Smaller, more powerful and more efficient. Radio photon locators

89
The latest to date breakthrough in the field of radar took place several decades ago and was provided with active phased antenna arrays. In recent years, there is a need for a new breakthrough, and science already has the necessary groundwork. Further development of radar systems is associated with the development and application of the so-called. radiophoton locators. This concept offers a significant restructuring of the radar, due to which a significant increase in all the main characteristics can be obtained.

According to published data, radiophotonic radar can show certain advantages over the "traditional". Due to the increase in efficiency, it is possible to increase the range of the review and accuracy of target tracking. There is also the possibility of a simplified identification of the detected target. Prospective stations should be reduced in size, which gives new features layout. However, obtaining practically significant results in a new area is still a matter of the distant future.



Prospective projects

The concept of a radio-photon locator has been discussed at the theoretical level for the past several years, but until a certain time there was no further talk. The situation has changed relatively recently: since the end of 2016, Russian scientific organizations began to regularly talk about new research and the development of promising projects. Recent reports of radiophotonic radar stations appeared just a few weeks ago.



At the very end of 2016, the Russian Foundation for Advanced Study for the first time presented a model of a radiophoton receiving-transmitting module and a broadband emitter for a radically new radar. The prototype sample used VHF waves and was able to show remarkable characteristics. Thus, the range resolution has reached 1 m - such indicators are unattainable for the "traditional" radar of the same range.

Further work was continued. As it became known later, Concern Radioelectronic Technologies (KRET) is taking part in a promising program. In July, 2017, on the development of radiophotonic radars, was told by Advisor to the First Deputy General Director of KRET, Vladimir Mikheev. He revealed some technical details of the whole concept and the new project, and also spoke about current work and plans for the near future.

By that time, an experimental model of a new radar was developed at the KRET for use on future sixth generation fighter aircraft. As part of the research work, the main components of the locator were built. With their help, the necessary studies were carried out, with the help of which it was planned to find the optimal design options. The creation of a full-scale prototype of a radio-optical photon antenna array was also carried out. This sample was needed to refine the appearance and characteristics of future serial equipment.

In parallel with the study of the general aspects of the new project, the search for optimal designs of individual radar elements was carried out. Such works affected the emitter, the so-called. photonic crystal, receiving path and other components of the station. In the future, all these works will have to lead to the emergence of full-fledged workable samples suitable for mounting on media.

In July, 2018, it became known that the concern "RTI" also deals with the subject of radiophoton locators. It was reported that by the end of this year, the organization plans to complete a research project to create a model of a new X-band radar station. The developed product is intended for use on tactical flight combat aircraft. In this case, as in the case of the KRET project, it is not only about designing a radar station, but also about mastering the release of its individual components.

According to July news, Concern "RTI" managed to launch the country's first technological line for the production of so-called. vertically emitting lasers. Such devices are one of the main components of the radiophotonic radar and directly affect its characteristics and capabilities. Thus, the Russian industry gets the opportunity in the near future to establish production of promising stations.

The group's management also spoke about plans for the foreseeable future. The enterprise "RTI" will develop the achieved success and intends to create new versions of radio photon radar. First of all, it is planned to create new stations operating in the K, Ka and Q bands. In addition, it is necessary to reduce the dimensions of the products, so that new types of ultra-wideband radar should appear.

At the end of November, the RTI group again spoke about its work on a promising project. An experimental model of the radar station was made, with the help of which the specialists carried out the necessary checks. While the existing station does not have high performance, and in addition, has a lot of restrictions on operation. Nevertheless, work under the project continues, and in the future, the promising radar will get rid of the identified problems, which will allow it to reach operation.

Laser instead of semiconductor

The proposed concept of a radiophotonic radar or radio-optical photonic antenna array offers the rejection of the traditional components of the locator in favor of new, allowing to obtain enhanced performance. Modern radar stations generate electromagnetic radiation using electrovacuum or semiconductor devices. The efficiency of such devices does not exceed 30-40 percent. Accordingly, about two thirds of the electricity is converted into heat and is wasted. The radio photon station should use other means of signal generation, providing a sharp increase in efficiency.

As early as last year, V. Mikheev, talking about the new development of KRET, pointed out the main features of promising stations. The main innovation of the proposed projects is to replace semiconductor or lamp devices with a transmitter based on a coherent laser and a special photonic crystal. The laser radiation with the required characteristics is sent to the crystal, which converts it into electromagnetic waves. The efficiency of such a transmitter should exceed 60-70 percent. Thus, the new emitter is approximately twice as efficient as the traditional one.

Other open sources allow you to form a more complete picture. Radar equipment responsible for issuing, receiving and processing signals should control the laser, determining its power, modulation and other radiation parameters. The use of optical equipment, which transmits a signal through an optical fiber, makes it possible to obtain some gain in the speed of the systems in comparison with other equipment and wiring. In addition, as shown by the experiments, the emitter based on a laser and a photonic crystal converts more energy into electromagnetic waves than other devices.

In theory, the radiophoton architecture of the locator allows you to dramatically increase the working ranges and create a station of ultra-wideband class. Due to this promising radar is able to take on the tasks of several traditional systems of different ranges. In addition, it provides increased noise immunity and stability with active electronic countermeasures from the enemy.

It was mentioned earlier that an ultra-wideband station is not only resistant to interference, but can itself create them. High-power transmitter with the ability to work in different bands is able to assume the role of jammer. The full realization of such a potential of the radar can reduce the composition of the on-board EW equipment or even abandon other equipment of such purpose altogether. This leads to savings in mass and volume inside the carrier.

Finally, the radio-photon radar is smaller and lighter than existing counterparts. First of all, it facilitates the solution of layout issues when creating the station's carrier technology. In addition, it becomes possible to equip one combat vehicle with several radar stations at once or with one such device with a set of antennas distributed over the surface. Similar locators are already used in aviation, and new designs are unlikely to be left idle.

Increased performance and the ability to work in different ranges should lead to new characteristic features. So, last year V. Mikheev told that a radar of a new type would be able not only to determine the location of a target, but also to compose its exact image suitable for identification. For example, the station will be able to determine the coordinates of the air target, calculate the type of aircraft detected, and then recognize which missiles are suspended under its wing.

Radar and their carriers

It is obvious that a new direction is being worked out with a specific goal, and the development of the radar station is directly related to specific classes of military equipment. Theoretically, radio photon stations can be used in all areas where radar systems of traditional classes are already used. According to reports of recent years, Russian specialists have already chosen the scope of application for the first systems of the new class. They are created for military aviation, and not only for aircraft.

Earlier it was reported that the project radiophotonic radar from the Concern "Radio-electronic technology" is being developed in the context of the next sixth generation fighter. In KRET rightly believe that such aircraft should have a set of various means of detection, operating in different ranges and using a wide range of principles of location. Together with other systems, the future fighter must also have a radio-optical photon antenna array. In this case, it is possible to use several antenna devices distributed over the entire surface of the airframe and providing a circular view of the space.

Similar principles have already been implemented in the modern design of the fifth-generation fighter Su-57, and they should be developed when creating the next generation. Probably, by the time the main research and development work on promising radar is completed, the aviation industry will be ready to begin developing fundamentally new fighters.

The Concern "RTI" is also developing its projects with an eye on military aviation, however, it is of interest to another sector. Perspective locators may have reduced dimensions and mass, which may be of interest to designers of unmanned aerial vehicles. The first samples of ultralight and small-sized radiophoton stations for UAVs are planned to be created in the next few years.

The emergence of new means of observation and detection should have a great influence on the further development of unmanned aircraft. Dimensions and mass of modern aircraft radar limit the range of their carriers, in fact, excluding from it the existing and prospective domestic UAVs. With the appearance of light and compact radiophotonic radar situation will have to change.

Thanks to this, the army will be able to obtain medium or heavy aircraft capable of reconnaissance or piloting not only with the help of optoelectronic means. The positive consequences of the appearance of such UAVs are obvious. UAVs with high-performance radars can be used in a variety of areas, from reconnaissance to search and destruction of designated targets.

Whether promising radars will be introduced in land technology has not yet been clarified. The new equipment can be used in stationary and mobile locators, on anti-aircraft systems and in other areas. However, while the representatives of the domestic industry did not talk about the possibility of using radiophotonic radars outside of aviation.

The future issue

According to the news of recent years, several leading enterprises of the Russian radio-electronic industry are conducting research and development in a new direction. Several prototypes of various components of advanced radar stations have already been completed and tested, and taking into account the data obtained, the following products are being developed. The developers of the equipment in the face of concerns KRET and "RTI" have decided on their plans and continue to develop projects with clear objectives in the context of the development of our military equipment.

However, current projects are complex, which affects the timing of their implementation. Thus, the concern "RTI" plans to complete the development of practical radar in the next few years. KRET, in turn, creates its own project with an eye to the sixth generation of fighters. Thus, the appearance of ready-made new radiophoton locators suitable for operation on equipment is a matter of a medium or distant future.

However, the expected timing of the appearance of promising equipment is not a problem. Our industry and the army already have highly efficient modern radar stations capable of solving all the assigned tasks. With their help, the army will be able to have all the required capabilities up to the emergence of fundamentally new systems. In addition, one can hardly expect that the appearance of radiophoton stations will lead to a halt in the development of “traditional” systems. Thus, in the future, the troops will be able to receive in time all the necessary detection systems, both mastered and fundamentally new.

On the materials of the sites:
http://tass.ru/
http://ria.ru/
http://tvzvezda.ru/
https://vz.ru/
https://fpi.defence.ru/
http://arms-expo.ru/
Our news channels

Subscribe and stay up to date with the latest news and the most important events of the day.

89 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. +2
    13 December 2018 06: 48
    There are a lot of letters, but I didn’t see the specifics, no data or tables, it is interesting to me first of all as a techie, but there is nothing here, it’s very unfortunate, although this has a great future. Thank you.
    1. +2
      13 December 2018 07: 51
      Quote: merkava-2bet

      There are a lot of letters, but I didn’t see the specifics, no data or tables, it is interesting to me first of all as a techie, but there is nothing here, it’s very unfortunate, although this has a great future. Thank you.

      Do not you think that this kind of information is classified under secret? Why would you post the real characteristics of promising samples here? However, you have requests ... stop
      1. +4
        13 December 2018 10: 58
        Then what is the sacred meaning of the article?
        Karma to farm?
        1. +3
          13 December 2018 19: 24
          Quote: thekhohol
          Then what is the sacred meaning of the article? Karma to farm?

          ===========
          If TODAY Russia - CAN Come forward in "microphotonics" - it will not be just a BREAKTHROUGH !!!! It will be GIANT Step forward!!! Where is the "West" in the role of "catching up" !!! For this - no need to spare money !! Train SPECIALISTS, "invest" in the FUTURE !!!
          For the sake of THIS - and you can "be patient" for a while !!! IT - THAT - WORTH!!!!
      2. +4
        14 December 2018 17: 49
        Quote: Hammer
        Is this kind of information kept secret?

        "Let it be hard to believe a fresh donation." The entire history of radar and electronic intelligence is associated with technology theft. And absolutely everyone is doing this. Suffice it to recall the espionage epics on the creation of a magnetron, an antenna RF switch, ultra-wideband signals, etc. It’s amazing that a film about industrial espionage hasn’t been made yet.
        Thus, the Russian counterintelligence continues the tradition when Soviet developments were patented in the West and American and British scientists made history, the whole task of which was to repeat the stolen inventions. And with secrecy, they clearly did not bother.
    2. +2
      13 December 2018 07: 59
      By chance I witnessed, near one of these research institutes, ordinary seemingly laconic men loaded an uncle into an unremarkable car, who was clearly the same "interested techie")))
      1. +1
        13 December 2018 18: 57
        We are not talking about specific samples, but about the experienced and the general technical side. After this read article, I climbed into Tyrnet, and received an order of magnitude more information, with tables, diagrams and figures.
    3. +16
      13 December 2018 13: 41
      Quote: merkava-2bet
      Many letters,

      SEO text analysis
      Total characters:> 13080 (many letters)
      Spam: 57%
      Water: 11%
      Quote: merkava-2bet
      but I didn’t see the specifics, no data or tables

      It's not about tables and specifics.
      The author simply does not understand (from the word at all) what it is about. Even the photo of the BRLK H036 Squirrel (for PAK FA at MAKS-2009), which for some reason uploaded the article with AFAR. AFAR, but not ROFAR fool
      Fundamentally so (although this is not for radar, but essentially the same thing):
      Beam Forming BOTTOM for radar with headlamp-based Opto-VLSI processor to obtain broadband beam control


      In metal, they are also "the cat cried" while
      Photo of the RF interface of the ROFAR system for receiving a signal, consisting of a set of Vivaldi antennas (1 × 8) using optical conversion with increasing modulator frequency:

      Quote: Author
      The efficiency of such devices does not exceed 30-40 percent. Accordingly, about two-thirds of the electricity is converted into heat and wasted. The radio photon station must use other means of signal generation, providing a sharp increase in efficiency.

      Just the same ...
      What does the author mean by efficiency? HEZ !!!
      Base:
      η = (Psl − Ploss) / Psl = 1 − Ploss / Psl = Psp / Psl

      η - Coefficient of performance, efficiency
      Rotd - Remote power, i.e. useful or effective power equal to the supplied power minus the power of losses,
      P-sub - summed power, also called rated, drive or indicator power

      According to this postulate (the basic principle of our world) ROFAR efficiency will be WORSE, Lower than that of a "simple" radar.
      Tk
      Laser efficiency (wall-plug efficiency) 25% efficiency achieved (for laser systems diode pumped).
      Those. instead of directly converting lipestrism in a semiconductor to radar radiation (40-60%), we add an appendix of 0,25% overcoming electric power to laser radiation, and then we convert the laser radiation into radar radiation: 0,40 * 0,25 = 0,1 , 10 (XNUMX%)
      bingo?
      But not everything is so bad (kpld), of course:
      1. The author, just forgot to clarify which efficiency and chalk due
      η1 - efficiency of the antenna-waveguide path of the transmitter;
      η2 - efficiency of the receiving antenna-waveguide path;
      ηа ^ (E, H) -resulting efficiency of the antenna system;
      ?
      efficiency they are different
      2.Opto-VLSI based on a beam shaper for radio-frequency phased antenna arrays allow, for example, to "do" as follows: Each phase hologram (manipulation of phase, amplitude, direction) allows you to select (use) a certain laser wavelength (carrier) for each antenna element, thus synthesizing the beam profile that corresponds to a given scenario of radar beam control

      Example: the generated wavelength difference of 1 nm allows the fixture to realize a delay of 42 picoseconds between adjacent antenna elements.
      3. It allows you to widely increase / decrease the level of side lobes, "play" with these parasites, and use them somewhere, well, as it is implemented on the F-35 on-board radar (right-left = comparison), only several times more efficient, using the generated tunable length laser waves, change the width of the beam line, etc.
      4. Use the radar method for a multi-beam model of EMW propagation (using underlying, and indeed other parasitic surfaces) and obtain data about the target on the receiving path, without showing its location, without responding to the interference that the target sets
      Nav pic: 2-ray model, if on yellow, then you can "take out" the brain of the F-22 and he will not know where his opponent is. and if by 2m (remove the red cross) or more, then we get a pseudo spaced radar.

      Approx. all this is present in a typical radar, but all of this (underlying surface, the influence of clouds, raindrops, etc.) are "parasites"

      and here you can use it to good.
      Of course, my reasoning is primitive, but I hope at least something helped
      Quote: Hammer
      Do not you think that this kind of information is classified under secret?

      Secretly, this is concretency.
      And in the article "the seventh water on jelly", and so "over the hill" they publish a lot more, and nothing.
      1. -2
        13 December 2018 16: 31
        There is a lot of garbage in such information. There are a lot of aspects that only lead away from the search and solving positive results. It is impossible to say that this is not necessary either. However, no breakthrough solutions can be expected in this direction of technology development.
        1. +2
          13 December 2018 16: 52
          Quote: gridasov

          There is a lot of garbage in such information. There are a lot of aspects that only lead away from the search and solving positive results. It is impossible to say that this is not necessary either. However, no breakthrough solutions can be expected in this direction of technology development.

          in a similar post (yours) one garbage + 30% water

          Are you a bot
          1. 0
            13 December 2018 17: 01
            The question is not who I am or you. And this is your logic of reasoning. This is the binary logic of reasoning because you view everything through the polarity of concepts, good or bad. The task is to get the result. In general, how can one solve problems without an alternative. Without understanding what limits or promotes development, etc. More practicality would not hurt you. And then immediately the question of who you are and then the answer for yourself is Bot.
            1. +1
              13 December 2018 17: 04
              Just understand that it is one thing to have a permanent magnet or crystal, and it’s another thing to have a way to transform the process by simple methods, but to much higher levels of energy density.
              1. +1
                13 December 2018 17: 21
                Quote: gridasov
                Just understand that having a permanent magnet or crystal is one thing.


                Yes, I got it
                Some aspects of human behavior, reminiscent of those of certain domestic animals in the presence of the latter on the stalks of cereal plants, naturally dried.

                The condition for the survival of a biological individual is its movement along a curved, closed path.

                In order to avoid negative consequences, biological individuals should not carry out instant emissions of secretions of external secretion glands with a velocity vector opposite to the air flow vector.

                Despite the fact that the curvature of the water surface above the place where the highest pressure of the medium at the bottom of the reservoir is relatively small, it is possible that there are creatures that only remotely resemble humans.
          2. +4
            13 December 2018 22: 06
            Strongly do not scold Gridasov. It’s boring without him.
      2. 0
        14 December 2018 00: 33
        Quote: Aibolit
        Of course, my reasoning is primitive, but I hope at least something helped

        Thank you, lucidly and convincingly.
        That's just the question: What to do with clouds, drizzle, sols and suspensions on the battlefield? As far as I can remember, the laser has attenuation coefficients ...
        Space is another matter, but the atmosphere ....
        Therefore, as the manager of Bunsch's house said, “Vague doubts torment me ...” (c).
        1. 0
          14 December 2018 11: 53
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          And what to do with clouds, drizzle, sols and suspensions on the battlefield? As far as I remember, the laser has attenuation coefficients ...

          But what does the scanning radar beam do with the above? Error handling, spurious interference, etc.
          YOU are probably, like most, confusing! The word "optical" (ROFAR) is misleading!
          1. Laser beam does not locate an object (target)it makes the EM wave, the same as in the radar
          2. The ray of the lizard, getting on the crystal, generates oscillations in a crystal (special medium, radio-optical solitron), the crystal emits an EM pulse (wave), the same as in the radar, it is fed to the transmitter (emitter) and goes into space
          3. Everything is the same as in the radar (see diagram), only instead of the GZI laser, instead of the Mod-crystal, instead of MG-Opto-Sis ...


          Well, there’s a lot more different there, because it's a CAR anyway
          1. 0
            16 December 2018 10: 20
            Quote: Aibolit
            Error handling, spurious interference ...
            Thanks again for chewing ...
            But the location of the EC, I think, will be possible if the "packet" of EME is emitted, since Microwaves quickly fade and are reflected from clouds and other "inhomogeneities" of the air ... I actually mean it.
            And for patience and a clear explanation once again a huge MERCI!
      3. 0
        15 December 2018 11: 32
        Thank you, very good technology review! But why didn’t they take the path of fewer transformations - with a maser as an irradiator, without nonlinear crystals and lasers?
        1. 0
          15 December 2018 12: 01
          Quote: vadimtt
          But why didn’t they take the path of fewer transformations - with a maser as an irradiator, without nonlinear crystals and lasers?

          microwave amplification by stimulated emission of radiation- "amplification of microwaves using stimulated radiation"
          SO MASER THIS is the general name of the quantum amplifier and quantum generator super high frequency (microwave).
          With some stretch, the entire ROFAR design can be called a maser (highly specialized): generation, modulation, radiation (then reception, finally) microwaves (radio waves) using laser radiation.

          modern masers are gas emitters and they use hydrogen atoms as a working fluid. Such masers consist of a large number of complex and rather expensive parts, and their value can reach several hundred thousand dollars.

          cheaper solid-state emitters were unsuccessful: such devices required special working conditions, such as, for example, a temperature close to absolute zero, vacuum, or a certain value of the magnetic field.

          Only now work is underway on TTI from crystals of organic matter - a compound of two hydrocarbons, pentacene and terphenyl, capable of working at room temperature.

          or

          Diamond in a single-crystal sapphire ring - a dielectric resonator concentrating microwave energy, when irradiated with a green laser (wavelength 532 nm). The optical pumping of NV centers in the presence of an external magnetic field created an inversion of the population of energy levels, which is required for reaching the maser mode of radiation at room temperature.
          1. +1
            15 December 2018 12: 25
            Thank you for such a popular enlightenment, because I was stuck in the times (more than a quarter of a century ago) when I personally poured nitrogen into my resonator shirt while simultaneously inhaling ammonia amber. wink Moreover, this was not the topic of radar, but the fight against it.
      4. +2
        15 December 2018 13: 45
        Thank you for the clarification.
        The article is really "empty".
      5. 0
        25 December 2018 04: 59
        Aybolit! You are good at looking for information on the Internet and no more ... Judging by your slang ("regarding efficiency, parasitic surfaces, treatment from a parasitic surface, etc.") and the materials given, you are not an expert in the field of radar ... Be so kind, what determines the resolution of 1m on the VHF range of radar with Rofar ??? I do not deliberately write what! Answer me on this question?
        1. 0
          26 December 2018 23: 48
          Quote: SETTGF
          You know how to search for information on the Internet and no more.

          1. Forgive me ... and you CAN DO WHAT? mmm. Kovtunit? Why are you stuck? Well this is not Tarkhan about neutron ammunition to "treat"?
          2. "intrenet" is a great thing CTRL + C, then CTRL + V, and ..., and you don't have to bother poking your keyboard
          Quote: SETTGF
          your slang

          do I need to "endure the brain" of the immature souls of the topvar?
          Quote: SETTGF
          you are not a specialist in radar ...

          1. old, but special, I can show VUS, and I will work
          2.You, judging by the empty bullshit in 630 comments, don’t even understand xy from the EPR (EOP)
          Quote: SETTGF
          What determines the resolution of 1m in the VHF range of a radar with Rofar ???

          1. There is no ROPHARD data, I do not need ME ** b
          2.What's the question? "by the range of the RS radar"? "in azimuth"? "," weather conditions "," receiver noise figure "," antenna gain "," probe pulse duration ", etc., etc.?
          for our" ROFAR"more specifically a vyunosh!
          3. I think if I worked in
          VHF
          ROFAR then 40m
          But I think that there is VHF (VHF), and maybe 30-300 GHz / 300-3000 GHz (your brain is probed, for example)
          1. 0
            27 December 2018 02: 16
            Aybolit! Are you a dirty paranoid ... with your zero knowledge!? Well, on the Internet you didn’t find answers to my question ?, and couldn’t even answer a simple question, what resolution did I mean ?!
            According to your slang, which I indicated above - a lot is visible, and not in your favor ...
            Then you misinterpreted, as once again, about Tarkhan - he wrote nonsense about neutron munitions, if you read carefully! I’ll no longer write about your past dirt - unlike you, I don’t poke around in someone else’s underwear, trying to find something - this indicates your weakness and dishonesty ... You also took 40m from the ceiling and can’t count .. Can you explain the methods of dealing with meteorological formation ?! Or can you calculate the cell size on the antenna mirror?
            Aybolit! Regarding EOP and EPR, if you put these two concepts in one row, then this is not entirely correct, although it has taken root.
            The situation does not allow to reveal everything, if I have an empty nonsense, then you simply have plagiarism and no more.
    4. -1
      13 December 2018 19: 29
      Ahah, who are you working for? Or are you aware of all the characteristics of the F-35 or what kind of product a potential enemy is?
    5. -2
      13 December 2018 22: 24
      Quote: merkava-2bet
      There are a lot of letters, but I didn’t see the specifics, no data or tables, it is interesting to me first of all as a techie, but there is nothing here, it’s very unfortunate, although this has a great future. Thank you.

      So develop ROFAR and describe it specifically, with tables, signal processing algorithms, energy ... Business then.
      And everything will become clear to everyone at once.
  2. 0
    13 December 2018 07: 51
    Lasers, crystals - how expensive it is.
    1. +1
      13 December 2018 10: 17
      Quote: riwas
      Lasers, crystals - how expensive it is.



      Lasers are now at pointer, sold everywhere

    2. +1
      13 December 2018 13: 52
      Quote: riwas

      Lasers, crystals - how expensive it is.

      yeah
      and this

      like cheap?
      2015 Naval Air Warfare Center Aircraft Division signed a contract with Microwave Applications for the supply of 1800 ferrite RF and microwave (PPM) for the PAR (Center for Aircraft Control Center for Aircraft Control) in the amount of 10,2 million U.S.
      $ 10: 200 = 5 667 $ piece
      Note in solid state АFAR 67N6 Gamma-D / 67N6E Gamma-DE about the same PPM "just something" 1024 pieces (and I think that they cost 3 times more expensive than in America)
      Quote: bulvas
      Lasers are now at pointer, sold everywhere

      These are not the lasers.
    3. 0
      13 December 2018 15: 54
      Quote: riwas
      Lasers, crystals - how expensive it is.

      The results will be worth it. ;-))
  3. 3vs
    +2
    13 December 2018 08: 09
    Scientists give red / black caviar and chocolate so that brains can cook!
    This promises an incredible breakthrough in this area!
    Envy is a sin, but what the hell are people brains! fellow
    1. 0
      13 December 2018 08: 20
      Quote: 3vs

      Scientists give red / black caviar and chocolate so that brains can cook!

      And make sure everyone ate lunch! And sleep - from 22-00 to 6-00 and in the afternoon an hour!
      1. AUL
        +6
        13 December 2018 08: 54
        Or maybe try to pay them as deputies?
        1. 3vs
          +1
          13 December 2018 09: 05
          And in order to be paid as deputies, it is necessary to change the constitution!
        2. -1
          13 December 2018 09: 40
          Quote from AUL

          Or maybe try to pay them as deputies?

          Take automatically into the party of power and shove in the State Duma and regional parliaments (depending on the degree and real usefulness), that’s the salary and the constitution does not need to be changed only by turning it ..
          1. +1
            13 December 2018 10: 19
            Quote: mark1
            Quote from AUL

            Or maybe try to pay them as deputies?

            Take automatically into the party of power and shove in the State Duma and regional parliaments (depending on the degree and real usefulness), that’s the salary and the constitution does not need to be changed only by turning it ..



            After them, the desire to work will disappear

          2. 0
            13 December 2018 22: 58
            Quote: mark1
            Quote from AUL

            Or maybe try to pay them as deputies?

            Take automatically into the party of power and shove in the State Duma and regional parliaments (depending on the degree and real usefulness), that’s the salary and the constitution does not need to be changed only by turning it ..


            Hey Hey!!! Stop!!! Do not break what works well!
            They no longer work in these walls - they sit there ...
        3. +1
          13 December 2018 14: 49
          The salary of all should be piece-rate.
        4. -1
          13 December 2018 15: 56
          Quote from AUL
          Or maybe try to pay them as deputies?

          And the deputies should not be paid, for parasites in fact! ;-))
        5. +1
          14 December 2018 10: 45
          it is better for deputies to pay as scientists, then there will definitely not be envy.
  4. 0
    13 December 2018 08: 18
    It is very interesting, just imagine getting visual data about an object of kilometers of commercials for 500.
    1. 0
      13 December 2018 13: 55
      Quote: Gavrilabyl
      get visual data about an object kilometers of commercials for 500.

      not visual but radar.
      You can't see it "visually" in the atmosphere, and the radio horizon gets in the way ...
      And if you need "visually", then in a telescope with an aperture of 200 mm you can see, for example, 6
      NGC663 Cassiopeia Open Cluster 75x
      NGC720 Whale Galaxy 150x
      NGC752 Andromeda Open Cluster 45x
      NGC957 Perseus Open Cluster 90x
      NGC1023 Perseus Galaxy 60x

      For reference: Whale is a dwarf spheroidal galaxy in the Local Group of galaxies located approximately in 2,46 million light years from Earth.
      wink
      1. 0
        14 December 2018 01: 57
        NGC720 is not the Whale that is next to our galaxy. NGC720 is very far away and is an elliptical galaxy when our local little Whale is spherical.
        The fact is that in the sky various objects seem to be nearby, line up in lines, drawings, etc. But in fact, they can be unimaginably far from each other. So it is here. Both objects are in the constellation Ceti in our sky. But in reality, one is very far away - the galaxy NGC720, and the second is right under our nose, 2.46 light years from us. fellow feel
      2. 0
        14 December 2018 09: 43
        No, well, I know that I’m not from this world. But you’re definitely complete I. About what galaxies you powder people’s brains. Illusions of the idea that you see this is equivalent to crazy nonsense
  5. -2
    13 December 2018 08: 22
    I hope that radio-photon locators will be built into serial Su-57s, there are prerequisites for hope hi
    For skeptics: working experimental samples have been testing and refining for a couple of years, and therefore they already have at least the first generation software, and when everything is worked out they will go into series, although I want it earlier, now.
    1. 0
      13 December 2018 12: 58
      workers and experimental are two big differences, as they say in Odessa.
      Can you give a link where such a working radar is substantively described, and empty water on jelly, as in this article?
      1. +4
        13 December 2018 13: 25
        The article clearly shows that rofar does not exist.
        And when it appears, it will be a regular AFAR, but working in a larger wavelength range: from centimeter to submillimeter.
        And with a higher coefficient of efficiency due to the generation of radio waves using a laser.
        1. +4
          13 December 2018 17: 07
          NIIP at least overpower AFAR. Even the super-cool Su-35 does not have it
        2. +1
          13 December 2018 18: 35
          Quote: voyaka uh
          due to the generation of radio waves using a laser.

          This is the idea of ​​ROFAR - radio-optical antenna modules (ROAMs).
          General structure diagram of an ROAM (FOTL is fiber-optic transmission line).

          not to be confused with Phased array optics (PAO) / Excalibur
          1. +1
            13 December 2018 18: 40
            I understood this in several respects. But many here perceive rofar as a kind of miracle laser, capable of giving a television picture of an object at a distance of 400 km ...
            1. 0
              13 December 2018 18: 59
              Quote: voyaka uh
              a miracle laser capable of giving a television picture of an object at a distance of 400 km ...

              good
              There are so many antiresnas in the world. SOLITONS e.g.
              In 1985 in the study of DNA preparations, ribosomes and collagen method
              P.P. Garyaev discovered the effect of phase transitions of correlation laser spectroscopy of light scattering correlation levels. There were no exact explanations for this phenomenon then. In 1996 we obtained a similar result using another method - laser resonance spectroscopy, which allowed in addition to recording phase transitions in DNA, to detect the phenomenon of transformation of laser light correlated with them into broadband electromagnetic radiation in the radio range from kHz to MHz
              1. +1
                13 December 2018 23: 02
                And why did you write this?
                Now I won’t sleep at night, digesting what was said!
                Ah, evil you, I’ll leave you ... laughing
    2. 0
      15 December 2018 14: 05
      I hope that radio-photon locators will be built into serial Su-57s

      Yes, yes, VNEU's "working experimental samples" for non-nuclear submarines have been "tested and refined" for about 50 years.
  6. 0
    13 December 2018 08: 33
    If, on the basis of radio-photon locators, new radar homing heads are subsequently created for anti-ship missiles, air defense / missile defense missiles and air-to-air missiles, then the foe will not feel comfortable at all. Yes
    Not otherwise, aliens help Russia. what lol
  7. +2
    13 December 2018 10: 31
    Another pseudoscientific nonsense, and just zero specifics.
    What is the principle of operation of this miracle device, where at least the theoretical justification, where could such breakthrough technologies come from, from the planets of Nibiru?
    They continue to pump people with some ridiculous, unreasonable fantasies, even if they showed a cartoon.
    1. -1
      13 December 2018 13: 13
      Well, you can’t dispute that a certain architecture of equipment and principles is under development
      their work. And there are a lot of alternative solutions. First of all, starting with a crystal is always like a fixed panacea. And you need to work with a process that can possibly be increased in terms of energy density parameters. And such a replacement for the crystal can be technology. Further, the antenna itself must and can be built as a spherical shape and body. Moreover all cells, this is me in a simple form of expression, should be arranged as a fractal system. This means that these cells form group segments in terms of intensity and other work parameters. But then everything can be simplified in the mathematical principles of information processing. In general, both in the power part and in the analytical part there is still the potential of fundamental principles.
    2. +1
      13 December 2018 17: 27
      0 specifics yes. And about technology and fantasies, you're wrong. The fundamental basis for this has long existed. Want to read the details about this year's Nobel Prize in Physics (CPA) this is not about ROFAR of course, but the effect is the same.
      1. 0
        14 December 2018 09: 51
        It is impossible to dispute what is, however, this is just one of the particular solutions to the problem posed. The point is that you must first imagine what the atmosphere and space are. Only harmonize the processes that we initiate and understand what we have. from the beginning to the end. I'm talking about changing elementary devices first, which allow you to work with fractally deeper energy levels, and only then solve other problems in the algorithm. Crystals are again to the level of a dead end.
        1. 0
          15 December 2018 14: 18
          allow you to work with fractally deeper energy levels

          You know how "scientifically". It looks like you only accept an encyclopedia as toilet paper.
          And Aibolit just understands what he writes.
          1. 0
            15 December 2018 20: 37
            Who doubts? And the results are obvious. And the future is visible.
  8. +1
    13 December 2018 10: 39
    I would like to have time for the Su-57M .... But I think there are many boosters there.
    Today, Russian aviation has no modern mass AFAR, absolutely not. Either the channels of the element base were blocked, but ours did not have time to prepare R&D in advance. Either reliability, performance characteristics of components are not up to par ... Either just the factories are lacking with exclusive, specific equipment ...
    1. -1
      13 December 2018 18: 30
      Quote: Carib
      Today, Russian aviation has no modern mass AFAR, absolutely not. Either the channels of the element base were blocked, but ours did not have time to prepare R&D in advance. Either reliability, performance characteristics of components are not up to par ... Either just the factories are lacking with exclusive, specific equipment ...

      The release of such stations is a few per year, because officials did not pay in advance for equipment and laboratories. Accordingly, there is nowhere to put experiments. Existing production can be equated with experimental-technological, but not industrial. There are no opportunities for training good specialists.
      What's the trick? It is difficult for parties of accountants and lawyers to take into account research and development processes; they are not stereotyped. But it’s easier to buy ready-made - only 1 document to issue, albeit 10 times more expensive, but no responsibility.
  9. -2
    13 December 2018 10: 51
    Good article and very interesting topic.
  10. +1
    13 December 2018 12: 56
    By that time, an experimental model of the new radar was created at KRET, intended for use on future sixth generation fighter aircraft.

    there was nothing like that
    1. 0
      6 February 2019 17: 51
      Why not, back in 2018, a technology demonstrator was created.
      1. -2
        6 February 2019 22: 55
        the demonstrator is not
        experimental prototype of a new radar intended for use on future fighter aircraft

        and not even just a radar at least ...
        and try to find that this "demonstrator" has demonstrated to someone ...
        1. 0
          6 February 2019 23: 09
          As far as I remember, this message was on the KRET website, ..
          And what he demonstrated there somehow did not really sign, in any case, I was not particularly interested, realizing that it was still not quite close to something serial ...
          1. -2
            6 February 2019 23: 12
            yeah. i read. samopiar it was in muddy confusing phrases.
            "Give me more money"
            1. 0
              7 February 2019 00: 31
              Well, what else was recalled that she was still talking only about the ground version, and to push all this into the plane was far from beautiful ...
              In general, about 2-3 years ago, when it was still assumed that in the sky it would soon become crowded by the hordes of SU-50, it seems in the same KRET it was easy to say that when we put ROFAR on it, then ..., well and further pictures with sobbing NATO pilots ...
              And about the engine of the 2nd stage, also about the same time, and in the same vein, that here, that very soon ..., and he’s even now, at least a year to chase and chase ..
  11. 0
    13 December 2018 15: 31
    Wow, damn it! All such clever, even no one to send three letters!
  12. +2
    13 December 2018 17: 04
    AFAR is not in the series, but there are beautiful cartoons. How did it get.
  13. +3
    13 December 2018 17: 29
    Phenomenally. I would like to ask the author himself at least remotely understand what ROFAR is. Kirill, honestly, who are you by profession, a journalist?
  14. +4
    13 December 2018 18: 34
    in my opinion the author has no idea what he is writing about.
    To date, no radar radar does not exist, and whether they will ever be a big question
    developers are promoting and pulling money.
    in fact, this is just an attempt to circumvent the inability to create an onboard AFAR.
    Actually, this erofar differs from the usual one (for Americans, of course, the usual lol ) AFAR by the method of controlling the transceiver modules of the antenna (PPM). if conventional electronic control exists and is used, then optical control is still out of the realm of fiction.
    The Americans on the F-22 took the path of improvement - they replaced the substrate and improved cooling - doubled the radar range to 450 km, on the approach the replacement of arsenide-galium PPM with nitride-gallium ones, they allow much greater power - this is the main direction of development of airborne radars .
    And this article looks like pseudo-nonsense that developers weave, luring money.
    and frankly, some of the comments are also in certain places.
  15. 0
    13 December 2018 20: 02

    The principle of the "photon locator"
  16. +2
    13 December 2018 20: 58
    Typically empty transfusion from empty to empty
  17. -1
    13 December 2018 21: 19
    Hmm, a bunch of smart ones, but they never learned to read. It is said that it is "secret", which means that the cat cried for information. The author cited what is in open sources. He has more, yes, I think, and others do not. And they have graphics, materials, maybe a bathhouse with a red-haired girl too? Or the keys to the apartment where the money is? In addition, the author always refers to the words of the chief designer Mikheev, who also does not really say anything, so, in general terms. If you want to go to work at KRET more, only after you get there, you will not be able to say anything either.
  18. +2
    13 December 2018 22: 51
    Quote: Aibolit
    Quote: gridasov
    Just understand that having a permanent magnet or crystal is one thing.

    Yes, I got it

    Hooked the same Gridasov ... laughing
    It does not often appear, but now you will not be beaten off.
    This is not a bot. This ... I tried several times to formulate what it is, how to describe this phenomenon ...
    Probably so - an antagonistic flood-philosophizing substance with obvious claims to possess the highest KNOWLEDGE, but pouring out the Niagara flow of verbal turbidity.

    But, on the other hand, as Gridasov himself wrote here in some sort of branch, only a genius can understand a genius.
    We, apparently, have not grown up with a little mind.

    It will be a shame to realize our petty, mundane, spiteful craving for muffling "genius". Someday. May be... lol
    1. -1
      14 December 2018 10: 22
      Well, explain to me why send a scattered electronic magnetic impulse into space in order to receive something in a distorted and reflected form, we don’t know what. When you can just scan the space like a layer cake in different ranges of its energy components. At the same time, the energy of technologies that are approved by everyone here is energy-consuming, and most importantly, unbalanced energy-consuming processes. At the same time, with a simply scanned process, you can’t betray yourself. Think gentlemen. You just need to use devices to form denser energy flows - magnetic fluxes. Crystals are fixed energetics with an energy boundary potential. Although a hammer, even with a laser, you can’t create a disturbance above its potential. Above this, it’s just going to explode. completely different principles.
      1. 0
        15 December 2018 11: 35
        Are the laurels of Nikola Tesla haunting you? tongue
        1. 0
          15 December 2018 20: 40
          You see, but knowing the truth is easier than learning to be a person. Strange you, dream correctly, but do not mind
  19. -1
    13 December 2018 23: 52
    Yes, as soon as the radar with ROFAR will be installed on the Su-57, all F-22 and F-35 can be delivered at the price of non-ferrous scrap.
    1. -1
      14 December 2018 10: 40
      you have a typo. not
      once
      ,
      if ever
      hi
    2. 0
      14 December 2018 11: 29
      If only by that time they will not "rot" naturally.
      1. +1
        14 December 2018 18: 36
        Quote: Herrr
        If only by that time they will not "rot" naturally.

        Then it will be our absolute victory, exactly according to Sun Tzu - to defeat the enemy without entering into battle.
  20. 0
    14 December 2018 07: 13
    According to ROSTEKh, three years ago, 850 enterprises deal with the topic of radio photonics in Russia. It was also said that our country is one of the leaders in this field.
  21. 0
    14 December 2018 11: 52
    The number of variations in the direction of solving this scientific and technical problem can be very large. There is not even an alternative direction. Moreover, all the fundamental foundations of this work are unshakable for a very long time, which does not correspond to our development. So in nature there are no creatures applying location according to the principle imposed by the so-called specialists. All the so-called living creatures scan the space within the energy range, or rather, those electronic magnetic disturbances that are embedded in the analysis tool or the brain. In general, you must understand that in order to choose the right course of events from a huge number of variations, you need to apply the energy efficiency parameter. in words, everything should be as simple and minimized as possible in energy costs. As a conclusion, a two-vector location is absolutely not an effective direction of development
  22. -1
    14 December 2018 21: 54
    Give Su-67!
  23. 0
    3 February 2019 04: 38
    About four years ago, there was an article on ROSTEX’s website that said that Russia is a leader in photon research and that about 850 enterprises in the country deal with this topic.
  24. -1
    6 February 2019 17: 49
    Suspecting something was amiss, just in case, flipped through to the end, discovering the authors of Cyril Ryabov, did not read further - the rest of the success, I passed ...

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned), Kirill Budanov (included to the Rosfinmonitoring list of terrorists and extremists)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev Lev; Ponomarev Ilya; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; Mikhail Kasyanov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"