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Germany prepares response to Russian Iskanders

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Berlin conducts behind-the-scenes negotiations with Washington to gain access to secret technologies, allowing them to create a new generation of missile defense system to counter Russian missiles, writes Defense News with reference to the report of the German military department.




It is reported that Germany is trying to implement its TLVS (Medium-Range Tactical Air Defense System) program, based on Lockheed Martin’s Medium-Range Air Defense Systems (MEADS).

According to the resource, the talks are about Germany’s gaining a “sixth level” of access to American technology. Such access allows the use of the so-called simulator of the MSE PAC-3 interceptor missile.

If you have a simulator, you know exactly what MSE can do, and what it cannot do,
said the source of the publication.

The resource explains that the algorithm can show with high precision how the anti-missile will operate in the conditions of an enemy attack with the given parameters, in other words, whether it can repel this attack or not.

With the help of MSE PAC-3, Germany expects to upgrade its TLVS system, including its radar, in the hope of “teaching” it to intercept the latest Russian missiles for the Iskander complex. A peculiar answer to the Russian "Iskander".

However, so far between Germany and the United States there is no understanding on this issue. The possibility of transferring at least some of the necessary data to the German engineers was discussed at the last meeting of the ministers of defense of the two countries.

During the talks, the head of the German Defense Ministry, Ursula Fon der Lyayen, stated that the TLVS is a program that proves Germany’s readiness to make a great contribution to European security, which Washington is demanding. However, this argument was not convinced by the head of the Pentagon.
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  1. irazum
    irazum 21 December 2018 10: 41
    +7
    And where should they go? The states "set up" Europe with the INF Treaty, now it's every man for himself.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 21 December 2018 10: 46
      +4
      Hordes of Ukrainian migrants will be more terrible than our "Iskander". But this is still ahead of the Germans. Even America will not help them here. winked
      1. Machito
        Machito 21 December 2018 10: 56
        +4
        Quote: siberalt
        Hordes of Ukrainian migrants will be more terrible than our "Iskander". But this is still ahead of the Germans. Even America will not help them here. winked

        Will help. Still how to help. Look at the french vests. If necessary, the United States will distribute Germany with migrants.
        1. sak1969
          sak1969 21 December 2018 12: 00
          +3
          Quote: Bearded
          Look at the french vests. If necessary, the United States will distribute Germany with migrants.

          Loafers Arabs are needed only to plant a neo-fascist movement.
          The liberals must be replaced by the Nazis. (Not Nazis but fascists.)
          And in France there were already unrest, it was easy to revel in this.
      2. MoJloT
        MoJloT 21 December 2018 11: 23
        +3
        Hordes of Ukrainian migrants will be more terrible than our "Iskander"
        Germany is full of immigrants from Ukraine, and to the surprise of the Germans, Ukrainians were more adequate and useful than hordes of Arabs. So Ukrainians in Germany are not particularly complaining.
        1. Machito
          Machito 21 December 2018 12: 17
          0
          Quote: MoJloT
          Hordes of Ukrainian migrants will be more terrible than our "Iskander"
          Germany is full of immigrants from Ukraine, and to the surprise of the Germans, Ukrainians were more adequate and useful than hordes of Arabs. So Ukrainians in Germany are not particularly complaining.

          They’re not complaining yet. So it will be more correct. If the Nazi regime in Ukraine collapses and the ukrofashiki rush to Germany, the situation will immediately change, as will the attitude towards the Ukrainians. Ukrofashists will arrange such banditry in Germany that Islamic radicals seem to be a bunch of tolerant pacifists.
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 21 December 2018 13: 53
            +2
            Quote: Bearded
            If the Nazi regime in Ukraine collapses and the ukrofashiki rush to Germany, the situation will immediately change, as will the attitude towards the Ukrainians.

            That is what happened in Poland. Banderlog, with their idiotic tricks spoiled the attitude of the Poles towards the Ukrainians. Now they are being beaten there, and now, not only banderfashiks, but also those who went there to earn money often fall under the distribution.
          2. sak1969
            sak1969 21 December 2018 15: 29
            +2
            Quote: Bearded
            If the Nazi regime in Ukraine collapses and the ukrofashiki rush to Germany, the situation will immediately change, as will the attitude towards the Ukrainians. Ukrofashists will arrange such banditry in Germany that Islamic radicals seem to be a bunch of tolerant pacifists.

            Well, I think the criminal situation will not increase much. It’s they who have their own ukrofashists. (Although actually the Nazis!)
            And in Germany they will have to work!
      3. sak1969
        sak1969 21 December 2018 11: 32
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        Hordes of Ukrainian migrants will be more terrible than our "Iskander". But this is still ahead of the Germans. Even America will not help them here. winked

        Hordes of Ukrainian migrants will boost the German economy in one Baltic.
        These are not Arabs who do not want to work. The Poles are somehow satisfied with the zarobitchanami.
        Ukrainians go to Europe to work and not maidan at home have enough for them!
        And right now Germany does not shake it is not the French.
    2. Russia
      Russia 21 December 2018 10: 47
      +4
      They would also have to experience it, so who will give it, or else they will each other programs to drag in and breed their governments.
      1. vadson
        vadson 21 December 2018 11: 35
        0
        Americans will not give them technology - consider that they have grown a competitor for themselves. why do they need it?
    3. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 21 December 2018 10: 51
      +12
      Quote: irazum
      And where should they go?

      In order to defend against an imaginary Russian threat, a missile defense is not needed - it’s enough just to have a normal attitude towards Russia. I'm not talking about friendship, just a normal attitude as an equal business partner. hi
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 21 December 2018 10: 56
        +2
        hi Greetings, Pasha!

        Quote: bouncyhunter
        Quote: irazum
        And where should they go?

        In order to defend against an imaginary Russian threat, a missile defense is not needed - it’s enough just to have a normal attitude towards Russia. I'm not talking about friendship, just a normal attitude as an equal business partner. hi


        Ursula is not so interested, no one will notice her "struggle" and will not promote her in politics.

        Throwing orders to the German military-industrial complex is another matter





        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 21 December 2018 11: 03
          +4
          Vasya, salute! hi
          Quote: bulvas
          Ursula is not so interested, no one will notice her "struggle" and will not promote her in politics.
          Throwing orders to the German military-industrial complex is another matter

          It is not Ursula or Grandma Murkel who decides everything, but the meager owner. yes
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 21 December 2018 10: 57
        +2
        That's right, just to live as good neighbors, working together to improve the lives of their peoples.
    4. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 21 December 2018 11: 19
      +1
      The possibility of transferring at least some of the necessary data to German engineers was discussed at the last meeting of the defense ministers of the two countries.

      That's it, gentlemen Germans! According to the results of World War II, you have basically raked out all your technologies, ideas and engineers! And now, if you want what, buy from them - there will simply be no transfers! The Americans have no friends, but only slaves and servants who owe them!
      Hack it on your "Aryan" noses!
      1. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 21 December 2018 12: 32
        -4
        Quote: Starover_Z
        According to the results of World War II, you have basically raked out all your technologies, ideas and engineers!

        Give examples of table "raking", if you are talking about Von Braun and his team, then he himself. The Americans did not forcibly take out anyone, unlike ...
    5. NEXUS
      NEXUS 21 December 2018 19: 14
      +1
      Quote: irazum
      And where should they go?

      The question needs to be posed in the wrong way ... Does Germany have specialists, resources and a technical base to create the missile defense system itself?
      1. irazum
        irazum 21 December 2018 19: 20
        +1
        Has, and "experts" and resources and technology. And, if, God forbid, a "political" decision on the creation of nuclear weapons is made in Germany, it (nuclear weapons) will be created there within a couple of months.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 21 December 2018 19: 21
          0
          Quote: irazum
          Has, and "experts" and resources and technology. And, if, God forbid, a "political" decision on the creation of nuclear weapons is made in Germany, it (nuclear weapons) will be created there within a couple of months.

          Well, I doubt it very much. There is one more thing - mattresses do not need this.
          1. irazum
            irazum 21 December 2018 19: 39
            0
            And this is not our mind anymore, let them figure it out among themselves.
          2. irazum
            irazum 21 December 2018 19: 42
            0
            Do not hesitate, in the case of Germany, it is better to put "doubts" aside.
  2. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 21 December 2018 10: 42
    +4
    Well, in the first place, it’s profitable for amers to sell their own and not feed the docked Germany (in principle, this argument is enough) ... but if in essence ... the simulator certainly solves BUT problems with restrictions (any mathematics always has limitations on the problem being solved) ... and here’s the real weapon, it’s always more difficult ... in a large-scale conflict ... EW will work ... and navigation systems will most likely immediately fail ... and the strike will be combined and this is not only Iskander)))
    1. IGU
      IGU 21 December 2018 10: 53
      +1
      Well, firstly, it’s profitable for amers to sell their own and not feed the cropped Germany (in principle, this argument is enough)
      It's enough. That says it all.
  3. Svarog
    Svarog 21 December 2018 10: 42
    +4
    During the talks, the head of the German Defense Ministry, Ursula Fon der Lyayen, stated that the TLVS is a program that proves Germany’s readiness to make a great contribution to European security, which Washington is demanding. However, this argument was not convinced by the head of the Pentagon.

    Of course, he was not convinced that the Pentagon has no plan for European security .. The Pentagon is thinking about US security, and Europe should again clash with Russia ..
  4. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 21 December 2018 10: 51
    -1
    Let them buy from us. laughing S-400. To earn currency for us. And we twist there
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 21 December 2018 10: 52
      0
      Quote: Tank jacket
      Let them buy from us. laughing S-400. To earn currency.

      C400 or Iskander? laughing
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 21 December 2018 10: 53
        +1
        Iskander wink
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        2. swnvaleria
          swnvaleria 21 December 2018 11: 01
          -1
          in cube, you can borrow a few Iskander from old memory so that the "partners" do not relax
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 December 2018 10: 53
    +4
    Berlin holds backstage talks with Washington to gain access to secret technology
    Why should Americans transfer technology when it is possible to impose to buy ready-made. The Germans at times because of their servility become too stupid and cease to understand that the Americans simply use them and the rest of Europe for their selfish and mercantile purposes.
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 21 December 2018 12: 30
      -3
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Why should Americans transfer technology when it is possible to impose to buy ready-made.

      But should they transmit? You do not know how, buy such rules.
  6. Grits
    Grits 21 December 2018 11: 11
    0
    Why are they so nervous? After all, Iskander still does not reach them. Till...
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 21 December 2018 12: 28
      -3
      Quote: Gritsa
      Why are they so nervous? After all, Iskander still does not reach them. Till...

      They are not nervous, but simply update their air defense systems.
    2. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 21 December 2018 22: 18
      +1
      Quote: Gritsa
      After all, Iskander still does not reach them.

      Hmm, from Mamonovo to Berlin, exactly 485 km. yes
  7. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 21 December 2018 11: 25
    +2
    Russia said that now the European countries in which the US missile systems will be deployed will automatically take aim. It is only logical that Germany was bustling, there is no missile defense system of its own .... but the trick is different, they themselves do not know (including in the USA) whether their systems can withstand our Iskanders ....
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 21 December 2018 12: 27
      -3
      Quote: Alexey-74
      It is logical that Germany was bustling, there are no missile defense systems ....

      The development of the MEADS air defense system began long before the Russia-Europe-USA conflict and has nothing to do with it.
  8. taiga2018
    taiga2018 21 December 2018 11: 29
    +1
    not only because of this vile people my father grew up without a father, and my grandmother had to raise seven children alone, so now they are going to distort my life with their paranoid tantrums ...
  9. Hypersound
    Hypersound 21 December 2018 11: 33
    0
    Even one Iskander hypersonic missile is extremely difficult to shoot down, and if you dozens at the same time? Nothing will help

    And we can do it - we have a lot of Iskander and continue to bake like pies
  10. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 21 December 2018 11: 39
    -2
    A working system against short-range ballistic missiles, like the Point, is in Israel.
    Sling of David. If the Germans fail to develop themselves, they will buy from us.
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 21 December 2018 12: 25
      -2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      If the Germans fail to develop themselves, they will buy from us.

      The Germans have already formed in MEADS, they have nowhere to go.
    2. Guru
      Guru 21 December 2018 12: 27
      0
      And the owner will allow you to sell?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 21 December 2018 12: 45
        0
        Co-owner of Sling of David - Raytheon. And, of course, Pentagon confirmation will be required. This weapon is of "special importance". For Poland, for example, they were not allowed to sell it.
        1. Grognag
          Grognag 21 December 2018 17: 59
          0
          Iskander is far from the point, and the Israelis are not always obsolete SCUDS to shoot down
          1. Grognag
            Grognag 21 December 2018 17: 59
            0
            May not always
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    4. XXXIII
      XXXIII 21 December 2018 12: 34
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      If the Germans fail to develop themselves, they will buy from us.

      What are your dreams, however, it’s weirdly true, the Germans themselves seem to be able to make rockets and are not bad, but where do they have no Jews, they love you so much ..... smile
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 21 December 2018 12: 47
        0
        The Germans were a little behind in computers and radars - in the MSA, in short. They themselves know how to make rockets.
    5. Tusv
      Tusv 21 December 2018 13: 21
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      is in Israel. Sling of David. If the Germans fail to develop themselves, they will buy from us.

      And the MBDA Dudes will suck their paw? And so interesting. Create your missile defense under the American missile from Patriot. Can a mix of a bulldog with a rhino bring down Iskanders? For example, we push push. Either they create a missile for the complex, then the missile improves the complex. Naturally and Iskanders improve
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 21 December 2018 13: 29
        0
        "Will the mixture of a bulldog and a rhino be able to bring down Iskander?" ////
        ----
        I certainly can’t say anything about Iskanders ... but Israel is producing an open-architecture SLMS ABM. Suitable for any missiles (suitable for tasks). That is, the Patriot can work under the Sling or vice versa.
    6. silberwolf88
      silberwolf88 21 December 2018 19: 14
      +2
      Davila's sling doesn’t catch everything ... not everything ... Iskander is definitely not her forte ...
  11. 1536
    1536 21 December 2018 12: 20
    0
    What a swell! They would also have thought how to restore the FAA to them. Poland will be glad to reopen the production of these German missiles on its territory?
  12. XXXIII
    XXXIII 21 December 2018 12: 29
    0
    Germany prepares response to Russian Iskanders
    It will be Mercedes, sausage, cheese, adult films, hold on to the budget of Russia, foreign goods are lucky .... smile
  13. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 21 December 2018 12: 34
    -2
    Today Ryabov Kirill described this complex in detail in the "Armament" tab, you can familiarize yourself with the essence of the issue.
  14. Ros 56
    Ros 56 21 December 2018 12: 58
    0
    I don’t understand, but why then do the Germans pay to NATO? An interesting movie, keep NATO, and even more than that, develop your own. Famously.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 21 December 2018 13: 23
      0
      NATO implies a contribution of all participants in the amount of 2% of their GDP. Germany contributes approximately 1%, less than normal.
  15. novobranets
    novobranets 21 December 2018 14: 04
    0
    According to the resource, the talks at the talks are about Germany getting “sixth level” access to American technology.
    Kindergarten. What do they think, the states staged this performance with horror stories in order to share something? Yeah, wait. tongue To sell the finished product, it’s always welcome, so they tried. And to produce competitors, keep your pocket wider. Moreover, they found someone to send for negotiations, Frau Dyrlyanen. They laugh at her in Germany.
  16. egor egor
    egor egor 21 December 2018 15: 12
    0
    Asking States Germany Asking States, ha ha ha
  17. Grognag
    Grognag 21 December 2018 17: 30
    0
    I wonder what is the period from the announcement of the program to the finished hardware, I think that they can’t catch up already
  18. for
    for 22 December 2018 10: 35
    0
    Technology may not be given up, but they will help to equip the army, Soon 41, America will not fight with us, linguis please.
  19. Old26
    Old26 22 December 2018 16: 46
    0
    Quote: swnvaleria
    in cube, you can borrow a few Iskander from old memory so that the "partners" do not relax

    Will Cuba want? Or do you decide what Cuba needs and what not?