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How killed the Soviet civilization

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The first phase of the destruction of the Soviet civilization began under Khrushchev, when the Soviet elite abandoned the Stalinist course of development of society, the creation of a society of the future. The Communist Party has abandoned its role as the moral, intellectual leader of civilization and the people. That is, abandoned his fate.




By the beginning of the 1950s, socialist society had taken place, the system gained momentum. The people sincerely believed that they were building the most just, kind and strong country. Hence the mass folk art, invention and genuine enthusiasm. The great victory, the rapid restoration of the country and new shock construction projects changed the Union literally before our eyes. It seemed that there was still dumb, and Russia-USSR would win historical a debate about the superiority of the light side of man over his dark side, good over evil, spirit over matter. This was not a competition between socialism and capitalism (this was the visible side), but between justice and injustice, good and evil. And we had all the prerequisites for a new great victory. The USSR had every chance to become the “king of the hill” on the planet, to complete Soviet (Russian) globalization.

However, the party leadership was frightened of this future, of its people, of its creative, creative impulse. Instead of a breakthrough into the future, overtaking an animal predatory West for a thousand years, the nomenklatura chose stability ("stagnation"). The owners of the country were afraid of the new reality. Instead of dynamics, stability was chosen, instead of change - firmness. Therefore, the grave of Stalin littered with garbage, his image blackened. All kinds of Solzhenitsyn were used to create the myth of “the bloody dictator” and the lies of “tens of millions of innocently repressed”. The noble impulse of the people began to extinguish. First, with the help of radicalism and voluntarism of Khrushchev, the development of virgin soil, the corn and meat "epic", the harsh demilitarization with the collapse of the most combat-ready units and the expulsion of military cadres, the "thaw", etc. Then began the Brezhnev "stagnation" with his "big deal" between the party elite and the people.

So The second phase of the destruction of the Soviet civilization began. The party elite has relied on material needs and personal interest. Enthusiasm is replaced by "long ruble." Matter wins spirit. At the same time, in words, the people were promised a quick offensive of communism, but now they were just words, an empty form without an action. Now the nomenclature was thinking not how to conquer the old world, capitalism, but how to reconcile with it, how to negotiate coexistence with the Western elite. Thus, the new super-civilization and the society of the future was dealt a mortal blow. Soviet civilization and the people betrayed. The door to tomorrow closed. Began the rapid degeneration of the Soviet elite, its bourgeoisie. Soon the rotten part of the Soviet elite and its national cadres will wish to destroy the USSR in order to appropriate people's property and become “new masters” in the old capitalist world, part of the global “elite” mafia. This will be the third phase of the collapse of the Soviet project, which will end with the 1991 disaster of the year. - the second in a century terrible disaster of Russian civilization and the people.

The powerful pace and energy of development set under Stalin could not be stopped immediately. Therefore, the country was still developing rapidly. Not surprisingly, the first half of Brezhnev’s reign became the “golden age” of the USSR. Life has improved. The hardships of mobilization, war and its consequences are a thing of the past. For the first time in its history, Russia-USSR lived in complete safety, no one would dare to attack our country. There was still hope for the victory of communism. Kosygin reform strengthened the economy, gave it a new impetus for development.

However, the problem was that now the successes in the economy, the development of the territory, the cosmos and military affairs were no longer based on the energy of creation. The party elite has stopped thinking about a “bright future” for everyone. The party now was only concerned with the struggle for power and bargaining with the West for the best conditions for coexistence. At the same time, under Brezhnev, the USSR found an “Eldorado” - huge deposits of “black gold”. USSR mastered the oil deposits of Western Siberia. At the end of the 1960-s, the Union begins a massive export of oil. Arab-Israeli wars 1967 and 1973 led to a sharp rise in oil prices. The West has experienced a severe oil crisis. Moscow received a powerful source of currency inflows. And the Soviet elite stakes on massive energy exports. The Russian Federation will repeat this strategic mistake.

The model was simple: we sell “black gold” to the West, we get currency, and with these funds we buy everything we want in the same Europe. Kosygin reforms collapse. Why develop and improve the economy, if everything is okay? The Soviet economy is becoming flawed: instead of creating and doing independently, the Union began to buy everything. The economy of the oil and gas pipe appears. From this moment on, the USSR begins to lag in a number of industries, many breakthrough programs are curtailed. So, science was still well funded, Russian scientists continued to invent, create new magnificent technologies, equipment, machines, but for the most part it went under the cloth, went to the archive. Why invent and work efficiently if you can just sell raw materials? The party elite already preferred not to bother themselves, but to buy in the West. The old disease of the Russian “elite” is being revived - to consider that the Western is obviously better than its own, Russian. Even with its own, with a higher quality, was chosen Western.

Production and science in the USSR begin to live separately from each other. High qualification, progress and high breakthrough technologies continue to be appreciated in the military-industrial complex of the USSR. In fact, a huge number of breakthrough technologies were accumulated in the Soviet military industrial complex at that time, which could turn the Union into a space, military, and economic superpower, a decade ahead of the rest of the world. However, unlike the United States, where all the best from the defense industry was immediately mastered in civilian production (dual technologies), in the Brezhnev USSR the military industrial complex lived separately from the country. Science and the defense industry were still going forward, to the future, creating super-civilization, and the authorities, the people were accustomed to live in a stagnant swamp.

The psychological, social, and economic consequences of “oil communism” were terrible. In fact, the authorities and the people then made a “big deal”. People got the opportunity to live beyond their means, raise their standard of living without regard to the growth of production efficiency and labor productivity. Most buy "freebie." They say that the people suffered for a long time and tightened their belts, let them now live in fullness. In exchange, the Soviet elite got the right to quietly curtail the course of building communism, rot, begin a soft privatization of national wealth and begin negotiations with the West on coexistence and merger.

Under Brezhnev, the leveling inherited from Khrushchev was intensified and reached marasmus. Under Stalin, aces pilots, professors could receive more Allied ministers. And during the "stagnation" an engineer in the USSR turns into an ordinary worker, the salary of a trolleybus driver is compared with the income of a candidate of science. Stalin's healthy hierarchy: the higher the qualifications - the more the salary goes into the past. A healthy work ethic is dying. It is not surprising that, under Stalin, scientific and technical progress went by leaps and bounds, and under Brezhnev, the military-industrial complex faded away or was enclosed with an “iron curtain”.

A new parasitic, degradation class is ripening. Imported goods were scarce. They had to be bought illegally with overpayment from the workers of the Soviet trade, people who have the opportunity to visit abroad. Thus, the basis for the emergence of a class of traders-speculators. In the USSR, there is a "gray market", underground criminal capitals. At the same time, these tendencies were stronger and more pronounced in the national suburbs, in the Caucasus and in Central Asia. Being such a speculator, a person admitted to distribution, becomes more profitable than a pilot, a border guard or a scientist, a teacher. Ripens class interested in the collapse of the Soviet empire.

therefore the rise and the "golden age" of Brezhnev quickly faded away. Ideas and ideals faded. There comes disappointment in such “oil communism” and the party (while the people still have respect for Stalin). Materialism takes the place of spiritual ideals., "Sausage" and "jeans". At the place of exploration of the Moon and Mars, the depths of the oceans comes a miserable and gray reality. And the place of national culture is taken by “pops” - an American (western) surrogate of culture. The disintegration of society begins. Party nobility and ordinary people want a “beautiful life”, pictures of which they see in Western films or during business trips abroad. People begin to jam the void in their souls with alcohol, mass alcoholization of Soviet society begins. Hence the growth of crime, the growth of carriers of criminal ethics.

The “big deal” began to turn the people into a corrupted “flock”, not wanting to work well and hard, but wanting “a beautiful life”. They form the image of the "fairytale West" - a rich and beautiful world, where everything is good and complete freedom. There is a division of the Soviet people, a single monolith is destroyed. Nationalism is reborn, which, after the collapse of the USSR, will be reborn into open Nazism. The Georgian, Baltic or Ukrainian intelligentsia is told that their nations are better than others, that by getting rid of the “scoop” (Russian, “moskaley”), they will live much better. At the same time, everyone subconsciously believed that the achievements of the USSR would be preserved: no threat of war, a high level of development of education and health care, low crime rates, free kindergartens, schools and institutes, free apartments, low prices for housing and communal services (gas, electricity , water, etc.) and other achievements of socialism.

Thus, the degeneration of Soviet nobility destroyed Soviet civilization. If under Stalin, the elite was disciplined, responsible, and placed on domestic culture, education, science, technology and production, then after the great leader, an anti-elite began to form, which looked to the West and dreamed of privatizing national property, “to live beautifully”. The decay was swift, and in the second period of Brezhnev’s reign, the party elite and its national cadres did not rely on the victory of the USSR in a historical confrontation with the West, but on the collapse and defeat of Soviet civilization. It seemed to the Soviet anti-elite that there were so many national property and resources that the great Russia (USSR) could be dismembered and feasted on its ruins. Enough for them and their families. Great betrayal and looting will allow them to become part of the already global mafia.

As a result, we lost the great Soviet civilization, the project of creating a society of the future. The USSR collapsed not because of the inefficiency of the economy and exorbitant military spending, not because of the strength of the West, which won us in space, military, and scientific and technological competition. We collapsed because of the betrayal of the “elite”, who exchanged a great and wonderful future for Western “beads”.
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  1. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 05: 30
    +31
    Yes. Poganets Khrushchev brought down the ruble more than twice.
    Corned horseradish.
    So that the devils would rattle him with a boot in the next world. am
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 15 December 2018 05: 57
      +10
      Khrushchev may be a bastard, but he is a product of the system that developed then, and the following has developed: That centralization of power in the AUCPB and further the CPSU is the culprit of all troubles, when all who have at least some slightest opinion different from the ruling elite enemies and destroyed, all in some way disagree with the government destroyed. Maybe at some time in the beginning it was in some way, but not in everything, necessary to strengthen the power of the Bolsheviks, but then it became a habit and became the norm, which later led to a disaster - the collapse of the USSR. So Khrushchev could not rule differently, this applies to Brezhnev and the rest who were in power at that time and decided something.
      The Communist Party has abandoned its role as the moral, intellectual leader of civilization and the people. That is, abandoned his fate.
      She didn’t refuse - she couldn’t correct in time her own elite, who became a collective dictator, who held her in hedgehogs.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 06: 06
        +10
        Quote: Tatar 174
        So Khrushchev could not rule differently,

        Do you think the collapse of the ruble two and six times - could not he? It was the poet in Novocherkassk who attended the rally. IMHO.
        1. Tatar 174
          Tatar 174 15 December 2018 06: 10
          +5
          He could, he could not do otherwise, since he had left the ruling system that had brought him up. All troubles had a root in the dictatorship of the ruling elite, which operated within the framework of a kind of charter that had only two points: 1. The leader is always right. 2 If the leader is wrong, see point one ...
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 06: 13
            +29
            Quote: Tatar 174
            He could, he could not do otherwise

            Could. Poganets destroyed all the artels, brought down the ruble, which is why prices at the bazaar jumped.
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 15 December 2018 06: 52
              +39
              Ay yes, the author! Well - the eagle!
              I summed up all the results at once ...
              At all times, coups, changes in the course of the monarchies of authoritarian regimes were carried out by the most ordinary palace (intra-party) conspiracy. This did not require the participation of the masses. Both anarchy and democracy were deprived of the possibility of change without the participation of the people.
              I do not know what values, according to the author, were brought down by Khrushchev, but it was during his reign that relations with China deteriorated. As a result of the 1961 monetary reform, the ruble lost its "Stalinist" gold content. Many failed (wrecking) steps were made in the economy, when corn was preferred even in the Far North. It was in his time that a mass exodus of people from the village began (although life there always was difficult and not "comfortable"). It was he who reduced the army and threw out the military without a pension, who had to serve not 2-3 years, but only a few months.
              The real turn (here I agree) towards the recognition of the "values" of the West occurred during the LIB. It was during the years of his reign that the final corruption of the party elite took place, and the people zealously took notes of Brezhnev's scientific works and reports and expressed feelings at demonstrations. The first "bells" about an incomprehensible situation in the economy during prolonged kisses with leaders and unprecedented help to everyone and everyone in whose name "com" and "social" were present were the rise in prices for vodka, gasoline and gold.
              Further radical changes were required. How this could be done, Andropov indirectly showed.
              But, when in the structures of a well-known department, knowing the ins and outs of all citizens of the USSR and not only, there was a choice between the USSR and Russia, socialism and capitalism, the announcement of this could play the role of a torch, setting fire to the fuse. A new "super task" has appeared - to arouse the hatred of the population by the socialist system. And with the disappearance of grocery and industrial goods on the shelves, "the stone has moved." Inspired and brainwashed in their belief in the infallibility of power, the people rushed to their national apartments and opened their arms to Uncle Sam.
              As long as people are not swollen with hunger and have some money in their pocket, any government can continue to revel in impunity and use all its privileges. But this will not be a fact of high social welfare.
              We lost Soviet civilization due to two reasons:
              due to personal indifference and violation of rights and freedoms;
              because of ordinary human fear, which implies the primacy of the principle - my hut from the edge.

              DIVIDE AND RULE!
              Divided and conquer. And no persuasion to tear from the feeder in the name of addressing the needs of society will not succeed. Examples of this are darkness. The most recent is France.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 07: 12
                +9
                Quote: ROSS 42
                A lot of disastrous (wrecking) steps were taken in the economy, when corn was preferred even in areas of the Far North

                We caught up with America
                In milk production
                But they didn’t catch up with meat,
                The member broke in the bull. wassat
                1. For example
                  For example 15 December 2018 10: 08
                  +14
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  there was a choice between the USSR and Russia

                  This choice never existed.
                  This nonsense rejoiced after the next dismemberment of our country RUSSIA.

                  Well, at least remember the anthem:
                  The union of the indestructible republics of free was rallied forever by the great Russia.

                  Civilization is RUSSIAN.

                  Now many rushed to loot the loot to the USSR. Fashionable.
                  And it is the "Samsonov Alexandras" that oppose the USSR and Russia.
                  Thus, being the successors of the affairs of Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin on the collapse of our homeland.
                  HOMELAND which is more than a thousand years old.
                  And the Russian civilization is more than a thousand years old.
                  And the Soviet Union is only the era of our history. Part of the development of our Russian civilization.

                  Anglo-Saxons, for example, do not oppose the USSR and Russia. They consider us a single Russian people.
                  And here their "patriots" are devouring from the inside.


                  God willing, we will live as a single country.
                  1. Ross xnumx
                    Ross xnumx 15 December 2018 10: 55
                    +14
                    Quote: For example
                    This choice never existed.
                    This nonsense rejoiced after the next dismemberment of our country RUSSIA.

                    Maybe I stupidly arranged the words, maybe you read the wrong words, but we did not understand each other, although we think in the same direction.
                    I clarify. Remember the referendum on preserving the USSR. When almost 78% voted for the first of five questions:
                    1. Do you consider it necessary to preserve the USSR as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics, in which human rights and freedoms of any nationality will be fully guaranteed? (Well no)
                    2. Do you consider it necessary to preserve the USSR as a single state? (Well no)
                    3. Do you consider it necessary to preserve the socialist system in the USSR? (Well no)
                    4. Do you consider it necessary to preserve the Soviet Union in the renewed Union? (Well no)
                    5. Do you consider it necessary to guarantee in the renewed Union of human rights and freedoms of a person of any nationality? (Well no)

                    But, the HMS, whose role in the collapse of the USSR is not known only ... by a Zimbabwean citizen, abstained from voting on the issue of private property. As a result, the people said their word and ... after that ... I repeat ...IT IS AFTER THIS there (above) it became clear that the authority of popular opinion (expression of will) will be supported by both the army and law enforcement agencies. Then (most likely) the decision was made to push the solution of the issue of the collapse of the USSR and move on to the creation of independent states. Those who lived at that time remember both the Pauline reforms and various Gorbachev polemics with the search for consensus.
                    Having torn the USSR with the creation of the CIS, they achieved only one goal - the destruction of Russian civilization ... I will skip 1993-2018 (until March) the period that showed in figures that the Russian civilization has undergone and continues to be subjected to genocide - systematic destruction (a priori - to prevent the full-blooded growth of the number of citizens title nation). Only a narrow-minded person does not understand that all these "government concerns" have nothing to do with the joy of the Fatherland. Nowhere in nature can you find such a thing - they grow, take care of, cultivate, give additional food, create normal conditions, but it does not grow.
                    Therefore, I am of the opinion that this economic system in Russia will exist until the majority of people do not understand the futility of further existence.
                    1. For example
                      For example 15 December 2018 13: 01
                      +10
                      I agree.
                      Now we live with faith in the Fatherland and absolute rejection of the economic course of the ruling elite.
                      It is important in this situation not to destroy the country completely.

                      But God knows how to get rid of this handful of people preaching state capitalism.
                      A system in which a handful of people live on at the expense of the natural wealth of Russia, and we are not satisfied with the requisitions of a Russian person.

                      I hope God will tell you, and we will hear.
                      1. Victor N
                        Victor N 15 December 2018 16: 47
                        +2
                        Well get rid. And what in return?
                      2. sagitch
                        sagitch 15 December 2018 17: 02
                        +2
                        Do not give birth, bequeath to children and grandchildren, do not give birth to slaves for the top, for this handful of oligarchs. thieves, etc ...., 50 will pass, and a little more years, and their children, will become slaves to the Rothschilds, etc. will serve them yourself !!!
                      3. Park
                        Park 15 December 2018 20: 55
                        0
                        The Lord whom He wants to offer, and whom He wants to let. Will the Rothschilds be in 50 years? Who knows ... And you keep the commandments and sleep peacefully ...
                      4. Lister
                        Lister 21 December 2020 12: 08
                        +19
                        There is a saying "Trust in God, but do not make a mistake yourself."
                      5. Pardus
                        Pardus 10 March 2021 12: 59
                        +17
                        Quite right. "No one will give us deliverance."
                      6. Pardus
                        Pardus 10 March 2021 12: 59
                        +19
                        Quote: Park
                        The Lord lifts up whom he wants, and whom he wants to let him in.

                        The matter is not in the Lord God, but in us.
                        Quote: Park
                        And you obey the commandments and sleep well ...

                        The serfs kept the same commandments ...
                        Quote: Park
                        Will there be Rothschilds in 50 years?

                        For more than 200 years, everyone has been asking the question: will they be in so many years. And they all exist ...
                      7. Pardus
                        Pardus 10 March 2021 12: 56
                        +19
                        Including through elections. You need to go to them and vote correctly. The second is for the Communist Parties to strengthen their work with the people. It is necessary to convey to the people your thoughts and ideas, as the Bolsheviks did in their time.
                    2. nils
                      nils 15 December 2018 13: 10
                      +22
                      An interesting thought: who would the famous "figures" be today if perestroika had not happened?

                      - Most likely, Lieutenant Colonel Putin would retire as a lieutenant colonel and maybe get a job as a security chief at some factory; lawyer Medvedev at the same or another plant would be an ordinary lawyer and (what doesn’t happen!) would still suffer a dissertation by his retirement.

                      - "Wise" Professor Sobchak would have worked as a professor at Leningrad State University, supporting no less "wise policy of the CPSU", and modestly lived with his chaste daughter and wife in an ordinary three-room apartment.

                      - Khodorkovsky from the Komsomol workers would have reached the secretary of the party committee of some factory, and Berezovsky would have moved forward mathematical science.

                      -Kasparov would be the idol of his Baku compatriots and introduced the masses to chess.

                      - Starovoitova and Salier would go to lectures at their institutes and teach students the sciences of the suffering knowledge.

                      - Stepashin (maybe, or maybe not) would earnestly get to the colonel’s post, because in Leningrad and the region only the head of the fire department of the Central Internal Affairs Directorate and several of his deputies served as fire colonels.

                      - Shoigu, who does not have a military education and has not served in the army for a single day, would "enslave" at the construction sites of the Krasnoyarsk Territory and dissociate his native Tuvan people from shamanism.

                      - Chubais, Kudrin and Gref, in the absence of economic talents, would sell products on the collective farm market or turn around as senior sellers in Passages and Gostiny Dvors, and their partner Serdyukov would sell domestic furniture within the framework of the corresponding store.

                      - the ex - minister of Moscow region, the ex - vice - premier, the head of the Ivanov administration, in their specialty in high school, would teach children literature and the Russian language, would rise to the school principal, the benefit of teachers is many, and teachers are in short supply.

                      - Dudayev would be a well-deserved Soviet general, and Basayev, Kadyrov and Raduyev, starting his career with members of the Komsomol, in indestructible unity with the Russian people, would raise the socialist economy in the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic.

                      - Political manager Volkogonov, aviator Shaposhnikov, together with the paratroopers Grachev and Lebed, would have been sent to retirement service (under Comrade Stalin they would most likely have been identified and shot for treason).

                      - "People's" and "honored artists" Khazanov, Basilashvili, Akhedzhakova, Zhvanetsky, Mark Zakharov, Volchek and others who hated the USSR after its collapse, the living Soviet Union would most likely be praised and glorified, and director Govorukhin would create films about the wrong one " Russia, which we have lost, "but about Soviet Russia, which we acquired and raised from the past years of poverty and lawlessness.

                      - Posner would cite the example of America as a socialist way of life in the Soviet Union, and Svanidze would not be allowed to enter the screen at all, because he couldn’t come out with a physiognomy.

                      - The cosmonauts Leonov and Tereshkova would remain an example for ALL the people.

                      All of the above-mentioned "gentlemen - comrades" openly and for show would sing the praises of the party, the government and members of the "Leninist Politburo" headed by the "dear and beloved" General Secretary at that time and would solemnly condemn the corrupted influence of capital.

                      However, in view of their insignificance and of little use, we would simply not even know about most of these "figures", and would never have heard of them.

                      - The Rostropovichs - Solzhenitsyn, Berl Lazar and other overseas repatriates, gurus and perverts would not be allowed to enter our doorstep; Pussy and Femen, realizing their dreams, fart would have copulated with Obama in the wild West; homosexuals and drug addicts would be treated socially - with useful labor in mines and sawmills, and pedophiles and drug traffickers would be destroyed on the basis of the relevant articles of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR and the Union State.

                      - Sakharov and his wife Bonner would be kept under house arrest in the city of Gorky (in the Soviet Stalinist state they would also receive "the highest measure of social protection" for anti-Soviet activities with the CIA), and individuals like Novodvorskaya would while away their days in psychiatric hospitals. ..

                      AND THE ONE AND POWERFUL LABOR SOVIET PEOPLE CONTINUED TO LIVE AT THIS HONESTLY, LIGHT AND JOY.

                      From satirical notes of the Russian bard and publicist A.A. Kharchikova
                    3. astepanov
                      astepanov 15 December 2018 17: 55
                      -2
                      The term "titular nation" openly smacks of fascism. It stinks. Ukraine also has a "titular nation" - with all that it implies. Does the example of Ukraine scare you?
                  2. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 15 December 2018 12: 51
                    -1
                    Quote: For example
                    there was a choice between the USSR and Russia

                    This choice never existed.
                    This nonsense rejoiced after the next dismemberment of our country RUSSIA.

                    Well, at least remember the anthem:
                    The union of the indestructible republics of free was rallied forever by the great Russia.

                    Our civilization is Russian

                    Oh how! Tell me, who, besides the Russians, believed in the republics that the USSR is Russia (Western countries should not be offered)?

                    You would be very painfully dissuaded EVERYWHERE.
                    1. For example
                      For example 15 December 2018 13: 10
                      +11
                      Olgovich, they considered themselves Russian:
                      Bagration, Vladimir Dahl, Marc Chagall, Barclay de Tolly, Pushkin ........

                      People who lived in Russia spoke Russian, served Russia, considered themselves Russian and were Russian.
                      Russian is an affiliation to Russian civilization.

                      Until the 17th year, there were no nationalities in the administrative division of our homeland.
                      After the 17th year, revolutionaries divided our country into parts. Stalin a little later these dividers shot fuck. But he didn’t manage to rid the Motherland of the republics. I did not have time to unite the country. War did not allow.

                      So Russia cracked exactly along these fictitious borders.

                      Your frenzied nationalism is not worth the hatch.
                      Russians are from Yeltsin. Substitution of concepts. Continuation of dividing by nationality.
                      Russian we. All. Everyone who lives in this country and speaks Russian. And we have hundreds of peoples. But all together we are Russian.

                      And the one who ssy.kun and nationalist calls himself a Russian.

                      You will get acquainted with the civilizations that existed and exist on earth. Understand what civilization is.
                      1. Xazarin
                        Xazarin 15 December 2018 17: 26
                        +1
                        You are deeply mistaken. I can prove by personal example. Native language is Russian, education is Russian school, universities are also Russian. In short, brought up in Russian culture, but I never feel Russian, a completely different mentality. Stop rushing with your Russianness and people will reach you. As for Bagration or Barclay, they felt themselves most likely to be subjects of the Russian Tsar, but I strongly doubt that they are Russian.
                      2. Nikolaevich I
                        Nikolaevich I 16 December 2018 12: 05
                        +5
                        Quote: Xazarin
                        As for Bagration or Barclay, they felt themselves most likely to be subjects of the Russian Tsar, but I strongly doubt that they are Russian.

                        When the Greeks, Germans, Polovtsians, Pechenegs, Tatars switched to "Russian service", the system of "awards and incentives" included not only "lands and money ... not only titles, but also the title of" Russian "! And the Greeks, Polovtsians, Pechenegs, Tatars in every possible way achieved this "title"! And having earned it, they were proud! And many ancient Russian princely "dynasties" have (had) in their ancestors "foreigners"! And these "dynasties" have always been proud of the fact that they are Russian !
                      3. Xazarin
                        Xazarin 16 December 2018 14: 04
                        +2
                        Can a source, about the "title of Russian" never heard? With regards to the Bagratids, this dynasty will be older than the Romanovs, moreover, significantly. All that I affirm - mentality, not culture, determines nationality.
                      4. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 16 December 2018 18: 04
                        +4
                        "Here is the Russian spirit, here it smells of Russia" - do not remind whose words? And teach Bagration's phrases about his belonging to the Russian people better.
                        But I agree with the fact that the national mentality determines the essence of a person. This is especially noticeable in the "chosen by God". wink
                      5. Xazarin
                        Xazarin 17 December 2018 01: 48
                        +1
                        Let me remind you, Alexander Sergeyev Pushkin. Bring phrases, I will teach with pleasure. The essence of man is determined by education, not mentality.
                      6. Xazarin
                        Xazarin 17 December 2018 06: 50
                        +3
                        I have to admit that you are right about Bagration.

                        “It is known that the grandfather of the future commander Alexander Iesseevich, the late son of the Kartlian king Jesse, left for Russia in 1759, quarreling with the ruling monarch in Georgia, and enlisted in the Russian army with the rank of lieutenant colonel”

                        “I can’t do it together with the Minister of War ... And the whole main apartment of the Germans is filled so that it’s impossible for the Russian to live and there’s no sense”

                        In the third generation, he had the mentality of a Russian person, perhaps my grandchildren will consider themselves Russian.
                        True, the last phrase proves that Barclay is all the same German and not Russian) well, or someone like the Dutchman.
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                      8. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 16 December 2018 07: 55
                        +3
                        Quote: For example
                        Olgovich, they considered themselves Russian:
                        Bagration, Vladimir Dahl, Marc Chagall, Barclay de Tolly, Pushkin .....

                        It was in RUSSIA, and not in the USSR.

                        USSR considered Russia only RUSSIAN

                        Quote: For example
                        People who lived in Russia spoke Russian, served Russia, considered themselves Russian and were Russian.
                        Russian is an affiliation to Russian civilization.

                        And?
                        Quote: For example
                        Until the 17th year, there were no nationalities in the administrative division of our homeland.
                        After the 17th year, revolutionaries divided our country into parts. Stalin a little later these dividers shot fuck. But he didn’t manage to rid the Motherland of the republics. I did not have time to unite the country. War did not allow.

                        Learn HISTORY, "expert": under Stalin, the territory of Russia decreased by 4 million km2 and tens of millions of people, and before the war.
                        Quote: For example
                        Your frenzied nationalism is not worth the hatch.
                        Russians are from Yeltsin. Substitution of concepts. Continuation of dividing by nationality.

                        What nationalism, what nonsense ....
                      9. nezvaniy_gost
                        nezvaniy_gost 16 December 2018 14: 39
                        0
                        "For example", he shot them, but for some reason he did not return everything to square one. Don't blame everything on wars. It's just that this system was convenient for the Bolsheviks, incl. for Stalin by itself. In addition, it helped to avoid colonial wars after the civil war and gave time to prepare for the very war on which you are blaming everything.
                      10. Pardus
                        Pardus 10 March 2021 13: 05
                        +16
                        Quote: nezvaniy_gost
                        It's just that this system was convenient for the Bolsheviks.

                        Not for the Bolsheviks, but for the people of our country.
                      11. Pardus
                        Pardus 10 March 2021 13: 06
                        +12
                        Stalin shot these dividers a little later. But I didn't manage to rid the Motherland of the republics.

                        And Stalin was not going to rid the USSR of the republics. You probably don't know his era well.
                  3. Silhouette
                    Silhouette 16 December 2018 12: 32
                    -2
                    There was no Soviet civilization. There was a short time period in the history of decaying Russia after the disaster of 1917. The Soviet period was doomed to death, which was predicted by all smart people of post-revolutionary Russia - Berdyaev, Solonevich, Ilyin and many others who fought with the Bolsheviks. They turned out to be right, and not all of these Stalinists, Khrushchevs and Brezhnevs, whose personalities laid down the logical sequence of the dying of the Soviet system, not based on the national interests of the Russian people. Soviet time is the time when Russian civilization died.
                  4. Pardus
                    Pardus 10 March 2021 12: 55
                    +21
                    Not only the Anglo-Saxons, the whole world has always considered our country to be Russia. And in the days of the USSR we were called Soviet Russia.
                2. Tarhan
                  Tarhan 15 December 2018 10: 17
                  -1
                  The member broke in the bull.

                  And further. All sane people experienced a gut twist of laughter when, at party congresses, achievements in various sectors of the economy were compared with the imperial year of 1913. And this was also in the 80 years ???.
                  To make it easier, simplified. In tsarist Russia in 1913, only 10 cars were produced per year, and under Soviet rule in 1960, 10.

                  Only one indicator was not compared, it is meat consumption per capita. The Soviet government never had that number of cattle.
                  1. Ross xnumx
                    Ross xnumx 15 December 2018 10: 59
                    +26
                    Quote: Tarkhan
                    The Soviet government never had that number of cattle.

                    And the number of cattle that divorced today under the Soviet regime could not exist in fact.
                    1. Mestny
                      Mestny 15 December 2018 11: 45
                      +5
                      "Why not steal if there is no one to calm down?"
                      They did not "divorce" from anywhere, they did not come from any planet.
                      We ourselves are like that - they don’t hit the hat, so go for a flaw.
                      Socialism was built was built - as a result of shish with oil. We are building-building capitalism - the same shish, only without oil.
                    2. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 15 December 2018 12: 56
                      +1
                      Quote: ROSS 42
                      And the number of cattle that divorced today under the Soviet regime could not exist in fact.
                      Reply

                      And where did they come from Mars? Or did they grow up, nevertheless, AT PRA power, or did their parents grow up under it?
                      Like tens of millions charged water and treated enuresis in front of the TV and sobbed over the delirium of "isaura slaves" - they were also grown then.
                    3. Tarhan
                      Tarhan 16 December 2018 13: 04
                      -2
                      And the number of cattle that divorced today under the Soviet regime could not exist in fact.

                      Are you calling cattle those who do not agree with your opinion?

                      Under Soviet rule, the Bolsheviks were cattle, and not cattle but vampires. That is why no one entered the barricades in 1991 to protect the ghouls.

                      Despite the fact that they turned their entire board on radio and TV.

                      "Feel free to go to battle.
                      For the power of the Soviets.
                      And as one die.
                      In the struggle for this. "

                      But no one went out to die, even party secretaries of all levels did not come out - rot. The people were called to die for themselves. But they themselves didn’t come out.
                      1. Pardus
                        Pardus 10 March 2021 13: 04
                        +19
                        Nobody called anyone in 1991, except for supporters of ebn. Would you like to see how the country is drowning in blood? Are you not enough of the blood of the people that Westerners have shed for centuries?
                3. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 15 December 2018 12: 45
                  +4
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  We caught up with America
                  In milk production
                  But they didn’t catch up with meat,
                  Bull member

                  Soon, soon to my judgment
                  I'm sitting shaking!
                  Awarded five eggs
                  And I ... do not rush!
                  , wassat
                  (blessed (according to the article) times of collecting journalism from peasants
              2. New Year day
                New Year day 15 December 2018 10: 57
                +5
                Quote: ROSS 42
                due to personal indifference and violation of rights and freedoms;
                because of ordinary human fear, which implies the primacy of the principle - my hut from the edge.

                but what about now? It seems to me. that nothing has changed in this regard
                1. Mestny
                  Mestny 15 December 2018 11: 54
                  +1
                  And what was supposed to change? Has the person ceased to need food, shelter and other amenities?
                  Here again I will mention the clearest example - the Strugatsky brothers with their "Noon XXI century".
                  There, all the aforementioned are produced by machines, in any quantities. And people who are spared the need to get food and other benefits are engaged in science, art, and the development of new worlds. That is, they have no basic problems of elementary survival.
                  Everything is fine.
                  True, the authors are silent - who built all these wonderful machines. Automatic factories, robots and delivery lines.
                  Any project on the happiness of mankind will inexorably break into the basic human needs of survival.
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day 15 December 2018 12: 00
                    +5
                    Well then, the historical past hangs over us. We can repeat the fate of the USSR
                    1. Mestny
                      Mestny 15 December 2018 12: 19
                      +5
                      The worst thing is that it’s not that the historical past hangs, but namely the basic properties of the personality in general. That is, animal qualities necessary for survival - I apologize, eat, sleep warm, and copulate.
                      No matter what models of development of society brilliant minds come up with, the vast majority of people will still place these qualities first.
                      In other words, any attempt to build a fair way of life will sooner or later degenerate into inequality, though for some time it is covered up by the ideology of this very justice. People, participants in the process, will gradually do it themselves. And when the difference between a high goal and reality reaches a certain limit - everything will collapse under the joyful cries of the people.
                      As a matter of fact, this is what we observed in the late USSR - officially everyone heard about the building of communism, and below, at the level of ordinary people, a variant of spontaneous capitalism with elements of natural exchange "you are me - I am you" was already flourishing.
                      Is it possible to build again a system such as it was in the USSR?
                      Probably under certain conditions it is possible. But the result will be exactly the same as the previous time.
                      Obviously, a different theory of social justice, built taking into account the XNUMXst century and experience gained, is needed instead. That is, at least a new Lenin is needed.
                      Is there such a person, and such theories? No, and so far is not even foreseen.
                      That is why modern communists who talk about the possibility of building the USSR can be considered as deceivers, realizing their own goals. Namely, all the same - access to the feeder. Their goal is not power, like Putin’s. Their goal is a certain piece of cake, making money. What is being successfully implemented by them.
                      But what does this have to do with building a just society?
                      1. New Year day
                        New Year day 15 December 2018 12: 20
                        +3
                        hard to challenge
                      2. Mestny
                        Mestny 15 December 2018 12: 24
                        +4
                        A just society must be tried to build, without which humanity will not survive. And we are not among the first to survive, which of course is much closer to the heart.
                        But here - how? How to do it?
                        Honestly, I’m sure - now a clear and understandable at least preliminary plan has appeared in the field of vision - people are mostly perked up and surprised by enthusiasm. If the times of the annexation of Crimea caused an upsurge of enthusiasm and patriotism ...
                        But no.
                      3. lis-ik
                        lis-ik 15 December 2018 14: 47
                        -1
                        Quote: Mestny
                        A just society must be tried to build, without which humanity will not survive. And we are not among the first to survive, which of course is much closer to the heart.
                        But here - how? How to do it?

                        Read the novel "Culling" by O. Divov, written back in 1998, but is more relevant today than ever.
                      4. dedusik
                        dedusik 16 December 2018 00: 19
                        -1
                        If it had been written in 1898, then yes, it’s relevant, but it’s written now (it began to be written in 1994), and the actions of the Russian people are predictable, even Russian fairy tales say this bully .
                      5. Victor N
                        Victor N 15 December 2018 17: 05
                        +2
                        It’s not an idea to raise enthusiasm. After all, it seems everyone wants social benefits, and tens of millions do not pay taxes and pension contributions at all, while others do not pay in full.
                      6. Park
                        Park 15 December 2018 21: 01
                        +2
                        Start with yourself. Change yourself and the world will change around you
                      7. Pardus
                        Pardus 10 March 2021 13: 03
                        +12
                        And nothing will happen. The world it was and will remain so.
                      8. Xazarin
                        Xazarin 17 December 2018 07: 09
                        0
                        I’ll surprise you, but a theory and even practical experience on the topic of “universal prosperity and welfare” exists, there is a person unique to our time who created it all (or rather, he died recently at the age of 100). Jacques Fresco and the Venus project. Google a lot of interesting things.
                      9. Pardus
                        Pardus 10 March 2021 13: 03
                        +17
                        Quote: Xazarin
                        Jacques Fresco and the Venus project

                        The project is completely utopian.
              3. tracer
                tracer 15 December 2018 18: 21
                -1
                I think that Russia has its own civilizational path based on justice and nationality. It doesn’t work out differently. The communist ideals did not work. Need to look for something new.
                1. Evgeniy667b
                  Evgeniy667b 16 December 2018 08: 44
                  +3
                  No one canceled the biological instincts that primarily motivate society. That is why humanity needs a struggle for survival. This is the essence of progress .. Then everything goes forward, moves, develops. If life is not in danger, then degradation ensues and, ultimately, chaos. And this is already very bad. Russia's main problem is that people can come together only in case of great danger. There are plenty of historical examples.
              4. Alber
                Alber 16 December 2018 22: 26
                +2
                Quote: ROSS 42
                Ay yes, the author! Well - the eagle!
                I summed up all the results at once ...
                At all times, coups, changes in the course of the monarchies of authoritarian regimes were carried out by the most ordinary palace (intra-party) conspiracy. This did not require the participation of the masses. Both anarchy and democracy were deprived of the possibility of change without the participation of the people.
                I do not know what values, according to the author, were brought down by Khrushchev, but it was during his reign that relations with China deteriorated. As a result of the 1961 monetary reform, the ruble lost its "Stalinist" gold content. Many failed (wrecking) steps were made in the economy, when corn was preferred even in the Far North. It was in his time that a mass exodus of people from the village began (although life there always was difficult and not "comfortable"). It was he who reduced the army and threw out the military without a pension, who had to serve not 2-3 years, but only a few months.
                The real turn (here I agree) towards the recognition of the "values" of the West occurred during the LIB. It was during the years of his reign that the final corruption of the party elite took place, and the people zealously took notes of Brezhnev's scientific works and reports and expressed feelings at demonstrations. The first "bells" about an incomprehensible situation in the economy during prolonged kisses with leaders and unprecedented help to everyone and everyone in whose name "com" and "social" were present were the rise in prices for vodka, gasoline and gold.
                Further radical changes were required. How this could be done, Andropov indirectly showed.
                But, when in the structures of a well-known department, knowing the ins and outs of all citizens of the USSR and not only, there was a choice between the USSR and Russia, socialism and capitalism, the announcement of this could play the role of a torch, setting fire to the fuse. A new "super task" has appeared - to arouse the hatred of the population by the socialist system. And with the disappearance of grocery and industrial goods on the shelves, "the stone has moved." Inspired and brainwashed in their belief in the infallibility of power, the people rushed to their national apartments and opened their arms to Uncle Sam.
                As long as people are not swollen with hunger and have some money in their pocket, any government can continue to revel in impunity and use all its privileges. But this will not be a fact of high social welfare.
                We lost Soviet civilization due to two reasons:
                due to personal indifference and violation of rights and freedoms;
                because of ordinary human fear, which implies the primacy of the principle - my hut from the edge.

                DIVIDE AND RULE!
                Divided and conquer. And no persuasion to tear from the feeder in the name of addressing the needs of society will not succeed. Examples of this are darkness. The most recent is France.

                The USSR is a powerful country in which it was only necessary to correct minor flaws, destroyed and destroyed the villains under the leadership of the Zionofashist Bilderbergs. With our tacit consent.
                It’s not in my head how we all missed it ...
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 15 December 2018 07: 35
            +7
            only two points
            You repeat the myths created by the same Khrushchev. In order to remove personal responsibility for the same repressions, the maize dumped everything on Stalin. But five people ruled the country. Yes, the first was I.V. Stalin, but immediately afterwards came Beria, Khrushchev, Malenkov and Bulganin.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 07: 41
              +4
              Quote: Gardamir
              Yes, the first was I.V. Stalin, but immediately afterwards came Beria, Khrushchev, Malenkov and Bulganin.

              Kaganovich forgot. He generally had platinum teeth.
              1. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 15 December 2018 07: 53
                +2
                Kaganovich at the end of Stalin's life did not enter into a narrow circle of leadership.
                1. Mestny
                  Mestny 15 December 2018 11: 57
                  0
                  Well, this of course changes everything, yes.
                  This is called - jumped on time?
                  1. Sergej1972
                    Sergej1972 16 December 2018 19: 50
                    +1
                    No, just Stalin at the end of his life was dissatisfied with him, as well as with Molotov and Mikoyan. Therefore, he did not include the CPSU Central Committee in the Bureau of the Presidium.
            2. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 15 December 2018 07: 52
              +2
              Khrushchev in practice implemented a number of proposals by Beria and Malenkov. Although they were removed from the political scene. And Beria removed with the help of Malenkov.
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 15 December 2018 09: 11
          +2
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Do you think the collapse of the ruble two and six times - could not he?

          Damned Khrushchev! Strong, Trotskyist! sad

          But......where is the stalinist cohort unbending real Bolsheviks, Stalin's comrades-in-arms, his associates, where did they look? belay request

          And just read the transcript of the 20th Congress of the CPSU and find out that the resolution on the condemnation of the personality cult was approved ...... UNANIMOUSLY! yes

          Traitors, around traitors: in the 20s (Trotsky and company). 30s (Zinoviev and Comp), 40s (Vlasov and Comp), 50s (Khrushchev and Comp). 60s 9khrushchev, Brezhnev), 70s, 80s (Torbachev and comp) ....
          What kind of party is this ?! belay request recourse
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 09: 17
            +10
            Quote: Olgovich
            just read the transcript of the 20 congress of the Communist Party and find out that the resolution on the condemnation of the cult of personality was approved ...... UNANIMOUSLY!

            Here, such as you approved. Remind me if you have documents for a St. Petersburg bourgeois apartment stored? Cult...
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 15 December 2018 09: 55
              -6
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Here, such as you approved.

              No, dear, there were only YOURS. moreover, the elite-she voted.
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Remind me if you have documents for a St. Petersburg bourgeois apartment stored?

              Why are you interested in? belay
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 09: 57
                +2
                Quote: Olgovich
                Why are you interested in?

                I want to expropriate! wassat
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 15 December 2018 10: 05
                  -6
                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Why are you interested in?

                  I want to expropriate! wassat

                  So a hundred years ago ..... already proprietary, and ALL have read the decree of the Soviets. Is everything small? They plundered everything, but they didn’t become richer .... request
                  You do not want to transfer YOUR hut Voluntarily to the Munits. contention to be. as before, in the USSR?
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 10: 13
                    +8
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    You do not want to transfer YOUR hut Voluntarily to the Munits. contention to be. as before, in the USSR?

                    Can I? So that the batteries are changed for free, and the counters, too. And then the devil came around the world how much, he had to change the counter to a new, old one, you see, the class is not the one shaking. In general, if such buns are supposed, then I will transfer it to the municipalities. Let their head hurt for a major overhaul, otherwise the Germans could see a drunk house they were building, hesitated to repair it.
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 15 December 2018 10: 33
                      -6
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Can I? So that the batteries are changed for free, and the counters, too.

                      Sure. Or private ownership instinct stuck?
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      In general, if such buns are supposed, then I will transfer it to the municipalities. Let their head hurt for a major overhaul, otherwise the Germans could see a drunk house they were building, hesitated to repair it.

                      Pass and report, so that the example of other communists will be. And then they seized on state-owned apartments, made them PRIVATE and cottages the same. where are the communist ideals? request
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 10: 39
                        +2
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        And then they seized on state-owned apartments, made them PRIVATE and cottages the same. where are the communist ideals?

                        Figures. I didn’t hold on. The authorities themselves imposed. Now pay for the overhaul.
                      2. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 15 December 2018 10: 45
                        -3
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Figures. I didn’t hold on. The authorities themselves imposed. Now pay for the overhaul.

                        Do the same as in the USSR, return to the state!
                        And where, after all, was the Stalinist cohort, "unbending"?
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 10: 48
                        +5
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Do the same as in the USSR, return to the state!

                        Yes, and I will return, as my sister agrees.
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        And where, after all, was the Stalinist cohort, "unbending"?

                        Oddly enough, they died in the battlefields in the Second World War. IMHO.
                      4. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 15 December 2018 12: 34
                        -3
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Yes, and I will return, as my sister agrees.

                        never agree, IMHO

                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Oddly enough, they died in the battlefields in the Second World War. IMHO.

                        1. With whom did Stalin work after the Second World War?
                        2. You have insulted millions of those who have since joined the party during WWII
                      5. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 12: 56
                        0
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        With whom did Stalin work after the Second World War?
                        2. You have insulted millions of those who have since joined the party during WWII

                        Offended? So read the same Vanka-platoon.
                    2. Warrior Hamilton
                      Warrior Hamilton 15 December 2018 19: 10
                      +3
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Can I?

                      Sure ! An entertainment center is planned at your home. bully
            2. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 16 December 2018 19: 52
              0
              And Molotov, and Malenkov, and Mikoyan, and Kaganovich, and Andreev, and Shvernik, and Voroshilov, and Bulganin, that is, the closest associates of Stalin, voted for this resolution.
          2. Halado Romane
            Halado Romane 15 December 2018 09: 31
            -5
            Here such words sounded - divide and rule! Didn't the Bolsheviks divide Russia? Isn't today's Ukraine the fruit of their labors? Didn't the "union" republics leave the USSR with the Russian lands and the Russian population donated by the Bolsheviks? Or were these new "states" not headed by the communists? How did it happen that during these incomplete 70 years it happened that all the traitor communists were at the head of the USSR, while other non-betrayer communists would then expose them? Maybe someone will tell you, but how to distinguish these communists from the outset, even if practically all loyal Leninists turned out to be traitors ?!
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 15 December 2018 10: 18
              -6
              Quote: Halado romane
              Didn't the "union" republics leave the USSR with the Russian lands and the Russian population donated by the Bolsheviks? Or were these new "states" not headed by the communists?

              You didn’t understand: Russian lands with Russian people were transferred to non-Russians - exclusively for the happiness of Russia and the prosperity of the Russian people. Now they’ll attack, fans of the sect will explain transmitters Russian non-Russian .. yes

              PS already AFTER the formation of the USSR the territory of the RSFSR-Russia decreased 4 million km2 and the population TENS of millions of people
              All for the GOOD of the Russian people, yes .....
              1. Halado Romane
                Halado Romane 15 December 2018 10: 41
                0
                Hello, Olgovich. Yes, let them run. They are here, and so are rushing about in a crowd on all topics with virtual checkers waving ... What is it? Surprisingly, they raised the banner of Stalin from the entire Communist Party and even made an icon out of him! And Lenin their native is no longer their own. They simply say that the Bolsheviks are Russian Communists, and now they have the USSR in Russia. And how the same Russia was divided and shredded it seems, like not them. Or just traitors! They have all the same enemies of the people. Indeed, if there are no enemies, then how will they be all the time innocent ?! Enough of the enemies? Sometimes it seems that the people themselves are hostile to them. Therefore, they stubbornly tried to make the Russians Soviet. Did not work out!
                1. passerby
                  passerby 16 December 2018 06: 46
                  +1
                  Totally agree with you. What kind of society was built by the Communists in which every second citizen is a traitor, moreover, every second leader of the country is a traitor?
                  1. Halado Romane
                    Halado Romane 16 December 2018 09: 09
                    0
                    It turns out that not even every second, but much more often ...
                    1. passerby
                      passerby 16 December 2018 10: 13
                      +3
                      That's it. And from this follows the following question, if scoundrels and traitors came to power, then who brought them to power? Party members? So who were the party members?
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 15 December 2018 11: 02
              +4
              Quote: Halado romane
              Did the Bolsheviks not divide Russia? Is present Ukraine not the fruit of their labors?

              you are right and wrong: except for the Bolsheviks, the tsars also made gifts
              1. Halado Romane
                Halado Romane 15 December 2018 11: 56
                +3
                Sylvester, and you are wrong at all! Did kings give presents to UKRAINE? Have they really created some kind of Ukrainian statehood?
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 15 December 2018 11: 57
                  +5
                  Quote: Halado romane
                  did they create some kind of Ukrainian statehood?

                  the statehood of Ukraine was born by Lenin and Stalin, and Ukraine grew into territories according to the picture
                  1. Halado Romane
                    Halado Romane 15 December 2018 12: 27
                    +5
                    No. Not really. If we talk about tsars, then they did not grow any Ukraine and did not know any Ukrainian people!
                    1. Sergej1972
                      Sergej1972 16 December 2018 19: 57
                      +1
                      In general, I agree. But the concepts "Ukraine", "Little Russia" and "Ukrainians", "Little Russians" were still used.
              2. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 16 December 2018 19: 55
                +2
                About the kings incorrectly. After Catherine the Great, Ukraine or Little Russia as a single administrative whole did not exist. There were several provinces that were directly part of the empire. Yes, even during the existence of the Hetmanate, it did not enter, for example, Slobozhanshchina.
          3. Beringovsky
            Beringovsky 15 December 2018 10: 10
            +5
            Olchovich
            But ...... where is the Stalinist cohort of unbending real Bolsheviks? ....
            ... a resolution condemning the cult of personality was approved ...... UNANIMOUSLY!

            So with us today EdRo also votes UNANIMOUSLY laughing
            The servility of the elite is the legacy of Tsarism. The Bolsheviks could not etch it to the end.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 15 December 2018 10: 41
              +1
              Quote: Beringovsky
              So with us today EdRo also votes UNANIMOUSLY
              The servility of the elite is the legacy of Tsarism. The Bolsheviks could not etch it to the end.

              But where is tsarism before the Bolsheviks? What are you ?!

              Glory to Torotsky! "Death to Trotsky!" Glory to Yagoda! "Death to Yagoda!", "Glory to Yezhov!", "Death to Yezhov!" Everywhere FOREST HANDS "FOR". WHERE was that ?!
              1. Beringovsky
                Beringovsky 15 December 2018 11: 01
                +9
                Come on quirk Olgovich, our Russian reality is one hundred percent from the Romanovsko-Gottentorp "Russia we have lost", cry cry recourse crying
                It is from there that our "I am the boss - you are nobody" and the rampant corruption and theft of the bureaucratic elite and its lack of attitude towards their superiors come from. And her petty tyranny and sergeant-prishibeevism, keep-mordism. From the same place and Smerdyakov's ingratiation before the West and contempt for his own country.
                You Olgovich at least read something for self-development ... Gogol there, Turgenev or Saltykov Shchedrin. Looking and rubbish would write less.
                1. Halado Romane
                  Halado Romane 15 December 2018 12: 15
                  +8
                  Beringovsky, do you want me to tell you how the USSR collapsed, or rather why it collapsed? There was one person here yesterday under the pseudonym Detective. Where does he not know? I will tell you about this a little later, unless, of course, I also suddenly "accidentally" cannot enter here ... So the USSR collapsed due to the complete disbelief of the Bolsheviks in the Russian people, which united all other peoples in the empire around itself. Therefore, the Russians had to be slandered and made into Great Russian chauvinists. To turn the Russian empire into a prison of peoples, therefore, the Bolsheviks actually relied on the national outskirts. Well, they simply divided historical Russia, and this is how the Ukrainian and Belarusian republics appeared, which never had their statehood in the history. This is how Kazakhstan appeared ... This is how the "peoples" that had never existed before appeared. Those who are in their right mind, answer, can there be a state created for centuries by one people if suddenly make three of this people, slander it, and divide this state itself into many nationalities? The answer is obvious - maybe not more than 68 years old! And even then only if everything and everyone is kept under total control, a cruel suppression apparatus and widespread censorship are introduced! And here, before going to my friend, a person who is very respected by me and many other people, the Detective, I want to ask the administration of this site - where is he? Whom did he manage to offend so yesterday and with what? Are there authors here who cannot even be criticized very politely? Here you can be banned simply for a different opinion and without any explanation at all? It was because of this attitude towards its own people that the USSR collapsed!
                  1. Beringovsky
                    Beringovsky 15 December 2018 12: 31
                    +4
                    Tell your nonsense to others.
                    Nations do not "appear" out of nowhere by the decision of the Politburo, and their acquisition of statehood is an objective historical process, not the machinations of the reptilians.
                    It will probably be a great discovery for you that the Russians, too, WHEN then did not have their own statehood. Moreover, I will tell you a terrible secret - ALL peoples on our planet WHEN then did not have their own statehood.
                    Only you don’t tell anyone about it, shhh hi
                    1. Halado Romane
                      Halado Romane 15 December 2018 12: 48
                      -3
                      Can it be nonsense that there weren’t any Ukrainians in history? But the Kazakhs, were they? Or, actually, just by whose decision did they appear?
                  2. New Year day
                    New Year day 15 December 2018 12: 32
                    +2
                    Quote: Halado romane
                    and where he?

                    and where he?
                    1. Halado Romane
                      Halado Romane 15 December 2018 12: 49
                      +1
                      If this interests you, ask the site administration? Maybe they will answer you. Why is this man so dangerous for them?
                  3. Astronaut
                    Astronaut 15 December 2018 19: 08
                    +2
                    Here you can ban just for a different opinion and generally without explanation?

                    Exactly ! Only the opinion of the administration and directly opposite to the "general line of the party"
                    There is a suspicion that this site, in general, "Foreign agent!
                2. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 15 December 2018 13: 12
                  -2
                  Quote: Beringovsky
                  You Olgovich at least read something for self-development ... Gogol there, Turgenev or Saltykov Shchedrin. Looking and rubbish would write less.

                  And sho there? There is -
                  "Glory to Trotsky! - Death to Trotsky!", Glory to Yagoda! "- Death to Yagoda!", "Glory to Yezhov!" - "Death to Yezhov!"

                  You have surpassed ALL.
                  Under Stalin, the number OFFICERS OF OFFICERS grew in Ten times in comparison with Russia. We are silent about the party’s Zarebeinmks of district committees, regional committees, and other committees.
              2. Beringovsky
                Beringovsky 15 December 2018 11: 37
                +7
                Olgovich
                But where is tsarism before the Bolsheviks? What are you ?!

                Glory to Torotsky! "Death to Trotsky!" Glory to Yagoda! "Death to Yagoda!", "Glory to Yezhov!", "Death to Yezhov!" Everywhere FOREST HANDS "FOR". WHERE was that ?!

                Yes, in your beloved alternative Russia - or you forgot apoplexy blows with a snuffbox, scarves, knives and a padau, processions on the occasion of the namesake of the next person, loyal Odes and other other fellow
                And what happened under Ivan Vasilich or in the Time of Troubles - the Gulag silently cries and smokes aside .... crying
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 15 December 2018 13: 26
                  -2
                  Quote: Beringovsky
                  Yes, in your beloved alternative Russia - or you forgot apoplexy blows with a snuffbox, scarves, knives and a lapbox,

                  Don't compare with "gangs of dastardly killers, bandits, foreign spies, saboteurs "from the TOP leadership of the USSRdeclared as such by the whole world and shot on the sly in Butovo and a communal apartment.
                  Quote: Beringovsky
                  loyal odes


                  Yes Yes: lol Memorize:
                  Our Soviet people sings a lot of songs
                  Above the fields, dense forests.
                  Sounds in every song, lives in every song
                  The popular name of Stalin.

                  We will part the forests, conquer the skies.
                  Inaccessible do not know the barriers.
                  The leader inspires us to do miracles,
                  Inspired by a great example.

                  We, by the courage of grief, sail the seas, -
                  Enemies cannot whiten us.
                  Over Soviet soil, the light will not be replaced by darkness,
                  The Sun-Stalin shines above her.

                  Stalin is a nation that goes to victories
                  On tops of cloudless slopes.
                  Stalin is our business
                  Stalin - the wings of an eagle,
                  Stalin - the will and mind of millions
                  .


                  And now show, WHERE IS SUCH ANYTHING?
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 14: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    And now show, WHERE IS SUCH ANYTHING?

                    God the king of Zaraaaniii ...
                    God save queenuuuuu ...
                  2. Beringovsky
                    Beringovsky 15 December 2018 16: 29
                    +2
                    Olgovich
                    WHERE else SUCH it was?

                    Derzhavin - Ode to Catherine

                    "Thy mercy to us, Mother of the people,
                    Is it convenient for me to calculate everything?
                    Nature made you
                    To surprise the whole universe

                    You save the babies of life
                    You write old laws
                    You expand science in the youth,
                    Settled vast emptiness.

                    Thy monarch, kindness,
                    Love, Judgment, Grace and Bounties
                    Without decoration shine!

                    You how kind our family is glorified
                    And how blessed is your age
                    Such is the altar set for you
                    In the hearts of Russian people

                    How far is your age going
                    Moreover, mortals are promoted.

                    ... of yours, goddess, of laudable deeds! ...
                    He can fit a thought into a limit! ...

                    ... The goddess of our day!
                    Hush mother, heroine! ...

                    How immensely generous we are! ...
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 16 December 2018 08: 04
                      -2
                      Quote: Beringovsky
                      Olgovich
                      WHERE else SUCH it was?

                      Derzhavin - Ode to Catherine

                      "Thy mercy to us, Mother of the people,
                      Is it convenient for me to calculate everything?
                      Nature made you
                      To surprise the whole universe

                      You save the babies of life
                      You write old laws
                      You expand science in the youth,
                      Settled vast emptiness.

                      Thy monarch, kindness,
                      Love, Judgment, Grace and Bounties
                      Without decoration shine!

                      You how kind our family is glorified
                      And how blessed is your age
                      Such is the altar set for you
                      In the hearts of Russian people

                      How far is your age going
                      Moreover, mortals are promoted.

                      ... of yours, goddess, of laudable deeds! ...
                      He can fit a thought into a limit! ...

                      ... The goddess of our day!
                      Hush mother, heroine! ...

                      How immensely generous we are! ...

                      Beautiful, maladets!

                      This is not "Stalin-Sun".

                      Substation Carrot - It also looks like a finger, but here you go, different things.
                      But you don’t understand ....
                    2. passerby
                      passerby 16 December 2018 08: 31
                      0
                      Hence the conclusion - the communist leaders were no different from the Russian emperors and empresses?
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 16 December 2018 12: 36
                        0
                        Quote: passerby
                        Hence the conclusion - the communist leaders were no different from the Russian emperors and empresses?

                        Heaven and earth!
                        Beautiful by poetry - one can only admire Derzhavin and read with a pure heart everywhere and always, but "- the sun," the wings of an eagle "- who will read
                        ?
                        The difference between "Gavriliad of 12 chairs and poetry, do you even catch it?"
                      2. passerby
                        passerby 16 December 2018 12: 52
                        0
                        We are discussing the degree of talent of the author, and the reasons for the appearance of these works))
                      3. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 17 December 2018 11: 14
                        0
                        Quote: bystander
                        We are discussing the degree of talent of the author, and reasons the appearance of these works))

                        In Ode there is a sincere feeling of love and recognition, in the "wings of the eagle" there is fanaticism.
                    3. Sergej1972
                      Sergej1972 16 December 2018 20: 01
                      +1
                      And what is wrong? In principle, one can agree with Derzhavin.
                2. Astronaut
                  Astronaut 15 December 2018 19: 11
                  +3
                  And what happened under Ivan Vasilich

                  Just like Solzhenitsyn! Bravo! He also "made" tens of millions out of several hundred thousand executed!
            2. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 16 December 2018 19: 59
              +2
              At the time of tsarism, at meetings of the State Council, district councils and provincial assemblies, city duma, and later the State Duma, decisions were by no means unanimously adopted.
          4. New Year day
            New Year day 15 December 2018 11: 00
            +7
            Quote: Olgovich
            transcript of the 20th Congress of the CPSU and find out that the resolution on the condemnation of the cult of personality was approved ...... UNANIMOUSLY!

            “At the XX Congress, where Stalin was exposed, Khrushchev was handed a note from the audience:“ Where were you under Stalin? ” Khrushchev asked: "Who wrote this?" No one answered. “So I was there.”
          5. Tatar 174
            Tatar 174 15 December 2018 18: 23
            -2
            Quote: Olgovich
            What kind of party is this ?!

            Now aren't they like that? Any party is built on unity of command and centralism, because they are built by the people who lead these parties. For this, parties are needed to be guides and performers of their creators. Or maybe the best option for the country is the lack of political parties?
            1. Astronaut
              Astronaut 15 December 2018 19: 13
              0
              Or maybe the best option for the country is the lack of political parties?

              Right And any power is also a complete absence. Long live anarchy - the mother of order! laughing
          6. Astronaut
            Astronaut 15 December 2018 19: 01
            +2
            Traitors, around traitors:

            But Trotsky, Zinoviev and Vlasov are friends of the Soviet government? And then the leader was not enough ... There should be a leader in any reform process!
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 16 December 2018 20: 02
              0
              Trotsky and Zinoviev are one of its creators.
      2. Mcar
        Mcar 15 December 2018 06: 42
        +10
        Quote: Tatar 174
        Khrushchev may be a bastard, but he is a product of that system ...

        Not a product of the system, but its geek. Not the norm, but an anomaly. They say so among the people - and there is a trickle to the old woman.

        Question: how could such a sneaky, cunning, unprincipled person be at the helm of the country?
        Answer: because sneaky, cunning, unprincipled.

        If Khrushchev’s human qualities are multiplied by his blatant ignorance, then we get what it was: the collapse of the country's base - the Stalinist economy.
        1. Halado Romane
          Halado Romane 15 December 2018 09: 34
          -11
          Well no. Judging by the universal veneration of Stalin here, he was an anomaly. But everything else is the norm.
        2. kalibr
          kalibr 15 December 2018 18: 06
          +4
          [quote = McAr] [quote = Tatar 174] Khrushchev may be a bastard, but he is a product of that system ... [/ quote]
          Not a product of the system, but its geek. Not the norm, but an anomaly.
          Then we have ALL POWER FROM GEORGES.
        3. passerby
          passerby 16 December 2018 08: 36
          0
          The same can be said of Gorbachev and Brezhnev. Where, then, are the principal leaders of the CPSU, were all of them, except for Stalin, cunning, mean and unprincipled traitors? And what kind of party is this Communist Party, which brought to power mainly cunning, mean and unprincipled traitors? And then what kind of members did this party have?
          1. Mcar
            Mcar 16 December 2018 11: 13
            +3
            Quote: bystander
            The same can be said of Gorbachev and Brezhnev. Where, then, are the principal leaders of the CPSU, were all of them, except for Stalin, cunning, mean and unprincipled traitors? And what kind of party is this Communist Party, which brought to power mainly cunning, mean and unprincipled traitors? And then what kind of members did this party have?

            So many funny questions because you do not want to study, do not want to read the instructions, do not want to develop.

            You might think that you never heard the Stalinist thesis about the aggravation of the class struggle as socialism developed. Have you heard? Heard. Why not study the issue? Because laziness ahead of you was born. So you wave ignorance as a banner, believing that not wanting to know (or wanting to not know) is a virtue.

            In the West, and here in Russia, it is commonly believed that the USSR collapsed due to the powerful influence of the West. Usually they point to the famous Dulles plan. All this took place: both the information pressure of the backward propaganda, and the work of the British-American special services. But you always need to know that no bacteria or viruses can break a healthy body. If the body has a powerful immune system, it does not get sick or die.

            Such an immune system in the USSR neither at the time of Khrushchev, nor at the time of Brezhnev. If Nikita Sergeyevich destroyed it with his own hands, then Leonid Ilyich could not revive such a system, and, for quite objective reasons. The fact is that the new class of the Soviet nomenclature lost faith in the communist future. Yes, they didn’t need any mythical communism. They lived well under socialism. More precisely, under state capitalism with an element of Stalinist socialism.

            If under Khrushchev a new class of party nomenclature finally realized itself and stopped shaking for its own skin, then under Brezhnev it took shape and began to socially isolate itself.

            Spontaneously, the process of isolating and isolating a new class began under Lenin. As a rule, revolutionaries married girls from social democratic circles. So to speak, those close in spirit ... And it was quite normal. Like always attracts to like.

            But already under Stalin, general family ties began to emerge between the families of party apparatchiks. Here the similarity law took on a completely different form. People began to be attracted not by the call of the soul, but by social status. Iosif Vissarionovich, naturally, did not like this process. But the leader of the USSR could not change anything. Seeing that a new class of "exploiters" was being born in Soviet Russia, Stalin wrote his famous article on the class struggle in the era of developed socialism.

            Until now, historians and political scientists of the liberal democrats can not understand what Joseph Vissarionovich meant? Say, under socialism there can be no classes. They are again trying to blame Stalin for savagery.

            In reality, the class of party nomenclature under socialism is reality. And Stalin had a plan to destroy this spontaneously formed class. Only not with bullets and prisons, as the liberal democrats are trying to imagine, but with the elimination of many privileges, including salaries. And through increasing responsibility for their work and the total education of the entire Soviet population. The latter made it easy and simple to replace presumptuous, or even simply dim-witted managers, with talented people from the people.

            But these were the plans of Joseph Vissarionovich. It is clear that they did not like the party elite. Therefore, she tried to get rid of Stalin. In fact, the death of Joseph Vissarionovich saved the party apparatchiks from going on a well-deserved rest, and, in general, from inevitable liquidation as a class.
            1. passerby
              passerby 16 December 2018 11: 33
              -1
              Again all the traitors foiled? And how many of these traitors were there? All those who voted at the 20th Congress, plus all those who elected them delegates to this Congress? What a horror, the whole country, sheer traitors. All that you wrote is just ridiculous. Where is the Stalin program you are writing about? Where did the “talented people from the people” go and who specifically did not give them a pass? Name traitors, at least from the country's leadership? You have only slogans and no specifics, again mythical traitors foiled the plan of the leaders of the proletariat.
              1. Mcar
                Mcar 16 December 2018 11: 41
                +2
                Quote: bystander
                Again all the traitors foiled? And how many of these traitors were there? All those who voted at the 20th Congress, plus all those who elected them delegates to this Congress? What a horror, the whole country, sheer traitors. All that you wrote is just ridiculous. Where is the Stalin program you are writing about? Where did the “talented people from the people” go and who specifically did not give them a pass? Name traitors, at least from the country's leadership? You have only slogans and no specifics, again mythical traitors foiled the plan of the leaders of the proletariat.

                So many funny questions because you do not want to study, do not want to read the instructions, do not want to develop.

                You might think that you never heard the Stalinist thesis about the aggravation of the class struggle as socialism developed. Have you heard? Heard. Why not study the issue? Because laziness ahead of you was born. So you wave ignorance as a banner, believing that not wanting to know (or wanting to not know) is a virtue.
                1. passerby
                  passerby 16 December 2018 12: 12
                  0
                  Again some general phrases and no specifics. The struggle of whom specifically and with whom specifically do you regard as the class struggle in the USSR and what this struggle was expressed in. What goals did each of the warring parties pursue? Who won this fight and what happened to the loser?
              2. naidas
                naidas 16 December 2018 14: 16
                +5
                About the traitors you bent - A fish is looking for where it’s deeper, man - where it’s better:
                In 1921, at the plenum of the Central Committee, the communist L. Krasin expressed this in numbers: “The source of all the troubles and troubles that we are experiencing at present is that the Communist Party consists of 10 percent convinced idealists who are ready to die for an idea and 90 percent of unscrupulous opportunists who joined her to get a position. ”

                V.I. Lenin, in "Children's disease of leftism in communism," wrote: "We are afraid of the party’s excessive expansion, for careerists and crooks who deserve only to be shot will inevitably cling to the party."

                And as a result, in 1991, the 18 millionth flock of members of the CPSU not only made it possible to destroy the USSR, but did not even defend the property that was created on their own membership fees. Why? There is no other answer: because by 1991, not only 10, but 1 percent of the Communists were no longer in the CPSU.
        4. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 16 December 2018 20: 04
          +2
          But how did the wise and insightful Stalin trust him from the beginning of the 30s, and from the mid-40s he introduced the top five in the top five?
      3. Ros 56
        Ros 56 15 December 2018 10: 17
        0
        Absolutely incorrect view, bald, not a product of the system, he is an ordinary hit-NEPovets, like the current Luke, adapted to the CPSU system. And he was shaking very much for his own skin, fearing responsibility for mass repressions. Even Stalin pulled him, calm down Nikita. The worst thing is that he was not the only one. Therefore, Beria was quickly eliminated, without any investigation. And off we go, and as a result we have what we have.
        1. Halado Romane
          Halado Romane 15 December 2018 16: 51
          -3
          The only question is where did all this beautiful system of the CPSU with beautiful communists go?
          1. Astronaut
            Astronaut 15 December 2018 19: 15
            +1
            Where did it go? Who himself died, and someone looking at Khrushchev and others like him-he scored ....
          2. Ros 56
            Ros 56 15 December 2018 19: 41
            +3
            And EBN, and spotty, and Chubais, a theoretician and candidate of sciences in planned economy and at the same time a bad boy Gaidar and Mashenka, ugh on these heirs, only the name was ruined. Everyone here, a lot of them have become shape-shifters, and ordinary communists, as they plowed, and remained at a broken trough, the top, the heiress of the bald one, has rotted away. And here again the relevance of Karl Marx's "Capital" appears. I’ll make a reservation right away, I never entered the Komsomol, and I joined the Komsomol at the age of seventeen at the factory, but that's another story.
            1. Halado Romane
              Halado Romane 15 December 2018 19: 48
              +1
              This is not about ordinary communists who honestly worked in the national economy. It is about leadership and their environment, not only in the center but also in all republics. If this is a betrayal then the global scale!
              1. Ros 56
                Ros 56 15 December 2018 20: 11
                +1
                Everywhere as much as they were shot in China, in South Korea the presidents were sentenced to death by Ro Dae Woo and Jong Doo Hwan, though they didn’t execute, and all over the world, I remember Marx not in vain, simply put: don’t give in one hand is too much capital. Created himself, from scratch for God's sake, but in the public sector, no, no. Geniuses could not solve this problem, and even more so with our knowledge.
                1. Halado Romane
                  Halado Romane 15 December 2018 20: 30
                  -2
                  Well, what does it mean to give a lot, a little? In my opinion, such things should be resolved naturally, and not by prohibitions and rejection of entire spheres of life. Market and competition are in fact the natural achievements of human development. It's just that a person always has the right to choose what to do? Share with the needy or out of greed not to notice? A person must be formed in a society with laws and morality. The moral of society forms the church of Christ. Social justice doesn’t lower the majority of the people to below average? Type, but all are equal. People are different and rich people will always be. The question is the capabilities of the rest and the behavior of the rich. Elites must be national.
                  1. Ros 56
                    Ros 56 15 December 2018 20: 35
                    0
                    This is the view of the idealist, but it doesn’t.
                    1. Halado Romane
                      Halado Romane 15 December 2018 20: 39
                      -2
                      Being an idealist does not mean striving to build an ideal society. smile It is the materialists who are building paradise on earth. We know that this is not possible. Paradise is elsewhere. To go to ideal is naturally the right way, making life around is even a little better. This is the path of the idealist.
              2. passerby
                passerby 16 December 2018 08: 39
                +1
                And what are these “simple party members” who brought such people to power? Maybe they themselves were the same? How is that? All around are good and honest, but these "good and honest" only bring scoundrels and traitors to power? What's the catch? Why is it not so in the UK or the USA, why do we all have “traitors” and they don’t?
                1. Halado Romane
                  Halado Romane 16 December 2018 09: 06
                  +1
                  But what can we say that in the USSR ordinary party members could bring an alternative candidate to power?
                  1. passerby
                    passerby 16 December 2018 10: 11
                    +2
                    So I say something like this, if all members of the party are honest and principled, then who organized and held uncontested elections, who are these villains? And why did all the other party members, if there were a majority, do nothing with this? Maybe they were all, or for the most part, traitors and villains, so were they happy with everything?
                    1. Halado Romane
                      Halado Romane 16 December 2018 10: 25
                      +1
                      Such a system was. I am talking about people, not about the correctness of the system. How could a communist in a factory resist the elections to the Central Committee? Whom did this communist betray? Did he build communism at his factory? He earned money for his family. That's all. Communists and other leftist materialists are building paradise on earth. That's only with the complete utopia of this idea, the building is bloody. Likewise, Western godless society is mired in blood and deceit.
                      1. passerby
                        passerby 16 December 2018 11: 35
                        0
                        Who built this system? Does it not seem strange to you the thesis of the fault of the “system” in the absence of fault of those who built and were an integral part of this system?
                      2. Halado Romane
                        Halado Romane 16 December 2018 12: 34
                        -2
                        I think you do not understand me. It is necessary to share the guilt of the people in the 1917 coup and the ideologists of communism.
                      3. passerby
                        passerby 16 December 2018 12: 57
                        +1
                        Well, let's divide, because the people are guilty of believing in the semi-leafists and demagogues, destroying their country, and the ideologists of communism in Russia are to blame for the unbridled thirst for power, for which they were ready to shed and shed rivers of blood. But in the end, both of them were to blame and got what they deserved.
                      4. Halado Romane
                        Halado Romane 16 December 2018 13: 03
                        +1
                        Well, in that case, if we talk about the people, let's not talk about the guilt of all within the people! A sufficient part of the people opposed this and there is a lot to remember.
                      5. passerby
                        passerby 16 December 2018 13: 10
                        +2
                        Well, let there be a large part of the people, but this is in principle unimportant, since all the people had to bear responsibility and those who actively supported the Bolsheviks and those who did not actively and those who thought to sit aside and those who fought against the Bolsheviks. When the Civil War broke out, and then famine and illnesses, the first and second and third died, all died and suffered, therefore, the thesis that someone was not guilty does not matter, everyone answered, as well as after 1991 year.
                      6. Halado Romane
                        Halado Romane 16 December 2018 14: 02
                        -1
                        Well, any person in general has the right to choose for him and is responsible. Just what is the fault of the common man born in the USSR and living in this society?
                      7. passerby
                        passerby 16 December 2018 15: 42
                        +1
                        His fault is that he saw everything, understood everything and did nothing to change it. It was his choice and he is responsible for it. Also now, all Ukrainians are responsible for the consequences of the Maidan, including those who did not ride on the Maidan, but sat quietly on the sidelines and believed that his hut was on the edge.
      4. Astronaut
        Astronaut 15 December 2018 18: 58
        +1
        a minor opinion different from the ruling elite were declared enemies and destroyed

        And what opinion can be different from the opinion of "the prosperity of the state and the growth of the well-being of the people? That's right - only the opinion of the enemy of this state!"
      5. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 15 December 2018 19: 02
        +4
        Quote: Tatar 174
        Khrushchev may be a bastard, but he is a product of that system

        Khrushchev is not really a product, but a virus of the system that has developed. Using the achievements of its predecessor, it decapitated the system and allowed foreign agents into its environment. Not understanding the ideological component of the system, its economic efficiency, he, together with his surroundings, turned the teaching into a religion
      6. dedusik
        dedusik 16 December 2018 00: 11
        +1
        Why did Andropov, in his short period of rule, be able to put both the people and the elite in place, moreover, not by force, but by the ruble.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 21 January 2019 09: 47
          0
          Quote: dedusik
          Why did Andropov, in his short period of rule, be able to put both the people and the elite in place, moreover, not by force, but by the ruble.

          Andropov. one of the darkest figures, on the one hand they were afraid of him, the KGB is all teki !. and on the other, he did NOTHING GOOD. He added to the workers (interest, so to speak, another nail in the lid of the tomb of communism). I cut the docents (another nail), and development is possible only with the development of education. In general, he had a chance - to try to develop a change in ideology, adapt it to problems, but not a single attempt was made.
          .
      7. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 16 December 2018 07: 42
        +3
        Quote: Tatar 174
        She didn’t refuse - she couldn’t correct in time her own elite, who became a collective dictator, who held her in hedgehogs.

        Under the Stalinist "dictatorship" everyone, regardless of their position, was personally responsible. Under Khrushchev, the top became not subject to jurisdiction, under Brezhnev, it began to acquire privileges and material well-being, under Gorbachev, they wanted to become real owners and privatized the country. This is how the modern domestic bourgeoisie was born. And the centralization of power in the VKPB and further the CPSU has nothing to do with it ...
      8. voffchik7691
        voffchik7691 17 December 2018 11: 22
        0
        Tatar 174
        "when everyone who had at least some slightest opinion different from the ruling elite was declared enemies and destroyed, everyone who somehow disagreed with the government was destroyed"

        Again the old record about tens of millions (according to Solzhenitsyn) destroyed!
        So if they (the dissenters) were all destroyed, then those who destroyed the country and the system came to bite us ?!
      9. Normal ok
        Normal ok 18 December 2018 11: 47
        0
        Quote: Tatar 174
        So Khrushchev could not rule differently, this applies to Brezhnev and the rest who were in power at that time and decided something.

        Thus, the collapse of the USSR was inevitable. For the system itself was not viable.
    2. free
      free 16 December 2018 11: 46
      +1
      Quote: mordvin xnumx
      Yes. Poganets Khrushchev brought down the ruble more than twice.
      Corned horseradish.
      So that the devils would rattle him with a boot in the next world. am

      There is no such light! Do not hope for it. They must answer here and now.
  2. Frieda
    Frieda 15 December 2018 05: 33
    +9
    Good article. Thank.
  3. page
    page 15 December 2018 05: 36
    +5
    Alas, it is! I completely agree with the author.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 15 December 2018 07: 24
      +14
      Quote: page
      Alas, it is! I completely agree with the author.

      I am joining. Very recognizable parallels of the degeneracy of the apex are now.
      . the degeneration of Soviet nobility destroyed Soviet civilization.

      The problem, then and now, is the irreplaceability of the supreme power. In her numbness. In the emergence of a caste elite, which was no longer engaged in the development of the country, but more in its own self-preservation. In the 80s, the USSR was headed (by the Politburo and the Secretary General) by already decrepit elders who could not adequately withstand the challenges. Only against the background of decrepit old people could the "young" mediocrity Gorbachev look like a businesslike, energetic, and most importantly - a leader inspiring confidence. It was this irreplaceable, old "swamp" that gave birth to Gorbachev and Yeltsin, becoming a harbinger of the future collapse ...

      We can see quite recognizable parallels even now. All the younger Putin has already surpassed the Soviet leaders and the decrepit Brezhnev in terms of the length of his reign. During the current presidential term, Putin will be exchanging for the eighth decade of his age. But I am sure that the "young" Pugacheva will look no worse than always, thanks to the wonders of plastics. A whole generation of young people has already grown up in Russia, who in their entire life have not seen and no longer "represent" another tsar ...

      All this cannot but depress. And now, just as it was then, it will not lead to anything good. Negative selection and the degeneration of power, occupied only with its self-sacrifice, the right path leads to the next collapse. Relentless history always repeats unlearned lessons.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 15 December 2018 11: 06
        +4
        Quote: Stas157
        I am joining. Very recognizable parallels of the degeneracy of the apex are now.

        all on one tracing paper. All come from the Communist Party. all went to the same school. what can be the differences?
    2. Tarhan
      Tarhan 15 December 2018 10: 28
      0
      Alas, it is!

      Before the economic collapse, the former imperial country was brought by the Communists themselves, who were stalled by Stalin. When no initiative, if it is not on top, could ever have arisen.

      Well, the Union republics took advantage of the economic collapse. And this is natural. No nation, by default, wants to live under the dictates of another. No matter what ideology this dictatorship is hiding under - an imperial autocracy or a socialist union.

      The acquisition by the peoples of the former empire and the former USSR of sovereignty is a regularity of the historical process. Just as with the weakening of the Golden Horde, the Russian state, the Crimean Khanate, the Nogai Horde came out of its influence.
      1. Astronaut
        Astronaut 15 December 2018 19: 19
        +7
        When no initiative, if it is not on top, could ever have arisen.

        Complete lie! My grandfather "in one day" became from the head of a geological exploration party the head of a geological prospecting trust, specially created for this, after he wrote a memo "upward" on the development and use of oil shale in the Urals. I have this letter signed by Stalin is kept in my personal archive
        1. Tarhan
          Tarhan 16 December 2018 13: 13
          -1
          A complete lie!

          I'm not talking about your grandfather. And Stakhanov was, but was like a propaganda standard.
          I’m talking about the Politburo. Stalin could not keep literate, educated, independent. He was afraid for his power and destroyed such. Stalin kept beside himself an uneducated, illiterate slime and sneak. Others near Stalin could not survive.

          At night Stalin's feasts, these associates entertained Stalin. Budyonny played on an accordion, Khrushchev danced a hopak. And such subsequently came to power - with corn, with stagnation, etc.
  4. Givi_49
    Givi_49 15 December 2018 05: 38
    +3
    Materialistic ideology has stopped working. The West turned out to be a greater materialist than we are. Faith is gone. The elite did not develop another, non-materialist ideology. Crash.
  5. Conductor
    Conductor 15 December 2018 05: 45
    +2
    Yes jeans. and Western clothing was largely devoured by the Union.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 06: 08
      +1
      Quote: Conductor
      Yes jeans. and western clothes

      And if you take into account that the jeans were invented by a Russian gold digger, who ordered Levis's riveted trousers, it is doubly offensive. crying
      1. Conductor
        Conductor 15 December 2018 06: 49
        0
        New infa, did not listen that the idea was Russian.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 06: 56
          +1
          Quote: Conductor
          New infa, did not listen that the idea was Russian.

          In California. We stomped our gold digger to the tailor Lewis, and ordered canvas pants with rivets.
      2. atalef
        atalef 15 December 2018 09: 30
        0
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: Conductor
        Yes jeans. and western clothes

        And if you take into account that the jeans were invented by a Russian gold digger, who ordered Levis's riveted trousers, it is doubly offensive. crying

        Can I have more?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 09: 44
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Can I have more?

          Ah, well, there is another version. laughing
          1. atalef
            atalef 15 December 2018 09: 49
            0
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: atalef
            Can I have more?

            Ah, well, there is another version. laughing

            Do not you have another version - voice.
      3. New Year day
        New Year day 15 December 2018 11: 08
        +4
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        jeans came up with a Russian gold digger, who ordered pants with rivets to Levis, it’s doubly insulting

        Russians have come up with a lot of things that went west: Sikorsky - a helicopter, Zvorykin - a television, etc.
        It's a shame
    2. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 15 December 2018 06: 13
      -1
      Access to jeans and clothes had to be opened in the thirties or in the early fifties, then everything would be fine.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 06: 17
        +2
        Quote: Tatar 174
        access to jeans and clothes had to be opened in the thirties or in the early fifties, then everything would be fine.

        There was access. Read Makarenko, or something.
        1. Tatar 174
          Tatar 174 15 December 2018 18: 37
          -1
          And what did Makarenko say about jeans? There’s no strength and health to read already .... I remember the seventies when we were looking for jeans at the flea markets, we checked them from the inside with chewing matches, they were hiding in the hallways from the police ... I still don’t understand what was anti-Soviet in them ...
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 20: 19
            +3
            Quote: Tatar 174
            And what did Makarenko say about jeans?

            His attitude to clothes as things was purely practical. Those. the colony provided itself to everyone. They knew how to earn. After he was tired of doing small things, and the colony built a factory, and switched to the production of FED cameras under a German license and a power tool. From a state farm it turned into an enterprise. Under the patronage of the bloody NKVD.
            Quote: Tatar 174
            Access to jeans and clothes should have been opened in the thirties or early fifties

            In general, jeans were seen in the USSR in the 57th year, here again questions to Khrushch. I am convinced that Stalin would not have bothered with such issues as the ban on imported-cut pants. Khrushch had a complete lack of taste and style. And in the artels 2 million people worked, and they gave work to many invalids of the Second World War. Artels even produced TV sets before the war. In the 30s. In my city there is an enterprise "Procter and Gamble", Taidy, and Arieli produces, as before Khrushch it was called the "Third Five-Year Plan" artel. Well, in principle, I'm not particularly interested in the topic of pants, I didn't care if I had Montana, or ordinary ones from the factory "Bolshevichka". Although I agree that the ban looked idiotic. All the pants were made on Malaya Arnautskaya in Odessa. laughing
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 15 December 2018 11: 10
        +4
        Quote: Tatar 174
        Access to jeans and clothes had to be opened in the thirties or in the early fifties, then everything would be fine.

        Wasn’t it easier to copy this business? They created a cult from them. 110 rubles jeans in the 83rd! On the black market even more. And the packages that are lying around everywhere? commonplace sunglasses? Deficit! One big word.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 15 December 2018 12: 25
          +3
          The deficit, as a means of the collapse of the country, was created deliberately, and not because of the inability of the authorities.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 15 December 2018 12: 28
            +3
            I don’t argue, but we had cotton fabric and polyethylene and it was possible to act in Chinese — to rivet pants and bags. But there were problems with sausage. for example, and with household appliances ...
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 15 December 2018 13: 35
              +4
              Sylvester! I mean that both deficit and hard were created intentionally. The top under Brezhnev had already decided that the whole country should belong to them and their children. That they successfully turned for themselves.
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 20: 39
              +1
              Quote: Silvestr
              but we had cotton cloth and polyethylene, and it was possible to do in Chinese, to rivet pants and bags.

              Cotton is used to release gunpowder. The Americans have a lot of cotton, they print dollars from them. And we have gunpowder and quilted jackets. The cotton industry barely covered the needs of the USSR. Instead of jeans, we had padded jackets. Not appreciated. And in Japan, our quilted jackets were expensive. Well, the packages are in the same pile. Cellulose is made from cotton.
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 15 December 2018 13: 31
            -1
            Quote: NordUral
            The deficit, as a means of the collapse of the country, was created deliberately, and not because of the inability of the authorities.

            Well, and power: how to organize a total deficit, so to spit, and how to organize so that it does not exist, so the ability is zero!

            It’s clear, it’s clear, all around "traitors and enemies" lol
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 15 December 2018 13: 41
              +4
              Olgovich! The whole problem is what kind of power it is. In the post-war Stalinist period, everything was successfully solved, but with the arrival of Khrushch and the introduction of its "reforms" everything fell apart, which gives food for dirty philippics like yours.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 16 December 2018 08: 07
                0
                Quote: NordUral
                Olgovich! The whole problem is what kind of power it is. In the post-war Stalinist period everything was successfully solved, but with the arrival of Khrushchev and the introduction of its "reforms" everything fell apart, which gives food for dirty philippics like yours.

                The famine under Stalin was with deaths (47-48 years) and hard labor low-paid, caught up only in 1913 for food to its end is a disastrous result.
      3. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 15 December 2018 11: 12
        +2
        In general, let me remind you - under Gorbachev, at the end of 80x, there were just no problems with jeans - many cooperatives found mountains of vareniks. Has someone forgotten already?
        This is where it started, cooperators, reketirs, bribes, loot, loot, loot drinks
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 11: 34
          0
          Quote: Beringovsky
          In general, let me remind you - under Gorbachev, at the end of 80x, there were just no problems with jeans - many cooperatives found mountains of vareniks. Has someone forgotten already?
          This is where it started, cooperators, reketirs, bribes, loot, loot, loot

          Yes, they did it themselves. Newspaper and iron. Tank yes "Persol".
          1. Beringovsky
            Beringovsky 15 December 2018 12: 14
            +3
            Here ... And then many here have forgotten how everything was. That's why strange reasoning.
            Ah ah, Khrushchev ruined the artels! And if there were artels, as under Stalin, then ... Then what? In perestroika they allowed "artels like under Stalin" - Cooperatives, and how did it end?
            Ah ah, they didn’t let the Party and the Government criticize, but if they hadn’t gagged, then !!! ... What? Well, they allowed to criticize - Publicity, Pluralism, Looks-Lights-Interlocutors, etc. And to what have they agreed, criticized?
            Ah ah, they didn’t allow the initiative of the people, there weren’t any Real Soviets, as Stalin wanted, the commies usurped all power! And if they did, then ... Well, they did, they removed article 6, and how did it end? The renewal and triumph of Socialism? But figurines, everyone knows how it ended.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 12: 24
              +1
              Quote: Beringovsky
              But figurines, everyone knows how it ended.

              Ai Ai! Read the memoirs of Matlock, or something, how he ruined the Union, why Yelkin went to the 89 in the USA, with whom he studied in the USA in the same group, etc. Maybe you will understand that the USSR was ruined as planned and steadily. And on cooperation issues - contact cooperator Abramovich, he still managed to sell the forest in the army.
              1. Beringovsky
                Beringovsky 15 December 2018 12: 57
                +1
                So what? What is the novelty? Ah ah, mean Americans, they meanly and secretly ruined ...
                Yes, it’s full of you, from the beginning of History, everyone was only engaged in the fact that they meanly ruined, secretly and clearly. Starting right from the 3rd dynasty of Ur and Akhenaten to the Munich conspiracy, everyone just did what was mean and (as secretly as possible) fell apart, fell apart, fell apart ....
                Did the Communists not teach history? Why did they give themselves to circle around the finger like small children? Simple-minded?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 13: 06
                  +3
                  Quote: Beringovsky
                  Simple-minded?

                  Exactly. Imagine, I knew one decent communist, so he refused the apartment. (dvuhka improved layout). He did not break to power, as according to Talkov:
                  "Komsomol organizers have reorganized,
                  In the show business went
                  And one of them has its own organ
                  Calls the company Fox
                  He became a capitalist communist from Goskino,
                  Instead of films about security officers
                  Advertises ... "
                  These are not communists in spirit.
                  1. Beringovsky
                    Beringovsky 15 December 2018 13: 14
                    +3
                    But I don’t argue - I was partly like that myself, and I know many others who did not manage to cross the internal moral barriers, but ...
                    You know, there’s a wise saying - simplicity is worse than theft. It is thanks to the simple-minded fools that many such Komsomol members divorced.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 15 December 2018 12: 29
          +3
          Quote: Beringovsky
          in the late 80s

          and in the beginning? 1977- 1983 - it was a terrible shortage
          1. Beringovsky
            Beringovsky 15 December 2018 13: 02
            +1
            So what? Allowed in 77g all that was allowed in 87g, and the Soviet Union would have collapsed ten years earlier - in 82 years.
    3. Henderson
      Henderson 16 December 2018 19: 53
      +1
      Not jeans and western clothes, but the absence of their normal clothes (and not only clothes). You won’t be full of machines and tanks alone
  6. Yes
    Yes 15 December 2018 06: 13
    +4
    Soviet civilization will return, there is no doubt about that. Only again, this will happen through the blood!
  7. Vladimir K.
    Vladimir K. 15 December 2018 06: 22
    +5
    In general, I agree. Just, in particular, I do not agree with a positive assessment of Kosygin’s reforms - they were the first step towards the bourgeoisie of the Soviet economy, because they introduced the concept of profitability as the basis for economic activity. Although the economy remained planned after that, our economists have since begun to focus not on quality indicators, including both improving production quality and reducing costs, but on a simple shaft with maximum uniformity in the assortment of goods and with rationalization and invention activities.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 15 December 2018 12: 23
      +1
      Vladimir! I agree with you. For a long time I was convinced that his ideas were pushed back. But the Internet has opened its eyes to its role in the collapse of the country. They pushed just those whose ideas and plans for the country's computerized planned economy were killed in the bud.
  8. Per se.
    Per se. 15 December 2018 06: 34
    +6
    What do you say here, in many respects Alexander is right. However, there is one paradox, as from the category that better parents have worse and worse children ... How did it turn out that the correct system, under Joseph Vissarionovich, as it turns out, was correct, only under Stalin, was oriented under Stalin, and there was not a single person in the entire Soviet Union, from Stalin’s entourage, who was also assembled and worthy continuation of the construction of socialism? It turns out that Joseph Vissarionovich himself surrounded himself with fools and potential traitors? That is the question, dear Alexander. It seems that everything that happened is natural, but this is not the collapse of socialism, it’s just that capitalism turned out to be more experienced, we were beaten first of all ideologically, and with particular meanness, hypocrisy and hypocrisy. And, there is a silver lining here, world capitalism has thrown off its sheep's clothing, showed the mask of its true "democracy". Chatterbox and dreamer Gorbachev, was not alone in his humanism, in the hope of peaceful coexistence with the West, in the hope that there are people there too, who want peace and happiness. Alas, it turned out to be a naive utopia. Now everything falls into place. First, capitalism has no future, its positive has ended, ended as soon as transnational monopolies were formed, in which competition is increasingly becoming fiction, especially when not only internal systemic competition disappears, but also external, when external competition disappears from socialism, after the collapse of Soviet Union. Secondly, the entire economic system of world capitalism is inherently a giant pyramid, and for the normal functioning of this system, especially its development, all new colonies are needed, and they are no longer there, well, they drank blood from the new countries that were in the Soviet bloc, everything the extension ends. Russia itself remains, where it seemed that their own bad boys were in power, that they sold themselves to the bourgeoisie for their "jar" of jam and a "pack" of cookies, keeping their junk with the bourgeoisie, and living by their rules, in their system, but no .. ... Russia has remained the Soviet potential, primarily nuclear, to date, Russia is the only country that can destroy the United States, and Great Britain, the main owners of world capitalism. It’s impossible to openly pass Russia to the bad guys, the people will not understand, they have to inflate their cheeks, plus hope to squeeze out a share or create a parallel (alternative) capitalism under the new owners of the country. This is also a dead end, if only because the bad people live on the Soviet legacy, and the quality of science, education and health care inevitably decreases, they don’t want to develop something that does not give a minute profit, which can be dumped at any time to their owners, to your bills, yachts and villas over the hill. Therefore, Russia can be saved only by returning the social system independent of all world ghouls, reviving socialism. In this, the West itself pushes Russia out of its system, and we will have no alternative for victory, remaining in capitalism, only an independent social system, without any traitors. To all, Germany, as the most powerful European country, the leader of the European Union, has long wanted to get out from under the actual occupation of the United States, and this is only a new GDR, socialism, which the Germans are not alien. Everything is just beginning, and it was conceived by the Creator or the great space programmers. The enemy will be defeated, the victory will be ours, the aspen stake, in the black heart of satanic capitalism, will be thrust. Without socialism, earthlings do not have a decent future, and normal people on the planet would hardly want to get electronic slavery or "zombieland" in capitalism.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 15 December 2018 09: 34
      +2
      Quote: Per se.
      It turns out that Joseph Vissarionovich himself surrounded himself with fools and potential traitors?

      The inner-party struggle continued constantly. She walked between the Bolsheviks and the Trotskyists.

      Before the revolution, the number of RSDLP 46 thousand people. After the revolution, it already amounted to 350 thousand. Who are these people and why did they end up in the party? Most of them were Trotskyists. In fact, the 1 th Bolshevik accounted for the 10 th Trotskyists. Decisions in the party were made by a majority vote and when today the current Trotskyists are trying to blame the genocide of the Russian people at the beginning of the revolution on the Bolsheviks - this is a vile lie.

      After Lenin's death, Stalin carried out the "Lenin's call" to the party of ordinary workers and peasants. thus, the number of the party by 1932 was more than 3 million. The number of Bolsheviks became greater than the number of Trotskyists, and thus Stalin managed to carry out his policy.

      During the war, the Trotskyists, such as Khrushchev and Brezhnev and others, carried out a new recruitment for the party and by the 1952 year the number of the party was already about 7 millions. The Trotskyists again prevailed. They declared their victory to the whole World by renaming the CPSU (B.) In the CPSU. The mention of the Bolsheviks was removed from the abbreviation of the party. Thus, the Trotskyists showed all the bourgeoisie of the World - we are ours, we are bourgeois.

      Stalin's legacy was so great that they only after 40 years managed to realize their dream - perestroika.

      1. Per se.
        Per se. 15 December 2018 12: 05
        +3
        Quote: Boris55
        The inner-party struggle continued constantly. She walked between the Bolsheviks and the Trotskyists.
        Boris, it seems that you read my comment to the question of being surrounded by fools and traitors, and then it’s not the point, you wrote about the Trotskyists. Yes, the inner-party struggle, Trotskyists, and what, we have the rise of power, maybe even remember the Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries? Iosif Vissarionovich was officially in power from 1929 to March 1953, that is, for more than 20 years, already having a superpower, a streamlined management mechanism, and his people deployed everywhere. Again, will you develop a version on the topic of bad boyars and a good king? Where did all these Trotskyists come from, if Trotsky himself was liquidated on Stalin's orders back in 1940 in Mexico, what can we say about the "Trotskyists" in Stalin's inner circle, which he personally determined? Well, miracles, Lev Davydovich returned as a kind of "stone guest", incorruptible spirit, infecting everyone with his Trotskyism, where did all the faithful Stalinists disappear, it turns out that they are all werewolves, shape-shifters! This is an epidemic, the CPSU (b), "bitten" by Trotsky, are renamed into the CPSU, after which they surrender the CPSU and all the traitors flee to United Russia ... to the enemy in the person of the West, in the person of world capitalism? I have already spoken about the regularity of what is happening, and expressed my conviction about the return of socialism, I will not repeat myself. I will add only one thing, everything is learned in comparison, not only Khrushchev and Gorbachev are to blame, everyone is to blame, and everyone had to make sure what capitalism is in reality, get drunk on "Snickers", get drunk on "Cola", erase your scrotum with coveted jeans. from the bourgeois frenzy we have done, we need to revive the country.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 15 December 2018 12: 37
          +1
          Quote: Per se.
          Joseph Vissarionovich was officially in power from the 1929 of the year to March of the 1953 of the year, that is, more than 20 with more than one year

          Putin is almost the same for 20 years, but did he manage to turn the tide?

          You can certainly believe that a new man has come and everyone rushed faithfully to serve him. This does not happen in life. The Bolsheviks alone would not be able to rule the country. Just physically they weren’t enough for everything. They were forced to work with the Trotskyists. During this time, the Trotskyists all over the country placed their people in key posts and Trotsky’s escape by and large did not change anything. The Trotskyists had already taken power, and only fear of Stalin, made them work for the interests of the country. As soon as Stalin was killed, they set about fulfilling their dreams.

          In addition, the Bolsheviks for the most part were from ordinary workers and peasants and had limited knowledge in management. New cadres were prepared by old-regime professors. They laid in the minds of new students in addition to knowledge and their ideology. In addition, the rebirth of the party did not happen simultaneously, but over the course of 40 years. Old cadres were dying, washed out in the process of internal party struggle. Careerists took their place.

          Brezhnev Constitution in the 6-st. (on the guiding and guiding) recorded their complete victory over the advice. Thus, the power of the Soviets in the USSR was eliminated. Power completely passed partnomenclature.

          Is it necessary to build socialism according to the Stalin model - yes. We have no other way, otherwise we will be torn. Whether this should be done by force is not. It only temporarily drives them into the shadows and there will always be a danger of their revenge. Is this possible in an evolutionary way - yes. For this, it is enough that most would realize this.
          1. Alexander Ra
            Alexander Ra 16 December 2018 16: 37
            +1
            Quote: Boris55
            socialism on the Stalin model

            Could you briefly list the principles of the Stalinist model?
        2. Claymore
          Claymore 16 December 2018 01: 24
          -1
          Quote: Per se.
          Vissarionovich was officially in power from 1929 to March 1953,

          What do you mean "was officially in power"?
          What were its official functions and powers?
      2. Tarhan
        Tarhan 16 December 2018 13: 16
        0
        Stalin's legacy was so great that they only after 40 years managed to realize their dream - perestroika.

        What's this? Notes from the madhouse?
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 15 December 2018 11: 15
      +6
      Quote: Per se.
      It turns out that Joseph Vissarionovich himself surrounded himself with fools and potential traitors?

      in the film "Wolf Pack" Mikoyan replies to Khrushchev like this: "No one canceled the struggle for power even under socialism."
      Each leader takes a subordinate convenient, not conflicting, reasonably smart, preferably without careerism. everything is subordinate to one thing - to work, but not to sit around.
      Now- the same thing + family ties + money. How can a smart, independent specialist get through this sieve?
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 15 December 2018 12: 27
        +2
        Quote: Silvestr
        "the struggle for power has not been canceled even under socialism"
        The struggle for power has not been canceled even under capitalism, the difference is that anyone can be the president of the United States, even a monkey from a zoo, a system that has been debugged for centuries, controlled by large capital, a clan of behind-the-scenes puppeteers such as the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Morgan will work, and other ghouls. Our system was not debugged, and there is no worthy leader, no worthy country. The problem is that there were no Soviet "apostles" for such antichrists, among the bourgeois clans of the world's bloodsuckers, that even after Stalin's death they could supervise the course of the system, be the personification of truth and justice in serving their people. Another problem is that it was hard to believe that the third was not given, that all Rothschilds are no longer people, that it is impossible to exist with them without fighting, all the more, believing in their "democracy". In this, what happened is natural.
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 15 December 2018 12: 20
      +2
      Sergei! I will notice, not in essence, but in the form of your expression. You would have removed the capitalization and punctuation marks so that it was completely unreadable.
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 15 December 2018 12: 56
        0
        Quote: NordUral
        Sergei! I will note, not in substance, but in the form of your expression.
        Eugene, if your "run over" is according to my writings, then I will say that "I am an old soldier and do not know the words of love", but I will not draw emoticons instead of "mnogobukaff", I do not know how. Excuse me, I express my opinion as best I can.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 15 December 2018 13: 03
          +2
          Sergei! And the rules of grammar, breakdown into semantic paragraphs are not available to the "old soldier"? Or is it just a form of expression of your attitude towards interlocutors?
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 15 December 2018 13: 13
            0
            Quote: NordUral
            And the rules of grammar, breakdown into semantic paragraphs
            I will consider your criticism, but do not confuse grammatical and spelling errors. I hope, however, that I cannot be accused of speaking tongues. We will fight heavy sentences, and we must express our thoughts more concisely. I hope that you do not forget what pedantry is, after all, this is not an exam for philologists.
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 15 December 2018 13: 15
              +1
              Sergey, I’m not in terms of running over, it’s hard to read, until you get to the point, forget what you read. Batch (paragraphs) information is easier to understand.
    4. Astronaut
      Astronaut 15 December 2018 19: 25
      0
      It turns out that Joseph Vissarionovich himself surrounded himself with fools and potential traitors?

      Unfortunately, geniuses do not get along with other geniuses. Myasishchev was unable to work with Chelomey when his design bureau was joined to the Chelomey design bureau.
  9. Konstantin Shevchenko
    Konstantin Shevchenko 15 December 2018 06: 37
    +1
    The author is well done, he returned to the past. All that is complicated in the furnace. 1983 The fastest computer in the USSR, I can be wrong with the date, and everything is done.
  10. Olgovich
    Olgovich 15 December 2018 06: 45
    -6
    The party elite has relied on material needs and personal interest. Enthusiasm is replaced by a "long ruble." Matter conquers the spirit.

    I wonder what the author eats: enthusiasm? Does he live in the astral?
    By the way, it was the sharp material improvement in life, and not the low-paid enthusiasm, that the leaders of the VOR promised immediately after it.

    Brezhnev also tried to fulfill at least something of the promise, the people lived with him.
    In fact, the government and the people then concluded a “big deal”. People got the opportunity live beyond our means, raise their standard of living without connection with the growth of production efficiency and labor productivity. Most buy "freebie". Like, the people suffered for a long time and tightened their belts, let them now live in satiety.

    Oops, the author is not only the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, but the PEOPLE is already bad, has become a fan of "FREEBY".
    And these are the people who hard labor worked for decades, like no other people in the world!

    Our people were the BEST in the world, but labor productivity does not grow from the fact that workers begin to wave faster with a hammer, but from the fact that the waving man is equipped with new equipment. There wasn’t enough brains and the ability to do it, but people were blamed.
    However, the party elite was frightened of this future, its people, its creative, constructive impulse. Instead of breaking into the future, overtaking the animal predatory West for a thousand years, the nomenclature chose stability (“stagnation”). The masters of the country were afraid of the new reality.

    what she was scared, some kind of kindergarten by the author. They began to carry out swings to the people: even though they caught up with the 1913 level of food and housing and went on to improve. But that system could not provide funds for this; pls help all Africa ....
  11. nikvic46
    nikvic46 15 December 2018 07: 18
    +1
    It was possible to go over the reparations, because of which our light industry was poorly developed. And when the article "Power of the whole people" appeared in the Brezhnev Constitution, it was clear that the people had nothing to do with it. And the people were far from being a freeloader. If only this government inherited everything in full, then there was no conversation.
  12. rosomaha
    rosomaha 15 December 2018 07: 22
    +2
    Listen, Samsonov is the same, only in a different sequence of paragraphs. He posts several different topics, but the essence of the content is the same, even paragraphs are repeated. And at the end it sets - to be continued ... and then figs you will analyze the continuation of which topic ... they are the same in content. Take for example the last 2 weeks and view its topics. You can’t even read them .. run through your eyes, it’s clear that the same thing. Admins need to see this ... and if you allow it, then with a TOTALLY new material ... and if the repetitions, no earlier than in a year. You spend time on his writings, and novelty is zero, one and the same, in the same words.
  13. stalki
    stalki 15 December 2018 07: 54
    +2
    In general, the article is correct, one can argue about some episodes of history, but on the whole everything is correct. I just want to add a figurative comparison. Using the example of an ordinary human body, or any other. When the body is in constant development and movement, it will be strong and always in good shape. And when the "movement" ends, a period of weakening and stagnation sets in, there is still a reserve of strength, but it begins to dry out. Blood does not run as fast, metabolism deteriorates, etc., etc. so it happened with the USSR.
    1. depressant
      depressant 15 December 2018 08: 27
      +3
      Author, you, like all Russian Russians, have not understood anything. Or you are afraid to touch upon the national question. Or do not attach any importance to it. Russia (read Russian), as the bearer of the communist idea, surrounded itself with the first security perimeter in the form of union republics with a feudal, or even tribal mentality. They would never have become Soviet (read loyal to Russia), if not for the sometimes artificial, when forced saturation of their territories with Russian people. And then in the post-war years there was a demographic boom, mainly among the local rural population (from five to ten children). By the 60s, this resulted in unemployment - the "locals" did not want to go to the cold, not completely restored Russia. And then there was a Central Committee decree on the priority of local personnel, from which everything started. Here Tatyana is an expert, let him tell you.
      1. stalki
        stalki 15 December 2018 08: 31
        0
        I accept your argument, it has weight, but it is included in the chain of other reasons. You yourself understand that not only that. Yes, everyone understands everything. No need to reset this.
        1. depressant
          depressant 15 December 2018 08: 57
          +10
          Sorry, it's hard to answer from the phone. This is not zeroing. I cooked in this cauldron since childhood, I know what I'm talking about. At first, the Russians were respected, then the wild ones began to descend from the mountains, and the Russian children left for Russia and remained there. The older generation of Russians was retiring and could no longer influence the political situation, and Russian children who had not left, despising local savages, put up with savagery due to the loss of the authority of their elders and the threat to life. And wherever possible and impossible, jobs were filled with "local" ones with their merchant mentality and primitive customs. The Soviet mentality was torn apart rapidly, rot went to Russia as well. As for the diplomats, they were rotten under Stalin too. In general, the Russians strained themselves in an attempt to cultivate the wild outskirts. The mentality of even a very small nation has been changing for centuries and millennia, if at all. No bright idea, especially devoid of a monetary component, can not beat savagery.
          1. stalki
            stalki 15 December 2018 09: 15
            0
            I am also on the phone. hi But this is only one facet, this is not the main reason, but the component. It is necessary to comprehensively look at things and phenomena.
          2. ruigat
            ruigat 15 December 2018 09: 23
            0
            In general, the Russians overcame in an attempt to cultivate the wild suburbs. The mentality of even a very small nation is changing for centuries and millennia, if at all. Wildness cannot be overcome by any bright idea, especially without a monetary component.

            C'mon, everything can be changed and the mentality too. Three dozen years of painstaking work and from the Russians of Ukraine, the Fed owners made banderlogs of ukroreich, you can also play back, but you need: IDEA, WILL, PLAN, RESOURCES. Does the oligarchy of the Russian Federation have all this?
            1. depressant
              depressant 15 December 2018 10: 52
              +4
              You just have no idea what you are talking about! Three decades?!? What a naive delusion! Bandera, albeit underground, have always been in Ukraine! Clandestinely - until the seventies, and then they cheerfully raised their heads, mind you, under Brezhnev, and gradually began to come to the surface, involving supporters in their ranks. I even had a cousin brother who declared himself "ideological", wrote poetry of a nationalist sense and - imagine! - published! I don't know if he is still alive ... And you are thirty years old!
              1. ruigat
                ruigat 15 December 2018 12: 36
                +1
                What a naive fallacy! Bandera, although clandestine, have always been in Ukraine!

                They said it themselves. Underground. And for 30 years, they are in power, monuments to Bandera, torchlight processions and other "delights". At the end of 1980, none of this was in Kiev, not in Kharkov.
                1. Beringovsky
                  Beringovsky 15 December 2018 18: 46
                  +2
                  At the end of 1980, none of this was in Kiev, not in Kharkov.

                  But there was "what's the difference what nationality a person is, if only he is good." Well, since there is no difference - then get it and sign. And if "there is no difference" multiplied by terry philistine and consumerism, then you will get a generation of mankurts, for whom the Motherland is where it is warm and satisfying. Here are the Russians in Ukraine and degenerated into such mankurt back in the USSR. And now their rebirth has simply deepened.
                  1. ruigat
                    ruigat 17 December 2018 15: 48
                    0
                    But there was "what's the difference what nationality a person is, if only he is good." Well, since there is no difference - then get it and sign. And if "there is no difference" multiplied by terry philistine and consumerism, then you will get a generation of mankurts, for whom the Motherland is where it is warm and satisfying. Here the Russians in Ukraine degenerated into such mankurt back in the USSR.

                    In such mankurts, the majority of the population of the USSR degenerated with the active assistance of future individuals of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, Ukraine, and Kazakhstan. Having gained power, these individuals began to remake the Soviet people subject to them into banderlogs of ukroreich, Russians Bulkhrusts, Belarusians Litvinians, etc. So this is not a feature of Ukraine.
      2. atalef
        atalef 15 December 2018 09: 40
        -3
        Quote: depressant
        Author, you, like all Russian Russians, have not understood anything. Or you are afraid to touch upon the national question. Or do not attach any importance to it. Russia (read Russian), as the bearer of the communist idea, surrounded itself with the first security perimeter in the form of union republics with a feudal, or even tribal mentality. They would never have become Soviet (read loyal to Russia), if not for the sometimes artificial, when forced saturation of their territories with Russian people. And then in the post-war years there was a demographic boom, mainly among the local rural population (from five to ten children). By the 60s, this resulted in unemployment - the "locals" did not want to go to the cold, not completely restored Russia. And then there was a Central Committee decree on the priority of local personnel, from which everything started. Here Tatyana is an expert, let him tell you.

        Well, yes, it turns out interesting - it was such a higher asta — the Russians — warriors of light and carriers of civilization, and everything was fine until the natives (savage) gave birth to a bunch of children and flooded the higher ones back. Alma is a mater (I understand you), but then questions come to mind
        1. Why in many countries aborigines have become better lives than with the sun and light
        2. Why in the camp where these shambles of light make up the absolute majority - somehow it’s not entirely sunny.
        1. depressant
          depressant 15 December 2018 10: 38
          +5
          You cannot imagine how richly the "locals" lived in Abkhazia under Brezhnev! There were almost no houses below two floors, there was a car in every yard, and this is in the countryside! And the houses of twenty rooms are literally filled with expensive furniture! I generally keep quiet about the city. And if you suddenly noticed a small modest house, then you could unmistakably say that this is the dwelling of the Russians - the Russians did not steal! But do you know how Russians lived in Russia at that time ?? Compared to life in Abkhazia? Poor! Very!
        2. aglet
          aglet 15 December 2018 11: 52
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Why in many countries aborigines have become better lives than with the sun and light

          who said they began to live better? they simply returned to national past feudalism. only, Kazakhstan rose a little higher, but just there were much more Russians there
        3. NordUral
          NordUral 15 December 2018 12: 09
          +3
          atalef and K! And why can't you sit in your sunny country? dumped, so dumped. I have friends in Israel who have left the Union, but they do not shit the country where they were born.
  14. midshipman
    midshipman 15 December 2018 08: 00
    +8
    Thank you Alexander, you definitely noticed the reason.
    I was in a very good relationship with G. Romanov and Zaykov L.N. The latter sometimes was at home (on Sivtsev Vrazhek). And he came to me on Krasnoprudnaya St. Romanova G.V. should have elected General Secretary of the CPSU, but Gromyko and Shevardnadze gave their preference to the tagged. So our path did not become socialist. And China has preserved this path.
  15. erased
    erased 15 December 2018 08: 38
    +4
    Fine! Everything is laid out in places and shown in stages. It’s a pity, real moves to withdraw the country and people from the pit where they were driven were not shown. Although, I admit, real steps will now immediately be recognized by extremism and terrorism, and some other ... ism.
  16. freddyk
    freddyk 15 December 2018 08: 42
    +5
    "Tough times give birth to strong people. Strong people create good times. Good times give birth to weak people. Weak people create difficult times" I don't remember who said, but to the point.
  17. 9lvariag
    9lvariag 15 December 2018 08: 50
    -1
    Plus set, but Stalin, too, was full of idiocy and excesses
    But the core of the article is correct, about betting. the elite and faithful Leninists.
  18. Professor
    Professor 15 December 2018 08: 50
    -6
    As a result, we lost the great Soviet civilization, the project of creating a society of the future.

    There was no civilization. There was an unsuccessful experiment on millions of people. If the author misses Dzhugashvili’s times so much, I suggest that he go for permanent residence in S. Korea.
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    2. ruigat
      ruigat 15 December 2018 09: 27
      +7
      If the author misses Dzhugashvili’s times so much, I suggest that he go for permanent residence in S. Korea.

      If North Korea is given the resources of the Russian Federation, then in a few years it will take the owners of the Fed by the throat, and Israel will crush it with the little finger of the left hand.
      1. atalef
        atalef 15 December 2018 10: 26
        -2
        Quote: ruigat
        If the author misses Dzhugashvili’s times so much, I suggest that he go for permanent residence in S. Korea.

        If North Korea is given the resources of the Russian Federation, then in a few years it will take the owners of the Fed by the throat, and Israel will crush it with the little finger of the left hand.

        Yes of course . Venezuela is not an example to you.
        No country with a socialist development path has provided its citizens with an adequate standard of living.
        In all these countries, it was like a carbon copy - mountains of weapons, a hungry population, repressions, backward production and enemies around - in all these countries at the time of the departure of the Secretary General or someone like him - 100% approvalist citizens immediately lost the gains of socialism laughing and fled away from the hegemon.
        All this socialism, or as the Bolsheviks called it, is simply a fooling of unfortunate people and nothing more
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 15 December 2018 11: 44
          +3
          Venezuela is skillfully pressed by its cute northern neighbor.
          1. Professor
            Professor 15 December 2018 12: 02
            -2
            Quote: NordUral
            Venezuela is skillfully pressed by its cute northern neighbor.

            Atalef is right. Always "socialist" regimes someone prevented the people from feeding. All around there are enemies. wassat
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 15 December 2018 13: 35
              0
              Quote: Professor
              Always "socialist" regimes someone has prevented the people from feeding. All around there are enemies

              So always annoying little things interfere with virtuoso dancers .. yes .
            2. Beringovsky
              Beringovsky 15 December 2018 19: 00
              0
              Always "socialist" regimes, someone prevented the people from feeding

              But who prevented this from the capitalist, "correct" regimes? Like Egypt, Lebanon, Nigeria, Sudan, Guatemala, Panama and many others?
              these countries can be found in the list of the poorest, there are sooo many
              1. Professor
                Professor 15 December 2018 19: 17
                +2
                Quote: Beringovsky
                Always "socialist" regimes, someone prevented the people from feeding

                But who prevented this from the capitalist, "correct" regimes? Like Egypt, Lebanon, Nigeria, Sudan, Guatemala, Panama and many others?
                these countries can be found in the list of the poorest, there are sooo many

                Where did you get the idea that they are correct?
        2. ruigat
          ruigat 15 December 2018 12: 32
          +5
          All this socialism, or as the Bolsheviks called it, is simply a fooling of unfortunate people and nothing more

          Well yes. In the People's Republic of China, they are engaged in the fact that people are being duped by shooting thieving bureaucrats. I also want to fool around like that, otherwise the most truthful capitalism, in which thieves and bandits flourish and live on, is already fed up.
      2. Professor
        Professor 15 December 2018 11: 46
        -4
        Quote: ruigat
        If the author misses Dzhugashvili’s times so much, I suggest that he go for permanent residence in S. Korea.

        If North Korea is given the resources of the Russian Federation, then in a few years it will take the owners of the Fed by the throat, and Israel will crush it with the little finger of the left hand.

        The scoop and resources did not help. Shelves of shops could not be filled, and the people just wanted to live humanly. The entire Soviet system was rotten from top to bottom, and not just the top as the author is trying to imagine here. Personally, I am not surprised that the regime broke up, but that it took 70 years already.
        1. ruigat
          ruigat 15 December 2018 12: 27
          +2
          The scoop and resources did not help. Shelves of shops could not be filled, and the people just wanted to live humanly.

          Shelves of shops were even more empty when future individuals of the Russian oligarchy began to break the Soviet system. Most of the people in the USSR lived humanly, and not like now in the Russian Federation, some live according to TSARSKI, a bit so-so, and the rest according to ... ..........
    3. Boris55
      Boris55 15 December 2018 10: 21
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      If the author misses Dzhugashvili’s times so much, I suggest that he go for permanent residence in S. Korea.

      Tell me, what is it called when the power is inherited?
      Is socialism really? laughing
      1. Professor
        Professor 15 December 2018 12: 03
        -2
        Quote: Boris55
        Quote: Professor
        If the author misses Dzhugashvili’s times so much, I suggest that he go for permanent residence in S. Korea.

        Tell me, what is it called when the power is inherited?
        Is socialism really? laughing

        What is the legacy? The chairman is elected by the Politburo. Forgot?
    4. NordUral
      NordUral 15 December 2018 11: 46
      0
      Foolishly Professor.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 11: 51
        +1
        Quote: NordUral
        Foolishly Professor.

        That Sokolov, that Atalef, piled into Israel, and they sit, they teach us wisdom. "Scoop! Scoop!" They lacked the goods. Shovels with a motor.
    5. aglet
      aglet 15 December 2018 11: 55
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      If the author misses Dzhugashvili’s times so much, I suggest that he go for permanent residence in S. Korea

      respectable, do not align the bayonet with your finger. in the DPRK with the USSR, only the military uniform is similar, and the national spirit
  19. wooja
    wooja 15 December 2018 09: 00
    +2
    Yes, they did ..., Maybe they would have done it earlier, but Stalin prevented .... Khrushchev was a little fry ... the question was who he was profitable for ... and even with negative selection Stalin could not do anything, the party elite was improving, but it’s not smarter became .... sad
  20. BAI
    BAI 15 December 2018 09: 14
    +4
    We collapsed due to the betrayal of the "elite"

    The author does not find that if the state system collapses, if someone in power is inconsistent (king, general secretary), is this an unstable, not viable system?
  21. high
    high 15 December 2018 09: 50
    -6
    The path of the USSR is North Korea and Cuba.
    The people could not live in poverty, when only the capital and very large cities were provided with food.
    At the beginning of the 80, I went on a business trip to Bryansk from Moscow, in canteens, cafes ... there was nothing to eat, the shops were with empty shelves.
    As soon as the workers, in the early 60s, held a peaceful demonstration against the imitation of food, the army used weapons.
    Dozens of people died, several were sentenced to death, many received long sentences.
    Until now, Russia cannot achieve the standard of living in Western countries; today, the standard of living of the Russian population is 101 place .
    Phones, automobiles, computers, civilian aircraft, electronic drugs, equipment for oil, gas .... are bought in the West. Russia could, over time, establish this production, but all the intellectual forces have been thrown into service.
    In billionth China, the army is 2
    In the USA, where the population is 2 times larger than Russia, the army is 2 083 100 people
    In Russia, the largest army is 3 586 128 people
    https://gotoroad.ru/best/indexlife
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 15 December 2018 11: 09
      +2
      alta! All that you wrote about soberly is the work of the predecessors of those who destroyed the Union and are killing Russia. Young people who don’t know the USSR can believe you (and they are slowly starting to understand that the death of the Union was not quite the same as they say from all the irons of modern Russia), but not those who lived then.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 11: 59
      +3
      Quote: alta
      At the beginning of the 80, I went on a business trip to Bryansk from Moscow, in canteens, cafes ... there was nothing to eat, the shops were with empty shelves.

      The couple in Bryansk was very sad to see. laughing I’ve run around half the country in the beginning of the 80’s, there was food everywhere in the cafe. Did you happen to be sent for the first hundred kilometers not due to the Olympics?
    3. aglet
      aglet 15 December 2018 12: 00
      +1
      Quote: alta
      In the early 80s I went on a business trip to Bryansk from Moscow, in canteens, cafes ... there was nothing to eat, shops were with empty shelves

      At that time I didn’t even live in Bryansk, but I didn’t starve, for some reason. and the shelves in the stores were somehow not empty. Where could you find such stores in the early 80s?
      1. wooja
        wooja 15 December 2018 12: 27
        +3
        Yes, the difficulties are greatly exaggerated, let's say-- it was tolerable ....,
    4. aglet
      aglet 15 December 2018 12: 07
      +1
      Quote: alta
      Phones, automobiles, computers, civilian aircraft, electronic drugs, equipment for oil, gas .... are bought in the West. Russia could, over time, establish this production, but all the intellectual forces have been thrown into service.

      all this was done in the USSR, and now everything is destroyed by the modern system. there was enough intellectual forces in the USSR for everything, you are still eating that legacy. nothing new has been created. no scientists, no engineers, no skilled workers. but in bulk managers, lawyers and owners of beer stalls. this is progress, this is development
    5. aglet
      aglet 15 December 2018 12: 10
      +1
      Quote: alta
      Until now, Russia cannot achieve the standard of living in Western countries; today the standard of living of the Russian population is 101

      so far is it starting in 1991?
    6. Campanella
      Campanella 15 December 2018 18: 28
      0
      Are you tired of liberals hanging noodles on the ears of the people? Now France has reared up. Probably from a good life. In the USA, in my opinion, from 2 to 10% are illiterate, about 40 million are poor, 32% of them are children and 21% of homeless children. Life in civilized countries is far from sugar!
  22. arhPavel
    arhPavel 15 December 2018 09: 50
    +1
    Of course, the USSR as an example of the role of the individual in history is very revealing.
    Therefore, the bourgeois elite is advancing "democracy", although in the most democratic country, blooms even more trenchantly, and hereditary senators in 4-5 generations, and puppet presidents.
    But by the way, an example of democracy in another country.
    300 meters with the Russian flag and three patrols.
    There guys have a video from last year, evaluate the dynamics of changes
  23. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 09: 54
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Do not you have another version - voice.

    Either in Komsomolskaya Pravda, or in Aif (I don’t remember exactly), I read that it was the Russian gold digger who ordered the riveted pants. California belonged to us until its Swedish miller was sold.
    1. atalef
      atalef 15 December 2018 10: 19
      -1
      Quote: mordvin xnumx
      Quote: atalef
      Do not you have another version - voice.

      Either in Komsomolskaya Pravda, or in Aif (I don’t remember exactly), I read that it was the Russian gold digger who ordered the riveted pants. California belonged to us until its Swedish miller was sold.

      Yes, yes OBS - generally read you so generally everything in the world was created in Russia or stolen from her laughing
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 10: 24
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        Yes, yes OBS - generally read you so generally everything in the world was created in Russia or stolen from her

        No, I don’t need someone else’s. And the fact that California belonged to Russia is a fact. That you stole twenty bucks in Israel when you fled from the USSR. Yes, and two Chumudans. Undermined the economy of our country. repeat
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 16 December 2018 20: 20
          0
          California did not belong to Russia. It is a fact. We had a little Fort Ross in California.
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 15 December 2018 10: 31
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        Yes, yes OBS - generally read you so generally everything in the world was created in Russia or stolen from her

        Do you know why patent offices are invented? They were invented not in order to protect the copyright of the inventor, but in order to transfer the right to inventions to whoever needs it. In general, as the proverb says: "Without a piece of paper you're a turd, but with a piece of paper - an inventor." laughing
        1. atalef
          atalef 15 December 2018 11: 56
          0
          Quote: Boris55
          Quote: atalef
          Yes, yes OBS - generally read you so generally everything in the world was created in Russia or stolen from her

          Do you know why patent offices are invented? They were invented not in order to protect the copyright of the inventor, but in order to transfer the right to inventions to whoever needs it. In general, as the proverb says: "Without a piece of paper you're a turd, but with a piece of paper - an inventor." laughing

          Patent offices are just designed so that different throats do not scream, this is mine and it has been stolen from me.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 15 December 2018 12: 06
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            Patent offices are just designed so that different throats do not scream, this is mine and it has been stolen from me.

            "All that we see is only one appearance.
            Far from the surface of the sea to the bottom.
            Consider inconsequential manifest in the world,
            For the secret essence of things is not visible. "

            Omar Khayyam
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 13: 16
        +1
        Atalef, say how many ideas Kulibin stole? From prosthesis to scooter, from semaphore to elevator.
    2. aglet
      aglet 15 December 2018 12: 12
      +1
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      California belonged to us until its Swedish miller was sold

      when California belonged to us, we didn’t wear riveted pants. then powdered wigs were in fashion
  24. rayruav
    rayruav 15 December 2018 09: 56
    +2
    I would like to take a look at the high-tech breakthrough on an empty stomach and in private pants, and when Brezhnev there was a jerk used dosihpor
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 15 December 2018 11: 00
      +6
      rayruav! The jerk was under Stalin, and then the country moved by inertia and then with the energy of the people brought up by Stalin. But any, even the most powerful impulse gradually fades out without recharge. And this recharge, starting with the khrushch, was gone. And the winding up and destruction of the Stalinist reforms and the mechanism of that unprecedented in the history of the world uplift of the spirit and economy of the country began.
      To our great misfortune, and indeed to the whole world, either the enemies of the people or insignificant people were in no way fit for the role that they fell to power. And then, precisely because of their dullness, the idea to seize the whole people’s property became stronger in their heads. Which was done.
      There were no economic prerequisites for the collapse of the Union, there were only selfish interests of the top and nomenclature.
      1. rayruav
        rayruav 15 December 2018 11: 53
        0
        Northern Urals! the Stalinist economy, by its nature, mobilizing for any people should improve the standard of living, which happened in the future, with alternating success, I agree on the nomenclature, just below my comment
  25. depressant
    depressant 15 December 2018 09: 59
    +5
    And I want to add, the author, - while my phone takes the total amount of comments. Before it’s too late, we need to start talking about the Internal Security Perimeter - can we keep the handouts at the expense of robbing the Russians? The perimeter has already lifted its head and brazenly, shamelessly demands more and more. And this is not only the Caucasus! .. And we are tired ... How many have we lost in the Civil? Eight million Warriors - in the Second World War! How many Russian children did they give birth to? We lost the gene pool and were tired to the point that we allowed the villains to slaughter lively - to declare to foreigners tens of millions of Russians of the First guard perimeter, thanks to which many of those present here could easily be born, study and take up retirement, work and sofa places in which they are now they’re sitting ... And the Inner, seeing how easily we sacrifice parts of our national organism, has been thinking for a long time about how and what else we can bargain with, but it won’t work out - so that we can isolate it from us .... It’s time to move away from tiredness, it's time to wake up!
    1. rayruav
      rayruav 15 December 2018 11: 57
      +1
      this policy began with Lenin, the truth is the icon of her and the edge is not visible, and people stubbornly do not want to admit the mistakes of their beloved leaders
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    3. Alexander Ra
      Alexander Ra 16 December 2018 17: 20
      +1
      Quote: depressant
      can we hold the handouts due to the robbery of the Russians?

      Amy Chua substantiated the thesis that the economic "appeasement" of minorities in no country in the world has been effective in the last half century. We need completely new types of exchanges with other peoples - without parasitism, amensalism. International "elites" will not be looking for them. We need a national elite, we need social nations. "Elite" slows down development.
  26. rayruav
    rayruav 15 December 2018 10: 08
    +1
    about Khrushchev: what an insidious long-term plan from 53 to 91 it took them longer to build up, the children of secretaries themselves who became secretaries wanted to become new nobles all now, we tried to make a new community of Soviet people from us, but we could not or didn’t raise our children in the spirit Leninism
    1. aglet
      aglet 15 December 2018 12: 18
      +1
      Quote: rayruav
      children of secretaries themselves become secretaries

      in the USSR, children of secretaries did not become secretaries, it is now the son of a minister (secretary of the Security Council, Sechin, etc.), they are becoming ministers. smart because, and hardworking, and orders at 25 years old full jacket
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 16 December 2018 20: 23
        0
        But in the PRC from the very beginning of its existence, and still are the children of party leaders, ministers, etc. also very often became and are becoming party leaders, ministers, etc. But not with all leaders and not always. I do not know any examples of the children of members of the Politburo of the Central Committee or ministers becoming members of the Politburo or ministers, but quite often they become heads of the level of departments of the Central Committee and deputy ministers.
  27. NordUral
    NordUral 15 December 2018 10: 51
    +2
    At the same time, everyone was subconsciously sure that the achievements of the USSR would be preserved: the absence of the threat of war, a high level of development of education and health care, a low crime rate, free kindergartens, schools and institutes, free apartments, low prices for housing and communal services (gas, electricity , water, etc.) and other achievements of socialism.
    This is what renegades and ghouls played in the Soviet elite and nomenclature.
    I fully agree with the author; I myself am constantly talking about this. We did not lose, we were betrayed and corrupted, and in order to resist the assassination of the Union and socialism less, we did everything so that the development of the country ceased, and the shortcomings were not just bulged out, but intentionally created.
    And it all started with Khrushch and Zhukov. It was their tandem, with the help of other narrow-minded "leaders", who killed Stalin and Beria, and then the USSR.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 15 December 2018 10: 58
      0
      Quote: NordUral
      And it all started with Khrushch and Zhukov. It was their tandem, with the help of other narrow-minded "leaders", who killed Stalin and Beria, and then the USSR.

      Here's an interesting video just on the topic and answers the question - why?

      1. NordUral
        NordUral 15 December 2018 11: 30
        +1
        Boris! Pyakin correctly put everything on the shelves. I simply outlined the insignificance of these figures and their role as enemies of the country and people. And he explained their motivation and all subsequent ones in power.
        Yes, they are not Judas, they are enemies.
  28. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 15 December 2018 10: 54
    +3
    For some reason, we have people pouring public borsch, cooked by all of us and paid for by us, on the grounds that they have a soup ladle in their hands, decided that it was they who fed us.
  29. To be or not to be
    To be or not to be 15 December 2018 10: 55
    +3
    "We want to have a state apparatus as a service
    the masses of the people, and some people in this state apparatus want to turn it into
    article feeding. This is why the apparatus as a whole is fake. ""
    (And In Stalin..XII Congress of the RCP (b), "Organizational report of the Central Committee of the RCP (b)"
    v. 5 p. 207.)
    These SOME, having penetrated the power, and having spread in it and with support from beyond the hillock, have destroyed the state.
    1. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 15 December 2018 11: 01
      +2
      "" It cannot be presented in such a way that socialist forms will
      develop, crowding out the enemies of the working class, and the enemies will retreat silently,
      giving way to our progress, then we will move forward again
      forward, and they - again step back, and then "unexpectedly" all without
      exceptions social groups, both fists and the poor, both workers and
      capitalists, will find themselves "suddenly", "imperceptibly", without struggle and troubles, in the bosom
      socialist society. There are no such tales and cannot be at all, in
      the dictatorship of the proletariat - in particular.
      It never happened and never will be that obsolete classes are surrendered voluntarily
      their positions, not trying to organize resistance. It never happened and never will be
      in order to advance the working class towards socialism in a class society
      could do without struggle and anxiety. On the contrary, advancing towards socialism
      cannot but lead to the resistance of the exploiting elements to this
      advancement, and the resistance of the exploiters cannot but lead to the inevitable
      exacerbation of the class struggle.
      That is why it is impossible to lull the working class with talk of secondary
      the role of the class struggle. "
      And V Stalin ("On Industrialization and the Grain Problem" v.11 p.171.)
      1. rayruav
        rayruav 15 December 2018 12: 09
        0
        hamlet! everything is correctly said, only we did not have the dictatorship of the proletariat, but there was a dictatorship of cones
  30. VRF
    VRF 15 December 2018 11: 18
    0
    Do not judge strictly, maybe someone wrote below - the reanimation of capitalism took place precisely under Khrushchev, when the concept of profitability of production was returned and a change of concepts was made when communism began to be measured materially: for everyone in an apartment, car, sausage stick ..
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 15 December 2018 11: 39
      +2
      Do not judge strictly, maybe someone wrote below - the reanimation of capitalism took place precisely under Khrushchev, when the concept of profitability of production was returned and a change of concepts was made when communism began to be measured materially: for everyone in an apartment, car, sausage stick ..


      Ruslan! The profitability of production was not returned by the Khrushchev, but the profitability of production was distorted by Stalin. Socialism profitability has not been canceled, as such. Only under Stalin was it healthy, determined by the quantity of a marketable product, and not by the weight and price categories introduced by the horsetail. And he destroyed the Stalinist system of encouraging innovations and technological progress by introducing equalizing wages.
      1. VRF
        VRF 15 December 2018 11: 40
        +1
        I know, I just tried to set out in a more accessible language. good
    2. rayruav
      rayruav 15 December 2018 12: 04
      0
      wrf! I don’t know how about the machines (99,9 percent on the site, I think they have them and are not going to refuse), but as for the apartment and sticks of sausage, how do you propose to exist?
      1. VRF
        VRF 16 December 2018 00: 09
        0
        Honest, do you even understand what this is about?
  31. Alexander Barinov
    Alexander Barinov 15 December 2018 11: 28
    +1
    The destruction of the Union occurred following a referendum on the territory of the ex-Ukrainian SSR on December 1, 1991. More than 75% of the voters of the future Ukraine * voted for "independent, happy and living life", shifting all the debts and problems of the Union onto the shoulders of the Peoples of Russia. Truth is ignored by Edrom and VV Putin
    1. igor67
      igor67 15 December 2018 17: 59
      0
      Quote: Alexander Barinov

      The destruction of the Union occurred as a result of a referendum in the territory of the ex-USSR from

      in the 90th year, Lithuania declared independence
  32. Turist1996
    Turist1996 15 December 2018 11: 45
    0
    Although the author often "drowns" for "Russian civilization", in this article he is mostly right!
    Well or so: I agree with him!
    Therefore, definitely - a plus !!!
    And the conclusions about the "beads" are very correct !!
  33. wooja
    wooja 15 December 2018 12: 22
    -1
    It wasn’t even a loss, the USSR was just a civilization project, Communism is nothing more than a part of this project ... but the coexistence of two civilizations is very - problematic, the Soviet leadership was simply unprepared for the construction of civilization, but competitors thought faster. .. and crushed the dummies, who did not understand that they were steam locomotives (in potential), divorced the Soviet leadership as the last suckers ..., sadness ...
  34. Boozer
    Boozer 15 December 2018 12: 26
    -1
    And it all ended with the Bialowieza Agreement, where three representatives of the Slavic subjects of the USSR destroyed the Soviet Union ...
  35. turbris
    turbris 15 December 2018 12: 29
    +1
    Of course, the betrayal of the Politburo and the CPSU Central Committee, together with political, economic, national and social factors, led to the collapse of the Soviet Union. Are conclusions drawn from this tragedy? No, look at Zyuganov and Co., the same slogans about public property, about a social state, that everything should belong to the people, while of course it is not specified, and to whom specifically? Some circulated tales about the USSR are just what they are worth, it turns out it was an ideal society where everyone was full and happy, everyone enjoyed common goods, etc. Of course, there was neither corruption nor crime, there were no privileges for party and state figures, and of course there was nothing else. Now even the people who lived under the USSR are beginning to believe this, of course it was under the Soviet Union and good, which we are proud of now, but there was no ideal society, and where is it in the world?
  36. 1536
    1536 15 December 2018 12: 32
    -1
    The socialist stage of development of Russia did not work out the main thing - a solid system of power and commodity-money relations in society. The leader has gone, the way of life that this leader preached and planted has also gone. Relief regime only plunged the country into anarchy.
    Unfortunately, no lessons have been learned from this. But no one will give us a third chance to revive. And first of all our youth should think about this. Therefore, the main idea of ​​the country's development should be the retention and development of Russia's territories within its present borders and the creation of a truly powerful state with a single center, united by a single idea of ​​economic and social development of all regions, territories and people - citizens of our country. Otherwise, we can repeat the fate of the "first and second Rome". One collapsed "under the blows of the barbarians," the other because of internal strife and contradictions, fueled from the outside by the same barbarians.
  37. andrew xnumx
    andrew xnumx 15 December 2018 12: 50
    0
    And again and again we are threatened by the betrayal of the Elite! A significant part of people who occupy key positions in the economy and even in the state system openly look at the West in all matters and even follow its instructions behind the scenes. You can pay attention to the words of Gref, who was constantly in the United States, proposed to close the physics and mathematics schools, from which future talented engineers, designers, and inventors come out. By the way, Sberbank does not work with Crimea, and its database contains information on the vast majority of the country's population. The management of another bank directly refused to finance the defense project. Kudrin was in the government, who is generally an enemy of the development of the Russian economy, the military-industrial complex and most recently openly offered to obey US policy. And there are many such people holding key posts. In essence, they are agents of influence and are preparing to strike at the direction of their patron from across the ocean. Yes, actually they already carry out their malicious activities. And the healthy part of the elite does not dare to neutralize the threat to the stability of the state. And this threat is the most dangerous, since it comes from within. No enemy could ever defeat Russia. She was destroyed over and over again by the betrayal of the decaying elite. The next blow is planned, possibly for 2024.
  38. Steep dive
    Steep dive 15 December 2018 13: 32
    0
    Interesting article. The West, and the rest of the world, has been living for centuries according to established traditions. The USSR decided to break these principles of world order, but unfortunately the experiment failed, with a bang. Yes, of course, the main reason for the collapse of the Soviet system is the betrayal of the party super-bodies and the KGB. But this is the past stage. The question is different. Those who ruined the USSR are in power now. And then the policy of collapse will continue.
  39. Spine
    Spine 15 December 2018 13: 56
    -1
    And I, in principle, am glad that the USSR collapsed .. How did the "brothers" react.? negative
    How many cuts and stupidly destroyed .. Now that’s all, honestly it will be!
    We have the right to wet! Lists are there and videos too ..
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  41. srha
    srha 15 December 2018 14: 46
    +1
    "The first phase of the destruction of Soviet civilization began under Khrushchev," - hmm. Marxism, through dialectics, actually says that the process of becoming (including communism) consists of moments of emergence and transition (destruction). Let me explain with an example, a person is still a child in his formation, he is still growing (emergence), and the processes of dying are already underway, such as the death of cells, diseases, etc. (transition). So "The first phase of the destruction of Soviet civilization" (transition) began right at the moment (the emergence) of the beginning of the revolution (if there would be a women's battalion in the Winter Palace like in the movies - and maybe Zheleznyak would not have said "Guard was tired" and would have remained all power is in the Constituent One, but it has not grown together - life is more real than cinematic visions).

    In other words, the Soviet government has been mortally attacked since its inception. The most critical were 1918/19 and 1941/42, the deadly of 1991.

    And under Khrushchev, or rather (Khrushchev was not the main thing there at the beginning), a series of bureaucratic coups took place in the late 50s, and, yes, after Brezhnev’s everything turned into stagnation. But what formed the conditions and forces for these bureaucratic upheavals - the author clearly does not understand if economic development is confused with social development - if the economy developed, then the social system has degraded - after all, the upheavals generated by the forces that formed during economic development. Without an understanding of how and where these forces came from, why in the 20s and 30s these forces could not (and did try) to develop a correlation of the moments of the emergence and passage of socialism in their favor, the true answer announced in the heading does not work. There are correct phrases on the consequences of bureaucratic coups, but the truth is not revealed.
  42. UltraRed
    UltraRed 15 December 2018 15: 51
    0
    Completely, by 200%, for the idea of ​​building on earth a society free from social and economic oppression by a minority of some people of the majority of others, the elimination of alienation and the comprehensive development of the creative forces of man - communism is called - if someone does not understand ...... :)
    And I very positively (in general) evaluate the experience of the USSR ........
    BUT ........ The article caused a very painful impression ..........
    Oh-oh. -....... probably have to its write because the comment format is clearly not enough .....
    Briefly claim to the article:
    1. The objective political and economic dynamics of the development of human society, incl. and in the USSR.
    2. Even correct facts and conclusions (such as the primacy of basic problems in the USSR "from Khrushchev") are presented with subjective idealistic explanations.
    3. There is an openly false infa (although I understand that this is from ignorance, and not from malice), for example, about the beneficialness of the "Kosygin" (Liberman's? .... :)) reform for the Soviet economy and Soviet society as a whole (I mean long-term perspective), etc.

    In short, Alexander is all in your favorite key of "Gumilevism" and "Kara-Murzavshchina" (it is clear that about the "elder") ...... An attempt to "reach" E. Fromm's argumentation (although it is also not indisputable), in my opinion " not valid ".....
    It’s not in vain that critics of your articles criticize whites of all shades like flies on a certain substance ........ And besides frank demagogues and trolls, there are quite reasoned comments .......
    Question, are you sure that your articles (especially on the subject of the USSR) are effective propaganda weapons? Or the calculation for a certain sector of the audience (who finds it difficult to build competent logical connections in thought)?

    Alexander, do you accidentally have a surname under the articles that you publish here is not a derivative of the middle name? And then call, my phone has not changed, in real life we’ll talk, but I can come and visit on a motorbike .... :)

    Well, if, nevertheless, about the "root of the problems" associated with the collapse of the USSR and, more broadly, with a certain crisis of the "red project" in the world, then the main thing:
    differentiation of the main classes of modern society (including the proletariat) as a result of the deepening social division of labor, with the allocation of "subclasses" (possibly proto-classes of the future) with their own class interests against the background of a global formation crisis caused by the progressive elimination of the basic conditions of existence of the current social political formation.
    In the USSR, a number of serious superstructural factors were superimposed on this, such as:
    - a certain, historically determined mentality of the peoples of the USSR;
    - Features of socio-economic development, due to the geographic and climatic location of the country;
    - difficult foreign policy conditions of historical dynamics;
    etc. etc. including, of course, the "role of personality in history" so as not to fall into "Tolstoyism" or some other kind of historical determinism .... :)

    Who "did not understand" what I wrote (:)) - wait for the article - there I will try to "chew" in more detail ....
  43. Dmitry Bobrov
    Dmitry Bobrov 15 December 2018 16: 23
    -1
    A very correct thesis from the very beginning: the struggle was and is precisely, however pathetic it sounds, good and evil !!! And evil still dominates. But his time has passed and everyone sees it. Russia, although completely under the rule of evil, is reborn. Putin, even though you know him for whom, but on the whole is definitely for Russia. The people saw the light at the end of the tunnel and also rushed up. Who did not rush that loafer, drunk or condon. Takshta everything will be taken care of.
  44. Vladislav Unknown
    Vladislav Unknown 15 December 2018 16: 32
    -1
    Stalin was a good, good father of the people, but the world would have been seized, but he died and everyone collapsed. The nonsense of the old fart from the series under Stalin was better, because then I had a riser
  45. Victor N
    Victor N 15 December 2018 16: 35
    +3
    Life in a military town in the 50s: barracks, outhouses, lack of fuel, father rations, waiting for the delivery of bread to the store .... Library and cinema in part ... They lived poorly, but civilians envied.
  46. seacap
    seacap 15 December 2018 16: 38
    +1
    Those who killed one power and organized a robbery unprecedented in the history of mankind, the same continue to kill the Russian millennial civilization, finally solving the "Slavic question", no longer because of banal fear and greed, thoughtlessness, but purposefully and methodically competently, consciously and prudently betraying their homeland and their people.
    1. Well, how else
      Well, how else 15 December 2018 20: 39
      +1
      Cosmopolitans have no homeland. And they do not destroy "their" people.
  47. Iskander. Richard
    Iskander. Richard 15 December 2018 16: 52
    +3
    And there was not any Soviet civilization. And the Soviet people were not. There were Russians, Uzbeks, Ukrainians, Latvians. Collected by one ideology.
    1. Well, how else
      Well, how else 15 December 2018 20: 43
      +1
      So, after all, there was idiology. And now for that "not sparing his belly" ...?
  48. UltraRed
    UltraRed 15 December 2018 17: 26
    +1
    The civilization format of the development of mankind begins to prevail in conditions of stagnation in the development of productive forces, i.e. formation format ...... :)
  49. Campanella
    Campanella 15 December 2018 18: 06
    +1
    Everything is correct, the idea quietly drowned in philistinism, making the person’s desire for benefits the main thing. And the country smoothly turned into a farmyard.
  50. Astronaut
    Astronaut 15 December 2018 18: 38
    0
    I will subscribe to almost every word.
    However, the party elite was scared of this future.

    I think they were not afraid, but the mind was not enough. Khrushchev is not Stalin and not even Beria!