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From the couch - in the trench!

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The DNR Defense Ministry once again announced the imminent offensive of the Armed Forces. This time on the Mariupol direction December 14th. The military decided to use the warning from vigilant citizens about possible provocation for their own purposes. In the networks immediately clicked voices: they crush us, Ukrainian Tanks will reach Moscow!




In fact, it is hard to say why the DPR MO every few months publishes an “insider” about the enemy's imminent attack, but this happens with the 2015 of the year with frightening regularity. As the apocalyptic predictions from the Internet warriors, led by their apostle Igor Ivanovich Girkin.

Igor Ivanovich began to whine and predict a quick defeat in the second half of May. He did it with taste and skill. He complained about the lack of ammunition and the fact that in Slavyansk there is only one “Nona” from the technology. Then, when the defeat by Igor Ivanovich announced by his efforts partially took place, and half of the Donbass was occupied by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the only “Nona” left Slavyansk in several groups (with one armored group donated supposedly to cover the retreat), and the missing BC, gadfly and other useful things were very pleased Ukrainians, when they entered the city. All this good was not even properly mined. The author observed these marvelous events not through a computer monitor, but from a trench, as part of one of the units subordinate to Strelkov.

After Girkin was safely cleaned out to Russia, the field marshal, who was losing popularity, continued to predict a quick victory for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the “surrender” of New Russia, and just in case, Syria. Soon he had a whole galaxy of comrades and imitators, who announce the imminent catastrophe (with exact dates) even more often than in Donetsk they announce the imminent offensive.

At one time or another, this whole Gyrkian clak visited LDNR or somehow came into contact with local authorities (we have ministers, it was time, they changed like condoms), communicate with friends in the republics. Thanks to information about local realities, as well as not sickly knowledge of military art, often drawn from World of tanks, they chronically confuse the minds of people sympathizing with the cause of Novorossia, and even worse, those who live or fight on its territory.

Seductive activity: to draw epic pictures of the collapse of armies - nostrils pleasantly tickles the smell of imaginary blood and powder smoke, adrenaline is injected into the blood ... Excellent for digestion and popularity growth in social networks with subsequent successful monetization.

The only problem is that behind every fantasy, behind the defeatist mood lies a man who scored on the republic and went to build summer cottages in the Moscow region. This is a soldier who did not extend the contract, not because the service seized him (and she’s really seized up with us and requires unwful nerves), but because he was told by “reputable” people that we’re all dead here day after day as a result of betrayal. This is a volunteer who has ceased to go about his business, because all the same Putinsil # and "Russia betrayed."

Russia, which "treacherously" rebuilds schools, kindergartens and hospitals of Donbass. He is trying to gain sense from headless parochial officials and helps revive the industry. Which breaks in fabulous sums to support the local population and to create at least some kind of social protection. And it does this and much, much more, of course, with a dream and hope, then all this “betray”, “merge” and give it to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which, in the opinion of particularly frantic network strategists, can even drag their tanks to Red Square, where "Arkasha Babchenko will lie on them".

Yes, there are many problems in the republics and they are being solved too slowly. We are full of corruption, traitors, hidden enemies, alarmists and just fools. There are many difficult problems in the army and the government that regularly rolls into clowning. In general, a lot of bad, vicious and problem, as is usual not only in the state of new formations, but also in well-established powers.

The whole question is that in 2014, we didn’t even have this tumor with all its advantages and disadvantages. And there were karamultuki and three horns, each full of confusion and even more vague prospects. But nothing. No Novorussia merged. Contrary to the alarmists and the defeatists, despite all evil spirits, monetizing the war in the Donbas by all convenient methods.

And if tomorrow it will be necessary to return to the trenches again, the entire sleepy kingdom will instantly stir up and go to war with songs and tricks. The good thing is, now there is something to fight and there is a certain experience, best practices, etc.

And those who sow panic and spread defeatist sentiments should be called to account. Both in the LDNR and in Russia, since they are screaming about the betrayal of the country's leadership and command and the inability of the Russian armed forces to resist even Ukraine with its powerful “Javelins”.

Under wartime conditions, it is customary to shoot the alarmists. Now, of course, this is unacceptable, given that they will immediately be declared martyrs and "fighters against the regime." But to send them to the front, somewhere in the Svetlodar arc, but without the right to terminate the contract ... that would be the power! It would even be possible to remove the reality show: sofa strategists in a single trench.

In any case, it is necessary to fight this poison and this problem needs to be solved.
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  1. Nasrat
    Nasrat 13 December 2018 11: 05
    +23
    Text:
    ... they shout loudly about the betrayal of the country's leadership and command and the inability of the Russian armed forces to confront even Ukraine with its powerful Javelins.

    In wartime, alarmists are usually shot. Now, of course, this is unacceptable, given that they will immediately be declared martyrs and "fighters with the regime. "
    Rђ RІRѕS, send them to the front line, somewhere to the Svetlodar arc, but without the right to terminate the contract ... that would be strength! You could even shoot a reality show: sofa strategists in a single trench.


    Hrenase ... many comrades from VO, sat down quietly .... Fighting with the "regime" is their strong point .. fetish .. and here is such a rebuke ... bully bully
    1. Loess
      Loess 13 December 2018 11: 12
      +4
      Quote: Nasr
      and here is such a rebuke ...

      But it’s well written.
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 13 December 2018 11: 17
        +5
        Quote: Less
        Quote: Nasr
        and here is such a rebuke ...

        But it’s well written.

        I do not know the author, Yegor Makhov, from the word - in general. I would like to know more about him .. that is. biography ...
        Thank you.
        -----------------------
        By the way, who can list the ardent "fighters with the regime" on the VO website? (as a social survey ..) good laughing Thank you in advance!
        1. Loess
          Loess 13 December 2018 11: 20
          +11
          Quote: Nasr
          By the way, who can list the ardent "fighters with the regime" on the VO website?

          FSB laughing
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 13 December 2018 11: 22
            -2
            Quote: Less

            FSB laughing


            This, of course ... bully
            I'm talking about the people's memory .... wassat
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 13 December 2018 11: 24
            +13
            Quote: Less
            Quote: Nasr
            By the way, who can list the ardent "fighters with the regime" on the VO website?

            FSB laughing

            And boldly insert me into the list. I’m still critical.
            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat 13 December 2018 11: 31
              -2
              Quote: mordvin xnumx

              And boldly insert me into the list. I’m still critical.

              The critic is not a fighter against the "regime" .. nevertheless, from me +
            2. My address
              My address 13 December 2018 11: 41
              -4
              Good afternoon, Vladimir! hi Let me stand with you. soldier
              As far as I understand, dill-like has appeared on VO? Is "Peacemaker" preparing its website? No wonder one nickname is worth something ...
              1. Nasrat
                Nasrat 13 December 2018 11: 45
                0
                Sorry, I won't give you a plus ... Volodya "got up" first - it's commendable, but to cling to him - in my opinion, obscene ...

                Father, I read the comment to the end:
                Quote: My address
                ... Is "Peacemaker" preparing its website? ..

                Why should a "hero-fighter" be afraid in his own country? Earlier in the Komsomol, such a fighter, he signed up - he was not afraid! And now my knees trembled ... Where is Pavka Korchagin then?
              2. NordUral
                NordUral 13 December 2018 22: 09
                +1
                With your permission, I will join if you take the old fart (only age characteristics). They will give an assault rifle, I will fight for children, grandchildren and friends. We die once, for children both it is possible and necessary. All the same, you have to. A huge author Фas a provocateur.
                1. igorka357
                  igorka357 14 December 2018 06: 12
                  +1
                  Well, that is, in short, only for their own, yes? Understood! These are obscurant characters and hid in the forests with "Berdanks", like if the Germans come to me then I will fight, and everything else is not mine! the kid died thousands of kilometers from home, not even knowing in vain or not, they simply believed in victory in a just cause, and fought for every inch of the Russian land, for their Motherland, which also included their children and other people's children, and everyone Russian people! Well, go ahead, only for your own people!
            3. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 13 December 2018 12: 38
              +3
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: Less
              Quote: Nasr
              By the way, who can list the ardent "fighters with the regime" on the VO website?

              FSB laughing

              And boldly insert me into the list. I’m still critical.

              Normal critic! Soul hurts, so do not be silent. hi
        2. Antares
          Antares 13 December 2018 11: 58
          0
          Quote: Nasr
          By the way, who can list the ardent "fighters with the regime" on the VO website? (as a social poll ..) good laughing Thank you in advance!

          criticism is a form of struggle or at will?
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 13 December 2018 12: 03
            +9
            Criticism is criticism, it doesn’t even smell like a fight ... and if there are suggestions for correcting deficiencies, it’s all at once one good! good



            I run away on business ... write - I will answer later ...
        3. Yegor Makhov
          13 December 2018 16: 37
          +19
          God's servant is covered with leather)) I live in the DNI. Militiaman of 2014. Publicism dabble.
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 13 December 2018 16: 40
            +6
            Quote: Egor Makhov
            God's servant is covered with leather)) I live in the DNI. Militiaman of 2014. Publicism dabble.

            Thank! Write more ... shake the bog here .. I shake my hand!
          2. AndreyS
            AndreyS 15 December 2018 08: 59
            +1
            Quote: Egor Makhov
            I dabble in journalism.
            Write more to Egor! They just kicked the "fighters with the regime" in the sirloin!
        4. NEOZ
          NEOZ 13 December 2018 23: 42
          +1
          Quote: Nasr
          list the ardent "fighters with the regime"

          Sylvester
      2. Machito
        Machito 13 December 2018 11: 24
        +7
        Well yes. We are sitting on the couch writing comments. So what to do? To go from Moscow to Donetsk to fatten trench lice? It is one thing to go on the offensive, to sit in trenches in Minsk to observe the disagreements is another. If the Donbass again flares up to the fullest, then the locals will come together and volunteers from Russia will catch up. Coming is fun.
        In the meantime, wipe the pants on the sofas.
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 13 December 2018 11: 30
          0
          Quote: Bearded
          If the Donbass again flares up to the fullest, then the locals will come together and volunteers from Russia will catch up


          Everything has its time.
        2. sunzhenets
          sunzhenets 19 December 2018 13: 14
          +1
          In 2014, there were hopes for a revival of the Russian world, the creation of a just New Russia. Hopes have died. All bright leaders are stripped. How the armored vehicles of the DPR stopped near Mariupol is known.
          Information from a person whom I trust - the power structures of the LPR are full of people who previously served in the SBU. The attitude towards Russia has become much more restrained, the semi-contemptuous "Rashka" is used quite widely. In relation to Russian volunteers, "come in large numbers" is periodically used.
    2. Vanek
      Vanek 13 December 2018 11: 23
      -4
      Quote: Nasr
      crouched quietly.


      They hid behind the sofas.

      hi
      1. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 13 December 2018 11: 41
        +6
        quote - But to send them to the front line, somewhere to the Svetlodar arc, but without the right to terminate the contract ... that would be strength! yes couch fighters against the regime and "patriots" would have immediately surrendered, because knocking fingers on the keyboard and doing a real thing are not compatible things
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 13 December 2018 11: 47
          0
          Quote: Tiksi-3
          tap the clave with your fingers and do


          And do not say.

          ....... do not toss bags *

          hi
        2. igorka357
          igorka357 14 December 2018 06: 14
          0
          You say that, personally, every twenty years you know? Why idle talk then?
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 13 December 2018 22: 11
        -1
        You yourself crawled out from under it, hero.
    3. rayruav
      rayruav 13 December 2018 13: 44
      0
      again you want zagrat bats they will run at the first
    4. Tank hard
      Tank hard 13 December 2018 13: 59
      +4
      Quote: Nasr
      Fighting the "regime"

      Take Evlampius. What is this "regime"? In real mode, some would be afraid to think, let alone fight. So many well-known strugglers for the development of American money, they are fighting for themselves calmly, going to their gatherings (in the Baltic States, for example) and crowning each other there, passing out "Kemsky volosts" in passing. So what? And everything is good with them. And you mean "regime", no, this is democracy, very cool, but very democratic. laughing
      1. AndreyS
        AndreyS 15 December 2018 09: 03
        0
        Quote: Tank Hard
        And you mean "regime", no, this is democracy, very cool, but very democratic. laughing

        The most democratic democracy, it is there ... overseas. And also the social state and the icon for which you need to pray ...
  2. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 13 December 2018 11: 12
    +3
    The only problem is that behind every fantasy, behind a defeatist mood, lies a man who scored in the republic and left to build summer cottages in the suburbs.
    The author would have called a surname, otherwise somehow everything goes out foggy.
    By the way, based on the beginning of the article, the topic of Basurin and his summary somehow dropped further. In addition to the regular offensives of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Polish and Baltic snipers, American negro mercenaries, and once, a whole battalion of ISIS, directly from near Mosul or from somewhere else, were somehow transferred to the front. Even the name has already been invented for this news - "basurinki". And who is spreading panic here is another big question
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 13 December 2018 11: 54
      +12
      In addition to the regular offensives of the Armed Forces, he also regularly has Polish and Baltic snipers, American Negro mercenaries, appearing at the front,
      I won’t say anything about blacks, it’s Igor Ivanovich, (he won’t be remembered by night) he spoke in detail about them. But the Poles, Germans and other Viking-Scandinavians saw, heard (negotiations), and even smelled (they smelled interesting, as did the other two hundredths).
      1. rayruav
        rayruav 13 December 2018 13: 49
        0
        honor of you
    2. Antares
      Antares 13 December 2018 12: 18
      0
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      The author would have called a surname, otherwise somehow everything goes out foggy.

      Igor All-Volodovich Girkin or what? laughing
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      regularly appear at the front

      that there both sides of the front give out such that you can pump. Only Ukrainians are monotonous. And Basurin is more interesting ..
      I now remember the Black Panther (there were articles on VO) and weapons from Battlefield.
      But NATO mercenaries and units are many. And foreign detachments and PS with Azov ..
      just monotony kills the news. Alert is not enough.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 13 December 2018 12: 43
        -1
        Quote: Antares
        Igor All-Volodovich Girkin or what?

        As I understand it, there is a different surname - Girkin has nothing to do with summer cottage construction, as far as I heard, and he was not a member of the contract in the DPR. As far as I understand the author, Girkin voices what a certain comrade tells him
    3. rayruav
      rayruav 13 December 2018 13: 46
      -3
      tell me the last name why are you sex?
  3. Mihail55
    Mihail55 13 December 2018 11: 34
    +8
    Interestingly, and for fake central TV will be punished?
  4. ochakow703
    ochakow703 13 December 2018 11: 34
    +1
    What !!! I am ready, and preparation allows ...
  5. ROMAN VYSOTSKY
    ROMAN VYSOTSKY 13 December 2018 11: 50
    +15
    The only problem is that behind every fantasy, behind the defeatist mood lies a man who scored on the republic and went to build summer cottages in the Moscow region. This is a soldier who did not extend the contract, not because the service seized him (and she’s really seized up with us and requires unwful nerves), but because he was told by “reputable” people that we’re all dead here day after day as a result of betrayal. This is a volunteer who has ceased to go about his business, because all the same Putinsil # and "Russia betrayed."

    Nonsense! And rudeness, of course, is complete. I don’t know who beat anyone there, but I personally saw it many times and heard with my own ears how the volunteer officers from 1 AK survived. Especially those who have passed 204-2015 Right in the face, the locals said: the main hostilities were over, thank you all. You occupy our positions and places. Let's go home. And the advisers zealously helped them to survive volunteer officers, especially with Soviet military education and experience. Against their background, the advisers looked pale, especially after the ban on the advisers going to the front lines (summer of 2015) was fired under any pretext. Especially this process went with 2016. Now, units have remained. Well, fatigue and frustration, of course.
    But from fear that they would leave, I have never seen such people. And I never heard in the army that they shouted: Putin leaked, Russia betrayed. The author brechet.
  6. Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 December 2018 12: 09
    +3
    Well done guy, he hung both ours and ours, and in life it happens. I want to shoot some of my own, or at least split my face after their deeds.
  7. MoJloT
    MoJloT 13 December 2018 12: 17
    0
    I am glad that the author is not discouraged, it is very good that there are such people. Only here are arguments such as
    Russia, which "treacherously" rebuilds schools, kindergartens and hospitals
    In general, nothing is said, Russia has such a tradition.
  8. BAI
    BAI 13 December 2018 12: 56
    0
    1.
    Ukraine with its powerful Javelins.

    And somewhere I saw information that the Javelins were delivered to Ukraine, provided they were not used in the Donbass?
    2. I do not think that anything will happen before December 15th. 15.12 - the decision on autocephaly, under the salute of guns is inconvenient to take. But after the 15th, options are possible.
  9. EvilLion
    EvilLion 13 December 2018 13: 02
    +6
    The author, come on, still know that not only Novorossia and Syria, Russia itself has long been merged. :-D Well, or drained. All the 18 years of Putin’s, building new military aircraft, raising salaries for people, so that you don’t get crowded with cars in yards, etc.
  10. Navigator Basov
    Navigator Basov 13 December 2018 13: 04
    +2
    Igor Ivanovich simply realized that the monarchy could not be restored like that (and he hadn’t soothed the bust on time), and turned on the back one.
    In general, defeatists of all stripes must be driven with pissed rags. It is very bad that we have not had such a phenomenon as public censure for a long time. Previously, this worked even within the collective (labor, training), now the very concept of the collective is leveled. Well, it’s clear that there is no longer a single society as such, but we are no longer able to organize at least a little massively — capitalism, individualism. And it would be useful for counteracting both the defeatists and the bulk with their sneakers, Ksyushas with their hatred of the people, and other, other, other Makarevichs.
  11. Nestorych
    Nestorych 13 December 2018 13: 10
    +1
    Egor writes to himself)), where was this creature when Strelkov fought there ?! What has enriched life itself besides manure?
    And now the guys continue to help as much as possible, and are aware of real (!!) events in the republics.
  12. Vanych
    Vanych 13 December 2018 13: 19
    -2
    yeah, Stalin cries for them
  13. rayruav
    rayruav 13 December 2018 13: 41
    0
    what ukrotanki to Moscow their traffic police crack crackers not enough
  14. Fedor1
    Fedor1 13 December 2018 13: 41
    -2
    I think the vileness and cowardice of mother Russia in the person of the leadership were the main reasons for the surrender of Mariupol and the land corridor in 2014, which continues to be destroyed by the Russian Bandera people. And to justify the obvious betrayal of Donbass by Russia is ridiculous!
  15. Digital error
    Digital error 13 December 2018 13: 54
    -1
    In fact, it is hard to say why the DPR MO every few months publishes an “insider” about the enemy's imminent attack, but this happens with the 2015 of the year with frightening regularity.

    And really - for what? What happened in the fable about the boy and the wolves, who frightened their parents, and when they did come, they didn’t believe him and ate the boy ?? I did not pay attention to this cry of Yaroslavna, but today Maria Zakharova already raised that cry, which was not there before.
    1. Digital error
      Digital error 14 December 2018 12: 12
      -2
      Ah, Basurin, ah, Masha ... Where is the announced dust of tank ukrokolonn covering Donetsk? I will not listen to these alarms anymore - due to loss of trust.
  16. Yat
    Yat 13 December 2018 14: 30
    +1
    Let this author remember how our country met on June 22, 1941. Before this day, it was also said a lot that there would be no German attack.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 13 December 2018 16: 12
      +1
      This has never been said, 20 years stubbornly awaited the war. This does not include direct instructions in the prewar days.
      1. victor50
        victor50 13 December 2018 17: 33
        +1
        Quote: EvilLion
        This has never been said, 20 years stubbornly awaited the war.

        20 not 20, but they waited, judging by what is known, at least the military were sure that there would be a war. But there was this:
        TASS report of June 14, 1941: TASS declares that: 1) Germany did not present any claims to the USSR and does not offer any new, closer agreement, therefore, negotiations on this subject could not take place; 2) According to the USSR, Germany adheres to the conditions of the Soviet-German non-aggression pact as unswervingly as the Soviet Union, which is why, in the opinion of Soviet circles, rumors about Germany's intentions to break the pact and launch an attack on the USSR are devoid of any ground, and what is happening in the recent transfer of German troops liberated in the Balkans to the eastern and northeastern regions of Germany is, presumably, connected with other motives that have no bearing on Soviet-German relations; 3) the USSR, as it follows from its peaceful policy, has observed and intends to comply with the conditions of the Soviet-German non-aggression pact, which is why rumors that the USSR is preparing for war with Germany are false and provocative; 4) the current summer training camp of the Red Army reserves and the upcoming maneuvers are aimed at nothing more than training the reserve and checking the operation of railway transport, carried out, as you know, every year, which is why these events of the Red Army are portrayed as hostile to Germany ridiculous to say the least. "
        And yet, according to S. Smirnov, on June 27 they could be expelled from the party for alleging that war could not be avoided, Major Gavrilov, one of the future defense leaders of the Brest Fortress.
  17. UltraRed
    UltraRed 13 December 2018 14: 40
    -1
    Yes, the "combat psychovirus" about "300 riflemen" was promoted in due time with high quality!
    Even I almost believed, though, that Girkin, a whitewash with murky ties in exile, knew.
    And how many vilified SEC (S.E. Kurginyan) for calculating defeatism in advance and the planned drain of the DPR by Girkin & K!
    Now, especially after Girkin's "proverb" in an interview with Prokhanov, about the plan to surrender Donetsk, to support it publicly - either complete stupidity, or "spetsuha" for those uninformed about the ins and outs of the "Franklintempelton nest chick" .....
    And the observation of how the next Girkin's "prophecies" are getting dumber, creates the feeling that this is not even politics, but so - attempts to "shake" the rate of some well-known stocks ...... :)
  18. samarin1969
    samarin1969 13 December 2018 16: 27
    -1
    Those. According to the author, the main problem of Donbass is "defeatists". Sounds good, but absurd. Egor Makhov (or "Egor Makhov") has obviously moved into the "Mekhlis".
    1) Defendants are people who call for surrender - they have not been noticed on the network. 2) Despite the "war leaflets" from Comrade Makhov, the situation in Donbass is steadily changing for the worse.
  19. UltraRed
    UltraRed 13 December 2018 18: 05
    +8
    Quote: samarin1969
    Those. According to the author, the main problem of Donbass is "defeatists". Sounds good, but absurd. Egor Makhov (or "Egor Makhov") has obviously moved into the "Mekhlis".
    1) Defendants are people who call for surrender - they have not been noticed on the network. 2) Despite the "war leaflets" from Comrade Makhov, the situation in Donbass is steadily changing for the worse.

    1. According to the author of the article, nowhere is it pedaling that "defeatists in the network" is the MAIN problem.
    And what should you write only about the "main" problems?
    2. And the "witnesses of the Girkin sect" who surrendered Sloviansk and Kramatorsk, and almost surrendered Donetsk - "were not seen in the network"? And panic predictions of defeat - this is possible literally and not defeatism, but at least - alarmism. And what do they do with alarmists since wartime, in all wars in the history of mankind?
    3. About Mehlis opinion from perestroika "Ogonyok"? The personality of course was ambiguous, but he could not be denied personal courage and disinterestedness. and besides the Crimean defeat (by the way, my grandfather fought there at the Book), there was also the Tikhvin operation. And "negindenburg" Kozlov was able to ruin everything and everyone .........
    4. I won’t be staring that I’m sitting in a trench near Novoazovsk, but I talked a lot and closely with people who have passed the road in Donbass, both in an official setting and in an informal setting. and in helping to solve life problems. And with local natives and with volunteers, and with the "leadership" and with "privates", and from various units and different political overtones. and from the DPR and from the LPR .......
    So the opinion of the author of the article, which in general does not hide the serious problems that exist in LDNR, seems to me much more adequate than the party # donbasslin ......
    5. Of course, healthy criticism is useful. But the civil war is a very "cluttered china shop" - so that there casually "waving his trunk" .......
    The "game" is not over yet, and what is "consistently worse" or "consistently better" will show the "final result" ...
    1. samarin1969
      samarin1969 13 December 2018 18: 32
      +1
      Unexpectedly big comment. hi ...
      According to clause 2 ... But was there anything for Strelkov to keep Sloviansk and Kramatorsk? ... And in fact, instead of being "shot", this man got the position of "Minister of Defense". Kind of weird"...?
      ps "Mekhlis" - as a "commissar", "smashing" the "alarmists". wink Not - as a "commander".
      1. UltraRed
        UltraRed 13 December 2018 19: 02
        +3
        1. Who "got the position of Minister of Defense"? Shooters? Do you even know what was going on at that moment in the leadership of the DPR? And on the meeting on the defense of Donetsk, what were the layouts there? Girkin revealed himself completely in an interview with Prokhanov - read ........ To disclose the content of operational information is bad manners ...
        2. I hope the facts of Girkin’s work with Malofeev, and you will not deny his friendship with Ivanov (who glorified KONR)?
        3. Whether it was possible to keep Slavyansk - the question is certainly not yet closed, but "what" it was, and Yegor writes about it correctly. Perhaps, of course, there was an element of a set-up by the "anti-Malofey" forces, but to surrender Kramatorsk and Donetsk - "de facto" to surrender the DPR ..... In principle, any "decisive" scenario was beneficial, that there were Ukrainian tanks in Lugansk, that Russians in Kiev .... Girkin only conscientiously practiced the owners' strategy. The situation with the surrender of the Donetsk agglomeration was stopped at the last moment ...
      2. 72jora72
        72jora72 14 December 2018 12: 28
        0
        According to claim 2 ... Was there anything to Strelkov to keep Slavyansk and Kramatorsk ?.
        Gloomy wrote a lot to Strelkov’s account. Anyone who wants to can search on the Internet and see.
  20. akula
    akula 13 December 2018 19: 11
    +1
    Quote: Nasr
    By the way, who can list the ardent "fighters with the regime" on the VO website? (as a social poll ..) Thanks in advance!
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    There is a homeland, and its part of the Donbass, and the regime that temporarily controls it, agree not very effectively. These are different things.
  21. philosopher
    philosopher 13 December 2018 19: 36
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    I apologize to the most respected public, but I want to say a little off topic, but about Donetsk.
    Donetsk has been warming for several years and the activities of the Donetsk Military History Club continue. Fans of bench modeling and history buffs as much as possible gather and continue to do this socially useful, historically enlightening, educational thing for the younger generation. We have great difficulties, but we are holding on. We have a permanent exhibition, hold various club events, during the years of the war we even traveled with models several times to the Russian Federation for meetings and competitions.
    We have great difficulties and problems, but we work in this public organization (without payment and compensation of expenses or funding from the city administration) organization.
    Now we are organizing our own web page. We need to get enough followers and supporters. If we succeed in these quickly, then we will be allowed to have our own name, some changes in access and "other cookies" (I do not understand Networks, therefore I will not say what I do not know).
    I ask all concerned visitors to this site, all lovers of military history, all modelers ... I ask everyone to visit our page, visit it regularly, see all the materials that appear, AND MOST IMPORTANT, PLEASE SUBSCRIBE TO OUR PAGE.
    We work with ordinary household, amateur equipment, we do as we can. We are posting there past programs from our local TCR, but then we will post videos that have already been recorded and edited by our small team in our free time on an amateur basis. Quality may not be so ... But the soul is attached.

    Please come and subscribe:
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMT22pHnJRI4dZ_xkI2UT9Q

    (you can try to enter by typing in a yu-tube, in the search video "Donetsk Military-Historical Club", the program "From chain mail to armor." But I definitely get it right from the link).
  22. Spine
    Spine 13 December 2018 20: 18
    +2
    And those who sow panic and spread defeatist moods should be called to account. Both on the territory of LDNR and in Russia

    Yes, there are enough of them and the highest level in the power of Russia, and as usual here on the site all this is clearly visible ..
    Whining and alarmism, for Russia always cost dearly and with great sacrifices ....
    The media themselves know in whose hands we oppose how we can. And the Russian cry does not give up, now more than ever, angers so many!
    If anything, volunteers will flow, but as always we are spread rot ..
    The fifth column in the power of Russia is still very strong and this must be taken into account .. we are working in all directions. Oh how we can.
  23. Stils
    Stils 13 December 2018 22: 57
    -4
    It seems to me that Yegor Makhov, a Cossack mishandled! SSUH Worm!
    1. Cananecat
      Cananecat 14 December 2018 23: 42
      -1
      On the topic to pump the mood of the masses?
      1. Stils
        Stils 14 December 2018 23: 57
        +1
        As they say the enemy feel, I can not prove! I’m watching this dude, a sort of brother, I don’t like him, he is rocking the situation with his articles, who likes, your will. Bulging is the first sign of insincerity.
  24. Jerk
    Jerk 14 December 2018 19: 29
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    Thanks categorically to the author! Iza the topic itself, and for the way of presentation (alas, I only obscenities). I agree with you completely.
    And how the truth got sick when you read on the internet, "Russia has abandoned us !!!" Where itself? And who threw whom, let's count the hole in the skin, only I am Moscow, and you are out there - Don .. "etsk" al rather don the officer
  25. Eirik Krause
    Eirik Krause 16 December 2018 03: 20
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    Is it difficult to transfer five-ten migrant workers from Central Asia to LDNR and arming them with captured Ukrainian weapons?
    to liberate Kiev and Lviv, as a reward giving them to plunder for a week to a friend?
    1. Cananecat
      Cananecat 17 December 2018 09: 30
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      You don’t need to arm them ... just throw them into Ukraine and open scrap metal reception points at the border ... they’ll bring everything themselves laughing