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UN General Assembly rejects Russia's resolution on the INF Treaty

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The UN General Assembly today voted against the draft resolution on keeping in force and compliance with the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles (INF) presented by Russia.


UN General Assembly rejects Russia's resolution on the INF Treaty


45 countries voted for the draft resolution proposed by Russia, 46 voted against, and 78 countries abstained from voting.

Before the vote, Deputy Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the United Nations, Dmitry Polyansky, stated that the INF Treaty was the guarantor of international security and stability and called for voting to preserve the treaty, since its termination would have serious consequences. In turn, US officials called for a vote against the Russian resolution. At the same time, the American side accused Russia of violating the terms of the contract. Also before the vote with the prosecution of Russia made Poland and Ukraine. Russia was supported by Austria, Belarus and China.

The withdrawal from the INF Treaty in October was announced by American President Donald Trump. The United States accused Russia of violating the treaty and stated that they were beginning the procedure for withdrawing from the treaty. Later it became known that the United States would not exactly change the decision to withdraw from the treaty.

The INF Treaty, signed in 1987, prohibits the United States and Russia from having ground-based ballistic missiles and cruise missiles with a range from 500 to 5,5 thousands of kilometers.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 21 December 2018 19: 54
    +43
    UN General Assembly rejects Russia's resolution on the INF Treaty
    World has gone mad?
    1. soul
      soul 21 December 2018 20: 01
      +26
      Quote: svp67
      World has gone mad?

      Apparently yes. Tired of living quietly. fool
      1. dorz
        dorz 21 December 2018 20: 06
        +8
        The world expects the Caribbean crisis v2.0. sad
        1. keeper03
          keeper03 21 December 2018 20: 25
          +22
          Well, we did what we had to do! what And once voted against - then our "hands" are untied in full! fellow We will defend ourselves and we can bang !!! yes soldier
          1. Tiksi-3
            Tiksi-3 21 December 2018 20: 49
            -24
            Quote: keeper03
            We will defend ourselves and we can bang !!!

            Do you even understand what you are calling for? Or do you think all at once the paws will raise? and if they smell all of Nata? ... ... the land of Russia is full of those who build roads ... ..
            1. cniza
              cniza 21 December 2018 20: 54
              +17
              Quote: svp67
              UN General Assembly rejects Russia's resolution on the INF Treaty
              World has gone mad?


              Apparently, wars cannot be avoided, otherwise they won’t come to their senses.
              1. For example
                For example 21 December 2018 21: 03
                +10
                Quote: cniza
                Apparently war cannot be avoided

                Can start from Canada? winked
                Let's say Mexico attacks Canada. wassat

                Will have to donate US territories, but what can I do? request
                War, my friend, war. laughing
              2. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 21 December 2018 21: 53
                +7
                Quote: cniza
                Quote: svp67
                UN General Assembly rejects Russia's resolution on the INF Treaty
                World has gone mad?


                Apparently, wars cannot be avoided, otherwise they won’t come to their senses.

                Apparently, the man is so arranged that he moves in a circle and until there is a big war with the redivision of the world - no one wants to live in peace. The circle closed again on the 1939 year.

                I would not want to predict such things, but the war will and will not be between Russia and some lousy unfinished, forgetting about its roots. With these, it’s easy - there, Georgians know ... The war will be between the main contenders for the decisive voice in the world.

                The only thing that is calm is that the Russian soldier and Russia as a whole have 10 safety margin. Therefore, Tehran will be new, and Yalta, and Potsdam. And even Nuremberg. Here only one doubt takes, or rather, two - whether there will be a place for the USA at these new conferences and over which city this time the Victory Banner will have to be hoisted ..
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 21 December 2018 22: 35
                  +8
                  The circle closed again in 1939.

                  More likely for 1914.
                2. Olegi1
                  Olegi1 22 December 2018 13: 20
                  +2
                  The answer is already there: "A medal for the city of Washington was shining on his chest" (c)
              3. lopvlad
                lopvlad 22 December 2018 00: 02
                +5
                Quote: cniza
                Apparently war cannot be avoided


                everyone understands this. Therefore, so that Poroshenko doesn’t work in Ukraine, Russia understands that a big clash is ahead and that he needs to prepare for it.
                To make it clear that the Russian army represented at the end of 2013, here is a picture from the website of the channel "Zvezda". Perhaps someone will lose the question "Why did not Russia take all of Ukraine at the beginning of 2014?"
            2. zhekazs
              zhekazs 21 December 2018 21: 24
              +24
              Quote: Tiksi-3
              and if they smell all over Nata?

              You just have to be mentally prepared for this. Putin said they would just die ... I agree with him. We are left with no choice. And why should we bend now? No. Therefore, we will be ready, all the same, people will not be able to live forever, but if we leave, then we will drag the whole world with us. And let the wicked west know about it and think about it. Let them know and remember that the Russians are ready to stand to their death for their country.
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 21 December 2018 22: 05
                +18
                Quote: zhekazs
                Quote: Tiksi-3
                and if they smell all over Nata?

                You just have to be mentally prepared for this. [...] We are left with no choice. And why should we bend now? Not. [...] Let them know and remember that the Russians are ready to stand to their death for their country.
                In 1941, they fought with almost everyone who is now in NATO. And whoever they did not fight with was released in 45. And why should we get used to it, or what? Moreover, now the war will not be the same as the TA war. Nobody will move the tank wedges of the "Abrams" from Tribaltika at us, and the nuclear missile shield at the "Sverdlovsk drunkard" has not been destroyed - now he can argue with the NATO (read - American).

                Yes, and the answer may not fly to Poland, as Washington hopes, but Washington itself. Then 11 of September will seem like a fun walk to Disneyland ....
                1. zhekazs
                  zhekazs 21 December 2018 22: 27
                  +9
                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  In 1941, they fought with almost everyone who is now in NATO. And with whom they did not fight, he was released in the 45th. And why should we get used to it?

                  What are we talking about. For a thousand years they have come to us, and not we to someone. But in our time, as you write, there will be no tank columns, a non-peaceful atom will decide everything, if that is the case.
                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  Yes, and the answer may not fly to Poland, as Washington hopes, but Washington itself.

                  I don’t know, maybe there is something in history that it goes on and repeats in a spiral, they taught French - there was Napoleon, they studied German at schools - our grandfathers ended the war in Berlin, and here they studied English - so we can see the caked desert in place London - the nesting site of Anglo-Saxon evil spirits, ulcers on the body of mankind, I think many, like myself, are ready to give their lives for this in order to completely burn out this cold. The Indians and Chinese will also thank us very much for this later, and maybe the Amerzians and Australians themselves will punish them - these are the continuation of the Anglo-Saxons. The world will become cleaner.
                  1. Antares
                    Antares 21 December 2018 23: 20
                    -1
                    Quote: zhekazs
                    They have come to us for a thousand years, and not we to someone

                    I would argue of course ..
                    The same seven-year-old, Frederick did not come to Russia, but they came to him ..
                    The French did not enter before Napoleon's invasion either. And they came to them ...
                    this is one of the most famous .. our won 53 wars counted where Russia first began.
                    Oh, by the way, the Northern War started in Denmark, then Poland and Russia, and after signing the peace with the Swedes (Peter’s not kissed letter) .. damn how I could forget .. The Swedes were defending.
                    I even found the Russian Khiva company on the list (apparently a detachment for the way to India) ..
                    although it's all the little things ..
                    Understand the defense does not occupy 1/6 of the land ... Given the unfavorable climate among the Russians - the natural mechanism is just that - expansion! Normal, everyone has it. Otherwise, why strive to get out of their few resource base on the warm plains with better moisture .. (desire for the seas)
                    There is nothing wrong. This is the history of mankind ... systems competition.
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 22 December 2018 02: 13
                      +5
                      Quote: Antares
                      Oh, by the way, the Northern War started in Denmark, then Poland and Russia, and after signing the peace with the Swedes (Peter’s not kissed letter) .. damn how I could forget .. The Swedes were defending.

                      Have you read in the new newspaper? Peter conquered from the Swedes our lands captured by them.
                      1. Hard Rock
                        Hard Rock 22 December 2018 05: 46
                        +2
                        His surname is Nekrasov, Nikulin, Gozman, etc. they have their own, special education, it is not known to us.
                      2. poquello
                        poquello 22 December 2018 15: 03
                        -1
                        Quote: Hard Rock
                        His surname is Nekrasov, Nikulin, Gozman, etc. they have their own, special education, it is not known to us.

                        and your style, they’ll drive off common phrases and silence, the slogan’s stuffing is called
                2. zhekazs
                  zhekazs 21 December 2018 22: 45
                  +3
                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  and the nuclear missile shield at the "Sverdlovsk drunkard" was not destroyed - now he can argue with NATO (read - American).

                  Well, I’ll add to your post. Even at VO here, we read about rocket addicts in the Amerz Strategic Rocket Forces, Minitmen 3 with problems with launches, now you won’t remember everything in detail, and it’s not so important, the fact that we have made 20 updates to the strategic nuclear forces over the past years and how many they have, where they have new missiles, developments - to compare, and it is clear in whose favor the advantage will be, not to mention the new developments of March 1 in the speech of the President (ours). I am calm for us in this regard.
                  1. Nikolay Fedorov
                    Nikolay Fedorov 22 December 2018 18: 14
                    +3
                    Quote: zhekazs
                    ... how many recent updates to the strategic nuclear forces have been made in recent years and how many they have, where they have new missiles, the developments are compared, and it can be seen in whose favor the advantage will be, not to mention the new developments of March 20 in the President’s speech ours). I am calm for us in this regard.

                    But I'm not at all calm. Probably, the experience of the past does not calm down. In the 91st USSR was very, very strong militarily. So what?! We were defeated without military confrontation. We won the dough in a smart way. They bribed the top leadership, dumped many, many clever lies on the heads of the people, created an artificial shortage of what is needed and an artificial surplus of what is needed. And in the end, we ourselves, joyfully smiling, hoping for the best (because now everything will be fine), broke our country to the joy of our enemies.
                    Here and now. It seems that the picture they draw to us is very patriotic and blissful: we are strong, who will twitch, we will fight back "it will not seem a little" and blah blah blah ... In reality, having thrown off the pink filters from glasses, I see a completely different picture: we squander the Kemsky volosts as unnecessary, juvenile justice is raging and gaining, gaining strength, the whole country has been imprisoned in debt bondage and given at the mercy of the bandits-collectors, inflation is wild, and not, as Medvedev said, "for 2018 three percent", ahead in 2019 two-fold increase in communal apartments ... Economically we are under pressure, and we are not getting stronger, but giving up positions one after another. The other day they gave away "Russian Aluminum" (Deripaska was moved and now the main Americans are there). The entire Russian forest is sawn by the Russians, sent to the pulp and paper mill, where the Russians work, paper is produced there, for example SvetoKopi or Snegurochka, they are successfully sold, and the money goes to foreign owners. And the defense enterprises producing our new products are our pride, who do you think they belong to? Patriotic citizens of Russia? If ... Will Americans Disable SWIFT? So then they will turn off Swift for themselves.
                    Go to any municipal, state office, any administration and see what officials work on, including high-level managers. Everyone is sitting on Russian software so that the adversary could not harm us in case of what? Gee-gee ... (officials say this, they don’t care at all). If everything continues in the same direction quietly, peacefully, they will kill and destroy us without any war. Because as slaves we are very bad, and they do not need bad slaves. That's why I want war, because then we will have a chance to win. In friendship and partnership with the Anglo-Saxons, we do not and will not have a single chance.
                    1. zhekazs
                      zhekazs 22 December 2018 18: 52
                      +2
                      Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
                      Nikolay Fedorov (Nikolay Fedorov) Today, 18:14

                      You, in your opinion, are largely right, but let's say this: for an optimist, the glass is half full, and for the pessimist, half is empty. It's me that not everything is so dirty and bad. About the bear: I consider him a criminal for giving the shelf. And the rest of the government lives in its reality, the people live separately and the people have inflation not three percent, well, that’s not the point, we can’t fix it now, and we don’t need revolutions yet. My opinion is that now the country needs a strong and tough leader, wait for 26 years, who will come after Putin and how he will manage.
                      Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
                      That's why I want war, because then we have a chance to win.

                      No, this is the last extreme. We need to educate our youth so that their country can be respected and surpassed in their knowledge and skills of all others in the economic intricacies of the world, and I am sure that our people, give them knowledge, will be head and shoulders stronger than everyone else.
                      Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
                      In friendship and partnership with the Anglo-Saxons, we have no chance.

                      I’m generally silent about these. The rotters of the Hindus, poisoned the Chinese, scoffed at the blacks, now have swung at Russia and the Slavs in general - I am not a fascist, but I am firmly convinced that this category of homo sapiens should be completely destroyed.
              2. Tarhan
                Tarhan 23 December 2018 19: 29
                0
                Putin said they would just die ... I agree with him. We are left with no choice.

                "Under the terms of an agreement signed between the United States and the USSR back in 1987, Moscow and Washington do not have the right to deploy intermediate and shorter-range missiles in Europe."

                And most importantly only rockets ground based.

                "As reported by the Voice of America, Russia must get rid of the 9M729 missile system, either modify it in accordance with the requirements of the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles (INF Treaty), signed by the leaders of the United States and the USSR in 1987. Otherwise, the United States will begin the procedure to withdraw from the treaty. This was announced on December 6 by Andrea Thompson, Deputy Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security. "

                Or modify it, This means that the 9m729 missile must be transferred from ground to air or sea. Then this rocket will not fall under the 1987 treaty.

                An example of a Tomahawk rocket. Under the INF Treaty, it cannot be deployed in Europe on a ground basis. But there is no ban on its air or sea basing.
            3. Strelets1
              Strelets1 21 December 2018 21: 56
              0
              Quote: Tiksi-3
              Do you even understand what you are calling for? Or do you think all at once the paws will raise? and if they smell all of Nata? ... ... the land of Russia is full of those who build roads ... ..

              --------------------------
              Judging by your post, the spiritual investigators of General Vlasov have not yet been translated into Russia ...
              Do you think you can sit in Tiksi, draining NATO to the European part of Russia?
              1. Tiksi-3
                Tiksi-3 23 December 2018 17: 12
                -1
                Quote: Strelets1
                Judging by your post, the inspectors of General Vlasov have not yet been translated into Russia.

                judging by your post, you are the first trouble in Russia (or are you building roads?)
                1. Strelets1
                  Strelets1 24 December 2018 00: 34
                  -1
                  [quote = Tiksi-3] judging by your post, you are the first trouble in Russia (or are you building roads?) [/ quote]

                  Judging by yours:
                  [quote] [/ quote] Quote: keeper03
                  We will defend ourselves and we can bang !!!

                  do you even understand what you are calling for? Or do you think they all raise their paws at once? and if they bang all Nata? ... "[/ quote]

                  to defend against NATO is fraught ... After all, they can start ...
                  So what does Tiksi 3 offer?

                  Or is it easiest to declare all fools?
                  1. Tiksi-3
                    Tiksi-3 24 December 2018 08: 49
                    -1
                    Quote: Strelets1
                    Or is it easiest to declare all fools?

                    what does the fool have to do with it?
                    you turn on logic, not cheers patriotic desires and you will be happy
            4. PalBor
              PalBor 21 December 2018 22: 20
              0
              That is, you suggest not to defend yourself request ?
            5. ruigat
              ruigat 22 December 2018 06: 36
              0
              Do you even understand what you are calling for? Or do you think all at once the paws will raise? and if they smell all over Nata?

              Of course they did. Of course they will, and instantly. They don’t sound like it, because the Fed owners rule them, who are used to PARADISE LIFE and sending millions of people to death, merge at the slightest threat of this death to SELF.
            6. Lycan
              Lycan 22 December 2018 19: 39
              +1
              Quote: Tiksi-3
              Do you even understand what you are calling for?

              Yes, he does not call. It simply states the fact that "the handles are untied" and the Russian Federation will be forced to apply whole Arsenal, if necessary, to defend and stabilize recognition. regions.
              Quote: Tiksi-3
              Or do you think all at once the paws will raise?

              No, they won't. But their craving for "tickling their nerves and their allies" - exceeded the majority in the vote. What can Russia do if the adversary breaks the treaty himself? Only to develop countermeasures against a potential "ill-considered step caused by the permissiveness" of the enemy.
              Quote: Tiksi-3
              and if they smell all over Nata?

              This is only possible if plans for a direct attack are implemented (following the example of Hitler's Germany), because why should we "dig out the ax of war" ourselves if no one is attacking?
            7. MKPU-115
              MKPU-115 23 December 2018 15: 58
              0
              Quote: Tiksi-3
              Quote: keeper03
              We will defend ourselves and we can bang !!!

              Do you even understand what you are calling for? Or do you think all at once the paws will raise? and if they smell all of Nata? ... ... the land of Russia is full of those who build roads ... ..

              Russia is not accustomed to fighting with all of Europe. Past lessons have been in vain, one thing pleases, the USA will not sit out overseas, and it will get to the fullest. And yes, we'll all die someday.
        2. da Vinci
          da Vinci 21 December 2018 22: 06
          0
          And rockets Who and Where are you lucky?
        3. SSR
          SSR 22 December 2018 05: 38
          +1
          Quote: dorz
          The world expects the Caribbean crisis v2.0. sad

          The Caribbean, it was rather an American popol, now we will not be able to install missiles 250 km from the United States, but they can.
          Now there are a lot of missiles to the United States and now, the base of the United States is in the woods and there will be missiles to France and England, and Israel ..... will spur everyone ...
          When the United States leaves the INF Treaty, you need to make it clear - you are placing the United States' bases at your place - that all key facilities of the country, capitals and major cities, are under the gun of nuclear weapons, since in the event of US aggression, "reservists" can be recruited there.
          Damn, the mattresses are tiring, I read their comments and there is an impression that they may be sitting and scribbling, but other signs show that these are mattresses.
        4. den3080
          den3080 22 December 2018 06: 54
          0
          Yes, it seems that it is not the Caribbean crisis that awaits peace, but a full-scale war.
          Anglo-Saxon creatures really want to try ... set on fire wherever they can.
          And who abstained wondering?
        5. igorka357
          igorka357 22 December 2018 07: 31
          0
          Seriously, where are we going to put the missiles? There’s no cuba, Venezuela is not a fool, unlike the tri-balts!
      2. hrych
        hrych 21 December 2018 20: 11
        +28
        Just a few countries have medium-range missiles (India, China, Pakistan, Israel, Iran, etc.), many countries have shorter-range missiles. And so everyone will have to refuse it, and there will be a control system. For the Russian Federation, of course, this treaty is like shackles, for it concerns ground-based missiles, and we, in fact, are the land power and the Heartland. Therefore, the introduction of such resolutions is of course symbolic. Universal Frontier will go into a series that will be mobile and yet it will be the heart of Barguzin. We will place ground gauges and onyxes without restrictions, and Iskander’s BR will finally fly away for 1000 km, and even further, of course, with relatively light YaBCh laughing
        1. sak1969
          sak1969 21 December 2018 20: 33
          +4
          hrych
          Just some countries have cavo there (India, China, Pakistan, Israel, Iran, etc.) this is a secondary issue.
          As if the Russian Federation and the United States are not affected, like we are not enemies and we can’t get to America.
          But when it appears in Europe, within walking distance from us, it is very serious.
          1. hrych
            hrych 21 December 2018 20: 38
            +16
            Quote: sak1969
            do not reach America

            From Anadyr, Pioneer shot the entire West Coast of the USA to Minnesota, where a quarter of the US population lives. Now they will establish the border. Therefore, it concerns Americans, and how. Well, all of the EU is certainly in the competence of this class of missiles. Yes, all of Eurasia.
            1. cniza
              cniza 21 December 2018 20: 55
              +2
              If there is a button, then all our reasoning ...
            2. sak1969
              sak1969 21 December 2018 21: 09
              +4
              Quote: hrych

              From Anadyr, Pioneer shot the entire West Coast of the USA to Minnesota, where a quarter of the US population lives. Now they will establish the border. Therefore, it concerns Americans, and how. Well, all of the EU is certainly in the competence of this class of missiles. Yes, all of Eurasia.

              There are no "Pioneers" to take from anywhere - they are cut to the last. But the division in Chukotka will now rise again. Not the 99th, but the coastal defense of the Pacific Fleet.
              The main thing, of course, is the Elmendorf airbase. From here, from well-heated hangars, the latest American fifth-generation F-22 Raptor fighters regularly fly into the sky to intercept Russian strategic missile carriers. If, for example, in Chukotka, under the reliable wing of the naval division of the coastal defense, the Russian Iskander tactical complexes will soon appear, then under certain circumstances the overseas F-22s may not be in time to intercept the Russian “strategists”.
              US missile attack warning stations suddenly go out.
              1. Grits
                Grits 21 December 2018 21: 27
                +2
                Quote: sak1969
                There are no "Pioneers" to take from anywhere - they are cut to the last.

                And now the Pioneers are not needed - they were replaced by Rubezh. Already finished, it remains only to run the conveyor. And Gudym in Chukotka was already waiting, he wants to update his infrastructure
                1. sak1969
                  sak1969 21 December 2018 22: 15
                  0
                  Now obsolete coastal missile systems (DBK) Redut and Rubezh are being withdrawn from the coastal missile and artillery troops (BRAV). Instead, by 2021, the fleet will receive modern DBK Bastion and Ball.
                  1. Grits
                    Grits 21 December 2018 22: 23
                    +3
                    Quote: sak1969
                    Now obsolete coastal missile systems (DBK) Redut and Rubezh are being withdrawn from the coastal missile and artillery troops (BRAV). Instead, by 2021, the fleet will receive modern DBK Bastion and Ball.

                    This is not DBK Rubezh, but the new SMD Rubezh missile. Ours created and launched it when testing at a distance of a little more than 5000 km. So that the Americans do not scream. And put on the shelf this finished project. How they felt. It turns out that this is a very weird racket. They wanted to arm the BRD, but they also postponed it. Now the project will be launched. Everything is ready - both Boundary and BRD
                    1. sak1969
                      sak1969 21 December 2018 22: 30
                      0
                      I thought that we had problems with BRD!
              2. Strelets1
                Strelets1 21 December 2018 22: 19
                +1
                Quote: sak1969
                The main thing, of course, is the Elmendorf airbase.

                =========================
                Not only. Alaska still has many goals. There is a U.S. NMD US position in Fort Greeley (44 GBI interceptors) - US NDR funds for ab Clear and about. Shemiah (Aleutian Islands). Somewhere nearby a floating platform (by the way of a Russian-built) with a SBX SPRN radar is wound ... Thunder is all and the northern direction for firing ICBMs and SLBMs of the Russian Federation in the US is generally open ...
            3. Grits
              Grits 21 December 2018 21: 25
              +6
              Quote: hrych
              Well, all of the EU is certainly in the competence of this class of missiles.

              nevertheless, Ukraine and Poland tearfully requested a suicide club
              1. hrych
                hrych 21 December 2018 21: 28
                +6
                Quote: Gritsa
                suicide club

                So Poroshenko - Florizel wassat
                1. Grits
                  Grits 21 December 2018 21: 33
                  0
                  Based on the prevailing situation in recent days, there was a chance for one of these petitioners to withdraw from the game for good. You should not miss such a unique chance (as in 2014), and play along with a potential suicide. The result will be impressive - instead of approaching possible future RSDM missiles at our temple, push them away from us and stick them at the temple of NATO. Interestingly, will our leadership take this chance or will they later cry about the threat that has arisen?
              2. Strelets1
                Strelets1 21 December 2018 22: 26
                -1
                Quote: Gritsa
                Quote: hrych
                Well, all of the EU is certainly in the competence of this class of missiles.

                nevertheless, Ukraine and Poland tearfully requested a suicide club


                And what else should rogues do - beg for loot and ... hehe ... substitute the backside (i.e., territories under American bases) ...
                The EU removes the Poles from subsidies either from 2019 or from 2020, but nezalezhniks have been sitting on IMF needles and US handouts for 4 years already ...
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          2. XXXIII
            XXXIII 21 December 2018 23: 06
            0
            Quote: sak1969
            But when it appears in Europe, within walking distance from us, it is very serious.

            It doesn’t scare Russia, because in October 1962 the United States deployed US nuclear weapons in Turkey, and the USSR deployed military units, equipment and weapons, including nuclear weapons, to Cuba. By the way, only recently our Tu-160 flew to Cuba, in Washington they probably think that it was a friendly visit or they know but they are silent, they are suffering ..... smile .... And it reminds more and more the plot with "Kennedy", a play of nerves, whether "Trump" will withstand the pressure that his environment creates for him and his politics. But it seems he is not "Kennedy", only recently he fired the "mad dog", will he go too far with excitement, the question is ... hi
          3. ruigat
            ruigat 22 December 2018 06: 53
            +1
            As if the Russian Federation and the United States are not affected, like we are not enemies and we can’t get to America.
            But when it appears in Europe, within walking distance from us, it is very serious.

            Come on. The owners of the Fed with the help of bases on the territory of slave countries can get anywhere in the Russian Federation. The owners of the Fed are not tearing this agreement against the Russian Federation (for the action is useless and even harmful), allowing not all expensive ICBMs, the number of which is limited, but cheaper BMDs, to all sorts of Poland, France and the United Kingdom), but against China, which has no restrictions.
        2. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 21 December 2018 20: 51
          -4
          Quote: hrych
          and we are actually a land power


          who told you this? you carefully study the geographical map from the long sea borders of all countries ... ... maybe stop repeating like a prayer - "land power"
          1. hrych
            hrych 21 December 2018 20: 58
            +11
            And these maritime borders are unpopulated and lie thousands of kilometers from our main military-political and economic centers, and the main place of residence of our citizens. And our capital is not on the coast. Therefore, look at the map or do not look, but our main population in the Volga-Oksk interfluve and is settled along the Trans-Siberian Railway.
            1. Antares
              Antares 21 December 2018 23: 25
              -2
              Quote: hrych
              And these maritime borders are unpopulated and lie thousands of kilometers from our main military-political and economic centers, and the main place of residence of our citizens.

              in general, the largest coastal part is the Arctic Ocean. What kind of activity can there be? And population density? True, no. The Gulf Stream provides only Murmansk and BM activities. The remaining ports are in inland seas. DV is underdeveloped.
              Due to the size of the Russian Federation, it is not so easy to be strong everywhere. On the whole, one can be yes - but the example of the RJV immediately leads to the thought of the impossibility of being everywhere and equally.
          2. Strelets1
            Strelets1 21 December 2018 23: 00
            0
            Quote: Tiksi-3
            Quote: hrych
            and we are actually a land power


            who told you this? you carefully study the geographical map from the long sea borders of all countries ... ... maybe stop repeating like a prayer - "land power"


            Not exactly - according to Huntington, we are a continental power, unlike the United States and Great Britain, which are truly maritime because of their geographical position ... Great Britain today, of course, doesn’t mean that in the times of the British Empire, but nevertheless they have naval strategic nuclear forces (albeit armed with American SLBMs) ​​...

            Well, to be honest - a powerful ocean fleet (both civilian and military) was created in the USSR in the last two decades of its existence (70-80), but since the time of the Gorbachev region it underwent gradual destruction and was finally finished off during the reign EBNovskoy shobly ...
            And it has not yet been restored until now - and is alive only thanks to the sea component of the Russian strategic nuclear forces - nuclear submarines with SLBMs and multipurpose nuclear submarines ...
            One Kuzya with Peter and several BOD and missile cruisers still of the USSR construction can hardly be called a powerful ocean fleet ...
            Well, there’s nothing to talk about the civilian fleet (merchant, fishing) - everything has been sold out, plundered, squandered ... in the Baltic and the North, there is practically nothing left of the way ... Something has survived in the Far East - Primorye, Kamchatka, Sakhalin and all ... and even that - junk sinking together with the crews annually ...
            The only thing that causes pride is the nuclear icebreaker fleet of the Russian Federation - the legacy of the USSR that we preserve and develop ... well, naturally, the nuclear submarine fleet allows us to maintain nuclear parity with the United States in many ways ...
            True, there is hope for a revival of civilian (and indeed military) ocean fleets ... since they finally began to revive the Russian shipbuilding industry, which was thoroughly defeated during the collapse of the USSR ... and the mere loss of the Ukrainian part of the military-industrial complex was worth a lot ...
            Well, as you know - to break - not to build ... A lot of money is needed to restore the ocean fleet ... and time ... not one decade ...
            Look, in the 21st century we’ve been wriggling for 18 years - and so far only the strategic nuclear forces (nuclear submarines) have been updated - and not all at all, but on surface - only the corvettes and frigates are riveted - about EM, KR URO, BOD, aircraft carriers so far only talk. ..
            One modern UDC (Ivan Gren) and 4 scouts (2 built, 2 laid ...)
            1. hrych
              hrych 22 December 2018 00: 29
              +1
              Therefore, the Russian Federation builds ships of the near zone, but equips them with long-range strike weapons in order to organize the defense of the sea borders of the Heartland in the first place. We have not forgotten the far zone, the nuclear submarines are confirming this, respectively, Anthei has been retrained from the Assassins of aircraft carriers, to multipurpose vehicles, including striking at enemy cities and as power projection ships. To the ships of the far zone, except for Kuznetsov and the nuclear ones Peter and Nakhimov, the cruisers Moscow, Varyag and Ustinov, the ships of the far zone are represented by destroyers and large anti-submarine ships, of which we have 7 (though 3 of them are in reserve) and 9 (1 of them are in reserve ), respectively, as well as new for the Russian fleet ships - frigates, 2 of which are on the water (one in service, one on sea trials). There are 2 more patrol ships 22160 in the far zone, one taken into the squad, the second on the way. Those. the squadron for the far zone is quite something to collect from and thanks to the nuclear submarines, of course, not everything is so bad. And in the future there will be 8-15 frigates and 8-20 destroyers Leader, with a preliminary design of which they finally decided. By 2 patrol 22160, 4 more are under construction. If everything works out, then the far zone will also be represented very powerfully and without nuclear submarines.
              1. Tiksi-3
                Tiksi-3 22 December 2018 12: 20
                -1
                Quote: hrych
                accordingly, Antei has been retrained from Assassins of aircraft carriers, into multipurpose vehicles, including striking at enemy cities and as force projection ships

                belay wassat laughing it is Anthei !!!!! .... how much did you retrain? - 0 today - 0, and in 1.5 years there will be only one !!! you would have ceased to engage in propaganda, and then ANTEY ... .. land power !!! Must be ashamed of such posts!
                1. hrych
                  hrych 22 December 2018 14: 43
                  +3
                  And what do we laugh? 2 in modernization on Caliber / Onyx / Zircons, 1 in repair and also in modernization, one more will be a carrier of deep-sea vehicles and Poseidon, and 5 for the time being in service and the family of Granites is quite an excellent rocket, it has already been adapted for firing along the coast, recently tests. There are a lot of missiles, high-tech weapons and will be replaced as targets and so forth. This is an expensive missile, that it is necessary to slap it to replace new devices with a lot of time and time frames, as well as a granite carrier of nuclear weapons, with a possible half-megaton charge. PUs are very voluminous, it includes everything you want, even a BR, it includes a 10-meter-long monster in diameter. Therefore, Antei is very promising for modernization. And there are as many as 9 of them, each with monstrous power, given 24 launchers, where you can put 72 (3 launchers in each) Calibrov device, from strategic, missiles, anti-ship missiles with supersonic steps, rocket torpedoes, rocket torpedo rockets and deep-level rocket bombs . Onyx, native Granite, promising Zircon, also the possibility of using tactical and shorter range BR. And besides 24 inclined launchers, it has 2 TA 650 mm and 4 TA 533 mm, which also, except for torpedoes and rocket torpedoes (Wind, Waterfall, Caliber-PL / NK), go there, and with the possibility of reloading different ammunition nomenclature, you can include the same ZM-14 and ZM-54. Only up to 28 devices. Those. Each Antey can carry up to one hundred gifts to partners. And one converted to submarine vehicle carriers is also not lost to society, perhaps its combat power and combat capabilities to inflict damage to the enemy, taking into account Poseidon, will exceed all others. And what is rust and snappy?
                  Quote: Tiksi-3
                  land power !!! Must be ashamed of such posts!

                  No, it’s not a shame, our main centers and population are far from the coast. Our logistic and trade routes are land. And the expansionist doctrine in our country is solid. But the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, the floor of the Arctic Ocean, etc., partly recognized by the world community (the Sea of ​​Okhotsk), partly not yet, but we are positioning the coastal shelf as an internal water area. There we know how to fight with support on the shore, where we have quite a powerful coastal fleet. That is the point. And the maritime powers are building their logistics and security differently. Their logistics and supply are mainly marine, their cities and population are concentrated in the coastal zone, their expansionist doctrine goes across the oceans, and even where they can get into, they try not to go deep from the coast. Now refute wassat
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 22 December 2018 14: 47
                    -2
                    Quote: hrych
                    No, it’s not a shame, our main centers and population are far from the coast. Our logistic and trade routes are land.

                    Quote: hrych
                    Now refute

                    Well, firstly, then why was it so bad for Crimea, and secondly, let’s say so to the question of Syria, how much could I throw something into Syria by air?
                    And Syria is a trifle, but not a war.
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 22 December 2018 15: 34
                      +2
                      Crimea controls the coastal waters, and the Russian Federation, thanks to its shape, plus Abkhazia, actually captured half of the coastline of the Black Sea, and of Azov, where it started to creep up on the coast. In order to make the Black Sea - the inland sea and ... protect your firmament from the approach of enemy ships, to the distance of launching missiles at our centers inland. Those. we again rely on our firmament, and not work in Papua New Guinea or in Panama. Although the Syrian shelf is remote from the Russian Federation, there has always been and is the possibility of a land corridor, if the same Iran and Iraq are impatient with our land army, they will not be able to refuse it. And the lightning capture of the Syrian shelf by the squadron and the confrontation with the NATO squadron, of course, is something new for modern Russia, but does not mean a change in the dominant doctrine of the continental power. And Syria is such a trifle that it is 9 times larger than Israel, hundreds of thousands fought from different sides using armored vehicles and aircraft, although the latter among the Barmels is represented by drones and Israeli aircraft, which suffered losses, by the way.
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 22 December 2018 15: 46
                        0
                        Quote: hrych
                        and the Russian Federation, thanks to its shape, plus Abkhazia, actually captured half of the Black Sea coastline

                        So what ? Did it turn the Black Sea into the inland sea of ​​Russia?
                        Quote: hrych
                        and ... to secure your firmament from the approach of enemy ships, to the distance of launching missiles at our centers in the depths of the territory

                        It made fun, did enemy ships stop entering the Black Sea? belay
                        Quote: hrych
                        Those. we again rely on our firmament

                        cool, and what to do about it?
                        How many countries have access to the Black Sea? Which ones are in NATo? Which of them is an ally of the Russian Federation?
                        Quote: hrych
                        And the lightning-fast capture of the Syrian shelf national squadron and confrontation with the NATO squadron, of course, something new for modern Russia

                        was the shelf occupied?
                        In a parallel universe, I guess.

                        Quote: hrych
                        And Syria is such a trifle that 9 times more than Israel

                        And what did it give her. ?
                        Switzerland or Luxembourg is hundreds and thousands of times smaller than the Russian Federation and?
                        Did it somehow lower their standard of living?
                        Quote: hrych
                        hundreds of thousands fought from different sides using armored vehicles and aviation

                        Come on, millions fought.
                        pasties on wheelbarrows.
                        Quote: hrych
                        though the last among the barmaley is represented by drones and Israeli aircraft that suffered losses, by the way.

                        from Syrian air defense
                      2. hrych
                        hrych 22 December 2018 16: 45
                        +3
                        Quote: atalef
                        Did it turn the Black Sea into the inland sea of ​​Russia?

                        In fact, yes. Call it a controlling stake wassat You probably understand this more. And gas pipes were thrown into the Turks, even though it seemed to be at the bottom, but this is an economic and logistical route, and on land, excluding the fleet from circulation. For the most part, the sea was divided with the Turks, and all sorts of Romanian-Bulgarians, and even more so Maidan, were contemplators in this matter. Enemy ships enter and exit according to Montreux, i.e. They behave not as owners, but as guests, but if they start to behave provocatively, they are chased with rags of rags like Cook. This must be understood. Russia’s ally there Turkey, although situational, is completely tied up with the economy and, above all, with pipes. Therefore, no matter how the West screams, even though the Turks are formally in NATO, they did not interfere with us on the Syrian Express, but they could. Our main ally is the army and navy, well, the VKS and the Strategic Missile Forces were added, let's say, the allies are even cooler. But these friends actually increased the coastline of the Russian Federation at the expense of the Crimea and Abkhazia, and perhaps Syria too. And friends like Israel, it’s better without such friends wassat In Syria, millions are affected, almost 5 million refugees alone. SAA and militias of more than one and a half hundred thousand, SSA more than 50 thousand, Daishaki up to 200 thousand (including the territory of Iraq), SDS up to 30 thousand, YPG and YPJ more than 65 thousand, all these forces are involved in the war. And what is there to be ironic? They live in Luxembourg full and boho poor years 40, well, 50. And in an instant, all this can go to dust, as in the SFRY, Libya and Iraq. Especially if there are no Boreev and Governor. The French rebelled, the Germans were killed on the street, etc. Therefore, especially representatives of your ethnic group, they should not have been trumped by temporary prosperity and affluence. It simply should not. Yes, it is lower in the Russian Federation, we spend a lot on defense and megaprojects, but we have a prospect a thousand years ahead, but for some, we could hold out for a decade and not get lost. Moreover, we have no friends, but you also have no friends. And if we have not so many obvious enemies, but for some, all the peoples and ethnic groups of the world ... That Christians, that Mohammedans, are automatically religious. Well, the more financiers ...
                      3. atalef
                        atalef 22 December 2018 17: 03
                        -4
                        Quote: hrych
                        In fact, yes.


                        Quote: hrych
                        We call it a controlling stake. You probably understand more.

                        ??
                        it’s not clear, you don’t even have preferred shares.
                        Quote: hrych
                        . And gas pipes were thrown into the Turks,

                        You drove them into Ukraine laughing
                        Quote: hrych
                        For the most part, the sea was divided with the Turks, and all kinds of Romanian-Bulgarians, and even more so Maidan, were contemplators in this matter

                        Sea divider.
                        The flagship of the Sixth Fleet of the United States, Mount Whitney, based in the Mediterranean Sea, entered the Black Sea to participate in the Ukrainian-US military exercises Sea Breeze. A day earlier, the American missile destroyer Porter arrived there for the same purpose.

                        Quote: hrych
                        Therefore, no matter how the West screams, even though the Turks are formally in NATO, they did not interfere with us on the Syrian Express, but they could.

                        how and why ?
                        Quote: hrych
                        But these friends actually increased the coastline of the Russian Federation at the expense of the Crimea and Abkhazia, yes perhaps Syria

                        Does Syria have access to the Black Sea?


                        Quote: hrych
                        Living in Luxembourg is full and bohato of unfortunate years 40, well, 50

                        alternative reality again does not give you life

                        Quote: hrych
                        And in a jiffy, all this can turn to dust, as in the SFRY, Libya and Iraq.

                        And in the Russian Federation, as I understand it, this cannot happen and that is probably why there wasn’t any in the Russian Federation
                        Quote: hrych
                        Living in Luxembourg is full and bohato of unfortunate years 40, well, 50

                        Quote: hrych
                        Therefore, especially representatives of your ethnic group, trump cards should not be temporary prosperity and prosperity.

                        there is nothing more permanent than temporary laughing
                        You know that for sure.
                        We have no crisis, we have temporary difficulties ”3 ... 1 Message from Russian President Dmitry Medvedev to the Federal Assembly
                        2008 year wink /

                        Quote: hrych
                        Yes, in Russia it is lower, we spend a lot on defense and megaprojects, but the prospect we have a thousand years to come

                        I already heard about communism in the 80's.


                        Quote: hrych
                        Moreover, we have no friends, but you also have no friends.

                        You don’t have it, but we have
                        Quote: hrych
                        And if we have not so many obvious enemies

                        Then everyone else is hidden laughing
                      4. hrych
                        hrych 22 December 2018 17: 37
                        +2
                        I will not be ironic about how Europe was cleared of your ethnic group in the middle of the 20th century, this is a tragedy. And how fun it was at the beginning of the 20th century, the angels of the revolution were direct. Half of the people ended up in the USA, the second half in Palestine shed blood for Western TNCs, how they kicked you out of Sinai when you sorted out Suez, etc. Or is this an alternative story? Was not Auschwitz? Not only that, you still have ahead in the USA and Palestine. Such contradictions arose that one could not do without bloodshed. The USA, as the project begins to mimic, from a hegemon and a gendarme, is simply turning into a large and developed state. They are leaving Syria, and Afghanistan will soon leave. Mr. Trump is a transitional element from globalism to statehood. Whether you like it or not, you are fed up or not. And the Israelis in globalization are hardware. The Saudis have already begun problems, and they are much more important than Israel for the Global System. Already after Camp David, the project - Israel cracked at the seams. And after the defeat of Hussein, the reformatting of Iraq and Syria, the need completely disappeared. Benya is trying to save the project, saying that we are needed against Iran. So the latter does nothing special, they are being handed over to him by Lebanon, Iraq, and Yemen, well, Russia’s Syria was taken under him, okay. Not that Iran kicks off, but there is no merit. This is the West doing it. You are there with a small-town consciousness and wonder how, so, Iran is not allowed to plummet. He is a reliable partner of the EU and Japan with Korea so that there is a part of the Golden Billion. And the lobby in the USA does not help much. Therefore, of course, Ukraine and I will soon end, and everything will only begin for you and some will receive an account for Ukraine. Let's argue and see.
                      5. atalef
                        atalef 22 December 2018 17: 52
                        0
                        Quote: hrych
                        I won’t be ironic how Europe was cleared of your ethnos in the middle of the 20 century, this is a tragedy

                        strange how your comment is perceived, you regret not ironic?
                        Quote: hrych
                        Half of the people ended up in the United States, the other half in Palestine shed blood for Western TNCs

                        in xnumx r western multinationals?
                        Are you out of your mind?
                        Here, one half of the people are sure that they are fighting in Syria so that the Qatari gas would not go to Europe (to the detriment of Gazprom), and the second for nishtyaks and oil from Syria - you are probably trying to shift your complexes to others
                        Quote: hrych
                        how they kicked you out of Sinai when they figured out Suez, etc.

                        Seriously, when?
                        Is this when signing a peace with Egypt or what?
                        How many territories has Russia returned to China, recall?
                        Quote: hrych
                        The USA, as the project begins to mimic, from a hegemon and a gendarme, is simply turning into a large and developed state.

                        They always had it, but about his imminent death, they told me back at school in the USSR.
                        USSR, remember 25 years ago there was such a country.
                        Quote: hrych
                        Mr. Trump is a transitional element from globalism to statehood. Whether you like it or not, you are fed up or not

                        Expaird
                        Quote: hrych
                        The Saudis have already begun problems, and they are much more important than Israel for the Global System.

                        You would have their problems laughing
                        Quote: hrych
                        Already after Camp David, the project - Israel cracked at the seams

                        Seriously ?
                        Is this about the 1977 agreement of the year?
                        40 years ago.
                        This is only 29 years more laughing
                        By the way, Israel exists more than the USSR (on the issue of birds)
                        USSR - 69 years, Israel 70.
                        Do you want to talk about it?
                        Quote: hrych
                        do not let Iran smell. He is a reliable partner of the EU and Japan with Korea so that there is a part of the Golden Billion.

                        Time will tell .
                        You won the same 5 years ago screaming - More sanctions !!!
                        For some reason, now these cries are not heard.
                        Quote: hrych
                        Therefore, of course, Ukraine and I will soon end

                        Well, yes, already 5 years ends
                        Quote: hrych
                        and you will only begin

                        First, you will end up with Ukraine, and only then we will be given away.
                        I'm talking about the fact that we are bent not today - so tomorrow, I hear from you - well, from the first day you are on the site, and you and your dad and grandfather probably told you about this laughing
                        Quote: hrych
                        Let's argue and see.

                        Come on.
                      6. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 23 December 2018 12: 20
                        0
                        Well, you and the humpback lad stuck.
                  2. Tiksi-3
                    Tiksi-3 22 December 2018 16: 17
                    0
                    Quote: hrych
                    2 in modernization to Caliber / Onyx / Zircons, 1 in repair and also in modernization,

                    one in the modernization for calibers / onyx - one, but after all you APPROVED above -
                    Quote: Tiksi-3
                    Quote: hrych
                    accordingly, Antei has been retrained from Assassins of aircraft carriers, into multipurpose vehicles, including striking at enemy cities and as force projection ships

                    declaring this, you claim that THEY are already in service with the Russian Navy ... ... ..then there is no point in arguing with you - you are caught in the inconsistency of your statements with the real state of affairs! .......... "land power" ......... Peter-Rostov-Vladik-Petropavlovsk-Murmansk and the whole north-Novorossiysk-Sevastopol-Kaliningrad-Astrakhan-Arkhangelsk ……….
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 22 December 2018 17: 15
                      +3
                      Quote: Tiksi-3
                      You claim that they are already in service with the Russian Navy

                      They are in service, for they adapted Granite to attack stationary objects, as was the recent test. And I repeat again, there are 4 TAs of 533 mm caliber, from where you can strike with all Caliber devices (do not touch 24 Granit launchers, leave Granite there), including ZM-14, i.e. strategic missiles with a range of up to 2700 km in the nuclear version. What is not clear?
                      Quote: Tiksi-3
                      "land power" …… .. Peter-Rostov-Vladik-Petropavlovsk-Murmansk

                      I understand that the logic of the problem is, but I won’t list all the cities of the Russian Plain, the Urals, Siberia and the Far East, which are hundreds and thousands of kilometers from the coast, I won’t list the population of cities and compare you because Moscow alone exceeds you listed cities. And Murmansk with the Peter and Paul Fortress with a population of two hundred thousand. Even Vladivostok is not a megalopolis, for it’s not even a millionaire. Fershteen? I will not compare the turnover of ports with passenger traffic and the turnover of domestic economic routes, which are railway, roads, pipelines and power lines. Because it's pointless. There is heaven and earth. Our capital is not at sea, our main army, the air force and strategic missile forces are not at sea. Yes, there is a part of the marine triad, but it is a quarter of the land and air. Is that clear? We are a CONTINENTAL power, albeit with vast water areas. Our main trading partners are the EU, China, Turkey and the CIS. The commodity circulation goes dry with them, for we border stupidly. Even offshore pipelines are a form of land communications depriving a fleet of goods. We built a bridge for Crimea, connecting it with the land of the Russian Federation. And even the loss of the entire water area will not lead to the death of the state, will not lead to a violation of internal communications. This is clear? Russia did not have access to the Baltic Sea, did not have access to the Black Sea, there was nothing to do in the Arctic, and no one reached the Pacific Ocean. But under Ivan the Terrible, Russia was a powerful and large power that all neighbors feared. So it formed and only then it cut through to the indicated seas, relying on land power, and the fleet did not exist at all and nothing. Fershteen?
                      1. Tiksi-3
                        Tiksi-3 22 December 2018 17: 37
                        0
                        Quote: hrych
                        Our capital is not at sea

                        never when did you hear that Moscow is the capital of 4 seas? Yes, and all the cities of the Russian Federation are on the rivers)) ... enough, you have statements that SK Makarov is a ship in the far sea zone ... ...
                      2. hrych
                        hrych 22 December 2018 17: 53
                        +1
                        And here the rivers and the ocean. Russia is a country of great rivers. All the cities are on the rivers and what? What does the sea power have to do with it? We take Wikipedia, open the Makarov patrol ship, click on the link (blue inscription "project 11356"), go over and read:
                        Project 11356R / M frigates, code "Petrel" (NATO codification - Krivak V) - a series of multi-purpose patrol ships far sea zone for the Russian Navy.
                        ... Next, I am ready to listen to you, they say Wikipedia is a deceitful and illiterate source. But I'll answer right away. See the cruising range, and this is almost 5 thousand nautical miles and be silent for ever. For belonging to the far sea zone is determined by the range and autonomy. That's why they are adjectives: "distant" and "near".
                      3. Tiksi-3
                        Tiksi-3 22 December 2018 18: 24
                        -1
                        Quote: hrych
                        Like Wikipedia is a deceitful and illiterate source.

                        well, that's for sure 75%
                        Quote: hrych
                        Watch the cruising range, which is almost 5 thousand nautical miles and shut up forever.

                        listen and obey wikipedia expert !!!
                      4. hrych
                        hrych 22 December 2018 18: 42
                        0
                        Quote: Tiksi-3
                        I listen and obey

              2. Strelets1
                Strelets1 24 December 2018 00: 51
                0
                Quote: hrych
                If everything works out, then the far zone will also be represented very powerfully and without nuclear submarines ....
                Therefore, Antei is very promising for modernization.


                With all due respect to the Navy (I myself served a lot in the Navy at the time) and I have to point out your knowledge - my post noted the state of the surface ocean components of the Russian Navy today. Of course, I want to believe in the best prospects, but just the same modernization is not so simple and fast, much less the design and construction of new modern warships in the ocean zone.
                Therefore, they quickly built up small corvettes and frigates in order to at least in this way strengthen the combat effectiveness of the surface part of the fleet, at least in the deep sea zone ...
                1. hrych
                  hrych 24 December 2018 02: 38
                  +1
                  For a defensive doctrine, it is the fleet of the near zone that is more important, but our Corvettes and RTOs have excellent striking power and radius of destruction. And air defense, ZGRLS, coastal complexes and naval aviation gives additional protection to the fleet of the near zone. The main task of the surface fleet is to prevent the capture of our coast and to prevent the enemy from reaching the line of attack of our centers. Well, of course, to conduct the SSBN calmly into the patrol zone. For the far zone, we are now able to assemble an attack squadron and even more than one. And that's enough. It was the USSR that tried to establish a presence around the world. We don’t need it now. Neutralization of the enemy’s compounds is now easier for nuclear submarines, there is no need to pursue, and Antei lost the job for which he was created. When the Syrian shelf was captured, a squadron was assembled that was not inferior to the NATO fleet and the task was completed, the enemy retreated. The cruisers Moscow and Varyag, BPC Panteleev, Storozhevik Nestrashimy, BDK Nevelskoy, Minsk, Peresvet, Shabalin and Novocherkassk (urgently needed to take the coast and deploy coastal defense), as well as ships of the near zone such as the Shtil missile and the Ivanovets missile participated in it. Okay, go not far. Those. the squadron provided cover for the landing of our BDK and capture the coast. The coastal defense was naturally deployed and the deployed aircraft provided air cover. Of course, somewhere there went submarines of unknown class and quantity. From the enemy side there were 5 destroyers, a frigate, 3 nuclear submarines and 1 BDK to capture the coast, but which, 6 if not 7 times more than our BDK in terms of displacement. There were a couple of missile launches that we intercepted. Obama took off, the battle for the Syrian coast was won, the enemy squadron retreated. So that with a proud head they retreated, Putin leaked them the Syrian chemical weapons. If the Americans leave now, then the Syrian war will be won by us, but the decisive factor was precisely the confrontation of the squadrons and the fact that we were the first to carry out the landing and capture of the coast. Those. naval battle without shed blood and sunken ships.
            2. hrych
              hrych 22 December 2018 00: 50
              +1
              I also forgot 3 ships in the far zone, Frigates (sometimes called watchdogs) of project 11356, 3 in service, 3 in construction. They are caliber carriers, aircraft carriers with a helicopter and rocket torpedoes. It’s quite on the level.
        3. Tusv
          Tusv 21 December 2018 20: 52
          +2
          Quote: hrych
          Just a few countries have medium-range missiles (India, China, Pakistan, Israel, Iran, etc.),

          Oh Old Hrych. Missiles have many. The quarrel of the Russian Federation with the USA is the gin from the Bottle. According to the Pentagon - We can’t get so much down. And according to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs they will keep quiet in a rag. The chances of the Pentagon are not so bright, if not zero hi
        4. Hypersound
          Hypersound 21 December 2018 21: 07
          +1
          Quote: hrych
          Therefore, the introduction of such resolutions is of course symbolic

          I agree. Surely even if the majority voted against the denunciation of the document, would this force the US and the Russian Federation to remain in the treaty? In my opinion, any party has the right to withdraw from it unilaterally, even if the UN were against
          1. Strelets1
            Strelets1 21 December 2018 23: 14
            0
            Quote: Hypersound
            I agree. Surely even if the majority voted against the denunciation of the document, would this force the US and the Russian Federation to remain in the treaty? In my opinion, any party has the right to withdraw from it unilaterally, even if the UN were against

            Yes, it was just our answer to Chamberlain ... to show the world and Europe in particular - hu of who ...

            And in my opinion, even our politicians were stunned (and the Americans too) by such a result - despite all the efforts of the United States - practically wifi-wifi - a single vote ... this is of course a hard blow to the pride of the USA ...
            1. Hypersound
              Hypersound 21 December 2018 23: 26
              -2
              Quote: Strelets1
              And in my opinion, even our politicians were stunned (and the Americans too) by such a result - despite all the efforts of the United States - practically wifi-wifi - a single vote ... this is of course a hard blow to the pride of the USA ...

              This is of course yes, a trend, but fear also played a role. Nobody wants a new arms race for hyperpowers and an increased risk of planetary nuclear armageddon
      3. Egorovich
        Egorovich 21 December 2018 20: 16
        +7
        What kind of degenerates you need to be in order to follow the United States under the INF Treaty. West, do you have a mind! ????? It seems not!
        1. AnpeL
          AnpeL 21 December 2018 20: 23
          +1
          there is rather no will of their own. even under pain of destruction
          1. cniza
            cniza 21 December 2018 20: 56
            +1
            Insanity begins to rule the world.
        2. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 21 December 2018 21: 30
          +1
          West, you have a mind
          It's just that the filthy capitalists are in power there.
          “Provide capital with 10% profit, and capital agrees to any use, with 20% it becomes lively, with 50% it is positively ready to break its head, with 100% it violates all human laws, with 300% there is no crime for which it does not would venture to go, even under fear of the gallows ”
        3. Strelets1
          Strelets1 21 December 2018 23: 20
          -1
          Quote: Egorovich
          What kind of degenerates you need to be in order to follow the United States under the INF Treaty. West, do you have a mind! ????? It seems not!


          ... NATO however ... where can you get from it ... only France during the time of de Gaulle ventured to leave the NATO military organization (and then she participated in the political organization and paid contributions ...)
          But this is France - the only one in NATO possessing nuclear weapons of its own production (with the exception of the United States, of course) ...
          1. asv363
            asv363 22 December 2018 01: 47
            0
            Great Britain - own warheads, missiles - from the USA.
      4. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 21 December 2018 20: 31
        +6
        Quote: alma
        Quote: svp67
        World has gone mad?

        Apparently yes. Tired of living quietly. fool

        The fact that the UN has long been a pocket Yankees' trickster is beyond doubt. But to hold this vote it was necessary that later de-amiable pages did not screech that Russia sent its missiles at them for no reason! negative The Yankees rule this flock of beggars and the poor, well, to hell with it with Poland ......! am
        1. cniza
          cniza 21 December 2018 20: 57
          +3
          Only lead us to a standstill
        2. Grits
          Grits 21 December 2018 21: 40
          +1
          Quote: Major Yurik
          But to hold this vote it was necessary that later de-amiable pages did not screech that Russia sent its missiles at them for no reason!

          All right. When the mass deployment of the INF Treaty begins, it is possible, with a clear conscience, to poke faces with these faces in the document adopted by the UN. And to say in plain sight - relatives, you yourself asked us to kill you. So welcome to hell.
      5. private person
        private person 22 December 2018 09: 24
        +1
        Also before the vote, Russia and Poland were accused of Russia.

        Poland and Ukraine, yes, these two mongrel could not do otherwise. They idiots do not understand that in case of which the first will fall under the distribution and their owners will die of laughter. And in other things, the World went crazy.
    2. poquello
      poquello 21 December 2018 20: 02
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      UN General Assembly rejects Russia's resolution on the INF Treaty
      World has gone mad?

      and this is just a "tit in the hands" in the form of all sorts of buns from the main ally, Poland when it burns out there nafig if anything
      1. cniza
        cniza 21 December 2018 20: 57
        +1
        Everyone lives according to the principle - after us at least a flood?
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    4. ancestors from Don
      ancestors from Don 21 December 2018 20: 04
      +6
      A bad world is always better ... ..., the logic of the countries that voted against and abstained is absolutely not clear, the clock hands counting the time until the third world still advanced ((((.
      1. XXXIII
        XXXIII 21 December 2018 20: 16
        +2
        Quote: ancestors from the Don
        the logic of the countries that voted against and abstained is absolutely not clear

        So they think that everything is against Russia, they just forget that Russia is a nuclear power, but autonomous countries are a great goal for a new democracy, everything is thought out. Russia again reminded the weak in the literal and figurative sense that their first will be spent, not everyone understood, well, okay .... smile
        1. cniza
          cniza 21 December 2018 20: 58
          +1
          Here the movie calms them, but they don’t want to notice reality.
    5. sak1969
      sak1969 21 December 2018 20: 09
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      World has gone mad?

      Yes, he did not lose his mind. They just want to take it in fright. They think that no one will use the thing.
      But you can threaten with a bold vigorous.
      Doctrine must be changed. To declare that when deploying short- and medium-range missiles in Europe, we are entitled to deliver a preventive strike. And whether or not we put it is another question, the main thing is to announce.
      Maybe they have at least people then will blow out with protests!
      1. cniza
        cniza 21 December 2018 20: 59
        +3
        It seems that without hitting the head, no one is going to go anywhere.
    6. Govorun
      Govorun 21 December 2018 20: 10
      +10
      46 countries are crazy, for sure, 78 countries are doubting their health, and 45 countries are healthy ...
      1. cniza
        cniza 21 December 2018 21: 00
        +1
        This is the picture that the United States is paying, what will happen in reality? ...
    7. XXXIII
      XXXIII 21 December 2018 20: 11
      -2
      And when the INF Treaty worked, it was only the Russians who thought that this agreement was working, although the Russians also thought so little .... smile
      1. cniza
        cniza 21 December 2018 21: 01
        +4
        No, it was Gorbachev who took it and disarmed it, despite the fact that they should have been evenly, but as a drummer he was ahead of everyone.
        1. IL-18
          IL-18 21 December 2018 21: 44
          0
          Quote: cniza
          No, it was Gorbachev who took it and disarmed it, despite the fact that they should have been evenly, but as a drummer he was ahead of everyone.

          It is a pity that he did not grow from an assistant to a combiner.
    8. Russia
      Russia 21 December 2018 20: 14
      +2
      Someone doesn’t understand something, hehanki, but hahanki. For them and the world, death is red.
      1. Grits
        Grits 21 December 2018 21: 54
        0
        Quote: Rusland
        Someone doesn’t understand something, hehanki, but hahanki. For them and the world, death is red.

        In principle, for us Russians, this decision is no longer so critical. We already lived under the domoclesque sword to be destroyed at any moment in nuclear fire from US strategic missiles. As well as the USA itself. You won’t be saved from their blow. It was our cross and we carry it. The position of those countries that were relatively safe (controversial) and now voluntarily put their heads in the loop is surprising. Well, or in extreme cases, they hung a sword over the same domoklav and were ready to live in constant fear. Let now they feel this fear on themselves, as only we and the USA have felt it on ourselves since the beginning of the 50s.
    9. prior
      prior 21 December 2018 20: 22
      +3
      A world that does not want peace will receive a nuclear apocalypse.
      1. XXXIII
        XXXIII 21 December 2018 20: 30
        +2
        Quote: prior
        A world that does not want peace will receive a nuclear apocalypse.

        If it should be so, if not, then no, but stupidity is always ahead of nature’s calculations. For nature, this will not be fatal; it will restore life on earth, as it has done many times .... smile
        1. Strelets1
          Strelets1 21 December 2018 23: 29
          0
          Quote: XXXIII
          Quote: prior
          A world that does not want peace will receive a nuclear apocalypse.

          If it should be so, if not, then no, but stupidity is always ahead of nature’s calculations. For nature, this will not be fatal; it will restore life on earth, as it has done many times .... smile

          Nobody ever bothered to figure out what would happen in the planetary geology of the Earth in the event of a massive use of nuclear weapons on a global scale ...
          The assessments ended with predicting a "nuclear winter" - and what will happen to the earth's crust, the chemical composition of the atmosphere, the ozone layer in particular, the magnetic field, how the Earth's orbit can change, and whether it will go somewhere in the Kuiper belt or simply repeat the fate of Phaeton and will turn into another asteroid belt ...
          1. XXXIII
            XXXIII 22 December 2018 01: 43
            0
            Quote: Strelets1
            and what will happen to the Earth’s crust, the chemical composition of the atmosphere, the ozone layer in particular, the magnetic field, how the Earth’s orbit can change, and whether it goes somewhere into the Kuiper belt or just repeats the fate of the Phaeton and turns into another asteroid belt ...

            Yes, if the earth loses a magnetic field it will be the worst option for the planet earth, in this case it will burn in the sun, since the magnetic field of the sun is strong .....
    10. tanit
      tanit 21 December 2018 20: 24
      +1
      Alas. With "peace" everything is fine. Whoever dictates to the "world" is right. Although, the full alignment of the voters - what is it?
    11. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 21 December 2018 22: 08
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      World has gone mad?

      Not the world, but the USA. The world (mainly Western and English-speaking) has long ceased to shine with the mind, from which all the troubles on the planet happen smile yes
    12. sedoj
      sedoj 21 December 2018 22: 31
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      World has gone mad?

      The world, in principle, everything is purple. Most of the leaders of the countries are puppets (known, with whose help). And they vote as they were ordered. So there is nothing to be surprised.
    13. sabakina
      sabakina 21 December 2018 22: 58
      0
      Quote: svp67
      UN General Assembly rejects Russia's resolution on the INF Treaty
      World has gone mad?

      No worse! The Antichrist has come!
      And only one who does not accept his faith will be saved!
      They are trying to digitize us .... My date of birth is 08.10.67. I will pray in the temple. and then dying is not scary! Amen!
    14. SSR
      SSR 21 December 2018 23: 15
      0
      Quote: svp67
      UN General Assembly rejects Russia's resolution on the INF Treaty
      World has gone mad?

      Imha.
      The UN General Assembly today voted against the draft resolution on the maintenance and enforcement of the Treaty on the Elimination

      Well, as Nashional writes, let the world go to ruin, what for?
    15. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 December 2018 12: 15
      0
      The situation is the same as the 1938 year.
  2. Valter1364
    Valter1364 21 December 2018 20: 02
    +4
    Everything goes to the destruction of our civilization. And who was right there and who is to blame is not important, because there will be no one to analyze.
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 21 December 2018 20: 19
      +5
      Quote: Valter1364
      Everything goes to the destruction of our civilization. And who was right there and who is to blame is not important, because there will be no one to analyze.
      If the truth is there will be a nuclear exchange (they want to strongly doubt it), then do not care for sure there will already be who, when, the nuclear dust will judge everyone ..... smile
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  3. O. Bender
    O. Bender 21 December 2018 20: 02
    +4
    Quote: svp67
    UN General Assembly rejects Russia's resolution on the INF Treaty
    World has gone mad?

    Over the past five years, they finally want to wage war, and add some sort of Russia. The level of anti-Russian hysteria will start almost unbelievably from Svidomo like they are being tempted against us. am
  4. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 21 December 2018 20: 03
    +3
    I wanted to talk with my grandson for life. We must be in time.
  5. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 21 December 2018 20: 07
    +4
    Well, NO and no trial. What could - done.
    1. IL-18
      IL-18 21 December 2018 21: 46
      0
      What! Snow retention can not be done.
  6. Machete
    Machete 21 December 2018 20: 13
    +10
    Hmm. Over.
    If Russia proposes to ban eating children for breakfast, they will also fail the resolution.
    After all, this is what Russia has proposed.
  7. 452336
    452336 21 December 2018 20: 22
    +1
    The United States believes that Russia is violating the treaty by developing a ground-based analogue of the Caliber capable of flying up to 5000 km. It is also believed that the real performance characteristics of Iskander, to put it mildly, are slightly different from the declared
  8. rayruav
    rayruav 21 December 2018 20: 24
    0
    and that to us this UN situation will certainly be better than in 1950, we are people accustomed to the quacks of world shit democracy
  9. stalki
    stalki 21 December 2018 20: 30
    +1
    The appetite and delusions of grandeur of the FSH brought the patient to an irrepressible state, everything goes to a big fit. It is necessary to prepare a measuring shirt and a strong sleeping pill. And then isolate.
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  11. Zaval
    Zaval 21 December 2018 20: 39
    +4
    World has gone mad?

    I am more inclined to think that there is an attempt to recreate the situation that took place in relation to the USSR from 1979 until the collapse. It is for this purpose that there is an attempt at political, economic and cultural isolation of Russia, withdrawal from all agreements, the resumption of the arms race in order to deprive Russia of the opportunity to earn and make it spend, including reserves, including the money of citizens, forcing the state to take them away, the creation of the "iron curtain", etc. Create a situation of dissatisfaction among Russians with the government, its foreign and domestic policies. Then it will only be necessary to wait for the coming to power, 2024 or earlier, or later, of the new Gorbachev, who will begin a new "perestroika" and "rapprochement with the West." It is with him, in exchange for the recognition of the US's world supremacy, that negotiations on all issues will begin or not, demanding complete surrender in the form of disintegration into "county principalities" on the model of the "former republics of the USSR."
    The United States and its "allies" adhere to the concept of "historical recurrence" and for this reason, as well as out of self-esteem about their chosenness, I do not consider it necessary either to invent something new, or to properly analyze historical and current events.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 21 December 2018 22: 48
      0
      Quote: ZAVal
      I am more inclined to think that there is an attempt to recreate the situation that took place in relation to the USSR from 1979 until the moment of collapse
      .
      "The seagulls are screaming, the transistor is roaring, the beer is pouring like a river from the cans" - Barykin and Kuzmin have disputed this phrase since 1980. The Pentagon has no place. "Here you can play, eat, fast and even dance. Far from Dads, Moms and Teachers."
    2. Strelets1
      Strelets1 21 December 2018 23: 37
      +1
      Quote: ZAVal
      I am more inclined to think that there is an attempt to recreate the situation that took place in relation to the USSR from 1979 until the moment of collapse.

      Quote: ZAVal
      Create a situation of dissatisfaction of Russians with the government with its foreign and domestic policies. Then all that remains is to wait for the coming to power, 2024 or earlier, or later, of the new Gorbachev, who will begin a new "perestroika" and "rapprochement with the West."


      It is very similar ... and the saddest thing is that there seem to be certain signs that this scenario will be realized ... Uncertainty with who will intercede after the GDP, leaving the "old-new" government in power, obviously unpopular among the people socio-economic policy in recent years ... etc.
  12. Evil echo
    Evil echo 21 December 2018 20: 42
    0
    Can someone tell me? If all the vigorous bongs and rockets at the place of basing are enough to push everyone to the extreme?
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 21 December 2018 20: 45
      0
      Quote: Evil Echo
      Can someone tell me? If all the vigorous bongs and rockets at the place of basing are enough to push everyone to the extreme?

      No. Nearby radiation countries will get it.
    2. Shura Wii
      Shura Wii 21 December 2018 20: 59
      +2
      This can easily be calculated by knowing approximately how many nuclear charges exist. With the explosion of the entire nuclear potential, civilization no longer has a chance, but the Earth, as a planet. If a decent asteroid, the size of Moscow, can put an end to the Earth, then what can happen in an explosion that exceeds the impact power of an asteroid the size of Australia.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 21 December 2018 21: 46
        0
        To do this, there must be a simultaneous strike + - at one point with everything that is)). Then the effect is unpredictable.
        1. Strelets1
          Strelets1 21 December 2018 23: 45
          +1
          Quote: Krasnodar
          To do this, there must be a simultaneous strike + - at one point with everything that is)). Then the effect is unpredictable.


          The mere loss of the ozone layer will kill all life on Earth ... well, bacteria may mutate, but the Sapiens is surely the end ...
          And the possible loss of a magnetic field, a change in the inclination and parameters of the Earth’s orbit ...?
          The lack of solar energy will turn the Earth at least into Mars - if not into the next moon of Jupiter, or even into the asteroid belt (due to a collision with the Moon, for example, or Venus ...) ...
          1. Dmitry Zarutsky
            Dmitry Zarutsky 22 December 2018 00: 13
            +2
            Quote: Strelets1
            The mere loss of the ozone layer will kill all life on Earth ... well, bacteria may mutate, but the Sapiens is surely the end ...
            And the possible loss of a magnetic field, a change in the inclination and parameters of the Earth’s orbit ...?
            The lack of solar energy will turn the Earth at least into Mars - if not into the next moon of Jupiter, or even into the asteroid belt (due to a collision with the Moon, for example, or Venus ...) ...

            Tales of a nuclear war for the electorate, and these are well aware of the consequences and really want to live, because live sweetly) Here are local conflicts, they will and will be more, they really want a civil war in Russia, and it will, unfortunately ...
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    4. Grits
      Grits 21 December 2018 22: 02
      0
      Quote: Evil Echo
      Can someone tell me? If all the vigorous bongs and rockets at the place of basing are enough to push everyone to the extreme?

      I think if it’s on the base, it’s not so scary. Cities, life support system, management, logistics will not be affected. Critical defense damage will not be dealt. And nature will cope with time. Chernobyl proves.
    5. Tusv
      Tusv 21 December 2018 23: 15
      0
      Quote: Evil Echo
      Can someone tell me? If all the vigorous bongs and rockets at the place of basing are enough to push everyone to the extreme?

      Well, first of all, in the second, infantry in the ass crams its charges
    6. poquello
      poquello 22 December 2018 02: 25
      -1
      Quote: Evil Echo
      Can someone tell me? If all the vigorous bongs and rockets at the place of basing are enough to push everyone to the extreme?

      are you suicide
  13. Shura Wii
    Shura Wii 21 December 2018 20: 53
    +1
    Where this world is heading .... Well, then let them be ready to meet Russian missiles with open arms. Apparently, the brains of the American sixes, which were swollen with fat, are no longer able to assess the threat to their own lives. None of them appreciated Putin’s words that the future of the world without Russia is not interesting for us, and the world will not have such a future. Amen.
  14. Alexander X
    Alexander X 21 December 2018 20: 55
    +1
    Well, it’s clear that they are trying to draw Russia into an even larger arms race in order to kill economically. Once passed from the USSR, and here they are trying on a smaller state. Enemies, enemies around. And I am 90% sure that there will be no nuclear strikes. Although I pretend to be a nuclear power plant 100 km away. from my house, is it good or vice versa, bad, in case of military conflict?
    And if you think about it: is it good for us to spend money on military projects (without taking into account the defense component, it’s purely an economy). Well, there is money in the budget. If you put them on the defensive, then this is A. salary and jobs; b. heavy industry development; at. development of science. But the city also reduced funding for social programs (health, education, pension). What to choose a Russian? But on the plus side is an increase in the country's defense capability. Well, and if you do not spend on the defense industry, then they again start the Olympics or another football holiday .... IMHO ...
    1. Grits
      Grits 21 December 2018 22: 10
      0
      Quote: Alexander X
      And if you think about it: is it good for us to spend money on military projects

      On the one hand, we will have to terribly spend money on a new round of weapons. After all, one cannot leave unpunished those who really wanted it. Of course, you will have to spend money on the deployment of your INF.
      But. Profit from the impetus to the development of the economy is also available. Let's take any example. Here, for example, we decided to place the RSDM in Chukotka. What does it mean? And that means that the global construction of military infrastructure will begin there, respectively, military camps with all the infrastructure. And this is the development of ports, airfields, roads and the entire supply system. This entails the movement of the population, and then - the development of the region - the extraction of nearby mineral deposits, the construction of processing facilities, and then consumption. Cities, power plants, factories, transportation hubs, maintenance of all this appear. Well, something like this.
      1. Sanche
        Sanche 21 December 2018 22: 44
        0
        On the one hand, we will have to terribly spend money on a new round of weapons.

        On the other hand, Sev. Korea with three missiles and three submarines forced the aggressor to retreat.
        Maybe you don’t have to spend much, but you just need to revise your military doctrine, optimize what is already there
        1. Dmitry Zarutsky
          Dmitry Zarutsky 22 December 2018 00: 02
          +2
          Quote: Sanche
          On the other hand, Sev. Korea with three missiles and three submarines forced the aggressor to retreat.
          Maybe you don’t have to spend much, but you just need to revise your military doctrine, optimize what is already there

          There is still a hitch in the fact that the kids live with us there ... So all this is a farce and no more, who will shoot at their kids)
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 22 December 2018 06: 47
            +1
            Quote: Dmitry Zarutsky
            There is still a hitch in the fact that the kids live with us there ... So all this is a farce and no more, who will shoot at their kids)

            Speak to yourself. I have no children there ...
            1. Dmitry Zarutsky
              Dmitry Zarutsky 28 December 2018 09: 53
              +2
              Quote: Lara Croft
              Speak to yourself. I have no children there ...

              You are mistaken, I don’t have them at all) I had in mind the children of decision makers, as well as their wives with Western citizenship and accounts in Western banks.
        2. ruigat
          ruigat 22 December 2018 07: 13
          0
          On the other hand, Sev. Korea with three missiles and three submarines forced the aggressor to retreat.

          The fact is that the money and relatives of the leaders of the DPRK are in the DPRK, which means that they will use their miserable SBCH by the school without hesitation, and the owners of the Fed are afraid and respect the DPRK. But the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, you know the money and relatives where, therefore, even though the Russian Federation has thousands of missiles with SBN, the owners of the Fed wipe their feet on the country.
  15. APASUS
    APASUS 21 December 2018 20: 55
    +3
    45 countries voted for the draft resolution proposed by Russia, against - 46,

    Voted for the war 46 countries, all this is sad. Do you really think to hide behind a puddle?
    1. Professor
      Professor 21 December 2018 21: 22
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      45 countries voted for the draft resolution proposed by Russia, against - 46,

      Voted for the war 46 countries, all this is sad. Do you really think to hide behind a puddle?

      No, this is just another victory for Russian diplomacy. Interestingly, in the Foreign Ministry, someone will be responsible for this? A rhetorical question.
      1. Grits
        Grits 21 December 2018 22: 15
        +4
        Quote: Professor
        Interestingly, in the Foreign Ministry, someone will be responsible for this?

        Interestingly, someone in the Israeli Foreign Ministry will be responsible for the desire to die?
      2. Strelets1
        Strelets1 21 December 2018 23: 52
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        Quote: APASUS
        45 countries voted for the draft resolution proposed by Russia, against - 46,

        Voted for the war 46 countries, all this is sad. Do you really think to hide behind a puddle?

        No, this is just another victory for Russian diplomacy. Interestingly, in the Foreign Ministry, someone will be responsible for this? A rhetorical question.


        The rhetorical question - what about the Russian Foreign Ministry?
        Do you think that the position and authority of a country in the world is determined only by the work of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs?
        Then why the rest of the government and the president?
        Let the Foreign Ministry then rule everything and everything in the country, and is responsible for everything ...
        And you better read, professor, the Constitution of the Russian Federation, and laws on the government of the Russian Federation, the president of the country ...
        Everything is spelled out there - who is responsible for what and who implements what in practice ...
      3. poquello
        poquello 22 December 2018 02: 31
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        Quote: APASUS
        45 countries voted for the draft resolution proposed by Russia, against - 46,

        Voted for the war 46 countries, all this is sad. Do you really think to hide behind a puddle?

        No, this is just another victory for Russian diplomacy. Interestingly, in the Foreign Ministry, someone will be responsible for this? A rhetorical question.

        it’s necessary to look at the UN philosophically in general, because there, according to the number of countries and not by population or territory, there is a tribal extinction - neither territory nor population, but croaks like a choir of southern frogs
      4. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 22 December 2018 06: 45
        0
        Quote: Professor
        No, this is just another victory for Russian diplomacy. Interestingly, in the Foreign Ministry, someone will be responsible for this? A rhetorical question.

        The victory of Israeli diplomacy will probably be when Russian land-based short-range BR / KR appear in the SAR ....
        Then the Israeli Jews will remember this vote, the "victory of the TS" of independent "Israeli diplomacy" ....
      5. APASUS
        APASUS 22 December 2018 09: 10
        +2
        Quote: Professor
        Quote: APASUS
        45 countries voted for the draft resolution proposed by Russia, against - 46,

        Voted for the war 46 countries, all this is sad. Do you really think to hide behind a puddle?

        No, this is just another victory for Russian diplomacy. Interestingly, in the Foreign Ministry, someone will be responsible for this? A rhetorical question.

        This is not a rhetorical question at all. How is this consistent with the American assertion that Russia wants to attack everyone, enslave everyone and the elementary concern about the destruction by the Americans of the INF Treaty.
        This, of course, is not a victory of our Foreign Ministry, but on the other hand, supporters of democracy and rights suddenly spoke out for the war, revealed their intentions.
        1. Professor
          Professor 22 December 2018 09: 33
          -2
          Quote: APASUS
          Quote: Professor
          Quote: APASUS
          45 countries voted for the draft resolution proposed by Russia, against - 46,

          Voted for the war 46 countries, all this is sad. Do you really think to hide behind a puddle?

          No, this is just another victory for Russian diplomacy. Interestingly, in the Foreign Ministry, someone will be responsible for this? A rhetorical question.

          This is not a rhetorical question at all. How is this consistent with the American assertion that Russia wants to attack everyone, enslave everyone and the elementary concern about the destruction by the Americans of the INF Treaty.
          This, of course, is not a victory of our Foreign Ministry, but on the other hand, supporters of democracy and rights suddenly spoke out for the war, revealed their intentions.

          No, they just voted VS Of Russia. Get used to it now will happen often. You have to pay for everything. And for that too:
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 22 December 2018 11: 29
            +2
            Quote: Professor
            No, they just voted AGAINST Russia. Get used to it now will happen often. You have to pay for everything. And for that too:

            That's it, they voted AGAINST RUSSIA, this is the only excuse.
            And we don’t get used to paying Russians, we never lived richly. This well-fed Europe will pay with the fear of its citizens when the Americans tell them that for their benefit they will place rockets under the nose of the Russians.
            When the world comes to the brink of war, for the sake of American ambitions. Although the Americans are not in the first, to resolve the situation with their own hands with fanfare!
      6. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 23 December 2018 03: 03
        0
        in the Foreign Ministry, someone will answer for this?

        For the "opinion" of the countries occupied by America? I think the change of "elites" is not a job for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but for the Federal Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation, although these "countries" are probably just not worth it.
  16. Hypersound
    Hypersound 21 December 2018 21: 01
    -4
    Hit the "Voevoda" on this UN. At the same time, we will not attack the United States, since the goal is the UN building
    1. Antares
      Antares 21 December 2018 23: 31
      -1
      Quote: Hypersound
      Hit the "Voevoda" on this UN. At the same time, we will not attack the United States, since the goal is the UN building

      almost choked ... UN building in New York?

      United nations headquarters
      Remember how many live on the island and mainland NY ...
      and the amazing ability of the Governor ...
      almost no one will suffer ... wassat
      1. Hypersound
        Hypersound 22 December 2018 00: 01
        -1
        Only 10 separately induced heads of 0.8 megatons each. Well, either a monoblock head at 25mt. It’s not enough to evaporate the whole city, at most half. And the rest is just ashes (
  17. Evil echo
    Evil echo 21 December 2018 21: 03
    0
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Quote: Evil Echo
    Can someone tell me? If all the vigorous bongs and rockets at the place of basing are enough to push everyone to the extreme?

    No. Nearby radiation countries will get it.

    Well then, the doctrine is precisely changed. It would be enough for the spirit to at least hint at this.
  18. Hypersound
    Hypersound 21 December 2018 21: 05
    +1
    Russia supported by Austria, Belarus and China

    China and Belarus are understandable. But Austria (!), A member of the EU, is practically a beacon of the Western world and democratic values ​​(albeit a small one) - this trend pleases
  19. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 21 December 2018 21: 21
    +1
    The FSU with its puppets should be counted as one vote, then there will be at least some sort of order.
  20. irazum
    irazum 21 December 2018 21: 24
    +3
    Some nonsense. An agreement between two states - Russia and the USA, and the rest? They can calmly produce and, God forbid, apply. (PRC, DPRK, India, Pakistan), these are countries that already officially have the status of nuclear powers. Now, when they will sign (including on the basis of the sea), then it will be possible to speculate on this topic.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 22 December 2018 06: 39
      0
      Quote: irazum
      Now, when they will sign (including on the basis of the sea), then it will be possible to speculate on this topic.

      Do they need it? They are not going to "master" the European theater of operations .... Moreover, because of the signing of the said Treaty, these countries would have lost 2/3 of their nuclear arsenal ....
  21. kotik77713
    kotik77713 21 December 2018 21: 25
    +2
    It is a pity the contract, and to hell with it to be honest. It is necessary to resolve issues with the economy; the Central Bank should be in the legal field, and not independent in the Constitution. Thoughts are kicking everything at Uncle Vova; however, the president does not have much authority. The State Duma adopts anti-people’s laws more often than for the life of ordinary people ... There is no justice simply and will not be yet! Medvedev prime minister, nano - Chubais rule, People are silent and everything is fine with them ...
    1. irazum
      irazum 21 December 2018 21: 44
      -3
      In the States, the attorney general can and has the right to call the president to testify. Can you imagine that our PRESIDENT would be called by the Attorney General? Here I am about the same ...
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 21 December 2018 23: 46
        +2
        And you can imagine that in the United States, a presidential candidate before the election travels around all the oligarchs and takes money from them for his own presidential company. Moreover, the amount in HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS DOLLARS !!!

        2008 Obama raised a record $ 605 million for his election campaign - https://ria.ru/20081020/153500531.html

        2012 Barack Obama was the first in the history of the US presidential election to raise more than $ 1 billion for the election campaign - https://tass.ru/politika/644074
        1. irazum
          irazum 22 December 2018 01: 52
          0
          Do you think that it is different with us?
        2. irazum
          irazum 22 December 2018 01: 58
          -1
          Tell Hodor and the rest about this, and there will be laughter!
      2. Strelets1
        Strelets1 22 December 2018 00: 00
        -1
        Quote: irazum
        In the States, the attorney general can and has the right to call the president to testify. Can you imagine that our PRESIDENT would be called by the Attorney General? Here I am about the same ...


        In the United States, if a police officer only imagines that a toy gun (as a gift to his son) in your hands is a weapon, he will simply shoot you - not particularly bothering with the prospect of serving a prison term (as for example, in a similar case, they would do with a Russian police officer) ...
        You really want to visit such a situation, in such a country ...? Here I am about the same ...
      3. poquello
        poquello 22 December 2018 02: 35
        0
        Quote: irazum
        In the States, the attorney general can and has the right to call the president to testify. Can you imagine that our PRESIDENT would be called by the Attorney General? Here I am about the same ...

        and what a blizzard they’re carrying, calling the president, I just didn’t imagine that such nonsense could be carried from high tribunes
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 21 December 2018 23: 59
      +2
      Aren't you fed up with clueless nonsense ?!

      You do not mind the independence of judges, investigators, experts in your professional activities ?! Maybe they also need to subordinate to someone ?!

      The Central Bank in Russia is also independent only in its professional activities - this is the main monetary regulator in the country !!! And the Central Bank conducts its activities independently and it is CORRECT !!!

      The head of the Central Bank is appointed by the State Duma;

      The National Financial Council is a collegial body of the Bank of Russia. The National Financial Council consists of twelve people, two of whom are sent by the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation from among the members of the Federation Council, three by the State Duma from among the deputies of the State Duma, three by the President of the Russian Federation, three by the Government of the Russian Federation. In addition, the Chairman of the Bank of Russia is a member of the National Financial Council.

      75% of the Central Bank’s profit goes to the federal budget of the Russian Federation - https://fzrf.su/zakon/o-centralnom-banke-86-fz/st-26.php

      Before you give an assessment to any event or government agency - LETE LEARN A LITTLE STUDY OF THE QUESTION ISSUE, and do not duplicate someone's stupid or intentional stuffing from social networks.
      1. irazum
        irazum 22 December 2018 01: 55
        -2
        Who do you want to make laugh? If I did not succeed, I have lived in this "circus" for a long time.
      2. poquello
        poquello 22 December 2018 02: 39
        +2
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        You do not mind the independence of judges, investigators, experts in your professional activities ?!

        It bothers me, the judges are so independent that they are completely independent of the law, such independence will not bring to good
  22. watchmaker
    watchmaker 21 December 2018 21: 57
    +2
    How can you talk to these people at all? They themselves call for a conversation, to preserve this treaty, put ultimatums, and when Russia says the same thing, also calls for it, they vote against .... There are many wonderful words in Russian to describe this situation, it’s a pity that it will be considered rudeness .... Just different expressions, stupidly not suitable in such situations.
  23. 7 poplar
    7 poplar 21 December 2018 22: 01
    0
    Well, the rams. fool
  24. watchmaker
    watchmaker 21 December 2018 22: 02
    +2
    Quote: irazum
    In the States, the attorney general can and has the right to call the president to testify. Can you imagine that our PRESIDENT would be called by the Attorney General? Here I am about the same ...

    And in the United States, even one president can afford to gather nearly 2000 journalists and answer their questions for three hours? I think it can, but before that all issues will be agreed upon, and Russian journalists will simply not be allowed in, since any issue on their part will put him in a puddle.
    1. irazum
      irazum 22 December 2018 02: 13
      -2
      Apparently, the US President values ​​his working time and does not think that it (time) should be spent on inventing answers to idiotic questions. I am sincerely sorry for our journalism, which has already fallen into disrepair. The question of the president's marriage, which is vitally important for the entire country, would indeed "put him in a puddle."
  25. Berkut24
    Berkut24 21 December 2018 23: 06
    0
    As they say, do not say that we did not warn you. You yourself wanted this!
    Just because the United States can no longer rule in the old way does not mean that they can rule in a new way.
  26. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 21 December 2018 23: 40
    0
    against - 46


    Well, two are the USA and Ukraine, and who are the rest? What are they hoping for?
    1. asv363
      asv363 22 December 2018 02: 09
      0
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Well, two are the USA and Ukraine, and who are the rest?

      "In particular, the United States, EU countries, Japan, Turkey, Israel and Ukraine voted against the document. China, Iran, Syria and a number of Latin American countries supported the resolution."
      https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3841141
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 22 December 2018 06: 21
        +2
        Quote: asv363
        "In particular, the United States voted against the document, EU countries, Japan, Turkey, Israel and Ukraine.

        Those. land-based BR / KR (short and medium range) land-based deployed do not mind seeing:
        1) the EU in the Kaliningrad region, in Belarus and the Crimea;
        2) Japan in the Primorsky Territory and on about. Sakhalin;
        3) Israel in the SAR.
        Persistent countries from such nails would do ...
    2. poquello
      poquello 22 December 2018 02: 42
      0
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      against - 46


      Well, two are the USA and Ukraine, and who are the rest? What are they hoping for?

      Well, they saw how they put in cards for absent parliaments, but the same thing is done only by hand
  27. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 22 December 2018 06: 13
    0
    45 countries voted for the draft resolution proposed by Russia, 46 voted against, and 78 countries abstained from voting.

    Russia can now boldly "wash its hands" ....
  28. Legend
    Legend 22 December 2018 06: 55
    +1
    In vain you gentlemen went to this oh in vain ... Have you forgotten Cuba already?
  29. TOR2
    TOR2 22 December 2018 15: 39
    0
    Quote: Professor
    No, this is just another victory for Russian diplomacy. Interestingly, in the Foreign Ministry, someone will be responsible for this? A rhetorical question.
    It depends on how you look. Now, for the failure of the contract, liability is fully in 46 countries. Why not win.
    Quote: Professor
    No, they just voted AGAINST Russia. Get used to it now will happen often. You have to pay for everything. And for that too:
    You might think that when it was different.
  30. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 22 December 2018 18: 57
    0
    Everyone is dancing to the tune of the puppeteer. We must be prepared for the production of Rubezh, Barguzin and the completion of Iskander missiles at a range of up to 2 thousand km. And the Kyrgyz Republic to develop for him with a range of 5 thousand km, so that the Americans get their portion of good and light.
  31. Vadim237
    Vadim237 22 December 2018 19: 16
    0
    And well, now, NATO’s military bases across Europe will be sent cruise missiles and infantry-launched infantry fighting vehicles with multiple warheads, and all warheads, of which 1700 that are located on ICBMs, will be redirected to the United States.
  32. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 22 December 2018 21: 28
    +1
    I didn’t read everything from the chat, but I’ll tell you my opinion, there will be no war, and there are enough woodpeckers everywhere
  33. wild
    wild 23 December 2018 00: 01
    0
    Hmm, I'm somehow in shock.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 December 2018 13: 45
      0
      Why is this in shock?
  34. akribos
    akribos 23 December 2018 22: 51
    0
    Interesting comments in this article.
    Common sense is clearly losing stupidity.