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Solzhenitsyn - a patriot or a traitor?

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Disputes over the personality of Alexander Solzhenitsyn and his role in Russia and for Russia continue. Solzhenitsyn - a national patriot and a statesman, or Solzhenitsyn - a traitor and a man-in-arms, for whom were the people’s interests a tool for self-promotion?


Channel Day TV, to which famous author Oleg Matveychev was invited, presented his book The Solzhenitsyn's Vatnik, published on the writer's 100 anniversary. Oleg Matveychev:
We imagined how much hysteria would be in our media about “dear our native torch of patriotism and all Russian people, Russian literature and literature, that they decided to add another substance to this barrel of honey.


Oleg Matveychev notes that the book was published with the goal of giving people the opportunity to think about those who are praised, and what kind of person they are - Alexander Solzhenitsyn.

The book contains excerpts from publications of Solzhenitsyn, including his fairly well-known statements from the “labor” “How to equip Russia”. It must be recalled here that Solzhenitsyn removed the question mark in this sentence, in effect making it clear that this is not a question at all, but a kind of directive to action.

So, an excerpt is given when Solzhenitsyn reports that the individual Soviet republics of the Baltic, Transcaucasia, Central Asia "will certainly be irrevocably separated," adding that if there is popular will in Ukraine and Belarus, then "and with God."

Oleg Matveychev notes an important detail regarding the fact that Solzhenitsyn actually saved himself from death at the front. This author calls Solzhenitsyn's “moral self-rifleman”, when he wrote to even completely unfamiliar people or, in oral conversations, reported on his critical thoughts about Stalin.



In the same topic, we also present another TV Day video, dedicated to Solzhenitsyn’s subject matter and to what the installation of monuments in Russia can lead to, people’s attitudes to which can hardly be called definitive. First of all, we are talking about the opening of a monument to Solzhenitsyn in Moscow. The movie is called "Monuments to traitors - the path to surrender!"

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  1. Destiny
    Destiny 16 December 2018 12: 28
    +40
    Traitor. My opinion.
    1. Machito
      Machito 16 December 2018 12: 32
      +32
      Solzhenitsyn is definitely a traitor.
      And the surname is some kind of lying with him and creativity.
      He earned money in America: Pascvili riveted homeland.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 16 December 2018 12: 43
        +31
        Make a conclusion yourself, see who admired him and who opened the monument to him (however, like Yeltsin, whom the Russian people also revere ... lol )
        1. A good one
          A good one 16 December 2018 12: 53
          +14
          A multi-ton bomb in the earth is an echo of war, which must be removed and taken out to the landfill for elimination.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 16 December 2018 14: 15
            +15
            Solzhenitsyn - a patriot or a traitor?

            And this is looking for someone! It so happened that our modern society is divided by views, and by economic strata. For the USSR, Solzhenitsyn was unequivocal traitor and dissident. But for the current oligarchic Kremlin (and Putin), Solzhenitsyn, like many traitors, became a hero. Still would! Then they act in a single harness.

            Russophobe Solzhenitsyn noted that he tried best to mud his Soviet homeland. And therefore, the grateful West even noted this scribbler with his highest award - the Nobel Prize.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 17 December 2018 12: 20
              +3
              And we are surprised that in Ukraine Bandera and Shukhevych are heroes.
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 17 December 2018 22: 53
                +1
                Bandera and Solzhenitsyn - one field of the berry.
                Both the one and the other "fought against Stalinism" at the same time. One gathered active supporters of the struggle, the other - agitated potential traitors in the army.
                Monuments they need to do paired, hugging.
                1. Talgat
                  Talgat 18 December 2018 16: 00
                  0
                  I admit I read it. Disgusting! Enemy. Servant of the West and overseas masters. Russophobe. He also sowed ethnic hatred. He tried to quarrel Russians with other peoples of the great steppe. Tried to drive a wedge between Kazakhs and Russians. On the instructions of their owners.
            2. Oleg133
              Oleg133 19 December 2018 04: 23
              0
              Russophobe Solzhenitsyn

              Well, Putin agrees Russophobe, and in what place Solzhenitsyn Russophobe? Soveto (Bolshevik) fob - this is visible
        2. mag nit
          mag nit 16 December 2018 13: 53
          +9
          Traitor from grateful traitors.
        3. arhPavel
          arhPavel 16 December 2018 14: 22
          0
          All the same, this position is closer to me.

      2. Egorovich
        Egorovich 16 December 2018 12: 53
        +27
        Pure water traitor and traitor to the motherland. Definitely. Traitors and those who set it as an example.
        1. Destiny
          Destiny 16 December 2018 12: 56
          +4
          Quote: Egorovich
          Traitors and those who set it as an example.

          good You took off the tongue now !!!
          1. A good one
            A good one 16 December 2018 13: 02
            +10
            The West has spat on us more than once, and we continue to pull the cart with their junk.
      3. Nick_R
        Nick_R 16 December 2018 14: 41
        -9
        Solzhenitsyn is definitely a traitor.
        And the surname is some kind of lying with him and creativity.

        I didn’t read it, but I condemn it? Tell us what works you read, only HONESTLY.
        1. ancestors from Don
          ancestors from Don 16 December 2018 14: 50
          +8
          In the 90s, he read all his opuses both "archipelago" and "wheel", he did not leave the screen with his drag (((, answered HONESTLY, what next?
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 17 December 2018 12: 26
          0
          "One day of Ivan Denisovich", "In the first circle" (it was in the USSR, but I bought and read in Spain), and there was no point in reading the rest and I do not advise you. However, read the author's Preface to his New York edition of The First Circle. Here it will interest you.
      4. Vladimir 5
        Vladimir 5 16 December 2018 19: 46
        +1
        Those who know about A. Solzhenitsyn from the media will unequivocally claim that he is a traitor. Because today's media is in the hands of liberals with an oligarch, and the late A. Solzhenitsyn is their enemy. Those who know from their works and have read recent works, another will be the definition of who agrees, who does not, but will call him one of the fighters for a strong Russia ... Therefore, opinions differ on the method of obtaining information. And the majority of those who are illiterate in relation to A. Solzhenitsyn seem to have a condemnatory opinion from propaganda - "I have not read, but I condemn" .... A large country culture and thought are like a clearing of different flowers, but there were periods when they pulled out all the flowers, except one varieties ... You can't go back to such wretchedness, very harmful in consequences ...
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 17 December 2018 12: 29
          0
          Once again, I advise you to read the author's Preface to his New York edition "The First Circle". Here it will interest you.
        2. Trapperxnumx
          Trapperxnumx 29 December 2018 09: 01
          0
          Quote: Vladimir 5
          Those who know from the works, and read the latest works, the other will be the definition of who agrees, who does not, but will call him one of the fighters for a strong Russia ...

          Absolutely agree. To better understand it, you need to read the latest stories, there he is already different. And even his attitude towards Stalin is different. But nobody read it after all)))
    2. ancestors from Don
      ancestors from Don 16 December 2018 14: 39
      +7
      worse than a traitor, he is an enemy !!! for the traitor has something to betray, and this only harms (((
    3. Beater
      Beater 14 January 2019 21: 55
      0
      Quote: Destiny
      Traitor. My opinion.

      And Sakharov, too .. They have such wives .. hi
  2. Altona
    Altona 16 December 2018 12: 40
    +25
    Even as a writer, he is nothing. Heavy language, cumbersome boring storytelling. It is a pity for the schoolchildren who are forced to study this nonsense in terms of literature. As a "historical study", his books are full of obvious exaggerations and heaps of memories of characters still unknown to us, who supposedly "saw it all with their own eyes." "One day of Ivan Denisovich" clearly someone pushed Tvardovsky, this stupid tale in a pseudo-folk language. I also read it with disgust, because the language is written in a filthy simple.
    1. svp67
      svp67 16 December 2018 12: 57
      +5
      Quote: Altona
      Even as a writer, he is not.

      In this regard, better than Varlam Shalamov, a writer who went through all the circles of the Gulag and at one time was Solzhenitsyn’s best friend and you won’t tell ...
      Solzhenitsyn’s letter is a safe, cheap taste, where according to Khrushchev’s expression: “Every phrase has been checked by a lawyer so that everything is in the“ law ”.

      The activity of Solzhenitsyn is the activity of the businessman, aimed narrowly at personal success with all the provocative accessories of such an activity. Solzhenitsyn is a writer of the scale of Pisarzhevsky, the level of talent direction is about one.

      None of the "progressive humanity" should be suitable for my archive. I forbid the writer Solzhenitsyn and all who have the same thoughts to get acquainted with my archive.
      1. Altona
        Altona 16 December 2018 13: 13
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        In this regard, better than Varlam Shalamov, a writer who went through all the circles of the Gulag and at one time was Solzhenitsyn’s best friend and you won’t tell ...

        ---------------------------
        I didn’t mention Shalamov, or else I’ll have to remember Shukshin, the village people, the villagers. In general, Solzhenitsyn seeks to crawl onto several literary shelves, as a "historian", as a "pochvennik", as a "villager" with "Matryonin's Dvor".
        1. kepmor
          kepmor 16 December 2018 13: 20
          +12
          the writings of this "Vlasovite from literature" are not worthy of bookshelves ... too much honor ...
          at the bucket they have the place ...
          1. Altona
            Altona 16 December 2018 13: 25
            +4
            Quote: kepmor
            the writings of this "Vlasovite from literature" are not worthy of bookshelves ... too much honor ...

            -------------------------------
            A man with great vanity and petty pride, did not give state award once, decided to take revenge in this way.
            1. kepmor
              kepmor 16 December 2018 13: 30
              +1
              man’s conscience is a rather hidden substance ... you cannot see with a simple eye ...
              but her absence is very noticeable ...
              this also applies to the mind ...
          2. Mechanic
            Mechanic 16 December 2018 13: 31
            +1
            Yes, and he is an amateur hobbyist, you can read it only from under a stick
        2. nznz
          nznz 16 December 2018 15: 56
          +2
          As for Shalamov, you are in vain. There is a difference in favor of Shalamov, there is a feeling that an eyewitness writes a documentary. Solzhenitsa, writes from a third party as an observer, and it seems clear to me why half of what he wrote is not something he personally experienced. I read both. Moreover, there was already a film here in an interview with eyewitnesses-wife (perevo) and a school friend and who was sitting with him in a sharaga, but the main thing is the records of Solzhenitsyn himself about those almost pioneer camps in which he was sitting. How to compare Shalamov’s teeth he beat out the beaten ones out with a file, and Solzhenitsy ate chocolates, asked for pies, brown bread was lying openly on the tables, and was served white for dinner? I believe Shalamov. No, Solzhenitsyn.
          1. Altona
            Altona 16 December 2018 19: 25
            +1
            Quote: nznz
            About Shalamov, you are in vain.

            -------------------------
            No one said a bad word about Shalamov. Yes, he sat, also wrote camp prose, unlike Solzhenitsyn, more talented.
            1. nznz
              nznz 16 December 2018 20: 22
              0
              I'm talking about style. A matter of taste, but reading an eyewitness is one thing, but a person who himself was not like Shalamov in such conditions, well, that's another.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 16 December 2018 13: 54
      +6
      I wonder why Ptuin loved him so much?
      1. A good one
        A good one 16 December 2018 14: 22
        +3
        hi So the creative intelligentsia, you can flirt, but the result is: "This is needed not by the dead, this is needed by the living."
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 16 December 2018 14: 31
        +8
        Quote: Svarog
        I wonder why Ptuin loved him so much?

        For the fact that the USSR mixed well with mud. Here they are one link. Not just the same. Guarantor bashfully mausoleum fenders with plywood! If his will, he would have carried it. But he is careful, therefore, suffers. Grinds his teeth, but suffers.
      3. faridg7
        faridg7 16 December 2018 16: 26
        +1
        Quote: Svarog
        I wonder why Ptuin loved him so much?

        Exactly for the same thing, for which Khrushchev raised him - For throwing mud at Stalin and the "Stalinist regime". It was later, Brezhnev was not interested in this liar, so Solzhenitsyn began to write his libels for the needs of the bourgeoisie. And the current ones pour cold sweat at the thought of Stalin, about what happened to them, the traitors, would be with him. So they are trying to make him a patriot. Only a patriot is a lousy one
    3. Nick_R
      Nick_R 16 December 2018 14: 52
      -8
      And I recently read "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich", and then Matrenin's yard. Now the gulag has taken up the Archipelago. For which I express my deep gratitude to Comrade Samsonov and his company of detractors.
      One day was written in a completely living language, the language of Tolstoy and Chekhov from the mouth of a convict would not have sounded natural. Archipelago yes, dry, written in the style of journalism. But the facts are of course such that the hair stands on end. If he had published it before One Day, which made him instantly famous, then it would not be that they sent him away, they shot him immediately. Although without One Day there would have been no Archipelago, since it was written largely on the facts that the readers of One Day, former political prisoners and their acquaintances described to him in their letters. There was simply no access to classified archives then.
      1. ancestors from Don
        ancestors from Don 16 December 2018 14: 56
        +11
        Go to Pikul, you will learn more of the truth of life, by the way there in the novel "Hard labor" is described no worse than human suffering.
        1. Nick_R
          Nick_R 16 December 2018 16: 51
          -2
          At one time, trying to read Pikul seemed very boring. But maybe I'll try again.
          About a year ago I read "Zuleikha Opens Her Eyes" by a young author. Very good syllable, read in one breath, I recommend.
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2018 19: 01
            +4
            Quote: Nick_R

            At one time, trying to read Pikul seemed very boring. But maybe I'll try again.

            V. Pikul - boring? However! And this is claimed by the man who mastered Solzhenitsyn? Nah ...
        2. gsev
          gsev 1 January 2019 20: 01
          0
          Quote: ancestors from the Don
          Go to Pikul, you will learn more of the truth of life, by the way there in the novel "Hard labor" is described no worse than human suffering.

          Pikul writes like a Russian. For these purely Russian emotions and sympathy of the author, they love him. But in his works you can always find historical inconsistencies. Likewise, Solzhenitsyn's "Archipelago ..." contains historical errors. But Solzhenitsyn is now an integral part of the Russian world. And I think that even his advice "Do not live by lies ..." is now a guide to action for a Russian person in a hostile Bandera-Nazi environment of SBU officers and degenerate storm troopers from the National Battalions. He fought against Stalin's arbitrariness and I think now his books are fighting against Bandera-CIA arbitrariness.
      2. nznz
        nznz 16 December 2018 15: 59
        +5
        I read, too, barely read, a difficult clumsy language. By the way, who were they in the suit, Ivan Denisovich did not forget? Do not be tormented by a deserter. A normal such moaning protagonist. washed away from the front, and it is symbolic that the Avor also escaped from there at the time .. having set up a veritable operation, he precisely calculated that they wouldn’t kill him, and at the front just at any moment.
        1. Nick_R
          Nick_R 16 December 2018 17: 07
          -7
          Comrade NZ twice, I understand that many have not read Solzhenitsyn, do not lie so frankly.
          Solzhenitsyn himself rattled on the 58th in February 1945, before that he had gone from a private to a captain almost from the very beginning of the war. What nafig operation, until the end of the war there were three months left, instead of which I had to spend 8 years in sharashka camps. He pulled a close friend along with him, to whom he actually wrote the ill-fated letter intercepted by SMERSH, in which he spoke impartially about Stalin.
          Ivan Denisovich was not sitting for desertion, but espionage on a sub-article. True, as the author writes, the investigator did not point out in favor of whose country, and Ivan Denisovich himself did not care if they just stopped beating.
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2018 19: 11
            +2
            Quote: Nick_R
            Comrade NZ twice, I understand that many have not read Solzhenitsyn, do not lie so frankly.
            Solzhenitsyn himself rattled on the 58th in February 1945, before that he had gone from a private to a captain almost from the very beginning of the war. What nafig operation, until the end of the war there were three months left, instead of which I had to spend 8 years in sharashka camps. He pulled a close friend along with him, to whom he actually wrote the ill-fated letter intercepted by SMERSH, in which he spoke impartially about Stalin.
            Ivan Denisovich was not sitting for desertion, but espionage on a sub-article. True, as the author writes, the investigator did not point out in favor of whose country, and Ivan Denisovich himself did not care if they just stopped beating.

            You will probably be surprised, but all the deserters tried to impersonate spies. It doesn’t matter which country. Why? Yes, because according to the laws of wartime, deserters were shot during capture, and spies were given a term.
            And as for the biography of your client, be careful.
            1. Vladimir 5
              Vladimir 5 16 December 2018 20: 53
              -1
              Nisk_R, Krasnoyarsk. Where did they find such stupidity, or they came up with it themselves. In wartime, the spy was waiting for only torture and at the end a bullet in the back of the head, the deserter could still justify himself by some circumstances and have at least hope for a fine ... A. Solzhenitsyn was arrested on FEBRUARY 1945, when the war ended, and in the past, for cowardice was not observed by him .. Though think what you say ...
          2. nznz
            nznz 16 December 2018 20: 29
            +2
            I'm not lying, but I quoted in my own words a fragment from a film about Solzhenitsyn based on his own memories, not a word was invented, he exposes himself. I give the link, look. I will note that you are apparently completely immortal, once three months under bullets at the end of the war when I want to live stronger, but they can kill every minute, compare it with work, relying on amnesty. His act was not terrible and I think he calculated everything. A friend got him for 10 years and not like Solzhenitsyn, why? Why should a friend go to Magadan-coal, and Solzhenitsyn almost went to a pioneer camp? It’s not because S-tsyn leaked everything he could and was recruited (by the way, all the answers in the film are documented). https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=1WQtATLiKNM you refute this and then you can talk about something ..
          3. nznz
            nznz 16 December 2018 21: 01
            0
            yes, I’m in the know and One day I read in the year of its publication, a 16-year-old schoolboy, later I read again in a collection with other stories and Arkhip. The archipelago did not master completely - at that time it was not possible to read it, and it was not necessary to anything. Well, okay, Solzhenitsyn served as someone and in what battery, you learn from the film. He is a mathematician by education. For one from the film you will find out how the wife was visiting (under the bullets?) from the hero, clearly not at the front, as she was barely kicked out of there. So that he already knew how to build Russia in a single dugout. The film cites the memories of his first wife, but more of his own words, which in a strange way, changed from year to year in a more favorable direction. As you read — if Solzhe-n himself talks about his seats — words like a wonderful place, I’ll sleep on the grass after dinner, when he wrote books heaps, how he lied that a nuclear physicist, and how he lied perfectly .. how he became either as a foreman, or as a librarian. If you read Shalamova, you understand that these are not simple posts, to get there, it’s with the godfather and the godfather need to work ..
      3. faridg7
        faridg7 16 December 2018 16: 28
        +3
        Quote: Nick_R
        But the facts are of course such that the hair stands on end. If he had published it before One Day, which made him instantly famous, then it would not be that they sent him away, they shot him immediately. Although without One Day there would have been no Archipelago, since it was written largely on the facts that the readers of One Day, former political prisoners and their acquaintances described to him in their letters.

        What are the facts? there bullshit
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 16 December 2018 19: 07
          0
          Where does the information come from? Is there really access to magical archives?
          1. nznz
            nznz 16 December 2018 20: 51
            +1
            I gave you the link, do not regret the hour, look maybe you didn’t know something. It is difficult to dispute such facts there, such as Shalamov’s review of communication with S. literally, I thought that communication with S. would enrich me, but I was convinced that this communication was devastating me. Shalamov categorically forbade touching his archives to S-well and to anyone else in his will. Understanding that for them these were not hurt words, but material for retelling the free and distorted. He was very afraid of the distortion of what he himself experienced. Well, a friend’s testimony of a sharashka — a letter (to which S replied, acknowledging the fact of his existence) —the friend wrote about bitterness, resentment, and anger that he didn’t reveal to them what was recruited as informer. that those who were forced to accept this immediately notified their friends that the tone was an informer, just to be on the point of controversy not to say too much. Solzh-tsin said nothing ... in general, to retell the movie is empty-look.
            1. Mestny
              Mestny 16 December 2018 21: 01
              +1
              Yes, I read his works. and related literature too.
              The whole horror is that in places Shalamov describes everything as equally monstrous. He only writes to himself, does not give numbers, does not draw conclusions.
              So it turns out that - Solzhenitsyn only lied in numbers, and in some details?
              And this is the most important thing - not just a few million, but whether it was at all.
            2. Nick_R
              Nick_R 16 December 2018 23: 15
              -1
              a friend wrote about bitterness, resentment, and anger that St. did not reveal to them what was recruited as informer.

              Apparently you mean the very friend to whom the ill-fated letter was addressed, because of which Solzhenitsyn received the term, and at the same time dragged a friend along with him?
              Solzhenitsyn mentions that his friend was given a term, but really casual. Just like he writes that under torture he admitted everything. Actually, his confession is apparently considered by his dpug as a denunciation. But do you know many who did not admit to the NKVD / Smersh? I think such unit interest.
              When I was little, watching films and reading books I was always amazed how many Russians withstood the torture of the evil SS men, while the Germans almost immediately laid out everything. Then I thought it was fiction. And now I understand that the truth is somewhere in between. The Germans really more often laid out everything, because our bodies simply had no equal in the issue of torture, they did not hesitate to massively train them for 20 years. In comparison, Himmler and company are just trainees.
              1. Sewer krainiy
                Sewer krainiy 18 December 2018 19: 44
                0
                Apparently you mean the very friend to whom the ill-fated letter was addressed, because of which Solzhenitsyn received the term, and at the same time dragged a friend along with him?
                What confession under torture? During the war, everyone knew that letters were checked by military censors. Even the stamp was put "Checked by military censorship", if I'm not mistaken. Why torture, if there is a letter. Knew, you bastard, set up a friend, washed away from the front.
      4. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2018 18: 58
        -2
        Quote: Nick_R
        Archipelago yes, dry, written in the style of journalism. But the facts are of course such that the hair stands on end.

        I would advise you to turn your brains on when you read Solzhenitsin. On the subject of logic.
      5. Altona
        Altona 16 December 2018 19: 34
        +3
        Quote: Nick_R
        One day was written in a completely living language, the language of Tolstoy and Chekhov from the mouth of a convict would not have sounded natural.

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        Tolstoy also suffers from ponderousness, but his "War and Peace" is much larger than any "archipelagos" put together. And Platon Karataev and other folk characters are much brighter than "Ivan Denisovich". As for the prison language and its description of crime, there is a wonderful story "Resurrection", where a woman with low social responsibility was tried and how to reflect all the nuances of the character's soul movement in a beautiful language. You can read Leskov, that's where the simply brilliant language. It's up to you, of course, what kind of literature to read, but even the writers themselves began to admit that the writer Alexander Isaich is so-so, on a C. And his wife "finished" many things to him, so that it was somehow readable. This is my personal opinion, my, so to speak, taste, everyone has different literary preferences.
    4. Vlvl
      Vlvl 16 December 2018 17: 12
      0
      In-in, it is easier and more interesting to read Brezhnev's "small land".
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 December 2018 12: 32
      0
      In my time it was banned, and if you didn’t read, then you didn’t lose anything, I personally “baked into“ The Gulag Archipelago. ”I read Shalamov with rapture.
      1. Altona
        Altona 17 December 2018 12: 36
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        In my time it was banned, and if you didn’t read, then you didn’t lose anything

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        In my time, it was also banned, in the year 1990 I read it. Then Korotich's "Lights" and Rybakov's "Children of the Arbat" began to appear. In general, I read it, skipping 10 pages at the end ... Not impressed ...
    6. Beater
      Beater 14 January 2019 22: 00
      -1
      Quote: Altona
      Even as a writer, he is not. Heavy language, bulky tedious narration. It is a pity for schoolchildren who are forced to study this nonsense

      And Russia broadcasted it for two hours on the central channels in the evening to watch .. It's horrible !!! Now, in principle, too. only Soloviev and Pozner, Kedmi .. constantly teach life ..)))
      That's how we live ...))))
  3. Russia
    Russia 16 December 2018 12: 42
    +19
    An offended liar who was lifted up by the West and who became for him / the West / his "son of a bitch". With its help, they are now trying to replace the concepts of feat and betrayal, truth and lies. He is akin to Vlasov and Bandera. Only these "figures" in Russia have not yet erected monuments, and this, unfortunately, already exists. am
  4. Declarant
    Declarant 16 December 2018 12: 51
    +11
    He contributed to the collapse of the USSR, respectively, in my eyes, he is a traitor.
    1. Nick_R
      Nick_R 16 December 2018 15: 02
      -11
      He contributed to the collapse of the USSR, 

      True, Solzhenitsyn is to blame for everything?
      What a powerful old man however.
      And then I naively believed that the Bolsheviks, who divided monolithic Russia into a union of republics created along ethnic lines, were to blame for the collapse of the USSR. Secondly, the party communist elite of the USSR, which allowed the economic collapse of the country by the mid-80s and out of fright, elected the general secretary of Gorbachev (note, the people did not participate in his appointment in any way). And finally, the same cowardly political elite of the CPSU, which did not react in any way to the parade of sovereignties in the country, to the arrest and "release" of Gorbachev and, as a result, to the signing of the Belovezhsky agreement.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 16 December 2018 15: 29
        -6
        Do not waste time. Such an article is simply an extra reason for those who are waving the saber here to shout about power.
        To understand that Solzhenitsyn is part of our history, which means that these fighters for truth cannot be forgotten. They got their heads hammered by the Goblin associates. As you know, among their adherents only they determine who is "friend" and who is "enemy". Nothing in between.
        It's interesting to talk to such people "live".
        Usually I ask what he specifically read from the author reproached by him. It turns out - nothing. But authoritative people told him. There’s no Internet at hand to google a list of works, and proudly present it.
        Like this, a joke from the USSR:
        - Here the famous group comes "The Beatles", will you go?
        - No, I won’t go, I don’t like them.
        “Have you heard them yet?”
        - Yes, Gogi sang to me.
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2018 19: 28
        +1
        Quote: Nick_R

        And I naively believed that the Bolsheviks, who divided monolithic Russia into a union of republics created on a national basis, were to blame for the collapse of the USSR.

        Yes, from you, my friend, right after a mile and a half it rushes with great-power chauvinism.
        Quote: Nick_R
        Secondly, the party communist elite of the USSR, which allowed the economic collapse of the country ...

        Have you read about this in Murzilka?
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 17 December 2018 12: 35
        0
        Well, you have a guy and a mess in your head!
  5. prior
    prior 16 December 2018 12: 58
    +13
    Whoever he is, he did not contribute to the unification of the Russian people.
    Nobody says that we, Russians, are white and fluffy, but a patriot should not crap his people with the money of the enemy.
    And this crap.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 16 December 2018 19: 34
      +1
      And here we are - how do we contribute to the unification of the Russian people?
      Here we have different people in Russia - someone considers Solzhenitsin an enemy, someone just history, and someone and vice versa.
      How do you plan to combine them? Through mass forced reeducation?
  6. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 16 December 2018 12: 59
    +21
    The story of how the former Kolyma convicts discussed the "Gulag Archipelago" A.I. Solzhenitsyna:

    CAMPAIGN VICTIMS: After dinner, we gathered at Romanov. “I will begin,” he said, “from two events that journalists call“ fried facts. ” Although the first event would be more correct to call ice cream a fact. These events: “They say that in December 1928 on Krasnaya Gorka (Karelia), prisoners sentenced to punishment (did not complete the lesson) were left to spend the night in the forest and 150 people froze to death. This is an ordinary Solovetsky trick, there is no doubt about it. It is more difficult to believe another story that on the Kem-Ukhta tract near the town of Kut in February 1929 "a company of prisoners, about 100 people, was driven to a fire for failure to comply with the norm, and they burned down." [1] As soon as Romanov fell silent, Semyon Nikiforovich exclaimed: - Parasha! .. Well no!.. Pure whistle! - and looked inquiringly at Nazarov. He nodded: - Yeah! Camp folklore in its purest form. (In the Kolyma camp jargon, “parasha” means an unreliable hearing. And the “whistle” is deliberate lies). And everyone was silent ... Romanov looked around everyone and said: - Guys, that's it. But, Semyon Nikiforovich, suddenly some sucker who did not smell the camp life would ask why it was whistling. Couldn’t this be in the Solovetsky camps? What would you answer him? Semyon Nikiforovich thought a little and answered like this: “It's not that Solovetsky is a camp or Kolymsky. And the fact that not only wild animals, but also humans are afraid of fire. After all, how many cases were there when in a fire people jumped out of the upper floors of the house and crashed to death, just to not burn them alive. And here I have to believe that several lousy guard (escort) managed to drive a hundred convicts into the fire ?! Yes, the most worn-out convict, a goner, will prefer to be shot, but will not jump into the fire. What can I say! If the guards, with their five-shot farts (there were no automatic machines then), started a game with prisoners jumping into the fire, then they themselves would have ended up in a fire. In short, this “fried fact" is Solzhenitsyn’s stupid invention. Now about the "ice cream fact." It is not clear what it means "left in the woods"? What, the security went to sleep in the barracks? .. So this is the blue dream of the prisoners! Especially thieves - they would instantly be in the nearest village. And so they would start to “freeze” so that the inhabitants of the village would see the sky with a sheepskin. Well, if the guard remained, then of course it would make bonfires for its own heating ... And then such a “movie” turns out: several bonfires burn in the forest, forming a large circle. Each circle has one and a half hundred hefty men with axes and saws in their hands calmly and silently freeze. They freeze to death! .. Misha! The backfill question: how long can such a “movie” last? ”“ I see, ”Romanov said. - Only a bookworm, which has never seen not only convicts, loggers, but also ordinary forests, can believe in such a “movie”. We agree that both “fried facts”, in essence, are bullshit. Everyone nodded their heads in agreement. “I,” Nazarov spoke, “already“ doubted ”Solzhenitsyn’s honesty. After all, as a former convict, he cannot but understand that the essence of these tales does not fit in with the routine of the Gulag. Having ten years of experience in camp life, he, of course, knows that suicide bombers are not being taken to camps. And the sentence is carried out in other places. Of course, he knows that any camp is not only a place where convicts “drag out time”, but also an economic unit with their own work plan. Those. the camp is a production facility where convicts are workers, and superiors are production managers. And if somewhere “the plan is on fire”, then the camp authorities can sometimes lengthen the working day of convicts. Such a violation of the Gulag regime often happened. But in order to destroy their workers by mouth - this is nonsense, for which the authorities themselves would certainly be severely punished. Until the execution. Indeed, in Stalin's time discipline was asked not only from ordinary citizens, from the authorities demand was even stricter. And if, knowing all this, Solzhenitsyn inserts fables into his book, then it is clear that this book was not written in order to tell the truth about the life of the Gulag. And for what - I still do not understand.
    1. Mechanic
      Mechanic 16 December 2018 13: 23
      +13
      In the Gulag, he added himself a knoll. After lunch, he allowed himself to sleep. He’s cunning in life. Chameleon
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 16 December 2018 14: 45
      +8
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      The story of how the former Kolyma convicts discussed the "Gulag Archipelago" A.I. Solzhenitsyna

      Thank. It was interesting.
    3. Trapperxnumx
      Trapperxnumx 29 December 2018 09: 44
      0
      well, about the fire - whistle. But this does not mean that leaving 150 people to freeze in the forest is good? and this is no longer a whistle, do I understand correctly? If Solzhenitsyn wrote something inaccurate in one place, but it is entirely possible from what he was told, then another story
      This is an ordinary Solovetsky trick, there is no doubt about it.
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 16 December 2018 13: 07
    +8
    The filthy essence is that the very highest among us glorify it!
    Another reason to remind people that their indifference leads to tragedy for many others!
    Who love their homeland no less than others and know how to separate the desires, aspirations of their people, from the top wanted, which once again ....
  8. fruit_cake
    fruit_cake 16 December 2018 13: 08
    +9
    Solzhenitsyn was an ordinary freak and a liar whom they noticed at the time of anti-Stalinist propaganda, because then he was profitable to the authorities, then they got rid of him and again became profitable to the perestroika clowns and subsequent bandits robbing the country in the 90s to justify their actions on the collapse of the Soviet past.
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 16 December 2018 13: 10
    +8
    That's right, around the NATO base, and inside there are monuments to Solzhenitsyn ... and most importantly, according to whose will and who opens them ... And those who, like, run the "besieged fortress", convinces that betrayal is an act ... So we live, so we will live until we die ...
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 16 December 2018 15: 36
      -1
      Do not tighten. But who knows - suddenly tomorrow you will burn books in the squares, because they are written by liars.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 16 December 2018 16: 10
        0
        Do not wait. laughing But you agree with the rest.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 16 December 2018 17: 47
          -1
          Is it like in school - silence is a sign of consent? And then the sequel - who is not with us, is against us. And then - arrests in the name of justice and a new order.
          We know - they read. So far, fortunately, only read.
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2018 19: 36
        +1
        Quote: Mestny
        Do not tighten. But who knows - suddenly tomorrow you will burn books in the squares, because they are written by liars.

        And why not burn if the book is not just false, but also harmful?
        Do you punish your child for blatant lies or do you stroke the head and give an encouraging sweater?
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 16 December 2018 20: 10
          +1
          Exactly.
          The only question is who will determine which book is false and which is not.
          Who deserves to live, and who not.
          My child recently gave birth to her. Everything is normal with him - he lives, works, and does not skip rallies.
  10. Ishenko Gennady Vladimirovich
    Ishenko Gennady Vladimirovich 16 December 2018 13: 10
    +13
    He is a bastard, and the president only shows his true face, showing him reverence (like Yeltsin, by the way). Tell me who your friends are ... There are few oligarch friends and Borka-alcoholic, now this scumbag scribbler.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 16 December 2018 15: 37
      -4
      Enough tolerating this! Putin walk in! Buy a yellow vest - support justice!
      The key word is buy.
  11. Rostislav Prokopenko
    Rostislav Prokopenko 16 December 2018 13: 13
    +8
    Traitor.
  12. Gardamir
    Gardamir 16 December 2018 13: 14
    +9
    There is one caveat. If you are a supporter of the current president, if you firmly believe in cunning plans, then that buying American treasuries is good for Russia. Finally, if you think that the president cannot do anything and is not responsible for anything. Then, following the logic, you should be fans of Medvedev, Kudrin, Chubais, Yeltsin, Alekseeva and Solzhenitsyn. After all, the person you believe worships these people.
    I believe that for the greatness and prosperity of Russia, other people and other things are needed.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 16 December 2018 15: 40
      -4
      Wrong conclusion, lying, like any propaganda.
      Why did you decide that Putin worships Solzhenitsyn?
      Pays tribute to historical memory, as the President of a country in which there are no prohibitions on history should do.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 16 December 2018 18: 22
        +4
        Pays tribute to historical memory
        Yes Yes. You and Vlasov with Kolchak have a historical memory. Can you erect a monument to Chikatile? But tell me, here are some metro stations renamed, this is what they were called under the kings. And then demolish the monuments to the Communists, and nothing.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 16 December 2018 19: 10
          0
          What communists, and where are the monuments demolished?
          And yes, these characters are also our story.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 16 December 2018 19: 22
            0
            Shaw then? Make out an alley of traitors and see who comes to bow there, to give a historical duty to t.s!
            We already have monuments to traitors and enemies to do .....
            By the way, monuments, busts of leaders, heroes of the Soviet regime are all demolished !!! Not central, but so, second, third order of value. The owners of factories, newspapers, ships, are not always tolerant of our history !!! We were removed for reconstruction, repair .... repaired beautifully, but the leader was lost somewhere !!! And there is such a thing !!! Even counting people who care did. Demolished, lost a LOT, the bill goes for a thousand !!!
            1. Mestny
              Mestny 16 December 2018 19: 38
              0
              These "caring people" themselves have repaired at least one monument?
              Or just running around and counting how much "power" stole from them? So familiar to us.
              I don’t know how it is with you, but here it’s a little different.
              All major renovations are preliminarily put up for discussion. And if citizens are against it, the plan is changing.
              For example, monuments to the heroes of the Second World War are "attached" to large organizations. The result is order and repair.
              What's wrong?
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 16 December 2018 20: 20
                0
                When they run around, they think party members are scurrying about, even from any party, people are at least indifferent.
                When they wanted to take back the Lenin monument, built by the whole world for reconstruction, people were indignant .... they did the repair on the spot, it turns out that it was possible! But in factories, this is not so, especially for those that either work or fire workers! In our periphery, much is different than in the centers. Political life does not boil, the people are indifferent to all this fuss ... although, when the brothers went from dill, the people showed enviable solidarity, helped the whole world, I do not know by hearsay!
                Those. priorities are different, more human sho!
                1. Mestny
                  Mestny 16 December 2018 20: 46
                  0
                  What does the party members have to do with it? All monuments are at least municipal property, or historical objects in general.
                  All projects for their reconstruction, especially the transfer, undergo a mandatory public discussion procedure. Really.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 16 December 2018 21: 01
                    0
                    Who is discussing this with us? Only if the party members raise a buchu people can support, and maybe send naf. And it is with us, in the former red belt, such passivity has come! His power is systematically achieved, the majority does not care, in fact, and chatter, it does not interfere with the top.
            2. nznz
              nznz 16 December 2018 20: 43
              +1
              a long time ago under the kings there was a rule not in a hurry with monuments, 100,150 years will pass and then it will become clear what kind of person. I am categorically against the demolition of any monuments — these are notes on the sidelines of history — but no less categorically against the skrodelov you will not understand who. Time will tell. But the people intuitively feel that the Yeltsin centers and Yeltsin himself with a marked devil, together, are not those heroes .. they’re spoiling pedestals, they are pouring ink on this. Why is this needed? When all who knew something go away into inaccessibility, then the facts will come out of the archives and then not everything will be so fast. I do not see a monument to Khrushchev, is there such (except for the tombstone of the author of the Unknown)? It is clear that everyone understands - put up a monument to this leader and begin his caring - people will not accept, I remember the helb on coupons in 1961 and the slogans Hold on to a cow from Iowa. And I remember my son crying with tears of emotion from the news, I received the citizenship of the states .. here in such moments Pharisaism and duplicity of everyone understand, slogans for the people, but you need to live in warmth ..
      2. gurzuf
        gurzuf 16 December 2018 19: 16
        +2
        But the guarantor is in no hurry to pay "tribute to historical memory, as the President of a country in which there are no prohibitions on history" should do something to Joseph Vissarionovich. What is it for? But the people (for the most part) now honor Steel higher than Solzhenitsyn and the more drunk Yeltsin.
      3. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2018 19: 38
        0
        Quote: Mestny
        Wrong conclusion, lying, like any propaganda.
        Why did you decide that Putin worships Solzhenitsyn?
        Pays tribute to historical memory, as the President of a country in which there are no prohibitions on history should do.

        Pays tribute to the historical memory of what? Lies Are you out of your mind?
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 16 December 2018 20: 15
          0
          Well, nothing can be done about it - a lie is not a lie, a traitor is not a traitor, but left a mark on the history of the country. They can, of course, try to burn books on the squares, so now it will not help in the age of the Internet - there will still be those who believe this.
          Do you want to convince them? You are welcome. Only shouts of "traitor", "lie, and" burn "will not convince you, it is only possible to intimidate or embitter.
          And by the way - who told you about the lie? Is this your personal opinion?
          Same question.
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 16 December 2018 20: 22
          0
          The authorities always do what is beneficial for them! Sometimes it is beneficial for them to gut the voters .... how to explain the honoring of the rat traitor ??? I have an answer, but you?
          1. Mestny
            Mestny 16 December 2018 20: 53
            0
            So you yourself at the beginning answered: the government always does what is beneficial to it.
            ALWAYS, with ANY system.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 16 December 2018 21: 09
              0
              Always and with anyone!
              And even heroes are different, we Soviet heroes, monuments, almost all took for granted, because they were flesh from the flesh of their people. There are also controversial figures there, but this is a meager part .... and what is the modern government imposing on us? Heroes of warriors and civilians, genuine, for whom they didn’t say anything bad, were perpetually immortalized, count at the local level ..... and those who are publicly cursed, so pompously, publicly impose on everyone, this is no longer dumb .... ..... so would be a strong word and attached! Down and down.
  13. Severok
    Severok 16 December 2018 13: 19
    +6
    Solzhenitsin is a patriot. The capitalists of the west. Lord of God and Lord of the Roma. Lords of the dollar. Litter shtatovskih huckster. Foie and a slurry of foreign intelligence services. The vile liar and liar, lost in trust in those from whom the piece is sweeter. A pawn in the game against the Russian people, a paper figurine ascended to the podium by the destroyers of the people of Russia.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 16 December 2018 19: 24
      0
      Well, do it yourself. They will not go to jail for 10 years and will not be shot.
      Or without a command from above in any way?
  14. Mechanic
    Mechanic 16 December 2018 13: 20
    +5
    Who could be a creature offering to launch a nuclear strike against their country
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 16 December 2018 15: 42
      -4
      Is there a quote? Or again, the goblin and Yulin were told?
      I’ve read - there’s no such thing there, it doesn’t call for it.
      1. kitt409
        kitt409 16 December 2018 19: 16
        +1
        And the exact quote is:
        "... when we, steamed, sweaty meat, were kneaded and pushed into funnels, we shouted to the guards from the depths:" Wait, g ***! Truman will be at you! They will throw an atomic bomb on your head! "And the guards were cowardly silent ... "(from)
        And now for those who, apparently, have not yet learned to think - where did Solzhenitsyn sit? - on our territory, from here a conclusion - where did they call to drop the atomic bomb? to our territory - etc.
        "What is written with a pen, you will not cut it out with an ax" (c) - that's what he wrote, for that and answer him ...
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 16 December 2018 19: 27
          0
          Now imagine yourself in the midst of everything in which you -
          steamed, sweaty meat that was kneaded and pushed into the funnel,

          What would they shout interestingly there - is it really the glory of the party?
          However, yes, this was nothing, Solzhenitsyn is lying.
          1. kitt409
            kitt409 16 December 2018 19: 40
            0
            That is, it’s normal to urge to bomb your country, or do you think that if you dropped only one bomb, this is the only place for this camp, right? I must upset you - according to the plans of the USA, and there were a lot of them then, the number of bombs planned to be dropped was much greater ...
            Sorry, but examples of when he is lying, please be so kind as to find yourself, oh how many of them on the internet, I'm talking about the memories of those who were in the Gulag first of all ...
            I will definitely NOT be engaged in closing the gaps in your education or knowledge, judging by some signs, you and I have different views, so ourselves and only ourselves ...
            1. Mestny
              Mestny 16 December 2018 20: 21
              +1
              Feel free to leave your highly learned Internet search tips to yourself.
              Apparently, you either did not read my previous post to you, or you are not able to understand it.
              I quote again:
              Now imagine yourself in the midst of everything in which you -
              steamed, sweaty meat that was kneaded and pushed into the funnel,


              What would they shout interestingly there - is it really the glory of the party?
              However, yes, this was nothing, Solzhenitsyn is lying.

              Imagine yourself in this situation. However, not even yourself - whoever knows you there, maybe you are a convinced ideological Marxist, but the rest.
              The overwhelming majority of people can be brought to any state; they will say anything.
              1. kitt409
                kitt409 16 December 2018 20: 33
                0
                As for advice, at least highly learned, at least low - start with yourself, you haven’t advised anyone here yet), but is it definitely necessary?)
                And you first of all have not yet understood what exactly I wrote to you about ...
                Essentially, you have nothing to argue, a quote is a quote, and who and what can be brought to you - do you need to know why? I don't provide extra information about myself, especially I don’t provide like-minded people)
                1. Mestny
                  Mestny 16 December 2018 20: 37
                  0
                  That is, you do not know how to read? Just write and search the Internet?
                  I thought so. Good luck.
                  1. kitt409
                    kitt409 16 December 2018 20: 53
                    0
                    And all the best to you, how to learn to read, and you - contact.
  15. free
    free 16 December 2018 13: 20
    +1
    Traitor! Enemy!
  16. Antor
    Antor 16 December 2018 13: 22
    +3
    In our country there are too many those who are ideological successors of Judas and traitors from whom the USSR fell and in which, in their opinion, everything was bad, and as it were, the banner of all this bad things is not to elevate the Gulag and its author, Solzhenitsyn. And who and what is promoting the Yeltsin Center in our country, glorifying the one who violated everything that could be violated and trampled .... !!!
    We are called upon to respect the Constitution of today, they are even going to introduce almost criminal liability for neglecting it and other attributes and symbols of our country, power, etc. Yes, you have to be treated with respect and not only .. !!!! But the question is why in our country they didn’t condemn Judas and traitors who trampled on the Soviet Constitution and what is the difference between the Maidan in Ukraine and when the country's parliament was shot from tanks, and the USSR was destroyed by only three "godfathers" in Belovezhskaya Pushcha !! ?? While we will bypass these sharp corners of our history and make idols out of Judas and traitors, everyone will probably understand where they are leading us and why they are erected monuments and who is present and interested in this !!!
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 16 December 2018 15: 44
      0
      Yours suggest doing the same thing - to go around the corners of history. Just the opposite, on the other hand.
      Moreover, they propose to throw something out of history altogether, to oblivion.
      Or can you, because you are for everything good?
  17. anshe1764
    anshe1764 16 December 2018 13: 25
    +2
    And you don’t need enemies, having SUCH, friends ,, ... rubbish is still that!
  18. lot
    lot 16 December 2018 13: 26
    -3
    Throw food already. Let's tear the dead to pieces!
    Zek experts led ... e Mayo))
    Yes, do not care: after all, the Gulag was like DisneyLand. Is not it?
    The article is dirty.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 16 December 2018 13: 37
      +5
      because the Gulag was like DisneyLand.
      How do you know what he was? Is the FSIN different? Why did Sergey Pavlovich after the gulag work for the good of the Soviet motherland, and this one only slandered?
      1. lot
        lot 16 December 2018 14: 05
        -2
        On Solovki, the guide will tell you (maybe. [I was in the 80s]); and so much imagination is not necessary. Solzh. He was a philosopher, a dissident. one more, one less. Dostoevsky, too, was jailing in hard labor (Notes from the dead house), but he did not describe such a tin.
        Sergey Palych ...
        Sikorsky too.
        1. Nick_R
          Nick_R 16 December 2018 15: 13
          -1
          Dostoevsky, too, was jailing in hard labor (Notes from the dead house), but he did not describe such a tin. 

          And you didn’t think about such a simple idea that Dostaevsky didn’t describe such toughness simply because under him (ie tsarism) there was no such toughness as under the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. To check this version, just compare the number of those executed for political reasons under the last two tsars and a similar figure under one general secretary Stalin ("in total" 650 thousand people sentenced immediately to the VMN, not counting those who died in camps, prisons, etc. .)
      2. Mestny
        Mestny 16 December 2018 15: 46
        -1
        Quote: Gardamir
        How do you know what he was? Is the FSIN different?

        How do you know?
    2. lot
      lot 16 December 2018 13: 38
      -3
      Who would argue.
    3. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2018 19: 42
      +1
      Quote: lot
      Throw food already. Let's tear the dead to pieces!
      Zek experts led ... e Mayo))
      Yes, do not care: after all, the Gulag was like DisneyLand. Is not it?
      The article is dirty.

      And who, besides the convicts, can be the best expert in the zone?
  19. stalki
    stalki 16 December 2018 13: 26
    +4
    Not just a traitor, but with especially aggravating, so to speak. The word is the subtlest instrument. He must be in the hands of responsible, spiritually pure. And he used this tool for the most dirty purposes, deeply incising the human consciousness, dismembering public opinion.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 16 December 2018 19: 12
      0
      Who will choose responsible and spiritually pure? Probably even more responsible.
      Well at least not racially pure ...
      1. stalki
        stalki 16 December 2018 19: 32
        +1
        Who will choose responsible and spiritually pure? Probably even more responsible.
        Well at least not racially pure ...


        And no one talked about choosing for him.

        "Everyone chooses for himself
        woman, religion, road.
        Serve the devil or the prophet -
        everyone chooses for himself ... "

        What he chose is his fate. And I have the right to relate to such creativity extremely negatively. Not to act in this way, this is my choice. And the choice of many who agree with me.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 16 December 2018 19: 45
          +1
          And poking a finger into the face of those who have a different choice - is that how?
          And those who have a different choice, they also obviously have the right to such?
          After all, no one here wrote - I respect the opinions of other people, but I myself consider Solzhenitsyn a traitor - for one reason or another.
          Little of. Under this Solzhenitsyn, a traditional set of teenage jumps from the nearest meeting immediately arises.
          Reading all these nonsense is sickening, it seems that we have not learned anything since the collapse of the USSR, and again we are ready with crazy eyes to destroy and divide everything around.
          1. stalki
            stalki 16 December 2018 19: 55
            0
            And here no one pokes, I’m personally to you hi and didn’t aim at his face. I'm just arguing with you. I'm not going to convince anyone. And including you, I am simply defending my position, and you are sharing yours. I always try with respect to my opponent. Again hi
            1. Mestny
              Mestny 16 December 2018 20: 25
              0
              Well here I am - sharing my position.
              Honestly, much of what is written by the participants above causes a desire to agree. If it weren’t for one thing, I don’t like it when they throw at something in an entire flock, with the same slogans. without thought and understanding, and even the desire to understand. In me it causes a feeling of protest.
              Personally, I have no complaints about you, sorry if I was too harsh.
              1. stalki
                stalki 16 December 2018 20: 32
                0
                Yes, I was not offended hi my regards.
  20. Gate68
    Gate68 16 December 2018 13: 51
    +3
    Bet plus who is against such monuments.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 16 December 2018 19: 29
      +1
      Teenagers gather elsewhere to collect likes.
      1. Gate68
        Gate68 16 December 2018 21: 26
        0
        It’s ridiculous. I did not know that huskies are being collected here (this is about teens).
  21. kakvastam
    kakvastam 16 December 2018 13: 51
    +3
    You will know them by their fruits.

    With confidence, only one thing can be said: Solzhenitsyn inflicted enormous damage on Russia, and what motivated them at the same time - self-interest, hatred, stupidity, or something else - is not so interesting.
    Much more important is the fact that the so-called. The "leadership", extolling him as a writer and erecting him monument after monument, values ​​him precisely for the results of his activities, and therefore evaluates the catastrophe for the country and the people as a great achievement.
    And that’s all we need to know about today's power.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 16 December 2018 15: 48
      0
      Well, if you are not going to live in "this country", she stepped on your tail (like Solzhenitsyn) - then yes, this is all you need to know about her power.
      1. kakvastam
        kakvastam 16 December 2018 17: 42
        0
        Quote: Mestny
        if you are not going to live in "this country"

        Exactly the opposite.
        The ability to predict events in one's own country is most useful precisely when the option of emigration is not considered. Since the so-called. The "management" rarely managed to seriously surprise me (twice, to be precise), we can assume that the model has sufficient predictive power.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 16 December 2018 18: 07
          0
          The forecast itself does not matter. Only if it is used to build an action plan.
          In this case, raving about the wrong power and the wrong country is to cut the branch you are sitting on yourself without any reasonable alternatives, except the option will fall down.
          1. kakvastam
            kakvastam 17 December 2018 10: 16
            0
            Quote: Mestny
            The forecast itself does not matter. Only if it is used to build an action plan.

            Absolutely right.
            So we plan as far as possible.
  22. Wizzzard
    Wizzzard 16 December 2018 13: 56
    +2
    Quote: lot
    Zek experts led ... e Mayo))

    But wasn’t the hero with the monument a prisoner? So why to him with a bow, and to others - with spitting?
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 16 December 2018 15: 49
      0
      To others - which ones? Who are all these people?
  23. VRF
    VRF 16 December 2018 13: 57
    +2
    In my opinion, the title itself is treacherous (no offense to the author). This bastard cannot be a patriot of his patronymic after all that he has done and uttered for his miserable life.
  24. Gardamir
    Gardamir 16 December 2018 14: 15
    +1
    From wikipedia
    Patriotism (Greek πατριώτης - compatriot, πατρίς - fatherland) is a moral and political principle, a social feeling, the content of which is the love of the homeland and the willingness to sacrifice their interests for it. Patriotism implies pride in the achievements and culture of one’s homeland, a desire to preserve its character and cultural characteristics and self-identification (a special emotional experience of belonging to the country and one’s citizenship, language, traditions) with other members of one’s people, the desire to protect the interests of the motherland and one’s people, love to his homeland, country, people, attachment to his place of birth, to his place of residence
    Read the definition, it applies not only to Solzhenitsyn, but also to many of those whom you call patriots for some reason.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 16 December 2018 15: 51
      0
      There is now the country of Russia. we are its citizens.
      How is it - need to be protected? Or is it wrong and everything needs to be broken?
  25. edvardmiloslavsky
    edvardmiloslavsky 16 December 2018 14: 19
    +5
    for me he is a bastard .. who called for the bombing, my homeland of the Americans.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 16 December 2018 15: 51
      0
      You at least read that no matter what.
    2. lot
      lot 16 December 2018 16: 17
      0
      Proof on the table. Quote.
      The place is time.
      No need to lie.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 16 December 2018 18: 08
        0
        Yes, it is not easy to understand. I didn’t put a comma there, and that’s all, the Americans are your homeland.
      2. kitt409
        kitt409 16 December 2018 19: 24
        0
        The quote above is the answer (or example) for your colleague in your convictions - local, but from where, please be kind enough to find yourself)
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 16 December 2018 20: 27
          0
          Ruslan, I'm sorry, I didn’t understand nifig. Do you write to me that the quote above is for my colleague Local?
          Probably you answered the wrong message?
          1. kitt409
            kitt409 16 December 2018 20: 56
            0
            No, this is not for you, I answered Lot, it was there that he required a proof and a quote, time, and a place.)
            1. Mestny
              Mestny 16 December 2018 21: 07
              0
              Yeah, okay.
              Do not be offended, sometimes when everyone comes out on a united front, an opponent is needed to create a healthy discussion. In this case, it's me.
              Otherwise, it’s just not interesting. no food for the mind.
              1. kitt409
                kitt409 16 December 2018 21: 18
                0
                Pay attention, I personally did not mention a traitor or something similar, I have a more complicated attitude to AIS, but this is a slightly different question ...
                1. Mestny
                  Mestny 16 December 2018 21: 20
                  0
                  So for me it’s more complicated. Given all the read-studied about him personally and about the country in general.
  26. Alexander X
    Alexander X 16 December 2018 14: 33
    +2
    Traitor ... IMHO ..
  27. SS-18 Satan
    SS-18 Satan 16 December 2018 14: 41
    +6
    villain and rogue. I don’t understand one thing ... why the current government has not yet erected a monument to General Vlasov. he also fought with Soviet power. sure .. this witches coven will end. and the people themselves will erect monuments to the national heroes.
  28. Evil echo
    Evil echo 16 December 2018 15: 00
    +2
    He is Judas. And this is the most harmless thing I can say about him. Everything else is obscene.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 16 December 2018 15: 56
      +1
      What did he do? Passed state secrets to enemies? Personally killed millions of compatriots?
      No, nothing like that - he wrote books. from market considerations.
      Well, I would write and write to myself, especially abroad. Who would seem to need it here, in the best country of the USSR.
      But it wasn’t here. Soviet citizens, whom Solzhenitsyn lied to, read it all with enthusiasm, passing from hand to hand overwhelmed illegal copies.
      How is that?
      1. kitt409
        kitt409 16 December 2018 19: 29
        0
        It’s not necessary to juggle it, for the time being they read it - since he was the discoverer of this topic, so to speak, but the misfortune — that the texture was lame in many places and the style — well, not a fountain in the best case, but as a matter of fact, they at least opened the topic - it turned out that there are works oh how better - the same Shalamov, and not only him ...
      2. stalki
        stalki 16 December 2018 19: 45
        0
        What did he do? Passed state secrets to enemies? Personally killed millions of compatriots?
        No, nothing like that - he wrote books. from market considerations.
        Well, I would write and write to myself, especially abroad. Who would seem to need it here, in the best country of the USSR.
        But it wasn’t here. Soviet citizens, whom Solzhenitsyn lied to, read it all with enthusiasm, passing from hand to hand overwhelmed illegal copies.
        How is that?
        What kind of citizens? You can objectively evaluate these citizens. You climbed into their heads. Have you witnessed when and how you read, what conclusions did you draw? Can you provide official data here? How many thousands were there? Or hundreds of thousands? You refer only to a certain opinion of the so-called intelligentsia, which popularized it.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 16 December 2018 20: 02
          +1
          What are you referring to? When you say that Solzhenitsyn lied?
          And in general - how much do you need to recognize the fact of such a reading as significant?
          For example, some of yours claim that there was no repression. those who are smarter agree - yes they were, but they were few.
          I usually ask the same question. Little is how much? Because each of these singers personally needs only once.
          Do you propose to objectively evaluate these citizens who read? You are welcome.
          This is overwhelmingly residents of large cities with higher education, some with access and the ability to bring all this, others to print in the right amount.
          That is, objectively, those same people, the elite of Soviet society, on which it, the society, laid the main hopes for building socialism.

          As many fighters for truth express themselves here, we turn on the logic.
          And so, if Solzhenitsyn lied everything, and people read it anyway - therefore they were not very smart. That is, the Soviet education system raised them so - unable to distinguish truth from lies, ready to perceive everything negative about their country. That is, the system turned out to be bad, right?
          Or vice versa - Solzhenitsyn basically did not lie. Then all the more it turns out that the system is bad, because it could not in any way correct its shortcomings, covering them with ideological husks, in which people did not believe too much.
          1. stalki
            stalki 16 December 2018 20: 27
            0
            I mentioned to you the intelligentsia, which just created the opinion of the guru about him and you refer to it, the so-called elite. But you assess this elite as I understand it positively and trust their opinion, and I assess it negatively and rely on my assessment in this matter. And the society did not rely on the elite, in your opinion it is a support, but in my opinion it is egocentric natures, most of which are 90% approximately, lacking special talents and intelligence, of course there were talents, but count on fingers. I'm sorry with the phone. I write for a very long time. So society is used to relying on itself, the working class is the main support of the state. And the intelligentsia-elite is mainly lazy people, crumbs and state parasites. I apologize for being so rude. Therefore, you understand how I perceive your arguments. And I’ll spice it all up with the fact that the color of society, the real elite was under the tsar, before the revolution, it destroyed almost all of it. But there is no new such level and is not expected in the coming years. And at the expense of repression, this is a separate conversation, a very long one. All numbers can be found. And they are not as large as they usually say. And most of the reporters received with what is due due. Part of the innocent, and they were, those who interfered with someone, without vileness is necessary anywhere.
            1. Mestny
              Mestny 16 December 2018 20: 36
              0
              Yes, the fact of the matter is that not only some "state freeloaders." They are quite the builders of socialism — engineers and scientists. With freeloaders, everything is clear - in any system they will only do this.
              Here you are telling a part of the innocent that they were. Yes they were. The problem is that no one can really prove how many exactly there were. Interrogation protocol. or accusation - how can it be historically considered proof of guilt? Maybe yes, maybe not. Precisely taking into account the fact that "nowhere can be done without meanness."
              1. stalki
                stalki 16 December 2018 20: 56
                0
                Well, here the question is of course debatable, I am writing on the go, probably the last comment. From the position of the state, Stalin, repression is a necessary tool for cleaning the system of power and it worked properly. That time required drastic measures. And who came under the hand sad for no reason this is a tragedy, it is on the conscience of scoundrels. I don’t think there were a lot of them, of course this is not fair sad
                1. Mestny
                  Mestny 16 December 2018 21: 16
                  0
                  I, in turn, agree that it is not entirely true to erect monuments to such controversial historical characters. If, taking into account the mood in society (at least such as we see here on the site), she does it all the same - then the reason is still unclear to us. Because no matter what anyone says, all the same, the authorities do not try to cut down the branch on which they themselves are sitting. As practice shows, it is better to lead the country yourself than to destroy it and sell it out. Revenues from such an event may not be highly probable.
          2. kitt409
            kitt409 16 December 2018 20: 45
            +1
            Although including logic, although not including, I already wrote earlier - while there was nothing else widely available on this topic, we read, where coverage is even wider, with the Roman newspaper at least ...
            But when other sources appeared, oh how much it turned out - and what does the laureate write, it can be said softly with creep, and the texture is often lame, or are you seriously sure that he was only sitting? I once asked one of my relatives questions on this subject, which was there, and I remember well his reaction, alas, it cannot be expressed in print here ...
            1. Mestny
              Mestny 16 December 2018 20: 56
              0
              Was he there when? In the years 40-50?
              1. kitt409
                kitt409 16 December 2018 21: 28
                0
                for some reason he definitely remembered when he returned - he was at home in 1955.
  29. Conductor
    Conductor 16 December 2018 15: 00
    +1
    He is a pest !!!
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  31. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 16 December 2018 15: 54
    0
    Interesting comments - I have not read, but a traitor.
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 16 December 2018 17: 41
      0
      So you read. Pasternak is not necessary ((((
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 16 December 2018 17: 59
        +1
        Yes, I read. Moreover, I lived for a very long time in the conditions of the "gulag archipelago". We had camps and exiles. But I have a strong opinion - literature should be outside of every second politics. Sorry if that.
  32. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 16 December 2018 17: 00
    +1
    He is more likely from the kind of naive people who believe that the collapse of the existing state and building on its ruins a new, as it seems to them, more just - this is their noble mission. At the same time, they forget that such a break-up / perestroika carries so many deaths as the war again swept through the country. They do not notice that they are indiscriminately shouting at their improperly arranged country, condemning it to the same, in fact, torment in the future that the country has already experienced in the past and against which their inflamed mind of an intellectual who wishes the country a better fate rebels. This is said about them - the road to hell is paved with good intentions! That's about this creative intelligentsia, dreaming of the best, and we must always remember. hi
    1. Sergei71
      Sergei71 16 December 2018 19: 35
      0
      Thoughtfully. Hmm, there is something in your comment. "+".
    2. Mestny
      Mestny 16 December 2018 21: 25
      0
      This is not bad to remember and the current destroyers of an unjust state.
      Namely, that their road to good intentions will once again be watered with blood.
  33. Mestny
    Mestny 16 December 2018 17: 42
    -1
    Quote: Svarog
    I wonder why Ptuin loved him so much?

    Did he love him? I just said so - I love Solzhenitsyn, can’t eat?
    Or is it propaganda lies?
    1. kitt409
      kitt409 16 December 2018 19: 30
      0
      Waiting for help with printing?) Well, well ...
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 16 December 2018 20: 41
        0
        No, why. I’m waiting for the link to the video where he confesses his love is accepted.
        I am sure that with your experience in searching the Internet, you can easily find it. Well, that would not be not a very truthful person, like Solzhenitsyn.
        1. kitt409
          kitt409 16 December 2018 21: 06
          0
          What is easier - was present at the opening of the monument on December 11? Present, and what other confirmations are needed ???) Ч.Т.Д.
          1. Mestny
            Mestny 16 December 2018 21: 18
            0
            And what, should not, as the head of state?
            1. kitt409
              kitt409 16 December 2018 21: 31
              0
              What did he mean by this and to whom I can only speculate, but to send someone instead could easily ... at least DAM)
  34. Senior manager
    Senior manager 16 December 2018 18: 59
    +1
    None. Detail of the technological chain for the collapse of the USSR. Amerzky banner of anti-communism. People like Solzhenitsyn, Gorbachev, Yeltsin have already appreciated modern history. You don’t even have to wait a hundred years. All the processes in public life have accelerated immeasurably.
  35. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 16 December 2018 19: 25
    +1
    Traitor! Traitor! Traitor!
  36. Sergei71
    Sergei71 16 December 2018 19: 33
    0
    And the question is in the title of the article why? It’s clear that you are a traitor. Read and analyze the biography a bit and come to the conclusion that the traitor is not once.
  37. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 16 December 2018 19: 39
    0
    Quote: St. Propulsion
    None. Detail of the technological chain for the collapse of the USSR. Amerzky banner of anti-communism. People like Solzhenitsyn, Gorbachev, Yeltsin have already appreciated modern history. You don’t even have to wait a hundred years. All the processes in public life have accelerated immeasurably.

    Well, they cannot be put in one row, although all of them, to the extent of their "talents", contributed to the collapse of the country - to each his own! hi
  38. Berkut24
    Berkut24 16 December 2018 20: 24
    +1
    The fact that a traitor - no doubt. But about the GDP, which sings deferamby and Solzhenitsyn and Alekseeva has already begun to doubt.
  39. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 17 December 2018 00: 43
    +2
    Is Solzhenitsyn a patriot or a traitor?
    By neighing from the heart!
    People voting for Solzhenitsyn in the elections! They wonder why, it happens to them as in their wet dreams of the USSR in the stories of this very Solzhenitsyn ... PARADOX! laughing
  40. Klaus
    Klaus 17 December 2018 10: 09
    +3
    Wake up at last, perhaps ...
    - Traitors are real, those who ran and watched Solzhenitsyn and Sakharov, as well as hairy rockers and farmers. But in the end, enchantingly about ... they fuked the whole country, since under their very noses they did not see elephants in the high authorities' offices ...
  41. lot
    lot 17 December 2018 10: 43
    +2
    The country's main enemy is Monstrous corruption and theft.
    Witch-hunt is exactly what our enemies need. to divert eyes.
  42. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 17 December 2018 11: 42
    +1
    For those who yesterday hosted "Sunday News" across Russia 1 and erected a monument to Solzhenitsyn - he is a hero, but for me an enemy. Maybe someone has a different opinion?
  43. EXPrompt
    EXPrompt 17 December 2018 12: 38
    +1
    The traitor is unambiguous, and the writer is so-so form of presentation does not stand up to criticism, it is difficult to read.
    There is an opinion that the presentation form is chosen so specifically to push through the nonsense.
  44. Victorio
    Victorio 17 December 2018 22: 42
    0
    the topic rises with enviable regularity
  45. Nulgorod
    Nulgorod 18 December 2018 00: 58
    +1
    Definitely a traitor. And conscious, unconscious or "confused" is not the point. It is necessary to judge by specific actions and their consequences, and let the investigators dig into the motives soldier
  46. Brigadier
    Brigadier 25 December 2018 09: 30
    0
    It’s a pity that Solzhenitsin at one time did not caress the prisoners or the guards in the camp ...
    Oh, what a pity ... Overlooked ... request recourse No.

    But Putin respects both Solzhenitsyn and Alekseev ... and others ... like them ...
    Does the KGB man respect them ?! One involuntarily wants to ask him: "Who are you, Putin?"
  47. AB
    AB 7 January 2019 11: 38
    +1
    Traitor to 100%. He always wanted to ride a white horse into a defeated CCC.
  48. seacap
    seacap 7 January 2019 12: 12
    +1
    A traitor who should be convicted, and the relevant court decision put a specific point in the discussion of this person. By the way, this should also apply to the personalities of the late 80s and 90s, all those who participated in the assassination of the state, organization without precedent robbery of the country and people in the history of mankind, the destruction of millions of people.
  49. kaban7
    kaban7 7 January 2019 13: 40
    +1
    Poganets he - what else to call? He disgraced his own country, his people ...
  50. Antor
    Antor 9 January 2019 14: 58
    +1
    Solzhenitsyn did not fight against Stalin, he fought against the USSR and his contribution to the collapse of Russia is undeniable! He received the Nobel Prize for this contribution and he is definitely a traitor in my eyes, who helped the West to defame our country with all his strength !!