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American suicide bombers. How America tested atomic bombs on its military

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Liberals and representatives of many Western NGOs and various types of funds for many years with enviable consistency reminded us of the "nuclear" exercises at the Totskoy testing ground in the Orenburg region and at the Semipalatinsk training ground, where ground and airborne troops (the last in Semipalatinsk), as well as pilots The USSR Air Force was exposed to the damaging factors of the nuclear weapons.


American suicide bombers. How America tested atomic bombs on its military

US marines rise in training attack towards the epicenter of the atomic explosion

The usual epithets applied to these teachings were “criminal”, “monstrous” and so on.

True, in recent years, the gentlemen mentioned have died down. And the reason is simple: there are more and more information about similar experiments in the USA in the press, and at the moment there are so many of them, and they are such that to any person at least somehow connected with the USA (and for the “liberals” the USA is central the symbol of their religious cult, through which they compensate for their psychosexual pathologies - it is worth knowing that there are no normal people among Russian liberals) it is better to be silent about it.

But we are not liberals and we will not be silent. Today - a story about how the United States experimented on its military, and how it ended.

After receiving data on the consequences of strikes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the US command and command of the US armed forces became keenly interested in the accumulation of statistics on the real effects of the damaging factors of a nuclear explosion. The easiest way to get such information was to expose your own soldiers to the action of these very factors. Then there was another epoch, and the value of human life was incommensurable with today's. But the Americans did everything in such a way that even by that strict standard of being it was a bust.

1 July 1946, on the Bikini Atoll, Marshall Islands, as part of the Eble Test (ABLE), the atomic bomb “Gilda” dropped from the B-29 bomber was exploded. Thus began the operation "Crossroads" ("Crossroads").

Much has been written about this event, but the main thing has been “behind the scenes” for many years. After the explosions, specially designated crews in tugboats entered the zone of infection and stole ships. Also, specially selected servicemen took experimental animals and their bodies from irradiated ships (there were quite a few of them). But the first time the American cannon fodder was lucky - the bomb fell past the designated epicenter, and the infection was not very strong.

The second explosion, Baker (BAKER), was performed on July 25. This time the bomb was strengthened on the landing ship. And again, the crews of the auxiliary vessels moved into the zone of contamination, extinguished the burning aircraft carriers (they placed aircraft with fuel on board the aircraft carriers), the divers descended into the radioactive mud left at the site of the explosion ...

This time there was a complete "order" with radiation.

The sailors were not given any protective equipment, not even glasses, they simply were told in words to shut their eyes with their hands on command. A flash flashed through the palms and people saw their bones through closed eyelids.

It is necessary to say nevertheless that the “Crossroads” did not set as its task to bring people under the blow - it was simply impossible to pull out the necessary samples in another way. But people came under this blow. And, apparently, then the American "helmsmen" and realized what resource they have in the form of young patriots. People who are not afraid of anything and believe in America.

It took some time to make all the necessary decisions, and on November 1 of 1951, IT began.

In theory, then it was already known that nuclear explosions, to put it mildly, are not useful to humans. But details were needed, and the soldiers were to obtain these details.

Before the tests, the troops underwent psychological treatment. Young soldiers were told how cool it was - an atomic explosion, they explained that they would get impressions that they would not get anywhere else, they said that they would have a chance to participate in historical photo against the background of an atomic mushroom, such that few people can then boast. They were told that the fear of radiation is irrational. And the soldiers believed.


Marines pose against a nuclear explosion.

Some particularly brave people were motivated to “take on a special responsibility” and take positions as close as possible to the epicenter of a future explosion. They, unlike all others, were given glasses to protect their eyes. Sometimes.

Here's what these events looked like.

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Those units of participants who lived to the time when it was possible to tell about everything, said that there were politicians, congressmen, generals in the ordeals, but they were several times farther from the explosions than the soldiers.

In elite circles, the first trials gave rise to a discussion about how widely American soldiers can be used for experiments, and how “deeply” they can be motivated to participate in such experiments. And if the facts of these human trials are known today, very little is still known about the debate in the highest echelons of power.

"Teachings" in the meantime were in full.


A pair of marines looking at an atomic explosion.

In the course of the aforementioned exercises of Desert Rock I (“Desert Rock 1”) from 1 in November 1951, 11 thousands of military men watched an atomic explosion of more than 18 kilotons, then some forces made a walking march towards the epicenter with a stop and departure at one kilometer away from him.


Nuclear explosion surveillance

Eighteen days later, in the course of the Desert Rock II experiment, the troops were already eight kilometers away, and they were making throws right through the epicenter. True, the bomb here was much weaker - just 1,2 kilotons.

Ten days later - Desert Rock III. Ten thousand military, 6,4 kilometers from the epicenter, foot marches through the epicenter two hours after the explosion, personal protective equipment was not used even in the epicenter.

But that was only the beginning. Five months later, in April, 1952-th, the conveyor of death really earned.

Desert Rock IV. From April 22 to June 1 there are four tests (32, 19, 15, 11 kilotons), compounds up to 8500 people, various “tests”. In principle, it was already necessary to dwell on this, in the USSR all the necessary information was collected for practically one test (the second time, at the Semipalatinsk training ground, only the possibility of landing an airborne landing was checked, while several hundred people were involved, no more). But the Americans did not stop.

It is impossible to get rid of the feeling that at a certain moment these tests turned into human sacrifices.

Desert Rock V began even before the “fourths”, 17 in March, 1952, ended in 4 in June of the same year. 18000 people were subjected to 11 atomic explosions, with an equivalent of 0,2 to 61 kilotons. Thirty-nine minutes after the last, most powerful explosion, with the equivalent of 61 kiloton, an air force of 1334 man was landed in its epicenter.

From 18 February to 15 in May 1955-th - Desert rock VI. Eight thousand people were exposed to fifteen explosions from 1 to 15 kilotons.

The last for the army and marines was a series of explosions in 1957, which was held under the general title "Operation Plumbbob". From 28 May to 7 in October 1957, 16000 people were subjected to 29 explosions with TNT equivalent from 0,3 to 74 kilotons.


Attack!

At this point, the Pentagon decided that there was nothing more to take from the infantry. Now, with statistics, there should have been a full order, at least many tens of thousands of people were irradiated from different distances by explosions of different strength, they ran through the epicenter with their feet, landed in them from helicopters and parachutes, including the still hot before the burns from the outbreak the ground, breathing radioactive dust, including on the forced march, caught the “bunnies” in the open space, in the trenches, and all this was mostly even without glasses for the eyes, not to mention gas masks that never fell into one frame in all these years. It was impossible to do something else with the soldiers, only to fry them for real, but the American commanders didn’t go for it, it wouldn’t be possible later, to maintain loyalty among the troops.

The fact that all the explosions were airborne, apparently, is not worth it.

However, America still had people from whom it was possible to take tribute for living in the greatest country in the world — sailors.

By that time, the statistics on “Crossroads” had already been processed, and, in principle, it was clear that radiation was doing to a man on a ship at sea.

But, unfortunately for the American sailors, their command needed more detailed statistics, needed details about the people under the ship's lining. It’s not enough just to know that the radiation kills, and after what time it kills. It’s advisable to get the details - how much radiation, for example, can a crew of a destroyer endure? And the aircraft carrier? The ships are different, and it is worth irradiating everyone, otherwise the statistics will be incorrect. And who would die earlier, a sailor from a small ship or a big one? Does everyone have different health? So more people are needed, then individual differences statistics will not spoil.

At the end of April, 1958 of the year started the operation Hardtrack (“Heavy Track”). The route was given by a participant really hard. From 28 April to 18 August 1958, on the atolls of Bikini, Evenet, and Johnston Island, the US Navy exposed its personnel to 35 atomic explosions, one of which was classified as “weak”, and the rest were TNT equivalent between 18 kilotons, up to 8,9 megatons. Of all these explosions, two charges were underwater, two were launched on a rocket and exploded at high altitude over ships with people, three floated on the surface of the water, one was suspended above ships with experimental crews on a balloon, and the rest were trite on the barge launched into the sea.


US military watching the atomic explosion, 1958

As with ground tests, no one was equipped with personal protective equipment. The servicemen who were near the portholes and on the shore were told to close their eyes with their hands.

Dozens of ships of various classes, including the Boxer aircraft carrier, were exposed to radiation.


Wayne brooks He was an artilleryman from the destroyer "De Haven", who was exposed to twenty-seven atomic explosions and one radioactive rain. He suffered from numerous severe lung and larynx diseases, skin diseases and prostate cancer. Despite this, he was still alive in 2016 in his 75 years. For many years, the US government has consistently denied him and all the other participants in the “experiments” any kind of help.

The third major category in which the US experimented with radiation was military pilots. However, everything was very simple here: the pilot or the crew of the aircraft, on which the experiment was set, simply received an order to fly through the explosion clouds. There were no special separate exercises for the Air Force — no explosions in Nevada, in the fifties, were enough for everyone.

In addition, there were scuba divers who needed to go down into the water immediately after the explosion, while it was still hot, the crews of the submarines participated in the experiments, and of course, the service personnel, those who then buried the corpses of animals killed by the explosions, covered the funnels. None of them had ever been provided with any personal protective equipment, only a small number of military personnel sometimes received glasses to protect their eyes from a flash. No more.

Even China under Mao Zedong treated his soldiers more humanely. Factor of. About the USSR and not talking.

By the end of the fifties the harvest was gathered. Almost 400 000 thousands of troops were exposed to radiation in conditions close to combat. All of them were taken into account, and in the future they were constantly monitored. For each participant, statistics were carried out - what kind of bomb and when it was subjected, what hurts, how much is above average in its age group among people who have not been subjected to experiments.

These statistics were kept on virtually every member of the military who participated in the experiments until their death, which, for obvious reasons, often did not keep them waiting.

Each participant in the tests was warned that the combat task they were carrying out was secret, that this secrecy was indefinite and that disclosure of information about what was happening would qualify as a state crime.

Simply put, the soldiers and sailors should have been silent about everything. At the same time, none of these hundreds of thousands of military were told what they were involved in and what it is potentially fraught with. These people, after discovering a tumor or leukemia, came to the whole people themselves, understanding the causal relationships between the fungoid clouds in their youth and a pair of different cancers at the same time in maturity.

However, the US government refused to help them and did not recognize the victims during military service. This continued until the vast majority of participants in the experiments did not die.

Only in the late eighties, veterans carefully began to gather and communicate with each other. By the year 1990, semi-legal associations and societies began to form from those who could live to that time. At the same time, they still nothing and nobody could tell. In 1995, US President Bill Clinton carefully began to mention these soldiers in public speeches, and in 1996, information about human trials was declassified and Clinton apologized on behalf of the United States.

But it is still not known exactly how many were there. Four hundred thousand is an estimate of 2016 of the year, but, for example, in 2009, researchers carefully called the figure of thirty-six thousand people. So perhaps there were even more. Today, after everything became clear and secrecy has been removed, these people are called “atomic veterans” (atomic veterans). There are only a few of them left, most likely, a few hundred people.

This story is indicative not only of the absolutely transcendent, inhuman cruelty with which American politicians and generals are able to deal with their fellow citizens, but also how much the average American citizen is able to maintain loyalty to his government.

Before 1988, all “atomic veterans” were excluded from any benefit programs, the US Government basically refused to help the former military who suffered from radiation, demanding from them evidence that their illness was caused by radioactive contamination.

However, in 1988, Congress agreed that the 13 of different forms of cancer in the former military is a consequence of their exposure to radioactive contamination in military service, and the government must pay for the treatment of these forms of cancer. In all other cases, the disease continued to remain a private affair of the patient. In 2016, the number of cancers that are covered by government support reached 21. At the same time, evidence is needed that the patient took part in atomic tests as an experimental subject, otherwise there will be no preferential treatment, only for money. Other diseases are still not considered the consequences of radiation and the patient should treat them himself in any case.

Also, only “experimental” ones fall into the preferential groups; those who, for example, were engaged in cleaning up radioactive contamination, decontamination, and the like, have no rights or privileges. Officially.

The latest “broad gesture” from the American authorities to the “atomic veterans” was the assignment of disability pensions to them - from 130 to 2900 dollars per month, depending on the severity of the condition of the disabled person. Naturally, the status of a disabled person must be justified and proved. On the other hand, after his death, the spouse may receive this pension on himself.

And most importantly, having allowed some benefits, the American government did nothing to inform anyone about it. Most of the "atomic veterans" simply did not know that they were owed something and simply died of illness, never knowing that it was possible to receive treatment at the expense of the state or a pension. And, the cherry on top - the Pentagon lost a huge number of personal files of "experimental", or pretended to have lost, and now, in order to receive benefits, the veteran must prove that he participated in the tests as a test subject.

All these things, however, in a very weak degree, undermined the loyalty of both ex-test subjects and their families to the American state. Firstly, it is very significant how persistently the participants in the events were silent about everything. They were told to remain silent, and they were silent for at least forty years. We beat thresholds in veteran affairs organizations, trying to get help in treatment, but getting rejected, died of cancer, leukemia, heart disease - and didn’t tell anyone. They did not say when sick children were born to them.

Secondly, basically, they are still patriots. With all the horror of how they managed their state (and in fact in those years there was a conscript army in America), they are still proud of their service.

However, there is nothing left for them anymore, the Americans cannot doubt America as such, it is practically Orwellian thought-crime that can cause the collapse of identity. Even the journalists who describe this forty-year-old oblivion of people, from which they made guinea pigs, do not allow even unfriendly intonation to the US authorities, and, apparently, sincerely.

We, in Russia, still need to start trying to probe the limits of their loyalty. To search for the line beyond which the American will begin to view the government as an enemy, so that later it will be possible to sow hostility in their homes, to undermine faith in America’s goodness and good intentions. The example of "nuclear veterans" shows that it is not so simple, but the farther away, the more reasons the US government will give, and we must try.

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Photos used:
Nevada Field Office, Assosiated Press, US Department of Defense, Courtesy Of Wayne Brooks, Courtesy Of National Nuclear Security Administration
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  1. kalibr
    kalibr 16 December 2018 07: 14
    -34
    The degenerate seeks and finds examples of the worst in the world to justify itself: I was not the first to start doing this! I just joined the established practice!
    1. Jerk
      Jerk 16 December 2018 14: 45
      +12
      I must say that in all cases, except for the atomic bombing of cities, which they began to do, the United States was these very degenerates. The clearest example is 9/11, which led to the blood-drenched Arab world ... Excuse - we just answered ...
    2. hohol95
      hohol95 16 December 2018 23: 37
      +4
      There will be gentle rain, there will be the smell of earth,
      Twitter brisk swifts from dawn to dusk,
      And the night roulades of frogs in the ponds,
      And plum blossoms in the white orchards.
      The fire-chested ball will fly to the fence,
      And robins trill weave voiced pattern.
      And no one and no one will remember the war -
      Experienced, forgotten, tedious to nothing.
      And neither a bird nor a willow will shed tears,
      If the human race disappears from Earth.
      And spring ... and spring will meet a new dawn,
      Not noticing that we are no longer there.
    3. Alex_59
      Alex_59 17 December 2018 08: 46
      +8
      Quote: kalibr
      The degenerate seeks and finds examples of the worst in the world to justify itself: I was not the first to start doing this! I just joined the established practice!
      The analogy is not appropriate, because The USSR did not resort to this practice of conducting exercises with nuclear weapons, nor did it use nuclear weapons in a combat situation. All this was done only in the USA.
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 19 December 2018 17: 43
        0
        My father took part in such exercises. Then the people had no idea about radiation and even though there was an order: "to make a march in the GASES." Soldiers cheated and lifted their masks to breathe fresh air and what it could mean, NOBODY KNEW
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 17 December 2018 11: 14
      +5
      Quote: kalibr
      The degenerate seeks and finds examples of the worst in the world to justify itself: I was not the first to start doing this! I just joined the established practice!

      In fact, the person you designate usually tries to find the worst examples of the past of his country and judge them on the basis of contemporary ideas, which gives him the opportunity to feel like a wise guru "all in white" teaching ancestors. in other countries, he does not pay attention.
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    5. trahterist
      trahterist 17 December 2018 12: 54
      +1
      When the exercises were held in Totsk, would you remind me?
      How would later, not?
      HOW MUCH were the exercises in Totsk?

      Well, who is the degenerate here ??
    6. Whowhy
      Whowhy 3 March 2019 19: 21
      0
      I agree! "You can't wash yourself with dirt."
      A friend of mine served in the Navy in the Far East and told how soldiers from the construction battalion (mainly Tajiks, Uzbeks, etc.) were forced to carry spent fuel rods from an atomic submarine to the shore (without protection - in some jackets, and even without mittens ) There, they (fuel elements, of course) were cut by masters by gas welding (at the same time, they worked in special isolated suits and for a very limited time).
  2. bubalik
    bubalik 16 December 2018 09: 08
    +2
    ,,, medal established,

    ,, by the way there is still 22 000 -th contingent of British servicemen participated in the exercises ,,
  3. mitchhunter
    mitchhunter 16 December 2018 09: 13
    +2
    Quote: kalibr
    The degenerate seeks and finds examples of the worst in the world to justify itself: I was not the first to start doing this! I just joined the established practice!

    There are a lot of degenerates everywhere. And with us and in Pinto. The only question is the punishment they deserve. When and to what extent.
    1. Pivot
      Pivot 16 December 2018 13: 54
      +4
      That's for sure, in my opinion, you don’t need to say how they have it there, whether it’s good or bad, you should always work to ensure that it is good with us. And then I remember my godfather, the deceased every year at the medical board confirmed that he had diabetes, and he spoke to me okay, but there were people without limbs who came to show that the hand did not grow, so do not blame the West if we have everything very bad.
  4. Salomet
    Salomet 16 December 2018 09: 32
    +3
    The article is written in negative tones, the author does not take into account that statistics have been collected on the combat effectiveness of formations in a nuclear war. Forgive me, but now it's hard for me to imagine how there will be no survivors after a nuclear war. I think this is where the danger lies.
    I give my author my vision of American patriotism, they believe in the dollar! That showing the dollar in any country in the world they will get what they want. If you want to rock America, swing the dollar. hi
    1. timokhin-aa
      16 December 2018 21: 00
      0
      Estimates of the Russian Federation's losses from an American nuclear strike "by all means" are 100-130 million at the time of the attack and 8-20 million over the next two weeks.
      1. Alf
        Alf 16 December 2018 21: 30
        0
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        Estimates of the Russian Federation's losses from an American nuclear strike "by all means" are 100-130 million at the time of the attack and 8-20 million over the next two weeks.

        Those. ALL !
        1. timokhin-aa
          16 December 2018 21: 39
          +1
          We have. There is no Amer, there is less loss due to the dispersal of the population in the suburbs, which results in a 50% survivor after about a year.
          1. Alf
            Alf 16 December 2018 22: 03
            +2
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            We

            In this case, I only care about my ... I do not care about Amers. But even if they partially survive, then very soon the living will envy the dead. Nobody has canceled the blue glow.
            1. timokhin-aa
              17 December 2018 14: 56
              -1
              Well, just not. Due to the uniform dispersal of people throughout the United States, they will indeed be mowed by radiation and will kill about twice as many as explosions. About 100 million for the first post-war year.

              But the rest will survive. This is a problem, by the way. In a critical situation, they can afford such losses. We are not, we will disappear after this.
              1. Alf
                Alf 17 December 2018 18: 16
                0
                Quote: timokhin-aa
                But the rest will survive.

                They will not survive. The fact is that even if someone survives, especially in small towns, what will they eat? A breeze will be walking throughout the territory. Industry will also be lowered below ground level, and in small towns in the states of the real industry there never has been. The entire economic life of the United States is concentrated on the West and East coasts, on which they will beat.
              2. NordUral
                NordUral 23 December 2018 11: 55
                0
                And what will they be, survivors, timokhin-aa?
        2. Alf
          Alf 18 December 2018 19: 39
          +1
          Quote: Alf
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          Estimates of the Russian Federation's losses from an American nuclear strike "by all means" are 100-130 million at the time of the attack and 8-20 million over the next two weeks.

          Those. ALL !

          Who disagreed ran?
      2. acetophenone
        acetophenone 16 December 2018 21: 34
        -2
        The price of such estimates is shit. If briefly.
        It’s like the conditional sarin is so poisonous that a kilogram can kill an entire city. Etc.
        1. timokhin-aa
          16 December 2018 21: 41
          +2
          These are service marks, not for the press. Reflect a missed first strike scenario. We have a very crowded population. In Moscow alone with the suburbs, 10% of the population of the Russian Federation lives, and approximately 50 warheads are brought in there.
          1. acetophenone
            acetophenone 16 December 2018 21: 47
            +2
            I have VUS 111000 in my military ID. It’s easy to guess that they didn’t teach me from the articles in the journal "Technics - Youth".
            But in fact - first of all, you need to think with YOUR head.
            Why should conditional Americans destroy 4/5 of the entire population?
            Think for yourself, what is war for?
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 16 December 2018 22: 54
              0
              Quote: acetophenon
              Think for yourself, what is war for?
              .
              Unfortunately, not everyone thinks like you. I am with you! "So that there is no war." And for this, there must be an armored train on the side track ..
              He served as an conscript. ALL, without exception, exercises occurred if the enemy used nuclear, or chemical, or bacteriological weapons. Why would you know how to act in such conditions? Must know!wink
              PS Once on "VO" I asked the question: "Will a gas mask save you from carbon dioxide?" wink
            2. Mih1974
              Mih1974 17 December 2018 00: 34
              +1
              For example, then - why did they essentially destroy "their" Iraq, almost "their" Egypt was almost left to the mercenary geeks of the terrorist, since the Egyptians managed to change their minds and put them against the wall. fool It has long been said that the United States needs the "destroyed" whole World so that they have time to carry out "perestroika" and go through the crisis, otherwise someone can take their place in the World Leaders and not let them go back and not allow them to continue to rob the world as it is now. Well, they are considering a war against Russia simply because they simply do not have another military enemy (nuclear) and "the root cause or purpose does not matter here - they got into Vietnam because of drunkenness.
            3. Petrograd
              Petrograd 17 December 2018 00: 39
              0
              Quote: acetophenon

              I have VUS 111000 in my military ID. It’s easy to guess that they didn’t teach me from the articles in the journal "Technics - Youth".
              But in fact - first of all, you need to think with YOUR head.
              Why should conditional Americans destroy 4/5 of the entire population?
              Think for yourself, what is war for?

              For the destruction of the enemy population, and the seizure of their property, territories, natural wealth, the establishment of Rules and Laws in favor of the established authority, for the complete moral and physical destruction of the indigenous population, for the subsequent benefit (margin) - for owners of autocratic land plots. Koi should be split up (divide and conquer) and vicegerent and dependent political persons with low social responsibility should be appointed viceroy.
          2. Alex_59
            Alex_59 17 December 2018 09: 04
            0
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            10% of the population of the Russian Federation lives in Moscow and its suburbs, and approximately 50 warheads are directed there.
            But this is the only city in the Russian Federation that is covered by a real operational missile defense. It’s difficult to take into account how much RGCh will actually break through missile defense.
            1. timokhin-aa
              17 December 2018 14: 58
              0
              Lot. In the Cold War, something about 64 BR was induced in Moscow and the regions of the ATP troops around. All with MIRV. This does not discourage.
          3. NordUral
            NordUral 23 December 2018 11: 57
            -1
            timokhin-aa! The intention of "our" authorities to move almost the entire population of Russia to large cities looks very strange then.
            1. timokhin-aa
              26 December 2018 13: 25
              0
              Yes, my eyes rebelled this decision.
      3. Alex_59
        Alex_59 17 December 2018 09: 09
        0
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        Estimates of the Russian Federation's losses from an American nuclear strike "by all means" are 100-130 million at the time of the attack and 8-20 million over the next two weeks.

        Weakly believe in it. In addition to large cities with a population of more than 1 million people, the US goals have always been the starting positions of the silos of the Strategic Missile Forces to weaken the retaliatory strike. These silos are located in fairly sparsely populated areas. And in general, one third of our population lives in villages and towns that are unlikely to be affected.
        1. timokhin-aa
          17 December 2018 14: 59
          0
          The fact is that when they hit the silo, they plan to resort to ground blasts of warheads. And from this there is a certain environmental effect.

          They considered it all.
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 17 December 2018 15: 19
            0
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            They considered it all.
            Well, I doubt something. The ground explosion is certainly dirtier than the air (after the air in the epicenter, after a couple of days you can safely be without protective equipment). But not so much that immediately 100 million people died instantly. In the area where I live there was just a missile division. 2 / 3 of its positions was in the deep taiga, where even now almost no households are conducted. activity. Of course, there is nothing good in infecting this territory, but I think the results of this infection will appear in descendants rather than at once someone will die.
    2. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 21 December 2018 23: 15
      0
      The fears "there will be no survivors" have nothing to do with the statistics of combat effectiveness and are explained by the fact that during a war a lot of dust will enter the atmosphere, which will lead to a global short-term (for several years) cooling.
      The main danger is hunger. Even the thinnest snow layer, 0,5-1 mm, lying year-round, will lead to the fact that the plants stop growing, pollinating insects die.
      There is a well-founded, for example, excavation of archaeologists, statistical dependence between fluctuations in the dustiness of the atmosphere, temperature, and hunger.
      If the war is not so large-scale, more people will survive and then you will have to deal with no less unpleasant consequences - whole epidemics of cancer and hereditary diseases; Moreover, in the context of a sharp decline in post-war living standards and medicine, all survivors and their immediate descendants will become "nuclear veterans."
  5. faiver
    faiver 16 December 2018 09: 37
    +3
    I understand that all countries possessing nuclear weapons have gone through this, someone to a greater extent, someone to a lesser extent ...
    1. timokhin-aa
      16 December 2018 20: 59
      +4
      Yes, but the US has surpassed everyone. The USSR carried out one mass test and one exercise of approximately battalion scale. In all cases, people had at least gas masks, the movement of military columns to the epicenter was forbidden, the troops conducting the training attack were in armored vehicles, did not dismount, before the "attack", radio reconnaissance was carried out on specially equipped tanks, special devices fired off flags-markers from the tanks to indicate dangerous zones, a training attack began 4 hours after the explosion, etc.

      Then the landing of two hundred people in Semipalatinsk, but not in the epicenter, and with a quick evacuation.

      They didn’t do anything like that anymore; they didn’t want to ruin people, especially since everything was clear from the results of the exercises in the Totsk camps.
  6. Konstantin Shevchenko
    Konstantin Shevchenko 16 December 2018 10: 00
    -1
    Videos that are declassified can create a "disservice", the illusion that a nuclear explosion is not so dangerous, people survive the main means of defense to have. Although modern charges are about 10 times more powerful. Probably tests were carried out with special equipment?
  7. 1810BM86
    1810BM86 16 December 2018 10: 30
    +3
    Yes, I have heard about this for a long time. And in general, somehow I can't believe that the creation of their nuclear industry took place without disasters. Sooner or later it will become clear for sure how their conscripts did something like “shoveling nuclear fuel back into the destroyed reactor”. Maybe not on the scale of Chernobyl, but everything should have taken place there.
    1. Digital error
      Digital error 16 December 2018 20: 09
      +1
      And in general, as it is hard for me to believe that the creation of their nuclear industry took place without catastrophes.

      Right. Let me read the LA-13638 report of the Los Alamos nuclear laboratory in Russian https://www.libfox.ru/369406-tomas-maklaflin-obzor-yadernyh-avariy-s-vozniknoveniem-stsr-la-13638.html
      In general, the history of the question, however curious, is so instructive. The Americans even lost several nuclear warheads. Yes, yes, they stupidly lost, and a few more nuclear warheads fell on residential buildings, but did not explode.
  8. srha
    srha 16 December 2018 11: 14
    -2
    The author is not a "liberal", but somehow one-sided, like that flux in Kozma Prutkov. I myself, according to the VUS, was from the disposable troops - they knew perfectly well what for what and completely gave a damn about it, so the fathers-commanders only had time to hand out uh ... gifts, because they would have been demoted, if anything. And there is no need to enter into polemics with provocateurs like: "50 years ago, the USSR carried out Operation Snowball: 43 Soviet soldiers died," - they just need to be beaten with official documents right away, like this: "September 000, 17, in the newspaper Pravda a short news report from TASS was published, in which it SPEAKED:

    “In accordance with the plan of research and experimental work in the last days in the Soviet Union, a test of one of the types of atomic weapons was carried out. The purpose of the test was to study the effects of an atomic explosion. During the test, valuable results were obtained that will help Soviet scientists and engineers successfully solve the problems of protecting against an atomic attack. "" (Tereshchenko A.S.)

    And about the harm imaginary and true. Here is a video of five military men standing in 1957 at the epicenter of an air nuclear explosion in Nevada (2 ctn, 5639 m), the sixth operator. The "poor fellows" served normally, retired, and most, according to the operator in 2010, who gave an interview to the newspaper, died of cancer only after many, many years (Operation Plumbbob wiki https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0% 9E% D0% BF% D0% B5% D1% 80% D0% B0% D1% 86% D0% B8% D1% 8F_Plumbbob #% D0% 98% D1% 81% D0% BF% D1% 8B% D1% 82 % D0% B0% D0% BD% D0% B8% D0% B5_% D0% BD% D0% B0_% D0% BB% D1% 8E% D0% B4% D1% 8F% D1% 85) I.e. four (with the operator) died in the 21st century at the age of 80?
    1. Konstantin Shevchenko
      Konstantin Shevchenko 16 December 2018 11: 52
      +3
      And your video is generally propagandistic, "a nuclear explosion is not so terrible," you can start a war. Although there are two cameras, and there is no explosion in the background, in one place the flash does not say anything. That is why people like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortes are recruited into the Congress, who will easily start JV.
      1. srha
        srha 16 December 2018 12: 24
        -1
        Lord, why so much infantilism? You, advocating not "propaganda", what have you done in this direction? Can you calculate the dose received and evaluate the biological effect? And we counted. And you are worried that the cameras were not there, they did not catch the officers against the background of the "vigorous" explosion. And the concept of exposure (necessary for filming when there are no gadgets thinking for you) did not work out in your head, because if you knew the difference in the required exposure between an air explosion and the environment, taking into account the photographic latitude of the film, you would not write so.

        And the nuclear war did not start not because the idiots (this is about Cortes) were afraid / not afraid of it, but because the rational knew, were able and showed the world (well, with the exception of a few secrets) what and how they would do in a nuclear war .
        1. Konstantin Shevchenko
          Konstantin Shevchenko 16 December 2018 14: 18
          +4
          This video with joyful faces, obviously for domestic consumption, convinces US Army soldiers of the security of participation. In the video presented to the authors, the shell fit, the soldiers and the explosion. I did not conduct any research, and from your words, yes, tell me interestingly.
          And we thought
          . I did not criticize or blame you. This is not you doing or recording. And he expressed an opinion about this video and the possible consequences of distribution on the network. And that such as psaki easily start a war. What is wrong and immediately minus?
          1. Lozovik
            Lozovik 16 December 2018 20: 06
            +1
            Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko
            This video with joyful faces, clearly for domestic consumption

            In general, yes, a demonstration of the safety of using air-to-air missiles with a special warhead directly above the United States.

            Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko
            In the video presented to the authors, the shell fit, the soldiers and the explosion.

            With the explosion that occurred 4,5 km above the observers, it’s more complicated ...
            1. Konstantin Shevchenko
              Konstantin Shevchenko 16 December 2018 21: 21
              +1
              I don’t understand what kind of adherence to this video, then didn’t know what editing is? Have you personally controlled? If you search on the Internet, it will probably be a description of what the video is for and how. I got the impression that different shooting times. I am convinced that for domestic consumption, a very propaganda montage. Well, let it be really 5 people under the explosion. But I think the movie reduces the fear of a nuclear explosion. Here's another minus post laughing
          2. srha
            srha 17 December 2018 05: 16
            -1
            The minus is not mine. And caused, I think, not by me, but by your attitude to words and deeds.

            I'll try to explain.

            Propaganda, literally, “subject to dissemination,” implies the spread of faith, rarely faith in knowledge (there is practically no time in advertising for knowledge of knowledge). This video shows fact, not faith. This means not just propaganda, but the fight against false prejudices through the dissemination of knowledge. And you are among the supporters of prejudices, because you criticize the "video". And in a strange way you think that prejudices save the world.

            And
            Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko
            the shell fit, the soldiers and the explosion.
            Do you understand what you said? I'm not really. In video filming, the concept of "angle" means the position of the camera in relation to the subject (point of view) and to apply the term "fit" to the point of view is somehow not about that. In addition, there are two scenes in the video (explosion and soldiers), two cameras and not a single frame with an angle where these scenes would intersect (yours "fit" - as I understand it), and changing scenes is not an intersection of angles.

            Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko
            This video with happy faces,
            I wonder if you survived a nuclear explosion at the epicenter - would you cry? Quite normal emotions.
            1. Konstantin Shevchenko
              Konstantin Shevchenko 17 December 2018 09: 36
              -1
              It’s visible on the video and I was embarrassed, lozovik claims the air-to-air or air-to-air rocket - the land fired by a jet plane with YaB, is it like in the 50s? Second flew away
              per frame. How can you confirm that the video is not a directorial production? To claim false or prejudice in the case. If you have your own knowledge past this video that a nuclear explosion is not as dangerous as it is being propagated, then many are happy to know here.
              1. srha
                srha 17 December 2018 13: 33
                -2
                lozovik correctly claims.

                And your questions continue to touch with infantilism - in the 21st century, you can't find help info yourself? Well, okay, I'm not your teacher ...

                By the way, "the video is not a director's production" is a masterpiece, can you yourself make a video from more than one plot without directing? That's it.
                1. Konstantin Shevchenko
                  Konstantin Shevchenko 17 December 2018 14: 54
                  0
                  infantilism? I found a description of this video with all the deeds. It says that YAB was 1,5 ct, therefore
                  During this test, the Northrop F-89 Scorpion fighter-interceptor, piloted by Captain Eric Hutchinson and Captain Alfred Barbie, launched the Ginny AIR-2 over an atomic test site in Nevada at an altitude of 4,5 kilometers. The rocket exploded above a given location at about the same height. The radiation dose received by the volunteers was insignificant, and even lower than that of the pilots of aircraft flying through the cloud of the explosion after ten minutes.
                  Teach materiel before offending someone. Your post, and beliefs do not och. Thanks to the author for the materials.
                  1. srha
                    srha 18 December 2018 13: 27
                    +1
                    Well, well done. We found it ourselves. It is a pity that only after the "kick". And, it's a pity that they found it through the "damaged phone" ie. you have "grenades of the wrong system" - distorted data - bad sources. Just a reminder, you seem to have already forgotten that in the first post I wrote the official American data (2 ktn, 5639 m) and, by the way, gave the link through VIKI. And you don't bother yourself with links - are you afraid to expose discredited sources? Eh, young, green, they did not prick you with fakes ...

                    And about "thanks" to the author - he is trying to educate you in the best spirit of political prophecy irrational fear, and writes - blames the West: "They were told that the fear of radiation is irrational." And it goes down not only to half-truths, but also outright lies - do a search for "1334" on this page, well, if you want the truth ...

                    By the way, do not think that I am against fear - the comrades from cancer were dying and this is terrible. But we must fight not for fear, but fight for the rational (through the full truth - the truth) overcoming fear.
                    1. Konstantin Shevchenko
                      Konstantin Shevchenko 18 December 2018 16: 30
                      0
                      https://pikabu.ru/story/yadernyie_raketyi_protiv_bombardirovshchikov_5977097
                      1. srha
                        srha 19 December 2018 10: 47
                        0
                        The source is relatively truthful, like a journalistic article, although it is secondary and has no data links, which means it is not protected from journalistic fakes (you don’t believe everyone’s word?).
                        But, what is the ratio of rocket launch height (4,5), not an explosion, but a launch, after which she flew a few more kilometers, is it related to the impact of the explosion? Not what. And, I indicated the power of the explosion, and the power of the warhead is indicated in the source, which again is not directly related, since the real explosion depends on the conditions of the explosion, and the power of the warhead is the factory characteristic. You must still be able to work with sources. So to learn the mate part and learn to work with it - you and your source.
                      2. Konstantin Shevchenko
                        Konstantin Shevchenko 19 December 2018 11: 53
                        -1
                        Well, they also forgot
                        So, on July 19, 1957, at the Nevada training ground, next to the sign “Zero mark. The population of 5 people ”gathered, respectively, 5 US Air Force officers (all volunteers) and one photographer who, in his own words, was not too happy about the assignment. Their only task was to stand directly under the epicenter of the explosion with bare heads to demonstrate the low risk of airborne nuclear explosions.
                        read carefully. What I was talking about, for domestic consumption, to send soldiers bold, here the Air Force officers themselves are under an explosion, which is something to be afraid of. Everything else is not documented numbers, letters, who will check it was 1 km or 100? Charge 1 or 100. Perhaps we spoke different languages. As I said, I have no prisetii to you. When domestic consumption becomes public, there is a danger that people like Alexandria Okasio-Cortes and other Psaki can start a war without fear. But we do not need war.
                      3. srha
                        srha 19 December 2018 13: 24
                        0
                        Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko
                        Everything else is not documented.

                        Apparently the search for "1334" was not carried out, otherwise the documentation (the truth about the neighboring tests) would have been seen.

                        And this - http://www.dtra.mil/Portals/61/Documents/NTPR/1-Fact_Sheets/19_PLUMBBOB.pdf - posted on the Internet part of the official documentation, including the explosion we are considering. There even some doses are given "The average total dose to DOD participants at PLUMBBOB was 0.4 rem", which is less than the annual dose of category "A" personnel currently permitted in Russia (NRB-99/2009: - "but not more than 50 mSv per year" ). After that, read in the article: "Then there was another era, and the value of human life was incomparable with today's. But the Americans did everything in such a way that even by those harsh standards of being it was too much" - funny - for those in the know.

                        But okay, I won’t advise you where to look and who to believe, your business ...
                        Simply, as a maxim, and God forbid to think that you personally, and not mine, but Goya: "The sleep of reason gives rise to monsters":


                        Yes, and, as I understand it, you advocated for deceiving the audience, by the way ours - psaki does not read Russian, but I am for the truth. And to consider deception as the norm for oneself is, of course, a personal matter. I understand your choice. Therefore - goodbye.
                      4. Konstantin Shevchenko
                        Konstantin Shevchenko 19 December 2018 12: 08
                        0
                        You must still be able to work with sources. So to learn the mate part and learn to work with it - you and your source.
                        don’t need me to tell you what to do, but I won’t tell you where to go. I see you hurt, well, so no need to be rude.
    2. timokhin-aa
      16 December 2018 20: 53
      -1
      5639 m


      This is not serious. There were much tougher tests.
      1. Digital error
        Digital error 17 December 2018 10: 06
        -1
        This is not serious.

        Your statement is just verified by this test (undermining the nuclear warhead at high altitude), without him it would be impossible to say the same ...
    3. Digital error
      Digital error 17 December 2018 10: 12
      +1
      died of cancer, only after many many years

      From radiation-induced or natural cancer - still a question.
      According to the ICNR 103 publication, the total damage due to excessive cancer and inherited effects is approximately 5% per Sv, that is, if you take the baseline risk of unirradiated people to get cancer by X%, then when irradiated at a dose of 1 sievert this risk will increase to (X + 5)%. Receiving such significant doses in the above video is doubtful ...
  9. Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 16 December 2018 11: 22
    +4
    Wow, Mr. Timokhin is protecting the American military from the American military.

    This is very sweet, I think.
    1. timokhin-aa
      16 December 2018 20: 55
      +2
      For a change.

      I'm just wondering, where is the limit after which an American will stop considering this government "his"? The cops knock them down on the streets, hello, their fathers were hounded by Agent Orange, their grandfathers were soaked like this, and they should have henna.
      'Murica !!!!
      1. Digital error
        Digital error 17 December 2018 10: 22
        +1
        If you save a person from critical thinking, the limit will never come. They have a whole education system that works for this, knowledge is only for the elite. By the way, we also lead to this. Why did the Bolsheviks fight the priests? Because the latter called for humility and “channelized” hatred of tsarism, prolonging its existence ...
      2. ruigat
        ruigat 17 December 2018 12: 34
        +3
        I'm just wondering, where is the limit after which an American will stop considering this government "his"? The cops knock them down on the streets, hello, their fathers were hounded by Agent Orange, their grandfathers were soaked like this, and they should have henna.
        'Murica !!!!

        The limit will come only when a force comparable in information capabilities starts propaganda, all this: "atomic soldiers", the mattress famine of the 30s, the assassination of Kennedy by the owners of the Fed, provocation of the NSA and the CIA on September 9 and a bunch of other "cute pranks" of the owners of the FRS, on the territory SSM and their allies, creating groups of influence. The owners of the Fed, with the help of their wretched Bologna education system, for their own peace of mind created a mattress and Eurobid, which simply does not have critical thinking and it believes any nonsense that the media stuff it with under the control of the Fed owners. It is simply necessary to "break the mold" and the society of the "golden billion" will take shape like a house of cards.
        1. Digital error
          Digital error 17 December 2018 20: 58
          0
          They need their Solzhenitsyn, I correctly understood your thought? Well, in the market economy they created, demand creates supply. We are waiting, sir.
          1. ruigat
            ruigat 18 December 2018 16: 57
            0
            Thousands of Solzhenitsyn, hundreds of "echoes of matzo", millions of Internet fighters. The owners of the Federal Reserve System simply have more money and they can always outbid their media.
  10. Decimam
    Decimam 16 December 2018 11: 57
    +1
    I wonder what level of perception this agitation is designed for. And what is it intended to prove - that military exercises with the use of nuclear weapons can be somewhere less humane, somewhere more humane?
    Among other things, being carried away by pouring "agitational fluid" into the article, the author himself illuminated the issue very poorly and incompletely, having missed the opportunity to demonize the "overseas monster" even more.
    In fact, “human sacrifice in the United States began much earlier and not with nuclear explosions.
    For the first time, human trials of the effects of radioactive isotopes on humans (and these were not just nuclear explosions) were reported to the general public in 1976, when the Science Trends newsletter published relevant materials. Moreover, they were not materials about nuclear explosions, but about the introduction of radioactive plutonium. Such experiments were conducted from 1945 to 1947 on 18 volunteers at the Oak Ridge Institute for Science and Education.
    The issue was publicized, journalists, referring to the Law on Freedom of Information, got down to business. By 1981, hundreds of documents had already been collected, and Howard Rosenburg's article in Mother Jones magazine served as the reason for the hearings in the subcommittee on investigations and supervision in the field of science and technology of the House of Representatives of the Congress (Al Gore subcommittee).
    The process began to gain momentum, although both Reagan and Bush, Sr., let’s say, this process was not welcomed.
    In 1986, Massachusetts Congressman Ed Marka's report "American Nuclear Guinea Pigs" is published. In 1993, Albuquerque Tribune journalist Eileen Wellsom received the Pulitzer Prize for her series of articles "The Plutonium Experiment." She has also received the George Polk Award, the Selden Ring Investigative Reporting Award, the Gold Medal for Investigative Journalists and Editors, the Haywood Brown Award, and awards from the National Headliners Association and the Associated Press.
    After such a resonance, it was no longer possible to pull further, and in 1994, by order of Clinton, the Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments was created (Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments).
    In October 1995, a 1000-page report on the work done was presented to the public at a ceremony at the White House.
    Those interested can see this report on the public website https://web.archive.org/web/20100602064147/http://www.hss.doe.gov/HealthSafety/ohre//roadmap/roadmap/index.html#Foreword.
    There you can see a detailed list of all experiments with radiation.
    That America is, of course, a monster, but with the information they still have, it’s not all the same as the author’s.
    1. timokhin-aa
      16 December 2018 20: 50
      +1
      Such experiments were conducted with 1945 to 1947 year on 18 volunteers


      Do you have bad logic, right? Volunteers, they are volunteers and it is their choice.

      And the paratrooper 1344, which had been thrown off at the epicenter of a nuclear explosion in 39 minutes after it, had slightly different plans for life before its FORCED call (except for officers) for military service. I read that one of them recalled - the earth is like a glass crumb, hot even through the soles.

      You bomb I look nehilo.
      1. Decimam
        Decimam 16 December 2018 21: 56
        +1
        Let's see which of us is being bombed, if you insist so.
        We take such a document.

        The document is titled "Analysis of Radiation Impact on Participants in the DESERT Exercise
        ROCK V ".
        1. timokhin-aa
          16 December 2018 21: 59
          +2
          Well, let's link or all the sheets. I remember that there were remarkable data on the incidence of leukemia. Just in 1980.

          Spread everything, do not be shy, and I read in English and speak it very poorly, I like to listen to Sea Control radio on-line sometimes))).
          1. Decimam
            Decimam 16 December 2018 22: 00
            +1
            Take your time, now everything will be.
            1. Decimam
              Decimam 16 December 2018 22: 17
              +1

              This is page 12 of the referenced document. On it is a table with the characteristics of all eleven explosions.
              The last one in which your paratroopers are thrown into the epicenter is CLIMAX. And the column in the BURST HEIGHT * table is the height of the blast in feet - 1334 feet. You, obviously by virtue of your "thin" knowledge of English, turned feet into desentniks.
              1. Decimam
                Decimam 16 December 2018 22: 22
                +1

                This is the next page. The number of personnel monitoring the tests. As you can see, against the eleventh explosion 0.
                1. Decimam
                  Decimam 16 December 2018 22: 37
                  +2
                  The following is a detailed description of all eleven explosions with a detailed description of the scenarios of the exercises, who will go where, after what time and at what distance and so on.

                  Paragraph 2.4.11. Explosion CLIMAX. Next phrase - There was no Desert Rock participation in this event. Transfer?
                  You can, of course, say that the Americans marked the participation of heroic paratroopers in the trials. Then the question is your source of information?
                  Here is such a bombing.
                  I want to note that I have never said that conducting such tests on people is the norm. I criticized the form of presentation of the material - the replacement of history - by agitprop. Yes, and with the facts sucked from the finger. Although maybe you will refute me, show a source about 1334 paratroopers.
                  Full document - http://www.dtra.mil/Portals/61/Documents/NTPR/4-Rad_Exp_Rpts/11_DNA-5742F_Analysis_of_Rad_Exposure_for_Troop_Observers_at_Op_UPSHOT-KNOTHOLE.pdf
                  1. Decimam
                    Decimam 16 December 2018 22: 47
                    +3
                    Here are those times. The opponent went somewhere.
                    1. Decimam
                      Decimam 18 December 2018 17: 15
                      +2
                      Something the author did not bother to answer the question in three days. Either he is very busy creating a new imperishable, or there is nothing to say, but they admit that such comrades cannot lie in principle.
                      1. timokhin-aa
                        25 December 2018 14: 54
                        0
                        I just can not download this document. Neither directly nor through the anonymizer. Although I also have a VPN and the * mil zone is quite accessible.

                        Put it on some file sharing service, so be kind.
                      2. timokhin-aa
                        25 December 2018 15: 12
                        0
                        And now I downloaded it. I will answer soon.
                  2. Decimam
                    Decimam 25 December 2018 14: 58
                    +1
                    Yes, that cannot be. Http: //www.dtra.mil/Portals/61/Documents/NTPR/4-Rad_Exp_Rpts/11_DNA-5742F_Analysis_of_Rad_Exposure_for_Troop_Observers_at_Op_UPSHOT-KNOTHOLE.pdf.
                    Direct transition often does not work in such cases. Copy the link, paste it into the search engine and open the site. Specially checked, everything works.
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                      1. Decimam
                        Decimam 26 December 2018 13: 41
                        +1
                        The recognition of a mistake is already a positive shift, maybe you, step by step, will grow to a serious level. At present, taking into account your exclamations about spitting and invocation about someone’s deities (having absolutely no idea about the interlocutor), as well as your attitude to the selection and presentation of information, it’s still premature to talk about some level.
                        All the best, creative success.
  11. Grizli-666
    Grizli-666 16 December 2018 12: 36
    +2
    The author is well done, the article is good. And the crowd of commentators who came running perfectly shows that unfortunately the military review divorced a lot of those who have good words about Russia and bad ones about the west like a sickle in their balls. After all, come out such an article about the USSR where they were happy to whine how bad however the red beast, etc. And here is a mountain in defense.
    It’s clear that the article is not purely an analyst, but it’s the opinion of the author, but apart from the claims that he dared to throw dirt at the USA, there are questions in essence? Well, for example, can the facts which false led? Or is it just jarring about talking about the US through the lip?
    1. Grizli-666
      Grizli-666 16 December 2018 12: 40
      +6
      I have the feeling that over the past couple of years, the Military Review has become too dirty in the mud. I only returned to him half a year ago after the break, and I only read the section on weapons. And then in its simply it became impossible to read articles. That will not work, honey mushrooms are all gone, all shit let's go shoot ourselves. And do not care what they are, in the comments a crowd of trolls and obscure personalities immediately grows up and trample each other's minuses, anyone who dares to disagree with them. It seems that you are going crazy on a Ukrainian site
    2. Decimam
      Decimam 16 December 2018 13: 14
      +1
      That the author "dared to throw dirt on the USA" - This is not even a tenth question. Someone throws mud into their own past, demonizing the USSR, someone into their own present, someone in the neighbors. And none of these marketer writers even thinks that the genre of sketching mixed with agitprop is a very bad substitute for history.
      What goal did the author set - to highlight the history of experiments with radiation on humans in the United States? It doesn't look like it, because the factual material is poor, even in Wikipedia there is more about it. But the article is abundantly equipped with slogans about liberals who love the United States, their psychosexual pathologies and other propaganda husks that have nothing to do with the issue. And there are 80% of such articles in the "History" section. I'm not talking about the rest, only "The weapon is still holding, although the corresponding" wall newspapers "often get there.
      And as a result of this movement, dear Artemy, "Over the past couple of years, Voennoye Obozreniye has gotten too dirty in the mud," and "in the comments, a crowd of trolls and incomprehensible personalities will immediately form, nodrachivayus and trample the minuses of anyone who dares to disagree with them.
      For in the genre of sketching and agitprop, no other is expected, this is provided a priori. And the topic and the place are not important, the USA, the USSR, Russia, Honduras, radiation and so on - the picture in the discussion will be the same, and the point of view, different from the polar ones, will generally be perceived with hostility by both sides of the "battle".
      This is the question in essence - about the essence of the thrust and in defense not of the United States, but in defense of history, buried under the "politically correct" ideological mud.
      And one more question, already for you - do you regularly read the "local" press?
      1. Usher
        Usher 16 December 2018 15: 17
        -1
        He wrote it as it is! Not your opinion! How do you start to write the TRUTH about the USSR so stamps "SCOOP, MODE, CURTAIN, ATTRACTIONS, GULAG" and if about the United States so "they are the same to find out! To understand that there would be no war later, that world peace, etc. shit "FEEL the difference, the author noted it! As if in our country non-humans live with you, and when we carry out experiments, it is only as clichéd "Dr. Evil" that would just kill everyone, and "booty and fluffy" pendos ... s, only for the world. The author mentioned CINISM, even in China they understood approximately that nothing good would come of it for people. And the United States, who have INVENTED this weapon, like an empty-headed child, began to experiment on their own. And although he positions himself as a stronghold of goodness and light. And the local fifth column and the Ukrainians happily whine like jackals.
        1. Decimam
          Decimam 16 December 2018 15: 33
          +3
          The fact that the author wrote "as is" is nothing more than your opinion. In my opinion, the author wrote the sketch. The ability to leave a comment implies that readers express their opinion.
          For readers capable of adequate perception, opinions have shades. The incapable have a one-color cliché and hysteria, with the demand "only this way and not otherwise" and the allocation of aspirations in capital letters, while those who have their own opinion are immediately put in the fifth column or Ukrainians.
          This is just the result of feeding the sketches.
      2. timokhin-aa
        16 December 2018 20: 39
        +1
        It does not seem to be, for factual material is miserable, even on Wikipedia it is more about it.


        And you can link to Wikipedia, where about this "more"?
      3. vladcub
        vladcub 19 December 2018 18: 26
        0
        Throwing experiments on your past is stupid and dangerous: the past is always reflected in the present. For the same reason, you cannot paint the past in pink. "History teaches life" (Cato the Elder), and I will say a little differently: "REAL HISTORY TEACHES REAL LIFE"
    3. timokhin-aa
      16 December 2018 20: 40
      0
      It just warms up that someone dared to spit in their Deity.
  12. Altona
    Altona 16 December 2018 12: 55
    +4
    In general, the scale of what was happening is simply amazing when it comes to 400 thousand servicemen. In modern conditions, it is an army of a state of average size. The inhumanity of the experiment is striking when people were sent to such experiments without "lead cowards," so to speak. Even metal cuirasses could absorb some of the radiation. 400 thousand people were used as experimental animals, the population of the whole state. Prior to this, the United States pulled out all the documentation on experiments on people in Nazi Germany and militaristic Japan (detachment 731). A very terrible crime, or rather a series of crimes, which began in August 1945 in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
    1. Digital error
      Digital error 16 December 2018 20: 23
      -1
      it's about 400 thousands of servicemen

      Come on. I read about Chernobyl such - 400 thousand corpses. I know that about the elimination of the accident passed about 600 thousand people. and I consider such quantity superfluous. And an easily verifiable fact is that a little over a hundred people died from the direct effects of radiation in the Chernobyl accident, if I am not mistaken - 128.
      1. timokhin-aa
        16 December 2018 20: 37
        +1
        I did not invent it myself. True, I think that those who worked on providing nuclear tests were included, for example, the corpses of experimental animals were buried.
        1. Digital error
          Digital error 16 December 2018 20: 56
          -1
          Perhaps I do not blame you. But here's the score
          but, for example, in 2009, researchers cautiously called a figure of thirty-six thousand people
          - it seems to me more realistic, well, maybe twice as much. Absolute Evil is only in the films of Luc Besson. It makes no sense to irradiate 400 thousand, when satisfactory statistics can be collected an order of magnitude with less effort ...
          1. timokhin-aa
            16 December 2018 22: 00
            +1
            No, only Desert Rock passed a lot more than 50 test subjects, plus the attendants who also caught "bunnies". Plus the pilots, the fleet ...
    2. timokhin-aa
      16 December 2018 20: 38
      +1
      By the way, according to American statements, the number of civilians who suffered or died from the effects of nuclear tests in the United States is so large that it will never be counted.
  13. bubalik
    bubalik 16 December 2018 14: 39
    0
    ,, I would not go to such a place negative

    Tourists near the obelisk in Trinity, on the site of the test of the world's first atomic bomb.
    1. Digital error
      Digital error 16 December 2018 20: 27
      0
      And I would go - it's interesting. In the USSR, more than 100 peaceful atomic explosions were carried out. Americans are great - they are developing domestic tourism. Ours have not grown up yet. The danger of a short stay in these places after dozens of years after the explosion is ridiculous, a mosquito bite will do more harm. Unfortunately, radiophobia is quite common, and the only effective way to deal with it is reliable information.
  14. irazum
    irazum 16 December 2018 15: 03
    -2
    Everything, of course, is so, only there is a slight difference: the amers were warned about where they were going and about the consequences (about which, at that time, they had at least some idea), and they were paid for it. No one warned our people at Totskoe about anything, and they didn't even know where they were going. Well, the rest is well known to everyone: a non-disclosure subscription (seemingly for life), new military cards, etc. with all that it implies.
    1. timokhin-aa
      16 December 2018 20: 36
      +2
      They had the same thing. We were Guinea pigs, as they call it themselves. An agitation based on the memories of the participants was written by the same artilleryman Brooks. If anything. They just lied about the fact that radiation is not dangerous.

      Could gas masks give at least that radioactive dust does not breathe.
  15. Wizzzard
    Wizzzard 16 December 2018 15: 43
    +1
    Quote: Jerk
    The clearest example is 9 / 11, which led to the bloody Arab world ... Excuse - we just answered ...

    It would be worth adding: responded to own super-cynical special operation.
  16. Ural-4320
    Ural-4320 16 December 2018 18: 11
    0
    Quote: Salomet
    The article is written in negative tones, the author does not take into account that statistics have been collected on the combat effectiveness of formations in a nuclear war. Forgive me, but now it's hard for me to imagine how there will be no survivors after a nuclear war. I think this is where the danger lies.
    I give my author my vision of American patriotism, they believe in the dollar! That showing the dollar in any country in the world they will get what they want. If you want to rock America, swing the dollar. hi

    Something nifig soldiers did not receive dollars for their participation, and after that they did not receive.
  17. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 16 December 2018 22: 26
    -1
    "It is impossible to get rid of the feeling that at some point these tests turned, rather, into human sacrifice."
    "Flash on the left", flash on the right! "- which of the Soviet soldiers did not know such a command? wink
    Interesting photos from this point of view. laughing
    50s. Nobody knew the "side effects" of nuclear weapons, neither we nor the Americans.
    Well, the essence of the American military has not changed.
    PS / I knew people who participated in the Totsky exercises.
  18. hohol95
    hohol95 16 December 2018 23: 37
    0
    Showers will be sweet, there will be a smell of fields,
    And flying with the proud whistle of careless swifts;
    And the frogs in the pond will glorify the night,
    And trees will plunge into flowers, as in snow;
    His red robin will wear a piece of clothing
    It will sing, dropping to a low fence;
    And no one will know about
    What happened, and what happened afterwards.
    Will not notice the trees and birds around,
    If humanity suddenly becomes ash,
    And spring, getting up in the morning on the throat of winter,
    It is unlikely that he will be able to understand that all of us have disappeared.
  19. depressant
    depressant 16 December 2018 23: 54
    +1
    Author, you forgot to mention that in Las Vegas, crowds drove civilians on excursions so that they could admire the atomic explosions from balconies and special sites. And admired - not without health consequences. And the article is good.
    1. Avior
      Avior 18 December 2018 00: 24
      -1
      what consequences?
  20. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 17 December 2018 11: 39
    +2
    And again, the crews of the auxiliary vessels moved to the contamination zone, extinguished burning aircraft carriers (aircraft with fuel were placed on board the aircraft carriers), divers descended into the radioactive dirt remaining at the site of the explosion ...


    Bikini Atoll. The sailors decontaminate the Prince Eugen MCT after the Baker test.

    I remind that according to the results of decontaminationand the CMT was deemed unsuitable for further testing due to too much radiation.
    1. timokhin-aa
      17 December 2018 15: 03
      +1
      These sailors, by the way, do not have rights to benefits. Because they do not belong to the experimental personnel, but to the attendant.
      1. Avior
        Avior 18 December 2018 00: 29
        -1
        Did they hurt?
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 19 December 2018 21: 02
          +1
          Quote: Avior
          Did they hurt?

          Of course not. Well, what health hazard can there be when a ship is deactivated, after which even a slight leak could not be eliminated on it due to too high a level of radiation?
          * sarcasm off
    2. Avior
      Avior 18 December 2018 00: 28
      -1
      this is not true. Eugen continued to participate in the tests and sank from the explosion of Charlie.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 19 December 2018 20: 58
        0
        Quote: Avior
        this is not true. Eugen continued to participate in the tests and sank from the explosion of Charlie.

        Um ... actually, Operation Crossroads ended with the Baker trial. The Charlie test was canceled due to the delay in decontamination work, and also due to the absence of non-radioactive ships at the test site after the Baker tests.
        And one more thing: the test of "Charlie" according to the plan was to be carried out on March 1, 1947. "Prince Eugen" sank on December 22, 1946 - three months before the scheduled test.
  21. Avior
    Avior 18 December 2018 00: 32
    0
    honestly, the author’s article is so politicized that it doesn’t look like his other articles.
    Useful information in it at least.
    And the main thing is how many people really suffered and whether people were affected at all.
    It is clear that all who have at least some kind of relationship really want to strip money off the government.
    but is there any objective evidence and facts? in the article about this almost nothing
    1. timokhin-aa
      26 December 2018 13: 40
      0
      Democratic nuclear bombs are harmless to democratic soldiers, they only kill Totalitarian Freaks. Not that the bombs of the scoops - they crumbled their own, polluting billions of square kilometers, but against the forces of Good, they would give only pshik.

      All liberals, gays and American patriots confirm this.
      1. Avior
        Avior 26 December 2018 22: 23
        0
        Are you several under this nickname? used to write essentially
        complete nonsense in two weeks is strong
  22. vladcub
    vladcub 19 December 2018 18: 11
    +1
    Quote: Decimam
    Here are those times. The opponent went somewhere.

    Did you come out to wash your hands?
    1. Decimam
      Decimam 19 December 2018 18: 54
      +1
      Rather "washed away". The comrade did it, but did not answer the question.
      1. timokhin-aa
        26 December 2018 13: 40
        0
        Comrade is not managed, see above. But with your violent masturbation on the Exceptional Nation, you will not look very good.
  23. Nikolai
    Nikolai 21 February 2019 20: 02
    0
    The conclusion is very good. Need, Need! It is necessary to have a ministry of propaganda and to remember and convey everything.
  24. Aleksandr97
    Aleksandr97 6 December 2021 17: 08
    0
    In 2018 this meme was not yet, now it characterizes more than ...