More landfills and receipts! Garbage reform in a figurative sense?

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In Russia, at least approximately 7% of household waste is recycled and disposed of. In Europe, this figure reaches 80%. And in European countries we are talking about fairly deep processing - recycled and food waste, and plastic, and waste paper, and glass. We have nothing to brag about yet: in the absolute majority of cases, the garbage is either burned or goes to burial grounds at special landfills.





At his press conference, Vladimir Putin said that Russia needs to build at least two hundred incinerators before 2024. According to him, they didn’t deal with recycling at all, since the Soviet times it was simply dumped into pits.

Firstly, it is necessary to eliminate illegal landfills, secondly, to build a whole industry for recycling. It is necessary to use international experience in this area in its best options.


Earlier, on December 6, during his interview on summing up the year, Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev also noted the need to more effectively address the problem of household and industrial waste. In particular, he spoke of the need to adopt an appropriate program, which will make it possible to drastically (at times) increase the proportion of recycled solid waste, as well as the need to systematically combat illegal dumping sites.

Landfills that have become the talk of the town is a topic that has become very disturbing to our people, which concerns not only forest regions, but also in general. Of course, we will now finalize this program and begin to implement it.


All this, of course, is very good. Without the slightest irony, I think that turning my country into one big dump is a crime. Ordinary Russians think about the same thing: according to a survey conducted by the NAFI analytical center, more than half of the inhabitants of Russia consider the environmental conditions in their places of residence to be unfavorable. And it is very good that the main state officials paid attention to this problem. But, unfortunately, already now it can be noted that the matter is moving somehow not very quickly and not always in coordination.

Already at Putin’s press conference, there is some inconsistency in the information that is on the tables of the president and the prime minister. Medvedev in his interview spoke about the construction program for 2024, the 210 complex for the processing and disposal of solid waste. Perhaps it was this program that Putin had in mind. But he already called these complexes "waste incineration plants". It would seem just a trifle and inconsistency. But we all know very well what country we live in, and we understand that it is much easier for the officials in charge of the program to simplify their task and, instead of a complex cycle of sorting and recycling, to fix their waste. Whose words will be decisive for them?

Meanwhile, waste recycling can really become a whole sector of the economy. Plastics, metals, ceramics, building materials, glass, paper - and this is not the whole list of what can be obtained from waste. Probably, food waste may also be in demand: they, of course, cannot be returned to the table for people, but as food for pigs, poultry, or as fertilizer, they may well be in demand.

Instead, I repeat, we can get two hundred garbage cans, into which all household waste will be dumped. Which, of course, is still better than nothing, but still somehow does not pull on a qualified decision.

The initiative to create a unified waste treatment operator in Russia is also alarming. Alas, our passion for centralizing everything and everyone is often just a cover for the desire to build a private dam on the next financial flow. In words, of course, everything sounds great - this operator will lend business to the business, and will distribute the environmental fee “correctly” and “effectively”, and will shift the capital costs to its shoulders. Moreover, it is likely that it will be effective to control the regions in the sphere of controlling the disposal and recycling of household waste.

Yeah, schaz ... Swam, we know. The next RosKomLondonReal Estate or Rosspetsyakhtstroy will come out with a probability of 99%, but for all other options, only the percentile remains.

As part of the ongoing “garbage reform” in the country (the name is not official, but real, many Russian reforms would be great!) Already from 1 in January 2019, the country should switch to a new waste management system. Accordingly, even in the summer in the regions they had to choose local operators and approve tariffs for the population. However, the process did not go as smoothly as the initiators would like it to, and, to put it mildly, it’s premature to speak about the full readiness of the regions.

As of 9 in August, 79 reg-operators have been selected in 203 subjects of the Russian Federation. Competition procedures have not yet started only in Moscow and the Saratov region. The 15 regions in which the 37 operators operate are completely transferred to the new system. Selected, but did not start working 166 operators in the 71 subject. Back in the 9 subjects, contests have been announced.


One of the peculiarities of this reform is that since 1 in January of 2019, the dumping of glass, metal, and plastic has been prohibited at the sites. At first glance, this is good, as it will stimulate the sorting and recycling of garbage. But in fact, this can be a big problem, because in most cases it is simply nowhere to process sorted materials, and glass, plastic, metal will have to be simply stored in some kind of “temporary storage place”. In fact, we will be realistic, we will get some more landfills: licensed companies will not accept unsorted garbage for fear of sanctions, and they will take him to the suburbs, to secluded ravines and ravines with even greater pleasure.

Our officials, we must pay tribute to them, understand the urgency of the problem, so by 1 next January, the municipalities were instructed to create maps of additional solid waste disposal sites. That is, the classic "for which they fought, and ran into it" manifested itself in all its senseless beauty.

In fact, we cannot allow our officials to fail this reform as well. In the country, even according to official data there are 22 thousand illegal dumps. And the situation is only getting worse: we do produce more and more waste, and the industry and industry are not far behind. Even comparatively small cities have a risk of turning suburbs into a dump, what can we say about megacities. But such examples show how questionable are our paper successes in this field.

Of course, it is more profitable for a business to reduce everything to the appearance of another payment receipt. True, even now the population pays several times for the sorting and disposal of garbage: we pay for the packaging of goods, the cost of which already includes an environmental fee; municipalities spend our money on sorting garbage (although they rarely do it); no one has also canceled payments for the removal and disposal of MSW. Perhaps, our guardians will come up with some other kind of payment, put their children “on stream”, and that’s all, to their joy, and it will end.

But I would like the interests of people, not business, to prevail this time. So, one optimistic speech at a press conference will not be enough. We still have to fight ...

But we need to fight, because no one is going to fight for us.
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  1. +6
    21 December 2018 15: 10
    Oh, oh, when we burned the plague pigs, brrrr, I will never forget this stench!
    Imagine how people live next to whatever the landfill !!!
    The prospects are gloomy and no decrees, wishes of the situation will save ... I want to ask about responsible business, responsible officials and the state ??? But for some reason it seems that it will look naive or stupid !!!
    1. +7
      21 December 2018 15: 50
      In Moscow, just outside the Moscow Ring Road, there are garbage dumps as high as a twenty-story building. The "garbage mafia" is spinning in landfills. Garbage is Klondike and Eldorado in one bottle. This problem has not been solved for decades, but simply buried in the ground. I doubt that as a result of the press conference, the matter will get off the ground, because this issue has already been raised on a straight line with the president. And nothing has changed.
      1. +10
        21 December 2018 16: 16
        Quote: Bearded
        In Moscow, right behind the Moscow Ring Road, there are garbage dumps the height of a twenty-story building.

        already found other victims ..
        In the government of the Arkhangelsk region, the Moscow City Hall presented a project for the collection of capital waste in the region. Moscow authorities plan to bury 10 million tons of briquetted household waste in the Lensky district of the Arkhangelsk region.
      2. +1
        21 December 2018 17: 28
        It is necessary to create a whole system of recycling, and perhaps it is necessary to start with the population.
        Plastic in one container, glass in another, food waste in the third, etc. Metals can be combined with plastic, for example, they can be easily separated later using a magnet.
        In my opinion, the most difficult thing is to instill sorting rules into the population, there will certainly be problems with this.
        1. AUL
          +4
          21 December 2018 19: 21
          Do you agree to have 3 - 4 buckets in your kitchen instead of one? For example, I will simply have nowhere to put them (for Khrushchev).
          1. +2
            21 December 2018 20: 19
            I have been sorting my trash for many years. But I do NOT live in a high-rise building. There are problems with food waste in the summer.
            But you have to start with sorting sometime.
        2. +4
          21 December 2018 20: 21
          That is, I practically do the work for my uncle, and for this I also plan to increase the tariff. So?
          Cool!(((
          not to mention the fact that in Moscow it was a long time ago to see - there, a friend near the house had several garbage bins, of different colors, inscriptions on them, and here a garbage truck pulls up - and all these colorful tanks, with different contents - all in one hole ( ((.... do you think those who saw this, then laid out something in different tanks?)
          1. +1
            21 December 2018 21: 46
            You are wrong . I once had such an opinion
            . My classmates worked in a garbage truck, he enlightened me, there are several compartments in the car body, and each tank is filled up in its compartment.
            1. 0
              21 December 2018 22: 00
              And where to put electronics? I just unscrewed the board with the necessary Conders, well, and the rest? There, plastic, and metal, and all kinds of chemistry.
              1. +1
                24 December 2018 09: 38
                Look on the Internet, we in Krasnodar have one place where they take it by electrolyte, I recently took all my old phones there.
            2. -1
              21 December 2018 23: 04
              Now it’s quite possible, but then the dump that was moving was clearly visible, it was like not yesterday ...
        3. +1
          24 December 2018 09: 36
          In our yard, for half a year, as a separate container for plastic, people don’t believe plastic is always thrown into it, in the next yard it’s also for mukalatura, we take out paper there, so let them put such containers around the city, people will throw it away, it's like 90th we had wrappers and cigarette butts thrown onto the sidewalk, then put trash cans every 10 meters and rubbish began to be thrown into trash bins, of course there are still pigs, but most of them are normal people.
          1. 0
            27 December 2018 23: 34
            Pivot, confirm! The same thing happened in our village: We put plastic containers near all the trash, and people disciplinedly carried plastic in them, but people understand everything, no one even tried to throw something else there. And then the containers were removed, although before that the full ones were taken away, but instead they were put empty. I believe that everything went as part of the initiative from above, but, as is usual with us, the officials did not have the responsibility and desire to bring the matter to an end. Apparently, it was not possible to organize processing. And, most likely, they didn’t try - extra headaches! The authorities pretended that he was not yet up to his own initiative, and his subordinates had prepared a list of objective reasons why the initiative was not yet feasible. This is how we live, having a bastard bureaucracy imitating activity.
  2. HAM
    +5
    21 December 2018 15: 13
    In the Krasnodar Territory, 30 hectares were removed from agricultural land and transferred to a landfill, this place is 500 meters from the water intake and 700 meters from housing! From January 1, garbage will be brought in from all over the territory !! And there are no processing plants ..... sad ..
    https://tvrain.ru/teleshow/here_and_now/kubanskaja_stanitsa_vystupila_protiv_stroitelstva_musornogo_poligona-476921/
  3. +9
    21 December 2018 15: 15
    But I would like this time to prevail the interests of people, not business.
    When was this?
    1. +3
      21 December 2018 15: 25
      The interests of the people were and directed voucherization. !! And what happened.
    2. +7
      21 December 2018 15: 25
      The interests of people are also different, he witnessed how the greens in every possible way impeded the construction of both the incinerator and the garbage recycling plant, moreover, they were sponsored by guess who, correctly fshami. And people hung their ears and handed out signatures with pleasure. The reason for the protest was the benefit of people and their health.
      1. +9
        21 December 2018 15: 53
        Do you know why there is a drug mafia? Or do you think that a person from birth wants to get hooked on a needle? The garbage business in the form in which it exists in Russia brings a lot of money to the owners. Garbage in our country is taken in cubic meters, and not by weight. Payment is based on the number of coupons handed over. You don’t have to carry garbage at all, but just report with coupons ...
        It was a very good proposal to reduce the number of unauthorized landfills and streamline the process at landfills for recycling and factories. It was proposed to pay drivers (citizens) who brought garbage to the landfill with live money. Brought - get it. This is the forgotten principle of acceptance of glass containers. But here you have to think, optimize costs. There are already no coupons to report. And an example of this is the reception of ferrous and non-ferrous metals. It is unlikely that you will see abandoned wearable (even transported) metal products in cities. Money is right there.
        If we are being charged VAT of French origin - Gorbachev's spill, then it's time to oblige shopping centers to use "environmentally friendly" packaging. You understand that this requires both reorganization and budget investments. It is much easier to lose billions in a football show and, while standing, sing praises in the garbage. A feast during a plague is a very unpleasant sight. If someone does not agree and begins to say "nothing happened, nobody was born," then let me be curious:
        "Why are our rowers of retirement and very retirement age constantly rowing in galleys and so, at the tables in the offices, in such tension, constantly, from year to year?" belay
        PS By the way. On RenTV Nikita collected all 15 million rubles and even more. Thank you, together we saved the life of not only this child ...
        1. +4
          21 December 2018 16: 15
          This is not from olympiads such as unnecessary and cool stadiums, it’s inappropriately to weave it here. Here, the main reason is the culture of garbage collection, which must be inculcated from kindergarten, not only have the Soviet education system been deliberately destroyed, but also replaced with fiction. When people begin to instill culture in all its manifestations from early childhood, from labor to state responsibility, then no garbage mafia and their ilk will be able to progress on the body of the state and society.
          1. +9
            21 December 2018 17: 54
            We have too much plastic. Drinking in plastic, chemistry in plastic. Products are either in plastic or in cellophane. It is necessary at least to move away from plastic containers for food to glass (with a refund for money, as in the Union), food paper and cardboard. Recycle rubber. Iron, as you yourself understand, is in color.
            P.S. We all still remember how we went for milk and beer with cans and three-liter cans, and beer did not get worse from this, but rather. Although the quality of beer is a different story ...
            1. +3
              21 December 2018 17: 56
              Totally agree good good good
            2. +1
              21 December 2018 19: 31
              Quote: sabakina
              move away from plastic containers for products to glass (with a refund for money, as in the Union)

              it’s impossible to defeat human laziness, who agrees to drag back to the store and rattle with heavy bottles, it’s like switching the TV again manually fellow
              1. 0
                21 December 2018 22: 05
                Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                who agrees to drag back to the store and rattle with heavy bottles, it's like switching the TV again manually

                Your untruth. In the USSR, grandmothers went for bottles like mushrooms. And what? A pair of bottles, any - a loaf of bread. And even a liter of beer. Somehow, with my grandfather, as much as 20 with something there, rubles were taken on a trolley.
                1. 0
                  21 December 2018 22: 40
                  Well, I also collected bottles in my childhood, only economically this is a heavy returnable container that does not generate income, requiring additional transportation costs, storage and writing off for battle instead of penny bags, who will now drag heavy uncomfortable bottles with increased cost in a magnetic bag, so that they can then be thrown away for grandmothers
                2. +2
                  22 December 2018 15: 41
                  And not only grandmothers ... he was a kid himself. Two milk bottles - three meat patties.
            3. 0
              22 December 2018 15: 49
              Quote: sabakina
              Products are either in plastic or in cellophane.

              1) plastic is much more convenient in transportation
              2) paper and cardboard are cut down forests, this will further worsen their condition
              3)
              Quote: sabakina
              as we went for milk and beer with cans and three-liter cans,
              - only now I doubt that I would want now TOGO draft milk or beer CURRENT traders ..
              And even then in Moscow a pack of soda gave a ton of capacity (at a fixed point) of beer - 100-120 liters of extra fellow fellow Foam, sir ... And it’s even without her bodysuit with water
  4. +14
    21 December 2018 15: 34
    Swam, we know. Another RosComLondonReal Estate

    There is such a question. The fact that the garbage business in the West is a lot of money, look at Berlusconi, for example, where did he come from? In Russia, this incentive does not work; there is simply no such branch of business in the country. In the USSR, Putin already screwed up here, regarding the processing of technology, there were and worked. Until now, in the thieves district of Kuntsevo, where the party apparatchiks lived, even in neighboring houses they don’t know that this shit is the oldest garbage recycling plant in the country, it works so cleanly even by today's standards.
    To get things going, you need a guide pendal. Otherwise, it is not visible in the waves of enthusiasts who will build, even though it is profitable and has long been justified. Want an example? The technology for producing metals, valuable and rare, such as vanadium - from TES / TPP ash and slag. It was developed not in the Sharashkin office, but in the FSUE VNIINM, google, be surprised who it is. the profit there is beyond the bounds of good, the technology was run-in already in 2004, it was industrially driven out a bit later. These ash and slag near any boiler house lie in the mountains, even moss cannot grow on them, only sharpen knives on it. And there are no processing plants, despite the fact that the technology is as simple as lowing.
    The question is what needs to be done to remove these mountains of ash and slag, this is not MSW for the city, they do not even decompose, they give a lunar landscape, killing everything. Without such a coordinating body, nichrome will definitely not work
    1. +2
      21 December 2018 16: 21
      Already there is such a business, we have an operator in Rostov-on-Don - a company from Volgograd Clean city called, you can’t swallow appetites), we were planning to build a plant, according to the papers - processing, as in fact, who knows, less than a kilometer from a fairly large microdistrict of the city - google Leventsovka in Rostov-on-Don, they were planning to bring plastic from 6 regions of the Southern Federal District for processing there (people stood on their hind legs, rallies, etc., most likely the result was in favor of the company, but another component intervened - there was already a landfill, which they tried to close, but then, as it were, they forgot, and they seized the territory with self-capture, but the Federal Law came out - banning the development of aerodrome zones, it turns out there are military airfields, this place was banned, the military did not agree and nobody argue with them did not dare
      . so the plant will be built somewhere else ...
      1. +4
        21 December 2018 18: 06
        Well, about the rally - read what I wrote above about the waste recycling plant in Kuntsevo! It is not visible by emissions, you know? Now tell me where you got it
        the people stood on their hind legs
        , why? We don’t know what will happen, but they told us that they will burn garbage here, we will all die! I saw this in the 90s in Moscow, namely Greenpeace.
        Well, a plant will be specially built for you, so that like a gas chamber! To be! Or, if you figure it out to your nose, is there a bit of a protest because of that?
        1. -1
          21 December 2018 20: 13
          We don’t have Kuntsevo, the steppes around, a place, if you wish, can be found WITHOUT people living nearby, but neither the authorities nor the company were interested in transporting it further, transport, and greenpeace was connected almost at the last stage, and the fragrance is there now not very pleasant, but what was there in 2014 were going to close ...
      2. -1
        21 December 2018 20: 35
        About we do not know what will happen - "the severity of the laws in Russia is compensated by the non-obligation of their execution", (c), on paper there will be one thing, in fact it is easy to another, how many times it has already happened and until the noise rises to heaven, like no one knew anything and did not know, they have already passed and more than once, thanks, when it comes to children and their health, this is NOT NECESSARY !!!
    2. +6
      21 December 2018 16: 23
      Quote: Jerk
      garbage business in the west is a lot of money

      Moscow trash operators annually earn 11 billion rubles.
      Quote: Jerk
      And there are no processing plants

      In Russia, 95 percent of the garbage is taken to landfills, and only five goes for recycling. In the European Union, on the contrary, almost 95 percent of the waste is recycled, and the rest is burnt or buried.
      Rosprirodnadzor: the residual capacity of landfills in Moscow is three years. After this there will be no free space for storing waste on them - there is nowhere to store the garbage. And ahead is the renovation of the Khrushchevs, which will double the amount of garbage!
  5. +4
    21 December 2018 15: 44
    At the same time and simultaneously in different regions, suddenly everyone was interested in the garbage question. Someone very strongly interested in this matter is directly visible. And where the ears stick out - it will become clear to everyone after the return of deputies from the holidays.
    Someone bought the construction of waste incinerators and waste recycling plants.
    1. +1
      21 December 2018 16: 07
      Quote: Sergey-8848
      Someone bought the construction of waste incinerators and waste recycling plants.

      Most likely someone took control of the production of garbage containers for different types of garbage. The introduction of water meters brought savings and streamlined the use of water and sewage? Yes, celery is there. Someone is very interested in the production of devices of elemental complexity, low cost, high cost and increased demand ... So it is here. They will set up garbage processing plants (maybe they will simply disburse the funds), and landfills will remain. request
      1. +1
        22 December 2018 16: 01
        Quote: ROSS 42
        The introduction of water meters brought savings and streamlined the use of water and sewage?
        - but you won’t believe it - it brought !!! earlier my neighbor regularly let water under my house — when I paid for the garden by the meter. In the year before last I missed it by the meter — I looked at the costs and 1 DAY (!!!!!!) I changed the route and all the wiring in the garden and at home. And before that, I’ve drowned me for 16 years. I was even ready to change the pipes once
        And a friend in the city, before he opens the faucet, gushes all the water - he shaves, now a thin stream, just wash the razor.
        And so many ...

        Quote: ROSS 42
        They will set up garbage processing plants (maybe they will simply disburse the funds), and landfills will remain.
        -there is a tank, regularly taken out is never full, people bring-and puts bags NEAR bakov. Dogs come running, ruffle the bags - the garbage flies. I tried to say - the answer is "We pay for the garbage - let them collect it !!!!" ......

        And the people are also outraged by 126 rubles a month for garbage disposal - "We have just one bag a week in total"
  6. +7
    21 December 2018 15: 51
    Yes, and actually, what am I. Not about an example, but about the topic of waste recycling. Here it would be necessary either to build a couple of pilot production chains, the state is required to have the most favored regime - do not put a spoke in the wheels, and not let the enterprise be squeezed out of business, for example, by creating a full cycle of waste recycling - that is, garbage disposal - recycling a plant, in the form of a sorting unit, an incineration unit (for the author, this is actually a thermal power plant, a power plant, and not to burn at the stake just so that there is no energy and heating, just like in Kuntsevo), a processing unit - and here it is important - a further unit using recycled raw materials. It is at this stage that they begin to put pressure on - the market is divided, then a new player comes out on it, offers, for example, recycled PVC, and it simply does not find a sale, the telephone law is turned on and "go home frigid", as in the joke.
    If a couple of pilots stock up, then it will untwist itself. But there is no way without state participation.
    The second option is to give discounts to the waste producer, since he processes it himself. In the case of cities and their waste - for example, increase the budget in proportion to this processing. Well, it’s the business of economists to consider it more rational.
  7. +3
    21 December 2018 15: 53

    Garbage recycling plant at the Vienna Center! Why not instead of stadiums, or office skyscrapers, build such a handsome man in every metropolis, at least in Moscow alone, if the car is spinning there.
    1. +5
      21 December 2018 16: 01
      There is not one. So that it was really fun - not so long ago a pilot quarter was built in the Chertanovo district with an underground garbage chute to the processing unit. Crap is rare, but they decided to check - but will it fly up? It didn’t take off, which is logical. Expensive.
      But there are still people working in Moscow, another thing is that there are few
    2. +3
      21 December 2018 16: 11
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      Why...

      Or like in Japan:
  8. +2
    21 December 2018 16: 03
    The initiative to create a single waste processing operator in Russia is also alarming.

    To no avail.
    Another "Plato" will turn out, that's all.
    And as for the rise in price - so it is necessary to put somewhere explosive growth of incomes of the population!
  9. +2
    21 December 2018 16: 07
    In order for waste incineration plants to function, a clear and streamlined work is needed to sort the garbage, because if everything is burned in their furnaces, complex chemical compounds are formed, the consequences of which for the environment can be most dire. And who will give a guarantee that in the pursuit of profit these newly-minted breeders will not stupidly burn all the garbage without worrying about the consequences. I am more than sure that it will be so, there are many problems with the processing of sorted garbage, we need appropriate enterprises. Here it is necessary not only to build incinerators, but to create the whole chain from sorting at the place of waste collection to final processing.
  10. -4
    21 December 2018 16: 08
    Oh, new military analytics! Read.
  11. -3
    21 December 2018 16: 24
    I’m very sorry, but what does this article have to do with "Military Review"? For a thematic resource, despite an important and acute topic, this is a clear offtopic. Is it possible that the Military Ecological Troops appeared in the RF Ministry of Defense? When to wait for a military review of the humpback whale population? laughing
    PS: "... before, books were written for readers, and now, more and more for the writers themselves ..." (© Classic.)
    1. +1
      22 December 2018 04: 04
      Trash and VO ... it would seem that in common?
      1. +1
        22 December 2018 10: 00
        From the defense industry and the army most of all garbage, with the most toxic and radioactive.
        And how the army utilizes waste and decommissioned equipment, you can guess ...
  12. 0
    21 December 2018 16: 47
    Winter has come ... "Seagulls" flew to the trash heaps. And you say that garbage dumps are poisoning people. Here is what kind of face you can get drunk on the slops, if you eat them skillfully.
  13. 0
    21 December 2018 19: 39
    I agree, but we have other more important problems above the roof and no money, I think that we need to start where it really is one of the most important problems for today
  14. -1
    22 December 2018 00: 18
    : laughing And who is in the "topic" on the budget of this national project?
  15. -1
    22 December 2018 00: 31
    Should Putin's words about Japan's experience in waste disposal and recycling be understood as attracting and paying exclusively for Japanese technologies and equipment for use by a "single waste operator"?
  16. 0
    22 December 2018 09: 58
    If you accept the rule - Do you sell products? Please take the packaging back for a fee (albeit symbolic). Producing? Take it back for recycling. Most of the problem with garbage will be solved, because the main hard-to-recycle component of garbage is various plastics from packaging and disposable products. To make the production of disposable items less profitable and the packaging volume reasonable is the first step in the fight against pollution.
  17. +3
    22 December 2018 12: 38
    Thinking out loud.
    As any construction begins with the installation of a toilet, the production of any product should be decided on the issues of its subsequent disposal. The cost of the subsequent disposal must be included in the cost of the goods. Products will rise in price - yes, but then processed.
    The question is as huge as space. Already even in near-Earth space a real garbage can.
    The level of disposal issues is such that at least the first deputy chairman of the government should deal with it in order to have an influence on all ministers, including power ministers.
    It would be nice to develop a concept for special recycling industrial clusters, where delivery, sorting and processing are combined (for example: solid waste into building materials, combustible - into energy, scrap metal into raw materials for metallurgy, etc.). And each city or village has its own "candle factory". Here you have both ecology and jobs.
    You look at the children and grandchildren will be the Earth and the Motherland, and not a poisoned trash.
  18. +1
    22 December 2018 16: 06
    At his press conference, Vladimir Putin said that Russia needs to build at least two hundred incineration plants before the 2024 year.
    The crown of the thought process of thieves. Not to recycle, but to burn, destroying nature and taking out of circulation that which could still be used more than once with competent processing.
    1. -4
      22 December 2018 16: 23
      Quote: NordUral
      Not to recycle, but to burn, destroying nature and taking out of circulation what else could be, with competent processing, to be used more than once

      Is this now called "constructive criticism"? Are you really a "techie"? Plagued by vague doubts winked

      "Technician", have you seen garbage at least once close, in marketable quantities?
    2. -1
      28 December 2018 00: 08
      NordUral, you said everything is right. And this despite the fact that competent waste processing is extremely beneficial. But who will undertake! The start-up capital is huge, but as the profit goes, some security officials will appear and squeeze out the business. They will simply squeeze out, they will not even want bribes. Euroset was squeezed out, defaming Chichvarkin, creating an image of a scumbag for him - the guy was afraid to even come to his mother's funeral - a shame to the state! And now the chain of stores "Red and White" is being squeezed out - a person created a network of 7000 stores, this year he finally became a billionaire - did not you come?!? Well, a store is an uncomplicated production. What about a waste recycling plant? The equipment costs millions of dollars there! And the scoundrels will come and take it away, and there is no protection, so no one starts. Shame on such a state!
      1. +1
        28 December 2018 00: 25
        Lyudmila Yakovlevna! Everything is correct, only now in our country it is not the state, but the organized crime group in power. The West seems to recognize the state, but only because these are beneficial to it. His own, which you can both take in the front, or you can throw. Although this is all muddy, as is the case with Deripaska.
        And in terms of waste processing - if there was a State, then there would be long-term soft loans for the establishment of processing.
        Somehow I came across: in every state there is an organized crime group, but not every organized crime group has a whole country ...
        This is our case.
  19. 0
    22 December 2018 16: 19
    garbage collection is a very tasty morsel, but data on Europe is very doubtful, garbage processing is a very expensive business. The United States prefers to take out garbage to China, which can be sorted out, which is not-- it’s easier to burn, household appliances overseas have long been sold with an addition to the price for disposal ..., environmental programs-- clean divorce
    1. +1
      22 December 2018 17: 20
      I will say briefly - clean air, water and land are very expensive, but nowhere to go. And burning is also not cheap and very dirty.
  20. +3
    27 December 2018 16: 35
    They began to give the names of famous people to airports. Why not continue the line further and give the dumps the names of famous politicians at the regional and federal levels? I wonder how long would the landfill, in their name, last in their place?
  21. 0
    27 December 2018 21: 38
    All this summer, autumn, and spring too, my wife and I, and then we connected all of our summer cottage abbey, to fight garbage in the forest and on the field, not far from our summer cottage. In May it began, exactly on the first holidays and more or less ended, but not until the end, in October. The container ship stupidly arrives and dumps the contents. There seems to be no food debris, there is even construction debris, and so is glass, plastic and other shit. the pile grew accordingly. Passers-by on the road also strive to throw out their shit. Then they began to throw huge wheels. wheels (rubber) similar to mining trucks or timber trucks. Rubber with a good lug to knead dirt, and not ride on asphalt. The wheels have not been removed, and from pieces under 20, they are lying on the field. And garbage from the container truck was cleaned 5-7 times. He will dump, a week will pass - they will remove. Wife then send a picture to the mobile phone from the finished work, like we did. Although they did it badly, not everything was cleaned. And so they fought with these idiots who throw garbage wherever they want. Interestingly, but they also shit at home?
    PS The penultimate time even found papers (documents) of Sberbank of Russia from a branch of the nearest city. A whole package of docks, it was torn from them and the wind blew everything across the field. They took photos, sent them where they needed to, although I insisted that the environmentalists be sent to get rid of the full range of these scum-garbage trucks. Hope they got rid of it.

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