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Direct channel of communication with Khmeimim is now more important for the Israeli Air Force

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On the eve, according to media reports, the Russian and Israeli soldiers agreed on the format of using a direct communication channel between Hmeimim Air Force Base in Syria and the Israeli command center of the air force. It was noted that only the timely use of this channel will help to avoid tragedies and other incidents in the airspace of Syria and on the approaches to it.


Direct channel of communication with Khmeimim is now more important for the Israeli Air Force


Against this background, the Israeli media stated that the “hot line” by the Israeli command was “always used in a timely manner”. In the case of the tragedy that befell the crew of the Russian IL-20, according to the Israeli side, the Russian military base was warned about the start of the operation of the Israeli Air Force more than an hour before the C-200 SAR air strike on the Russian Federation Air Force. Recall that the Russian Ministry of Defense accused Israeli pilots of provocation, due to the fact that one of the F-16 deliberately went for IL-20 while Syrians were using their air defense system. In addition, the Russian defense ministry notes that the start of the operation sent a signal to the special line from the Israeli command just a few minutes before the tragedy.

In general, each of the parties remains in its opinion. However, in Israel they do not hide the fact that now the situation for the IDF Air Force has seriously changed. And these changes are primarily associated with the appearance of the Russian anti-aircraft missile systems C-300 by the Syrian air defense forces. This is despite the fact that recently enough notes from the series could be seen in the Israeli press: “no C-300 will be able to prevent the Israeli Air Force from performing tasks related to the Iranian military presence in Syria.”

Russian experts note that there was an arrival of the Israeli delegation to Moscow, and not vice versa: the Russian - to Israel. This fact suggests that now the use of the very direct line of communication between the military of the two countries (a direct contract with Hmeimim) becomes more important for the Israeli Air Force. For obvious reasons, no one in the Israeli government wants to face a situation where the Syrians will shoot down an Israeli plane during attacks on Syrian territory from his side. Indeed, as a result of this, Israeli pilots may die.

In fact, it is now in the interests of the Israeli command to warn Russian colleagues about an air operation in order not to get the tragic result of “contact” with Syrian calculations of air defense systems, which by definition should be engaged in protecting their air borders.
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  1. BAI
    BAI 13 December 2018 10: 05
    +10
    no one in the Israeli government wants to face the situation when the Syrians knock down an Israeli plane during attacks on Syrian territory.

    This will be the end of the export of this aircraft. As a product, its value will be zero. Here the States are more interested.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 13 December 2018 10: 12
      -13
      Or the end of S-300 exports. They are vulnerable just like the Israeli F-16s.
      Russia is also not interested in such a result. Therefore, peaceful contacts are useful to both parties. good drinks
      1. rayruav
        rayruav 13 December 2018 10: 14
        +12
        yes it’s clear that everyone is afraid of both yours and ours
        1. cniza
          cniza 13 December 2018 10: 20
          +9
          Quote: voyaka uh
          . Therefore, peaceful contacts are useful to both parties. good drinks


          It has always been useful to everyone.
        2. Kent0001
          Kent0001 13 December 2018 12: 13
          +1
          What are you really? then there’s nothing to get angry, but you have to sit quietly, well, if you are still afraid, then?
      2. Tusv
        Tusv 13 December 2018 10: 17
        +6
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Or the end of S-300 exports.

        Yesterday we talked about this with Aron. C-300 is and so far with the Russian officers. So sit quietly on the pope. Better put up with Palestine. VKS gives you a full carte blanche
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 13 December 2018 12: 23
          -17
          Quote: Tusv

          Yesterday we talked about this with Aron. C-300 is and so far with the Russian officers. So sit quietly on the pope. Better put up with Palestine. VKS gives you a full carte blanche

          You might think this is the first Russian officers in the BV.
          In general, until you and Ukraine again become friends, do not teach us how to live.
          1. Trol_2
            Trol_2 15 December 2018 01: 45
            +1
            Offer us to be friends with Bandera? Who operated in "Babi Yar" and Mogilev ... Themselves seem to have become friends with them. https://vk.com/photo102290147_456239663
      3. Andrey Chistyakov
        Andrey Chistyakov 13 December 2018 10: 18
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Or the end of S-300 exports. They are vulnerable just like the Israeli F-16s.
        Russia is also not interested in such a result. Therefore, peaceful contacts are useful to both parties. good drinks

        Yeah. Why then put the S-300 ?!
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 13 December 2018 11: 09
          +1
          Missiles for the S-200 are no longer produced. And they are nearing Syria’s air defense. And the S-300 in Russia is decommissioned and replaced with the S-400. It is logical that the S-300 began to be delivered to Russia's allies and other customers.
          1. Andrey Chistyakov
            Andrey Chistyakov 13 December 2018 11: 14
            +4
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Missiles for the S-200 are no longer produced. And they are nearing Syria’s air defense. And the S-300 in Russia is decommissioned and replaced with the S-400. It is logical that the S-300 began to be delivered to Russia's allies and other customers.

            Israel was against it. Did not know or how?
      4. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 13 December 2018 10: 34
        +12
        Israel is one of the few countries in the world where preliminary state censorship exists and where for the first time in history after Nazi Germany there is a ministry of state propaganda.

        Therefore, it is futile to argue with our Jewish opponents, all of their references to their sources of Jewish factual coverage have been filtered and cleaned up for the good of the promised land! negative
        1. IAF
          IAF 13 December 2018 10: 50
          -20
          Quote: Major Yurik
          Israel is one of the few countries in the world where preliminary state censorship exists and where for the first time in history after Nazi Germany there is a ministry of state propaganda.

          Therefore, it is futile to argue with our Jewish opponents, all of their references to their sources of Jewish factual coverage have been filtered and cleaned up for the good of the promised land! negative

          Only by the freedom of speech rating of Israel at 100! points ahead of the Russian Federation. It does not somehow fit into censorship.
          1. Killemall
            Killemall 13 December 2018 11: 05
            +19
            Sorry, I’m embarrassed to ask, whose rating is this?
            1. Major Yurik
              Major Yurik 13 December 2018 11: 28
              +13
              Quote: KilleMall
              Sorry, I’m embarrassed to ask, whose rating is this?

              Ministry of State Propaganda of Israel! laughing
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          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 13 December 2018 13: 11
            -1
            There is military censorship in Israel, of course. Otherwise, the press is anti-government a priori.
      5. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 13 December 2018 10: 38
        +7
        Quote: voyaka uh

        Or the end of S-300 exports. They are vulnerable just like the Israeli F-16s.

        And are you 100% sure of that? Do you believe that the S-300 complex, which is in position, is not protected by anything? Naive.
        Anyway, who gave you the right to strike at Syrian territory? Or is everything possible for the Jews based on their exclusivity?
      6. XXXIII
        XXXIII 13 December 2018 11: 05
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Or the end of S-300 exports. They are vulnerable just like the Israeli F-16s.
        Russia is also not interested in such a result. therefore peaceful contacts useful to both parties. good drinks

        The contacts are as peaceful as before, they were afraid of nothing, the S-300 is not at all dangerous, its own .... smile
      7. Livonetc
        Livonetc 13 December 2018 11: 09
        0
        And the beginning of a serious increase in commercial supplies of C400.
      8. Kent0001
        Kent0001 13 December 2018 12: 12
        +5
        Listen, warrior, it was your fault that our servicemen died - this is for reference, and then everything else. It’s a pity that Russia is not the USSR, otherwise your flymen and from the bases could not fly high.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 13 December 2018 12: 18
          -6
          Quote: Kent0001
          Listen, warrior, it was your fault that our servicemen died - this is for reference, and then everything else. It’s a pity that Russia is not the USSR, otherwise your flymen and from the bases could not fly high.

          We believe that your pilots died due to the fault of your ground services and lack of coordination with the Syrians, and the "blood libel" of your Defense Ministry is due to the desire of your generals to cover their own ass and avoid responsibility.
          1. Misha Honest
            Misha Honest 13 December 2018 13: 15
            +5
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            your MO's "blood libel" stems from the desire of your generals to cover their own ass and avoid responsibility.

            You're partly right about covering your ass. Only this does not change the fact that your "genius squadron commander" decided to hide behind our plane. Interestingly, and if it was a Pin-do-ssky reconnaissance plane, would yours be covered in the same way?
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 13 December 2018 13: 59
              -4
              Quote: Misha Honest
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              your MO's "blood libel" stems from the desire of your generals to cover their own ass and avoid responsibility.

              You're partly right about covering your ass. Only this does not change the fact that your "genius squadron commander" decided to hide behind our plane. Interestingly, and if it was a Pin-do-ssky reconnaissance plane, would yours be covered in the same way?

              The F-16 took cover behind the reconnaissance from the S-200 - this is the biggest stupid thing I've heard.
              S-200 beats in speed, range and angle. If the F-16 is located more than 100 meters from Il, and along Konashenkov it was a few kilometers from the reconnaissance, then the angle is already different. Let's say slowed down. Let's say the Syrians did not shoot at range. The corner still remains - that is, where is the hide and seek here? The radar seeker is guided by the guidance beam, neither the size nor the temperature of the aircraft plays any role. In order to hit Ilu, it was necessary to spot two targets at the same time, which required a special talent, because IL and F-16 look completely different on radar.
              In addition, what, 13 minutes after a successful attack, do the F-16 comezka at a large, unsafe height with entry into the SAR air defense strike zone ?? As a rule, after the attack, everyone goes down, on the smallest and rushes home in full steam. The story is far-fetched, Russian specialists spit on it ...
              1. Misha Honest
                Misha Honest 13 December 2018 15: 42
                +2
                If you accept your version of the events, it turns out that either the Syrians fired specifically at our plane. Or it turns out that the F-16 shot down our plane. Since you, as you say, deny cover or an accident, did I understand correctly?
                Quote: Krasnodar
                IL and F-16 look completely different on radars

                By the way, do not a few F-16s (there were 3 or 4 of them like that) not shine on the radar as one big target?
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 13 December 2018 15: 50
                  -4
                  1) I will say what I think. There are two options:
                  The Israelis used electronic warfare, probably before the "hill" to attack and, most likely, after the attack, to go to the smallest. Perhaps, by such a label, it was lupanuli, and the IL fell into the backlight beam.
                  The second option is more banal - Il was mistaken for a jammer and lupanuli, glad that at least they saw something. I don’t think about the deliberate actions of the Syrians. About the intentional actions of the F-16 - too.
                  2) I do not think that 4 F-16s look like the only target on the radar.
                  1. Misha Honest
                    Misha Honest 13 December 2018 15: 59
                    +2
                    Quote: Krasnodar

                    1) I will say what I think. There are two options:
                    The Israelis used electronic warfare, probably before the "hill" to attack and, most likely, after the attack, to go to the smallest. Perhaps, by such a label, it was lupanuli, and the IL fell into the backlight beam.
                    The second option is more banal - Il was mistaken for a jammer and lupanuli, glad that at least they saw something. I don’t think about the deliberate actions of the Syrians. About the intentional actions of the F-16 - too.

                    Honestly, such a hit is more a miracle (in the sense that the chance is almost zero ...) looks like it. recourse
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    2) I do not think that 4 F-16s look like one target on the radar

                    Well, the Americans confused the Japanese with their bombers on the radar during a raid on Pearl Harbor ... And do not say that the radars were old then ... The technology is the same, only the sensitivity has slightly improved. At least the S-125 and S-200 request
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 13 December 2018 16: 04
                      -4
                      What hit? From a distance of + -100 km of the S-200 m on a large airplane? Yes, in my opinion, it was a miracle to miss.
                      The fact that the Amers who did not have combat experience confused the Japanese with their own in 1941 is not surprising. The Syrians in 82nd from S-125, EMNIP, fired on a flock of cranes. What is something incomprehensible? How to distinguish a turboprop airplane on a radar from 4 jet flying in tight formation?
                      1. Misha Honest
                        Misha Honest 13 December 2018 16: 10
                        +3
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        The Syrians in 82nd from S-125, EMNIP, fired on a flock of cranes.

                        Then it is clear. I didn’t know about it ...
              2. Killemall
                Killemall 13 December 2018 21: 51
                +2
                yeah, expert ... we certainly don’t remember how the Ukrainian 5V28 lost the target and instead aimed at the passenger TU-154.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 13 December 2018 22: 22
                  -5
                  Because the Tu 154 flew into the beam of guidance, or the Ukrainians captured the plane with the beam along with the target, and she immediately went to a larger signature. On its own, the S-200 missile in the air is not redirected.
                  1. Killemall
                    Killemall 13 December 2018 22: 43
                    +1
                    On its own, the S-200 missile in the air is not redirected.

                    yes ... and that is true ...
                    in the case of the Black Sea, the capture of the Tu-154 most likely took place, because the distance to the target was 28 km, and Tu was at a distance of 300.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 13 December 2018 22: 48
                      -4
                      When a ray captures two, say, objects, then the rocket initially goes to a larger signature and this is logical, because in this case, the use of traps, the rocket will go to the plane.
            2. Trol_2
              Trol_2 15 December 2018 02: 00
              0
              Duc Americans and bungled this setup. And among the Israelis there are not many fools, and everyone understood how it could end. But since Israel is completely dependent on the United States, they cannot refuse them. And I had to take a chance, maybe ... It didn't carry over. Ha ha ha !!! I wanted to write instead of the word Americans the common word "p_n ___ s"! The auto editor leaves only the last letter "s". I tried it several times ... So soon the word Negro will not be allowed to write.
          2. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 13 December 2018 13: 40
            +4
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            We believe that your pilots died due to the fault of your ground services and lack of coordination with the Syrians

            naturally. and what else do you consider? The US is sure that the Japanese are to blame for the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
            1. MKPU-115
              MKPU-115 13 December 2018 15: 18
              +4
              Quote: SanichSan
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              We believe that your pilots died due to the fault of your ground services and lack of coordination with the Syrians

              naturally. and what else do you consider? The US is sure that the Japanese are to blame for the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

              According to recent polls in Japan, some Japanese have already stated that the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was carried out by Russia (not the USSR), namely Russia.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 13 December 2018 15: 36
                -3
                Quote: MKPU-115
                According to recent polls in Japan, some Japanese have already stated that the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was carried out by Russia (not the USSR), namely Russia.

                More, plz
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          1. Trol_2
            Trol_2 15 December 2018 02: 21
            +1
            Do not carry garbage. The IL-20 route was regular. Which is what the United States tracked. And then they carefully provided the Israelites with a lure in the form of a target on Iranian bases. Strongly indicating the time. IL-20 flew to itself as usual. When the crew saw the whole movement, he immediately crumpled the route and turned to land. All transcripts of conversations and locators were provided. It was necessary for them to fly further, for Israeli planes.
      9. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 13 December 2018 13: 10
        +3
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Or the end of S-300 exports. They are vulnerable just like the Israeli F-16s.
        Russia is also not interested in such a result.

        Vulnerable from the ground. But for this they have a security perimeter. But even the F-35 will not help you from the air ...
      10. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 13 December 2018 13: 38
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Or the end of S-300 exports.

        Well, for now, the United States is afraid to transfer the F-35 contractual provisions to Turkey, and Russia clearly adheres to its agreements on the supply of C400.
        IMHO it is obvious who is afraid of the joint exercises of this air defense and aircraft wink
      11. Halado Romane
        Halado Romane 13 December 2018 18: 01
        +4
        Peace is generally better than war. However, it is the Jews who are going to Moscow and it is not a secret for anyone that it is the Jews who have long sought such contacts. So, who needs this, the first question is not worth it. Of course vulnerable and C 300. In general, any technique is vulnerable. It’s just that the Jews are very well aware that they will have to bury themselves from the sky regularly. Here is their race and hid away.
        1. Halado Romane
          Halado Romane 13 December 2018 19: 19
          +4
          Right! Total ambition left for quiet cons!
        2. Yeah
          Yeah 14 December 2018 07: 55
          0
          I completely agree with you, but it is more interesting to me that the children of the promised land offered us that we would forget about our ...
      12. Polkanov
        Polkanov 13 December 2018 20: 29
        +2
        ... C300 is a kosher product, do not hesitate ...
      13. APASUS
        APASUS 13 December 2018 21: 24
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh

        Or the end of S-300 exports.

        S-300s are no longer manufactured, which means I don’t export. Deliveries to Syria were from the existing air defense units with replacement for the S-400.
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Therefore, peaceful contacts are useful to both parties.

        Peaceful contacts are useful to all parties and not even participating in battles, but you have only military and advisers with specific functions coming to Russia. Is this what peaceful contacts are for you?
    2. Machito
      Machito 13 December 2018 10: 15
      +6
      It seems that F-35 banned flights in Syria. It's a pity if they hit an expensive plane. But reputation losses are even worse: S-300 advertising, F-35 anti-advertising.
      1. cniza
        cniza 13 December 2018 10: 21
        +3
        We can only guess, but something is happening for sure.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 13 December 2018 10: 29
        -4
        "It looks like the F-35 has been banned from flying ..." /////
        -----
        F-35s recently bombed a pro-Iranian Shiite police camp in eastern Syria.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 13 December 2018 10: 37
          +5
          Quote: voyaka uh
          F-35s recently bombed a pro-Iranian Shiite police camp in eastern Syria.

          Yeah. In eastern Syria, the Shiite police are very close by, and Hizbala can finally stand on one leg because there is nowhere to enter the second leg. You yourself believe in your words
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 13 December 2018 13: 14
            -4
            Quote: Tusv
            Quote: voyaka uh
            F-35s recently bombed a pro-Iranian Shiite police camp in eastern Syria.

            Yeah. In eastern Syria, the Shiite police are very close by, and Hizbala can finally stand on one leg because there is nowhere to enter the second leg. You yourself believe in your words

            Hezbollah, Fatimune, Zaynabyun, the IRGC .. little?
        2. Machito
          Machito 13 December 2018 10: 51
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          "It looks like the F-35 has been banned from flying ..." /////
          -----
          F-35s recently bombed a pro-Iranian Shiite police camp in eastern Syria.

          Is there an S-300 in eastern Syria? Israeli planes bomb where there is no air defense.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 13 December 2018 11: 04
            0
            Israeli planes bombed loads from an Iranian plane at a military airfield in Damascus just a week ago. There, the density of air defense is one of the highest in the world. And it worked.
            1. Machito
              Machito 13 December 2018 11: 14
              +5
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Israeli planes bombed loads from an Iranian plane at a military airfield in Damascus just a week ago. There, the density of air defense is one of the highest in the world. And it worked.

              Well, what is it proud of?
              The fact that Israel is bombing Syria defeated by the civil war? It's like a drunken sick patient powerless old homeless with a baseball bat.
              If you are so brave, declare war on Iran, and do not beat stealthily, like cowardly youngsters.
            2. Alexey-74
              Alexey-74 13 December 2018 11: 17
              +3
              The fact that you weren’t shot down is not the fault of the air defense, but some agreements.
            3. Tusv
              Tusv 13 December 2018 11: 29
              -1
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Israeli planes bombed loads from an Iranian plane at a military airfield in Damascus just a week ago. There, the density of air defense is one of the highest in the world. And it worked.

              Some say they bombed, others that shot down. Ours, that there was a raid and FSE. Not you killed or wounded, as usual Our media say To whom to believe Lech?
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 13 December 2018 11: 36
                -3
                Quote: Tusv

                Some say they bombed, others that shot down. Who to trust then Lech?

                No one.
        3. XXXIII
          XXXIII 13 December 2018 10: 52
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          "It looks like the F-35 has been banned from flying ..." /////
          -----
          F-35s recently bombed a pro-Iranian Shiite police camp in eastern Syria.

          Where is the official source of this information ??? or time?
        4. Halado Romane
          Halado Romane 13 December 2018 19: 21
          +3
          Is that what you learned from the Israeli media?
    3. Egorovich
      Egorovich 13 December 2018 10: 16
      +11
      The Jews will still substitute, well, they can not honestly fulfill contracts, a priori can not.
      1. cniza
        cniza 13 December 2018 10: 22
        +1
        Life will force and not everything will be done.
      2. Tusv
        Tusv 13 December 2018 10: 29
        +4
        Quote: Egorovich
        Well, they can’t honestly fulfill the contracts, a priori they can’t.

        They do not know how, by science, they cannot by force. Ancient folk military wisdom, widely distributed in the Russian troops hi
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 13 December 2018 13: 32
          -5
          Quote: Tusv
          Quote: Egorovich
          Well, they can’t honestly fulfill the contracts, a priori they can’t.

          They do not know how, by science, they cannot by force. Ancient folk military wisdom, widely distributed in the Russian troops hi

          Forcing Israel to do anything by military means is very problematic today. the quantitative and qualitative composition of the Jewish Armed Forces is quite solid and modern.
          Here you need a whole combination of factors, such as:
          1) Systematic attacks on the Israeli rear
          2) Disproportionately large losses of their own civilians, widely covered in the Western media
          3) Sensitive losses caused by the IDF
          4) Economic leverage
          That is, the first and second can be achieved by shelling from Gaza and Lebanon, and firing should be carried out, as usual, and from residential areas. Israeli rivals more important than success
          Point three requires the entry of Jewish ground forces into Gaza, Lebanon and Syria - otherwise the loss of the IDF will be tolerable.
          Point Four requires the involvement of the countries of the European Union, the United States and the developed countries of Asia. Most likely, only China will be able to agree on this, which is not critical for Israel. There may be some pressure from the European Union, but things will not come to full-scale sanctions.
          Therefore, the event of forcing the Jews to do anything military requires quite serious tension from the diplomatic corps and the financing of terrorist groups. The purely military force of the regular troops is impossible to accomplish.
      3. Pimply
        Pimply 13 December 2018 14: 08
        -1
        Quote: Egorovich

        The Jews will still substitute, well, they can not honestly fulfill contracts, a priori can not.

        With you can argue Egypt and Jordan for example
  2. Hto tama
    Hto tama 13 December 2018 10: 07
    +6
    Anyway, nothing but provocations should be expected from them. No.
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 December 2018 10: 23
      +2
      It is quite, but not necessary, how their big brother will behave.
      1. Hto tama
        Hto tama 13 December 2018 10: 31
        +1
        Their big brother is always in favor, all the more so now. The tension is growing, a big confrontation begins. The other thing is more interesting, namely where it will explode. The Matrauses more and more need a war, and preferably a big one. what
        1. cniza
          cniza 13 December 2018 10: 45
          +1
          It’s yes more, but not the world one, they don’t know how to organize it yet, all the scenarios lead to the world one and the last one, and this holds them back, but for now.
          1. Hto tama
            Hto tama 13 December 2018 22: 00
            +1
            I am not sure that they do not know how to organize. There are no problems with the organization, the problem is that the remnants of sane people are "for now" against. The question is that there are fewer sane people left. You know, I agree with our propagandists from TV that the elites of the West are degenerating, it's easier according to Zadornov, they are stupid. I agree with Sheinin (1st channel) on this issue, they do not have a genetic memory of the war, we are afraid, so ??? I do not presume to speak for the entire American society, but the elites, they have degenerated ... you look at their faces, or rather their expressions, this is the Cabinet of Curiosities hi
  3. XXXIII
    XXXIII 13 December 2018 10: 09
    +1
    It is noted that only the timely use of this channel will avoid tragedies and other incidents in Syrian airspace and on approaches to it.

    Israel will not have time to warn in time about its planes in the sky, which means they will be shot down. That is exactly what the question was probably posed with an edge. Now Israel needs to speak on time, otherwise it will be an unpleasant situation. Let now risk their intractability and pride .... hi
  4. Hypersound
    Hypersound 13 December 2018 10: 11
    +3
    Let them apologize and pay compensation to the relatives of the victims and Russia for the plane
    1. irazum
      irazum 13 December 2018 10: 18
      -11
      Does Assad have money?
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 13 December 2018 10: 25
        +2
        Quote: irazum
        Does Assad have money?

        At the moment, We have money for the disposal of marmots. And Assad or another will have to
        1. irazum
          irazum 13 December 2018 10: 31
          -1
          Will we write off the debts, as usual? For me, as a taxpayer and a citizen of the Russian Federation, it would be better for this money to be "written off" for health care, education, and retirement accounts of Russians.
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 13 December 2018 10: 42
            -2
            Quote: irazum
            And debts, as usual, write off?
            So, penalties and part of the interest are written off in exchange for preferences, and no one writes off the debt body, since the time of the rich Pinocchio Yeltsin
      2. Hypersound
        Hypersound 13 December 2018 11: 15
        0
        Speech, of course, about Israel
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 13 December 2018 10: 21
      -12
      Mossad can kidnap the Syrian major who launched the rocket into a huge slow-moving Il-20, and bring it to court in Russia.
      Interview him yourself and determine his sentence.
      1. Altona
        Altona 13 December 2018 10: 35
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Mossad can kidnap the Syrian major who launched the rocket into a huge slow-moving Il-20, and bring it to court in Russia.

        -----------------------
        Lesha, Brezhnev promised you a nuclear strike on Tel Aviv, if that? Wait.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 13 December 2018 10: 42
          0
          Duc ... Brezhnev is dead? belay
          1. Altona
            Altona 13 December 2018 10: 43
            +4
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Duc ... Brezhnev is dead?

            --------------------
            So what? laughing
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 13 December 2018 10: 45
              -1
              I agree. Died Schummer ... if only he were healthy. drinks laughing
          2. irazum
            irazum 13 December 2018 10: 50
            0
            Is resurrected? Holy, holy ...
          3. Altona
            Altona 13 December 2018 10: 56
            +7
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Duc ... Brezhnev is dead?

            ------------------
            Duc Brezhnev and the Jews let go home, to Israel, in the sense. And you are still afraid to see him. laughing laughing
            PS Whoever puts a minus is a Jew. tongue
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 13 December 2018 10: 59
              +1
              I put you two pluses for posts about Brezhnev. good
              You are a miracle!
            2. irazum
              irazum 13 December 2018 11: 30
              0
              And who is the plus? That Assad?
              1. Altona
                Altona 13 December 2018 12: 19
                +1
                Quote: irazum
                And who is the plus? That Assad?

                ------------------------
                He is against the Israeli military. laughing
        2. rayruav
          rayruav 13 December 2018 12: 34
          0
          that I don’t remember such
    3. rayruav
      rayruav 13 December 2018 10: 24
      +1
      they didn’t shoot down, and if the qualification of our Syrian friends does not allow, let our operators sit
  5. Guru
    Guru 13 December 2018 10: 13
    +1
    warn Russian colleagues about one or another air operation so as not to get tragic for themselves the result of "contact" with the Syrian air defense calculations
    And what if they warned, then the Syrians will not shoot them down? Or will we again rub ourselves and bend like with the Su24?
    1. rayruav
      rayruav 13 December 2018 10: 27
      +1
      wiping has become our outwardly political brand, one pleases our swans over the Caribbean
  6. akims
    akims 13 December 2018 10: 15
    +2
    What is this talking about? The fact that Israel, as it bombed, will continue to bomb the territory of Syria. But now under the control of Russia. It has become much easier ...
  7. Andrey Chistyakov
    Andrey Chistyakov 13 December 2018 10: 16
    0
    Well, then faith is still no Israel. Let them fly and look back ...
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 13 December 2018 10: 22
    +1
    Yes, at least ten arrivals and arrivals!
    Anyway, this ..... well, how would I say, Schaub was not removed from the discussion again?
    These guys, with a pei-pe-hairstyle like that, are vengeful without measure.
    Of course, I’ll see what will happen and how, and then I will speak out about all the negotiators, from one side and the other!
    The text is ready, because everything is clear and true!
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 December 2018 10: 22
    +2
    In general, each of the parties remains at its own opinion.
    Which is natural, because Israel will never plead guilty. They are used to the fact that they have every right to act exclusively as they are profitable and necessary, and nothing else. And therefore, it is impossible to exclude another incident in the sky of Syria. The fact that they flew to Moscow for negotiations indicates a desire to exclude the possibility of their losses, but with attacks on Syrian territory. Let's see what happens.
  10. taiga2018
    taiga2018 13 December 2018 10: 24
    0
    how interesting it was for the "chosen of God" to go to bow to Moscow, because they used to bow only in Washington ...
  11. Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 13 December 2018 10: 27
    0
    The catch is not visible ... But! He is!
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 13 December 2018 13: 02
      +1
      As in a joke:
      The trainer leads the crocodile to the circus, who plays the piano, and the kangaroo sings arias.
      Checked - class!
      The director of the circus paid a substantial advance and asks: "The catch is not visible ... But! He is!"
      Trainer: "Okay, I'll split ... the crocodile plays and sings. But the kangaroo only opens its mouth to the beat." laughing
  12. Professor
    Professor 13 December 2018 10: 32
    -7
    Russian experts note that there was an arrival of the Israeli delegation to Moscow, and not vice versa: the Russian - to Israel. This fact suggests that now the use of the very direct line of communication between the military of the two countries (a direct contract with Hmeimim) becomes more important for the Israeli Air Force. For obvious reasons, no one in the Israeli government wants to face a situation where the Syrians will shoot down an Israeli plane during attacks on Syrian territory from his side. Indeed, as a result of this, Israeli pilots may die.

    Of course. The Russian delegation would not have come to Israel even if it was a question of the life of the 1000 Russian military. After all, it is not a good thing for a great country to be so humble.
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 13 December 2018 10: 44
      +4
      [quote = professor] Indeed, as a result of this, Israeli pilots may die.

      Of course. The Russian delegation would not have come to Israel even if it was a question of the life of 1000 Russian military. After all, it’s worthless for a great country to be so humiliated.
      [/ Quote]
      ===
      give up, shekels and power, and not the possible death of Israeli pilots, cares your elite. however, it is not only with you
      1. Professor
        Professor 13 December 2018 13: 46
        -3
        Quote: Victorio
        give up, shekels and power, and not the possible death of Israeli pilots, cares your elite. however, it is not only with you

        Do not judge others by yourself. Look better as Defense Minister Lieberman recently abandoned shekels and power.

        Quote: Tusv
        Well, so, the other day you are on a visit to us with a petition, not We to you

        I have already written and will repeat. If our prime minister or any general can save the life of even one of our soldiers by crawling on his stomach in Moscow or elsewhere, then I will only be glad. For this we Bibi and chose. You do not understand this. Yours is the one who came to whom, and not how many lives of your soldiers were saved.

        Quote: XXXIII
        Why are you making up some kind of garbage here, this is a standard protocol of meetings, this is not a recording of conversations in private. There is a whole museum of such photos with a trolley, but this does not prevent you from breaking agreements and pretending to be "ostriches" ...

        The fact is that yours didn’t even think of a delegation to equip to Israel. But it was your officers who died, not ours. Does it bother you that this could happen again?
        1. Victorio
          Victorio 13 December 2018 16: 03
          +2
          Quote: Professor
          Do not judge others by yourself. Look better as Defense Minister Lieberman recently abandoned shekels and power.

          ====
          so you don’t judge by yourself, the whole world dances according to your fucking rules, worshiping the golden calf
          1. Professor
            Professor 13 December 2018 19: 38
            0
            Quote: Victorio
            Quote: Professor
            Do not judge others by yourself. Look better as Defense Minister Lieberman recently abandoned shekels and power.

            ====
            so you don’t judge by yourself, the whole world dances according to your fucking rules, worshiping the golden calf

            Is this about our Bible? So think up your God for yourself, write yourself your Holy Scripture and go. Nobody bothers you.
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 13 December 2018 10: 56
      +2
      Quote: Professor
      Of course. The Russian delegation would not have come to Israel even if it was a question of the life of the 1000 Russian military. After all, it is not a good thing for a great country to be so humble.

      Wow. Today, as many as two. And then we were angry yesterday why one Aron puffed hi
      Well, so, the other day you are on a visit to us with a petition, not We to you hi
      Just in case, I put a plus for both
    3. XXXIII
      XXXIII 13 December 2018 11: 00
      0
      Quote: Professor
      Of course. The Russian delegation would not have come to Israel even if it was a question of the life of the 1000 Russian military. After all, it is not a good thing for a great country to be so humble.

      Why are you making up some kind of garbage here, this is a standard protocol of meetings, this is not a recording of conversations in private. There is a whole museum of such photos with a trolley, but this does not prevent you from breaking agreements and pretending to be "ostriches" ...
      1. Guru
        Guru 13 December 2018 12: 31
        +3
        XXXIII (Vladimir)
        pretend to be "ostriches" ....
        This is probably a head in the sand and I'm not me, and the priest is not mine.
        DANGEROUS non ostrich being wassat
  13. Altona
    Altona 13 December 2018 10: 34
    +3
    So it is necessary to establish a very simple rule that "airborne objects, whose presence in the sky is not declared one hour (or better, 4 hours) before the flight, will go astray without warning." And there is no need to shaggy grandmother here. It is quite a democratic measure. And here we are democrats, here we are patriots, here we are humanists, here we wrap up fish.
  14. IAF
    IAF 13 December 2018 10: 36
    -1
    Quote: taiga2018
    how interesting it was for the "chosen of God" to go to bow to Moscow, because they used to bow only in Washington ...

    Some of your slavish perceptions of interstate relations. I suspect this mentality makes itself felt. Get well.
  15. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 13 December 2018 10: 38
    0
    The channel is definitely needed. At least in order for the war to end in Syria as quickly as possible. Then other people's planes in the sky will stop flying and air defense in their own thrash, and the cost of all this bodyagi will be reduced. But Israel should still compensate Russia for the loss of the Il-20, payments to the families of the dead crew. Otherwise, the whole thing seems to be unpunished.
    1. Altona
      Altona 13 December 2018 10: 45
      +3
      Quote: Corsair0304
      But Israel should still compensate Russia for the loss of IL-20, payments to the families of the dead crew. Otherwise, the whole thing seems to be unpunished.

      -------------------------
      Well, here you need either a court decision or a guilty plea ... Who will do such a thing?
    2. Professor
      Professor 13 December 2018 10: 48
      -8
      Quote: Corsair0304
      But Israel should still compensate Russia for the loss of IL-20, payments to the families of the dead crew. Otherwise, the whole thing seems to be unpunished.

      Why on earth? Il shot down your ally asad, sent him under fire your flight director. Ask them.
      IMHO, the topic of compensation will never be raised by the Russian side, otherwise it will be necessary to present not cartoons and fairy tales about the fire on board, but material evidence. And with this, the Russian side was very tense. It’s not that the decryption of the black boxes was not shown to us, but they didn’t even show a single fragment of the plane.
      1. XXXIII
        XXXIII 13 December 2018 11: 11
        -1
        Quote: Professor
        Why on earth? Il shot down your ally asad, sent him under fire your flight director. Ask them.

        Just stick out your allied "snobel", there will be a flight director for you and ask them yourself, take a chance, they are waiting there for your brother as a dear guest .... In the name of our friendship, find a couple of F-16s there .... smile
      2. Guru
        Guru 13 December 2018 12: 45
        +2
        Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
        We are not that the decryption of the black boxes was not shown, but not even a single fragment of the plane was presented
        And what did you do off-request? If they did, then your media would probably have trumpeted it, but you don’t have to use the debris.
        1. Professor
          Professor 13 December 2018 13: 36
          -1
          Quote: Guru
          Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
          We are not that the decryption of the black boxes was not shown, but not even a single fragment of the plane was presented
          And what did you do off-request? If they did, then your media would probably have trumpeted it, but you don’t have to use the debris.

          Have you, Russian taxpayers, been shown the wreckage? Maybe shooting from the funeral of the crew? Decryption of recorders? Anything?

          Ours acted wisely without getting involved in public polemics with your MO and letting it save face in front of your audience. This is what made it possible to establish contacts.
  16. Forest
    Forest 13 December 2018 11: 37
    +1
    And how much ostentatious pathos was and so quickly accepted the conditions of the Israelis, they did not even ask for compensation. Loud statements - the circus, and wandering.
  17. Jacques
    Jacques 13 December 2018 12: 02
    +1
    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
    Anyway, who gave you the right to strike at Syrian territory? Or is everything possible for the Jews based on their exclusivity?


    Israel and Syria have long been at war.
  18. rayruav
    rayruav 13 December 2018 12: 21
    +1
    I’m just wondering how these people would speak when they knew that a Nurs from an adjacent territory could fall on their child’s head
  19. rayruav
    rayruav 13 December 2018 12: 29
    +3
    where you actually came to the tan or the war, you can’t provide security and cover for sorties, but as far as I understand, there is every sortie sortie
  20. IAF
    IAF 13 December 2018 12: 43
    -5
    Quote: Bearded
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Israeli planes bombed loads from an Iranian plane at a military airfield in Damascus just a week ago. There, the density of air defense is one of the highest in the world. And it worked.

    Well, what is it proud of?
    The fact that Israel is bombing Syria defeated by the civil war? It's like a drunken sick patient powerless old homeless with a baseball bat.
    If you are so brave, declare war on Iran, and do not beat stealthily, like cowardly youngsters.

    Well, yes, about how to enter the Crimea in the most difficult time for Ukraine without identification marks and trumpet "nastamnetu" to the whole world. Not at all on the sly. I’m already silent about the east of Ukraine, there, too, everything is not surreptitiously and have you declared war on Ukraine too?)))
    1. XiaoTou
      XiaoTou 13 December 2018 13: 16
      +1
      yes, you are a mentally undeveloped person .... would you say this to all your compatriots who lost loved ones in WWII from fascism am burn you for it
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    3. VVK_VDB
      VVK_VDB 13 December 2018 22: 17
      +2
      And you do not create "hard" times. And do not say that it happened by chance - they flogged Svidomo for 25 years.
  21. IAF
    IAF 13 December 2018 13: 08
    0
    Quote: Guru
    Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
    We are not that the decryption of the black boxes was not shown, but not even a single fragment of the plane was presented
    And what did you do off-request? If they did, then your media would probably have trumpeted it, but you don’t have to use the debris.

    Petya wanted to hit Vasya, while drunk Petya brandished his fists, Vasya went home, and in the face he got Misha, who came to Vasya's place. Question. Why is Vasya an X-ray of Misha’s broken nose?
  22. K-50
    K-50 13 December 2018 13: 55
    -3
    according to the Israeli side, the Russian military base was warned about the start of the Israeli Air Force operation more than an hour before the erroneous attack of the S-200 SAR on the aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

    When they always shamelessly lie. They themselves said before that one minute before the strike there was a warning. Now their own words have changed.
    In general, believing a Jew is like entering a cow "cake" .. negative
    1. zlinn
      zlinn 13 December 2018 14: 27
      +4
      In addition to the RF Ministry of Defense, no one spoke about one minute more
  23. IAF
    IAF 13 December 2018 15: 20
    -1
    Quote: K-50
    according to the Israeli side, the Russian military base was warned about the start of the Israeli Air Force operation more than an hour before the erroneous attack of the S-200 SAR on the aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

    When they always shamelessly lie. They themselves said before that one minute before the strike there was a warning. Now their own words have changed.
    In general, believing a Jew is like entering a cow "cake" .. negative

    Who, besides your MO, was talking about a minute? For example, after taking pictures of a Ukrainian fighter jet that shot down a Boeing over the Donbass, your MO will never believe in my life ... A blatantly egregious attempt to deceive.
    1. arnulla
      arnulla 13 December 2018 15: 33
      -2
      Ha ..)) as if you are the standard who should be trusted)) Correct the cocked hat, it slides ...
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    3. Strategia
      Strategia 13 December 2018 20: 04
      +1
      Yes, no one believes you for almost 2000 years after you sold and betrayed Christ on the death of the cross!
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  25. IAF
    IAF 13 December 2018 16: 15
    -1
    Quote: arnulla
    Ha ..)) as if you are the standard who should be trusted)) Correct the cocked hat, it slides ...

    We are in the standards and do not rush like. I'm more interested in what for the pictures were faked if the Russian Federation was not involved in Boeing. This causes some suspicion ...
  26. IAF
    IAF 13 December 2018 16: 18
    0
    Quote: XiaoTou
    yes, you are a mentally undeveloped person .... would you say this to all your compatriots who lost loved ones in WWII from fascism am burn you for it

    But you shouldn’t lose your sense of tact; I don’t be rude to you, it seems. If you have nothing to answer on the merits, you'd better just shut up.
  27. forest park 86
    forest park 86 13 December 2018 16: 28
    +3
    Quote: Aaron Zawi

    We believe that your pilots died due to the fault of your ground services and lack of coordination with the Syrians, and the "blood libel" of your Defense Ministry is due to the desire of your generals to cover their own ass and avoid responsibility.

    That's right, but our escort aircraft should have been only next to our IL. And they themselves are to blame, as well as with SU24.
  28. vitvit123
    vitvit123 13 December 2018 17: 27
    0
    Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
    Israel was against it. Did not know or how?

    Like these comments. Not always quickly figure out what to answer.
  29. Polkanov
    Polkanov 13 December 2018 20: 30
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    "It looks like the F-35 has been banned from flying ..." /////
    -----
    F-35s recently bombed a pro-Iranian Shiite police camp in eastern Syria.

    ... a fake to help you.
  30. Polkanov
    Polkanov 13 December 2018 20: 31
    0
    Quote: IAF
    Quote: Bearded
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Israeli planes bombed loads from an Iranian plane at a military airfield in Damascus just a week ago. There, the density of air defense is one of the highest in the world. And it worked.

    Well, what is it proud of?
    The fact that Israel is bombing Syria defeated by the civil war? It's like a drunken sick patient powerless old homeless with a baseball bat.
    If you are so brave, declare war on Iran, and do not beat stealthily, like cowardly youngsters.

    Well, yes, about how to enter the Crimea in the most difficult time for Ukraine without identification marks and trumpet "nastamnetu" to the whole world. Not at all on the sly. I’m already silent about the east of Ukraine, there, too, everything is not surreptitiously and have you declared war on Ukraine too?)))

    ... keep quiet - for the clever one ...
  31. Polkanov
    Polkanov 13 December 2018 20: 32
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Corsair0304
    But Israel should still compensate Russia for the loss of IL-20, payments to the families of the dead crew. Otherwise, the whole thing seems to be unpunished.

    Why on earth? Il shot down your ally asad, sent him under fire your flight director. Ask them.
    IMHO, the topic of compensation will never be raised by the Russian side, otherwise it will be necessary to present not cartoons and fairy tales about the fire on board, but material evidence. And with this, the Russian side was very tense. It’s not that the decryption of the black boxes was not shown to us, but they didn’t even show a single fragment of the plane.

    ... you can only show a fig.
  32. VVK_VDB
    VVK_VDB 13 December 2018 22: 14
    -3
    Well, in general, Israel is given the go-ahead. Which of ours is next?
  33. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 14 December 2018 14: 14
    0
    In fact, it is now in the interests of the Israeli command to warn Russian colleagues about an air operation in order not to get the tragic result of “contact” with Syrian calculations of air defense systems, which by definition should be engaged in protecting their air borders.

    They should not warn, but ask permission to strike, because otherwise they will be lost not only by Syrian calculations, but also ours. :: soldier
  34. IAF
    IAF 14 December 2018 15: 38
    -2
    Quote: Vlad5307
    In fact, it is now in the interests of the Israeli command to warn Russian colleagues about an air operation in order not to get the tragic result of “contact” with Syrian calculations of air defense systems, which by definition should be engaged in protecting their air borders.

    They should not warn, but ask permission to strike, because otherwise they will be lost not only by Syrian calculations, but also ours. :: soldier

    Well, this is aggression towards Israel with all the consequences. I am afraid in this case, within 15 minutes from the Russian group in Syria, horns and legs will remain.