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Opinions of the first viewers about the film "T-34"

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A big movie premiere is timed to coincide with the New Year holidays - the new Russian film “T-34”, created based on the real events of the Great Patriotic War, writes the publication Vesti.ru.


Opinions of the first viewers about the film "T-34"


Director of the film Alexei Sidorov, known to viewers for such works as “Fight with the Shadow”, “The Brigade”, etc.

According to the director, the Soviet film “The Lark” became the initial impulse. “I was crying terribly when all of our people died, and I recently realized that this was some kind of compensation. That is, I, being already a director, decided to present a more joyful version, ”he said.

The main character of the film implements his plan of escape from fascist captivity: he collects the crew and tank The T-34 challenges the German tank aces led by commander Jager.

On the eve of his picture saw the first viewers in Moscow. Sayings of some viewers leads resource Megacritic.

User Yakovlev: "If you want to evaluate the scenario, then in modern Russian it is better not to evaluate it, so as not to be upset." According to him, the “stupid” Germans, having put the Russian crew in a tank, provided for ammunition and fuel, “not expecting” that tankers could cause them trouble. And, of course, no protective measures are not provided. And in pursuit of the escaped tank instead of a pair of attack aircraft sent other tanks.

Not bothered to stamp such nonsense, such as this “pseudo-realistic fantasy based on national pride?”, Asks the viewer.

Timur: “As usual, they licked and made a fairy tale. Watch "Lark" - this is a movie! ".

Stepan: "The film" T-34 "is based on real events - escape from the concentration camp of our prisoners of war. But this is only a remake of the Soviet black and white film. "

Another user, Natka, noted that the studio "Amedia" is known to the public as the creator of the only product - the cartoon "Our Masha and the Magic nut", which "did not kick only the lazy." And now the studios have given out $ 9 million. “And you know what, so that they should re-shoot the good film“ The Lark ”from 1964 of the year,” writes Natka. In her opinion, modern directors are not able to create anything of their own - just to write off from the original, like the losers in the control.
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  1. adma
    adma 23 December 2018 12: 30
    +65
    The fashion for the tank theme was born, in my opinion, by WOT. Therefore, the films were shot for gamers and do not care about the historical accuracy! So we get some kind of fantasy nonsense in the form of "White Tigers", "Indestructible", "Tanks", etc.
    SAD ....
    1. Ⅴ - vendetta
      Ⅴ - vendetta 23 December 2018 12: 34
      +66
      They mastered the lave. On real events, but in free reading. I won’t be surprised if in about twenty years, if I live, in films about the Great Patriotic Negroes in Soviet form will appear. According to the Hollywood example.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 23 December 2018 12: 39
        +89
        There were Frontline Actors, there were films .. "They Fought for the Motherland", "The Dawns Here Are Quiet", the same "Skylark" ... And now they are filming a fake like "Stalingrad" .. It's a shame, of course ..
        1. Ⅴ - vendetta
          Ⅴ - vendetta 23 December 2018 12: 44
          +64
          Quote: 210ox
          There were Frontline Actors

          Unfortunately, they are not eternal. And films about the Second World War need to be shot, but the approach is more competent. The film "They Fought for the Motherland" is quite spectacular even by modern standards. Let them watch and learn, Losers.
          1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
            Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 23 December 2018 12: 47
            +68
            I went to the film "Invincible", after seeing the trailer, which made a good impression, thoughts crept in, and suddenly they learned to make good films about war and people. Well, the topic of the Second World War is interesting. Most of the film takes place in the forest where the tank unit is located. Well, everything is in order here, but how is it presented. It is 1942 in the yard, and in the forest, tankers are driving a gramophone to the fullest, drinking moonshine, hitting each other's muzzles and sorting out the relationship because of the suddenly appeared female. German panzers - so they prefer to throw themselves in a dense heap under fire, moreover - to stray into this very heap, stand and rotate their towers - fortunately, they rotate. By the way - Pz IV Ausf.H, which are played in the film by converted T-44s, appeared on the Soviet-German front a year later. The KV-1 tank has a 76 mm gun that effortlessly penetrates the armor of early German tanks such as the PzKpfw III and the Czechoslovakian Pz.Kpfw. 35 (t) which, in turn, could not successfully penetrate the KV-1. But the creators of "SHEDEVRA" decided to show the Pz IV (which was not in that battle, but the tanks mentioned above) with a long-barreled 75 mm cannon, which just playfully punched the KV-1 into the frontal projection. A modification of the Soviet T-34-85 (with a long-barreled 85mm cannon and an enlarged turret) entered the army in February-March 1944. A woman sleeping in a tank during a march and a radio operator pouring into a cartridge case are the scriptwriter's fresh and unfailing finds. The feeling that the person who made this film knows little about the army, or about the war and history.
            As for the film "T-34" I'll go and see, maybe they shot it better.
            1. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 23 December 2018 12: 56
              +55
              In the age of the internet, a lot can be learned. There are many memories, documents, memoirs, etc. But for some reason all these "creative people" prefer to show what is in their own soul (if they have one) - dirt, shamelessness, inferiority complexes and an animal desire to dominate. I agree with Vendetta, "we have mastered the lave." Their craft will be forgotten in a couple of years, and "The Dawns Here Are Quiet", "Skylark", "They Fought for the Motherland" will be remembered and watched as long as modern Russian civilization is alive.
              1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
                Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 23 December 2018 13: 01
                +50
                Russian actress Olga Pogodina, who starred in the leading role in the war film "Indestructible", said that all the girls in the war were considered prostitutes, spitting on the memory of nurses, snipers, scouts, girls from the air defense calculations, who worked at cartridge factories, etc. These are the "creative people".
                1. EwgenyZ
                  EwgenyZ 23 December 2018 18: 20
                  +14
                  Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
                  she said that all the girls in the war were considered prostitutes.

                  I wanted to go to "Invincible" with my child, but in some video from this film I saw naked swimming women and began to doubt, now it is fashionable to shove poverty and fucking everywhere, wherever it gets, (they say - "everything was at the front", "this is life " etc.). I decided, first, to see for myself, and now I myself think - do I need this? We'd better see "The crew of a combat vehicle" ...
                  1. Freeman
                    Freeman 23 December 2018 18: 46
                    +6
                    EwgenyZ (Eugene) Today, 18:20
                    I wanted to go to "Invincible" with my child, but in some video from this film I saw naked swimming women and doubted, now it's fashionable to shove poverty and fucking everywhere

                    Attack!
                    Soviet filmmakers, unlike the "censors", did not suffer from bigotry.
                    Here's a "classic" - "The Dawns Here Are Quiet" 1972
                    1. EwgenyZ
                      EwgenyZ 23 December 2018 18: 57
                      +13
                      Quote: Freeman
                      EwgenyZ (Eugene) Today, 18:20
                      I wanted to go to "Invincible" with my child, but in some video from this film I saw naked swimming women and doubted, now it's fashionable to shove poverty and fucking everywhere

                      Attack!
                      Soviet filmmakers, unlike the "censors", did not suffer from bigotry.
                      Here's a "classic" - "The Dawns Here Are Quiet" 1972

                      Do you think I haven't watched this movie? By the way, I haven't watched a modern copy of this movie, there is no desire. Naked in the bath is one thing, but sexual intercourse on the screen is "somewhat" another. And now without this filth and "cinema is not a movie"; I can't even imagine how they did without it before !?
                      1. Freeman
                        Freeman 23 December 2018 20: 46
                        +4
                        EwgenyZ (Eugene) Today, 18:57
                        Naked in the bath is one thing, but sexual intercourse on the screen is "somewhat" another. And now without this filth and "cinema is not a movie"; I can't even imagine how they did without it before !?


                        Free is our constitution
                        Hail the sexual revolution

                        (c) Sexual revolution (Army of Lovers)


                        Every time - their songs Movies
                        I still remember the times when at the demonstration of the film "Angelica of the Marquis of Angels", the whole audience held their breath on this stage. repeat
                      2. New Year day
                        New Year day 23 December 2018 20: 59
                        +6
                        Quote: Freeman
                        the whole hall held its breath on such a scene.

                        and what? For the sake of this and went. To peasants, such, to women, love
                  2. shark507
                    shark507 23 December 2018 20: 06
                    -10
                    "The crew of a combat vehicle" is a very bad example. Against the background of this "masterpiece" all the current shit films look very good.
                  3. Romanenko
                    Romanenko 9 January 2019 13: 43
                    0
                    As for "Indestructible", it's just plain shit and crap.
                    I don’t think the T-34 is much better.
                    After all, people who do not understand anything in the subject and history make films
              2. aba
                aba 23 December 2018 18: 27
                +16
                Their craft will be forgotten in a couple of years, and "The Dawns Here Are Quiet", "Skylark", "They Fought for the Motherland" will be remembered and watched as long as modern Russian civilization is alive.
                You are overly optimistic, people will watch what they show. And the trends are such that Soviet films will soon cease to show at all. It is for this that they adopt old films.
                1. not main
                  not main 23 December 2018 22: 41
                  +5
                  Quote: aba
                  And the trends are such that Soviet films will soon cease to show at all. It is for this that they adopt old films.

                  This is what makes you sad! Not even that young people (children) will not see masterpieces about the war, but that they will see these "remakes"! In which all the tinsel and effects, and of course "bed frames"!
              3. victor50
                victor50 24 December 2018 12: 00
                +6
                Quote: AKuzenka
                But for some reason all these "creative people" prefer to show what is in their own soul (if they have it) - dirt, shamelessness, inferiority complexes and an animal desire to dominate.

                In the early 80s, many very good films about the war were shot (I will name only one outright - "Detachment") by directors who did not fight. There was a continuity of souls or something, the same talent and the same feelings that allowed Vysotsky to compose songs in such a way that the front-line soldiers considered him past the war. Our "creative" ones have lost something over the period that has passed since then. Or they carry out new ideological guidelines. You watch new films and only one feeling arises: "I don't believe!" "Only old men go to battle" - I believe, although, perhaps, this was not in detail, but new - no. I don’t believe the actors who play soldiers in their tunics unbuttoned to the navel, addressing the commander as “you,” who are drunk and drunk openly. There is no Russian in them
            2. snake
              snake 23 December 2018 13: 18
              +26
              Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
              thoughts crept in, and suddenly learned to make good films about war and people.

              Give up hope to everyone watching Russian cinema. As long as Medinsky and the Cinema Foundation will not have a conscience, good, honest films about the war, and not only that, we won’t wait. Thank God there are Soviet masterpieces that can cure the soul after modern Bondarchuk and Mikhalkov spit there.
              1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
                Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 23 December 2018 13: 39
                +10
                Recently I went to the "Mosfilm", there in the courtyard under a canopy stands a running copy of the Tiger I with a checkerboard suspension.

              2. MstislavHrabr
                MstislavHrabr 23 December 2018 15: 05
                0
                Medinsky, Bondarchuk and Mikhalkov are far from the worst people in "culture." There is much worse and more "liberal" ... Don't you want to replace these characters with them ...
                1. snake
                  snake 23 December 2018 15: 16
                  +2
                  Quote: MstislavHrabr
                  There is much worse and more "liberal" ...

                  For example?
                2. Freeman
                  Freeman 23 December 2018 20: 03
                  +2
                  Quote: MstislavHrabr
                  Medinsky, Bondarchuk and Mikhalkov are far from the worst people in "culture." There is much worse and more "liberal" ... Don't you want to replace these characters with them ...

                  Well yes
                  - "In the absence of a stamp, they write in a simple" (c)
                  “At the moment, Comrade Polikarpov, we cannot provide you with other writers.” / I.V. Stalin /
                  And the answer begs itself
                  - Maybe something in the conservatory to fix? / Zhvanetsky /
              3. denart50
                denart50 23 December 2018 18: 46
                +10
                Quote: serpent
                modern Bondarchuki spit there


                Mdaaaa ... The apple from the apple tree was sooooo far rolled ... Between the films of the father and the son there is an abyss ... the distance, the length of many human lives ...
            3. rfv18
              rfv18 23 December 2018 14: 04
              -9
              Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
              The KV-1 tank has a 76 mm cannon which effortlessly pierced the armor of early German tanks such as the PzKpfw III and Czechoslovak Pz.Kpfw. 35 (t)

              Pz.III and Pz.Kpfw. 38 (t) only earlier episodes.
              Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
              which, in turn, could also not successfully penetrate the KV-1

              Pz.III latest episodes could.
              1. Fitter65
                Fitter65 23 December 2018 15: 07
                +17
                Quote: rfv18

                Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
                The KV-1 tank has a 76 mm cannon which effortlessly pierced the armor of early German tanks such as the PzKpfw III and Czechoslovak Pz.Kpfw. 35 (t)

                Pz.III and Pz.Kpfw. 38 (t) only earlier episodes.

                And what are the late modifications of Pz.Kpfw. 38 (t) KV-1 were beyond the power? About Pz-III what is it early, what is it late? Modification of Pz.III - J in serial production from March 1941 to July 1942. The frontal armor plate of the hull was brought to 50 mm. Coming further, from December 1941, the tanks began to install a 50 mm KwK 39 cannon with a barrel length of 60 calibers with greater armor penetration. Such guns received 950 (951) Ausf.J. However, in the near future, all newly produced tanks with a KwK 39 cannon became known as the Pz.III Ausf.L. The replacement of the gun is a necessity after the battles on the Eastern Front. It turned out that Pz.III, which was intended to fight enemy tanks, could break through the armor of the Soviet heavy tank KV with only 200 m (T-34 and KV hit the “troika” from 500-1500 m). The new gun made it possible to even at least partially equalize the chances and increase the range of effective fire combat with Soviet tanks to 500 m.
                And what did he have to fight with the KV-1Pz.Kpfw. 38 (t)? Armor? Armament? Well, I agree with the speed, but not on our roads. I think that thanks to the same specialist consultants such films appear ...
                1. rfv18
                  rfv18 23 December 2018 15: 31
                  -14
                  Quote: Fitter65
                  And what are the late modifications of Pz.Kpfw. 38 (t) KV-1 were beyond the power?

                  EG.
                  Quote: Fitter65
                  About Pz-III what is it early, what is it late?

                  Late, talking about the start of the war, H and J.
                  Quote: Fitter65
                  The frontal armor plate of the hull was brought to 50 mm

                  50 mm cemented armor. On Soviet tanks, the armor was Cementless.
                  Quote: Fitter65
                  Since December 1941, the tanks began to install a 50 mm KwK 39 cannon with a barrel length of 60 calibers

                  Model H (produced from October 1940) has already received 50 mm KwK38 L42.
                  Model J (produced since March 1941) was armed with the same gun.
                  Quote: Fitter65
                  It turned out that Pz.III, intended according to the plan for the fight against enemy tanks

                  Pz.III was NEVER intended to fight enemy tanks. These were success development tanks. They were allowed into a breakthrough. Or bypass. There, where there is no enemy defense.
                  Quote: Fitter65
                  could penetrate the armor of the Soviet heavy tank KV with only 200 m (T-34 and KV hit the "troika" from 500-1500 m)

                  These are generally few interesting figures. The infantry was engaged in anti-tank work in the army, its anti-tank artillery.
                  Quote: Fitter65
                  The new gun allowed to even at least partially equalize the chances

                  Over the entire 2MB, no more than a dozen tank battles, or at least major battles, happened. Therefore, talking about it is interesting, but devoid of practical meaning.
                  Quote: Fitter65
                  And what did he have to fight with the KV-1Pz.Kpfw. 38 (t)? Armor? Armament?

                  In the latest modifications 50 mm cemented armor. It's a lot. Slightly less than the HF, if you count one armor to another. Frontal armor NOT THAN 50 mm CEMENT armor became standard for German and Czech tanks from the 2nd half of 1940.
                  1. Fitter65
                    Fitter65 23 December 2018 17: 23
                    +24
                    Quote: rfv18

                    rfv18 Today, 15:31
                    +1
                    Quote: Fitter65
                    And what are the late modifications of Pz.Kpfw. 38 (t) KV-1 were beyond the power?

                    EG.

                    “Who fought in the Pz.Kpfw. 38 (t) 37 mmO. Karius wrote in his memoirs:“ We cursed the fragile and non-viscous Czech steel, which did not become an obstacle for the Russian 45-mm anti-tank gun. Fragments of our own armor plates and fastening bolts caused more damage than shrapnel and the shell itself "[5]" The Czech 38 (t) tank was roughly the same as the T-III in terms of parameters. But besides the fact that the Czech tank had inferior quality steel, it also lost out in the fact that its crew consisted of only four people. The tank commander had to simultaneously observe and shoot. "[6]
                    PzKpfw 38 (t) EG - Pz 38 (t) with increased frontal armor thickness up to 50 mm ... "
                    Quote: rfv18
                    50 mm cemented armor.

                    And this is that the panacea for the L-11 cannon, or F-32/34, which were later put on the KV-1. Well, the KV-1 had rolled armor up to 85 mm (frontal) and it is very interesting what 37-mm Pz.Kpfw guns did with it. 38 (t) modifications of the E-G?
                    You can see a lot of money invested in World of Tanks for this model, that they lost touch with reality?
                    Quote: rfv18
                    These are generally few interesting figures. The infantry was engaged in anti-tank work in the army, its anti-tank artillery.

                    The chief of the anti-tank artillery was engaged in anti-tank work in the army. Well, about generally few interesting figures, you will check with those crews of 22 tanks ... "the enemy in the convoy, and only half a company of Z. G. Kolobanov, which consisted of five heavy KV-1 tanks, together with cadets of the border school and the Leningrad militias on this day, August 19.081941, 43, 1 German tanks from the 6st, 8th and 1942th tank divisions were shot down in the same area. " I hope you know the composition of the fleet of these divisions? Moreover, a recommendation - should not be confused with Konovalov Semyon Vasilyevich - Hero of the Soviet Union, lieutenant (13), who on July 1942, 1, at the farm Nizhnemitakin, Tarasovsky district of Rostov region, commanding a KV-16 tank, together with the crew destroyed 2 tanks, 8 armored vehicles, XNUMX vehicles and enemy infantry.
                    Quote: rfv18
                    Frontal armor NOT THAN 50 mm CEMENT armor became standard for German and Czech tanks from the 2nd half of 1940.

                    May be. but Czech tanks already since 1938 were not a priori Czech, maybe the standard was for the Panzerwaffe, but what did the Panzerwaffe give in the first period of World War II? Yes, as I understand it for you, the word CEMENT armor is everything, but for some reason our tanks hid rolled armor, and some tanks also had a cast armored turret. and what is the difference between one and the other
                    By the way, the last few years, CEMENT armor is very popular on shushpanzery in Sumeria, I hope you have some concept of THIS cemented and THIS. Although reading your comment that the KV-1 did not take the latest T-3 models ... NU-NU ...
                    1. renics
                      renics 23 December 2018 18: 36
                      -12
                      Fitter65. And just one link is not enough to indicate as a reference. Your long texts exceeding all reasonable sizes for comments no one reads.
                    2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
                      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 23 December 2018 18: 41
                      +9
                      Alexander hi I’ll give you a plus for an interesting and reasoned comment.
                    3. rfv18
                      rfv18 23 December 2018 19: 10
                      -13
                      Quote: Fitter65
                      having been on Pz.Kpfw. 38 (t) 37 mmO. Carius wrote in his memoirs

                      This is not interesting to anyone. Moreover, you do not know on which model Pz.Kpfw. 38 (t) Carius fought.
                      Yes, and one more thing. German armor was cemented heterogeneous. Czech cemented homogeneous. Cheaper and in some details worse than German.
                      Soviet, as I already wrote, was cementless (noticeably worse than cemented). First, nothing, rolled. And then worse, cast.
                      Quote: Fitter65
                      The Czech tank 38 (t) approximately corresponded to the T-III tank in terms of parameters

                      Nonsense. It was a BTT of different classes. Actually, that's why it was simultaneously released.
                      Quote: Fitter65
                      F-32/34 which were later put on the KV-1.

                      On KV-1 was placed ZIS-5. F-34 was put on the T-34.
                      By the way, I would not write F-32/34. F-32 and F-34 were guns of different classes. F-32, tank. F-34, dead anti-tank (tank analogue of ZIS-3).
                      Quote: Fitter65
                      Well, on the KV-1 was rolled armor up to 85 mm (frontal)

                      Do not exaggerate, 75 mm of cementless armor. It is only slightly larger than 50 mm cemented armor.
                      Quote: Fitter65
                      and it’s very interesting what the 37 mm Pz.Kpfw guns did with it. 38 (t) modifications of the E-G?

                      And who told you that the 37 mm gun Pz.Kpfw. 38 (t) must do something with the KV-1 armor?
                      You play less in WOT.
                      Quote: Fitter65
                      ask those crews of 22 tanks ...

                      It was not a tank battle. At the crossroads (do not go round) stood a fixed armored bunker armed with a three-inch. All armored trifles went along the roads, which in the USSR were immediately pompously called tanks (the mark was not specified). The armoredzot shot down as much as this armored trifle could, and then, when it began to bake, he left.
                      Competent conduct of the battle, you will not say anything. But where is the "tank battle"? He is simply not there.
                      Quote: Fitter65
                      Perhaps the standard was for the Panzervaffe, but what did the Panzervaffe give in the first period of World War II?

                      Have you ever read anything about this war, I hope? If so, then they should know.
                      Quote: Fitter65
                      and what is the difference between one and the other

                      And just study this question at your leisure.
                      Quote: Fitter65
                      Although reading your comment that the KV-1 did not take the latest T-3 models ... NU-NU ...

                      You are also a dreamer. Attribute to me that I did not write. Or just do not understand Russian well.
                      1. Huumi
                        Huumi 24 December 2018 08: 32
                        0
                        By the way. It seems that on t34m towers cast aokazali the best armor resistance. Look in the tube of the lecture hall the history of the creation and modernization of t34 and its replacement in 41. it did not match
                      2. rfv18
                        rfv18 24 December 2018 10: 21
                        -3
                        Quote: Huumi
                        Like on t34m towers cast aokazali the best armor

                        They were made thicker. To compensate for the loss of strength. Therefore, it is often written that they are stronger.
                        Not really. The armor is different.
                      3. Huumi
                        Huumi 24 December 2018 12: 03
                        +1
                        I know that rolling is always better. Look at the lecture hall on the pipe. Development and further development of the T34 protection. Everything is chewed up with documents with names and dates.
                  2. renics
                    renics 23 December 2018 18: 32
                    0
                    rfv18. You tell this to the admirers of the Wehrmacht, do not try not to appreciate it.
              2. Huumi
                Huumi 23 December 2018 20: 44
                -14
                Did they blame the poor? A T-3 with a 50 mm cannon flashed the KV-1 Toko on the road. And even the Vada-already in 41 frontal, the T-4 reached something about 70 mm. I won’t tell for sure and judging by Isaev and his tanks on fire, 41 Germans successfully fought with our armored vehicles with sub-caliber coils. That’s tssss is a secret and you don’t need to write the truth here. Local wise men will not understand. From me plus
                1. rfv18
                  rfv18 23 December 2018 21: 37
                  -13
                  Quote: Huumi
                  Toko shhhh is a secret and you don’t need to write the truth here. Local wise men will not understand.

                  And even in 1941, the Pz.IV with a "cigarette butt" (the subject of general ridicule of the Runet) was armed with cumulative shells. And they did bad things with the Soviet BTT.
                  In the USSR, too, they came to this principle of fighting the enemy’s BTT. But only in 1943
                  But this is also a secret.
                  1. Huumi
                    Huumi 24 December 2018 08: 25
                    -7
                    Well, these things are writing dangerous cons, they are such, spoil the mood
                    1. rfv18
                      rfv18 24 December 2018 10: 22
                      -6
                      Quote: Huumi
                      cons they spoil the mood

                      And I somehow calmly relate to this. And in general, I consider all these minuses and shoulder straps as boyhood.
                      1. Huumi
                        Huumi 24 December 2018 11: 59
                        -3
                        I can not disagree.
            4. Iline
              Iline 23 December 2018 19: 55
              +3
              Recently, I catch myself thinking that watching the commercials about the film on him, in fact, is no longer worth going. Everything is already shown.
              It somehow became sad in our cinema. A lot of computer effects and no game actors.
          2. Valter1364
            Valter1364 23 December 2018 16: 45
            +9
            I do not agree with you. Films about the Second World War do not need to be removed. All the great films about the Second World War have already been shot. And they were shot by people who, as a rule, saw this war with their own eyes. What makes it difficult for new generations to watch those genuine war films. Or will young people not watch movies without computer special effects?
            1. Huumi
              Huumi 23 December 2018 20: 49
              -19
              Well, Bondarev removed the hot snow. And did he dig logs and trenches there? They removed the bullshit and rejoice! They built infantry fortifications from corpses. And shelters, too. There was nothing more. From Karelia logs were brought or what? Protu steppe by the way in the film fought for their homeland. The same dawns are quiet, the same nonsense. Beautiful, yes ... Beautiful nonsense ...
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 23 December 2018 20: 57
              +4
              Quote: Valter1364
              Films about the Second World War do not need to be removed. All the great films about the Second World War have already been shot.

              maybe even so
          3. serezhasoldatow
            serezhasoldatow 23 December 2018 18: 04
            +2
            Censorship is needed for this topic.
          4. Kent0001
            Kent0001 23 December 2018 19: 56
            +4
            Look in the credits who were the consultants of films about the war, shot in the USSR ..... at least a colonel or a major general, and often fought, hence the reliability of the actions on the screen.
          5. New Year day
            New Year day 23 December 2018 20: 55
            +7
            Quote: Ⅴ - vendetta
            But films about the Second World War need to be removed, but it’s better to approach.

            as they teach and as far as imagination was enough, they shoot. "In August 44" - without front-line actors, and the film takes a soul, you worry, as if you are near. And if you look at the current ones, I don’t believe that, that's all. Maybe for young people it will work, but not for those who have seen a real movie
        2. Grits
          Grits 23 December 2018 12: 59
          +49
          28 panfilovtsev - quite a decent film. From Stalingrad, spat. The white tiger, yours, almost moved out, how can you put mysticism into a movie about the Second World War?
          1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
            Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 23 December 2018 13: 06
            +32
            Quote: Gritsa
            28 Panfilov’s is a very decent film.

            Nice movie. The departure cards are real, the form corresponds, the technique is also 10 from 10, up to each bolt, hand weapons correspond, no PPSh or MP-40 in bulk, well, and other little things.
            1. Pereira
              Pereira 23 December 2018 13: 47
              -10
              That's just the commissioner in the film let us down. For the entire film, not a word about the USSR, the party, proletarian internationalism. But some kind of pseudo-Russian crap.
              By the way. It happened by chance, the director did not plan so. But when the pseudo-patriot who pretended to be a political instructor rubbed his crap, the sincere perplexity of adequate modern people was read in the faces of the actors-listeners - does he himself understand what is broadcasting?
              When I watched the movie, it amused me a lot.
              But battle scenes are good. Especially a machine gun, if anyone remembers.
          2. Pereira
            Pereira 23 December 2018 13: 50
            +5
            About the White Tiger:
            The white tiger, yours, almost moved out, how can you put mysticism into a movie about the Second World War?
            If desired, everything is possible. And you can look at it from this angle:
            http://alternathistory.com/po-sledam-belogo-tigra/
            1. sogdy
              sogdy 23 December 2018 14: 23
              +2
              Quote: Pereira
              http://alternathistory.com/po-sledam-belogo-tigra/

              Oh, really. Alternative, cunning ...
            2. Astronaut
              Astronaut 23 December 2018 17: 30
              +10
              http://alternathistory.com/po-sledam-belogo-tigra/

              In my opinion, Shakhnazarov expressed his vision of his plot in the last frames of the film, where Naydenov says that the White Tiger "must be burned anyway, otherwise the war will never end" and Hitler's interview with the Devil. This film should be taken as an allegory film
              1. your1970
                your1970 24 December 2018 10: 54
                0
                Quote: Astronaut
                http://alternathistory.com/po-sledam-belogo-tigra/

                In my opinion, Shakhnazarov expressed his vision of his plot in the last frames of the film, where Naydenov says that the White Tiger "must be burned anyway, otherwise the war will never end" and Hitler's interview with the Devil. This film should be taken as an allegory film

                First you need to read the book, it is not about the Second World War, it is about the abstract WAR. In the book, the other is final, but the meaning is close
                This is not fouling / alternative - this is exactly the book about the craziness of WAR as such.
                Dead (they don’t live with 100% burns) Naydenov fights with the dead White Tiger tankers.
                And at the end of the book, when the war ended, he left to fight with him to the end.

                And people are beginning to evaluate it as a book / film about the Second World War - skating rinks of the wrong system, they didn’t install a stabilizer, they had white camouflage in the summer.

                In my opinion, this is one of the best films about the inadmissibility of WAR in general as a way to solve problems. It was shot for the last shots - when the hero leaves to kill the WAR
                1. Astronaut
                  Astronaut 24 December 2018 13: 46
                  0
                  Do you distinguish between the concepts of "film adaptation of the work" and "based on"?
                2. Efgen
                  Efgen 25 December 2018 07: 56
                  0
                  Literally the first phrase of the book "Seven days after the Prokhorov massacre, the repairmen hooked up the rope to the next torn apart" thirty-four "." It's not about the Second World War ???
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 25 December 2018 09: 59
                    0
                    Quote: Efgen
                    This is not about WWII ???
                    charred (90% burn) lying in the tank WEEK - and then without scars even on the body - is that about WWII?
                    The Great Patriotic War here is taken as a basis for the sake of these lines;
                    "An old Pz 35 (t), somehow patched up by Ivan Ivanovich (however, like any other tank) had an amazing flair. But political instructors, headquarters, special officers, anti-aircraft guns, self-propelled guns and desperate negotiations" SMERSH "in English with the other side , the driver was not occupied now - the monster was now waiting behind Milovets - the familiar 200-mm sides gleamed white, the caterpillars were covered with mud and slime, the monocular eye slowly groped for the target. The devils in the tower did their best to turn the flywheel of aiming and took out the “cumulative” one from the combat unit. The monstrous trunk, no doubt, was cleaned by them. However, the tankman, who was swirling in fire and smoke, was wearing an overcoat, black from spots, not tall, all hung with medals and orders, had no doubt that this outdated, touching trolley would be enough for a blow. Enough and one, albeit 37-millimeter, "baby".

                    - "Click, Ivan! - rumbled heavenly music. “Push! ... He’s still here!” "
            3. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 24 December 2018 22: 48
              -1
              Quote: Pereira
              About the White Tiger:
              The white tiger, yours, almost moved out, how can you put mysticism into a movie about the Second World War?
              If desired, everything is possible. And you can look at it from this angle:
              http://alternathistory.com/po-sledam-belogo-tigra/

              I looked at your link. The author is the same narrow-minded person. And I also did not understand the film, about which I wrote so many "letters" and everything by, nor the book. By the way, Shakhnazarov "inserted" a completely different idea into the film than in the book on which the film was supposedly shot.
          3. another RUSICH
            another RUSICH 23 December 2018 13: 54
            0
            Well ... in "we are from the future" we stuck it, and even the second part with other actors. Norm, cho ... people hawala ...
          4. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 23 December 2018 13: 55
            +5
            Quote: Gritsa
            The white tiger, yours, almost moved out, how can you put mysticism into a movie about the Second World War?

            Totally agree with you ! And "White Tiger", and "Fog", and "We are from the future" are a disgrace to Russian cinema! angry
            1. sogdy
              sogdy 23 December 2018 14: 30
              +15
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              "We are from the future" is a disgrace to Russian cinema!

              Probably, "We are from the future" was worth filming for the sake of skins and Sumerians. Think about it.
            2. Astronaut
              Astronaut 23 December 2018 17: 31
              +6
              And "White Tiger"
              is a disgrace to Russian cinema!
              This is solely your personal opinion!
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 24 December 2018 03: 48
                +1
                Quote: Astronaut
                This is solely your personal opinion!

                Yes ... this is my personal opinion! I did not claim that this is the "opinion of the people". In the films I have indicated, there are well-staged scenes, incl. and "heroic", but this is all leveled out by the fact that the authors openly declare that this did not happen! This is fiction, fantasy. If we watch a film "about the war", where the actions of a famous event take place, then we accept the director's version that this event could have happened the way the director showed us ... for example, "28 Panfilov" and even "Stalingrad". But another thing is when the director openly declares that the film is "the pranks of his cockroaches in the head"! I think that in childhood, after watching a movie "about the war", we all imagined how we would behave in the events of the movie we watched (or the book we read ...). This is normal ... and the fact that we could share our vision (experiences) with our comrades and implement it in our games is also normal. But in full seriousness "push through" mysticism to the masses!? Is it not enough for us Kashpirovsky and Chumak? "Educate" youth on examples from "fantasy" films? Oh well ! Are there few real examples, events? Events in Syria, the resistance of the Abkhazians, Ossetians of Georgia in the 90s, where Russian volunteers took part (and died heroically!) The war of August 8, 2008, the participation of Russian volunteers in the "Yugoslav" war ... and so on. Over time, a lot is forgotten ... the Great Patriotic War is also gradually forgotten (especially, this is noticeable in conversations with young people ...) ... Even "recent" heroes are forgotten ... (ask people what the names of the Russian pilots who died in Syria, like heroes!) Films "about the war" are designed to refresh the memory! And this is the benefit of such films ... and it is more difficult for young cynics to be ironic about the events in the film if they "implicitly" understand that such events were or could be in reality! And will the youth seriously take the film-"fantasy"?
                1. Astronaut
                  Astronaut 24 December 2018 13: 50
                  +3
                  Not enough for us Kashpirovsky and Chumak?

                  You feel a lot of them were fond of! You have porridge in your head. You are confusing documentaries with feature films!
                  1. Nikolaevich I
                    Nikolaevich I 24 December 2018 14: 38
                    0
                    Quote: Astronaut
                    You have porridge in your head. You are confusing documentaries with feature films!

                    Che-e-pooh! This is about the "mess" and "confusion." I have a clear (!) Position and I voice it!
            3. your1970
              your1970 24 December 2018 14: 34
              +2
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              Quote: Gritsa
              The white tiger, yours, almost moved out, how can you put mysticism into a movie about the Second World War?

              Totally agree with you ! And "White Tiger", and "Fog", and "We are from the future" are a disgrace to Russian cinema! angry
              remind you disgrace Soviet cinema? Die Hard (1967), 4 tanker and dog (they simply weren’t allowed to come forward, otherwise they would have taken Berlin to 1941), Special Forces (with bows belay ), etc.? !!, also that reliability and tin was also ......
              And at the same time, pay attention to the fact that they praise 5-10 of Soviet films about the war of everything, and there were hundreds of them
          5. Ivan Ivanov
            Ivan Ivanov 23 December 2018 15: 49
            0
            Quote: Gritsa
            28 Panfilov’s is a very decent film.

            Yes, it is better than what the official cinema gives, but the nationalist-monarchist Shalepa shot it, and this is also felt.
          6. jaroff
            jaroff 23 December 2018 17: 15
            +7
            The white tiger was made only for two phrases at the end of the film, first Hitler, that he fulfilled the secret desires of Europeans and the second phrase of the protagonist that the war is not over. The tiger is alive and appears even if 20 years have passed. This film is completely impossible to relate to films about the war.
          7. Moore
            Moore 23 December 2018 17: 53
            +9
            Quote: Gritsa
            The white tiger - yours almost moved out, how can you put mysticism into a movie about the Second World War

            And if you just look deeper, think?
            This is not a mystical film, but rather a philosophical one. On the fight against Absolute Evil. Moreover, this Absolute Evil in the person of Hitler is completely justified justifies:
            And we just found the courage to realize what Europe dreamed about! ... Have we not realized the hidden dream of every European citizen? They always did not like the Jews! All their life they were afraid of this gloomy, gloomy country in the East ... I said: just let us solve these two problems, solve them once and for all ... Humanity has become what it is, thanks to the struggle! War is a natural, mundane affair. War is always and everywhere. War has no beginning or end. War is life itself. War is the starting point. ”
            The main message of the film - Evil has not died, it hid and is waiting for an opportunity.

            As for the T-34. Dear, how much can you? "I have not looked, but I condemn!" ...
            The fact that contemporary filmmakers - let's call them like this - the crisis of the genre and the shortage of plots - no one argues. As experts from dramaturgy say, there are only sixteen original stories in the entire history of mankind.
            Well, it's hard for modern ignoramuses (small and adults with beards) to digest "They fought for the Motherland", "The Living and the Dead", etc. If parents do not slip in at the appropriate age and do not explain, it is a disaster.
            So they cook things for the needs of the shirnarmasses with iron, as close as possible to the original, zhvuhaya and unpretentious plot.
            Welcome to the era of the "smart consumer" ...
            1. victor50
              victor50 24 December 2018 12: 22
              0
              Quote: Moore
              Well, it's hard for modern ignoramuses (small and adults with beards) to digest "They fought for the Motherland", "The Living and the Dead", etc.

              Maybe that's why it's hard because they give them modern cinema. "Lark" looked at about 10 years old, nothing, digested, everything was digested. I know modern 30+ year olds who also easily digest the films you named and spit from modern crafts. Don't forget, today's youth have already had their own war. And many people understand it more accurate and sharpened than that of many of my generation who have not fought.
          8. Huumi
            Huumi 23 December 2018 20: 51
            -1
            It's not mysticism. It's a parable. And you need to watch a movie based on this. Everything will become clear after listening to Hitler's shorthand at the end of the film and the last scene of the characters
        3. Fitter65
          Fitter65 23 December 2018 14: 49
          +10
          Quote: 210ox
          There were Frontline Actors, there were films .. "They Fought for the Motherland", "The Dawns Here Are Quiet", the same "Skylark" ... And now they are filming a fake like "Stalingrad" .. It's a shame, of course ..

          The film "STAR" in 2002, "Brest Fortress" in 2010, and of course "Panfilov's 28" are the best films about the Great Patriotic War in the post-Soviet period, and the actors are not front-line soldiers, but how they played !!! When I saw an advertisement for T-34 for the first time, I got the feeling that it was a rework of the Lark.
          1. Huumi
            Huumi 23 December 2018 20: 51
            0
            Pralno. The 2002 star is a great movie. And filmed with dignity.
          2. bragin
            bragin 23 December 2018 23: 16
            +1
            "In August 44th" - worth mentioning.
        4. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 23 December 2018 15: 24
          +10
          Quote: 210ox
          There were Frontline Actors, there were films .. "They Fought for the Motherland", "The Dawns Here Are Quiet", the same "Skylark" ... And now they are filming a fake like "Stalingrad" .. It's a shame, of course ..


          I will add - "Only old men go to battle" ... and for me, "Liberation" is still a great movie, it's like about the whole war, about its main events. Here is the question about the Soul of the film, more often, looking through the "remakes" I just want to say - I don't believe! Instead of raising the level of the viewer to "smart cinema", when carefully with facts and details, they descend to the level of a simple "computer shooter". Are real events not exciting enough? Only about the T-34 could be shot a whole series! Starting from the history of its creation and up to the victorious 45th.
          1. Bryanskiy_Volk
            Bryanskiy_Volk 23 December 2018 18: 08
            +1
            I dare to add to your judgment: there is already a wonderful Polish TV series "Four Tankmen and a Dog", if you forgot hi
          2. your1970
            your1970 24 December 2018 11: 06
            +1
            Well, suppose the Ozerov films also had a rather distant relationship with the Great Patriotic War. Everything was a bit different than in them ...
            1. Yuyuka
              Yuyuka 24 December 2018 20: 37
              +1
              Quote: your1970
              Well, suppose the Ozerov films also had a rather distant relationship with the Great Patriotic War. Everything was a bit different than in them ...


              I agree, there were no frankly bloody scenes, human remains on caterpillars and much more ... The role of the party is in the foreground, for example. But the main, decisive moments in the Great Patriotic War are shown. And also - then the participants were alive - my friend's father fought, was wounded. I supplemented some things, I did not really believe with pioneer enthusiasm then ... But now the other extreme is a comedy about the blockade of Leningrad or frank fantasy. It's one thing when it's fiction - like the film "We are from the Future", there is more about the relationship of ancestors with descendants, another when "on real events." Here one must be very careful with the facts, otherwise the belief is lost that the Victory was Great and the enemy was very strong and cruel. Now is a unique time - many archives have become available, all sorts of prohibitions have been lifted, and there are no talented directors and the desire to tell about the events of those days as authentically as possible ... When Stalingrad came out, I thought - well, now they will tell and show a lot of what happened under the ban, and after watching - as if a bucket of slops, moreover, they poured American ones ...
        5. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 23 December 2018 15: 31
          +5
          We must love our history, our grandfathers and fathers who defended our homeland, then films will be good.
        6. VeteranVSSSR
          VeteranVSSSR 23 December 2018 18: 01
          +5
          And the dawns here are quiet. This is no longer about war. This is a feat !!!
          About war it is - "In war, as in war", all Ozerov's films "Liberation", ...
          1. pro100y.belarus
            pro100y.belarus 24 December 2018 05: 30
            +4
            Quote: VeteranVSSSR
            And the dawns here are quiet. This is no longer about war. This is a feat !!!
            About war it is - "In war, as in war", all Ozerov's films "Liberation", ...

            And also Elem Klimov, "Come and See", 1985. When you look, your soul turns out of hatred for the fascist geeks.
        7. Tank hard
          Tank hard 23 December 2018 19: 40
          0
          Quote: 210ox

          There were Frontline Actors, there were films .. "They Fought for the Motherland", "The Dawns Here Are Quiet", the same "Skylark" ... And now they are filming a fake like "Stalingrad" .. It's a shame, of course ..

          It is difficult to disagree with you. yes
        8. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 23 December 2018 22: 47
          +1
          The Lark looked like a kid. There, the crew had only MP40. Refused to crush a German child. And one fighter died because of a flower in a cap or hat.
      2. Fedor egoist
        Fedor egoist 23 December 2018 12: 44
        +13
        For going to the cinema for such "masterpieces" of Russian cinema, they also have to pay extra, IMHO.
        We have really interesting and high-quality shots, but unfortunately, recently Russian directors, with rare exceptions, produce only cultural slops.
      3. APASUS
        APASUS 23 December 2018 13: 19
        +38
        Quote: Ⅴ - vendetta
        I won’t be surprised if in about twenty years, if I live, in films about the Great Patriotic Negroes in Soviet form will appear. According to the Hollywood example.

        The Americans have intentions to make a film about the Gulag of Solzhenitsin, can you imagine how it will look?
        1. Conductor
          Conductor 23 December 2018 13: 45
          +2
          And how gays will be served, interesting !!!
          1. Sergey M. Karasev
            Sergey M. Karasev 23 December 2018 14: 02
            +10
            Quote: Conductor
            And how gays will be served, interesting !!!

            Like the unfortunate camp "roosters", which, according to the director's plan, the audience should feel sorry for. wassat
        2. Freeman
          Freeman 23 December 2018 15: 14
          +6
          APASUS (Pavo) Today, 13:19 PM
          The Americans have intentions to make a film about the Gulag of Solzhenitsin, can you imagine how it will look?

          am Plagiarists! wassat laughing
          The Finns already have a film about Mannerheim, with black actors.



          link to the "film" with Russian subtitles
          https://youtu.be/Y26M0STeDRg
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            1. Freeman
              Freeman 23 December 2018 16: 36
              +3
              APASUS (Pavo) Today, 15:59 PM
              But blacks really fought for the Germans in Africa, Asia and not only blacks

              hi I know that.
              It was about the fact that in the film, the role of Marshal Mannerheim was played by a black actor.
              1. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 23 December 2018 20: 26
                +3
                Quote: Freeman
                in the film, the role of Marshal Mannerheim was played by a black actor.

                And what, to a point - that is still asp. am
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 24 December 2018 23: 02
                  +2
                  Quote: Paranoid50
                  Quote: Freeman
                  in the film, the role of Marshal Mannerheim was played by a black actor.

                  And what, to a point - that is still asp. am

                  Thanks for the humor. For five minutes I can’t calm down! Laughing out loud.
                  In addition, the Chinese in the 90s also filmed How the Steel Was Tempered.
                  1. Paranoid50
                    Paranoid50 24 December 2018 23: 17
                    +2
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    the Chinese in the 90s also filmed How the Steel Was Tempered.

                    Recently they also staged the opera "The Dawns Here Are Quiet ...". But they did it with soul. Half of the country grew up on this piece.
              2. Huumi
                Huumi 23 December 2018 21: 02
                -3
                Mannerheim was Dutch ... and not black
                1. Freeman
                  Freeman 23 December 2018 21: 38
                  +2
                  Quote: Huumi
                  Mannerheim was Dutch ... and not black

                  Finns, know better. laughing / sarcasm /
                2. iaroslav.mudryi
                  iaroslav.mudryi 23 December 2018 21: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: Huumi
                  Mannerheim was Dutch ... and not black


                  More specifically, Mannerheim was a Russian-Finnish Swede. At the time of his birth, the Principality of Finland was part of the Russian Empire, he is a Swede by ethnicity.
                  1. Huumi
                    Huumi 24 December 2018 08: 23
                    0
                    The Dutchman from there left for Sweden. The impoverished nobles
        3. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 23 December 2018 15: 39
          +1
          Quote: APASUS
          Quote: Ⅴ - vendetta
          I won’t be surprised if in about twenty years, if I live, in films about the Great Patriotic Negroes in Soviet form will appear. According to the Hollywood example.

          The Americans have intentions to make a film about the Gulag of Solzhenitsin, can you imagine how it will look?


          we need to be proactive! looking for a producer - I propose to make a film about the Gulag in Alaska - a secret prison like Guantanamo, which secretly existed under the "secret" agreement of the Americans with ours! belay there our NKVDs trained American "comrades" to torture and shoot dissidents. And then their descendants and students organized prisons around the world! Fuh .... I'm tired of something ... not every day you have to write such a crazy script, how hard is it for them in Hollywood to invent nonsense about us for years ?? By the way, your photo is like a trailer for a future film. wassat
          1. Demon_is_ada
            Demon_is_ada 23 December 2018 17: 59
            +1
            Yuri, you know, but absolutely nothing needs to be invented laughing You will get acquainted with the numbers of prisoners and convicts in the United States, how they are forced to work for entrepreneurs for the balance, the contribution of the colonies to real production, a system of fines, etc. ... and you will understand that this is not an archipelago, but the Gulag continent hi
        4. andrew42
          andrew42 24 December 2018 12: 54
          0
          In the states, and so the GULAG, only commercial. Private prisons - 80% of convicts. They plow for pennies on IBM, A&D, Apple, etc. It would be necessary to shoot a film about the US GULAG, and run it on RT.
      4. Pereira
        Pereira 23 December 2018 13: 41
        +12
        And why not blacks? There, some quite seriously argue that blacks are also people. If there are already blacks - knights of the Round Table, if the goddess Athena is now black, why not be a black - NKVDshniku?
        Politically argue, out of date.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 23 December 2018 14: 06
          +1
          Duc ... who is "thrilled" by someone else's grief ... grief, filled with tolerance in half with political correctness, an American director! If there "according to the order" a certain percentage of neg ... "African Americans" is assigned! So ... "ce la vie"! Will be American "gulags" filled with niggas ... "African Americans"! belay request fool
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 23 December 2018 14: 11
            +6
            I thought about it, if you show the blacks in the Gulag, they may demand compensation from Russia for racism, and Trump will impose new sanctions. To avoid this, it is now necessary to make films where all the guard are blacks.
          2. WapentakeLokki
            WapentakeLokki 23 December 2018 18: 44
            0
            The colleague is not `` African-Americans '' if we are talking about the Gulag, then this is already `` Afro-dissidents '' or `` Afro-Trotskyite-deviating Mensheviks '' but why doesn't it look cool ???
        2. AnderS
          AnderS 23 December 2018 14: 22
          +3
          why not be a black man - NKVDshniku?
          What are you, what are you, as possible, the Negro-NKVDshnik is politically incorrect. belay Negroes should be exclusively positive characters, so in the film adaptation of the gulag archipelago, the gay man will be the actor acting as Solzhenitsyn wassat
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 23 December 2018 15: 49
            0
            Quote: AnderS
            Blacks should be extremely positive characters

            such as laughing
            1. Freeman
              Freeman 23 December 2018 16: 44
              +3
              Quote: LSA57
              Quote: AnderS
              Blacks should be extremely positive characters

              such as laughing


              Nothing. We didn’t use such "blanks" to make good fighters.

              1. LSA57
                LSA57 23 December 2018 18: 01
                0
                Quote: Freeman
                Nothing. We didn’t use such "blanks" to make good fighters.

                the other day at VO it was about the Frenchman who served as a marine in the Russian Federation for a year. admits that they made a man out of him.
        3. APASUS
          APASUS 23 December 2018 15: 31
          0
          Quote: Pereira
          And why not blacks? There, some quite seriously argue that blacks are also people. If there are already blacks - knights of the Round Table, if the goddess Athena is now black, why not be a black - NKVDshniku?

          It may be at least a transvestite, but then there is no need to refer to historical facts and Solzhenitsyn. It’s easy to admit that this nonsense has ripened in the director’s head. But the whole point of the plan is that it is a historical film based on facts. It is the Americans that debunked the horror of the Soviet regime. And if you admit that this is just artistic nonsense, the political component disappears.
      5. san4es
        san4es 23 December 2018 14: 54
        +6
        Quote: в - vendetta
        .... blacks in Soviet uniform will be removed.

        ... And what at once in the Soviet one?

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        1. Tochilka
          Tochilka 23 December 2018 15: 51
          +1
          Putin will build a Putin center, where everything will be molded from granite will be entirely in nanotechnology. Nano-doors, nano-mats, nano-windows and the like. And nano-wallpaper in small black peas, which with an increase will be the profiles of Medvedev, Chubais, Mutko, Miller, Sechin, Abramovich, governor thieves ... Not otherwise.
          1. astronom1973n
            astronom1973n 23 December 2018 17: 01
            0
            Quote: Tochilka
            Putin will build a Putin center, where everything will be molded from granite will be entirely in nanotechnology. Nano-doors, nano-mats, nano-windows and the like. And nano-wallpaper in small black peas, which with an increase will be the profiles of Medvedev, Chubais, Mutko, Miller, Sechin, Abramovich, governor thieves ... Not otherwise.

            There will also be an image of the "carcass" of Leshka Bulk, actively spying on them and writing another libel according to the dictation of the State Department))))))
          2. Astronaut
            Astronaut 23 December 2018 17: 34
            +1
            Putin will build a Putin center, where everything will be molded from granite will be entirely in nanotechnology.

            It is rather for Chubais wink
      7. aws4
        aws4 23 December 2018 18: 08
        +1
        why not? the Yankees have a good movie - the "black knight" and our bedding of the gray-scale will be removed by the "black commissar" while the country has such a government that wants to finally turn the people into cattle and there will be such films ..
      8. user1212
        user1212 24 December 2018 05: 18
        +1
        Quote: Ⅴ - vendetta
        They mastered the lave. On real events, but in free reading

        In the same way, "the creators mastered the lava and" Saving Private Ryan "was filmed on real events in a free retelling, but the film perfectly fulfills what it was created for, namely, raising the level of patriotism and unity in American society. So what of the fact that the plot is false through and through? Who cares? If the "T-34" works the same way, then I see nothing wrong with that. The Soviet "Officers", "17 Moments of Spring", "Star", etc. can easily be attributed to the same films. They have no documentary historical base. Is this also all "free retelling" and "mastering lave"?
        The modern viewer wants a beautiful picture. He doesn't give a damn about acting and compliance with historical facts, he still doesn't understand anything about them and doesn't want to understand. Cinema is entertainment, not a historical lecture. Such films are not created for us, but for those who are now commonly called "bulk" on the Internet. They will not go to the "Skylark", there is no picture and little action. Sad but true
      9. Leeds
        Leeds 24 December 2018 09: 21
        0
        Well, in the remake of Robin Hood, fresh, either King John the Landless, or Father Tuck is a black man. Be tolerant))
    2. svp67
      svp67 23 December 2018 12: 42
      +5
      Quote: adma
      and do not care about historical authenticity

      And what historical authenticity formed the basis of this film?
      1. adma
        adma 23 December 2018 13: 36
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: adma
        and do not care about historical authenticity

        And what historical authenticity formed the basis of this film?

        Historical accuracy is not only the basis, but also the T-34 in 1942, or a 100 mm gun in pursuit of an 85 mm gun - for example. And to which film of the questions I listed for reliability?
        1. svp67
          svp67 23 December 2018 13: 40
          +2
          Quote: adma
          And to which film of the questions I listed for reliability?

          The same "Lark"
          1. adma
            adma 23 December 2018 13: 43
            0
            The legend was like that.
            http://old.redstar.ru/2009/05/06_05/2_02.html
            1. svp67
              svp67 23 December 2018 13: 53
              +22
              Quote: adma
              The legend was like that.

              Why was she not one? Unfortunately there are no documents ...
              But there is still interesting evidence in the book “Ahead - Berlin!”, Lieutenant General of Tank Troops N.G. Popel, who in the spring of 1945 served as a member of the military council of the 1st Guards Tank Army, describes the results of a trip to the Kummersdorf training ground of the head of the department for armored supply and repair of the army, Colonel P.G. Dyner and Secretary of the Party Organization of the Army Field Directorate (and also a TASS correspondent) Colonel P.L. Pavlovtseva. On the eve of April 20, 1945, the training ground was occupied by units of the 1st Guards Tank Brigade, Colonel A.M. Temnika.
              At the training ground, Soviet soldiers found shot tanks and self-propelled guns, among which were the Soviet IS-1 and SU-152, as well as the Royal Tiger of the latest modification. In the wrecked cars were the remains of people - apparently, the captured Soviet tankers. Describing what he saw, Pavlovtsev recalled the incident that had happened to him at the Sandomierz bridgehead, where a tanker who had escaped from captivity entered Soviet positions. Soon this man died of exhaustion, however, having managed to tell the story of his escape: “... The SS men and two comrades brought him to the Kunersdorf (so in the original - approx. Ed.) Training ground and forced him to participate in the test of the tank for armor resistance. I already reported this to a member of the Military Council. Before the test, the chairman of the fascist commission praised our crew very much - so quickly and clearly they carried out all the commands. Here, they say, she, "Rus" savvy! He promised tankers complete freedom if they survived. When, before being shot, people got into the tank, the commander stroked his armor and ordered the driver: “Listen only to my team!” And the tank rushed at third speed directly to the observation tower. The gunners did not shoot, so as not to beat their commanders: the tank commander turned out to be a brave and intelligent man, he calculated everything. They mischievous there - he said so: "disgraceful." Some fools SS men on alarm in an armored personnel carrier rolled up - they decided to pacify the tank! He crushed their caterpillars on the move - there weren’t any shells. Then the fighters waved east. When the fuel ran out, they began to make their way through the forests on foot. Both the commander and the driver died on the way, the radio operator crawled one alive. "
              Pavlovtsev tried to conduct his own investigation, but he managed to find out a little, as local residents were afraid to tell something, fearing to become victims of revenge for other people's sins. Only one old man, so decrepit and sick, that he was not even taken to Volkssturm, and his wife gave interesting testimonies. According to them, at the end of 1943, one tank escaped from the training ground, which managed to get to the nearest concentration camp, where he crushed a passage booth and knocked out part of the wire fence. As a result of this, many prisoners escaped from captivity, which the Gestapo dogs and dogs then hunted for a long time.
              According to Pavlovtsev, local residents were struck by the fact that when the children playing on the bridge were on the tank’s path, he did not crush them. Tankers jumped out of the “thirty-four” and drove the kids away, despite the fact that every second was dear to them. The Germans managed to detain or kill almost all the prisoners, so this escape was not widely known. Pavlovtsev was only embarrassed that the case described by the old people did not coincide in time with the tanker's exit to Sandomierz bridgehead. It turned out that the case of a tank escape from the Kummersdorf training ground was not the only one, or the tankers, for some reason, went to their own for too long. However, it was impossible to verify this in the context of the ongoing war, and Pavlovtsev was soon seriously injured.
              1. albert
                albert 23 December 2018 19: 06
                0
                Quote: svp67
                At the training ground, Soviet soldiers found shot tanks and self-propelled guns, among which were the Soviet IS-1 and SU-152, as well as the Royal Tiger of the latest modification. In the wrecked cars were the remains of people - apparently, the captured Soviet tank

                There is also an old Soviet film called "The Hunt for a Unicorn", it said something like that, only it was about pilots, not about tankers. They were put in captured Laos, without ammunition and almost without fuel, and fascist litaki were trained on them.
    3. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 23 December 2018 12: 47
      +15
      I disagree, "White Tiger" is a parable film, not just a movie about tankers
      1. Astronaut
        Astronaut 23 December 2018 17: 39
        +1
        White tiger "movie parable

        I support!
    4. Gray brother
      Gray brother 23 December 2018 12: 48
      +3
      Quote: adma
      fantasy delirium in the form of "White Tigers"

      "White Tiger" was nothing by the way, the message there is correct. The rest is trouble, trouble at all.
      1. svp67
        svp67 23 December 2018 13: 13
        +5
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        I disagree, "White Tiger" is a parable film, not just a movie about tankers

        Quote: Gray Brother
        "White Tiger" was nothing by the way, the message there is correct. The rest is trouble, trouble at all.

        Well, and "Tanks" is one of not many of our "Easterns", the same as "One among strangers ...", "Elusive Avengers", "Sixth".
        And who remembers this film: "The feat of Farhad"?
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 23 December 2018 16: 47
          +2
          Quote: svp67
          Well, and "Tanks" is one of our few "Eastern"

          This one could not watch - crap outrageous.
          1. svp67
            svp67 23 December 2018 21: 58
            -1
            Quote: Gray Brother
            This one could not watch - crap outrageous.

            Everyone has their own opinion and thank God, but this film will live on. But I'm not sure about the "Indestructible".
    5. Orkraider
      Orkraider 23 December 2018 12: 48
      +22
      No, not sad!

      There is nothing better than Soviet films, these are pure-hearted, piercing and fervent films in which there is no dull humor and which can be watched many times.

      BUT,
      that great era is gone and if we don't counteract Modern blockbusters have their own, and it is spectacular blockbusters with a fairy-tale ending (and most young people want to go out of an entertaining trip to the cinema with a good mood, and not with tears in their eyes) - then we will not be able to win the fight for the minds even on our territory.
      It’s wonderful and easy to say, everything is bad, but you must admit that even every 10th person watching the film gets into Vika and reads about the real story, and every 100th watching the Lark - the film is justified for all 100!

      And without this film, no one would have remembered the original, would not have written these phrases here, and did not feel pride in our great Ancestors.

      Thank you for making such films!

      By the way, why didn’t you think about such a high patriotism in America? Maybe because, such films and much more stupid ones, on comics in which their country is praised and hammered that they are exceptional and great, come out tens of times more?
      1. naive1966
        naive1966 23 December 2018 13: 19
        -2
        With credibility in Soviet films, too, not very (stupid Germans with "Schmeisers" crowds of sticks on the machine gun and rolls like sheaves). And also an armada of modern tanks.
      2. svp67
        svp67 23 December 2018 22: 02
        +2
        Quote: Orkraider
        There is nothing better than Soviet films, these are pure-hearted, piercing and fervent films in which there is no dull humor and which can be watched many times.

        You just got old. And in Soviet cinema there were enough bad films, they simply dropped out and only those that were good remained. And yet, each time has its own spirit and it feels great in good films
    6. dvina71
      dvina71 23 December 2018 13: 07
      +13
      If you don’t understand .. I will explain .. "White Tiger" is not about tanks. This is one of the best parables about the war ... on the screen. You either did not look .. or did not understand .. sadly both.
      1. adma
        adma 23 December 2018 13: 17
        +9
        Quote: dvina71
        This is one of the best parables about the war .., on the screen. You either didn’t look .. or didn’t understand .. sadly both.

        The sad thing is that I first read I. Boyashov's novel "Tankman, or White Tiger", and then looked at the "White Tiger" hat. And it's sad that a complete HAT was made of a good piece!
        1. vindigo
          vindigo 23 December 2018 16: 47
          +1
          The movie didn’t go to me either after the book.
        2. Astronaut
          Astronaut 23 December 2018 17: 48
          0
          It’s sad that they made a full HAT out of a good work!

          The film was shot on the motives of the work, and not its film adaptation. And if you didn’t like the film, this does not mean that it is bad, you just didn’t understand the director’s plan!
          1. adma
            adma 23 December 2018 19: 36
            +1
            Quote: Astronaut
            it doesn’t mean that he is bad,

            But I didn’t say that it’s bad. I said - HAT!
      2. Conductor
        Conductor 23 December 2018 13: 48
        +2
        There, at the end, Hitler’s monologue is notable, and that person whose face is not visible.
    7. Klingon
      Klingon 23 December 2018 13: 16
      -1
      Not WoT but WT, (War Thunder), WoT is too arcade. A WT game is quite realistic. And Russian directors get too arcade films.
    8. Astronaut
      Astronaut 23 December 2018 17: 17
      0
      So we get some kind of fantasy nonsense in the form of "White Tigers"

      It's not about fiction. You do not understand the depth of the film, watch carefully!
    9. maverick5334
      maverick5334 23 December 2018 17: 39
      0
      You know, for me personally, the whole essence of the film "White Tiger" lies in its finale (speeches of the bastards-Hitler)
      The rest have not yet watched.
    10. renics
      renics 23 December 2018 18: 28
      +1
      Quote: adma
      Therefore, films were made for gamers and do not care about historical authenticity

      And what is the occasion to be indignant if this is not a documentary based on historical authenticity, but an art based on scenario fiction. In my opinion, those who were furious for the sake of criticism do not realize these two differences.
    11. Slinqshot
      Slinqshot 23 December 2018 19: 01
      -1
      What does gamers have to do with it? The connection with HERE and Russian fecal cinema is only in your fevered brain. The only film that has a connection with the "tankmen" is "Panfilov's 28", which was sponsored by Snail (Var Thunder project).
    12. Voyager
      Voyager 23 December 2018 20: 06
      +2
      You run into the White Tiger in vain. Great, deep movie. It has flaws in terms of execution, but on the other hand it contains monstrous but correct thoughts. I’m telling you as a person with a director’s education.
    13. arhPavel
      arhPavel 23 December 2018 22: 47
      0
      The fashion for tank themes was born, in my opinion, WOT.

      At least for this, we can say thanks to our Belarusian comrades. Very much for a long time and qualitatively they aroused interest in the technique of the Great Patriotic War.
    14. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 24 December 2018 22: 29
      0
      Quote: adma
      The fashion for the tank theme was born, in my opinion, by WOT. Therefore, the films were shot for gamers and do not care about the historical accuracy! So we get some kind of fantasy nonsense in the form of "White Tigers", "Indestructible", "Tanks", etc.
      SAD ....

      Forgive me, but you did not understand the film "White Tiger". It's not about Tiger. It is about fascism, which is personified by this tank from the film. Yes, the tank (fascism) was hit, but not completely destroyed. He hid, but can appear anywhere.
      Just as the SOVIET SOLDIER, who was "burned" in the tank, did not die - the winner of fascism.
      The film is very good and the shooting is good and the acting is good. Shakhnazarov "+"
  2. rayruav
    rayruav 23 December 2018 12: 31
    +10
    even if they would write off competently, or it always turns out to be Americanized nonsense, they have a Hollywood tumor in their heads
  3. ancestors from Don
    ancestors from Don 23 December 2018 12: 31
    +22
    There is no desire to watch modern versions of films about the Second World War ((((in Soviet times there were consultants from among the participants in the battles, Ozerov's battle scenes are aerobatics), Bondarchuk's film "The Fate of a Man" is perhaps the most heartbreaking truth about the war, the film "Skylark" 1964 about The feat of captured soldiers on a T-34 tank in the occupied territory of Germany will not leave anyone indifferent.
    1. Andrey591
      Andrey591 23 December 2018 12: 40
      +5
      And The Living and the Dead?
      1. ancestors from Don
        ancestors from Don 23 December 2018 12: 45
        +8
        We need a ban at least for the next decades on remakes of films about the Second World War, it WILL NOT be better than the one filmed in the USSR, let's educate young people on "Young Guard", "Only old people go to battle", "Kingfisher", "They fought for the Motherland", "Zvezda" , the epic "Liberation", "Blockade", ... ……… .. otherwise we will get a stupid Hollywood society without a clan and tribe.
        1. Vasily Yurievich
          Vasily Yurievich 23 December 2018 14: 07
          +1
          And what's wrong with the remake of "Stars"?
        2. Slinqshot
          Slinqshot 23 December 2018 19: 05
          0
          "Dumb Hollywood Society" shoots many times smarter than the last 30 years in the Russian Federation. In addition, everyone chooses food for themselves - for some reason I personally prefer smart Hollywood products.
        3. your1970
          your1970 24 December 2018 11: 19
          0
          Quote: Ancestors from the Don
          We need a ban at least for the next decades on remakes of films about the Second World War, it WILL NOT be better than the one filmed in the USSR, let's educate young people on "Young Guard", "Only old people go to battle", "Kingfisher", "They fought for the Motherland", "Zvezda" , the epic "Liberation", "Blockade", ... ……… .. otherwise we will get a stupid Hollywood society without a clan and tribe.

          Yeah, as well as on tankers and dogs, 17 moments, special forces and other films that do not have a documentary basis. No ...
          The Dovzhenko studio was especially distinguished by this
          And in Soviet times, they shot mountains of stupid slag ....
          By the way, that’s why everyone who spits remembers total 5 - 10 movies.
          Only in 1975 about 60 films about the war were shot, but they don’t remember them, despite the consultants and so on
      2. LSA57
        LSA57 23 December 2018 13: 23
        +5
        Quote: Andrey591
        And The Living and the Dead?

        I was just a kid. Parents took me to the premiere of this film. There were front-line soldiers in the hall. They looked and cried...
      3. adma
        adma 23 December 2018 13: 30
        +7
        And "In war as in war"?
    2. AUL
      AUL 23 December 2018 12: 40
      +3
      I wonder if any of the commentators here watched this movie? Or, like, "I have not read, but I condemn"?
      PS I’m not saying anything about the film itself - I didn’t look ...
      1. ancestors from Don
        ancestors from Don 23 December 2018 12: 52
        +19
        Many of those who comment are already far beyond ..... they still found real front-line soldiers, they studied in textbooks which described the exploits of pioneer heroes, they were brought up in films of good ... .... they have the right to their opinion!
        1. AUL
          AUL 23 December 2018 12: 55
          +3
          I totally agree with you! I just want to ask - did they watch this film in order to make up their opinion (and not the author of the article) about it?
          1. ancestors from Don
            ancestors from Don 23 December 2018 13: 01
            +16
            So by the way, I had the honor to attend a meeting with a person who personally talked with the pilot Mikhail Petrovich Devyatayev and wrote a book about him, it would be a masterpiece if they shot a film about those events, this is the only case in the whole war when a fascist captured a hijacked plane .
            1. Errr
              Errr 23 December 2018 14: 03
              +2
              But not these "masters of Russian cinema".
            2. thinker
              thinker 23 December 2018 22: 42
              0
              it would be a masterpiece if they shot a film about those events

              I don't know about the masterpiece, but you can see it - "Escape to the Sky" 2014.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 23 December 2018 13: 54
            +2
            Quote: AUL
            I just want to ask - did they watch this film in order to make up their opinion (and not the author of the article) about it?

            If, as the article says:
            . According to him, the "stupid" Germans, having put the Russian crew in the tank, provided for ammunition and fuel, "without any expectation" that the tankers could cause them any trouble. And, of course, they did not provide for any protective measures. And in pursuit of the escaped tank, instead of a pair of attack aircraft, other tanks were sent.

            And I'm not going to watch. I watched "Lark".
          3. Errr
            Errr 23 December 2018 14: 05
            +4
            It’s not strange, even a commercial was enough for me. Yearning.
            1. Slinqshot
              Slinqshot 23 December 2018 19: 06
              +2
              I agree. I saw Petrov’s mediocre face - and realized that the film was y.
          4. loki565
            loki565 23 December 2018 14: 18
            -5
            Our viewer has not had his own opinion for a long time, what the badkomidian will say to them, then they will cluck))) "I have not read it, but I condemn"
      2. Megamarcel
        Megamarcel 23 December 2018 13: 29
        +7
        One statement of the actor from this masterpiece that the film contains a lot of jokes is enough to create an understanding about this masterpiece. So what? Funny Soviet tankers with funny Germans thumped schnapps in a concentration camp and decided to arrange drag racing on tanks. Well, for fun, drive on tanks! Who is faster than the Panther or T34? What does the truth of war, feats, etc. completely incomprehensible. Do not you think that the feats of the Soviet people are not ignored by such masterpieces?
      3. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow 23 December 2018 18: 19
        +2
        I only looked at the advertisement and realized that it was "Skylark", only filmed by a person who knows about the war only from sources. Not very good. I will not watch, I'd better watch the "Lark" a few more times.
    3. VeteranVSSSR
      VeteranVSSSR 23 December 2018 18: 09
      +1
      I completely agree with you, it is better, Four Tankmen and a Dog, at least there is a real tank ...
      1. pro100y.belarus
        pro100y.belarus 24 December 2018 05: 46
        0
        Quote: VeteranVSSSR
        I completely agree with you, it is better, Four Tankmen and a Dog, at least there is a real tank ...

        But the truck - GAZ-51 greatly spoils the impression.
  4. solzh
    solzh 23 December 2018 12: 36
    +6
    Judging by the audience's assessment, the film is not worth watching. It is a pity the money allocated for the creation of these films. It would be better if this money was directed to the creation of such films as "They Fought for the Motherland", "Panfilov's 28"
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 23 December 2018 12: 53
      +6
      Quote: solzh
      Judging by the audience’s assessment, the movie is not worth watching.

      Desire beat off in advance, Herods. For this, purely subconsciously, I want to knock a tambourine on the creative class:
      1. XXXIII
        XXXIII 23 December 2018 14: 05
        +5
        Quote: Gray Brother
        Desire beat off in advance, Herods. For this, purely subconsciously, I want to knock a tambourine on the creative class:

        Hmm, with the jargon in the new films very tight ...
        By the way, the film "The Fate of Man" in 1959, the work of director Sergei Bondarchuk ... another thing, another conversation in the film .....
      2. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow 23 December 2018 18: 20
        0
        So you take a look at advertising.
    2. ancestors from Don
      ancestors from Don 23 December 2018 12: 56
      +16
      Yes so. PS It was in vain that the checkboxes of belonging to the country of residence were canceled on the site, there is simply a tacit one ... .. just going to the forum to shit with "minutes"
    3. LSA57
      LSA57 23 December 2018 13: 25
      +4
      Quote: solzh
      It would be better if this money was directed to the creation of such films as "They Fought for the Motherland", "Panfilov's 28"

      money can be sent. the only question is who will master them and how. surface response
    4. loki565
      loki565 23 December 2018 14: 15
      -4
      Judging by the audience's assessment, you are turning into a herd))) "I have not read it, but I condemn it"
      1. Slinqshot
        Slinqshot 23 December 2018 19: 09
        +4
        And you, as I understand it, at first eat a full plate of feces, and then you understand that you have eaten crap? what
        1. loki565
          loki565 23 December 2018 19: 40
          -2
          Something pulled you to shit))) here we are talking about something completely different when, when they don’t see the film, they begin to find fault with it, this is not at all right, this is an indicator of the herd instinct, her opinion completely atrophied)))
          1. Slinqshot
            Slinqshot 23 December 2018 23: 22
            0
            This is experience, my friend, experience. Enough trailer. Besides, what a good movie can be with non-actor Petrov? I haven’t seen a good movie with him yet.
    5. your1970
      your1970 24 December 2018 11: 21
      0
      Quote: solzh
      Judging by the audience's assessment, the film is not worth watching. It is a pity the money allocated for the creation of these films. It would be better if this money was directed to the creation of such films as "They Fought for the Motherland", "Panfilov's 28"

      You won’t believe it, these same people were pandering to Panfilov’s when the film was just released
  5. groom
    groom 23 December 2018 12: 40
    +9
    They got bogged down. And the deeds of their ancestors are a mockery, a game, a comedy for them. Or on purpose ... No, I don’t believe it, it is possible only due to lack of mind.
    1. Slinqshot
      Slinqshot 23 December 2018 19: 10
      -1
      Hollywood, on the contrary, looks very noble against the background of this slag - the same Fury, for example. And it’s rather the worst-case Bollywood, well spiced with anti-Soviet.
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 23 December 2018 20: 38
        +1
        Quote: Slinqshot
        Hollywood, on the contrary, looks very noble against the background of this slag - the same Fury, for example.

        laughing laughing laughing Yeah, especially when the Germans pull up armfuls of panzer fausts before the final battle, but the heroic nonsense pit dies from an infantry grenade ... wassat
        1. Slinqshot
          Slinqshot 23 December 2018 23: 01
          0
          Well, at least German fortresses do not explode due to spiders laughing
          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 24 December 2018 23: 14
            +1
            Quote: Slinqshot
            at least German fortresses do not explode due to spiders

            It was not even worth mentioning, for the Besogonovsky libel is beyond good and evil. am wassat
  6. Russia
    Russia 23 December 2018 12: 41
    +7
    After "The Lark" I was somehow reluctant to watch, all the more they brought it up as an analogy, but "White Tiger" is something, it's a "masterpiece".
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 23 December 2018 12: 48
      +9
      I was going to go to the T-34, but perhaps I will take a while and look on the Internet.
      Quote: Rusland
      "White Tiger" is something, this is a "masterpiece"

      To say the least.
    2. solzh
      solzh 23 December 2018 13: 24
      +3
      What's wrong with the White Tiger? An ordinary mystical film that does not pretend to be reality.
      Quote: Rusland
      "White Tiger" is something, it is a "masterpiece".
      1. Comrade Beria
        Comrade Beria 23 December 2018 13: 48
        +8
        Quote: solzh
        What's wrong with the White Tiger? An ordinary mystical film that does not pretend to be reality.
        Quote: Rusland
        "White Tiger" is something, it is a "masterpiece".

        No, this movie is not quite ordinary.
        Look at the finale of it, carefully listen to the text, transfer it to modern realities, and then everything will fall into place.


        I at one time could not understand the films of Tarkovsky, awareness came later, when there was a time for awareness.
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 23 December 2018 20: 09
          +1
          I agree with your position.
      2. XXXIII
        XXXIII 23 December 2018 13: 51
        +3
        Quote: solzh
        What's wrong with the White Tiger? An ordinary mystical film that does not pretend to be reality.

        I also don't understand what's wrong with this film! The film tells about a completely different principle of war, where the enemy shows that he is invulnerable and invincible, a ghost, and the film shows the opposite, they beat and kill the best soldiers of the Wehrmacht. The film "White Tiger" reflects the essence of psychological warfare, do not be afraid, beat the enemy, victory will be ours ..... how so .... hi
        1. AUL
          AUL 23 December 2018 14: 59
          0
          Quote: XXXIII
          I also do not understand what is wrong in this film!
          If we consider this film as a military action movie - then yes, complete nonsense. But this is not such a simple film, it is not so primitive, on the forehead, it must be perceived. This is a philosophical parable on the theme of war, the film must be comprehended, not just watched.
      3. Russia
        Russia 23 December 2018 14: 05
        +3
        Do you usually have it in life like that, reality doesn’t attract?
        1. solzh
          solzh 23 December 2018 14: 07
          0
          Honestly, I did not understand your question ...
          1. Russia
            Russia 23 December 2018 14: 22
            +3
            It just doesn’t attract me mysticism regarding the past war, I think you too. hi
            1. solzh
              solzh 23 December 2018 14: 24
              +1
              Now I understand ... Sunday, rest ...wink drinks
              1. Russia
                Russia 23 December 2018 14: 27
                +3
                Good luck, happy new year! laughing drinks
            2. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 25 December 2018 09: 32
              0
              Quote: Rusland
              It just doesn’t attract me mysticism regarding the past war, I think you too. hi

              Oh my, what kind of mysticism is this? This is a film about UNCONTINUOUS Nazism! Is Nazism Existing Today - Is It Mysticism? The white tiger is back! Can indicate a country with a resurgent Nazism?
              Naydenov felt Nazism (white tiger) with all the "fibers of his soul" and therefore found it and knocked it out. You do not feel it, Nazism, and if there are more people like you than people like Naydenov, there will be trouble.
    3. IL-18
      IL-18 23 December 2018 20: 52
      0
      The white tiger aroused my surprise in 2012, to put it mildly. But after the Maidan, somehow the perception has changed. Hoax has become a reality.
  7. Piramidon
    Piramidon 23 December 2018 12: 44
    +10
    Well, everything is ... whistles. Soviet cinema was one of the best. I can not name a single normal post-Soviet film. Not even able to make remakes. They can only spoil.
    1. Chilean Abalon
      Chilean Abalon 23 December 2018 12: 58
      +12
      In August 44, is it a bad movie?
      1. Andrey Chistyakov
        Andrey Chistyakov 23 December 2018 13: 05
        +16
        Quote: Locos
        In August 44, is it a bad movie?

        The movie is good. But the book is just a masterpiece !!!! I expected more from the film, to be honest. By the way, the author of the book was not satisfied with the film. Peace be upon him.
        1. oldzek
          oldzek 23 December 2018 13: 21
          +7
          absolutely agree! the film simply does not reach the book, or rather the director to the writer. because Bogomolov was a front-line soldier and wrote about what he saw. in order to convey his experiences, you need to be the same front-line soldier or have Tarkovsky's talent. Do you remember "Ivan's childhood"?
          1. Andrey Chistyakov
            Andrey Chistyakov 23 December 2018 13: 22
            +2
            Quote: oldzek
            absolutely agree! the film simply does not reach the book, or rather the director to the writer. because Bogomolov was a front-line soldier and wrote about what he saw. in order to convey his experiences, you need to be the same front-line soldier or have Tarkovsky's talent. Do you remember "Ivan's childhood"?

            Yes, I looked. Great movie.
        2. LSA57
          LSA57 23 December 2018 13: 29
          +2
          Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
          But the book is just a masterpiece !!!!

          I just served in the SA. the book just came out. I don’t remember how she got to us. I was 18 to read)
      2. Sobol
        Sobol 23 December 2018 13: 11
        +2
        Quote: Locos
        In August 44, is it a bad movie?

        In my opinion, Great movie.
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 23 December 2018 22: 54
          0
          The film sucks, except for the Galkin game. How can I put a gay man to play Alekhine, the commander of the SMERSH group?
      3. krops777
        krops777 23 December 2018 13: 19
        +2
        In August 44, is it a bad movie?


        And also the movie "Star". The Belarusians removed the "Dnieper frontier". Great films.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 23 December 2018 13: 33
          +3
          Quote: krops777
          And also the movie "Star".

          The first "Star" in 1949 is still better.
          https://www.culture.ru/movies/699/zvezda
          1. AUL
            AUL 23 December 2018 15: 12
            0
            Quote: Piramidon
            The first "Star" in 1949 is still better.

            Well, when was the remake better than the original? I don’t remember that.
            1. your1970
              your1970 24 December 2018 11: 51
              0
              Quote: AUL
              Quote: Piramidon
              The first "Star" in 1949 is still better.

              Well, when was the remake better than the original? I don’t remember that.

              "True Lie" is better than the original French old
        2. Tamek
          Tamek 24 December 2018 19: 53
          +1
          Dneprovsky line - 1 place
      4. Piramidon
        Piramidon 23 December 2018 13: 29
        +5
        Quote: Locos
        In August 44, is it a bad movie?

        I agree. The film is good, but it is rather the "inertia" of the remnants of Soviet cinema. But he is still far from Bogomolov's book.
      5. iaroslav.mudryi
        iaroslav.mudryi 23 December 2018 14: 04
        +8
        Quote: Locos
        In August 44, is it a bad movie?

        The movie is good. But the book is just a masterpiece !!!! I expected more from the film, to be honest. By the way, the author of the book was not satisfied with the film. Peace be upon him.

        For me personally, the novel “The Moment of Truth (In August of the 44)” by V. Bogomolov is the book number 1.
        Like many, he was also waiting for the release of the film, but alas, the film clearly does not reach the novel, although I still watch it with interest. Here is what Bogomolov said, demanding that his name be removed from the credits of the film:
        .... the characters lost their psychological characteristics, the thought process went away, due to the withdrawal or stenching of most episodes and shots, sometimes absurd inconsistencies and absurdities appeared, while the picture was devoid of semantic skewer, it turned out to be a primitive action movie with an image of a particular case, which does not correspond at all to the content a novel.

        By the way, the first attempt to film the book in 1975 in general ended unsuccessfully - the picture was closed ...
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 23 December 2018 17: 45
          +2
          Quote: iaroslav.mudryi
          For me personally, the novel “The Moment of Truth (In August of the 44)” by V. Bogomolov is the book number 1.

          Actually, their two versions - the story "In August 44" and the novel "Moment of Truth", have differences, rearranged parts, slightly different conclusions.
          Cinema - I have - nothing at all next to them.
          1. WapentakeLokki
            WapentakeLokki 23 December 2018 18: 52
            0
            And in more detail - I read "In August 44" and ... did not pay attention to "The Moment of Truth" and yet there is a difference in the ending (in my opinion there ... the grandmother came ... no?) And what there about the conclusions?
            PS For a long time I was looking for the continuation of August 44, but ... how unfortunate that the author did not reach it, but it’s not Poselyagin.
            1. sogdy
              sogdy 23 December 2018 19: 25
              0
              Quote: WapentakeLokki
              And detail

              Two texts are taken, a comparison program ...
              The first one was published in "Podvig", the second was redone for the publishing house, especially sharp corners were cut.
              The first option is the work of Smersh, akin to ours.
              The second option (100Kb more in the text) is "ah, experiences" commendation. Dissatisfaction and doubts about the adequacy. Pachimuta, I didn't believe the second option right away. Both versions are published. Translated - I have met only the first.
          2. iaroslav.mudryi
            iaroslav.mudryi 23 December 2018 19: 47
            +2
            Quote: sogdy
            Quote: iaroslav.mudryi
            For me personally, the novel “The Moment of Truth (In August of the 44)” by V. Bogomolov is the book number 1.

            Actually, their two versions - the story "In August 44" and the novel "Moment of Truth", have differences, rearranged parts, slightly different conclusions.


            Dear sogdy (sogdy), not for the sake of an argument, but for the sake of of truth I suggest that you familiarize yourself with the writer's personal archive about the history of writing and the difficulties of the first publications of the novel, which had three working names and one conditional at the reviewing stages. The story of the publication of the novel is generally an almost detective story that can be published as a separate book. So by the names:
            “Killed during detention ...” (first conventional name)
            1) "Take them all! .." (first working title)
            2) "In August, the forty-fourth ..." (second working title)
            3) “The Moment of Truth” (the third working title of V. Bogomolov considered it to be the main one),

            From a conversation between the author and the head of the culture department of the Central Committee of the CPSU, I. S. Chernoutsan:
            Igor Sergeevich laughed about the autographs on the margins and editing the style: “Dubye!”, And categorically regarding the comments: “You should not accept optional amendments that could weaken the work. Here we will support you. ” When publishing, he advised me to take the second title of the novel, instead of “Take them all! ..” (“detective work, not serious”) - “In August forty-fourth ...”, although he also didn’t like it, because would have echoed with Solzhenitsyn's "August Fourteenth." I suggested the third - “The moment of truth”but I.S. Chernoutsan thoughtfully remarked: “Time out.” Because of one name they will stand on their hind legs, wind up, you will have to write another 50 pages of justification and what do you mean by that. Restore later. Now you have more important tasks. ”

            Therefore, the first publication of the novel was published in the magazine "New World" in 1974 with the title "In August forty-fourth ..."

            But...............

            In the 1979 year, as JS Chernoutsan recommended insightfully in the 1974 year, I can easily restored the main title of the novel “Moment of Truth”, and he must have indicated in brackets (“In August the forty-fourth ...”), giving a transcript of the concept of “Moment of Truth” as “the moment of receiving information that helps to establish the truth”; this title most succinctly and accurately reflected the essence of the novel.


            I think it makes no sense to go against the words of the author himself.

            PS I’ll add that from 1974 to 2018, there were 67 editions of the novel, of which 8 with the title “In August forty-fourth ...”, mainly until 1979 and 59 of the year with the main title
            "Moment of Truth", among which there were many with a double name, where "In August forty-fourth ..." went in parentheses by the second name.

            Sources archive:
            https://on-island.net/Literature/Bogomolov/Bogomol.htm#_Toc184225479

            all editions of the novel:
            https://www.livelib.ru/book/221653/editions
            1. sogdy
              sogdy 23 December 2018 19: 58
              0
              Quote: iaroslav.mudryi
              1) "Take them all! .." (first working title)

              This is from a collection like "On land and at sea".
              Problem - A VERY incomplete story is given.
              My book is in Bulgarian. Polish presented to the Poles. Russian, if cho.
              1. iaroslav.mudryi
                iaroslav.mudryi 23 December 2018 20: 59
                0
                Quote: sogdy
                Quote: iaroslav.mudryi
                1) "Take them all! .." (first working title)

                This is from a collection like "On land and at sea".
                Problem - A VERY incomplete story is given.
                My book is in Bulgarian. Polish presented to the Poles. Russian, if cho.


                It's not about the collections ... The FULL history of the creation and publication of the famous novel is published by the link from my previous post. This archive was printed in one volume with the novel.
                Bogomolov Vladimir Osipovich
                Moment of the truth
                (In August, forty-fourth ...)
                [1] Bogomolov V.O. Favorites. - M.: Friendship of Peoples, 1996, ss. 5-386 .;
                [2] Bogomolov V.O. Moment of Truth. - M .: Vagrius CJSC, 2007. - 704 sec. - Circulation 5000 copies. isbn 978 – 5 – 9697 – 0398 – 8.

                Publisher's abstract: The works of Vladimir Osipovich Bogomolov (1926-2003) were included in the golden fund of Russian literature of the twentieth century, and the famous novel “The Moment of Truth (August forty-fourth ...)” was unanimously recognized as one of the best books about the Great Patriotic War. But the story of the creation and publication of the novel for a long time remained unknown to readers ... For the first time in one volume, the text of the novel is published (with the appendix of the chapter never printed) and the diary and working notes and letters associated with it. These unique materials from the archive of V. O. Bogomolov, prepared for publication by his widow Raisa Aleksandrovna Glushko, shed light on many secrets of life and work of one of the most “closed”, “mysterious” writers of our time.

                source of electronic publication:
                http://militera.lib.ru/prose/russian/bogomolov/index.html

                I am not familiar with foreign editions of the novel, although the widow of the writer writes there:
                In the thirty years since the first publication of the novel, more than one hundred (or more precisely - 114) of its publications in more than fifty languages ​​of the world have already been published.
                1. sogdy
                  sogdy 24 December 2018 12: 13
                  0
                  Quote: iaroslav.mudryi
                  The link from my previous post published the FULL story of the creation and publication of the famous novel.

                  To which I replied that you are greatly mistaken and your information is very incomplete.
      6. VeteranVSSSR
        VeteranVSSSR 23 December 2018 20: 51
        0
        Sorry, but what about the movie you are talking about, how do I know they were shot as a minimum of THREE?
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 24 December 2018 12: 20
          0
          1975, 2001
          Which third? The search gives only when specifying the year.
    2. dvina71
      dvina71 23 December 2018 13: 09
      +2
      28 Panfilovtsev, White Tiger .. This is for a voyage .. I remembered.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 23 December 2018 17: 46
        0
        "Saboteur"?
    3. Slinqshot
      Slinqshot 23 December 2018 19: 14
      -1
      Balabanov sometimes could. Although he also occasionally came out anti-Soviet - like Cargo 200.
  8. mag nit
    mag nit 23 December 2018 12: 44
    +4
    Only they can shoot parodies of the masterpieces of Soviet cinema.
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 23 December 2018 13: 29
      0
      Quote: mag nit
      Only they can shoot parodies to the masterpieces of Soviet cinema.

      you can’t say better good
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 23 December 2018 16: 32
      +1
      Quote: mag nit
      Only they can shoot parodies of the masterpieces of Soviet cinema.

      So we have the whole country - a parody. But not even to the Soviet Union.
    3. your1970
      your1970 24 December 2018 11: 57
      0
      Quote: mag nit
      Only they can shoot parodies of the masterpieces of Soviet cinema.

      As well as NOT masterpieces of Soviet cinema ... on the "Special Purpose Unit" for example ....
  9. bmv04636
    bmv04636 23 December 2018 12: 54
    +14
    The story of “The Lark” was based on the play of playwright Samuil Aleshin, and the script was written by two front-line poets - Sergey Orlov and Mikhail Dudin. Dudin during the war worked in front-line newspapers, including in besieged Leningrad. Orlov had a chance to fight on the very “front end” - in the fighter battalion of the people's militia of the city of Belozersk, recruited from student volunteers. After several months of fighting, Orlov was sent to the Chelyabinsk Tank School, after which he fought on heavy KV tanks as a platoon commander of the 33rd Guards Separate Tank Breakthrough Regiment. Orlov knew firsthand the fate of the tankers, and therefore with pleasure took up the unusual work of scriptwriting.

    As for Alyoshin, he did not “dig up” the story of the “escaped” tank - earlier, the Soviet writer Lev Romanovich Sheinin used the same plot to write the script for the television movie “General Guderian’s Error”. However, he also drew a plot for his script from the press - on September 8, 1963 (on Tanker’s Day), the newspaper Pravda published a note entitled “Captain’s Feat”, in which its author G. Mironov talked about a captured Soviet officer who crushed several of his “thirty-four” German guns at an enemy training ground. As stated in the note, the impudent captive was caught and brought to General Heinz Guderian, who was present at the trial, and he said, “You are the best tanker I have ever seen. That is why ... ”he shot a brave captain. The author of the publication referred to the recollections of the senior educator of the Moscow boarding school No. 69 of the major reserve Alexander Ushakov - there was no other evidence stated.
    1. AUL
      AUL 23 December 2018 15: 15
      0
      A similar plot was played in the unforgettable TV series "Three Poles, a Georgian and a Dog"
  10. Berg berg
    Berg berg 23 December 2018 12: 54
    +3
    The next alteration of the Soviet film "Skylark" will certainly not be done better, but we'll see. There are already alterations of "The Dawns Here Are Quiet" and "Prisoner of the Caucasus", but maybe today's young people need to have "stars" in color, from House -2 or Youth. Yes, and so that there are more computer graphics, friends from the GDR no longer.
    1. lopuhan2006
      lopuhan2006 23 December 2018 13: 33
      0
      It's funny .... If on a booth of a certain type it is written that you will see brown in the hole, you need to make sure that this is so?
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    2. loki565
      loki565 23 December 2018 14: 10
      -2
      This is a modern trend, 80% of Hollywood films are remakes of sometime popular ones. By the way, modern And the dawns here are quiet, quite a good movie.
      1. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow 23 December 2018 18: 26
        0
        I could not squeeze a tear.
      2. Berg berg
        Berg berg 24 December 2018 11: 24
        0
        It may not be bad, but I will personally watch the old version of the film!
  11. Legend
    Legend 23 December 2018 12: 58
    +9
    By the way, cinemas are being restored throughout Russia .. Domestic films will be played in the provinces!
    And the people and most importantly the children go there .. Here is our answer to the liberals!

    There is such a profession to defend the homeland, in Russia! And you can’t pick it out in our souls in our souls bastards .. soldier
    1. Berg berg
      Berg berg 23 December 2018 13: 36
      +2
      Therefore, you will not be able to disfigure our Soviet films with white-tape-liberal twa! These are films of our childhood and not for you to mutilate them!
    2. Berg berg
      Berg berg 23 December 2018 13: 38
      +2
      And yet the supplement does not need to stick on our childhood films, watch your favorite Hollywood!
  12. Evil echo
    Evil echo 23 December 2018 13: 08
    +6
    Of all the films in recent years, only "Territory" and "28 Panfilov's men" can be ignored. And also "Masha and the Bear".
    1. Crane
      Crane 23 December 2018 13: 12
      -2
      need to ask Cameron, he will be able, the country will weep
  13. Ural-4320
    Ural-4320 23 December 2018 13: 11
    +13
    Quote: adma
    The fashion for the tank theme was born, in my opinion, by WOT. Therefore, the films were shot for gamers and do not care about the historical accuracy! So we get some kind of fantasy nonsense in the form of "White Tigers", "Indestructible", "Tanks", etc.
    SAD ....

    I got to see the film "White Tiger" on TV. I looked to the end, and realized that it reflected the allegory of the battle of the USSR with fascism. The finale of the film, where our tanker rushes in pursuit of the Tiger, and there is something that was not done to the end in 45 - they did not press on to the last fascist. It may sound bloodthirsty, but this is a historical fact. All this riffraff has spread across countries and is being reborn. Remember the words of Müller where the revival of the Reich will begin.
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 23 December 2018 15: 40
      +3
      At the end of the film (White Tiger) Naydenov says - I can’t vouch for accuracy 0 As long as the white tiger is alive, sooner or later it will come out, and there will be war again. Ukraine and the Baltic states an example.
    2. sogdy
      sogdy 23 December 2018 18: 04
      -1
      Quote: Ural-4320
      and there is something that they did not do until the end in the year 45 - they did not finish the last fascist.

      Do not know why the antifascism project was carefully covered? Like antifa later? Because the hunter becomes worse than the beast.
  14. Horse, people and soul
    Horse, people and soul 23 December 2018 13: 11
    +1
    The viewer missed the real historical tanks in the movies. The plywood hulls of "Tigers" on the T-64 with Mikhalkovsky banners with a swastika have already gotten everyone.
    1. your1970
      your1970 24 December 2018 12: 02
      0
      And in what SOVIET film did you see real historical GERMAN tanks? Or ours, KV or BT?
      34-85- shoved everywhere, even in 1941
  15. sabakina
    sabakina 23 December 2018 13: 13
    +11
    Timur: “As usual, they licked and made a fairy tale. Watch "Lark" - this is a movie! ".
    Long thought what to answer ... When I watched "The Dawns Here Are Quiet", I always cried. I cried because those girls could not give birth, because they died in their HOMELAND! And the film "Lark" ... As long as WE are alive, we will not be defeated!

    And about the "Pans" ...
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 23 December 2018 13: 38
      +3
      Quote: sabakina
      .When I watched "The Dawns Here Are Quiet", I always cried. I cried because those girls could not give birth, because they died in their HOMELAND!

      and here I was crying
  16. lopuhan2006
    lopuhan2006 23 December 2018 13: 13
    +5
    Another vyser from "brilliant" creative larvae. I have no thoughts of my own, lick off strangers and pass off as my own! Well, that's what they are. The level of the herd that will watch this is amazing ...
    1. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 23 December 2018 13: 18
      -4
      you look at your level before you say something in a similar tone. I will take the child. if reality does not converge, this does not mean bad. it’s just different. all the more personal conclusions must be done by looking.
      1. lopuhan2006
        lopuhan2006 23 December 2018 15: 30
        +6
        Nda, Fox Alice and Cat Basilio hysterically cluttered at such comments. The lesson is evident not for the future. I wish you a happy viewing, just don’t tell your child that there was such a war. I show my: They fought for their homeland, hot snow, and so on. The eldest looked at Ordinary Fascism, but I had no idea to offer her these base crafts. But did you get the feeling that they are pulling the truth out of the past in such a way through such films? Show the children Go and see, the impression will be as intelligible as possible. War is not a comedy for our country ....
        1. bukhach
          bukhach 23 December 2018 18: 11
          -2
          Do you also treat Soviet comedy films about the war with such dislike? I hope you don’t need to remind them of their names? For example, those where the mistress of the "alarm clock" was filmed, her kingdom is heavenly.
        2. your1970
          your1970 24 December 2018 12: 07
          0
          Quote: lopuhan2006
          War is not a comedy for our country ...

          And "Die Hard" in 1967 is apparently a tragedy .... And the Germans there are so specific, but what about jo, tea, not a comedy !!!
          And there were such films in the USSR
    2. Crane
      Crane 23 December 2018 13: 19
      +8
      nobody even remembered a movie about self-propelled guns. In war it’s like in war. This is where power is, not in joules.
    3. loki565
      loki565 23 December 2018 14: 02
      -2
      Have you watched it? So the herd is you "did not read, but I condemn"
      1. lopuhan2006
        lopuhan2006 23 December 2018 16: 33
        0
        This is intuition))) And vyser do not call. Well, all in a row to watch, the Capercaillie to help ........ the pig will find dirt everywhere.
        1. loki565
          loki565 23 December 2018 16: 46
          -2
          The words of a driven person who does not have an opinion))) To talk about something, you need to at least look at it, otherwise it is also almost better than vyser)))
      2. albert
        albert 23 December 2018 19: 23
        +2
        Quote: loki565
        Have you watched it? So the herd is you "did not read, but I condemn"

        Mein Camp, too, has not been read by many, but condemn. As for "I did not look, I did not look" - if there is something on the floor that looks like guano, smelling like it, a normal person does not need to taste it, everything is so clear. films about the Second World War.
        1. loki565
          loki565 23 December 2018 19: 42
          -2
          You, like herds, have the same shit comments))) I’ll notice everything is better than shit they didn’t come up with, is it really such a short-sighted thinking)))
        2. Sergei71
          Sergei71 25 December 2018 10: 45
          0
          Mine Camp, too, many have not read, but condemn

          Haha, made laugh. From this point of view, I did not consider the issue. wink
  17. Megamarcel
    Megamarcel 23 December 2018 13: 17
    +12
    Gentlemen, producers and directors can shoot at least xxx against the background of the tank, but at their own loot. Films shot at public expense should be of high quality. If not, then let the loot return and remove what they can best, that is, xxx. I can imagine what would happen with this whole gop team along with the main ruble police officer in Stalin's times. In the best case, we would have left the forest in sunny Kolyma with a jigsaw. And that would be right. Harm your xxx state - in shackles and atone for guilt by hard work. Instead of money going to real culture, they go to xxx. And then all sorts of functionaries shrug their hands that there is no money for museums and normal films. So where do they come from with this approach.
    1. loki565
      loki565 23 December 2018 14: 00
      -1
      The fact that they pay back and go, but you probably know better from the sofa)))
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 23 December 2018 18: 10
        -1
        Quote: loki565
        What pays off and goes

        Loki, this is no longer a "market". The money of the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Emergencies was spent on IT
        1. loki565
          loki565 23 December 2018 18: 15
          -1
          they just don’t give anything to anyone, if you look at the projects, almost all of them paid off, so not one pensioner was hurt)))
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 23 December 2018 18: 50
            -1
            Quote: loki565
            they don’t give anything to anyone

            Objective: education of defenders and rescuers. Mission accomplished?
            1. loki565
              loki565 23 December 2018 18: 51
              -1
              it's better than nothing
              1. sogdy
                sogdy 23 December 2018 19: 15
                -1
                Who wants to feed someone else's army?
      2. Megamarcel
        Megamarcel 24 December 2018 08: 25
        +2
        The phrase that put the cart in front of the horse: "That which pays off there and go." But in fact, the viewer will not go to such a slag, which means there will be no recoupment. Even in terms of justification, your argumentation is confusing. And yes. Such a creation should be viewed on the couch and in rewind. To spend twice the taxpayer's money on this xxx is too much.
    2. your1970
      your1970 24 December 2018 12: 10
      0
      Quote: MegaMarcel
      at best, we would leave a sunny forest in Kolyma with a jigsaw. And that would be right. Harm your xxx state - in shackles and atone for guilt by hard work. Instead of money going to

      Yeah ..... And Korolev went to redeem himself ........ with both broken jaws .....
      Released here it is not clear why?
  18. jonht
    jonht 23 December 2018 13: 19
    +2
    The class didn’t look, didn’t read, but they said, they wrote ... But my opinion and it is the only HERE is correct.
    Of all the films scented here, half were good, but many simply did not watch them, but they screamed at their mouths. I do not argue that they remove a lot of trash, but to judge a film without watching it at least has no opinion.
  19. Ural-4320
    Ural-4320 23 December 2018 13: 21
    +1
    Quote: Ancestors from the Don
    So by the way, I had the honor to attend a meeting with a person who personally talked with the pilot Mikhail Petrovich Devyatayev and wrote a book about him, it would be a masterpiece if they shot a film about those events, this is the only case in the whole war when a fascist captured a hijacked plane .

    Can you imagine how many special effects will be crammed at the moment where Devyatayev jumped into a moving plane? And this in no way will convey the efforts that the prisoner had to make to escape. This is not Indiana Jones hanging in front of a truck wheel.
  20. Ural-4320
    Ural-4320 23 December 2018 13: 26
    +1
    Quote: Horse, people and soul
    The viewer missed the real historical tanks in the movies. The plywood hulls of "Tigers" on the T-64 with Mikhalkovsky banners with a swastika have already gotten everyone.

    And where are you the real T-3, T-4, Tigers take? They were made plywood from the T-44 and others in the USSR.
    Or T-34-85 at the beginning of the war in the movie do not bother? Where can I get a running tank the same age as the events in the film? And the ZILs were in the frames, and the Urals-375, and the BTR-40 along with the BTR-152. Now it’s easier - you can make a huge radio-controlled layout with full detail, and take it.
    1. Tochilka
      Tochilka 23 December 2018 15: 59
      +2
      Scallop in 28 Panfilov’s, took and did.
    2. Megamarcel
      Megamarcel 24 December 2018 08: 53
      +1
      Kubinka and some other museums have equipment. And if another part of the proceeds from the filming is directed to restoration needs, then it will be even more. For some reason, there was equipment for the "Battlefield" festival, but for the mega cool blockbuster there was no equipment ... Strange ...
  21. HAM
    HAM 23 December 2018 13: 31
    +3
    A bit not about the film, but about modern "patriotic" cinema: I constantly have one question when watching films about the war - who then fought, caught enemy spies, smashed gangs, drove the Abwehr by the nose, etc., if the Chekists, SMERSH, are they almost always portrayed as bastards and careerists in modern films?
  22. iaroslav.mudryi
    iaroslav.mudryi 23 December 2018 13: 36
    +2
    I can't judge the T-34 movie without watching it, so I'm waiting for the premiere. But according to the plot, it is, of course, a remake of the Soviet film "Skylark" of 1964, undeservedly forgotten. TV "Zvezda" periodically shows him and other wonderful Soviet half-forgotten films about the Second World War, it is a pity that only on the night air. So before the premiere:

    1) viewing Lark is REQUIRED!)


    2) about how the legend of the "escaped thirty-four" was born, and how the truth about these exploits was collected bit by bit (there were several of them), and how the script of the film "Skylark" was born read
    here:
    https://warspot.ru/3461-legenda-o-sbezhavshey-tridtsatchetvyorke
    and here:
    http://old.redstar.ru/2009/05/06_05/2_02.html

    3) after that, you can go to the T-34 premiere!
  23. Errr
    Errr 23 December 2018 13: 44
    0
    It seems that Hollywood is already sobbing and beating in hysterics. So they need it! Pupils surpassed their teachers !!! wassat
  24. for
    for 23 December 2018 13: 48
    +1
    No need to shoot filming remakes of Soviet films, especially about the Second World War. Let them shoot about modern ones, at least a little, but they are.
  25. Conductor
    Conductor 23 December 2018 13: 49
    0
    I didn’t look, but I condemn.
  26. loki565
    loki565 23 December 2018 13: 56
    -1
    Our viewers have long had no opinion that the poor-media will tell them that they will be happy to cluck))) Yes, many of our films do not reach the Soviet ones, but good films also haunt them. The main merit in this belongs to the reviewers on YouTube, for them it is just a hype contet. After all, there are always more views on the video where they scold the film than where they praise it. It is sad....
  27. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 23 December 2018 14: 04
    +1
    I won’t watch this film, I’m already tired of it as an advertisement. And I hate advertising.
  28. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 23 December 2018 14: 09
    -7
    Another nonsense of Putin's generation!
    1. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 23 December 2018 14: 37
      +5
      Do you prefer Yeltsin?
  29. Sergelis
    Sergelis 23 December 2018 14: 19
    +6
    Unreliability sinned at all times.
    On Saturday, I watched a Soviet film about the creator of the T-34, M.I. Koshkin, on Culture.
    So there in the 1940 year went the T-34-85.
    It is not clear that they could not find the 2 workers of the T-34-76?
    1. iaroslav.mudryi
      iaroslav.mudryi 23 December 2018 14: 33
      +5
      Quote: Sergelis
      Unreliability sinned at all times.
      On Saturday, I watched a Soviet film about the creator of the T-34, M.I. Koshkin, on Culture.
      So there in the 1940 year went the T-34-85.
      It is not clear that they could not find the 2 workers of the T-34-76?

      Sergelis (Sergey) especially for you:

      One of the main characters of the film is the T-34-76 tank of the 1942 model of the year.
      Shot from the film "The Lark" (1964 year)
      Especially for filming at the Lenfilm film studio, a rather rare T-34-76 model of the 1942 model of the year with a stamped tower, which was popularly known as the “nut” for its hexagonal shape, was restored.
      Link to the film "Lark" in my post above.
      1. iaroslav.mudryi
        iaroslav.mudryi 23 December 2018 14: 37
        +3

        The T-34-76 tank of the 1942 model of the year crushes the German anti-tank gun 7,5 cm PaK 97 / 38
        Shot from the film "The Lark" (1964 year)
      2. iaroslav.mudryi
        iaroslav.mudryi 23 December 2018 14: 37
        +5

        Soviet tanker runs to save a German boy, the tank rolls behind him at idle
        Shot from the film "The Lark" (1964 year)
      3. Sergelis
        Sergelis 23 December 2018 14: 54
        +3
        So I never doubt that in 1964 the T-34-76 was enough and the reliability was complete.
        I wrote about the 1980 film - Chief Designer.

        The history of the creation of the T-34 tank in the pre-war years by Soviet designer M. I. Koshkin. Winter of 1940. Before the start of World War II, 16 months remained. The country urgently needed modern and reliable weapons. At one of the military factories, the young designer Mikhail Koshkin is appointed the head of the design bureau. Having accepted the design bureau, he carried away everyone with his new project of the T-34 tank. Two demonstration vehicles were created, but for some reason they were deleted from the application for showing new tanks in the Kremlin. To prove the perfection of his model, Koshkin decides to go on his own to Moscow
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 23 December 2018 19: 06
          0
          Quote: Sergelis
          The history of the creation of the T-34 tank in the pre-war years by Soviet designer M. I. Koshkin. Winter of 1940. Before the start of World War II, 16 months remained.

          The third shock tank was from the T-34. However, 1938, the book "Far in the East", Simonov.

          "From 1929 to 1934 he studied at the Machine-Building Institute of Leningrad. After graduating from the institute, Mikhail Ilyich worked for two and a half years in the tank design bureau of the Leningrad plant named after S.M. Kirov. Quite quickly, from the position of an ordinary designer, he reached the deputy head of the design bureau. participation in the creation of the new T-46-5 tank received the Order of the Red Star.Koshkin's first independent project was not very successful - the BT-9 tank created under his leadership was rejected in 1937 due to design errors and inconsistency with the requirements of the assignment. project of the T-1938 tank. Based on the results of the first tests, it was decided to make two tanks with reinforced armor. In early March 34, Koshkin went from Kharkov to Moscow with two T-1940 tanks "under his own power."

          Source: http://www.calend.ru/person/2656/
          © Calend.ru
          Quote: Sergelis
          1980 film - Chief Designer

          The film has a second title "The Creation of Armor". If anything, in Kharkov the Paton Institute. Is this about GK Paton?
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  31. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 23 December 2018 14: 22
    +6
    Quote: AKuzenka
    .... "The Dawns Here Are Quiet", "Skylark", "They Fought for the Motherland", they will remember and watch as long as modern Russian civilization is alive.

    One of the best and most truthful films about the Second World War - "In war as in war"! Here is a movie that future war filmmakers should look up to so that it isn't just another Hollywood-style Fantasy.
  32. Sergey M. Karasev
    Sergey M. Karasev 23 December 2018 14: 23
    -2
    Another very good post-Soviet film about the Second World War - "Brest Fortress".
  33. gla172
    gla172 23 December 2018 14: 31
    +1
    ... Here is a "lark" this is a movie !!!
  34. Million
    Million 23 December 2018 14: 43
    +1
    Which state is such and cinema ...
  35. Azazelo
    Azazelo 23 December 2018 14: 43
    +3
    Let the loot be returned - the people did not like it. Generally not clear topic with films. You get a product in the form of a movie for your money, and if the movie is shit, then for some reason no one will return the money to you. For any goods and services of lousy quality, funds can be returned, but for some reason the cinema escaped this. Where is the protection of the rights of spectators ???
    1. Bought a ticket paid loot
    2. I watched 2/3 of the Movie - you didn’t like it and you get the money back (you write a short time why you didn’t like it)
    3. I sat until the end (I enjoyed going home)

    Although, again, it will be full of people just going to the cinema for the first part, and then dumping ...
    1. WapentakeLokki
      WapentakeLokki 23 December 2018 19: 01
      +1
      In one fantastic book (God forbid, I don’t remember the name) in the country, the president has a sort of decoration hanging around his neck: a collar with a plastid and a mobile phone and ... any citizen of that country in case of “extreme dissatisfaction” with the activities of this Servant of the People, the Father of the Nation, The Great Helmsman, etc., can call from his mobile phone and activate this device ..blindness but ... the presidency, in that wonderful country, for some reason is not popular in the elections .. and for some reason, eh? ??
      PS So maybe it's better to give out to the audience on `` parabellum '' and we ask the film crew in full force to the stage, after the session and ???? Nothing that I aggravated your idea a little?
      1. Sergey M. Karasev
        Sergey M. Karasev 24 December 2018 09: 17
        +1
        This is "Ticket to Planet Tranai" by Robert Sheckley.
  36. mr.ZinGer
    mr.ZinGer 23 December 2018 14: 45
    -1
    Yes, our movie about the war did not kick only the lazy.
    Unfortunately now they are filming some kind of cowboyism. In our understanding of the entire shaft there were only two films "Brest Fortress" and "28 ....."
  37. rocket757
    rocket757 23 December 2018 14: 46
    +1
    Commerce eats up everything, even the soul, of the faint-hearted.
    They no longer know how to put their soul into their work, all the more so when they don’t require them to pay for everything and turn inside out!
    However, is there a need for non-commercial cinema in society as a whole?
    You still have to start with yourself! There will be such a need, they will be forced to try to do it qualitatively and honestly, and the skill can come to the one who has a soul.
  38. Ural-4320
    Ural-4320 23 December 2018 14: 46
    +1
    A couple of years ago, in the Kaliningrad region near the village of Berezhkovskoye, a T-34-85 was filmed for a film with the working title "The Road to Paris". Does anyone have information on the movie?
    1. iaroslav.mudryi
      iaroslav.mudryi 23 December 2018 15: 46
      +1
      Quote: Ural-4320
      A couple of years ago, in the Kaliningrad region near the village of Berezhkovskoye, a T-34-85 was filmed for a film with the working title "The Road to Paris". Does anyone have information on the movie?

      Yeah, with this movie, some muddy story of 19.08.2017 TASS reported:
      The Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation will provide financial support to the directorial debut of the famous businessman Sergei Sarkisov - a film about the Soviet warriors-winners "To Paris". The director himself said this on Saturday in an interview with TASS during the filming of one of the key scenes of the picture at the Reception House of the Russian Foreign Ministry on Spiridonovka ........................ ... Stanislav Govorukhin, Sergey Ashkenazi and Sergey Sarkisov took part in the development of the script. The release of the painting is planned to coincide with the 73 anniversary of the Victory in the Great Patriotic War. The premiere is scheduled for May 9.

      .... But the film did not come out. In June 2018, after a serious illness, Stanislav Govorukhin died, maybe something did not grow together with the debut of Sergei Sarkisov. But .... on the site Kino-Teatr.ru there is such information on the film page:
      TO PARIS (2019)
      Year 2019 (in production)

      https://www.kino-teatr.ru/kino/movie/prod/ros/127133/annot/

      There are no other details.
      1. iaroslav.mudryi
        iaroslav.mudryi 23 December 2018 16: 29
        +2
        + info about the plot of the film from RT:
        Military road musical: a film is being shot in Russia based on the history of the Hero of the Soviet Union
        https://russian.rt.com/nopolitics/article/422065-film-na-parizh-sarkisov

      2. Ural-4320
        Ural-4320 23 December 2018 16: 52
        +1
        Thanks for the movie info!
        1. iaroslav.mudryi
          iaroslav.mudryi 23 December 2018 17: 23
          0
          It's my pleasure! Thank you for the info, I myself did not know that this film was being shot hi
  39. Steel falcon
    Steel falcon 23 December 2018 14: 56
    -1
    It would be better to shoot about the Northern, Patriotic or Foreign campaign - there will be less delirium, and for the Russian consciousness they mean much more than the Second World War.
  40. Yat
    Yat 23 December 2018 15: 11
    +2
    Do not watch modern Russian cinema.
  41. standing
    standing 23 December 2018 15: 23
    -1
    The topic of escape on the ship remained unsolved ... They will be removed in a couple of years. Mexican and Indian screenwriters cry ... Oooh
  42. Tochilka
    Tochilka 23 December 2018 15: 48
    +7
    That would be to bring all the "aftorophs", mediocre actors, directors and those who are related to films about that War, to the regiment and send them in 1941 ... to gain knowledge about the war on their own skin. Mikhalkov N.S. give out the handle of a shovel and send to storm the fortified area ... Whoever remains alive until the Victory will be entrusted to shoot.
    1. mik0588
      mik0588 23 December 2018 16: 51
      +6
      What are you talking about? Yesterday was a date !!! On December 21, 1879, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin was born. More than half a century has passed since his death, and the hatred of his enemies for him does not cease. Tens of billions of dollars have been spent on its discrediting, primarily in the USSR and Russia, thousands of pseudo-historical films have been shot, mountains of lies have been piled up, thousands of “historians” are brainwashing people around the world, making Stalin a “horror story” for children.
      And even if they remembered ..... from ..........
  43. Evil 55
    Evil 55 23 December 2018 15: 56
    +3
    Before criticizing and ostracizing someone else's work, you need to do something in life yourself ..
    1. cniza
      cniza 23 December 2018 16: 05
      +2
      It's easier to criticize. yes
    2. lopuhan2006
      lopuhan2006 23 December 2018 16: 39
      -3
      Those joiner who knows how to make a table and a chair and who calls what the director made a garbage collector, and this movie the garbage dump is not worthy of the title of creator!)))
  44. cniza
    cniza 23 December 2018 16: 05
    +2
    It is not possible to discuss the film without watching it and without comprehending it.
  45. av58
    av58 23 December 2018 16: 19
    +1
    It's not about the directors, it's about the producers who go on the thumb. Hence the primitive scripts.
  46. ratan524
    ratan524 23 December 2018 16: 41
    +1
    Baryzhnya less often Sёrskaya again hid behind "real events" ...
  47. Indifferent
    Indifferent 23 December 2018 16: 53
    +1
    I wanted to see the film "T-34". I read the reviews and will definitely not watch. Moreover, I saw the "Lark" several times.
  48. Ural-4320
    Ural-4320 23 December 2018 17: 18
    +3
    Quote: LSA57
    Quote: Andrey591
    And The Living and the Dead?

    I was just a kid. Parents took me to the premiere of this film. There were front-line soldiers in the hall. They looked and cried...

    As a primary school student, I went with my parents to the premiere of the film "Victory". It seems it was a two-part series. I only remember the character of Andrei Mironov - an American who was present on the Elbe when the troops met. But for some reason I don't see any mention of this film anywhere, although there is the bitterness of the post-war destinies of the former allies.
    1. iaroslav.mudryi
      iaroslav.mudryi 23 December 2018 22: 10
      +1
      Quote: Ural-4320
      ....... But for some reason I don’t see the mention of this film anywhere, although there is the bitterness of the post-war fate of the former allies.


      Dear Ural-4320 (Konstantin), I see that no one speaks of the film Pobeda, I’ll send you a link amateur film experts praise the film, here is one of the comments:
      dentitov

      Decent movie for the thinking
      I recommend this worthy film to everyone. There is no running around, shooting, panoramic large-scale shootings of tank attacks. This is not a stubborn Soviet agitation.
      This is a film for thinking people, which is very useful to watch for all lovers of the Western way of life, the Western system of values. It is useful to see it for all those who know about the Great War from the 4 paragraphs of the Russian history textbook in its modern version. I highly recommend watching those who love to spit at home and praise the luxurious Western glamor. This is useful, because it becomes more clear at what cost this glamor is achieved.
      The only film that very decently showed the tension and scale of political negotiations at the highest level. How difficult it was for us to negotiate with the ungrateful English and American scum after the war, when they planned to arm 2,5 million captured Germans and send them to us. When they wanted to land in the Balkans and hit us from the south. When they planned to throw us with atomic bombs in the 40 years.
      All this was, and few now know it. I take my hat off to the creators of this film for historical truth and for a very strong and powerful message to the world that it bears.
      In my opinion, Stalin turned out to be very worthy. I like him the most in this movie. Mikhalkov must watch, so that it would be disgraceful.
      The good and sincere story of the friendship of the heroes Mikhailov and Mironov is shown. Mironov is simply luxurious, and even appears in an unexpected role. History has an unexpected and powerful denouement that shakes to the core.
      Maybe the film was made straightforward, but its strength is different.


      read here:
      https://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/43025/
      1. Ural-4320
        Ural-4320 24 December 2018 07: 16
        +1
        Thank you very much!
        1. your1970
          your1970 24 December 2018 12: 39
          0
          And to begin with, read Chakovsky's book "Victory" ..... how he brought everything to Brezhnev with praise of the Helsinki Agreement
  49. ochakow703
    ochakow703 23 December 2018 17: 28
    0
    Even the frames from the ads show that this is full of crap and bullshit. The director is a fan of playing tanks.
  50. segamegament
    segamegament 23 December 2018 17: 30
    0
    I will not go to the cinema as to "Indestructible" and I will not lead a child, but I will download "T-34" from the torrent after such reviews ...