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The astronauts received a piece of plating "Union" with a hole from drilling

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In the course of work in open space, Russian cosmonauts Oleg Kononenko and Sergey Prokopiev investigated the damage site of the plating of the MC-09 Union. Recall that we are talking about the hole, which, as previously established, appeared as a result of drilling. To open the screen-vacuum insulation of the ship, the Russian cosmonauts needed a cutter and special scissors. Micrometeoritic protection of the ship was bent clamping pliers. The work was complicated by the location of the hole, which turned out to be very difficult to reach.


The scheme of works was presented on the Roscosmos website:
The astronauts received a piece of plating "Union" with a hole from drilling


As a result, fragments of the ship's skin were obtained, and now they must be delivered to the Earth for research. In addition, for the implementation of investigative actions, samples of a sealant will be delivered to Earth, with which a hole in the skin of a spacecraft will be blocked.

Recall that the return of the mission from the International Space Station is scheduled for December 20.

The head of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, thanked the astronauts for their work, which, as noted, was fraught with unprecedented complexity and risk. According to Rogozin, the samples taken will give an answer to the question about the appearance of a hole in the plating of the “Union”.

Journalists asked NASA representatives to comment on the work of the Russians in outer space. The American Aerospace Association said they did not consider it necessary to comment on the Russian cosmonauts survey of the Russian spacecraft plating.

TASS cites a statement from NASA representative Cheryl Warner:
It would be inappropriate to speculate on the results of a spacewalk until analysis on Earth is complete.
Photos used:
Roscosmos, FSUE "TSENKI"
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 12 December 2018 06: 16
    +6
    I don’t catch up with something ... there was a hole, they raised noise ... and now they cut out a piece and the norms? not clear from the article.
    1. Cananecat
      Cananecat 12 December 2018 06: 30
      +5
      They took a piece of antimonitor protection, as I understand it. If drilled from the inside, then it will be damaged on the inside.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 12 December 2018 07: 40
        +1
        Quote: Canecat
        If drilled from the inside, then it will be damaged on the inside.

        So it is already damaged on the inside, that is, from the compartment, the mass of the photo was laid out with traces of exposure. What are you looking for there?
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        2. Machito
          Machito 12 December 2018 08: 13
          +4
          Now the Americans are not screwed. I don’t understand one thing - what immediately snot chewed. We must learn from the Americans: declare the United States in aggression on the ISS.
          1. Sirocco
            Sirocco 12 December 2018 08: 16
            +3
            Quote: Bearded
            Now the Americans are not screwed.

            The essence of this exit and opening the casing? What did you want to find there? Chip, chip drill? What did they find there so that Amer wouldn’t get away with?
            1. Machito
              Machito 12 December 2018 08: 28
              +12
              Quote: Sirocco
              Quote: Bearded
              Now the Americans are not screwed.

              The essence of this exit and opening the casing? What did you want to find there? Chip, chip drill? What did they find there so that Amer wouldn’t get away with?

              And it doesn’t matter. The main thing is to say that the Americans are to blame, they wanted to deprive the earthlings of the orbital station. Throw more information guano and wave a little tablet in front of the camera, like Petka.
              In the 21st century, evidence is not needed. The statement on the zombie hunter is already a proof.
              Fake times have come.
              1. Sirocco
                Sirocco 12 December 2018 08: 32
                +3
                Quote: Bearded
                And it doesn’t matter.

                So this must be done immediately, and not after a fight with a fist to wave.
                1. Machito
                  Machito 12 December 2018 08: 37
                  +8
                  Quote: Sirocco
                  Quote: Bearded
                  And it doesn’t matter.

                  So this must be done immediately, and not after a fight with a fist to wave.

                  And that doesn't matter either.
                  New circumstances were revealed and the guano is denser.
                  The Washington Regional Committee has turned the veracity of the media into unnecessary attavism.
                  1. Sirocco
                    Sirocco 12 December 2018 08: 40
                    0
                    Quote: Bearded
                    New circumstances were revealed and the guano is denser.

                    If it is a guano (chewing gum) in the form of an American-made sealant, and it was under a protective shield, then yes. It will be hard to spin. Then you need to monitor the container, so as not to be stolen)))))
                  2. Topotun
                    Topotun 12 December 2018 09: 45
                    +1
                    Vaughn Bashirov again poisoning the British already sorrel ... And nothing hawala ....
                  3. a.sirin
                    a.sirin 12 December 2018 12: 27
                    0
                    "Atavism" with one "t".
              2. Mestny
                Mestny 12 December 2018 09: 28
                +2
                I draw your attention - not just some kind of plank, but a real piece of casing with the same hole. For which it was all, that is, cutting out this same skin was done.
                Just in these fake times, this is the only option to really show something to people like you.
                1. kasatky
                  kasatky 12 December 2018 15: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: Mestny
                  For which it was all, that is, cutting out this same skin was done.

                  It’s a pity, but the truth in this matter is not needed by anyone except us. If the Americans drilled in space, they will not admit guilt, even if the count on the head is comic. They will also declare us liars and senility. Europeans will play along with them.
                  If the structure is damaged on the ground, then there may be useful conclusions on organizing production, restricting access, identifying agents, etc.
                2. Vlad.by
                  Vlad.by 13 December 2018 20: 20
                  0
                  Well, fear God! The skin of the ship is not smoked. cut off a piece of anti-meteorite casing and made scrapings from the outer surface. As I understand it, they want to receive samples of drill material. It may turn out that it was a Chinese drill. Then, it’s for sure the Americans, our Chinese in orbit do not use.
              3. Victorio
                Victorio 13 December 2018 20: 09
                0
                Quote: Bearded
                And it doesn’t matter. The main thing is to say that the Americans are to blame, they wanted to deprive the earthlings of the orbital station.

                ==
                where does the station, if the hole in the docked ship!? instead of pushing disu here, it would not hurt to study the material.
            2. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 12 December 2018 09: 40
              +5
              Quote: Sirocco
              The essence of this exit and opening the casing? What did you want to find there? Chip, chip drill? What did they find there so that Amer wouldn’t get away with?

              The bottom line is that there is a need to obtain additional samples, which may contain microparticles of the same drill. Comparative analysis of these particles with particles taken from drill samples available in the "toolbox" of our workers, will give a clear understanding of which drill was used - ours, or foreign, i.e. the one on the American module.
              1. Letun
                Letun 12 December 2018 11: 00
                -4
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                The bottom line is that there is a need to obtain additional samples, which may contain microparticles of the same drill. Comparative analysis of these particles with particles taken from drill samples available in the "toolbox" of our workers, will give a clear understanding of which drill was used - ours, or foreign, i.e. the one on the American module.

                You read (look) too many detectives laughing
                1. Lycan
                  Lycan 12 December 2018 14: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: Letun
                  You read (look) too many detectives

                  Why not conduct such an analysis? Detectives, by the way, would not be detectives if there were no objective methods of examination.
                  For example, your girlfriend, having asked you to go to a bachelorette party for 2-3 days, "suddenly" became "rounded" in a couple of months. Surely you think that you always had everything under control with her, but suspicions do not disappear: should you innocently write off her "sudden flight" as "your oversight" (and not sweat detective stories) ... or go through DNA for peace of mind -analysis (quite an accessible procedure) so that there are no omissions?
                  PS: In my opinion, the analysis of this drilled place is an unprecedented case in world forensics, and it just for the sake of interest should have been uncovered - much can come up there.
                2. dedusik
                  dedusik 12 December 2018 21: 49
                  0
                  Chemical analysis of the metal will be done in any chemical laboratory of a small plant negative
              2. meGrail
                meGrail 12 December 2018 14: 45
                -4
                Oh yes, "foreign ..." how much guana is pouring here, about American saboteurs, about foreign aliens from Nibiru, and most importantly, to cover up the obvious - the hole was made on Earth, and it is a direct result of slovenliness in the space industry
          2. figwam
            figwam 12 December 2018 09: 56
            -1
            Quote: Bearded
            Now the Americans are not screwed

            While the two of us were outside, the Americans inside, somewhere else, drilled holes.
          3. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 12 December 2018 10: 39
            +4
            Quote: Bearded
            We must learn from the Americans: declare the United States in aggression on the ISS.

            good And in the toilet our space they are no longer allowed. All. Sanctions.
          4. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 12 December 2018 12: 00
            -2
            The article says that they found a sealant, which means it was precisely drilled on Earth.
        3. Topgun
          Topgun 12 December 2018 13: 43
          0
          it’s very simple: if you drilled in space, then there will be traces on other layers of the ship, but if you climbed at the factory (that piece of iron was drilled in the wrong place and in order not to get stuck the worker who drilled did not mask the correct hole) then there will be no drill marks on other layers .. .
          holes are usually drilled on workpieces, parts separately, now everything will become clear ...
    2. svp67
      svp67 12 December 2018 06: 30
      +11
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      .and now the piece was cut out and the norms?

      This fragment will be delivered to Earth in order to understand exactly what the hole was made for, and there it will be possible to establish where and who.
      For some reason, he immediately introduced Rogozin, holding a fragment of the skin in front of the cameras, at the next press conference
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 12 December 2018 06: 32
        0
        Quote: svp67
        This fragment will be delivered to Earth in order to understand exactly what the hole was made for, and there it will be possible to establish where and who.

        yes it is understandable, the essence is in a piece cut! before there was a hole, but now it's a Hole? or "welded and glued or sealed and smeared"? what
        1. svp67
          svp67 12 December 2018 06: 35
          +4
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          there was a hole before, but now it’s a hole?

          This is a fragment from the lining of the compartment that does not come back, it burns in dense layers. Yes, and there I think that this Soyuz, the reserve Soyuz, will be planted without a crew, and a new one will be sent in its place.
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        2. andranick
          andranick 12 December 2018 08: 13
          0
          Duc fragment not of the body, but of protection
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 12 December 2018 14: 55
            0
            Quote: andranick
            Duc fragment not of the body, but of protection

            Why then did the air come out through this "protection"? The hole and started looking after the pressure began to drop.
            1. andranick
              andranick 12 December 2018 17: 38
              0
              because no one promised the tightness of the defenses. A sealed housing case was drilled. Behind it, outside, are leaky thermal and anti-meteorite protection.
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 12 December 2018 20: 01
                0
                Quote: andranick
                because no one promised the tightness of the defenses. A sealed housing case was drilled. Behind it, outside, are leaky thermal and anti-meteorite protection.

                As can be understood from the article, it was a piece of the sealed case that was cut out, in which there was a hole. And the thermal protection was opened to get to the sealed shell. So, apparently, this Soyuz ship is to be scrapped in the ocean. IMHO.
      2. vadson
        vadson 12 December 2018 06: 33
        0
        for some reason reminded gunpowder
        1. svp67
          svp67 12 December 2018 06: 36
          0
          Quote: vadson
          for some reason reminded gunpowder

          In, in ... I just did not begin to develop the idea. But the principles of political technology are the same
          1. vadson
            vadson 12 December 2018 06: 38
            0
            and if you dig? Colin with a test tube loomed. eh - globalization ...
      3. Zubr
        Zubr 12 December 2018 07: 17
        +1
        For some reason, he immediately introduced Rogozin, holding a fragment of the skin in front of the cameras, at the next press conference

        hi
        Have mercy on your excellency!
        This is only characteristic of the UN Secretary General ... laughing
      4. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 12 December 2018 10: 43
        0
        Quote: svp67
        and there it may be possible to establish where and who.

        You can define it much easier. It is necessary to see which of the personnel of the spacecraft manufacturer has fallen into pessimism, become self-absorbed or gone into a binge from the moment the investigation began.
        1. Avior
          Avior 12 December 2018 10: 53
          0
          and if he didn’t go out before?
          1. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 12 December 2018 10: 57
            0
            Quote: Avior
            and if he didn’t go out before?

            Then it's even easier. "Cant" drunk.
    3. Finches
      Finches 12 December 2018 08: 11
      -1
      What kind of Jamshoud, since the skilled workers ended, because basically 20 years of lawyers and economists, and all kinds of top managers were trained, by misunderstanding drove the drill into the building in the assembly shop, then twisted his head, no one sees, took out the mouth from the mouth and put a hole in it ... laughing

      Joking as a joke, but now the men at a speed of 23000 km / h had to get to this hole and, in general, it’s good, that’s good, because it’s not a joke!
  2. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 12 December 2018 06: 18
    +7
    with such neighbors in space, we need our own orbital station.
    1. Frederick
      Frederick 12 December 2018 07: 42
      -2
      Duc was ... Until for the sake of partnership they drowned. Uuh, and what fairy tales the GDP then flooded, worse than Rogozin. Before flooding, he said that we will build better, but! later. There will be Mir-2, only those who were even a little interested in astronautics knew that there would be no Mir-2. Since the construction of Mir-2 was supposed to be gradual withdrawal of old blocks and replacement with new ones, and not construction from scratch. Soon the ISS will end its service life, the partners will build their own, for themselves and their friends, and we will either run to teach the Chinese, or we will listen to Rogozin's tales on Earth ... crying
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 12 December 2018 08: 21
        +2
        Yeah. We either enter the new project of the international station, then we exit, then we enter again ... just like a ball from a donkey Eeyore in the famous cartoon ..... laughing
        1. Frederick
          Frederick 12 December 2018 08: 56
          0
          Like an Owl: "Uh-huh." It comes out great! laughing
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 12 December 2018 10: 24
        +4
        Quote: Friedrich

        So it was ... So far, for the sake of partnership, have not been drowned. Wow, and what fairy tales

        You are either unfair or little informed. Look, there is infa that the station had two serious accidents. Accident with an oxygen station and fire. One compartment was completely disabled and only thanks to the courage and resourcefulness of our astronauts did they escape death. By the way, when ours fought for their lives and the remaining compartments of the station, the American astronaut could not do anything in horror and simply watched the actions of our astronauts.
        So, by the time of flooding, the station was already poorly functional and unsuitable for repair. And the decision to flood was made for a reason.
        1. Frederick
          Frederick 12 December 2018 10: 52
          0
          I am aware of both accidents and outright underfunding, to put it mildly, simply, after the construction of the ISS on MIR, the bolt was gradually hammered. But the life of the station could be extended and, if desired, MIR-2 could not be rebuilt in full. From Roscosmos, many said that the station could be saved. But I also remember how Putin openly and brazenly lied to the honored Soviet cosmonauts and scientists, to the TV camera, that he would rebuild a new station when they asked him to allocate money for repairs and extend its life. Moreover, the station was not purely "peaceful" because the military had their own interests there. And the main question I have for Putin is, why was there a promise that you can never fulfill ?!
          1. zlinn
            zlinn 12 December 2018 15: 14
            0
            The station was completed and operated since 1995 for American money, and in 98m there was a default and it was simply not possible to extend its "life", and they began to build the ISS for American money, and even today 90% of the costs for them
  3. nikvic46
    nikvic46 12 December 2018 06: 22
    0
    Something is not logical. Or I didn’t understand something. That ship that flew in August was supposed to burn in
    atmosphere? Or reusable?
    1. pru-pavel
      pru-pavel 12 December 2018 06: 27
      +4
      Disposable. Unions have always been disposable. Otherwise, how do you suggest that the astronauts return.
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 12 December 2018 08: 07
        -2
        Dear, give me a clueless message. How can one look for a hole in a ship that is no longer there?
        1. pru-pavel
          pru-pavel 12 December 2018 08: 09
          +1
          There is a ship. It is disposable. It flies once - from the earth to the ISS and from the ISS to the earth, it returns the previous shift of the astronauts. This progress of non-returnable freight burns out in the atmosphere, not unions. If it is more understandable to you, then it is a one-time returnable.
    2. Avior
      Avior 12 December 2018 09: 11
      -1
      this is another ship
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 December 2018 06: 25
    +11
    Every EVA is a mortal risk ... Did the guys risk it in vain? It is so important to know who drilled the Union? So, it’s important ... Okay, let's see how it will turn around ...
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 12 December 2018 06: 33
      -5
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Every EVA is a mortal risk ...

      Do not tell my horseshoes laughing The Americans won’t fly to the moon for almost half a century, but isho jumped, ran on the surface, fell and got up wassat And you are "mortal risk" wink
      So someone is breshit what - either we are at our own mortal risk, or the Americans are playing golf on the moon laughing drinks
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 12 December 2018 09: 30
        +3
        Quote: Rurikovich
        Don’t tell my horseshoes. Americans flew to the moon for almost half a century, and even jumped, ran on the surface, fell and got up. And you are a "mortal risk"

        Well, after all, the Americans did not threaten to fall below the lunar surface. And here, if you come off the hoses, then you have an unplanned excursion throughout the universe. And then where to look for this meteorite in a spacesuit?
        Quote: Rurikovich
        So, someone is lying - either we are at our own mortal risk, or the Americans are playing golf on the moon

        Definitely the Americans are crazy. As practice shows, they can’t be trusted at all. the truth is not their hobby, and in order to achieve their goal they are bored at every step.
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 12 December 2018 17: 11
          0
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Well, after all, the Americans did not threaten to fall below the lunar surface

          So I wrote a humorous post. I have long argued that the Americans were not on the moon, because our mortal risk is more likely than their jumps on the moon laughing
          And then, readers have forgotten how to distinguish sarcasm from seriousness, then the cons are science yes
          Well, take the victims of the exam request ...
    2. ver_
      ver_ 12 December 2018 07: 43
      -2
      ... it turns out Chi Sho is Carlson - who lives on the roof ...
  5. Conductor
    Conductor 12 December 2018 06: 34
    -1
    If you drill a through hole in the submarine in the hull at a depth of 200 meters. What will happen?
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 12 December 2018 06: 44
      +6
      Submariners will become real waterfowl ..... joke, there will be nothing, they will find and repair, although they will tarnish the reputation!
      By the way, a face driller at such a depth can fly so if not through, then not very weak! External pressure, however.
      1. Conductor
        Conductor 12 December 2018 06: 57
        +2
        20 atmospheres and flies through or not, I don’t know. But definitely not a hydromassage in the spa center))))
    2. bistrov.
      bistrov. 12 December 2018 07: 19
      +2
      Quote: Conductor
      drill a through hole in the submarine

      Here, it is just the opposite, outside is not pressure but depression and temperature - 273 degrees Celsius.
      1. Conductor
        Conductor 12 December 2018 07: 38
        +1
        So they would add to the socializing, and that’s all.
        1. mac789
          mac789 12 December 2018 07: 58
          0
          Yeah ... Tongue to cold lumina ... good
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 12 December 2018 08: 04
          0
          Hollywood loves such moments "to draw" when air comes out into a hole the size of a door for half an hour!
          Although there would be a hydro-pneumatic blow, with the most unpleasant / catastrophic consequences!
        3. Sova
          Sova 12 December 2018 11: 53
          0
          Like the movie "Alien" when the alien was sucked out of the Ship through the hole.
    3. Snail N9
      Snail N9 12 December 2018 08: 24
      +3
      If you drill a through hole in the submarine in the hull

      You get stuck with a hand drill to drill a sturdy hull near a submarine. Do you have any idea what thickness it is, and even what steel it is made of? yes
  6. K-50
    K-50 12 December 2018 07: 25
    +1
    The return of the mission from the International Space Station is scheduled for December 20.

    A safe return to the astronauts, well, and the rest too. hi
  7. Evil 55
    Evil 55 12 December 2018 07: 26
    -4
    The module is like a household one, and they did meter-per-meter ventilation there for the sake of testing the metal of the cladding .. The essence of the operation is unclear and the result of the operation is incomprehensible ..
  8. bald
    bald 12 December 2018 07: 30
    0
    --- "... The American Aerospace Association stated that they do not consider it necessary to comment on the examination of the skin of the Russian spacecraft by Russian cosmonauts." - For some reason, this is alarming. Maybe the "cat" is to blame !?
    1. Cat Kuzya
      Cat Kuzya 12 December 2018 08: 34
      +2
      "Cat" is definitely not to blame - "I give a grudge." yes
      1. bald
        bald 12 December 2018 08: 46
        0
        Then only the meteor remains, the green people do not need this, we are the same.
        1. Cat Kuzya
          Cat Kuzya 12 December 2018 08: 50
          +1
          green men do not need it

          You forgot about the "green crocodiles" who are friends with the "squirrel". Astronauts, especially their female part, have this version of the "space squirrel" sometimes, they say, rolls over ...
          1. bald
            bald 12 December 2018 09: 02
            +1
            We’ll wait for the results of the analysis, I wrote above that NASA is keeping quiet, they’re worried what the experts will reveal, and not theirs, but Russian ones.
            1. Avior
              Avior 12 December 2018 09: 56
              -2
              what analyzes are needed, the hole was closed during the production of the ship, otherwise it was simply impossible to get there from the outside.
              and if the Chinese sealant is, what conclusions do you make? lol
              1. bald
                bald 12 December 2018 10: 36
                0
                All the information for us is diverse - whether from the outside, from the inside, whether it appeared on the earth (hole), in space - they will find out everything, otherwise they would not have cut it. Finger on the water we carry.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 12 December 2018 10: 44
                  +1
                  you did not understand.
                  the hole was first covered with sealant, and then the thermo and anti-meteorite protection was mounted on top, which had to be cut now.
                  This could be done exclusively during the production of the ship and nothing else.
                  1. bald
                    bald 12 December 2018 10: 48
                    +1
                    It’s clear that the matter is dark - we’ll wait, tired of procrastinating.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 12 December 2018 11: 25
                      0
                      after the sealant outside the case under protection was found, the matter became much clearer.
                  2. Loess
                    Loess 12 December 2018 10: 59
                    +1
                    Quote: Avior
                    the hole was first covered with sealant, and then the thermal and anti-meteorite protection were mounted on top -

                    Thermo and meteor protection are mounted externally. The hole is drilled from the inside. Drilling a hole from the inside at any time.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 12 December 2018 11: 38
                      -1
                      and sealant should be applied only when protection is not installed
                      1. Loess
                        Loess 12 December 2018 11: 59
                        0
                        And where did you get the idea that the sealant was applied from the outside? The sealant that fills the gap on either side is on either side of the hole. Especially under conditions of different pressures. And when a hole is detected in the casing, it is primarily sealed. And in this case, if the hole in the casing was already sealed with sealant BEFORE a problem was detected at the station, then after repeated sealing, traces of the initial sealant can be taken only from the outside.
                      2. Avior
                        Avior 12 December 2018 12: 10
                        -1
                        well yes. someone squeezed the sealant from the inside through a 2 mm hole so that a fungus from the sealant formed on the outside, and from the inside no trace remained.
                      3. Loess
                        Loess 12 December 2018 12: 17
                        +1
                        From the inside, they could (yes, I think that they were obliged to) apply sealant as soon as they discovered the hole. Still, there are not laboratory conditions, people's lives depend on the speed of eliminating depressurization. And by the way, 2 mm is not so small. And in this case, if the sealant was already there, then its traces from the inside were under the sealant layer imposed when the depressurization was eliminated.
                      4. Avior
                        Avior 12 December 2018 13: 44
                        -1
                        they did so, but before that they took a picture.

                        see traces of sealant there? and no one saw
                      5. Loess
                        Loess 12 December 2018 13: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: Avior
                        see traces of sealant there? and no one saw

                        you try to work with a colorless sealant, take a picture and see, and then say a lot you saw or not.
                      6. Avior
                        Avior 12 December 2018 15: 47
                        0
                        worked a hundred times, it can be seen.
                        besides it is black
                      7. Loess
                        Loess 12 December 2018 16: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        besides it is black

                        Who told you this?
          2. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 12 December 2018 12: 45
            +1
            Quote: Kuzya the Cat
            Astronauts, especially their female part, have this version of the "space squirrel"

            As for the female part, it sometimes happens without space, it rolls over. laughing
  9. Cry
    Cry 12 December 2018 07: 39
    -4
    Was it virgin or, as it were, untouched before flying into space or flew away with a hole?
    1. Avior
      Avior 12 December 2018 09: 09
      0
      the hole was sealed with sealant on the ground before the installation of the meteor protection, that is, at the factory
      1. Cry
        Cry 12 December 2018 09: 53
        0
        Then there was no point in arranging such an expensive enterprise with zero political effect, ringing the whole world, that we would convict Americans, including about a flight to the moon. We should now figure out who by this takes the arrows away from him, shouts to the whole space "stop the thief."
        1. Avior
          Avior 12 December 2018 09: 54
          0
          Of course, there was no point; they managed it to the fullest.
          Are you looking for Rogozin meaning?
          1. Cry
            Cry 12 December 2018 10: 01
            -2
            I am one of those who know the rules in this industry during the Soviet era and that people like Rogozin were not allowed to go there for a cannon shot.
            1. Avior
              Avior 12 December 2018 10: 03
              -1
              in fact, in what industry can Rogozin be allowed to work? Conversational artist in a circus variety school?
  10. Million
    Million 12 December 2018 07: 43
    0
    Rogozin is a place on the TNT channel, and not in such an industry as Roscosmos. Even in spite of his talent: Doctor of Philosophy and Doctor of Technical Sciences!
    Lomonosov is resting!
  11. Professor
    Professor 12 December 2018 07: 50
    +2
    As a result, fragments of the ship's casing were obtained, and now they must be delivered to Earth for research. In addition, samples will be delivered to Earth to carry out investigative actions. sealantwhich blocked the hole in the spacecraft lining.

    Sealant? Does anyone after these words have doubts about the origin of this hole?
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 12 December 2018 08: 21
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      Sealant?

      Let's go about the sealant as a version, where are two types of sealants used? for example, a hole on the ground was drilled, and sealed with one type of sealant, and having discovered a hole in space, sealed with another? Do you mean this? Or are we looking for a trace of the American sealant, because the pressure began to drop gradually until all the sealant was squeezed out of the ship under the skin?
      1. Professor
        Professor 12 December 2018 09: 03
        +1
        If the hole was closed with sealant, then this could only happen on planet Earth.
      2. Avior
        Avior 12 December 2018 09: 06
        +1
        no, it was sealed exactly on the ground, sealed with sealant on the outside of the ship’s hull, but there is no access to this place in space under the heat and meteorite protection that is placed on top of the hull outside, the protection had to be opened and deflected to get to the right place
      3. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 12 December 2018 11: 21
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        "Or looking for a trace of American sealant," ////
        ----
        So far, they have found a black Russian sealant that sealed the OUTSIDE hole.
        The cosmonauts saw a black spot outside - a cap from a "plug-fungus. It remains to investigate whether there was slovenliness in Roscosmos or deliberate sabotage during the installation of the module.
  12. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 12 December 2018 08: 48
    +2
    ... closed up with one type of sealant, and having discovered a hole in space, closed up with another?


    It is necessary to provide in the spare parts self-tapping screws with a press washer and a rubber gasket. Wrapped it in a hole and fly. Very reliable, and if you add a "moment", then generally .... laughing
  13. Avior
    Avior 12 December 2018 09: 03
    -2
    An example of how to write articles is not necessary. nothing to understand from the article.
    Actually, the result of going out into space is the following - a hole was drilled from the inside of the ship and sealed from the outside, but under heat and meteor protection something similar to a two-grade sealant BEFORE the installation of anti-meteor protection and thermal insulation, that is, clearly on Earth during the manufacturing process.
    The outer meteor protection is not damaged, and this clearly excludes that it was done in space.
    Oh, Rogozin, when are you going to apologize to the Americans, are you going for your insinuations? And before the Russian astronauts it would be nice ....
    1. Demon_is_ada
      Demon_is_ada 12 December 2018 09: 34
      +3
      Quote: Avior
      In fact, the result of going into space is the following - a hole was drilled from the inside of the ship and sealed outside

      Not quite right laughing The presence of sealant on the outside is due to two factors
      - the difference in pressure in the housing and outside the housing
      - a temporary factor during hardening, or rather, during the polymerization of the sealant
      Am I not too sophisticated?
      Well, and by the way - while the sealant was still plastic, it was banally pulled into a hole laughing so he ended up outside the casing ... yeah ...
      1. Avior
        Avior 12 December 2018 09: 50
        -1
        unassumingly - you have written stupidity. Are you not offended?
        if they were shut up from the inside, then at least minimal traces from the inside would remain — and everyone would see the photos from the inside — not the slightest trace.
        if it was tightened, it would fly away, and not remain glued on the outside, and even with two different grades of sealant.
        If they shut up in space and the vacuum dragged on, the leak would begin at the very moment when the hole was drilled.
        Now the hole is also sealed with sealant, and nothing is pulled.
        So it’s clear or do you need to write more simply?
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 12 December 2018 15: 11
          +1
          Quote: Avior
          if they were shut up from the inside, then at least minimal traces from the inside would remain — and everyone would see the photos from the inside — not the slightest trace.

          The key word is adhesion. In the polymerization process, adhesion changes.
          And yes, the first "pasting" was blown out. This has been reported.
          1. Avior
            Avior 12 December 2018 15: 42
            -1
            you clearly write do not be shy what is wrong with your adhesion there, you can not even use common banal phrases, but objectively.
            and what kind of first taping that was blown out, and who there reported it.
            in general, so that you understand what you are writing about
        2. Demon_is_ada
          Demon_is_ada 12 December 2018 18: 34
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          Wow, I’m looking at your data directly from orbit bully Are you not Rogozin’s assistant for an hour? Not? belay Ah, I get it, you're a fan of Stanley Kubrick hi Hollywood forever !!! Educated on the couch watching movies ... By the way, the film Testament (Alien, prehistory) was released, so it was touched there, in the episode when the heroine fights on a loading platform in the air with a stranger hitched ... I cried with laughter when they showed the pilot in the moment of the attempt to hold the ship, how it was pulled ... strained ... a song of songs ... straight PE2 at the exit from the dive, there, by the way, on the tidy the place under the leg was blown, Schaub means to rest wassat Well, or the joystick is jammed, well, the button is stuck ... I advise you to like it for sure! There, it’s just about the flight of many-ton colossus into space, though it’s not entirely clear under the influence of what ... but it doesn’t matter, the main thing is the plot of the film, the mood !!! Well that's the lyrics repeat
          Quote: Avior
          if they were shut up from the inside, then at least minimal traces from the inside would remain — and everyone would see the photos from the inside — not the slightest trace.

          And for example, religion does not allow to clean up? Or is such a feint categorically not considered by you?
          Quote: Avior
          if it was tightened, it would fly away, and not remain glued on the outside, and even with two different grades of sealant.

          About flew away, see the movie on my recommendation. Have you ever tried to spray a viscous fluid with pressure? The difference theoretically possible in our case is 1 atm. Try it, learn a lot of interesting things wink This is just the adhesion from the author below ...
          About two varieties of sealant, again the question is in religion, faith and knowledge are not the same thing, rather diametrically opposed and antagonistic ...
          Quote: Avior
          If they shut up in space and the vacuum dragged on, the leak would begin at the very moment when the hole was drilled.

          This is the question above about access to information. tongue
          Well, take an interest in where the holes are glued at the pressure difference, you can ask the Mooreans on which side they put the adhesive on the hole, if it was sealed at the factory laughing
          For me there is no problem to form a fungus from the sealant on the other side and fill up the hole, whiskers like that ...
  14. Avior
    Avior 12 December 2018 09: 13
    -2
    and the title of the article for a specialized site is something.
    it clearly follows from this that a piece with a drilled hole was cut out of the skin and made ventilation from space into the ship laughing
  15. Mestny
    Mestny 12 December 2018 09: 30
    0
    I look at forum horses undermining to the fullest. Well, then - Rogozin and Roscosmos should be to blame, but here they understand they are trying to gather evidence to the contrary.
    Urgent all to fight! It cannot be that it was not the Russians who were to blame.
    1. Metamisolatria
      Metamisolatria 12 December 2018 09: 37
      0
      What other evidence is needed? Keep up with the times: hiley likes are striped and louder ..
    2. Avior
      Avior 12 December 2018 09: 52
      +2
      if you do not understand, they have gathered just irrefutable evidence that the hole was made on the ground during the production of the ship.

      I look at forum horses undermining to the fullest.
  16. loki565
    loki565 12 December 2018 10: 15
    +2
    yeah, I needed special equipment,
    1. Frederick
      Frederick 12 December 2018 11: 05
      +3
      I kept waiting for him to get a grinder and a grinder laughing
  17. Avior
    Avior 12 December 2018 10: 24
    0
    I look at forum horses undermining to the fullest.

    put down the minuses, this is their method of struggle with reality hi
  18. Chicha squad
    Chicha squad 12 December 2018 10: 52
    0
    A fragment of the UN must be shaken now.
    1. Avior
      Avior 12 December 2018 11: 23
      -1
      Rogozin is better to shake
  19. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 12 December 2018 10: 57
    +2
    For the Qualitative investigation, one more step has been taken ... let's see ... any impact leaves traces identifiable by the microparticles of tools and materials ... whose affiliation (Continent ... country) can be established quite accurately ...
    1. Avior
      Avior 12 December 2018 11: 22
      -2
      well yes. you can’t buy them ....
      1. silberwolf88
        silberwolf88 12 December 2018 11: 41
        +1
        If you are familiar with the procurement system for use in Space ... then your question is about nothing ... everything that the Russian side purchased is known ... certified ... and it is clear ... everything that does not look like "OUR" is external peer exposure
        1. Avior
          Avior 12 December 2018 11: 51
          -4
          taking into account the fact that the sealant was applied at the factory, before installing the anti-meteor protection, your argument does not make sense, in my opinion.
          at the station it could not be applied outside for protection
          1. silberwolf88
            silberwolf88 12 December 2018 12: 03
            +4
            this is purely your opinion as a person far from the production of rocket and space technology and material physics in space ... but you have every right to think so))
            1. Avior
              Avior 12 December 2018 12: 06
              -5
              Well, well, a respected expert in this matter will tell you how they applied a sealant in space for meteor protection in space? Waiting, all in attention
              1. silberwolf88
                silberwolf88 12 December 2018 12: 10
                +3
                The expert will wait for the conclusions of the commission ... which I also wish you ... be patient ... and try to choose the areas where you are special ...
                Well, for example, it’s stupid for me to teach the assault company commander battle tactics in the city ... or to talk about the temperature regime of the bow of the hypersonic warhead for strategic nuclear forces ... I have very general ideas about the casing (analogue of Buran tiles) and cooling by evaporating copper alloy ??? (also a mystery) ...
                1. Avior
                  Avior 12 December 2018 12: 17
                  -4
                  Your desires are of little interest to me.
                  especially considering that you don’t understand what you are writing about.
                  1. silberwolf88
                    silberwolf88 12 December 2018 18: 39
                    +1
                    Well, you’re just a light of wisdom ... but it’s not clear what you have to do with the sun ... space technology ... and the subject of discussion ...
                    Yes, and your opinion about anything ... a dummy ... with a claim to ???
  20. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 12 December 2018 11: 04
    0
    And they found out that the hole was covered with a black sealant plug OUTSIDE. Visually there was a "black fungus"
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 12 December 2018 15: 17
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Visually there was a "black fungus"

      And it should have been different?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 12 December 2018 15: 29
        -1
        If they were glued inside, then the outside would have looked different. A neat mushroom cap would not have been created.
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 12 December 2018 15: 30
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          A neat mushroom cap would not have been created.

          You tried?!
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 12 December 2018 15: 31
            -1
            Of course. Everyone has ever worked with sealants.
            1. sogdy
              sogdy 12 December 2018 15: 39
              0
              It's strange. Taki tutorial doesn't even agree with you. The handbook contains data on calculating the "mushroom" depending on the diameter and direction. You can take into account the pressure.
              For most non-solid sealants, there is a decrease in volume during polymerization. Everything can be done flush in a relaxed environment. Blowing out the mushroom requires too much or too little pressure - computable.
              1. Avior
                Avior 12 December 2018 15: 45
                0
                Well, yes, of course, but there were no traces of sealant inside ...
  21. Roman070280
    Roman070280 12 December 2018 11: 36
    0
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    Well, after all, the Americans did not threaten to fall below the lunar surface. And here, if you come off the hoses, then you have an unplanned excursion throughout the universe. And then where to look for this meteorite in a spacesuit?

    Pfff .. When I was repairing a bridge crane from the scaffolding, I fastened it on top .. and I climbed up a steep and swinging staircase up to 30 meters - I thought I’ll lose consciousness right there ..
    And if I "broke away" .. then I would have an "excursion" even much less promising .. I wouldn't even have time to blink, let alone admire the Universe ..

    Any builder running around the edge of a high-rise building when laying floor slabs risks no less risk ..
  22. BAI
    BAI 12 December 2018 12: 04
    -1
    The hole was made at the factory. What's next?
    1. Avior
      Avior 12 December 2018 12: 18
      0
      they will look for a saboteur, otherwise nothing laughing
    2. slipped
      slipped 12 December 2018 14: 48
      0
      Where is this said? On the contrary, after conducting an investigation at the ZEM, it turned out that they did not make a hole there.
      1. Avior
        Avior 12 December 2018 15: 42
        0
        in the article above, the sealant was sealed under protection
    3. silberwolf88
      silberwolf88 12 December 2018 19: 13
      0
      unlikely at the factory ... otherwise depressurization would work at the stage of removal during overloads
  23. Topotun
    Topotun 12 December 2018 15: 33
    0
    Damn, in order to prove - the hole is the machinations of our "partners" men hung out for 8 hours like balloons opening the module shell. God forbid the burr would have pierced the glove of the spacesuit? Dealing with "partners" is getting harder ....
    1. Avior
      Avior 12 December 2018 15: 44
      0
      the peasants did not hang out in vain — they proved that they had made a hole at the factory, and they definitely established that the one who installed the protection could not know about it — the sealant is clearly visible.
      now they will ask him ...
      1. Topotun
        Topotun 12 December 2018 16: 06
        0
        This could well be proved by an investigation at the factory. Well, one person could not do this and no one noticed ...
        1. cast iron
          cast iron 12 December 2018 17: 14
          0
          In order to prove the guilt of the person who pasted the protective fabric on the sealant, FACTS and EVIDENCE are needed. They collected facts and evidence in space. But it is impossible to blame unfounded people. Incidentally, we have not canceled the Criminal Code and the procedure for collecting evidence.
    2. cast iron
      cast iron 12 December 2018 16: 55
      0
      Likbez especially for you. The suit's fabric is aramid. To make you understand, Kevlar is just aramid fabric. Do you need to decrypt further? Is it clear that no burr will ever break through the spacesuit’s kevlavre perchtaku ???
  24. Flatter
    Flatter 12 December 2018 16: 59
    0
    Holes in the toilet are needed if the air filters are ineffective. Someone is tired.
  25. urman
    urman 13 December 2018 15: 34
    -1
    AMERICOS are not always to blame for fools damn it