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Passions on the WTO, or Who in Russia is unprofitable joining the World Trade Organization

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Perhaps, for the first time in the past few years, the speaker of the State Duma of the Russian Federation has quite harshly criticized the actions of the Government of Russia. Sergei Naryshkin allowed himself to speak out quite sharply about the fact that the Russian Government is too delaying in introducing the protocol on the accession of the Russian Federation to the WTO to the Duma. The decision that Russia could become the 155 member of the World Trade Organization was made at the international level even 16 December last year, but so far the deputies have not received any documents for ratification of the treaty on joining the WTO. And such a government delay in time today is due to several reasons. The first one is quite banal: a series of elections in Russia, a change of the President and the Cabinet of Ministers. But the second reason is the possible desire of certain forces from a slightly different angle to look at the possibility of joining the WTO.

Anyway, the other day, Prime Minister Medvedev really promptly reacted to Naryshkin’s concern and said that the Russian Government nevertheless approved documents that talk about joining the World Trade Organization in the second half of this summer. Now, as it has become fashionable to express itself recently, the ball rolled over to half of Sergei Naryshkin's field, and already the deputies should ratify the document received by them.

Immediately after the document appeared in the State Duma of Russia for carrying out the ratification procedure, the debate about whether the World Trade Organization is necessary for Russia with a new intensity flared up. On this occasion, between opponents, some of whom see advantages in joining the Russian Federation to the WTO, while others are only drawbacks, a wall of misunderstanding has arisen. Many of the deputies are already calling a possible decision on accession to the WTO for Russia anti-people and are ready to vote against. It is reported that, for example, the Duma faction of the “Fair Russia” party is going to vote against it, which has recently been trying to position itself as the most anti-government force of the sixth State Duma.

In order to understand why it is precisely the question of Russia's accession to the WTO that is causing the discussion, it is necessary to weigh the pros and cons of such accession.

So, our country is trying to join the World Trade Organization from the very beginning of the existence of the WTO as such (1995 of the year). Attempts to join the WTO ancestor - the organization of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade GATT), which came to light back in 1947, were also undertaken by the Soviet Union (from 1986). It turns out that if you take all history Attempts to join these organizations that have replaced one another, then this year’s attempts will be performed by 26 years already! This is the longest entry of any country into the designated trade union for all the years of its existence ...

And now, it would seem, Russia has achieved its goal - all obstacles for a full-fledged entry into the number of WTO member states are canceled, except for one barrier - an internal one, which, it seems, should not have appeared at all. However, it has now become clear that it is precisely the internal Russian contradictions that can once again put an end to our country's accession to the WTO.

To begin with, let’s analyze the position of those who oppose entry. These people include, as is very typical, Russian industrialists, holders of large blocks of shares of various companies: from agricultural to metallurgical. One of the points of view that can be called the word “against” is based on the fact that after entry into the WTO, Russian markets will suddenly be overwhelmed with low-quality foreign products that will be cheaper than Russian products, and therefore the state will artificially stimulate demand for products of foreign enterprises. Anxiety sounded and those who are engaged in the release of agricultural products. One of the ardent opponents of the theory and practice of Russia's accession to the WTO is the owner of the Rostselmash enterprise Konstantin Babkin and the president of the Meat Union of Russia Mushegh Mamikonyan. Both are sure that the reduction of import duties (in some cases, a reduction to 0%) on imported goods can play a cruel joke with Russian manufacturers. In their opinion, such a state of affairs can lead to a complete imbalance between the established relations between the raw material and processing industries in Russia. The same Rostselmash today supplies its harvesters to 27 countries of the world, and after joining the WTO, the plant management is confident that these markets will slam their doors before the Russian manufacturer. Words that can really scare the average Russian.

However, upon closer examination, it may well refuse that the above-listed comrades do not at all advocate for the interests of a Russian citizen, but rather try to protect their own interests. Indeed, if import duties for foreign goods are reduced, this may to some extent affect the Russian producer. However, it is not at all clear what is wrong with that. It could simply be that many Russian producers lived quite comfortably until the entry into the WTO, creating products on equipment whose wear reached 80-90%, which, as a result, increased the cost of these products by the same 80-90% (that is, almost doubled). And if the talk about joining the WTO would have remained a talk, it would only play into the hands of such manufacturers, because such a word as “modernization” of many industrialists cared little.

Well, judge for yourself who will abandon the equipment that was “inherited” from Soviet times, if, for lack of competition, this equipment gave a profit, even if it was the last thing. Naturally, the owners of enterprises that did not want to invest in the development and renewal of fixed assets are now sounding the alarm: they say they will not buy our goods, but will only buy low-quality Chinese or Turkish consumer goods. But then let us be honest with ourselves: what, if today, when Russia has not yet entered the World Trade Organization, access to foreign goods for the shelves of our stores is completely closed? .. Or Russian industrialists are sure that the same Russian meat industry today it amazes the buyer with its unsurpassed quality? .. Obviously, all these words that foreign goods will crush Russian-made goods are just a fiction, which is an excuse for those who are not used to open and uktivnoy work. It is completely incomprehensible what a domestic enterprise can fear, which produces truly high-quality products, and, moreover, realizing these products at a competitive price.

In the appendage to their arguments, opponents of Russia's accession to the WTO lead the Ukrainian version, when the share of imports in Ukraine has grown substantially in recent years, while foreign markets for Ukrainian producers have remained ghost markets. However, for some reason, none of the opponents of entry does not say that Ukraine entered the WTO without any reservations, that is, on the terms of the World Trade Organization itself. Ukraine was not granted the right to a seven-year transition period, during which it is quite possible to take a series of measures to adjust its production to generally accepted standards. More precisely, the Ukrainian authorities themselves did not say a word about any preferences when joining. Therefore, to compare Russia and Ukraine, to put it mildly, is not quite correct.
Opponents of entry lead to another argument, which acts like a bombshell on many: after joining the WTO, the Russian education and health care system will be commercialized. At the same time, many Russians are immediately confronted by certain financial tycoons who will buy up all the universities and hospitals and will teach and treat exclusively for money. However, such a view is nothing more than a common delusion. One of the bright counterexamples is China. Here, not only did no commercialization of education and health care take place, but, on the contrary, the rapidly developing business literally dragged numerous spheres of the national economy. After the entry of China into the WTO, there was a significant modernization of production, the annual growth of the economy amounted to 10 and more percent. For some reason, opponents of the entry of the Ukrainian version of the development lead, but on the Chinese version delicately silent.

But if we speak frankly, then do we have now education and health care are not subject to commercialization. Literally the other day, the website “Military Review” published materials on corruption in higher education institutions, where many teachers created a whole criminal scheme for extracting money from students. Yes, and free health care, which is no secret, remains so only on paper.

Opponents of the introduction are silent about what really bothers them. And this reason lies literally on the surface. One of the provisions for joining the World Trade Organization states that all subjects of international trade receive equal rights and all WTO members must publish transparent reports on their activities. But it is precisely equality and transparency that we most often limp. Corruption schemes often generate such trading Frankensteins, which are worse and more expensive, but they are no less actively sold on the domestic market, since there is sometimes no competition at all.

In this regard, the question of joining the WTO flows into the real plane of the fight against corruption, and this is a completely different situation. In this case, the same owners of large equity stakes in companies will increasingly talk about the anti-popular nature of the law, just not to lose “honest and unsustainable earnings,” which today, with artificially restraining competition, gets so easy.

In general, everything new, a priori, scares a person. But without renewal it is impossible to further develop the economy. If accession to the WTO is seen as a pure negative, then maybe, then, in general, to enclose a wall and go to subsistence farming - no risks ...

Materials used:
http://www.kommersant.ru/news/1953456
http://www.chinaruslaw.com/RU/InvestCN/005/200581123153_3009607.htm
http://www.km.ru/v-rossii/2012/06/04/promyshlennost-v-rossii/vstuplenie-rossii-v-vto-privedet-k-katastrofe
http://stop-vto.ru/
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  1. Aleksey67
    Aleksey67 8 June 2012 08: 22
    +18
    My heart feels that joining the WTO will finally bury the Russian economy and we will turn into a country that supplies the West with oil and gas with closed and collapsed enterprises. As always, at first, for decades, we stupidly break into a closed door, when we "break through" we understand that this door was for a "slaughter".
    1. Aventurinka
      Aventurinka 8 June 2012 08: 27
      +21
      So it seems to me that we need to deal with the CU and the Eurasian Union. And pull and from the WTO to yourself. And do not climb into the crowd, which is unstable on rotten boards above the cesspool.
      1. Redpartyzan
        Redpartyzan 8 June 2012 08: 46
        +11
        The issue of joining the WTO was analyzed by hundreds of experts from the Higher School of Economics and the Academy of National Economy named after Gaidar. We came to the conclusion that there are more positive moments. Although in our country the opinion is being cultivated that accession to the WTO will certainly ruin the economy. Indeed, imagine a Citigroup bank lending at 5% in Russia. That's really not to finish our banks. They have no choice but to lower the interest rate on loans. So for the people there is still benefit. And again, a training period is provided for joining the organization. For example, import duties on technologies will be canceled only after 5 years. There is time to prepare for our enterprises. In general, I agree with Alexei. If the products are competitive, then there is nothing to fear.
        1. Aleksey67
          Aleksey67 8 June 2012 08: 51
          +9
          Quote: Redpartyzan
          The issue of joining the WTO was analyzed by hundreds of experts from the Higher School of Economics and the Academy of National Economy named after Gaidara

          We could not go on further, all these experts are so "independent". For me, their WTO score is from the Listen and Do the opposite series. It is a pity that HSE was "tainted" with the name of a Juda. As for the banks, it's generally difficult, it seems to me that 2-3 domestic ones will remain, while others will be swallowed up by Western ones.
          1. Nikolay_33
            Nikolay_33 17 June 2012 11: 05
            0
            And it’s also very interesting: did these experts study the documents in which language? And where are the reports on this work? Why, in order to justify the benefits of joining the WTO, are we not given real reasoned reports, but verbiage and naive fables alone?
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 8 June 2012 09: 29
          +9
          Quote: Redpartyzan
          Higher School of Economics and the Academy of National Economy named after Gaidar.


          Already sick
          1. danilatrg
            danilatrg 8 June 2012 11: 21
            +1
            Let it puke, make it easier.
            1. wall
              wall 8 June 2012 14: 31
              +3
              It will become. But not for long. And therefore - not an option.
        3. Makk
          Makk 8 June 2012 09: 50
          0
          And now, foreign banks with which percentage of loans do we have?
          1. danilatrg
            danilatrg 8 June 2012 11: 21
            +3
            Foreign banks in Russia are prohibited from working. All quasi-foreign banks, ala Raiffeisen or City, are Russian banks connected only by their authorized capital with their big brothers abroad.

            This was done specifically to create our own financial system, but now we need to introduce competition.
          2. Vadivak
            Vadivak 8 June 2012 16: 14
            +3
            Quote: Makk
            And now, foreign banks with which percentage of loans do we have?


            Hamsters have a Czech "Home Credit" for bank employees about 30% per annum, there is no such lawlessness in any bank, in "Raiffeisen" yuriks can be given 9,5%, but with good (billions of dollars in turnover) so they have no fools
        4. Nikolay_33
          Nikolay_33 17 June 2012 11: 11
          0
          Before agreeing with the author, familiarize yourself with the consequences that are predicted for all industries in the Russian Federation: http://stop-vto.ru/2011/11/16/posledstviya-vstupleniya-rossii-v-vto-razvernuto/
    2. Dmitriy69
      Dmitriy69 8 June 2012 08: 47
      +11
      It may not even crash, because no one has yet canceled the Russian ingenuity.
      It is alarming that we do not establish the rules in this game, so the possibility of reverse must be left to ourselves.
      1. Darn
        Darn 8 June 2012 09: 50
        +3
        I recalled the phrase. If a Gentleman sees that he cannot win by the rules, then the Gentleman changes the rules. If we approach the WTO with Russian ingenuity, it is possible and the WTO will collapse. smile Like in the Teremok fairy tale.
        1. wall
          wall 8 June 2012 14: 33
          +1
          Holy you are simplicity! Such bison are sitting there. Besides, there is another saying: "You cannot fool a deceiver."
          1. Darn
            Darn 9 June 2012 11: 15
            0
            I agree with you. As they say. Do not eat porridge with the devil, he always has a spoon in length. But if you still drag him into the WTO, you must be prepared for this. And resist this.
    3. favn
      favn 8 June 2012 09: 10
      +14
      I think so. Since the Americans are glad to see us there, this is not a bath with rose petals, but a big bunch of Mr. I'm not an economist, but I wouldn’t get into it (((
      1. Tatanka Yotanka
        Tatanka Yotanka 8 June 2012 09: 46
        +3
        Quote: favn
        Since Americans are glad to see us there


        then I don’t understand 17 years, we can’t enter
        1. lotus04
          lotus04 8 June 2012 21: 06
          +2
          Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
          then I don’t understand 17 years, we can’t enter


          the more we break into the closed door, the further we fly. It has long been an impression that this door is specially propped up from that side, now they’ll leave and we will fly so far by inertia ....
          And then Georgia is in the WTO, but we are apparently poorer than it and therefore we are not allowed there. Something is not right here.
    4. ZAVET
      ZAVET 8 June 2012 09: 50
      +4
      It is alarming that the article is very muddy. There is no structural analysis comprehensible.
      All facts taken out of context and not indicative.
      Conclusion - ORDER. And base.
      1. Tomato
        Tomato 8 June 2012 16: 51
        +1
        Conclusion - ORDER.

        Right From the very beginning of reading this article, I did not leave the same thought.
      2. Nikolay_33
        Nikolay_33 17 June 2012 01: 04
        0
        I absolutely agree with you. The article is a completely base order. One dregs. Detailed materials on the WTO can be read at STOPVTO and WTO-inform
    5. Trofimov174
      Trofimov174 8 June 2012 10: 48
      +4
      Do not exaggerate so much, the WTO is like an antibiotic for the Russian economy - the disease will certainly be defeated, and illiterate use can do much harm, but the government understands this and therefore we will not enter here now, but smoothly for 7 years. Without the WTO, companies such as AvtoVAZ will continue to feed us mediocre products beyond the solid duty wall.
      1. danilatrg
        danilatrg 8 June 2012 11: 25
        +2
        I completely agree. It's time for Russia to learn to live in the real world. Otherwise it will be even worse. Well, all this has already passed :)
      2. wall
        wall 8 June 2012 14: 35
        +1
        As far as I remember, car duties will remain the same. In order to attract investors, they supposedly built cars instead of imported them.
        1. Trofimov174
          Trofimov174 8 June 2012 20: 03
          +1
          They cannot remain at the same level as this violates the charters of this organization on free trade. Fees will be reduced by 50% from today's level in 5 years and plan to completely remove after 7-10 years. So the domestic automaker still has time to start moving
          1. wall
            wall 8 June 2012 20: 42
            -2
            No! The domestic manufacturer has another 7-10 years to produce the maximum number of Buckets of Automotive Parts, and then we will again give them 20-30 billion rubles for a sharp (and as always through the ass .., because there is no time) upgrade.
      3. lotus04
        lotus04 8 June 2012 21: 09
        +1
        Quote: Trofimov174
        WTO as an antibiotic for the Russian economy


        You probably wanted to say poison.
    6. Goga
      Goga 8 June 2012 11: 01
      +2
      Aleksey67 - Aleksey, - quote - "My heart feels that joining the WTO will finally bury the Russian economy" - it's not just the heart or the mind, here it's time with the batted asshole to feel what kind of trouble we are getting into. angry
      Article - PAINT full "-"! Another vyser - to the "Gaidarites".
      WTO and the introduction of real estate tax - the death of all the remaining industry and agriculture!
      1. danilatrg
        danilatrg 8 June 2012 11: 27
        +2
        I remind you that the closed economy of the USSR led to the collapse of the empire and a significant decrease in the standard of living of citizens. Gaidar’s reforms, no matter how disgusting you, led to the fact that we have at least the remnants of the old industry. But the movement towards closeness will lead to the final destruction of industry and agriculture and the collapse of Russia already.
        1. Tomato
          Tomato 8 June 2012 16: 54
          +3
          I remind you that the closed economy of the USSR led to the collapse of the empire and a significant decrease in the standard of living of citizens.

          It is not a closed economy, but the people who lead this economy.
        2. Nikolay_33
          Nikolay_33 17 June 2012 01: 12
          0
          The closed economy allowed after the Second World War to raise the country from ruins in record time, which our opponents did not expect and create a great superpower. And the pro-Western leaders who had come to power led to the collapse and lower living standards. If Gaidar's reforms were crowned with complete success, then there would be no remnants of industry (read a closed economy). In general, over the past 26 years we (a country led by leaders) have been moving towards "openness." Everyone can see what they have achieved!
    7. Dimonanet
      Dimonanet 8 June 2012 11: 23
      +3
      It is necessary for domestic enterprises to create their own brand and produce products under the "National Russian Brand" or "Domestic Producer"! Launch powerful public service announcements to support this brand! Let it be 10 -20 rubles more expensive than imports, but I would still buy it to support my economy !!!! And of course the quality control of this brand must be high!
      1. Nikolay_33
        Nikolay_33 17 June 2012 10: 45
        0
        Unfortunately, the Chinese will quickly learn either to produce labels with similar inscriptions or to deliver products to the Russian Federation without labels, and here to sort and put TM using joint ventures (by the way, there are many examples of consumer goods with the inscription what has been done in the Russian Federation. But in fact, right away it’s clear who the real producer is. Therefore, it is better to preserve and develop your economy, rather than join the WTO.
    8. danilatrg
      danilatrg 8 June 2012 11: 23
      -2
      Chances are it will. But if we do not join, then "we will turn into a country supplying oil and gas to the West" will be 100%. Let me remind you of an example of the closed economy of the USSR, which led to the current situation of collapse. We really need investment and technology.
      1. Passing
        Passing 8 June 2012 14: 25
        +5
        Quote: danilatrg
        Let me remind you an example of a closed economy of the USSR

        Are you talking about that very economy, which from the ruins from the Second World War has risen to the level of a superpower? Are you talking about the very economy that first went into space?
        It does not matter which economy is open or closed, the main thing is the internal potential of the state. Now there is practically no potential, it is only enough for "a country supplying the West with oil and gas", if you knock out the last crutches in the form of import duties, then Russia will turn into a "country where the West pumps its own oil and gas"
        1. 755962
          755962 8 June 2012 16: 15
          +4
          Neither Ukraine nor Russia has anything to do in structures whose main goal is “not free trade” or “removing barriers”, but the transfer of resources from one country to another.
          In those that live beyond their means and have a tremendous national debt. Whose monetary system is now beginning to crumble, and the economy requires another portion of the doping infusion.
          The Customs Union, the restoration of the artificially destroyed United Economic System - this is our future.
          The Eurasian Union is the next stage.
          I'd like to hope that in 2012 the integration will take on an accelerated character and Ukraine will enter the Customs Union.
      2. Tomato
        Tomato 8 June 2012 16: 56
        +2
        danilatrg
        Let me remind you an example of the closed economy of the USSR, which led to the current situation of collapse.

        You are repeating yourself. Do you want to hypnotize us?
    9. Cadet787
      Cadet787 8 June 2012 23: 03
      +2
      Alexey67.
      I fully support you, you don’t need to go far for an example, look what happened in Lithuania and Latvia, how everyone was happy when cheap goods were thrown into these countries, which completely destroyed their economy, and these are jobs, pensions, allowances, etc. . The entire able-bodied population left in search of work all over the world, and in Latvia in 2011. a birth record was set, a total of 1000 babies were born. So it’s worth considering!
  2. volcano
    volcano 8 June 2012 08: 32
    +14
    On this occasion, I will quote the words of the adviser to US President Bush "Russia needs to be admitted to the WTO as soon as possible, so that it does not have time to understand that the West needs its entry into the WTO much more than it does."
    I think that says it all. WE are an absolutely self-sufficient country. And we can exist autonomously from the rest of the world.
    I am afraid that our entry into the WTO will be disastrous for many sectors of our economy.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 8 June 2012 09: 24
      +7
      Quote: n
      Prime Minister Medvedev really responded quickly to Naryshkin’s concern


      Are we children? Naryshkin worried, did he need it? He said that he was ordered a hedgehog
    2. danilatrg
      danilatrg 8 June 2012 11: 28
      -1
      Russia's accession to the WTO will tie the economies of our countries. Here as an example with China. The United States and China would be happy to fight, but their economies are two huge halves of a single whole, so the fight does not happen.
      1. Nikolay_33
        Nikolay_33 17 June 2012 10: 38
        0
        There are no disagreements with our leadership either. Only for real Russian hard workers would such an outcome end in unemployment and, possibly, extinction. After all, it is advisable for our partners in Russia to live 15 million people. not 150.
  3. Shuriken
    Shuriken 8 June 2012 08: 36
    +9
    In any organization where the West rules, Russia has no place! Everyone knows everything about the "good" intentions of the "partners"
  4. crossbow
    crossbow 8 June 2012 08: 47
    +5
    A classic article on duty, and therefore superficial and uninformative, and to be precise, completely uninformative.
  5. Igarr
    Igarr 8 June 2012 08: 49
    +9
    Russia has nothing to do in the WTO.
    And if so we are being dragged there - it would be nice to create a precedent for the future - who authorized, who carried out, who agreed. And clearly all this is recorded in the documents of the State Duma, the Federation Council.
    Well, make a claim - when and if necessary.

    The Union collapsed - and there is no one to ask.
    Now the last in Russia will be ruined - and again, no one is at work.

    It’s time to end this .... depersonalization.
    Putin has two terms of presidency - were not part of the WTO.
    Medvedev - one term - and zagozozili, and now they’re about to ratify right now.
    Who ... gave instructions - to work out the issue? Where are the results?
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 8 June 2012 09: 28
      +7
      Quote: Igarr
      Well, make a claim - when and if necessary.


      Present to whom? They are all who are in London, who will be in the USA ....
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 8 June 2012 09: 41
        +3
        Yes, Vadim ... here I gave ... swing.
        I would be there..type Litvinenko .... would sort it out.
        But ... like Gorbachev-Berezovsky ... weakly.
    2. Sinbad
      Sinbad 8 June 2012 09: 48
      +3
      Right! It is high time to introduce personal responsibility for the decisions made, both criminal and material. And then "some" the country "pissed off", and they are being chided in a fatherly way, they say, "they made a mistake, with whom does not happen."
      1. andrew.z
        andrew.z 8 June 2012 14: 42
        0
        They will cheat. And a medal for the anniversary - "Wear it for health!"
  6. Farvil
    Farvil 8 June 2012 08: 55
    +6
    For how many years negotiations have been held on joining the WTO and there has been no public information for the population. Our authorities are doing everything under the dictation of the West ignoring their national interests and there is no trust in it. The trouble is that mediocre people are at the top and in order to hide this, they surround themselves more directly, which is why the number of officials who drag us into the abyss is growing. There are literate people in our country and there are a lot of them, but their current power and cannon shot will not let themselves be ashamed. But illiteracy you can’t hide it, but for their activities, future generations will have to disentangle it.
    1. Nikolay_33
      Nikolay_33 17 June 2012 10: 32
      0
      There is some information on the topic http://wto-inform.ru/conditions/
  7. Nikaviz
    Nikaviz 8 June 2012 08: 56
    +6
    I’ll just say - they’ll finish Russia to the end .... (First, they didn’t protest, put in a debt hole ... and right away the next day ... all that was left ... TO PRIVATIZE, and ordinary citizens no longer have to there will be places in this area.
  8. Crumbumbes
    Crumbumbes 8 June 2012 09: 10
    +5
    I don’t know whether this is good or bad ... on the one hand, there will be competition in some areas of trade and services, and this will be a reduction in prices and an increase in quality, and on the other hand, who we refuse so well-earned money so simply , and this can lead to lower salaries and increased unemployment ...
    1. Goga
      Goga 8 June 2012 11: 17
      +4
      Krumbumbes - Colleague, "competition" is a carrot that is hung up in front of us like donkeys. What kind of competition can we talk about if, under the terms of which we are accepted into this shit, subsidies to agricultural producers from the EU and even from the United States are dozens of times higher than "the subsidies we are allowed to our farmers? Our factories are being modernized even without the WTO. After all, some people do not have such a financial opportunity, and what, to act as Gref said - will only those who are competitive will survive? Are there many of them now?
      1. Crumbumbes
        Crumbumbes 8 June 2012 12: 23
        0
        convinced ...
  9. Ridder
    Ridder 8 June 2012 09: 14
    +10
    WTO is NOT for RUSSIA, our fucking "edrosy".
    I advise everyone to read: http://akademiagp.ru/vto-rossiya-upravlyaemaya-katastrofa/
    1. Middle-brother
      Middle-brother 8 June 2012 09: 29
      +3
      Ridder
      I clicked on the link, I completely agree with the read, thanks for the info
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 8 June 2012 09: 50
        +6
        Yes, here is an excerpt from the link ..
        ".. The WTO rules provide a number of benefits for developing countries. Currently, developing countries - members of the WTO have (on average) a higher relative level of customs and tariff protection of their markets compared to developed ones. However, in absolute terms, the total size of customs -tariff sanctions in developed countries are much higher, as a result of which access to markets for high-performing products from developing countries is severely limited.

        I see, what are we talking about?
        Be you ... a developing country ... an eternal raw materials appendage. And in the high-tech market - you have nothing to do, it is very money.

        Forever ... sufferers - suffer ... Russia lives on raw materials, let's develop industry.
        Is it something to develop in the WTO? With such rules?

        Let the WTO asks ... to Russia.
        And not vice versa.
    2. andrew.z
      andrew.z 8 June 2012 15: 11
      0
      I read it thanks. It is intelligibly written and with numbers.
  10. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 8 June 2012 09: 19
    +7
    How many did not say at work, we come to the conclusion that we do not need the WTO. Even the comrades say it. The world economy is on the verge of a grandiose chucher. Many are mired in debt, the West will have another lever of pressure on Russia.
    1. Tomato
      Tomato 8 June 2012 17: 08
      +2
      Sasha, Russia's accession to the WTO is needed by the United States in order to save the dollar empire.
  11. Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 8 June 2012 09: 25
    +8
    We lived without this WTO. Let's enter, a fairy tale will begin in the country. I doubt it. "So, our country has been trying to join the World Trade Organization since the very beginning of the existence of the WTO as such (1995)." This is also alarming, because the initiatives of the government of those years cause sharp rejection and caution. If EBN wanted to join the WTO, then Russia definitely does not need to go there. My opinion
  12. tema2101
    tema2101 8 June 2012 09: 25
    0
    Yes, whatever happens in the economy, there is always a good side, there is a bad side. But my opinion is to move forward, and where are the Soviet slogans "Let's support domestic producers"
    1. Aleksey67
      Aleksey67 8 June 2012 09: 29
      +7
      Quote: tema2101
      where the Soviet slogans "Let's support the domestic producer"

      In the USSR there were no such slogans, however, as well as foreign manufacturers. This is a capitalist slogan, at one time it worked well for Amer’s auto production.
      Soviet slogans:
      "The economy must be economical"
      "Five-year plan in four years"
      "Everything for the good of man, everything in the name of man", etc., etc.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 8 June 2012 12: 15
        +4
        Alexey, the most central one forgot - "The people and the party are united" ???, feel
        1. Aleksey67
          Aleksey67 8 June 2012 12: 19
          +1
          Quote: Tersky
          the most central one forgot - "The people and the party are united",

          I didn’t want to list everything, but
          "Glory to the CPSU"
          "Our goal is communism" (in the Lenkomnat of the missile forces laughing )
  13. Zhizneslav
    Zhizneslav 8 June 2012 09: 29
    0
    "It is completely incomprehensible what a domestic enterprise can be afraid of, which produces truly high-quality products, and even sells these products at a competitive price."

    But the competitive price of what is it? If in our country the winter is six months and we invest not small resources for heating the premises, and all this is also in price, then how can we compete when, with equal quality, in China, the price will be a priori lower than ours. And this is only one of our most obvious flaws in front of the rest of the world. For that, there is a customs office that would equalize the chances of our manufacturers. The author either does not understand the topic or (or rather) a LIAR who deliberately misleads people. The article is a big minus.
  14. Zhizneslav
    Zhizneslav 8 June 2012 09: 30
    0
    It is completely incomprehensible what a domestic enterprise may be afraid of, which produces truly high-quality products, and even sells these products at a competitive price.

    But the competitive price of what is it? If in our country the winter is six months and we invest not small resources for heating the premises, and all this is also in price, then how can we compete when, with equal quality, in China, the price will be a priori lower than ours. And this is only one of our most obvious flaws in front of the rest of the world. For that, there is a customs office that would equalize the chances of our manufacturers. The author either does not understand the topic or (or rather) a LIAR who deliberately misleads people.
  15. Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 8 June 2012 09: 32
    +6
    I personally am more interested in the diametrically opposite question - who benefits from Russia's accession to the WTO?
    1. Alone
      Alone 8 June 2012 09: 52
      +4
      It is profitable for commodity exporters. But for the rest of the manufacturing sector of the economy, it is a complete "scribe." In addition, agricultural migrant workers are mostly illegal, the Chinese poor are somehow at least controlled by borders, and after joining, the borders will be open for foreign workers, i.e. for all.
      1. Tomato
        Tomato 8 June 2012 17: 11
        +1
        It is profitable for commodity exporters.

        To the count of Sechin!
  16. Commander
    Commander 8 June 2012 09: 33
    +3
    The WTO will only harm us: agriculture, industry, which barely breathe, will be covered !!! And the WTO is needed for the leadership of the country-for show!
    1. Nikolay_33
      Nikolay_33 17 June 2012 01: 31
      0
      I only wonder who will put this checkmark to the management and where? And who exactly? And how much will this check mark weigh in "barrels of jam and sacks of cookies"?
  17. understudy
    understudy 8 June 2012 09: 38
    +6
    Article - order. Accession to the WTO was "sponsored" and promoted by young theorists, those who were very aptly characterized by Khasbulatov - "Boys in pink panties." If everything is so chocolate, then why are “fat” bankers beyond all measure taken out of the negative consequences of “entry”? Personally, I don’t dare to call them “Russian bankers”.
  18. Zhizneslav
    Zhizneslav 8 June 2012 09: 42
    +7
    It is completely incomprehensible what a domestic enterprise may be afraid of, which produces truly high-quality products, and even sells these products at a competitive price.

    How can our price be competitive when we have winter for six months and we spend significant resources on heating, and this is not a small part of the cost of goods. This means it is obvious that with equal quality, the goods produced in the same China will be a priori cheaper than ours. And winter is not the only factor that negatively affects the competitiveness of our industry. The author either does not understand the topic at all or (which is more likely) LIES and misleads people, let him read Andrei Parshev "Why Russia is not America" ​​everything is very accessible there. The article is a big minus.
  19. Sinbad
    Sinbad 8 June 2012 09: 42
    +6
    An article designed for idiots. The duties will decrease, everything will become cheaper; just where did the unemployed get money Yes, modernization is needed, the equipment is outdated, the cost is high, and even the crowd of greedy bureaucrats. But after joining the WTO, only the latter will remain, all that remains will be pumped out of the country and torn into separate "principalities".
  20. Dust
    Dust 8 June 2012 09: 52
    +6
    WTO accession is not necessary for anyone in Russia, except for a handful of merchants, everyone else, ordinary people, small entrepreneurs and even large producers, joining the WTO is only harmful!
    Better a sickle in the balls - it will not be so painful ...
  21. Last paladin
    Last paladin 8 June 2012 09: 56
    +5
    WTO - garbage, but a hasty sale of state-owned companies .. and strategic concerns
    1. Nikolay_33
      Nikolay_33 17 June 2012 01: 40
      0
      The WTO is far from bullshit. To understand the essence of the issue, it would be nice to read it in more detail. It's just that in our country information on our accession to the WTO is carefully hidden from the majority of the population. But in fact, information can be found on the Internet, for example, the site http://stop-vto.ru/. It's just that our people are used to finding information and trusting the main TV channels. And on these channels there is not a word of the truth about the WTO. Usually there is not even a mention of the actions of managers, which then come back to haunt everyone. And even if some infa on the WTO flashes through, it is extremely positive and immediately "overwhelmed" with other "important" news in large quantities.
  22. Odessa
    Odessa 8 June 2012 10: 10
    +7
    If Russia joins the WTO, it is possible that it would be like a shoemaker without boots. The WTO's interests are above Russia's interests.
  23. sazhka0
    sazhka0 8 June 2012 10: 19
    +2
    Everything is not so simple .. That's when I buy at least Russian-made household appliances or a motorcycle or bicycle. Then I will believe any putinoid .. There is nothing and no one is going to produce .. We have oil. What can be the WTO?
  24. schta
    schta 8 June 2012 10: 29
    +6
    Who dragged us to the WTO? Yeltsin in 1995.
  25. runway
    runway 8 June 2012 10: 52
    -5
    In my opinion, the article is timely.
    Written correctly and intelligibly. Without unnecessary "water" are indicated the reasons why our oligarchs (and members of the government!) Are delaying Russia's entry into the WTO. The main thing is the WTO requirement for the TRANSPARENCY OF THE ECONOMY of the WTO member countries, which is very unprofitable for our oligarchs ....
    After all, just think that for 18 years our leaders, in words, trying to join the WTO, "mocked" our economy, but now it turns out that "it is not ready to join the WTO!"
    I believe that the stuffing of information in state media about the premature entry of Russia into the WTO is deliberate in the interests of our oligarchs. Indeed, for everyone else, in the presence of common sense, joining the WTO is the path to the development of their economy and the welfare of the whole people.
    1. Nikolay_33
      Nikolay_33 17 June 2012 01: 49
      0
      When your business closes, and you fly out of work, you won’t be able to find another (because all the goods are imported) and there’s nothing to buy food for. Then applaud such competent and intelligible articles. And the real information on the WTO is here: http: //stop-vto.ru/.
  26. Maxim86
    Maxim86 8 June 2012 10: 52
    +5
    I am not an economist, but a producer and, in my opinion, the entry of the Russian Federation into the WTO is the beginning of the end of the domestic barely living industry.
    As for the criticism of manufacturers regarding the reluctance to modernize production, I will answer the question: Does the author of this article represent what it means to update equipment, for example ?! After all, if the factory shows arrived, the tax office will immediately appear and ... that's it! How Mamai went.
    These circumstances force you to apply for a loan or lease to the bank.
    Those. our state does not actually support the manufacturer, but the country's banking system (read huckster).
    For example, to buy an AFL lease, they registered in GERMAN !!! bank, because it’s more profitable.
    At present, I have the impression that our government simply does not need mechanical engineering.
    1. sazhka0
      sazhka0 8 June 2012 12: 37
      0
      Mechanical engineering is the cornerstone of EVERYTHING. If we can’t make machines, we can’t do ANYTHING. We need a new industrialization of the whole country. But Stalin is not. And "these" two idiots seem to have more. But you can't build a lot on Chinese components. Well ... glory to the Great Pu.
    2. Tomato
      Tomato 8 June 2012 17: 17
      0
      Those. our state does not actually support the manufacturer, but the country's banking system

      Banks kill industry because they do not create a product.
      1. Nikolay_33
        Nikolay_33 17 June 2012 01: 52
        0
        "Our" banks are pure parasites that can suck all the juices out of the victims, even though this victim is sick, even if healthy.
  27. alebor
    alebor 8 June 2012 10: 54
    +7
    It is rather strange that the author of the article takes the Chinese economy as a positive example for Russia's entry into the WTO and contrasts it with Ukraine. How does the Russian economy resemble the Chinese? What, Russia, like China, has filled the whole world with its goods? Or vice versa, the basis of the Chinese economy is the export of hydrocarbons? If we talk about agriculture and non-mining industry, then we have much more similarities with Ukraine than with China.
  28. Dimonanet
    Dimonanet 8 June 2012 11: 16
    +1
    It is necessary for domestic enterprises to create their own brand and produce products under the "National Russian Brand" or "Domestic Producer"! Launch powerful public service announcements to support this brand! Let it be 10 -20 rubles more expensive than imports, but I would still buy it to support my economy !!!! And of course the quality control of this brand must be high!
  29. Prophet Alyosha
    Prophet Alyosha 8 June 2012 11: 20
    -1
    Such "opuses" from Volodin appear with enviable regularity. Well, what can I say ... You can't say better than Mr. Putin - "... either both d and o t, or a right-hander!" The Kremlin occupation anti-Russian regime does everything that is included in the plans of our EXTERNAL ENEMIES - destroys the army, Defense, industry, the village, kills the Russian Spirit-soul of the people, spreading Western "values" through the media they control, sell the remnants of state property to WESTERN and CHINESE "sponsors ", give the Russian land and seas to the enemies (China and Norway), created all the conditions in Russia for plundering and exporting national wealth abroad, invite invaders (NATO bases) to Russia, now they create a protectorate of China on the territory of the Russian Far East and Siberia, which gives them guarantees of personal inviolability. TO is just one more step in this direction, with the aim of securing the status of a raw material appendage for Russia. It must be understood that these are the actions of the enemies of Russia, and therefore our ENEMIES.
    1. Volodin
      8 June 2012 13: 40
      +1
      And on the left, must be the hands of the author of the article, Volodin? Yes? Prophet Alyosha, well, don't overdo it already. If enemies seem to be around, that is, there is a good domestic therapy ... And, by the way, drop the link to "similar opuses" which "with enviable regularity"
      1. Tomato
        Tomato 8 June 2012 17: 22
        -1

        Volodin

        Yes, do not be fooled by you. But the article is superficial and not convincing.
        Wait and see who will be right.
  30. understudy
    understudy 8 June 2012 11: 28
    +3
    Quote: Maksim86
    stuffing information in state media about the premature entry of Russia into the WTO, is deliberately in the interests of our oligarchs

    Exceptional naivety. For the interests of the oligarchs have long been outside Russia. Only medium-sized and small businesses "support" domestic consumers, which are cut off from oxygen by both the state authorities and big capital. And especially the banks with their exorbitant appetites for loans.
  31. danilatrg
    danilatrg 8 June 2012 11: 32
    0
    The article is quite reasonable. It does not contain analytics and numbers, but it performs its task. There are a lot of comments that joining the WTO is very bad. It is very sad to see these comments. I advise you to sit down again and analyze the situation.
    1. Nikolay_33
      Nikolay_33 17 June 2012 09: 30
      0
      The article is completely superficial. In general, there is nothing real and convincing in it. The only thing there is: an attempt to fulfill the order is to show that the entry of the Russian Federation into the WTO is good. But neither analytics, nor figures, nor sound arguments for this are present in it. Just flimsy verbiage. There is a fulfillment of the order, and poor quality.
  32. Grin
    Grin 8 June 2012 11: 49
    +4
    And now, having read the article to half, I immediately realized that the author was Volodin Alexey.
    You can certainly say that the author is already guessed by the manner or style of writing, but I have a different position.
    Reading his articles, for the most part, balanced, interesting and topical, I suspect that this is a springboard for such bespoke essays justifying joining the WTO. They say that authority has been earned, on previous articles and on it now I will lay out this for you.
    (Subjectively my opinion)

    Naturally, owners of enterprises that did not want to invest in the development and renovation of fixed assets are now sounding the alarm: they say our products will not be bought, but only poor-quality Chinese or Turkish consumer goods will be bought.


    And let's get them to the end !!! They got old equipment, and in the conditions of our economy, should they immediately switch to modern equipment, become competitive? They survive, as they can, give work, modernize slowly, and the WTO will kill entire industries in the bud, ruin what needs to be modernized, subsidized and brought to the modern level. If the Russian market fails, some cheap products are imported, then no one will try to establish their production, this is not profitable. And so the country of traders, what will happen next?
    1. Tomato
      Tomato 8 June 2012 17: 28
      -1
      They got old equipment, and in the conditions of our economy, should they immediately switch to modern equipment, become competitive?

      In addition, all the money spent on the acquisition of this old equipment (do not confuse with the privatization of the 90s). In order to modernize, you need to take a loan from the bank crafters, high interest rates. And the payback period is not one year.
  33. anchonsha
    anchonsha 8 June 2012 11: 56
    -1
    People, be sane ... All countries are almost in the WTO, with the exception of the post-Soviet space. Look at the Asians moving forward in recent years, and we have remained with our broken trough. We need new technologies, we need commercial competition, we need new markets, and our industrialists, as in the pre-Petrine Russia boyars, who own large plants and factories, do not want this competition and change the old technologies - this is unprofitable for them.
    1. Dust
      Dust 8 June 2012 12: 18
      +3
      Only membership in the WTO has nothing to do with this, but otherwise everything is true ...
  34. understudy
    understudy 8 June 2012 12: 57
    +2
    Someone who relies on Onishchenko ... In this connection, I would like to note that a trained dog obeys only its owner. And the team has already sounded ...
    "Rospotrebnadzor suggested using genetically modified organisms in the production of agricultural crops.
    Proposals for the use of GMOs that are currently prohibited are contained in reference materials sent by the department from the State Duma to parliamentary hearings on the use of genetically modified products.
    “In order to ensure the protection of public health, food and environmental safety, it is necessary (...) the creation by Russian scientists of GMO lines adapted for cultivation in Russia, as well as the introduction of GMOs in the agro-industrial sector of Russia,” the newspaper Gazeta.Ru quotes.
    During the parliamentary hearings, the head of the Rospotrebnadzor department, Gennady Ivanov, announced that an negligible amount of products on the Russian market were created on the basis of genetic technologies. “These are all imported products. And I would like this niche to be filled with products, biotechnology of Russian production, "he said." (C)
    Quote: anchonsha
    Look at the Asians moving forward in recent years, and we have remained with our broken trough. We need new technologies, we need commercial competition, we need new markets, and our industrialists, as in the pre-Petrine Russia boyars, who own large plants and factories, do not want this competition and change old technologies - this is unprofitable for them

    Health-conscious people who have SUCH natural resources like ours should rely only on themselves and on the fact that brains will appear in power. The good uncle from behind the hill has his own interests in Russia deeply ... It is well understood by the sane.

    Quote: anchonsha
    our industrialists, as in pre-Petrine Russia, the boyars, who own large plants and factories, do not want this competition and change old technologies

    How do you think your brains ...
    Development money can only be obtained at the bank, and they tear three skins. Figuratively speaking, bankers borrow from the state at 5 percent, and lend at 50 per annum. What the hell is modernization if the state itself slows it down ???
    1. Nikolay_33
      Nikolay_33 17 June 2012 09: 44
      0
      By the way, Volodin in his article forgot to indicate the health benefits of Russians of GMOs, which we will no longer have the right to refuse.
  35. Karmin
    Karmin 8 June 2012 13: 02
    -1
    There is a joke: in a crazy house, patients jump from a tower into an empty pool and fight to the bottom, the hospital management asks: ,, Why don’t they pour water ?, ,, Here they will learn how to dive, pour water and pour it !, ”the management replies. in the WTO resembles the position of the leadership, “fools”, so that from the beginning they learn how to dive, but without water you won’t learn how to dive, but just break it. This resembles the situation with our economy, until it falls into competitive conditions, and will remain as flawed as it is now. All talk of the death of Russian industry and the village humiliate Russia, hinting at the inability of Russians and other peoples of Russia to work in a competitive environment, like all sane countries!
    1. Nikolay_33
      Nikolay_33 17 June 2012 09: 48
      0
      “All talk about the death of Russian industry and the countryside humiliates Russia,” this is purely an attempt at manipulation. You are either not interested in the question at all, or you are deliberately lying.
  36. andrey777
    andrey777 8 June 2012 13: 14
    -3
    If Russia joins the WTO, then this will be a precedent, for it already is in the customs union, which means it will be able to drag many countries from the WTO to the CU.
    1. Nikolay_33
      Nikolay_33 17 June 2012 09: 52
      0
      How will Russia pull many countries out of the WTO if it enters there herself? I do not see the logic in your words. The lack of logic is of course a precedent ...
  37. Averias
    Averias 8 June 2012 13: 24
    0
    To join the WTO or not, the question is complex. There are pros and cons. The question is different - but will this entry into the WTO be overgrown with our Russian flavor. And then it will turn out as in a saying - They wanted the best, but it turned out as always and even worse.
  38. bazilio
    bazilio 8 June 2012 13: 27
    -1
    You need to join the WTO, from this you can get more preferences. The competitive environment will clean up markets within the Russian Federation from non-viable producers. In addition, if a transitional period is given, then it will be possible to prepare. There will be many problems, but a lazy bumbler who is sitting on the side of the road will master the road
    1. Passing
      Passing 8 June 2012 14: 39
      +1
      Quote: bazilio
      The competitive environment will clean up markets within the Russian Federation from non-viable producers.

      This means that the lion's share of enterprises will close, workers will be thrown out into the streets, salaries will fall everywhere as a result of the overcrowding of the labor market, GDP will fall, the dollar will jump, communal services will rise in price, in short, it will be shock therapy on the principle “a bolivar cannot bear two” and “only the strongest will survive ".
      1. Tomato
        Tomato 8 June 2012 17: 34
        0
        and "only the strongest will survive."

        The law of the wild jungle!
      2. bazilio
        bazilio 13 June 2012 18: 13
        0
        And who says that you need to immediately chop off the shoulder? In addition, the state has many mechanisms to support domestic producers. In your opinion, it turns out that it is better that existing enterprises stamp low-quality, but what about their goods? it at least smells like stagnation or even regression. the presence of competition in the market will contribute to the development of the mathematical base of manufacturers if they wish to compete. If there is no competition with imports, then what will push the manufacturer to modernize and improve quality and service?
        1. Nikolay_33
          Nikolay_33 17 June 2012 10: 10
          0
          After accession, the state will not have "many support mechanisms". So isn't it better to support without joining. And now the state has much more opportunities to promote development than it will have in the WTO. The WTO does not set goals to develop our industry, but quite the opposite. By the way, in China they just stamped their low-quality goods, which they filled first with Russia, and then half the world. And when there were fewer competitors, and the money from the sale of their goods went, then the opportunity to modernize production appeared. Moreover, the task of producing promising technologies is solved not only by individual entrepreneurs, but also at the state level. If China were flooded with imported goods when its production was weak, then there would be no development. Competition would kill the remnants of the industry. We have just such a situation now.
    2. Nikolay_33
      Nikolay_33 17 June 2012 09: 57
      0
      It is not clear where and why one can go only or not. If they lead along the road to the slaughterhouse, then not everyone agrees to such a road. And who and why do you call "a whining bummer sitting by the side of the road"?
  39. sol
    sol 8 June 2012 13: 45
    +5
    Kyrgyzstan has long been in the WTO and something is not visible in their rapid economic growth, half of the population now earns by reselling goods from abroad, mainly Chinese. And the second half are guest workers in Kazakhstan and Russia.
  40. Zerkalo
    Zerkalo 8 June 2012 13: 55
    +3
    Look, how much should kg of potatoes cost (roughly) so that our producer (farmer or collective farmer) does not go about the world? What is the climate in our country? Is it as warm as in Europe? Therefore, other things being equal, our products will ALWAYS be more expensive. There is no escape from this. And therefore, the WTO for us will be like cancer, which cannot be cured, but you can try to extend life for a couple of years, through drugs.
    I don’t know what they thought at HSE, and most importantly HOW ... Then I’m scared for the future of our economy.
  41. Danloff
    Danloff 8 June 2012 14: 16
    +1
    Russia in the WTO is clearly not profitable ...
  42. reading
    reading 8 June 2012 14: 30
    +3
    I don’t understand, you can argue until you turn blue. But I have only one question. What is the argument about? Does anyone know what is contained in the protocol on accession to the WTO? No? I honestly tried to find documents, reports, protocols on government websites and found http://www.economy.gov.ru/minec/activity/sections/foreignEconomicActivity/wto/in

    dexdocs, but the catch is that I don't know English, and on the Internet there are only unofficial translations, as well as on the website of the Ministry of Economic Development "Unofficial translation, the text in English is authentic" (de facto there is a high chance of inaccuracies and outright lies). And now the question is how many experts, analysts, advisers, journalists, deputies of the state. thoughts, etc. know English and can fully judge this document? Here is the answer to where we are being pulled.
  43. Volkhov
    Volkhov 8 June 2012 15: 00
    +3
    Do not worry, all WTO costs will be covered by fines under the law on rallies.
    In addition, burrowing into the economy, you can not pay attention to the transfer of the Kuril Islands to the Japanese and other interesting news.
  44. 11Goor11
    11Goor11 8 June 2012 15: 18
    0
    "WTO is a dummy. WTO is a dangerous dummy" Leontyev.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCTGB5RXIoU&feature=watch_response

    "Why" do we need this WTO "Putin
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LXK0fVkjFk

    Take fifteen minutes, at once get an answer to many questions.
    The Russian government does not want to join the WTO. But to declare your fairy to the whole world is also not beautiful. In my opinion, they simply pull and postpone the entry until the WTO itself is covered with a copper basin.
    1. Tomato
      Tomato 8 June 2012 17: 38
      -1
      they simply pull and postpone the entry until the WTO itself is covered with a copper basin.

      Here it is covered (WTO) will be sooo long.
  45. igobor0
    igobor0 8 June 2012 16: 01
    0
    At Hydepark, this article is also vividly discussed http://gidepark.ru/community/1578/content/1371976#comment_14963140
  46. Tomato
    Tomato 8 June 2012 16: 42
    0
    One vivid counterexample is China.

    Do not confuse horseradish with radish.
    Russia is regarded by the world economy as a commodity country, China as a country with cheap labor resources. The whole European and American industry was exported to China.
    After Russia joins the WTO, the resource-mining industry will develop. Well and accordingly supported by the% of the population necessary for its maintenance.
  47. black cat
    black cat 8 June 2012 17: 32
    -1
    Quote: Tomat
    Russia is regarded by the world economy as a commodity country, China as a country with cheap labor resources. The whole European and American industry was exported to China.
    After Russia joins the WTO, the resource-mining industry will develop. Well and accordingly supported by the% of the population necessary for its maintenance.

    Russia is considered by the world as we manage it. And the Kremlin does not manage it well.
    Putin rules Russia with a firm hand and does not tolerate disagreement. And most importantly, he controls the media.
    Putin promised to build a vertical of power. But the GDP never really built the vertical. He simply achieved the loyalty of regional "barons" to himself, while allowing them to manage their areas as they want. National republics, as a relic of the Soviet system, persist and are still in a privileged position. The leaders of these republics consider their nation as the titular one, and the Russian people are belittled.

    Putin has not solved the problem of corruption. Corruption permeated the entire state system of the Russian Federation, and gangs dominate in the field. It is no coincidence that Russia is called a criminal state.

    Putin failed to restore the country's economy and industry. He only achieved GDP growth, but this growth is carried out not due to the development of the real sector of the economy, but due to the development of the raw materials industry. The Russian economy is still on the "oil needle".

    The "national leader" did not solve the housing problem either. Affordable housing for the vast majority of Russian citizens is still an unattainable dream. The mortgage market is underdeveloped and works extremely poorly. The demographic problem has not been solved by Putin either.

    Putin did not succeed in foreign policy. In the post-Soviet space, he allowed orange coups in Ukraine, Georgia and Kyrgyzstan. A number of islands were given to China in the border area. The international authority of Russia is still extremely low.
    Even Putin could not restore order in the Caucasus. Wahhabi gangs are still active in Chechnya and Dagestan. who commit acts of terrorism in the territory of the Russian Federation.

    Reforms needed. If there will be a fair trial, fair elections and reasonable financial policy and we won’t rattle about arms, and as China will develop its scientific centers and industry, there will be teachers and scientists from leading world centers in our universities, then there will be no difference to the Russian economy or not to be a member of the WTO.
  48. Oleg0705
    Oleg0705 8 June 2012 17: 33
    +1
    N. Starikov on joining the WTO


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhbWeRfSziI
  49. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 8 June 2012 21: 31
    +1
    A document is being discussed that most have not seen. Under this Government, a protocol needs to be put up for general discussion and a look at the reaction. I want to read the protocol in full translation into Russian. If anyone can discard a piece of paper in a personal message or at least a link. The corruption in trade is the last thing they remember.
    1. Nikolay_33
      Nikolay_33 17 June 2012 10: 21
      0
      There is partially information http://wto-inform.ru/conditions/, as well as http://stop-vto.ru/
  50. razved
    razved 8 June 2012 21: 54
    0
    Disputes over whether it was necessary to enter or not, to whom it is beneficial, and to whom it will not be beneficial, will still be very much. You won’t get it right away, especially to us amateurs (if you offended anyone, sorry). But, for example, China joined the WTO, only having a powerful economy, and he himself began to dictate the conditions of the game.