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Why Iskander Is Dangerous?

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About a year ago, the leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense reported on the first instances of the combat use of operational-tactical missile systems 9K720 "Iskander" as part of an operation in Syria. A few days ago there were new messages about similar work of rocket complexes. It was noted that during real combat launches, missile systems showed high performance and coped with the tasks. Thus, Iskander OTRK was able to confirm its capabilities in the context of a real conflict of low intensity.


However, operational-tactical missile systems of the new type were created not only for local armed conflicts, but also for full-scale wars. In addition, as shown by the events of recent years, "Iskander" are an effective military-political tool that can influence the situation by its presence alone. In this regard, clear questions arise: what exactly makes OTRK of the Iskander family so effective in different areas and why are such complexes an essential element of the Russian armed forces?


Self-propelled launching device Otkr Iskander on the exercise Center-2015


Missile carriers

Obviously, the combat qualities of any OTRK are primarily determined by the tactical and technical characteristics of its individual components. Indeed, the characteristics of various machines from its composition make a significant contribution to the capabilities of the Iskander complex. All fixed assets of this complex are made on self-propelled chassis and have high mobility, which allows them to reach the specified positions in time and prepare the launch of rockets.

The structure of OTRK 9K720 includes six machines for different purposes, not counting the training facilities and the so-called. arsenal equipment. In the standard rocket brigade, more than 50 machines of various types are operated in total. The basis of the complex - self-propelled launcher 9P78-1. Her work is provided by the transport-charging machine 9Т250, the command-staff 9-552, as well as the information preparation point, the life-support machine and the machine for regulation and maintenance.

The main machines of the complex are built on the four-axis chassis of the MZKT-7930 "Astrologer"; other funds are mounted on KamAZ vehicles. Using such chassis, the components of the Iskander OTRK are capable of driving on a highway with speeds of at least 70 km / h. It also provides movement on a dirt road at a speed of 40 km / h or over rough terrain with overcoming various obstacles. Water barriers intersect at fords or bridges. The power reserve of the launcher - 1000 km.


Means of the Iskander complex. In the foreground - the command and staff machine 9C552


The 9P78-1 combat vehicle and other elements of the complex are capable of moving to a predetermined position in a minimum time for deployment and launch production. According to reports, the launch of the rocket can be performed through 4-5 minutes after arriving at the position. Much of the preparation for the launch of the rocket is carried out by automation, but human involvement is not completely excluded. An important feature of the OTRK 9K720 is the presence of two missiles at once on one launcher. Two more products are on the transport-charging machine and can be overloaded to the launcher. According to the standards, the overload of one rocket takes 16 min.

Ballistic missile

The first for the Iskander OTRK was the creation of a ground-to-ground ballistic missile of type 9М723. This is a single-stage solid-fuel rocket with a non-detachable head part, having a guidance system based on inertial and satellite navigation. It is also known to develop several alternative homing heads, which determine the target using radar or optical systems. The 9М723 rocket looks and resembles the ammunition of other domestic PRTRs in its design, but it has a number of serious technical and operational differences.

First of all, it is necessary to take into account that the product 9М723 is a so-called. quasi-ballistic rocket. During the flight, it is able not only to move along a given ballistic trajectory, but to maneuver. On-board control systems allow you to perform some maneuvers in all parts of the trajectory, from the moment of launch to the fall on the target. Intensive maneuvering on the way to the target is one of the main ways to protect the missile from enemy air defense or missile defense.


Iskander on the way to the firing position


Maneuvers with significant overloads on the active site make the rocket's trajectory unpredictable, which makes it difficult to intercept it with modern air defense and missile defense systems. On the ballistic part of the trajectory, interception is hampered by two factors. First of all, at this stage, the rocket rises to a height of about 50 km and goes beyond the zone of responsibility of air defense weapons. In addition, the unpredictability of the trajectory associated with maneuvering, in turn, eliminates the effective operation of modern missile defense systems.

Some sources mention that the 9М723 rocket carries a means of overcoming missile defense, similar to the equipment of intercontinental ballistic missiles. The product is capable of dropping false targets that interfere with enemy radars. Also mentioned is the presence of its own onboard electronic warfare equipment.

On the descending part of the trajectory, a quasi-ballistic rocket is capable of falling almost vertically at a target at a speed of more than 2 km / s, while at the same time performing maneuvers with overloads over 20 units. High speed, maneuvering and the correct course of combat dramatically reduce the likelihood of successful detection, tracking and interception of missiles with modern air defense and missile defense systems designed to combat the "ordinary" ballistic targets.


The process of reloading rockets from a transporting vehicle to a self-propelled launcher


Products 9М723 can be equipped with different warheads designed to destroy various enemy targets. Point targets, including protected or recessed, should be attacked with high-explosive and concrete-borne monoblock combat units. To attack areal targets, there are several variants of a cluster warhead, differing from each other in types of combat elements. The cassette can contain high-explosive, cumulative, detonating and self-targeting anti-tank submunitions. There is also a special warhead in the form of a monoblock power 50 CT.

The quasi-ballistic missile 9М723 is capable of delivering a warhead to a range of up to 280 km. Its improved version of the 9М723-1, included in the Iskander-M OTRK, according to various sources, has a range of 400 or 480 km. Thus, the 9М720 complexes with ballistic missiles comply with the requirements of the currently valid Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles. The circular deviation of the missiles, according to different sources, does not exceed 10-20 m.

Cruise missile

In the course of further development of the base Iskander OTRK, the Iskander-K system was created. Its main difference lies in the used rocket. Especially for this modification of the complex, a ground-based cruise missile was developed. As before, the self-propelled launcher carries two missiles and is able to use them almost immediately after arriving at the specified position.


Complex operator at work


The basis of the Iskander-K complex is the 9K728 cruise missile, also known as the P-500. As follows from the available data, this product was created without taking into account the developments on other ammunition "Iskander", and it is based on the experience of completely different projects. According to different versions, the 9K728 rocket could be built on the basis of the C-10 “Granat” missile, products of the “Caliber” family or even on the basis of the X-101 air-launched missile. Which of these versions is more true - is not known for certain. Apparently, there is a certain commonality with the modern cruise missiles of the Caliber complex, but the real degree of unification is not revealed.

The P-500 is a subsonic cruise missile with a turbojet propulsion engine. The rocket is completed with an inertial guidance system with the possibility of correction by satellite navigation signals. The autopilot is capable of guiding a missile to a target along an optimal trajectory, ensuring maximum secrecy and reducing the likelihood of successful enemy air defenses. However, the data on this subject is not too much.

According to the available information, the 9K728 rocket is capable of low-altitude flight with a rounding of the terrain. It is also possible to use a ballistic trajectory, during the operation of the starting engine, providing access to greater altitude. Further, the flight and the exit to the target is carried out on the optimal profile. In particular, it is possible to approach the target at a low altitude, drastically reducing the allowable response time of air defense and missile defense.


"Iskander-K" in the combat position


Whether the P-500 rocket has any means of breaking through the enemy’s defenses apart from the correct flight profile is unknown. In this case, it can be noted that the characteristic architecture of this product does not allow carrying a large stock of false targets. It is also not entirely clear whether there can be a jamming station on board the rocket.

The cruise missile for the Iskander has a range of up to 500 km - this parameter is limited by the requirements of the INF Treaty. However, foreign experts and politicians are not inclined to trust the official Russian data. They express doubts on the basis of which the real accusations are based. According to various estimates, the real range of the 9K728 / P-500 product is significantly higher than the stated. The most courageous assumptions bring this parameter to 2000-2500 km. The consequences of this are accusations of violation of the INF Treaty, since this agreement prohibits the development and production of land-based missiles with a range of more than 500 and less than 5500 km.

However, the 9K728 rocket of the operational-tactical complex Iskander-K is not the most popular reason for criticism. US politicians in this context show much more interest in the Russian 9K729 rocket, which, allegedly, also does not comply with the terms of the INF Treaty.


Launch of the quasi-ballistic rocket 9М723


Benefits and Threats

In the framework of the project with the Iskander code, a unique operational-tactical missile system was created by domestic designers, or rather, a whole family of such systems. At the heart of the entire range of complexes are the same ground vehicles, including self-propelled launcher and a set of auxiliary machines. The unified combat vehicle is capable of using ballistic and cruise missiles of several types, differing in their purpose and capabilities.

Last year, the management of the Engineering Design Bureau, which developed the PTRK 9K720, revealed interesting information about the Iskander-M project. It turned out that so far, seven complete missiles of various types and purposes have been developed for this system. Perhaps it was about already known products and their modifications, but in this case, the announced data looks extremely interesting. They directly indicate the potential and combat qualities of the OTRK, as well as its ability to influence the military-political situation.

The Russian army is armed with a universal missile system capable of attacking and destroying various enemy targets at the operational depth using missiles and combat units of a number of types. In fact, we are talking about a universal system with the highest possible and permissible characteristics. For example, the firing range of cruise and ballistic missiles is limited, first of all, by international agreements.


Launch of the P-500 / 9K728 cruise missile


Simultaneously with the maximum possible firing range, the Iskander complex is distinguished by the extreme difficulty of intercepting flying missiles. In the development of ballistic and cruise missiles, both well-known and new ideas were used, which positively affected their ability to break through the enemy's air defense and missile defense systems. The means and methods of breakthroughs were created taking into account the features of modern anti-missile and air defense systems, and therefore the Iskander is one step ahead.

A mobile system with a range of up to 500 km and the possibility of breaking through modern defenses naturally turns out to be a convenient military and political tool. With its help, in the conditions of a real conflict, it is possible to hit various enemy targets, leaving almost no chance for him to repel the blow. In peacetime or in a threatened period, the Iskander family PTRCs can be a convenient means of power projection or even a threat designed to hint transparently at the views and opinions of the state.

In recent years, Iskander complexes have been deployed in a number of ground forces formations based in different regions. The total number of complexes in the army has long exceeded one hundred and, apparently, will increase. Highly efficient military and political means mastered by the troops and able to solve the tasks assigned to it.


Starting the 9K728 product from a masked position


Problems of the future

At present, the most possible way of discussing a possible breach of the INF Treaty. The reason for this, the American side calls violations by Russia. In search of accusations, foreign experts recall the old estimates of the range of a cruise missile 9K728, which, allegedly, is able to fly farther than permissible 500 km.

If the Treaty on Medium and Shorter-Range Missiles is broken, Russia will have to take appropriate measures. One of the consequences of the termination of this agreement could be the emergence of American missiles of new types in different countries of Europe. In this case, the answer to them may be OTRK "Iskander", located in the western regions of Russia. Their task will be to strike the starting positions of a potential enemy - both retaliatory and, possibly, proactive.

Abroad, fear that the cruise missile 9K728 may be based on one of the existing sea-based or air-based products, and for this reason have a range above the limits. And there is a curious logical problem. If the accusations in the direction of the 9K728 rocket are not groundless, and it really violates the Treaty, then as a result of the latter’s breakup, Russia has a “new” weaponcapable of striking at long ranges. And all this will happen before NATO can respond. However, for this it is necessary that the Iskander-K complex really does not meet the current restrictions.

Anyway, now the operational-tactical missile systems of the 9K720 “Iskander” family represent a serious military and political argument that gives our country certain advantages in the international arena. Obviously, the further development of this range of complexes will allow you to maintain the desired opportunities, and with a certain development of events - to multiply them. At the same time, the complex is unlikely to lose its potential even if the situation changes and the existing international agreements are abandoned. "Iskander" will continue to be dangerous for the likely enemy, and therefore extremely useful for our country.

On the materials of the sites:
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/
https://defendingrussia.ru/
https://globalsecurity.org/
http://fas.org/
http://ria.ru/
http://tass.ru/
http://mil.ru/
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-816.html
http://military.tomsk.ru/blog/topic-304.html
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  1. Conductor
    Conductor 20 December 2018 05: 41
    +2
    In general, there is something to threaten the adversary !!!
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    1. Hypersound
      Hypersound 20 December 2018 06: 07
      +1
      Best-in-Class Weapons
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 20 December 2018 21: 17
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        Quote: Hypersound
        Best-in-Class Weapons

        Certainly ... but few thought about the fact that the Iskander complex was already adopted by the letter M. That is, Iskander-M. Prior to the final version, two more Iskander variants were developed.
    2. merkava-2bet
      merkava-2bet 20 December 2018 06: 13
      +1
      In terms of the Iskander complex, there is no official and accurate information with its performance characteristics, there are only guesses and statements by some officials with stripes. For example, I still don’t know how Iskander differs from Iskander-M, Iskander-K is understandable, it includes a cruise missile and everything. The article says that there are seven modifications of missiles, and, whatever they are, a word can be written and 25 types of missiles, the paper will endure everything.
      1. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 20 December 2018 06: 37
        +1
        Quote: merkava-2bet
        For the Iskander complex, there is generally no official and accurate information from its performance characteristics, there are only speculations and statements by some officials with stripes.

        "Bastion Karpenko" or "MilitaryRussia", in my opinion it is quite accessible described.
        Quote: merkava-2bet
        The article says that there are seven modifications of missiles, and, whatever they are, a word can be written and 25 types of missiles, the paper will endure everything.

        Type of missiles in the composition of warheads, cluster, high explosive, penetrating, special warheads, type of guidance ... Hence the quantity.
      2. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 20 December 2018 13: 04
        +5
        And why do you need to know this?
      3. Butchcassidy
        Butchcassidy 21 December 2018 12: 05
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        Quote: merkava-2bet
        In terms of the Iskander complex, there is no official and accurate information with its performance characteristics, there are only guesses and statements by some officials with stripes. For example, I still don’t know how Iskander differs from Iskander-M, Iskander-K is understandable, it includes a cruise missile and everything. The article says that there are seven modifications of missiles, and, whatever they are, a word can be written and 25 types of missiles, the paper will endure everything.

        The Russian school of weapons development traditionally underestimates the characteristics of its products, in contrast, for example, from the American, which traditionally overestimates these characteristics.

        In any case - a modern technique, created on the basis of the achievements destroyed by the good idiotic will of Gorbachev. Better fooling around nemae, who are ready to disarm independently and of their own free will, this is why they flock in the west.
  3. tlauicol
    tlauicol 20 December 2018 06: 06
    +3
    Why is Iskander a cruise missile? If it is up to 500km, then the point is ballistic? If exceeds, then this is a violation of the Agreement, which is not at hand for us
    1. merkava-2bet
      merkava-2bet 20 December 2018 06: 26
      +2
      I also have an opinion, why does he need cruise missiles with a range of less than 500 km?
      1. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 20 December 2018 06: 41
        +10
        Quote: merkava-2bet
        why does he need cruise missiles with a range of less than 500 km?

        In order to be able to quickly do it with a range of 2000-2500 if someone starts to fool around with the exit from the INF Treaty.
        The point of all American accusations is that if Russia tested at a range of up to 500 KM, then CAN make more than 500 allegedly in violation of the INF Treaty. However, the assumptions can not be attached to the case, do you feel the difference?
        1. CTABEP
          CTABEP 22 December 2018 17: 57
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          Yeah, so you can say that "Pershing" has a range of 500 km, test it on it and put a couple of regiments somewhere in Latvia. In general, the main purpose of the INF Treaty was to increase the reaction time in the event of information (false or real) about a missile attack, so as not to incinerate the planet in a nuclear apocalypse by mistake. Refusal from it in the first place threatens not a planned nuclear war with NATO (which will not happen, because in any case, the losses will be too great, why?), But an increase in the risk of an accidental strike. Feil is in the early warning system (which we have already experienced), it takes 40 minutes to make a decision, not 10 minutes, the human factor ...
      2. cyborg
        cyborg 20 December 2018 15: 27
        +1
        to fly at low altitude ..
      3. Butchcassidy
        Butchcassidy 21 December 2018 12: 07
        +1
        Quote: merkava-2bet
        I also have an opinion, why does he need cruise missiles with a range of less than 500 km?

        I think that they are cheaper and can fly along an almost flat trajectory and taking into account the terrain. For different purposes, different missiles, in my opinion it is logical.
    2. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 20 December 2018 06: 40
      0
      Quote: Tlauicol
      Why is Iskander a cruise missile? If it is up to 500km, then the point is ballistic? If exceeds, then this is a violation of the Agreement, which is not at hand for us

      No matter how offensive it may sound to fans of "non-mixenashiiskanders", a cruise missile has a slightly higher chance of hitting a target than a ballistic / quasi ballistic one.
      1. Hypersound
        Hypersound 20 December 2018 10: 01
        +2
        And not vice versa?)
        1. Hole puncher
          Hole puncher 20 December 2018 11: 07
          -3
          Quote: Hypersound
          And not vice versa?)

          No. A rocket flying at an altitude of 50 km. even the old S300V is able to detect and intercept, at the terminal site Iskander is not much different from Lance.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 20 December 2018 16: 28
            +4
            Only if the missile does not maneuver like the Lance, if it does not use false targets and other means of overcoming missile defense, like the Lance.
            Yes, and the S-300 still needs to be found, otherwise shooting with missiles flying along strictly ballistic trajectories somehow did not go ....
  4. Hypersound
    Hypersound 20 December 2018 06: 07
    -2
    Very tasty complex, one of my favorite weapon systems. If only a hypersonic quasi-ballistic missile would fly not at 500 km, but at 2-3 km :)
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 20 December 2018 10: 22
      +3
      If only a hypersonic quasi-ballistic missile would fly not on 500, but on 2-3 km

      This is a weapon of army level, for use in the area of ​​the army. At long distances, there is no one to give her target designation, so increasing the range is pointless.
      1. Hypersound
        Hypersound 20 December 2018 13: 03
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        Quote: glory1974
        At long distances, there is no one to give her target designation, so increasing the range is pointless

        And how do Calibers fly "without target designation"? Obviously, it can be given by satellite
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 21 December 2018 09: 07
          +1
          Obviously, it can be given by satellite

          You can give target designation. But this is no longer an army level, but higher. The army is quite enough for 500 km. If we withdraw from the treaty, there will be more long-range missiles, but they will already act on the "instructions" of the top headquarters.
          1. Hypersound
            Hypersound 21 December 2018 11: 26
            -1
            Quote: glory1974
            If we exit the contract

            Not "if", but "when" :)
      2. Senior manager
        Senior manager 6 March 2019 10: 06
        0
        Quote: glory1974
        At long distances, there is no one to give her target designation, so increasing the range is pointless.

        There are digital maps, stationary targets will not run away, target designations, as such, are not required, taxiing according to Glonass, and optics. I think there is no problem.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 7 March 2019 08: 56
          0
          There are digital maps, stationary targets will not run away, target designations, as such, are not required, taxiing according to Glonass, and optics.

          All this is, but this is not one of the goals of the army. Army means destroy targets in the combat zone of the army.
          This is if the platoon commander subordinates the "Caliber" complex. Where will the platoon commander shoot from it? Destroy targets 2 km away when he is fighting an enemy at a distance of 000-500 meters? Sheer nonsense. It is the same with Iskander.
          1. Senior manager
            Senior manager 7 March 2019 15: 59
            +1
            Quote: glory1974
            Where will the platoon shoot from it?

            The platoon Iskander does not. Believe me, there will be a complex to shoot up to Gibraltar - there will be someone to give the command, the General Staff has not been canceled.
            1. Glory1974
              Glory1974 11 March 2019 08: 29
              0
              Believe me, the complex will shoot to Gibraltar - there is someone to give the command to, the General Staff has not been canceled

              Well, finally, we have come to an understanding. Forces and means subordinate to the General Staff, including intelligence, and missile units will certainly operate. But not the army units. They have their own tasks.
    2. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 20 December 2018 12: 15
      -2
      -Very delicious complex, o-

      If the ammunition system is not broken and stable, there is a current and operational supply of missiles and reloading complexes. If there is a guaranteed air defense of deployment routes, launch positions, RTBs. And most importantly, reconnaissance, and reconnaissance again. the absence of heavy UAVs and air reconnaissance units.
      1. bk316
        bk316 20 December 2018 18: 32
        +6
        If the ammunition system is not broken and the operation is stable, there is a current and operational supply of missiles and reloading complexes.

        Do not worry for us, they are still in the series, so there is no question with a margin, they are still doing them and will do HOW TO SAUSAGES.
        If there is a guaranteed air defense deployment routes, starting positions,

        And what about the problems with the army air defense? Well then, the enemy has mega-problems.
        providing these ambush complexes

        Do not disgrace, read what they did the expander.
        The first five priorities of STATIONARY OBJECTIVES do not need to be scouted. Bridges do not creep, airfields do not fly, missile defense radars do not jump, military bases do not travel. wassat
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  7. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 20 December 2018 07: 18
    +1
    Why Iskander Is Dangerous?

    I would paraphrase, "Why does everyone think that Iskander is so dangerous and how many myths are connected with it."
    The first for the Iskander OTRK was the 9M723 type earth-to-ground ballistic missile. This is a single-stage solid-fuel rocket with an inseparable warhead, which has a guidance system based on inertial and satellite navigation.

    What kind of nonsense about satellite navigation? On the 9M723 autonomous, inertial GOS, no satellite switches It consists of a command-gyroscopic device, it is a gyrostabilized platform (GSP) with angular velocity and acceleration sensors, and lateral speed sensors, and also zero speed indicators are used for initial leveling of the GSP. For accuracy, a preliminary topographic location is important in which GLONASS data may have been used, but in the first versions it is unlikely.
  8. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 20 December 2018 07: 27
    -2
    First of all, you must consider that the product 9M723 is the so-called. quasi-ballistic missile. During the flight, it is capable of not only moving along a given ballistic trajectory, but also maneuvering. Onboard control systems allow you to perform some maneuvers on all sections of the trajectory, from the moment of launch to the fall on the target.

    Before writing such crap, the author should at least have studied the rocket itself. At the initial stage of the flight, it is possible to change the trajectory with the help of gas-dynamic rudders, but after running out of fuel (no more than 20 seconds after the start, perhaps a little more), the gas-dynamic rudders become useless. Changing the trajectory is useful for hiding the launch location because the enemy will not be able to calculate as in the case of a classic ballistic missile. Accordingly, the likelihood of a retaliatory strike is reduced significantly. Aerodynamic rudders are ineffective above 10 km. and, accordingly, are used only at the terminal site. Those. "to carry out some maneuvers in all parts of the trajectory" is possible only at the minimum range.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 20 December 2018 12: 16
      -5
      Absolutely.
    2. D16
      D16 20 December 2018 21: 52
      +1
      Interestingly, how do non-ATS aircraft fly above 10 km? belay At an altitude of 50 km, the air density is about 1000 times lower than that of the earth at sea level, but it is there. The only question is the speed of the incoming flow to maintain the effectiveness of the aerodynamic rudders. The speed of Escander is still awesome, and there is no need to twist dead loops. Small enough deviations from the trajectory. Air defense missiles at such heights feel shitty. They don’t need much. wink
  9. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 20 December 2018 07: 45
    +3
    Maneuvers with significant overloads on the active site make the missile trajectory unpredictable, which makes it difficult to intercept it with modern air defense and missile defense systems.

    Interception of missiles is carried out at the terminal stage of missile flight, when maneuvering is impossible due to the generation of solid fuel. Therefore, the statement is false.
    at this stage, the rocket rises to a height of about 50 km and goes beyond the area of ​​responsibility of air defense systems.

    The THAAD system intercepts within 150 km. in height.
    a quasi-ballistic missile is capable of falling almost vertically at a speed of more than 2 km / s, while simultaneously performing maneuvers with overloads of over 20 units. High speed, maneuvering and the correct combat course sharply reduce the likelihood of successful detection, tracking and intercepting missiles with modern air defense and missile defense systems designed to combat "ordinary" ballistic targets.

    The author likes the word "quasi-ballistic" so much ... The fact that the trajectory has nothing to do with interception of the author does not bother. The declared speed of 2 km / s is the maximum speed that drops after the solid propellant engine stops working. Moreover, the maximum speed without the use of intensive maneuvering, because when maneuvering, part of the energy is spent on making the maneuver. How does the rocket behave with the engine off, descending from a height of 50 km.? Yes, like all objects falling from such a height, aerodynamic surfaces will do nothing, because their area is small and cannot influence the "quasi-ballistic" trajectory.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 20 December 2018 12: 16
      -1
      Absolutely.
    2. Aibolit
      Aibolit 20 December 2018 16: 12
      +6
      Quote: Puncher
      The THAAD system intercepts within 150 km. in height.

      No
      1. This is a flight ceiling
      THAAD interceptor should be launched while the target is still at an altitude of 60 to 70 km and above (to
      150 (200 km) where interception can occur.
      This is an ATMOSPHERIC INTERCEPTOR.


      THAAD, formerly Theater High altitude Area defense
      2.THAAD is not on every corner
      3. The Patriot PAK-3 will intercept, but heights from 30 (40) to 70 (80) cannot be intercepted by modern (Kill-to-Kill even more) air defense systems
      Quote: Puncher
      The author likes the word "quasi-ballistic" so much.

      Like, but he (the author) does not understand. I agree.
      For a ballistic trajectory, everything is "simple":

      using the Fort software (Almaz-Antey), for example, for the same BR mass, the length of the elliptical section and the angle at the end of the active section are decisive, and the trajectory and incidence point can be calculated quite easily.
      If, however, the goal, after the end of the active section, changes the elliptical section of its flight, the problem ...
      Quote: Puncher
      Yes, like all objects falling from such a height, aerodynamic surfaces will not help

      it is possible to change the position of the CM relative to the longitudinal axis (along) or (and) radially from it

      This is enough for a "quasi"
      Quote: Puncher
      Interception of missiles is carried out at the terminal stage of missile flight

      Well, it’s definitely not THAAD (it takes up to 12 seconds to accelerate it), and IT IS DIFFICULT, very: angle of incidence (coverage area AN / TPY-2 (GBR)) ...
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 20 December 2018 17: 22
        +1
        "If, however, the target, after the end of the active section, changes the elliptical section of its flight, this is a problem." ////
        ----
        Active section - 30 seconds. There is no further fuel. Using gas rudders and, especially for their operation, a small supply of other fuel, you can make a maneuver at the beginning and a maneuver at the end - before entering the atmosphere.
        But the main section on a high section of the trajectory is strictly ballistic. He cuts the radar and calculates the comp. There, an attempt is made to transatmospheric interception at an oncoming intersecting course.
        1. D16
          D16 20 December 2018 22: 05
          0
          To enter the atmosphere, you must first leave it laughing 50km is far from space and the effectiveness of the rudders is determined by the speed of the incoming flow.
      2. bk316
        bk316 20 December 2018 18: 36
        +3
        Bravo Aibolit, one misfortune of Muradam is like a pea wall ....
      3. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 20 December 2018 19: 34
        -1
        Quote: Aibolit
        This is an ATMOSPHERIC INTERCEPTOR

        I agree, exaggerated the capabilities of THAAD.
        Quote: Aibolit
        The Patriot PAK-3 will intercept, but heights from 30 (40) to 70 (80) cannot be intercepted by modern (Kill-to-Kill even more) air defense systems

        Why's that? MIM104F is driven by micro solid propellant rocket motors.
        Quote: Aibolit
        can change the position of the CM

        In the 9M723 scheme, there is no mention of controlling the displacement of the center of mass.
        1. Aibolit
          Aibolit 20 December 2018 19: 59
          0
          Quote: Puncher
          I agree, exaggerated the capabilities of THAAD.

          In fact, there is no air defense / missile defense system to intercept at this level, no one.
          It's just that there is nothing that "flies" valuable
          Quote: Puncher
          Why's that? MIM104F is driven by micro solid propellant rocket motors.

          so what?
          Altitude of fire 0,06-20 km
          Micro RTTT (ACM) for hit-to-kill (partially, HE-FRAG)
          Attitude Control Motors, or ACMs) which serve to fine align the missile trajectory with its target to achieve hit-to-kill capability.

          Extended Range Interceptor (ERINT) 4 pieces in a pencil case. They are shorties


          Quote: Puncher
          In the 9M723 scheme, there is no mention of controlling the displacement of the center of mass.

          1. Well, we don’t know a lot of things, and we don’t need it (9M723-it doesn’t shoot at mobile targets).
          2. I generally wrote about the X-47M2. Here we don’t know anything at all. Rumor has it he detachable warhead (to reduce the EPR and increase the range)
          That such an implementation would be reasonable:
          -Do not lose the working fluid (fuel)
          -Do not lose Ek on aerodynamic drag of aerodynamic surfaces
          -fine "adjustment" of the point of impact
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 21 December 2018 00: 06
            0
            "In fact, there is no air defense / missile defense system to intercept at such an echelon, no one has." ////
            ------
            Israel made David's Sling just for the Tochka missiles. Iskander belongs to him.
            While there was a volley of two starts (and miss) on the Syrian Point. But that Point flew through Syrian territory. Apparently, I just could not wait to check the system in combat conditions. smile
            1. Aibolit
              Aibolit 21 December 2018 01: 02
              +1
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Israel made David's Sling just for the Tochka missiles. Iskander belongs to him

              Yes. BUT! Stunner intercepts at low altitude (relatively of course) and long range.
              I have no data, but judging by the interceptor

              It is 15 -20 km. There can be no question of any heights of 50-60 km.
              If the X-47M2 has a detachable BB, then when launched in an air platform, the approach to the target will be almost vertical. Elta EL / M-2084 simply will not take the target, at the final stage.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 21 December 2018 11: 32
                0
                In this case, judging by the appearance of the interceptor is deceptive. The rocket is very light, it has almost no metal. And, I believe, it can rise to a higher height than you suggested. Although there is no exact height data.
                1. Aibolit
                  Aibolit 21 December 2018 12: 57
                  +2
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  And, I suppose, it can rise to a higher height than you suggested

                  no need to "assume", just look at the manufacturer's and Lockheed's data, everything is there
                  The Stunner missile is designed to intercept the newest generation of tactical ballistic missiles at low altitude,

                  היעוד העיקרי של מערכת "קלע דוד" הוא לתת מענה לטילים שבידי חזבאללה ובעתיד גם לטילים גדולים יותר שבהם מצטייד חמאס. על פי הערכות מודיעיניות, בידי חזבאללה עשרות אלפי רקטות שחלקן יכולות להגיע עד לגוש דן. [4] במהלך מלחמת לבנון השנייה
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 21 December 2018 13: 20
                    +1
                    Thanks for the corrections. It was interesting to read your professional comments. good
            2. Butchcassidy
              Butchcassidy 21 December 2018 12: 21
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Israel made David's Sling just for the Tochka missiles. Iskander belongs to him.
              While there was a volley of two starts (and miss) on the Syrian Point. But that Point flew through Syrian territory. Apparently, I just could not wait to check the system in combat conditions.

              So far, even theoretically, Iskander and Prashche David have nowhere to meet. So we’ll soon find out about their effectiveness against each other.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 21 December 2018 12: 50
                +1
                It's right. The strength of the Iskander BR is in speed. Only three minutes the whole flight. Missile defense has almost no time for reaction.
                1. Butchcassidy
                  Butchcassidy 24 December 2018 10: 48
                  0
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  It's right. The strength of the Iskander BR is in speed. Only three minutes the whole flight. Missile defense has almost no time for reaction.


                  Yes you are right. By the way, the probability of using these offensive means is still minimal, just prehistoric dinosaurs of the R-17 type are actually used. But even with respect to them there is no 100% guarantee that when it is necessary to bring down, they will be knocked down.

                  Therefore, any estimates of the effectiveness of missile defense systems are still very theoretical.
                2. Butchcassidy
                  Butchcassidy 26 December 2018 15: 05
                  0
                  In pursuit of our discussion:

                  https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5954825 ТАСС со ссылкой на пресс-службу Кремля сообщает:
                  During the flight at hypersonic speed, the gliding winged unit made vertical and horizontal controlled maneuvers and, at the appointed time, hit a conventional target on the combat field of the training ground. "

                  In principle, I wrote this way: the question of maneuvering the warheads of ballistic missiles (in this case, air-based) is a technical task that must be solved.
                  It was decided in Moscow; in Washington it was recognized as unsolvable.
        2. Butchcassidy
          Butchcassidy 21 December 2018 12: 13
          0
          Quote: Puncher
          In the 9M723 scheme, there is no mention of controlling the displacement of the center of mass.

          It would be strange if we discussed the real characteristics of the rocket on Topvar))
  10. 501Legion
    501Legion 20 December 2018 08: 51
    +2
    For some reason I’m sure that the range of cruise missiles in him is much more than declared.
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 20 December 2018 09: 27
      +2
      Quote: 501Legion
      For some reason I’m sure that the range of cruise missiles in him is much more than declared.

      this does not threaten the States, but gives them a reason to place their missiles close to us, even in the minute of flight.
    2. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 20 December 2018 11: 08
      +3
      Quote: 501Legion
      For some reason I’m sure that the range of cruise missiles in him is much more than declared.

      The Pentagon agrees with you ...
  11. Professor
    Professor 20 December 2018 09: 00
    +1
    Why is the Iskander dangerous?

    Just because:
    There is also a special warhead in the form of a monoblock with the capacity of 50 ct.

    In the conventional version of 1 / 2, tons of explosives do not do weather. One F-16 carries an order of magnitude more.
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 20 December 2018 09: 28
      -2
      Quote: Professor
      One F-16 carries an order of magnitude more.

      In the absence of aviation with accurate ammunition, Iskander is a decent ersatz.
      1. Professor
        Professor 20 December 2018 09: 56
        +4
        Quote: Puncher
        Quote: Professor
        One F-16 carries an order of magnitude more.

        In the absence of aviation with accurate ammunition, Iskander is a decent ersatz.

        In the absence of aviation, Iskander has no worthy goals. Not a cannon on sparrows?
        1. Hole puncher
          Hole puncher 20 December 2018 11: 13
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          In the absence of aviation, Iskander has no worthy goals. Not a cannon on sparrows?

          To detect worthy targets, aviation with accurate ammunition is not required, Su-24MR, unmanned or ground reconnaissance data are enough. Capisce?
          1. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 20 December 2018 12: 19
            -3
            - Su-24MR enough, unmanned or ground reconnaissance data -

            A minimum of a Su-24MR combat-ready squadron is required. What is the extraordinary position of the Commander of the DCBF or KSF. Heavy UAVs are not available in the RF Armed Forces.

            ground reconnaissance data

            One part of the complex is to ensure a reliable flow of intelligence.
      2. Hypersound
        Hypersound 20 December 2018 10: 04
        +2
        And we do not have aviation with accurate ammunition?)
        1. Hole puncher
          Hole puncher 20 December 2018 11: 15
          -2
          Quote: Hypersound
          And we do not have aviation with accurate ammunition?)

          At the time of its creation, it was practically nonexistent now.
  12. maxmed
    maxmed 20 December 2018 09: 30
    +1
    it is interesting to hear examples "Iskanders turn out to be an effective military-political instrument capable of influencing the situation by their very presence"
    they decided to make us laugh - telling an old joke fellow
  13. navodchik
    navodchik 20 December 2018 09: 47
    0
    Worthy grandson of "Elbrus". The author did not indicate several threats to the use of this type of weapon. From my experience of service on 9P117, I can say that this
    1. Subversive units of the enemy. They can act both at the location of the unit during the threatened period, and on the route of movement and at the launch waiting point. They are neutralized by camouflage in all forms (radio, infrared, optical), as well as competently organized security. In the Soviet army, for protection purposes, a conventional motorized rifle platoon was used with one starting battery. Now it would be logical to use special staff units similar to those found in the Strategic Missile Forces.
    2. Resuscible Pershing2 and clones based on them. Dangerous fast reaction times. After the launch, the standard for abandonment of OP in 1989, in the Carpathian VO, was 3 minutes, because after 5 minutes there was a threat of being hit by an SD missile.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 20 December 2018 12: 22
      -4
      -According to the experience of the service on 9P117 I can say that it is-

      Enemy assault and army aircraft.

      -In the Soviet army, for protection purposes, a conventional motorized rifle platoon was used on one starting battery-

      Ideally, those units are sent to serve those who are not fit for service in other units.

      -Now it would be logical to use special staff units similar to those in the Strategic Missile Forces .-

      They are not enough for the protection and defense of the Strategic Missile Forces objects.
      1. navodchik
        navodchik 20 December 2018 20: 54
        +1
        Gunya is not only there https://bmpd.livejournal.com/ but also here. Welcome.
        - Aviation has an insufficient reaction rate and requires guidance from the ground or from the air.
        - not all excellent students serve in the Navy, someone was lucky in the infantry.
        - The experience of the Strategic Missile Forces is useful primarily in the fact that the rocketers are doing their job, and providing their own. Starters do not spend sleepless nights on guard.
  14. Glory1974
    Glory1974 20 December 2018 10: 28
    +3
    Iskander is a good weapon, but not a panacea. Using his rockets is very difficult. This is evidenced by the experience in the Donbass and in Chechnya. In any case, 500 kg of TNT will not cause any special damage.
    Tochka was used in Chechnya. They used a high-explosive warhead, missed by 20 meters, the missile went into the gorge, without causing harm to the enemy, who was on the mountain plateau.
    They used a cassette warhead, a gang of militants that walked in the woods was also not particularly affected.
    The only successful launch was in Shaly, when the militants captured seo, blocked the commandant’s office and gathered in a central square for a rally. Then it flew well, a couple of hundred people covered.
    1. maxmed
      maxmed 20 December 2018 10: 38
      -1
      even without civilian casualties?
      1. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 20 December 2018 11: 19
        +5
        Quote: maxmed
        even without civilian casualties?

        If this calms you, then of course without.
        Why do you need truth?
  15. Name Surname
    Name Surname 20 December 2018 10: 55
    0
    An article that a schoolboy who found out about Iskander yesterday wrote?
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  16. gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 20 December 2018 12: 24
    -2
    -A mobile system with a firing range of up to 500 km and the possibility of breaking through modern defense is naturally a convenient military and political tool-

    Only with massive use.
  17. Korax71
    Korax71 20 December 2018 12: 55
    0
    And someone can explain not much to the following! This revelation has shown its effectiveness in Syria, i.e. in the absence of any opposition? recourse and how these fires differ from polynon ones, except for the presence of "soft" targets ???
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 20 December 2018 13: 34
      -1
      Quote: Korax71
      This revelation has shown its effectiveness in Syria, i.e. in the absence of any opposition

      Fortunately, slippers are not capable of opposing such systems. They can simply change their location and the blow will be in the void. To use OTR against partisans is, to put it mildly, impractical and statements about the effective use of Iskander in Syria cannot be verified. The destroyed barn may have been once a "headquarters", but given the fact that slippers are constantly moving on their carts, the probability of destruction of such a "headquarters" is low.
    2. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 20 December 2018 14: 46
      -2
      -efficiency in Syria, -

      Not at all. They did not achieve a radical fracture with the use of these ammunition. As in the DRA, in 1988.
  18. Old26
    Old26 20 December 2018 14: 34
    +8
    Quote: merkava-2bet
    For the Iskander complex, there is generally no official and accurate information from its performance characteristics, there are only speculations and statements by some officials with stripes.

    This concerns almost all the existing missile systems in the world. Each of the parties nevertheless tries to give, if not true TTX, then at least believable. For almost everything can be calculated.
    An example from the life of such an institution as MIT is typical. Before the deployment of American missiles in Europe, MIT received an "order" from our political leadership to prove that the American Pershing-2 was capable of covering Moscow from the FRG.
    Using open parameters, MIT conducted research work and proved that with the type of warheads that were on the Pershing, the maximum range of this complex would have been 1700 +/- 200 km. This did not "suit" the Politburo, since then the complex could not reach Moscow and it would have been impossible to get political deviants from this.
    Why am I doing this. Almost everything is calculated (especially if you know how). You can even calculate roughly without the availability of computing power, using only a calculator. Therefore, let's say, IMHO the parameters are close to real

    Quote: merkava-2bet
    For example, I still don’t know how Iskander differs from Iskander-M, Iskander-K is understandable, it includes a cruise missile and that’s all ..

    Well, that you don’t know is okay. We cannot know everything. But I will answer you this question.
    Initially, the Iskander complex meant a complex with a 9M723 ballistic missile and a 9P76 launcher, the development of which began immediately after the conclusion of an INF treaty with the United States. The complex had at that time the 9K715 index and the 9P76 launcher had one missile. This installation was used to test the entire complex. The results were positive, but as they say - "the appetite comes with eating." It was decided to develop a new Iskander-M modular complex based on the 9K715 Iskander complex, which could carry both ballistic and cruise missiles.

    It was this complex that received the index 9K720 and its name "Iskander-M". He already had an SPU with two 9P78 missiles. Sometimes you can read the slang name of this complex - "Alexander the two-headed". The rocket was the same as on the 9K715 complex and had the 9M723 index. The launcher was unable to use 9M728 cruise missiles from it.

    The Iskander-K complex essentially does not exist. This is the "invention" of our journalists, which stuck. In fact, the complex capable of using both ballistic and cruise missiles bears the same name - "Iskander-M" The only difference is in the launcher. It has an index 9P78-1

    Quote: merkava-2bet
    The article says that there are seven modifications of missiles, and, whatever they are, a word can be written and 25 types of missiles, the paper will endure everything.

    Mentioning 7 missile modifications is not entirely correct. Unlike other missile systems, this index consists of two parts. From the missile part, which has the index 9M723 and the warhead, which has, for example, the index 9N722K1. The correct spelling of the rocket would sound like this: 9M723K1 rocket. Here are the various warheads and gave the "seven modifications" of the missiles of this complex. In fact, there were 2 modifications. This is a rocket (I will continue to write without the warhead index, so as not to confuse) 9M723 and 9M723-1 rocket. The latter differs from the 9M723 in a different type of fuel, an improved engine, a more massive warhead and heavier than the previous modification.
    And if you count the military equipment, it is quite possible that in reality there will be 7 modifications. For example, 9M723-1K1, 9M723-K5, 9M723-1F. Well, etc.

    Quote: Tlauicol
    Why is Iskander a cruise missile? If it is up to 500km, then the point is ballistic? If exceeds, then this is a violation of the Agreement, which is not at hand for us

    It is not always necessary that the enemy fix your missile in flight.

    Quote: g1washntwn
    In order to be able to quickly do it with a range of 2000-2500 if someone starts to fool around with the exit from the INF Treaty.

    You won’t do it fast. In addition, such a missile will be longer, and the size of the SPU will be larger. Plus it will need to be tested in a full cycle

    Quote: Hypersound
    Very tasty complex, one of my favorite weapon systems. If only a hypersonic quasi-ballistic missile would fly not at 500 km, but at 2-3 km :)

    In order for it to fly away further, it is only necessary that it fly along an energetically favorable, "purely" ballistic trajectory. But at the same time, its apogee will become much higher, more than 100 km of the enemy will have more time to intercept ...

    Quote: glory1974
    This is a weapon of army level, for use in the area of ​​the army. At long distances, there is no one to give her target designation, so increasing the range is pointless.

    The meaning is always there. In this case, it will be the "long arm". But as for target designation, the correlation homing head will work only at the final stage, providing a better CEP than with a conventional guidance system (inertial). The complex, in principle, is designed to defeat stationary targets ... Although it does not exclude the defeat of moving targets

    Quote: 501Legion
    For some reason I’m sure that the range of cruise missiles in him is much more than declared.

    It is thanks to "such confidence", especially replicated in the media, that the Americans accuse us of violating the INF Treaty ....
    1. merkava-2bet
      merkava-2bet 20 December 2018 16: 51
      0
      Thank you for the excellent answer. When I said that I did not know what the differences were between Iskander and Iskander-M, I greatly exaggerated, I meant their more or less accurate performance characteristics, for example, as the range jumped from 280 km to 400 (480) with almost equal mass products, the matter in the new solid propellant rocket motor is possible, but there is an almost twofold increase in range. If the new solid rocket motor was used on Iskander-M with a detachable warhead like that of OTRK Oka, Oka-U, and a reduced mass of the head unit, then I have no complaints It would be, and so only speculation.
      1. Speedy
        Speedy 20 December 2018 17: 48
        0
        280 km, in my opinion, is drawn from an export modification. It seems that the originally declared was 480 km. 280 I think it’s not worth explaining why on the export one.
    2. Grits
      Grits 20 December 2018 19: 31
      +1
      Wow, what knowledge. It is immediately evident - the person is "in the subject".
  19. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 20 December 2018 16: 07
    0
    I read that for its long missile (BR) has too large a diameter .... and it touched for a longer and farther ammunition.
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 20 December 2018 19: 05
      +2
      Quote: Zaurbek
      this is a reserve for a longer and farther munition.

      You at least look at the photo of the PU from above, a longer missile just does not fit.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 21 December 2018 00: 11
        0
        + or - one axis ...
  20. Alexander X
    Alexander X 20 December 2018 16: 22
    -1
    And I liked the article. For the layman, it is very informative and the material is generalized and systematized.
  21. Alexander not great
    Alexander not great 21 December 2018 00: 44
    0
    it seems to me that it is dangerous with the nuclear warhead, the rest can be survived .....
  22. Hypersound
    Hypersound 21 December 2018 20: 49
    -2
    I love Scander in early May!
    How dolbanet - and there is no barn!
  23. Hypersound
    Hypersound 21 December 2018 20: 51
    -1
    And why not additionally equip the rocket with a stealth? Then do you get the figs? Or is a ceramic rocket at such a speed and with such overloads simply falling apart?
  24. Old26
    Old26 22 December 2018 19: 15
    +1
    Quote: Hypersound
    And why not additionally equip the rocket with a stealth? Then do you get the figs? Or is a ceramic rocket at such a speed and with such overloads simply falling apart?

    What for? "Iskander" is already structurally perfect, there are no protruding parts, plus the TPP can act as a reduction in EPR. What will happen at the new complex - we'll see in a year or two

    Quote: merkava-2bet
    Thank you for the excellent answer. When I said that I did not know what the differences were between Iskander and Iskander-M, I greatly exaggerated, I meant their more or less accurate performance characteristics, for example, as the range jumped from 280 km to 400 (480) with almost equal mass products, the matter in the new solid propellant rocket motor is possible, but there is an almost twofold increase in range. If the new solid rocket motor was used on Iskander-M with a detachable warhead like that of OTRK Oka, Oka-U, and a reduced mass of the head unit, then I have no complaints It would be, and so only speculation.

    Well, the mass of products is by no means equal. The first Iskander, on the basis of which the Iskander-E was created, was almost 800 kg lighter than the current Iskander-M. Taking into account that the mass of the warhead was limited in accordance with the provisions of the MTCR, it turns out that the Iskander-M has almost half a ton more fuel than the Iskander. This could have been done technically. Fewer solid fuel filled. So it turns out that given the fact that there was more fuel, and the "head" heavier, the range when firing along the same trajectory increased by 70 percent.
    Perhaps it would be more beneficial if the MS was really separable. This would make it possible to obtain a higher velocity at the final stage than in a situation where not only warheads, but the entire rocket fall from above
  25. Alex-333
    Alex-333 31 January 2019 02: 21
    0
    It seems to me (crossed himself) that the game is going on with "marked cubes" That is, the information thrown in from both sides of the "front" and people are actively reposting, trying to compose from not quite real information, adequate (as it seems to them) reality. The result is a character from the cartoon "Strange Beast". I am in the same position, for I am not a rocket officer.
    Well, this is how I see the article itself and its discussion. belay