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Russia may sue Estonia due to a faulty car and an accident near Omsk

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Estonia faces a multimillion-dollar lawsuit due to a faulty car that was repaired at an enterprise of an Estonian company, which caused a freight train to get off at Ishim, the portal reports Seti.ee.




The accident occurred in November 30 on the 537 kilometer of the Sverdlovsk railway on the Nazyvaevskaya - Ishim section. From the train came off the train carrying, including military equipment. Part of the cars and tanks overturned. According to the press service of the Central Military District, the tracked military vehicles, accompanied by the guard, followed the repair plant. A criminal case under Art. 263 CC (violation of the rules of traffic safety and operation of railway transport).

According to the Tyumen Transport Prosecutor's Office, 57 cars derailed. No injuries. The initial version is a rail defect.

Further investigation revealed that the cause of the accident could be the breakdown of the wheelsets of a universal car that had been repaired at the Tapas Depot of the Estonian state-owned Operail (previously called EVR Cargo).

It is assumed that a faulty wheel pair damaged the rail, which eventually led to an accident.

The article notes that after the incident, Russian experts conducted a technical examination of the 51 car, which was previously repaired in Estonia. It turned out that 12 of them do not meet the requirements.

The Estonian side disputes the findings of the Russian investigators, pointing out the presence of many nuances that require additional verification. Estonian engineers visited the scene of the accident and took part in the work of an interdepartmental commission establishing the causes of the accident.

Operation in the territory of the Russian Federation of cars repaired in Estonia has been suspended. If it is proved that poor-quality repairs caused the accident in the Omsk region, then Operail will file a multi-million dollar lawsuit.

The Estonian side has already announced that the control over the quality of repairs at the Tapas Depot has been tightened.

In the Estonian city of Tapa is located not only the railway depot, but also the NATO military contingent.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 14 December 2018 08: 41
    +81
    The Russian Federation may institute a major lawsuit in Estonia due to a faulty wagon
    in Estonia? why not in england? Is UVZ reloaded with "fittings"? or are these "sanctions"? the cognitive dissonance...
    1. SOF
      SOF 14 December 2018 08: 46
      +5
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      in Estonia?

      ... most likely - because of the cheapness ....
      1. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 14 December 2018 08: 49
        +59
        ... most likely the euro is closer to the body than domestic rubles.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 14 December 2018 15: 55
          0
          sawed up a pair of wheels with a NATO jigsaw
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 14 December 2018 23: 22
            +7
            Rather sawed the budgetallocated for the repair of wagons.
            Well, it’s necessary to think of it - to repair Russian cars in an enemy country, daily trying to make us nasty, and blaming us for all its troubles.
            That is why it is always so. In order to put the S-300 in Syria, it was necessary to wait for our downed aircraft. In order for a fraud to finance Estonian industry to be uncovered, a major accident is necessary.
            1. 76rtbr
              76rtbr 19 December 2018 12: 46
              0
              I tell you how the cars are repaired, they are not sent to the Enemy TERRITORY, these cars are called "SICK", as part of the train, the car can "get sick" and they are unhooked regardless of the territory where the car is registered, at the local VChD it is repaired and the invoice is sent to the owner, to Russian Railways has a lot of cars of Kazakhs, Balts, and "It is necessary to think it out" is called the repair of the car fleet. but if we speak, the Balts do not even understand where this car will go next !!
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 19 December 2018 12: 51
                0
                This means that there is no control over the repair of such "patients", or it is done irresponsibly.
                However, I believe that responsibility for the deterioration and serviceability (of equipment, roads, buildings, communications) is generally a "sore" topic in Russia.
                1. 76rtbr
                  76rtbr 20 December 2018 02: 11
                  0
                  Well, why, carriages do not eat their bread in vain with butter and caviar, all the more so at the customs stations they carry out a thorough examination, the whole problem is such small cracks in the side frames, all the load and gatherings because of them for the most part, I don’t remember which telegram Russian Railways, but before 2014, the Khokhlyatsk frames very often made wagons, for the year sooooo much, the Mariupol steelworkers!
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 15 December 2018 04: 28
          +1
          Now it’s clear where the ears grow from.
      2. Ural-4320
        Ural-4320 14 December 2018 11: 52
        +5
        Quote: SOF
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        in Estonia?

        ... most likely - because of the cheapness ....

        Most likely there was no car depot nearby, and the repair period or mileage was approaching. Since the car is private, they chose to repair where it is closer. Or, in general, this car is in regular communication with Estonia. For example, there are 2 depots in Chernyakhovsk: a locomotive and a wagon. In Lithuania there is a car depot Radviliškis. Wagons are repaired by us, and not in Lithuania, however diesel locomotives M62 and 2M62 are driven for repair in Daugavpils with subsequent customs clearance.
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 14 December 2018 14: 20
          +2
          Strange commentators. Repair is carried out by the car manufacturer.
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          the cognitive dissonance...

          in boiler plants, not so much boilers do ...
      3. Oleg Lavrov
        Oleg Lavrov 14 December 2018 12: 56
        +1
        Where is it really there to "present" our government. Cowardly! Unlike the Chinese! Although ... Estonia is an option, a weak state.
      4. kotvov
        kotvov 14 December 2018 14: 01
        +1
        most likely - because of the cheapness ,,
        Well then, let's fix it in banderlog. It’s generally thought that it’s cheap there. But what did the EU impose sanctions on us, nothing?
    2. For example
      For example 14 December 2018 08: 48
      +29
      What does “UVZ have rebooted”?

      Can rugs from compartment cars order to be washed there?

      Let me tell you a "secret" PRIVATE carriages travel along the railways of our country.
      Repair them where the owner wants.
      And to sue (if it comes to this) with the Estonian private trader will be our private trader, not the state.

      The USSR ended daaaaaaaaavnoooooooooooo.
      1. spektr9
        spektr9 14 December 2018 09: 10
        +1
        Let me tell you a "secret" PRIVATE carriages travel along the railways of our country.

        Since when have private wagons transported defense property?
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 14 December 2018 09: 18
          +40
          Quote: spektr9
          Since when have private wagons transported defense property?

          Since then, when the PD-50, owned by a private trader, participated in the repair of the only aircraft-carrying cruiser ... This is one chain, only the links are different. This is privatization according to Chubais, he is waiting for thanks for the fact that the defense capability of Russia depends on the desire of the oligarchs.
        2. IvanT
          IvanT 14 December 2018 09: 20
          0
          Why not?!
          This is moving in peacetime.
        3. seregin-s1
          seregin-s1 14 December 2018 09: 55
          +5
          Nowhere is it said that a faulty wagon was transporting military property.
        4. Shkiper
          Shkiper 14 December 2018 10: 57
          +12
          Who cares who owned the car, where it was repaired. The claim of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation against the carrier company, but let the company decide for itself how it will cover its losses. I wouldn't be surprised if someone's "kids" are sitting on the board of directors. It was not just that their "dads" fought to separate the rolling stock from Russian Railways.
        5. Aibolit
          Aibolit 14 December 2018 13: 15
          +7
          Quote: spektr9
          Since when have private wagons transported defense property?

          but there are state cars?
          TransContainer PJSC is a Russian intermodal container operator operating with the largest fleet of containers and fitting platforms in Russia throughout the 1520 standard railway network
          JSC "UTLC ERA"
          First and Second Freight Companies (JSC Freight One and JSC FGK)
          VTB-Leasing
          Sberbank-Leasing
          Globaltran
          etc.
          Why don’t you know that Yakunin immediately leaked the most profitable (well, like Chubais at mortgage auctions), and, moreover, left the most unprofitable, costly ones on the neck of the state (electric trains and track maintenance)
          ?

          Syrian Express: Since 2015, the Navy has begun to use civilian ships to deliver cargo under an outsourcing agreement.
        6. 76rtbr
          76rtbr 19 December 2018 13: 02
          0
          since then, when all sorts of banks have appeared, Moscow and Russian Railways offices are no longer the PRIVATE if this is a secret for you, the Ministry of Railways has long been gone! for the army there is no difference what to ride, in wartime, the entire transport structure becomes the property of WAR !!
      2. Demon_is_ada
        Demon_is_ada 14 December 2018 09: 18
        +18
        I completely and completely agree with you hi Only the lawsuit should be brought not to Estonia, but to the private trader, because his wagons were faulty and caused damage ... yeah ... But let him then at least with Estonia, hell with the European Union, at least he will sue ... his problems laughing true if able tongue
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 14 December 2018 09: 27
          +5
          Quote: Demon_is_ada
          Only the lawsuit should be brought not to Estonia, but to the private trader, because his wagons were faulty and caused damage ... yeah ... But let him then at least with Estonia, hell with the European Union, at least he will sue ... his problems

          So it will most likely be legally correct.
        2. alexmach
          alexmach 14 December 2018 11: 16
          0
          Only the lawsuit must be brought not to Estonia, but to the private trader, because his cars were faulty and caused damage.

          Well, yes ... here only under one condition - that it was the cars (which were freshly repaired by the way) that were faulty, and not the railway track.
      3. Ural-4320
        Ural-4320 14 December 2018 11: 47
        +1
        That's right: wagons starting with the number 5 have an owner, which is written on the wagon.
      4. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 15 December 2018 04: 30
        0
        So first you need to judge the owner of a private carriage, not an Estonian company.
    3. Loess
      Loess 14 December 2018 08: 48
      +1
      Maybe it was corny closer? Maybe it made sense from the western borders to overtake faulty wagons to the same Estonia, and not drive across the country to the Urals with a high risk of getting an accident (or maybe not one) along the routes?
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 14 December 2018 11: 08
        +6
        Quote: Less
        Maybe it was corny closer?

        The commonplace is that cars get on repair not because of breakdown .. (it would be tin), but in terms of mileage. After a certain mileage, it is necessary to carry out work from the car’s chassis .. In almost every city where there is a railway junction, there is a re-enterprise where such work is carried out. But the problem, judging by the article, is different .. Wheel pairs are not repaired and defective .., at the slightest suspicion, they are sent to a flaw detector .. And it does not depend on age, I transported couples after repairs both in 1977 and in 2008 .. just for the re-enterprise, from Ryazan, to us in Isakogorka ..
      2. Ural-4320
        Ural-4320 14 December 2018 11: 54
        -4
        At the station, do not care when forming the composition. If the inspector recognized the car as fit for loading, then the destination does not play a role - it goes to the place of unloading.
    4. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 14 December 2018 08: 51
      +9
      Also very surprised by this. Some kind of ambiguous policy towards the Baltic countries and not only them, which for many years have been harming Russia in the EU and NATO structures, is actively anti-Russian propaganda, etc. It is very strange and probably it’s time to specifically determine our economic relations with countries hostile to us.
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 14 December 2018 09: 53
        +3
        Quote: rotmistr60
        It is very strange and probably it’s time to specifically determine our economic relations with countries hostile to us.

        hi
        It's high time, but the bunch of ours and the Baltic oligarchs is great. Profit at any cost at a time when the Mosek governments are doing their best to mischief across borders. Even the analysts of the "puppeteer" are talking about this at the top of their voice:
      2. Comrade Beria
        Comrade Beria 14 December 2018 10: 48
        0
        Quote: rotmistr60
        Also very surprised by this. Some kind of ambiguous policy towards the Baltic countries and not only them, which for many years have been harming Russia in the EU and NATO structures, is actively anti-Russian propaganda, etc. It is very strange and probably it’s time to specifically determine our economic relations with countries hostile to us.

        Until sanctions are imposed on the Baltic, any private trader, if cheaper in the Baltic than in Russia, will have to deal with the Baltic. Now, if for the violation of sanctions the private trader suffered losses much greater than with the same repair in Russia, then he would begin to be repaired in Russia. And our leadership is not in a hurry with this for no apparent reason. More precisely, there are no reasons for imposing sanctions. Is that to Lithuania, in response to the Dalkins dirty tricks. lol
      3. Cetron
        Cetron 14 December 2018 20: 46
        0
        With the collapse of the USSR and the division of the railway, who had so many wagons and got so much. Further, the wagons operate in all countries of 1520 (mm gauge), if the wagon is someone else’s, they pay the rent and get it from other countries themselves. The maintenance is the same and standard, the time has come - check and repair where the deadline or malfunction is found. The ownership of the car does not matter, all the railway countries have concluded an agreement - the USSR has collapsed, the railway is one, the system has not changed.
    5. prior
      prior 14 December 2018 08: 51
      +1
      And how many times we still hiccup Central Asian guest workers, we don’t even want to think.
    6. siberalt
      siberalt 14 December 2018 08: 51
      +5
      Damn, the cars themselves have forgotten how to repair! A lawsuit must be brought against the carrier, and not against the repair of a foreign organization. And there, let private traders understand each other in the order of regressive demand ..
      1. siberalt
        siberalt 14 December 2018 09: 23
        +4
        Someone did not like the legal educational program? For example, if you didn’t get a parcel from a car derailment, who will you repair the lawsuit against? To the mail of Russia or Russian Railways?
        The correct answer is to mail.
        1. begemot20091
          begemot20091 14 December 2018 10: 02
          +1
          the father had three sons .... in general, Yeltsin = was m .... drunk. well, and labeled there - count him aspen.
      2. The black
        The black 14 December 2018 09: 27
        +3
        Quote: siberalt
        Damn, the cars themselves have forgotten how to repair! A lawsuit must be brought against the carrier, and not against the repair of a foreign organization. And there, let private traders understand each other in the order of regressive demand ..

        I totally agree .... the more so since we have dozens of car repair plants .... from Novorossiysk to St. Petersburg, from Yaroslavl to Krasnoyarsk ....
    7. Berber
      Berber 14 December 2018 08: 52
      +5
      Here, dear Andrei Yurievich, I agree with you. What the hell is this? Do we have our own repair depots? Why do we give work to ENEMIES?
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 14 December 2018 09: 23
        +2
        Quote: BerBer
        Why do we give work to ENEMIES?

        Let's answer strictly. We ourselves can only ask for a job, for which we may be refused. Therefore, we cannot a priori give work to our enemies. Now you can calmly resolve the dilemma: "Who does someone who gives work to our enemies become to us?"
        1. Berber
          Berber 14 December 2018 17: 55
          0
          Well, I rephrase - we give an opportunity to earn.
    8. WEL7958
      WEL7958 14 December 2018 10: 51
      +2
      because you don’t have to be too smart to drag a faulty car belonging to Russian Railways from Estonia to UVZ, they are being repaired even in Ukraine, what a horror.
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    10. Felix
      Felix 14 December 2018 11: 31
      +2
      We still have a single network - the turnover of the car fleet also goes through Estonia, the owners of the car fleet can decide for themselves where to repair their cars. Or maybe the repair was to identify a defect in the wheelset, which often happens. Among other things, it may well be Estonian wagons, which can also be accessed through our network.
    11. Altona
      Altona 14 December 2018 14: 27
      0
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      in Estonia? why not in england?

      ---------------------------
      Car repair plants are either closed or redesigned as car building in my city.
    12. private person
      private person 14 December 2018 15: 38
      +1
      In Chuvashia there is the city of Kanash; there is a car repair plant that for some reason is bankrupt. Now let them try to get compensation from Estonia. From the donkey the ears of Russian Railways will receive.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 15 December 2018 04: 37
        -1
        Oh, and then the ears are growing!
  2. olgen
    olgen 14 December 2018 08: 53
    +12
    Omsk transmash is breathing in the wings and we give orders to the Baltic states better we will support their economy than ours
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 14 December 2018 11: 23
      +2
      Omsk transmash has one big minus. Well, as a minus, rather a nuance. He is in Omsk. A wagon that broke down in the European part to drive for service in Omsk is a very strange occupation.
  3. spektr9
    spektr9 14 December 2018 08: 53
    +4
    Here is such an import substitution and answers to sanctions ... In the Russian Federation, there are absolutely no enterprises for repairing trains, and if so, why should the trains be driven over a hill? And if the wagons had already been repaired over the hill, then why didn’t anyone check their condition after returning?

    In general, our western "partners" are throwing at all the dandies, and we are happy, we continue to sit on the same bait ...
  4. irazum
    irazum 14 December 2018 08: 54
    +1
    Well, that’s already beyond! Do we have car-repair enterprises overloaded beyond measure? Or maybe it is such a high-tech production that there is an acute shortage of workers and engineers?
    1. Felix
      Felix 14 December 2018 11: 39
      +3
      Quote: irazum
      Do we have car-repair enterprises overloaded beyond measure?

      imagine the situation - while following through Estonia, the wheelset of a carriage fails. To drag this car to UVZ? The cost of this event will be exorbitant, despite the fact that replacing a pair is a matter of one hour and there is an agreement with EESTI RAUDTEE on current and uncoupling repairs ..
  5. faiver
    faiver 14 December 2018 08: 54
    +3
    some kind of cognitive dissonance is obtained, it is about how during the Cold War we would have repaired our ships in the shipyards of England ...
    1. spektr9
      spektr9 14 December 2018 09: 01
      +4
      So with the ships in the French shipyards already passed
      1. faiver
        faiver 14 December 2018 09: 02
        -1
        So with the ships in the French shipyards already passed
        - explain
        1. spektr9
          spektr9 14 December 2018 09: 04
          +2
          - explain

          Mistral
          1. faiver
            faiver 14 December 2018 09: 05
            0
            I really thought that the French had ships repaired during the Cold War. bully
    2. Chilean Abalon
      Chilean Abalon 14 December 2018 11: 50
      +1
      The control ship "Angara" of the Black Sea Fleet of the USSR, in 1980 was repaired in Greece. Greece, because the country of NATO, right?
      1. faiver
        faiver 14 December 2018 11: 54
        -1
        in 1980, Greece was not a NATO member
        1. Chilean Abalon
          Chilean Abalon 14 December 2018 11: 57
          +1
          Formally, Greece did not leave NATO, did not participate - yes. But what prevented the delivery of bugs during repairs in Greece
          1. faiver
            faiver 14 December 2018 11: 58
            0
            just formally and went ...
    3. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 15 December 2018 12: 36
      +1
      Quote: faiver
      some kind of cognitive dissonance is obtained, it is about how during the Cold War we would have repaired our ships in the shipyards of England ...

      The civilian flights that serviced flights to Cuba were refueled at the US Air Force base in the Bahamas.
      1. faiver
        faiver 15 December 2018 12: 40
        0
        I wonder why? 500km distance ..
        1. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 15 December 2018 13: 31
          +1
          Quote: faiver
          I wonder why? 500km distance ..

          Tu-114 - when there was an overspending due to the headwind, the IL-62 of the first series was due to uneconomical engines.
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  7. Стена
    Стена 14 December 2018 09: 01
    +5
    The lawsuit must be brought not to Russophobian Estonians, but to persons who have concluded this contract
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 14 December 2018 09: 29
      +3
      Quote: Wall
      The lawsuit must be brought not to Russophobian Estonians, but to persons who have concluded this contract

      - A similar case was with Motya Soplyvym - raped the Swiss.

      stop This is not about the contract. There, the Zolotov department was noticed with manipulation of food prices. bully
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 14 December 2018 09: 31
      0
      And if the signatory of the contract before this used low-quality cognac, then bring a lawsuit against the manufacturer of cognac? lol
    3. irazum
      irazum 14 December 2018 09: 54
      -3
      Quite right, and it's not even about the "Russophobia" of Estonians. It smells of corruption a mile away!
  8. BAI
    BAI 14 December 2018 09: 01
    +3
    Transferring arrows to "sabotage"? Is it nobody's fault with us?
  9. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 14 December 2018 09: 02
    0
    They didn’t let the guys bend, they gave work, and they arranged a diversion, that’s all, the last order and the one like a damn lump + lawsuit, it’s bad for the NATO pugs to survive
  10. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 14 December 2018 09: 05
    0
    Consider this a diversion and: at the intersection of them, plant employees, arrest, judge and ... Sentence.
  11. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 14 December 2018 09: 08
    0
    Kaaaak etttto not haaaarrrraaashshshshoooo .....
  12. mag nit
    mag nit 14 December 2018 09: 11
    0
    Import substitution.
  13. bubalik
    bubalik 14 December 2018 09: 12
    +1
    The initial version is a rail defect.

    ,, from the scene ,, repeat




    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 14 December 2018 09: 34
      +2
      And the impression is that the most ordinary diversion ... belayRail blasting ...
      1. Comrade Beria
        Comrade Beria 14 December 2018 10: 53
        -1
        Quote: ROSS 42
        And the impression is that the most ordinary diversion ... belayRail blasting ...

        The wires are intact, and the funnel is missing, and yes, it seems at first glance.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 14 December 2018 10: 55
          +3
          I myself am not special, but when I served, they showed me how the rail burst with the help of plastic explosives. The cut is simply phenomenal ... And there is not much destruction around, like from a grenade on frozen stony ground.
    2. Ural-4320
      Ural-4320 14 December 2018 14: 05
      0
      The railway workers have a defect "involuntary break of the rail". And it takes a lot of effort to get to the bottom of the cause of the break, because the rail at the break point is normal.
  14. Larum
    Larum 14 December 2018 09: 13
    +3
    Come on, a trifle. this is only for the lower classes "sanctions, sanctions"
    And Magomed Tolboev, in an interview about the icing crash, said that he had an airfield near his institute’s airfield, almost a NATO mini-base,
  15. sledak
    sledak 14 December 2018 09: 23
    0
    Quote: rotmistr60
    Also very surprised by this. Some kind of ambiguous policy towards the Baltic countries and not only them, which for many years have been harming Russia in the EU and NATO structures, is actively anti-Russian propaganda, etc. It is very strange and probably it’s time to specifically determine our economic relations with countries hostile to us.


    I hold it !!!! True, if the cargo goes from Geyroppa to Vladik (for example, it is delivered from a ferry in Estonia to an Estonian (repaired there) carriage, then in order not to drive such a "repair" risking through the whole country it must be reloaded - extra costs will increase the cost for the final consumer ...

    I understand that private cars are repaired where it’s cheaper, but they drive on Russian roads: a private trader earns from us, and he spends money on repairs where the fascists mix Russia with .... and due to this, does he get BIG income?
    I understand that if normal neighbors and partners were repaired, but with the current attitude it would be NOT correct to give the fascists a rabbot.

    You repair in a geyrop - exploit there too!
  16. akunin
    akunin 14 December 2018 09: 36
    +1
    In the Estonian city of Tapa, there is not only a railway depot, but also a NATO military contingent
    is this what? the author suspects diversion? I see how American rangers saw a pair of hacksaw with a hacksaw (before my eyes stands)

    she is golden "
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  18. K-50
    K-50 14 December 2018 09: 44
    +2
    the investigation showed that the cause of the accident could be a breakdown of the wheelsets of a universal car that was repaired at the Tapi depot of the Estonian state-owned company Operail

    I understand that our car repair plants and other facilities are overwhelmed with car repair and do not need additional orders? Or did someone decide to hold the gesheft again?
    In my opinion, it's time for the prosecutor's office to clarify this issue, with the appropriate conclusions and "plantings" with confiscation. am
    1. bubalik
      bubalik 14 December 2018 09: 48
      +2
      In my opinion, it's time for the prosecutor's office to clarify this issue, with the appropriate conclusions and "landings" with confiscation
      ,, news today:
      In Yekaterinburg, a chief of the Sverdlovsk Railway was detained for a bribe
      1. K-50
        K-50 14 December 2018 10: 39
        +1
        Quote: bubalik
        In Yekaterinburg, a chief of the Sverdlovsk Railway was detained for a bribe

        Good news, thanks. hi
  19. Device
    Device 14 December 2018 10: 02
    +4
    Mdaa, a country on a half-continent, riddled with railroads, repairs its wagons in the territory of a potential enemy.
  20. Elephant
    Elephant 14 December 2018 10: 07
    0
    Why in Estonia, and not at UVZ? The personal interest of our officials and leaders cannot be ruled out, they want to "combine business with pleasure" - to go on frequent foreign euro-paid business trips, receive (bring, control, coordinate) products, and at the same time relax ...
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 14 December 2018 10: 58
      0
      We have that, in addition to UVZ, there are few railcar factories, even we are starting to make railroad cars, and before that, for many years they were hanging around like a leaf in the wind from the lack of orders.
  21. uav80
    uav80 14 December 2018 10: 14
    0
    In the Estonian city of Tapa is located not only the railway depot, but also the NATO military contingent.

    This is a commonplace NATO sabotage, while the largest NATO logistics base in Estonia is located in Tapa ... laughing
  22. Silinvv
    Silinvv 14 December 2018 10: 48
    +3
    Something tells me that at the time of Joseph Vissarionovich, the conclusions that this was sabotage by Estonia and the criminal ... sloppiness of those responsible on our side would be announced the next day. The way it is. My question is, whose bright head came up with the idea of ​​transporting military goods on wagons that were being repaired in the NATO country? In addition to the destruction of equipment and damage to strategic railway lines, in the cars, there may be tracking systems for tracking the movement of goods. IMHO if there are no hard staff decisions and criminal prosecutions, then we have already lost.
    1. Demon_is_ada
      Demon_is_ada 14 December 2018 13: 16
      0
      You have the right thought, but I added purely IMHO hi Recently there was an article about a hole in the ISS casing. Well, there’s a debate about where the hole was made ... So, if this is American, then this result is the most acceptable for me laughing Well, you can not let them in to us, and if something, then poke your nose ...
      If it’s a saboteur at the factory (professional), then it’s annoying, to be honest, it’s a little ... The cost of rectifying the situation is not very big ... But if it’s jamshuts or our degenerates (new Russians), then there’s nowhere to be bothered. .. crying This is the beginning of an apocalypse, brainless and merciless ... Civilization is unfortunately technogenic, that is, the main materials are man-made, but ... in the government there are some grooms, gymnasts, actors, singers, lawyers and others who do not understand life support processes at all. .. based on the man-made component, they built their power laughing and pulling up their close ones in spirit ... It even exists in the Bible, they pardoned the thief and crucified the Savior, well, the thief understood them and was closer laughing ... and another, strange somehow, wise, generally not at all ours ... But they scratch their tongue be healthy, drawing bright prospects, only they don’t know and don’t know how to do it ... Here comes Moshiahe, the order is naived and the most interesting, they don’t even consider the option that Moshiahe was once or reluctant, in short, not to come ... So we are preparing for a digger dig and burrows, the mediation and ecology of the gentlemen laughing
  23. WEL7958
    WEL7958 14 December 2018 10: 53
    +1
    I read all the comments, with the logistics you have not really, that is, at all.
  24. Ros 56
    Ros 56 14 December 2018 10: 54
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    We have nowhere to repair the cars? What kind of nonsense, and who organized it, Time to ask the interest.
  25. Topotun
    Topotun 14 December 2018 10: 58
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    Well, shaking Estonia will not be so easy. And the owner of the wagons must answer .... And as I understand it, it’s not Estonia at all .... So the lawsuit will not reach Estonia soon ....
  26. Forest
    Forest 14 December 2018 11: 04
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    I hope that the logisticians at least learn from their mistakes and write down the clause in the contract - repair of cars at a Russian plant and with a guarantee of the integrity of transportation.
  27. renics
    renics 14 December 2018 11: 10
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    But apparently there were no repair companies left, everyone attacked oil and gas and drove it all west and east, completely power was perverted in its idiocy.
  28. kakvastam
    kakvastam 14 December 2018 11: 36
    +2
    Interestingly, but in Ukraine, cars are not being repaired?
    After all, they know how, and loading Russian enterprises is a shame.
  29. vvp2412
    vvp2412 14 December 2018 11: 41
    0
    this is normal? Repair rolling stock in a country that is aggressive towards us? In general, all economic cooperation with them must be reduced to a minimum! Let the EU have money!
  30. Chicha squad
    Chicha squad 14 December 2018 11: 45
    0
    But French cheese and shrimp and other delicacies are not sold in stores.
    1. spektr9
      spektr9 14 December 2018 12: 33
      0
      Sold, only now they are Belarusian laughing
  31. dgonni
    dgonni 14 December 2018 11: 46
    0
    Q.E.D! (https://topwar.ru/150634-nazvana-voennaja-tehnika-perevernuvshajasja-na-transsibe.html#comment-id-8830765), in the discussion of this news I immediately wrote for wheelsets. Diminished flange and voila. Responsibility lies with the one who released the car on the road.
  32. Avior
    Avior 14 December 2018 11: 51
    0
    the cause of the accident could be a breakdown of the wheelset

    but could not become.
    signed acts of acceptance?
  33. Ural-4320
    Ural-4320 14 December 2018 11: 58
    +1
    Quote: dvina71
    Quote: Less
    Maybe it was corny closer?

    The commonplace is that cars get on repair not because of breakdown .. (it would be tin), but in terms of mileage. After a certain mileage, it is necessary to carry out work from the car’s chassis .. In almost every city where there is a railway junction, there is a re-enterprise where such work is carried out. But the problem, judging by the article, is different .. Wheel pairs are not repaired and defective .., at the slightest suspicion, they are sent to a flaw detector .. And it does not depend on age, I transported couples after repairs both in 1977 and in 2008 .. just for the re-enterprise, from Ryazan, to us in Isakogorka ..

    Well do not tell. If the car is faulty and cannot be repaired at the VET, then it is unhooked for depot repair, even if it is necessary to overload it. And the mileage was introduced in the late 90s, when there were many wagons for repair, although they did not roll out the wheelsets either. Here is such an optimization.
    And yes, the first line of the instructions by the inspector-repairman of the wagons: "It is forbidden to put in the trains technically faulty wagons that do not ensure the safety of the cargo ..."
  34. Finoll
    Finoll 14 December 2018 12: 16
    -1
    And why was it being repaired in Estonia ????
  35. Ural-4320
    Ural-4320 14 December 2018 12: 25
    +4
    Quote: dgonni
    Q.E.D! (https://topwar.ru/150634-nazvana-voennaja-tehnika-perevernuvshajasja-na-transsibe.html#comment-id-8830765), in the discussion of this news I immediately wrote for wheelsets. Diminished flange and voila. Responsibility lies with the one who released the car on the road.

    It turns out that the inspector-repairman of the wagons is again to blame, because he did not find an undercut of the ridge at the VET. In general, to inspect the wagons, you need good experience so that in pieces of iron, tens of tons, covered with dirt, dust from pads and other shit, to detect tiny cracks and inconsistencies in millimeters. And at night to find them too, because VET work around the clock.
  36. Ural-4320
    Ural-4320 14 December 2018 14: 03
    +3
    It's funny that all the comments with an EXPLANATION of the technical side of the issue remained unanswered. However, the royal cries of "How was it allowed? !!" all in pluses. "How low has fallen to the secs" ...
  37. gorenina91
    gorenina91 14 December 2018 15: 13
    +2
    -I somehow forgot to mention that the derailed freight train 2138 ... is a military staff ...
    -And it was not loaded with Baltic sprats ... -and this military personnel transported tracked vehicles (tanks) and tanks with fuel oil ... -Something like that ...
    1. Ural-4320
      Ural-4320 14 December 2018 16: 36
      0
      Does train lettering affect the weather, the behavior of metals under load, the behavior of liquids in tanks?
      What do you hysteria, experts will understand, which led to the accident.
  38. Vladimir Postnikov
    Vladimir Postnikov 14 December 2018 16: 14
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    And where does Estonia come from? This could be a specific repair company in Estonia, where, most likely, the bulk of the workers are Russian-speaking residents of Estonia.
    The Estonian government has seen this lawsuit (you guess where), and, perhaps, even rubbing his hands with pleasure after the incident. Estonia, like Russia, is now a capitalist state.
  39. tverskoi
    tverskoi 14 December 2018 17: 36
    +1
    Here you have the level of defense capability of the Russian Federation - the entire rolling stock has been privatized, and in some cases served in NATO camps.
  40. sah4199
    sah4199 14 December 2018 19: 10
    -1
    Quote: spektr9
    Let me tell you a "secret" PRIVATE carriages travel along the railways of our country.

    Since when have private wagons transported defense property?


    In the photo - not the property of Moscow Region - the numbers are painted over.
    These are the products of Voentorg, with which vacationers went on vacation to the Donbass.
    There, on vacation, it is clear that something broke and the pieces of iron were taken for repair or disposal.
  41. Yarik
    Yarik 14 December 2018 20: 16
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    Russian Railways will not prove anything !!!! How many such cases were with cars after repairs in Ukraine. And not one proved !!!!
  42. Litvinov
    Litvinov 14 December 2018 22: 21
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    Of course it can! There is no doubt about it! But also I have no doubt that there will be no presentation!
  43. Hypersound
    Hypersound 14 December 2018 22: 54
    0
    Here are the creatures. Of course they must be condemned. And never be serviced there again
  44. bang
    bang 15 December 2018 00: 42
    0
    The article notes that after the incident, Russian experts conducted a technical examination of the 51 car, which was previously repaired in Estonia. It turned out that 12 of them do not meet the requirements.

    12 what? Wagons, examinations, wheels, specialists?
  45. Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 December 2018 03: 48
    0
    What nonsense, repairing cars in the country of a conditional enemy?
    They would have drove to Lviv for repairs ...
    First of all, dry .. dry those that thought of repairing cars in Estonia and
    stop doing this garbage. Then drive all the wagons with Estonian repair to our depots
    and iterate from and to.
  46. LORD-72
    LORD-72 15 December 2018 05: 56
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    What to give someone to repair their wagons !? For about 20 years I have heard how Russia will block the cargo flow of its containers in the ports of the Baltic states not today or tomorrow. And in the end, they began to import their wagons for repair ...
  47. 123456789
    123456789 15 December 2018 12: 29
    0
    "Every accident has a name, surname and position."

    Commissar of Railways Lazar Kaganovich.
    It seems to me that this quote is very appropriate these days.
  48. nikvic46
    nikvic46 16 December 2018 08: 41
    0
    Maybe or wants, these are completely different things.
  49. trophy
    trophy 17 December 2018 16: 36
    0
    So there was another reason to say thanks to Mr. Yakunin, a close friend and comrade-in-arms of our great GDP, reformer of the Ministry of Railways and at the same time delivery of the holy fire of all Russia.