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The first in the USSR power unit RBMK-1000 was permanently stopped at the Leningrad NPP

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On Saturday, the first power unit in the world with the RBMK-1000 reactor, which has operated at the power plant for more than 40 years, was permanently shut down at the Leningrad NPP, the press service of Rosenergoatom reports.


The first in the USSR power unit RBMK-1000 was permanently stopped at the Leningrad NPP


As Rosenneogoatom reported, the power unit with the RBMK-1000 reactor was launched on 21 on December 1973 of the year and worked 45 for years without any problems. 21 December in 23: 30 it was finally stopped, regularly plugged and disconnected from the unified power grid of Russia. Instead, the power unit of the 3 + generation of high power VVER-1200, the design life of which is 60 years, was included in the grid.

The RBMK-1000 reactor (uranium-graphite nuclear reactors of the channel type with thermal neutrons) in the USSR was first installed at the Leningrad NPP. The decision to build a nuclear power plant was made in September 1966. The construction of the first unit was completed in 1973 year. Initially, the lifetime of the RBMK-1000 was 30 years, but was subsequently extended to 45.

Today, nine more RBMK-1000 units are being operated in Russia - at the Leningrad, Kursk and Smolensk NPPs. Designed and built almost half a century ago, RBMK-1000 reactors comply with international requirements in terms of safety.
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Leningrad NPP
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  1. keeper03
    keeper03 22 December 2018 12: 49
    +37
    Congratulations to the citizens of Sosnovy Bor with an updated reactor! fellow May God grant that everything will be safe and proper !!! yes hi
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 22 December 2018 14: 45
      +15
      Quote: keeper03
      Congratulations of citizens Pine forest with updated the reactor!

      And also: citizens of Shepelevo, Gory-Valdai, Krasnoflotsk, Krasnaya Gorka, Lebyazhy, Martyshkino, Lomonosov, Peterhof ... and the small village of St. Petersburg, which is located in the east of the Sosnovo-Bor region. laughing And the reactor ... Well, in this case, with the ENHANCED reactor. yes A completely new one was launched to replace it, and this is LNPP-2. The next "old man" is planned to be put to rest in two years. And a moment of humor. We are now advertising on radio "ZENIT":
      - In one dark-dark city, on dark-dark streets, in dark-dark houses ...
      - Oh, mommy, I'm scared !!!
      - Do not be afraid, because we have a nearby Leningrad Nuclear Station !!!

      wassat wassat wassat I wonder what V.O.Shpakovsky would say about black humor in advertising? laughing
      1. Turist1996
        Turist1996 22 December 2018 19: 35
        0
        And he would not say anything - for nefig!
  2. Phil77
    Phil77 22 December 2018 12: 51
    +20
    Worked for glory! Honor and praise to builders and exploiters!
  3. EXPrompt
    EXPrompt 22 December 2018 12: 51
    +10
    45 without an accident is a good result.
    It was enough for the authorities not to continue the work of the old unit.
    It’s not like the Ukrobandelogs, by 2027-30 there will be no choice of all power generating units, and guess what will happen next, the Ukrainians are not standing today for new reactors, there’s nothing to replace the retiring capacities for, there will be only one solution, where there are 45 and 60 ..
    And Russia is nearby in this our pain, the question is not what will happen or not, the question is when, and the wind will be where ..
    1. 210ox
      210ox 22 December 2018 13: 07
      +2
      Unfortunately, without AZ from fools ... In Pripyat, such a reactor exploded .. Here and without accidents. It all depends on the person ..
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 22 December 2018 13: 16
        +17
        Quote: 210ox
        In Pripyat, such a reactor exploded .. Here and without accidents.

        Do not confuse normal operation with that when the maintenance personnel is very willing to create an emergency. In Pripyat, the reactor resisted, but it was forced to "jerk" by some dunce, who did not like that the reactor was working reliably and without accidents.
        1. 1810BM86
          1810BM86 22 December 2018 13: 18
          -13
          Quote: Piramidon
          Do not confuse normal operation with service personnel who are eager to create an emergency.

          Yes, there was a serious accident at this reactor, and not one with the victims.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 22 December 2018 13: 28
            +11
            Quote: 1810BM86
            Yes, there was a serious accident at this reactor, and not one with the victims.

            Examples of "more than one accident with victims", please. Not like "go and google". Said "A", say "B" hi
            1. The comment was deleted.
              1. 210ox
                210ox 22 December 2018 13: 43
                +7
                Your link is full of nonsense. In any case, there were no problems with these reactors in Desnogorsk.
                1. 1810BM86
                  1810BM86 22 December 2018 13: 45
                  +11
                  January 7, 1974 - a hydrogen explosion in a reinforced concrete gas holder (a facility for holding gaseous radioactive waste) at a nuclear power plant [source not specified 2731 days].
                  On February 6, 1974, as a result of boiling water with subsequent hydroblows, the intermediate circuit broke at block No. 1. Three people were killed, highly active water leaked.
                  November 30, 1975 - an accident at block No. 1 with the destruction (melting) of the fuel channel, which led to radioactive emissions (1,5 million Ci of activity). This accident, highlighting the design flaws of the RBMK reactor, experts consider the forerunner of the Chernobyl disaster [14].
                  December 28 and 30, 1990 - graphite scattering in the subreactor room of Unit No. 1 with its radioactive contamination;
                  In March 1992, there was a rupture of one fuel channel in 3 power units. According to the International Nuclear Event Scale, the incident was rated 2 [15].
                  January 1996 - a leak (12 l / day) was discovered from the pool of the SNF storage facility No. 428 (located 90 m from the coast of the Gulf of Finland). By March 1997, the flow reached 360 l / day. Partially eliminated.
                  May 20, 2004 - emergency shutdown of the reactor of the fourth power unit of the nuclear power plant and the release of radioactive vapor. The reason is the unauthorized pressing of the emergency button in the operating room of the fourth power unit. There were no injuries; within 2 hours, a cloud of steam moved towards the village of Koporye.
                  December 18, 2015 - at 13:50 [16] at the deaerator installation of the power unit there was a breakthrough of the low pressure steam line and the release of steam. The reactor of the second power unit was stopped. Leningrad NPP Director Vladimir Pereguda stated that “there are no reasons for the evacuation of personnel and the public”, and the radiation situation inside and around the station remains normal [17]. On December 28, the reactor was restarted. (W)
                  1. 210ox
                    210ox 22 December 2018 14: 07
                    0
                    From all that you reported, only two were directly at the reactor. Unfortunately, this happens all over the world where nuclear power plants are located. The most serious of the list are the first two, when this station began its work, respectively, there was no work experience.
                  2. Turist1996
                    Turist1996 22 December 2018 20: 26
                    0
                    It’s especially sensible to mention the accident of 2015 - the amount per year alludes to Maidan’s victory over common sense.
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              2. Piramidon
                Piramidon 22 December 2018 14: 09
                +12
                Quote: 1810BM86
                In Google banned?

                Why is it necessary with such tricks? Normal people, if they object in the comments and have data different from the opponent, they simply give their arguments in the form of links to reliable sources, and do not ask questions - "Have you been banned in the rumble (Yandex)?", "Have you turned off the Internet?", " don't trust the wiki? " (I cannot imagine how a wiki can be trusted unconditionally. It is written by the same users as you. Ask who writes articles there.) request
                Vasily, my friendly advice to you, be a little calmer here and people will reach for you. hi
          2. Turist1996
            Turist1996 22 December 2018 20: 30
            -4
            Facts to the studio! Will not be - an eternal ban!
        2. 210ox
          210ox 22 December 2018 13: 46
          +2
          You know very well that any piece of iron can be broken by an untrained, or simply. Not to mention such a complex technique ..
    2. Brturin
      Brturin 22 December 2018 13: 30
      +1
      Quote: EXPrompt
      Ukrobandelogam, there by 2027-30 all power blocks will choose the resource without exception

      Here it depends on Rosatom - a month ago there was information about the first annealing of the VVER-1000 hull in the history of world nuclear energy (the first power unit of the Balakovo NPP), which allowed to extend its life from 15 years and above ... we agreed on TVEL ... Wait, see ...
      1. Antares
        Antares 22 December 2018 14: 34
        0
        Quote: BrTurin
        annealing of the VVER-1000 casing

        Duc, just mentioned that they can perform annealing under the supervision of a developer.
        Energoatom has a great relationship with Rosatom. It pays right.
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 22 December 2018 14: 51
          +2
          Quote: Antares
          developer annealing

          I somehow doubt that this will be an observation, the Energoatom has the appropriate equipment and specialists ...
          1. 123456789
            123456789 24 December 2018 13: 14
            +1
            + IR for annealing
            1. 123456789
              123456789 24 December 2018 21: 29
              0
              About 20 years ago I proposed such a method of regenerative annealing ... True, in a different industry ... Then they thought it was cheaper to replace ... So the method is not certain.
      2. Turist1996
        Turist1996 22 December 2018 20: 32
        +1
        Choi is a month then ?! In the summer!
    3. Rostislav Prokopenko
      Rostislav Prokopenko 22 December 2018 13: 36
      +3
      They write that Ukrainians quietly concluded the same contract for the supply of our fuel. So maybe another 5-10 years we sleep peacefully. Or maybe not....
      1. Igoresha
        Igoresha 22 December 2018 21: 39
        +2
        there is an article in the Ukrainian budget "secret import" from apparently it
  4. Legend
    Legend 22 December 2018 12: 52
    +7
    Able to build in those days ..! Well, I hope to replace the modern unit
    The peaceful atom in the USSR went in parallel with the creation of nuclear weapons, etc. .. Our grandfathers and great-grandfathers created all this foundation steel generation ...
    I kneel before them .. (right now it's not fashionable) angry
    1. 1810BM86
      1810BM86 22 December 2018 13: 03
      -3
      Quote: Legend
      Able to build in those days ..

      This is exactly the same reactor as in Chernobyl. There was also a serious accident with him at the LNPP. Not a very good reactor. But this is not surprising, because it is a swollen military reactor to produce plutonium.
  5. prior
    prior 22 December 2018 13: 01
    +2
    Unfortunately, all that is created by people is tomorrow's garbage.
    Well, it would be nice to dispose of this well-deserved power unit.
    1. IgorIP
      IgorIP 22 December 2018 14: 00
      +4
      So far, not a single power unit has been utilized in the entire history of the USSR / RF. All blocks that are stopped at this moment are mothballed. So far, there are not even real plans for their disposal. And this is sooo easy task.
  6. Hypersound
    Hypersound 22 December 2018 13: 04
    +1
    You can spray the remains of the reactor over the phishington.
  7. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 22 December 2018 13: 11
    +2
    Stopped. And what is going to do with him next? To dismantle?
    Or just canned?
    This is the problem with nuclear power. To disassemble the spent unit and "bury"
    debris, you need to spend no less money than on its construction.
    1. Consultant
      Consultant 22 December 2018 13: 20
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      What are they going to do next?

      Aleksey, are you sideways here? It is very far from you)))
    2. 1810BM86
      1810BM86 22 December 2018 13: 22
      +4
      Yes, right, and no less? That you probably saw the estimate that say so? Or what is not and will not be in Israel, is everything bad by default? winked
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 22 December 2018 13: 22
      +5
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Stopped. And what is going to do with him next? To dismantle?
      Or just canned?

      Yes, you don't need to "do" anything with him, let him stand where he stood and how he stood. The reactor is safely damped, the protection is reliable there, why dig it? request
    4. major071
      major071 22 December 2018 13: 26
      +6
      voyaka uh
      Stopped. And what is going to do with him next? To dismantle?
      Or just canned?

      They will unload nuclear fuel from the reactor. then decontamination. then the stage of the conclusion itself
      1. balunn
        balunn 24 December 2018 10: 36
        0
        The technologies are developed on almost similar industrial devices AD and ADE.
    5. XXXIII
      XXXIII 22 December 2018 14: 25
      +9
      Quote: voyaka uh
      What are they going to do next? To dismantle?
      Or just canned?

      Want to sell you at a discount .... smile
      Dispose of everything that is currently impossible to safely recycle ... hi
      Wet Storage
      A “wet” vault could be mistaken for a giant school gym if it weren’t for the metal sheets on the floor. If you look closely, you will notice that the yellow dividing stripes are narrow hatches. When you need to put a cover in a particular compartment, the crane moves along these stripes as along the guides, moving the load under water.
      Over the assemblies, a reliable barrier to radiation is a two-meter layer of demineralized water. The storage room has a normal radiation environment. Guests can even walk through manhole covers and peer into them.

      The length of the wet storage is 240 m and the width is 36 m
      The repository was designed taking into account design and beyond design basis accidents, that is, it is resistant to earthquakes and other unrealistic incidents that are incredibly strong. For safety, the storage pool is divided into 20 compartments. In the case of a hypothetical leak, each of these concrete modules can be isolated from the rest and the assemblies can be transferred to the intact compartment. Passive means of maintaining the water level for reliable heat dissipation are thought out.

      Dry storage
      “We strive to ensure that the water-cooled storage is only an intermediate step before dry storage or processing. In this sense, the strategy of the MCC and Rosatom corresponds to the global development vector, ”explains Igor Seelev. - In 2011, we commissioned the first phase of the RBMK-1000 SNF dry storage facility, and in December 2015, we completed the construction of the entire complex. In the same 2015, the MCC launched the production of MOX fuel from reprocessed SNF. In December 2016, the first reloading of VVER-1000 fuel from the “wet” storage to dry was performed. ”

      Dry storage - cheaper and safer than wet
      Concrete modules are located in the storage room, and in them are sealed canisters with SNF filled with a nitrogen-helium mixture. The assembly air cools the outside air, which flows by gravity through the ducts. At the same time, forced ventilation is not required: air moves due to a certain arrangement of channels, and heat is removed due to convective heat transfer. The principle is the same as that of a draft in a fireplace.
      Dry SNF storage is much safer and cheaper. Unlike the “wet” storage, there are no expenses for water supply and water treatment, there is no need to organize water circulation. The facility will not be affected by a loss of power, and no action is required from personnel other than the actual loading of fuel. In this sense, the creation of dry technology is a huge step forward. However, it is impossible to completely abandon the water-cooled storage. Due to the increased heat generation, VVER-1000 assemblies should be in water for the first 10-15 years. Only then can they be moved to a dry room or sent for processing.
      “The principle of organizing a dry storage is very simple,” says Igor Seelev, “but no one has proposed it before. Now the patent for the technology belongs to a group of Russian scientists. And this is a suitable topic for the expansion of Rosatom to the international market, because many countries are interested in dry storage technology. Japanese, French and Americans have already come to us. Negotiations are underway to bring SNF from the nuclear power plants that Russian nuclear engineers are building abroad to the MCC. ”
    6. Piramidon
      Piramidon 22 December 2018 14: 33
      +4
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Stopped. And what is going to do with him next? To dismantle?
      Or just canned?
      This is the problem with nuclear power. To disassemble the spent unit and "bury"
      debris, you need to spend no less money than on its construction.

      Voyaka.uh Israeli, why are you so excited in your subpin ... sub-American enclave of the Yankees? In any case, it won’t reach you. Think better of the nuclear center in your Dimon and do not meddle in the affairs of Russia. negative You’ve got a plug in every barrel of what concerns my country. Faded to Israel and enjoy there.
      Py.Sy Fiercely hate traitors and defectors, especially those who bark at their former homeland negative .
      1. atalef
        atalef 22 December 2018 14: 44
        -6
        Quote: Piramidon
        Think better about the nuclear center in your Dimona

        actually Dimon - this is yours
        Quote: Piramidon
        get into the affairs of Russia. You’re in every barrel with a stopper for my country

        are you entitled to answer for the whole country? belay
        Quote: Piramidon
        Py.Sy Fiercely hate traitors and defectors, especially those who bark at their former homeland

        And if he left Ukraine, the Baltic states or Georgia - then you can wink
        Yes, very clear laughing
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 22 December 2018 14: 51
          +6
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: Piramidon
          Think better about the nuclear center in your Dimona

          actually Dimon - this is yours
          A nuclear research center in the Israeli city of Dimona was opened in 1964. The center in Dimona is not controlled by the IAEA - the International Atomic Energy Agency. Together with French scientists, a heavy water reactor was built here, with a capacity of 28 megawatts. The center conducts research and development in the field of physics.

          You don’t know, don’t get alarmed.
          Quote: Piramidon
          get into the affairs of Russia. You’re in every barrel with a stopper for my country

          are you entitled to answer for the whole country? belay

          What kind of question did you ask? Russia is my country.
          Quote: Piramidon
          Py.Sy Fiercely hate traitors and defectors, especially those who bark at their former homeland

          And if he left Ukraine, the Baltic states or Georgia - then you can wink
          Yes, very clear laughing

          All that you have listed here is the USSR. In this country, I was born, raised, served her and never betrayed her, unlike you traitors. But what to take from you, always for you - the Jews, the homeland was where they pay more. negative
          1. atalef
            atalef 22 December 2018 14: 51
            -5
            Quote: Piramidon
            All that you have listed here is the USSR.

            And your homeland is not the USSR?
            1. rfv18
              rfv18 22 December 2018 14: 56
              -1
              Quote: atalef
              And your homeland is not the USSR?

              Do not confuse the homeland and place of birth. They do not always match.
              1. atalef
                atalef 22 December 2018 14: 58
                -2
                Quote: rfv18
                Quote: atalef
                And your homeland is not the USSR?

                Do not confuse the homeland and place of birth. They do not always match.

                belay
                although I can agree with you in a sense.
            2. Piramidon
              Piramidon 22 December 2018 15: 15
              +3
              Quote: atalef
              Quote: Piramidon
              All that you have listed here is the USSR.

              And your homeland is not the USSR?

              Shurik. For people like you, I have already said that I was born and raised in the USSR. Ask questions in Russian. Take the Russian language textbook for the 4th grade and study the use of the particles "NOT" and "NO". And it’s not very clear what you want to find out.
              1. atalef
                atalef 22 December 2018 15: 29
                -5
                Quote: Piramidon
                Shurik

                I'm All in Attention, Stepashka
                Quote: Piramidon
                For people like you above I said that I was born and raised in the USSR.

                And?
                Quote: Piramidon
                Take the Russian language textbook for the 4th grade and study the use of the particles "NOT" and "NO".

                about nothing.
                Quote: Piramidon
                And it’s not very clear what you want to find out

                sub-stress the brain and you might understand the question.
                Quote: atalef
                And your homeland is not the USSR?
          2. atalef
            atalef 22 December 2018 15: 01
            -4
            Quote: Piramidon
            . But what to take from you, always for you - the Jews, the homeland was where they pay more.

            Ie more than in Israel-do not pay anywhere.
            fellow
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 22 December 2018 15: 29
              +5
              Quote: atalef
              Ie more than in Israel-do not pay anywhere.

              Do not distort. I did not say that you earn only in Israel. Your brethren have spread all over the world and have taken root where you can cut your gesheft. You and we in Russia are like fleas on a dog (even in the government), but for you Russia is not the Motherland, but a means of gain.
              1. atalef
                atalef 22 December 2018 15: 34
                -4
                Quote: Piramidon
                Do not distort. I didn’t say that

                говорил
                Quote: Piramidon
                Homeland was where they pay more.

                Quote: Piramidon
                Your brethren have spread all over the world

                The more I travel the world, the more I am amazed at the number of Russians living abroad. It is living. Not vacationers, not summer residents, not tourists. Namely those who live.
                Some of the colleagues considered approximately compatriots in Europe and beyond: Germany - France - Great Britain - Benelux - Northern Europe - Italy - Spain - Eastern Europe .... He got more than 20 millions. And to add Turkey, Israel, Emirates, India, Vietnam, Thailand, China somewhere else 6 million ... States, Canada, Latin America, Australia - 13 million

                over 40 millions.
                laughing
                Pot calls the kettle black.
                Russians, of course, went around the world to bring light and good in the universe laughing
                1. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 22 December 2018 15: 55
                  +4
                  Quote: atalef
                  говорил
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  Homeland was where they pay more.

                  And where exactly about Israel is said, idle talk?
                  And in general, how can you argue with people like you who pull out phrases that are beneficial to them and in every way distort the meaning of what was said? Sin!
          3. atalef
            atalef 22 December 2018 15: 02
            -6
            Quote: Piramidon
            All that you have listed here is the USSR. In this country, I was born, raised, served her and never betrayed her, unlike you traitors

            in 1991 r sat on the barricades? Or with a beer on TV I watched as the Yeltsin of the USSR was falling apart laughing
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 22 December 2018 15: 41
              +4
              Quote: atalef
              in 1991 r sat on the barricades? Or with a beer on TV I watched as the Yeltsin of the USSR was falling apart

              You decided to troll me? How do you Jews love this? fool Jabbering and masturbation is completely in your style.
              For your information, in the 91st I served in the Soviet Army with the rank of captain and did not change my oath, and you then, apparently, were still not even a quickidoid, and you sing here from the words of your relatives who were drained to Israel. negative
              1. atalef
                atalef 22 December 2018 15: 51
                -4
                Quote: Piramidon
                In the 91 I served in the Soviet Army with the rank of captain

                And I have already demobilized
                Well, of course, when you took the oath (of the USSR), did you rush to defend Soviet power, or would you rather shoot yourself?
                I, a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, joining the Armed Forces, take the oath and solemnly swear to be honest, brave, disciplined, watchful soldier, strictly keep military and state secrets, unconditionally fulfill all military regulations and orders of commanders and commanders.

                I swear to conscientiously study military affairs, to protect military and national property in every possible way and to be loyal to my People, my Soviet Homeland and the Soviet Government until the last breath.

                I am always ready, by order of the Soviet Government, to defend my Motherland — the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and, as a soldier of the Armed Forces, I swear to defend it courageously, skillfully, with dignity and honor, without sparing my blood and life itself to achieve complete victory over the enemies .

                If I break this solemn oath, then let me suffer the harsh punishment of Soviet law, the general hatred and contempt of the working people.

                Apparently both the one and the other
                laughing


                Quote: Piramidon
                and you sing here according to the words of your relatives who have been leaked to Israel.

                ?????
                1. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 22 December 2018 15: 58
                  +3
                  Quote: atalef
                  And I have already demobilized

                  With urgent service due to sudden hemorrhoids? Well, with your connections, yes, in those days - it’s easy.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 22 December 2018 16: 18
                    -4
                    Quote: Piramidon
                    With urgent service due to sudden hemorrhoids?

                    you do not ascribe your diagnosis to others
                    I quit by

                    I didn’t find pictures for 1990, although as far as I remember, our order was not from the Minister of Defense, but for the first time, from the Chairman of the Council of Ministers
                    Quote: Piramidon
                    Well, with your connections, yes, in those days - it’s easy.

                    well, you, as a * real officer *, as always faded from the answer (in 1991 I probably did the same thing, a month before the coup at all meetings I shouted ODOBRIAMS and SECTION), and how the USSR began to break up - so neither barricades, nor a bullet in forehead.
                    What about the oath? wink
                    Warrior
                    1. Piramidon
                      Piramidon 22 December 2018 17: 08
                      +2
                      Quote: atalef
                      то же самое surely did

                      Don't attribute your fantasies to me, bad boy. I have never supported either Gorby or EBN. And it's a pity that I served far from the capital. I would be among those who pressed this drunken, stoned filth on the BMP, who were later recognized as heroes. How much jam-cookies did you sell your Motherland for? You didn't answer that question either.
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 22 December 2018 17: 22
                        -3
                        Quote: Piramidon
                        Don't attribute your fantasies to me, bad boy. I have never supported either Gorby or EBN.

                        great, well, where were you during the collapse of the USSR?
                        Somehow you constantly blur this topic.
                        Quote: Piramidon
                        And it is a pity that I served far from the capital

                        Well, yes, yes.
                        And what prevented the patriot from rushing to the golden head?
                        Lack of horse-drawn transport or fear of finding adventures in the place of chronic hemorrhoids?

                        Quote: Piramidon
                        Я would was among those who crushed this drunk on the BMP

                        In, in, in
                        Would, would.
                        This is your favorite prefix

                        Quote: Piramidon
                        For how many jam-cookies did you sell your homeland yourself?

                        I am a Jew and the desire of a Jew to live in his country, probably for you it is not as clear as the oath given to you by the USSR
                        Quote: Piramidon
                        For how many jam-cookies did you sell your homeland yourself? You did not answer this question either.

                        For the opportunity to survive the 3 war (more precisely, almost a war), the 2 intifada, the loss of friends, and the average work of 12 hours a day in the heat - well, all the other nishtyaks.
                        Are you jealous?
                      2. Piramidon
                        Piramidon 22 December 2018 17: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: atalef
                        great, well, where were you during the collapse of the USSR?

                        You or the troll, which is most likely, or you don’t understand anything except Yiddish.
                        The USSR (for the stupid I explain) was a very large country. Not everyone lived in Moscow, which is where all this crap happened. I served in the Krasnoznamenny Northern Fleet. Take the "Izya" curvimeter and calculate the distance on the map (if you are smart enough) from Severomorsk to Moscow.
                        Actually, I considered the Jews smarter than you, their representative. My friends have many representatives of your nationality, but people like you are meeting for the first time. Do not disgrace the nation, boy.
                      3. atalef
                        atalef 22 December 2018 18: 05
                        -3
                        Quote: Piramidon
                        You or the troll, which is most likely, or you don’t understand anything except Yiddish.

                        Do you know you go, Ingale?
                        Quote: Piramidon
                        The USSR (for the foolish I explain) was a very large country

                        Captain obvious laughing

                        Quote: Piramidon
                        Not everyone lived in Moscow, where all this crap happened.

                        But there was no transport in the country of victorious socialism? belay
                        Neither airplanes, nor trains, river and sea transport of intercity bus transport, horse-drawn transport and sled dogs laughing
                        No, there was nothing to get to the primal table?
                        Quote: Piramidon
                        I served in the Krasnoznamenny Northern Fleet. Take "Izya" curvimeter and calculate the distance on the map (if you are smart enough) from Severomorsk to Moscow

                        I know perfectly well that 10 lived in Gadzhievo for the years of his life, this is a little further than Severomorsk.
                        The trip to St. Petersburg took up a maximum of 1.5 - 2 days by train, faster by plane (from Murmansk), but how many dog ​​teams from St. Petersburg to Moscow should I tell you.
                        So what was the problem, CEP?
                        Quote: Piramidon
                        Actually, I considered the Jews smarter than you, their representative

                        Frustratingly, they are even smarter than you thought.
                        Quote: Piramidon
                        My friends have many representatives of your nationality, but people like you, I meet for the first time.

                        So I, like you, are not a friend.
                        Quote: Piramidon
                        Do not disgrace the nation, boy

                        So what's the oath. CEP?
                      4. Piramidon
                        Piramidon 22 December 2018 18: 14
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                        Quote: atalef
                        Do you know you go, Ingale?

                        Well you and ...

                        I thought your nation was much smarter. Sgin, Shurik, do not disgrace.
                      5. atalef
                        atalef 22 December 2018 18: 23
                        -3
                        Quote: Piramidon
                        Sgin, Shurik, do not disgrace.

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                        Good night, Stepashka hi
    7. sailor52
      sailor52 22 December 2018 16: 05
      +3
      Stopped. And what is going to do with him next? To dismantle?
      Or just canned?
      This is the problem with nuclear power. To disassemble the spent unit and "bury"
      debris, you need to spend no less money than on its construction.

      1. There are two options for decommissioning nuclear power plants in the world: 1) delayed disassembly - reliable preservation followed by dismantling and 2) immediate dismantling - complete removal. There is also an intermediate option - partial dismantling (partial removal and reliable preservation of the remaining radioactive elements) nuclear power plants. Each decommissioning option has its own unambiguous grounds.
      2. Nuclear power has no such problem. The decommissioning of NPP units, like any nuclear or radiation hazardous facility, is an integral and inevitable stage of its life cycle. And the costing is on paper at the side of the customer at the stage of negotiations on the construction of nuclear power plants. He has the numbers to make a decision whether it will be economically effective for him to build this nuclear power plant or not. It may, in fact, be more profitable to build a TPP.
      3. In addition to the cost of construction, the cost of electricity, which the power unit has given for decades of operation, should also be calculated. Not to mention the fact that the construction of a nuclear power plant pulls the infrastructure along with it, builds cities and enterprises around it, develops regional logistics, creates jobs, often in an open field.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 22 December 2018 16: 41
        -8
        "Nuclear power has no such problem" ////
        ------
        There is no large in the territory of countries with low population density. Until...
        I read that in Russia there are nuclear power plants, where the number of stopped and mothballed units has already exceeded the number of existing ones. All blocks together (one power plant) already occupy the territory of a small European country (like Luxembourg).
        It turns out that there are dozens of "Egyptian pyramids of Cheops", which cannot be dismantled
        (incredible money is needed) and cannot be used. And the blocks are destroyed over time: concrete is not eternal, ground waters, soil shifts ... And what will the descendants do with this?
        1. asv363
          asv363 22 December 2018 20: 41
          +6
          Quote: voyaka uh
          I read that in Russia there are nuclear power plants, where the number of stopped and mothballed units has already exceeded the number of existing ones. All blocks together (one power plant) already occupy the territory of a small European country (like Luxembourg).

          There are no such nuclear power plants in Russia.
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 22 December 2018 21: 47
          +6
          Quote: voyaka uh
          I read...

          ... and composed fairy tales and legends of the Jewish peoples. laughing
  8. NordUral
    NordUral 22 December 2018 13: 13
    +3
    Congratulations to both the pine fighters and all Petersburgers, and the region as a whole! Nice to read such news.
    1. Consultant
      Consultant 22 December 2018 13: 18
      +2
      Quote: NordUral
      Nice to read such news.

      Only when next time you start publishing a list of "enterprises ruined at Putena" - do not forget what you wrote here, huh? wink
  9. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 22 December 2018 13: 21
    +4
    "Designed and built almost half a century ago, RBMK-1000 reactors meet international safety standards."
    These reactors set the level of safety for international requirements.
  10. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 22 December 2018 13: 52
    +3
    That's how one can’t recall the USSR with a good word! hi
  11. Conductor
    Conductor 22 December 2018 13: 58
    +2
    Honor and respect to the specialists who served the unit !!!
  12. Lieutenant Senior
    Lieutenant Senior 22 December 2018 14: 09
    +4
    The main thing is regular, successful and safe.
  13. Antares
    Antares 22 December 2018 14: 35
    -1
    one of the first news of domestic nuclear power plants ...
    usually exclusively about Ukrainian and only about blackouts.
  14. 23424636
    23424636 22 December 2018 18: 13
    -2
    Quote: Paranoid50
    Quote: keeper03
    Congratulations of citizens Pine forest with updated the reactor!

    And also: citizens of Shepelevo, Gory-Valdai, Krasnoflotsk, Krasnaya Gorka, Lebyazhy, Martyshkino, Lomonosov, Peterhof ... and the small village of St. Petersburg, which is located in the east of the Sosnovo-Bor region. laughing And the reactor ... Well, in this case, with the ENHANCED reactor. yes A completely new one was launched to replace it, and this is LNPP-2. The next "old man" is planned to be put to rest in two years. And a moment of humor. We are now advertising on radio "ZENIT":
    - In one dark-dark city, on dark-dark streets, in dark-dark houses ...
    - Oh, mommy, I'm scared !!!
    - Do not be afraid, because we have a nearby Leningrad Nuclear Station !!!

    wassat wassat wassat I wonder what V.O.Shpakovsky would say about black humor in advertising? laughing

    the author is of course a merry fellow sailor. then if we don’t cover the coal with brown or Estonian oil shale, we’ll cover the enemy, by the way, the enemies thought where the wind was blowing from their infamous tower with pipes, of course VVP into their native pinats. Therefore, do not scuff but look at what you have on the canals in the sea and find out where in St. Petersburg you can swim, nowhere else. And come to us Donetsk and take a break from the atomic mists.
  15. ed5840
    ed5840 22 December 2018 18: 16
    +5
    Once in the distant 84th year I was there in pre-diploma practice. The 1st Block stood up for the PPR and the authorities asked us to work as locksmiths. The fitter of the installer we had after the practice at the 4th Chernobyl unit. Changed out of the standing shut-off valve and ball flow meters. Since the stopped unit has residual energy, the reactor is always located along the water flow and had to be changed without stopping the circulation. And now the old hard worker went on a well-deserved rest. I would like to note that the photo shows the second stage of the Leningrad NPP with VVER-1200 reactors that was launched earlier. At the first stage with RBMK-1000 reactors, there are no cooling towers (it is cooled by water in the Gulf of Finland), there are rectangular reactor shops and a concrete ventilation pipe, and a pedestrian crossing from the residential building to the block passes through it.
  16. sailor52
    sailor52 22 December 2018 22: 54
    +3
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Nuclear power has no such problem "////
    ------
    There is no large in the territory of countries with low population density. Until...
    I read that in Russia there are nuclear power plants, where the number of stopped and mothballed units has already exceeded the number of existing ones. All blocks together (one power plant) already occupy the territory of a small European country (like Luxembourg).
    It turns out that there are dozens of "Egyptian pyramids of Cheops", which cannot be dismantled
    (incredible money is needed) and cannot be used. And the blocks are destroyed over time: concrete is not eternal, ground waters, soil shifts ... And what will the descendants do with this?

    In Russia, 36 units are in operation at 10 NPPs. The 1 power unit of the Obninsk NPP (the only one), the 3 power unit of the Novovoronezh NPP, the operating 3 (and + + 1 will be put into 2019), the 2 power unit of the Beloyarsk NPP and the 2 are operational. All information is available on specialized sites (Rosatom, Rosenergoatom). He specified only those NPPs of the Russian Federation that have decommissioned power units.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 23 December 2018 00: 08
      -3
      I read, apparently, about the Voronezh NPP.
      3 disabled power units. Build new ones, of course.
      It's good. But those stopped do not dismantle. And over time, the territory of the "dead"
      power units will inevitably at times exceed the living area.
      This is a serious environmental problem for future generations.
      Moreover, the rivers now dry up more often during droughts, and nuclear power plants in different
      countries are on the verge of closure.
      For this reason, many states are not eager to build nuclear power plants, despite
      cheap received electricity.
      1. Dude
        Dude 23 December 2018 05: 18
        +3
        I read, apparently, about the Voronezh NPP.
        3 disabled power units. Build new ones, of course.
        It's good. But those stopped do not dismantle. And over time, the territory of the "dead"
        power units will inevitably at times exceed the area of ​​living

        I read that in Russia there are nuclear power plants, where the number of stopped and mothballed units has already exceeded the number of existing ones. All blocks together (one power plant) already occupy the territory of a small European country (like Luxembourg).

        Well, you trim the sturgeon, dear Voyaka!! The area of ​​Luxembourg is about 2,5 thousand square meters. km This is approximately equal to the area of ​​Moscow, if I do not confuse anything.
        Do you really think that the area alone NewlyVoronezh NPP is larger than the area of ​​Moscow ?! wassat
        Rosatom, of course, is a cool office, but you still give us a compliment! good
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 23 December 2018 09: 16
          -3
          Rosatom is cool!
          "Three times will cover the territory of France, like a bull - a sheep" laughing drinks
          1. Dude
            Dude 23 December 2018 09: 24
            0
            laughing laughing laughing
            Rosatom - this is not Krasnoyarsk Territory there, I’m afraid that France alone will not be enough wassat fellow
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 23 December 2018 09: 35
              0
              For some reason, the forum decided that my posts were a hit on Russia.
              But in France, where half of the electricity is nuclear, and in the United States - the same problem. The shutdown reactors remain gigantic industrial "monuments" and a potential environmental threat (with gradual destruction in the future).
              1. Dude
                Dude 23 December 2018 10: 05
                +3
                I don’t know, I didn’t see a collision.
                As for the specifics - yes, the problem of waste processing exists, as well as the problem of decontamination of decommissioned power units. But there are technologies that can solve these problems.
                As for Russia in particular, I don’t see any particular problem - we don’t have so many nuclear power plants - offhand, we are somewhere 5th in the world. Americans, for example, have a lot more. China, India - they are building nuclear power plants with might and main and are not worried.
                There are no problems with the territory in Russia, our stations are not in seismically active zones, somehow I do not observe global droughts either. I don’t see a problem, honestly.

                On the question of whether or not the country is eager to build nuclear power plants, I also do not agree. Building a nuclear power plant is not an easy task and expensive. Who can afford it - builds with joy. There was a drawdown in the 90s, but now nuclear power is on the rise.
            2. Krsk
              Krsk 24 December 2018 07: 51
              0
              some Krasnoyarsk Territory there ... comrade captain humor I hope jokes?
              1. Dude
                Dude 24 December 2018 08: 09
                +1
                Estess-no) This is a quote from Zhvanetsky hi
  17. 123456789
    123456789 24 December 2018 16: 03
    0
    Here it is the fuel of the future!

    Israeli scientists have learned to turn feces into coal December 13, 18:00. At the Weizmann Institute
  18. Maxwrx
    Maxwrx 24 December 2018 20: 17
    -1
    I know a little more about energy. no matter what tales they write about decontamination, there is such a fonite that it will not seem a little, the only option is to be buried in the taiga for thousands of years. the energy of the nuclear power plant is not cheap, at least at coal plants it is several times cheaper. a limited amount of uranium is mined (without the possibility of a significant increase) and the more stations, the more expensive the raw material will be. the only reason these stations are standing is the army, medicine. emissions are constantly being made, a friend told me that 10 years ago in Moscow at a reactor (yes, there are operating experimental reactors in Moscow) 2 students were heavily irradiated and there was a release into the atmosphere. everything was quickly hushed up, and these students were paid an increased scholarship and all grades automatically. this is happening in Moscow, and what will happen at the conventional "Mayak"
  19. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 25 December 2018 03: 26
    0
    I would like to know how it will be disposed of.