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Who starved the "non-Soviet" Ukraine?

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At the beginning of 1930, the world economic situation could hardly be called prosperous. America and Europe were overwhelmed by mass unemployment, rising prices, a no less difficult situation was developing in the Soviet Union. It was on 1932-1933. there was a mass famine in the USSR, which in the Western press, and then in the official propaganda of a number of post-Soviet states, was called the Holodomor. When they talk about the Holodomor, they primarily mean the Soviet Ukraine. And the point is not so much in the consequences as in the fact that the modern Ukrainian authorities, with the direct support of the West, actively speculate on those tragic pages in stories country.


Meanwhile, at the beginning of the 1930-s, far from the whole territory of modern Ukraine was part of the Soviet state. So. Poland included modern Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Volyn, Rivne regions, Romania — the Chernivtsi region and part of the territory of the modern Odessa region, and Czechoslovakia — the Zakarpattia region. Thus, the territory of modern Ukraine was divided between four states - the Soviet Union, Poland, Romania and Czechoslovakia.



The socioeconomic situation in Western Ukraine at the beginning of the 1930s was much worse than the average in Poland, aided by the general backwardness of these territories compared to Polish lands, and less attention to their problems from the Polish leadership. Yes, Lviv was considered by the Poles as the third largest Polish city after Warsaw and Krakow, but in the villages inhabited by the Hutsul (Ukrainian) population, there was absolute poverty.

In the 1932 year, according to Polish newspapers, 88,6% of farms were starving in the Hutsul region, moreover, in the Kosiv district the hunger swept across 40 villages, in the Nadvirnyansky district — 12 villages, in the Kolomiya district — 10 villages. People literally swelled with hunger and died right on rural roads. It was possible to meet both young and old, and children wallowing on the roads in a dying state. Those who could still walk tried to go to other villages in search of food.

In Kalush province, entire families are completely dying of starvation. Against this background, typhoid fever and tuberculosis spread, which mowed down the local population even more. There were absolutely wild cases. For example, in Zdunska Volya, a peasant tried to sell his eighteen-year-old son at the fair in order to save the rest of the family.

This is not a fiction of the Soviet propaganda of those years, but information from numerous notes and articles in Polish newspapers. Western newspapers were aware of the terrible famine in western Ukraine. So, the newspaper “Ukraine's Good News”, published in the USA by Ukrainian immigrants, wrote:

In rural homes are entire families who are swollen from hunger. From the village to the village there are crowds of frozen, hungry Hutsuls who ask for bread and potatoes. Young people and old people die from spotted typhus ...


But how could it happen that entire territories of Western Ukraine were in such a depressing situation?

Firstly, the Polish government banned the Hutsuls of the mountainous regions of Western Ukraine from engaging in their usual timber business, which in the lean year completely deprived the peasants of their livelihood.

Secondly, since the government of Poland pursued a policy of discrimination against the Ukrainian population of Galicia and Volhynia, it did not render any real assistance to the starving Gutsuls.

The discriminatory policy of the Polish government towards Ukrainians has been carried out ever since the lands of Volyn and Galicia became part of Poland. The main goal of this policy was the Polonization of Eastern Galicia, Volyn, Kholmshchyna, Podlasie, and other Polish territories, where ethnic Ukrainians (Hutsuls, Galicians) made up a significant part of the population. It was planned either to assimilate and dissolve Ukrainians in the Polish people, or to squeeze those who do not want to assimilate outside the country.

Warsaw combined military-police, cultural and economic methods of discrimination against the Ukrainian population. Thus, the number of Ukrainian schools was constantly reduced, of which more than 77% were teachers were Poles, all the main literature was published in Polish. Polish intelligence agencies thoroughly suppressed any attempts at political self-organization of Ukrainians, but the latter still created nationalist groups, who immediately became objects of police repression. But hunger, of course, was most influenced by economic methods.

As early as December 1920, a special decree was issued on the colonization of lands inhabited by Ukrainians in eastern Poland. According to this decree, it was intended to resettle Poles, mostly former soldiers of the Polish Army, who are essentially military settlers. During the 1920-1928. in Volyn and Polesye Poles received 260 thousand hectares of land. They were settled more than 20 thousands of Polish military settlers, who were not only to engage in agriculture, but also to protect the Polish state interests on the eastern borders of the country.

In addition to the military settlers, 60 thousands of civilian colonists arrived in Western Belarus, Western Ukraine and Eastern Lithuania who were under Polish control. In total, 1920 thousands of hectares of land were allocated to Polish settlers during the 600s. Usually one Polish family received a plot of land in the amount of 18-24 per hectare, sometimes more, but not more than 45 hectares.

Throughout 1919 — 1929, 77, thousands of Polish insurgents, received Warsaw, sending settlers to the east, killing two birds with one stroke. On the one hand, it eliminated social tensions in Poland itself, endowing the Poles with lands in the east and reducing overpopulation in certain voivodships. On the other hand, on the border with the Soviet Union, an impressively large number of Polish population was formed, which was to fulfill the task of assimilating the surrounding Ukrainian or Belarusian population.

Meanwhile, Western Ukraine was already resettled, and local peasants suffered from landlessness. Under these conditions, the emergence of a large number of immigrants from Poland directly beat the economic interests of Ukrainians. But it was impossible to reach the Polish government. Polish settlers themselves demonstrated extreme hostility towards the Ukrainian population, often it came to domestic conflicts on economic grounds, and the Polish authorities, of course, always took the side of ethnic Poles.

It should be noted that not all Poles were engaged in self-cultivation of land, many began to lease it. Landless Ukrainians lost their last earning opportunities in the field of agriculture. There was no work in the cities either, and the peasants from the deaf Galician villages did not possess the proper qualifications for working in urban enterprises, which in the agrarian Galicia and Volyn were not so much.

For many residents of Galicia and Volhynia, the only way out of this situation was emigration to European countries, to the USA and Canada. But it was easy for young and active people to leave; the majority of Ukrainians still remained in their villages. They constituted the main part of the famine victims in the territories controlled by Poland.

It is worth noting that the situation in Transcarpathia, which during the described events was part of Czechoslovakia, was no easier. Unlike the Polish authorities, the Czechoslovak government was much more liberal in relation to the local Transcarpathian Rusyns, but the economic situation of the latter was also extremely difficult.

In an interview with an American journalist, a resident of Transcarpathia told me that in mountainous districts whole families did not see any other food for months, except for a few semi-rotten potatoes and a small amount of oatmeal bread. In the villages of Transcarpathia, an epidemic of tuberculosis and typhoid began, some villages simply became extinct.

The situation was not the best in areas under Romanian rule. Here, the local Slavic population also faced national oppression from the Romanian authorities, who followed a radical nationalist policy towards all non-Romanian national minorities of the kingdom.

Who starved the "non-Soviet" Ukraine?


Among the main reasons for the famine in Romania, in addition to crop failures, were natural disasters, for example, severe flooding that led to human casualties in Bessarabia and even to the cessation of the railway connection between Chisinau and Bucharest, Bucovina and Poland.

Soviet agronomists in 1932 wrote about a real rust epidemic. The center of its occurrence was the Balkan Peninsula, where at that time it was a very hot summer. From the Balkans, through Romania, the rust epidemic was transferred to Ukraine, including its eastern and southern regions, as well as to the south of the RSFSR. Central Europe has not escaped rust. Thus, in Germany, as a result of an epidemic of rust in some lands, up to 80% of the crop was lost. This led to a serious increase in the price of bread and, consequently, to an increase in social discontent. But if in the countries of Western and Central Europe, due to the level of development of the economies, the consequences of crop failure were still coped, in the agrarian countries of Eastern Europe the situation was much worse.

Romanian newspapers wrote about the real famine in Bessarabia, the famine riots in Chisinau. So, in November 1932, the price of bread in Chisinau soared 100%. For many Moldovan families, this was a crushing blow to the flimsy family budgets. Hundreds of starving people rushed to the storming of the bakeries, the police, unable to disperse the people, opened fire to kill.

In Tekinshita, lepers escaped from a local hospital because they were not fed for a week. The patients went on foot to Bucharest, but a detachment of Romanian gendarmerie came forward to intercept them - the authorities tried to prevent the situation in the capital from escalating.

Thus, the position of the peasant population was disastrous in Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Romania. At the same time, while in the Soviet Union, the authorities tried by all means to improve the situation of the population, and people still had hope of changing the situation, then in these countries there were practically no ways to avoid poverty and even starvation. And the local authorities conducted an extremely unfriendly policy towards the Ukrainian population, which was based on the desire to completely cleanse the territories under their control from Ukrainians as such.

However, the beginning of 1930-s hit the working people in all parts of the world very hard. Workers demonstrations were held all over the world, authorities tightened the police regime, shot demonstrators with machine guns, and dissenters arrested and imprisoned and concentration camps. It was the economic crisis of the beginning of the 1930-s that was one of the reasons for the dramatic “re-establishment” of many political regimes in Europe, the opening of fascist parties and movements in a number of European countries.

Of course, modern historians and publicists, "exposing" the Soviet government, that in the beginning of the 1930-s in the West, prefer to remain silent. After all, this information does not fit into the diligently created picture of the "horrors" of Soviet power and prosperous life in the United States, Western Europe, or the same Poland and Czechoslovakia. But the sources have not gone away and all you need to do is turn to the Polish, Czechoslovak, Romanian, Hungarian or even American and British newspapers of those years to understand the scale of the terrible famine that swept through the 1931-1932 years. Eastern Europe.
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  1. jonht
    jonht 12 December 2018 05: 29
    +4
    Their memory is short, but the language is painfully long ....
    The first can not be fixed, but on the second - it's time to chop off ...
    1. Basil50
      Basil50 12 December 2018 07: 37
      +18
      This is not a long language.
      In the USA there was also hunger and death from starvation, but there everyone who was considered * starving * was assigned to forced labor, with beggarly pay. From statistical reports disappeared from 7 to 11 million people.
      In England, found a way out in the robbery of the colonies and the sale of extra fellow citizens to Australia.
      But today, remembering about it * is not fashionable *.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 20 December 2018 10: 52
        0
        This did not disappear, but the statistical difference between the expected and the fact. population size. Expected is estimated on the previous. years. That is, people did not necessarily die, they could leave, not give birth, etc.
  2. Conductor
    Conductor 12 December 2018 06: 47
    -1
    Why toil then for them.
  3. thinker
    thinker 12 December 2018 06: 56
    +10
    modern historians and publicists “exposing” Soviet power

    "The loudest shouting - KEEP THE THIEF - the thief himself" (Russian proverb)!
  4. Adjutant
    Adjutant 12 December 2018 06: 57
    +3
    The Holodomor is a terrible thing, wherever. A number of regions of the USSR are affected.
    Kazakhstan suffered the most by the way
    1. Bolo
      Bolo 12 December 2018 08: 51
      +21
      Another "hurt me the most." Have you read the article or is there a famine in your brain? How to determine which of the people was more tormented by dying of hunger? And I will say that my beloved Volga region suffered the most from the famine. Do not be an idiot! Victims of hunger are our common pain, and the one who screams that he suffered the most is a scoundrel and scum!
      1. pin_code
        pin_code 12 December 2018 10: 35
        +8
        so you shout, and at the same time insult people, there was hunger almost throughout the country, and Ukraine and the RSFSR, and Kzakhstan. My great-grandmother starved to death in Kurgan.
  5. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 12 December 2018 06: 59
    +13
    Thanks to the author for the addition in exposing the myth of the "Holodomor" of Ukrainians as a nation.
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 13 December 2018 14: 14
      +3
      Photos to the topic, very to the topic, well, very. Look at them carefully. In the last photo, the dying are among, take a closer look. among the vineyard and not very small, and they do not look much like the starving. The boy is barefoot but quite reference. Woman is that blood with milk. A man at the parade, at the parade, in shoes and smokes a cigarette very expensive. The hut in the background is a shed for storing everything. Yes, and my grandfather sat there in the rubble not to grunt. The first photo with the dying is a masterpiece !!!!!!!!!!!. Do you see a man sitting in the center with a laptop? This is a time traveler, they said so on rent. This is actually a photograph of a working artist !!!!!!!!!!! Dying Ukrainians are foreign, they are sitters. The guy has a very interesting tool in his hands, a wheeled lyre. This picture I saw somewhere. Tolley Wandering musicians, or poor musicians called a picture. By the way, our artist is Russian, who does not know.
  6. Olgovich
    Olgovich 12 December 2018 07: 33
    -19
    However, the beginning of the 1930s hit the working people very strongly in all parts of the world.

    But MILLIONS have not died anywhere, there has been no corpse eating and cannibalism anywhere.

    Raising such a topic, the author should cite official documents, figures, and not propaganda from left-wing newspapers.

    The same western regions of Ukraine mentioned by the author entered the USSR. WHERE are Soviet official investigations of these events? Ah ... no them. Nothing to talk about.

    The same applies to the mentioned Bessarabia: it was hungry, but did not die. If the author knew the topic, he could write about LIVING tens of thousands peasants from MASSR, where they really died of hunger thousands of, to Bessarabia in 1932-33,

    So, for example, during only three months of 1932, the Dniester passed 1300 families (more than 4500 people). Many of them were killed during the crossing of the river. The execution of peasants on the Dniester near the village of Olestesti was especially cruel. On February 23, 1932, peasants from the MASSR, trying to cross the Dniester into Bessarabia, fell under the bullets of Soviet border guards. Only forty people were killed, dozens were injured.

    Such a different kind of famine along the banks of one river ...
    1. solzh
      solzh 12 December 2018 09: 06
      +18
      Quote: Olgovich
      Raising such a topic, the author should cite official documents, figures, and not propaganda from left-wing newspapers.

      Have you cited official documents in your comment? No. You used the propaganda of the white emigrant traitors Judas, who, for the sake of their Western masters, were ready to carry any nonsense about the USSR.

      But back to the article. I always did not understand why, when they write about hunger in the USSR, they do not affect hunger in the territory of the Russian Empire in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The famine of those times was perhaps more terrible than the famine in the USSR.
      The all-Russian famine of 1891 swept more than 40 million people, of whom more than 2 million adults, only Russians, died, according to official figures, other nations in those years were not covered at all by statistics.
      In the years 1900-1903, the same 40 million people fell hunger, 3 million adults died. In 1911, after the reforms of Stolypin, 30 million people fell hunger, then another 2 million adults died. In total, only 17 to 19 million adults died in the Russian Empire from starvation, disease, epidemics. I have no data on infant mortality during the period of imperial famines. But it can be assumed that infant mortality during hunger was much higher than adult mortality.
      1. flavus
        flavus 12 December 2018 09: 16
        -23
        Quote: solzh
        In the years 1900-1903, the same 40 million people fell hunger, 3 million adults died. In 1911, after the reforms of Stolypin, 30 million people fell hunger, then another 2 million adults died.

        You don’t confuse warm with soft - it’s one thing when people died due to crop failure, illness and bad weather, and it’s quite another when death comes from starvation that arose because the Bolsheviks took away all the grain from people and sent abroad, peasant households were ruined by driving people into collective farms.
        In the first case - the will of God, in the second - there are specific names and surnames of the perpetrators.
        1. naidas
          naidas 12 December 2018 14: 27
          +8
          In 1932, a severe epidemic of rust hit all of Eastern Europe. Outbreaks of rust were recorded in East Prussia, Pomerania, Silesia, in the district of Hanover, Bavaria. Research in Germany showed that rust losses reached 40-80%, a level that had never been recorded before.
          According to the calculations of the Soviet agronomist P.K. Artemov, losses from rust and smut in the USSR in 1932 reached 9 million tons of grain. Rust also damaged part of the crop in 1933, but the infection was less severe.
          Moreover, the grain procurement plan for 1932 was significantly less than in previous and subsequent years of the decade. In fact, the total volume of alienation of grain from the village through all channels (procurement, purchase at market prices, the collective farm market) decreased in 1932-1933 by about 20% compared with previous years. The volume of grain exports decreased from 5,2 million tons in 1931 to 1,73 million tons in 1932 and 1,68 million tons in 1933.
          Suppose you exaggerate the role of the Bolsheviks in the famine of 1932, especially in countries such as Poland, Romania, the Czech Republic
          1. flavus
            flavus 12 December 2018 14: 40
            -14
            Quote: naidas

            In 1932, a severe epidemic of rust hit all of Eastern Europe.

            Grandmother told how they organized a commune in the village - they built a big house, gathered all livestock and supplies there, who had what, and started eating, drinking and playing balalaika.
            When the grub ended, the commune disintegrated.
            This is a similar "rust epidemic" that struck the USSR from the very beginning of collectivization.
            Quote: naidas
            Suppose you exaggerate the role of the Bolsheviks in the famine of 1932, especially in countries such as Poland, Romania, the Czech Republic

            I am not at all interested in these states. I never heard that the USSR was equal to Romania. But for the sake of interest tell me - how many millions died there from starvation? Well, hundreds of thousands at least?
            1. naidas
              naidas 12 December 2018 15: 11
              +6
              Quote: Flavus
              how many millions died there from starvation?

              Well, we don’t know how many died, while the population was growing during the Holodomor (statistics), but in Romania there were two hundred million less.
            2. goose
              goose 12 December 2018 17: 26
              +5
              Quote: Flavus
              But for the sake of interest tell me - how many millions died there from starvation? Well, hundreds of thousands at least?

              If statistics were not kept, this does not mean that no one was dying. Read how often censuses were conducted in Europe.
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 13 December 2018 11: 56
            -7
            Quote: naidas
            crop losses from rust reached 40-80%, the level. According to the calculations of the Soviet agronomist P.K. Artemov, losses from rust and smut in the USSR in 1932 reached 9 million tons of grain.

            You should at least study your leader so that you don’t carry nonsense:,:
            January 11, 1933 "What is the main shortcoming of our work in the countryside in the last year, in 1932?

            The main drawback is that grain procurements this year were more difficult for us than in the previous year than in 1931.

            There is no way to explain this with the poor state of the crop, because the harvest we had this year is not worse, but better than the previous year. No one can deny that the gross harvest of bread in 1932 was greater than in 1931
            in 1932 there was bread in our country more than in 1931 year.


            Lied, of course. But this played a terrible role: calculated indicators were knocked out of the peasants from a theoretical crop, which was not in reality and was not in sight, i.e. they took everything.
            in the same place:
            And this mistake was made not only by workers on collective farms. She was also admitted by directors of state farms, which, criminally holding state-controlled bread
            the "criminals" tried to survive .....

            Note the date: January 33 g, i.e. starvation raged in full force, and their one concern is to take everything ....
            1. naidas
              naidas 13 December 2018 19: 17
              +2
              Olgovich enough to make fun of at least read - Speech at the joint plenum of the Central Committee and Central Control Commission of the CPSU (B.) January 11, 1933, there is about the collective farm trade in bread and how the Communists act in this matter.
              Quote: Olgovich
              Note the date: January 33 g,

              Indeed, in 1931, the crop decreased — starvation and migration from villages began in 1932, the crop in 1932 was more than 1931, and as a result of 1933 the situation was less critical than in 1932.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 14 December 2018 07: 57
                -2
                Quote: naidas

                Olgovich enough to make fun of at least read - Speech at the joint plenum of the Central Committee and Central Control Commission of the CPSU (B.) January 11, 1933, there is about the collective farm trade in bread and how the Communists act in this matter.

                What are you about? You are given the words of the leader that the harvest is 32 g NOT LOWER THAN 31 yearswhen no one is from hunger didn't die. .
                But after the harvest of 32 g, MILLIONS died.

                From what?
                Quote: naidas
                Indeed, in 1931, the crop decreased — starvation and migration from villages began in 1932, the crop in 1932 was more than 1931, and as a result of 1933 the situation was less critical than in 1932.


                ONCE AGAIN: after the harvest of 31 g, NOBODY died, it was enough.
                1. naidas
                  naidas 15 December 2018 17: 40
                  +1
                  Olgovich, you must first sow the bread, then remove, thresh, bake and sell:
                  Consequently, the harvest of 1931 was eaten in 1932 (until the fall), there was little bread, at the end of the fall of 1931 it was eaten, the famine began in 1932, and the harvest of 1932 — mostly in 1933 — there was no longer such a famine.
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  after the harvest of 31 g, NOBODY died, it was enough

                  Yeah, enough so there is and there was nothing to sow in 1932.
      2. Gopnik
        Gopnik 12 December 2018 12: 33
        -1
        Quote: solzh
        The all-Russian famine of 1891 swept more than 40 million people, of which, according to official figures, more than 2 million adults were only Russians, other nations did not cover statistics at all in those years.
        In the years 1900-1903, the same 40 million people fell hunger, 3 million adults died. In 1911, after the reforms of Stolypin, 30 million people fell hunger, then another 2 million adults died. In total, only 17 to 19 million adults died in the Russian Empire from starvation, disease, epidemics.


        And where is your "official data" confirming this nonsense?
      3. Olgovich
        Olgovich 13 December 2018 11: 29
        -5
        Quote: solzh
        Have you cited official documents in your comment? No.

        They are listed MILLION times: archival documents of the GARF and other archives with reports of the NKVD, OGPU, etc., on MASS hungry deaths, cannibalism, and carcassing. There is an official document of the State Duma.

        What does the author and you have similar? NOTHING.
        Quote: solzh
        But back to the article. I always did not understand why, when they write about hunger in the USSR, they do not affect hunger in the territory of the Russian Empire in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The famine of those times was perhaps more terrible than the famine in the USSR.

        Illiterate nonsense. But it’s not spontaneous because you don’t know the question.
        Quote: solzh
        The all-Russian famine of 1891 swept more than 40 million people, of which, according to official figures, more than 2 million adults were only Russians, other nations did not cover statistics at all in those years.

        The most stupid lie, which even SOVIET "scientists" historians and propagandists were ashamed to write. NONE of them wrote that.
        Quote: solzh
        In the years 1900-1903, the same 40 million people fell hunger, 3 million adults died. In 1911, after the reforms of Stolypin, 30 million people fell hunger, then another 2 million adults died. In total, only 17 to 19 million adults died in the Russian Empire from starvation, disease, epidemics. I have no data on infant mortality during the period of imperial famines. But it can be assumed that infant mortality during hunger was much higher than adult mortality.

        The most stupid lie, which even SOVIET "scientists" historians and propagandists were ashamed to write. NONE of them wrote that.

        No links, nothing, one CHAPTER,
    2. zena-iva
      zena-iva 12 December 2018 09: 12
      +15
      And where is your confirmation of cannibalism and corpse-eating, millions? And why did you decide that this was not the case in Europe and the United States? You confirm your arguments with the words "really" ??? And why did the USSR have to investigate the circumstances that happened in other countries? You just have a fad on justifying the actions of other countries and accusing the USSR. So what about "agitation" - it's you yourself.
      1. flavus
        flavus 12 December 2018 09: 19
        -13
        Quote: zena-iva

        And where is your confirmation of cannibalism and cadaverism, millions?

        You to read the letter to Sholokhov to Stalin. There is enough evidence.
        Quote: zena-iva
        And why did you decide that this was not the case in Europe and the USA?

        Whom does Europe and the USA shake if you are building the most advanced society on the planet? If you have the same problems as in the USA and even big ones, then why did you take power?
        You promised peace to the peoples and dragged the people into a war with 30 million victims. You promised land to the peasants and drove people into collective farms and communes. Naturally, the workers did not receive factories either.
        1. zena-iva
          zena-iva 12 December 2018 09: 27
          +21
          Sholokhov's letters? Seriously??? mdya ... or maybe you read other letters, where else is written? Who and what sways - what kind of reasoning is this? If you live like a fish without being interested in anything, then there should not be anything to sway, including this topic, so why are you writing about it? You have a desire to throw dirt at the Bolsheviks ???? And forgive others all ??? Yes, the Bolsheviks built the best society on the planet and there were problems - do not know where? World War I, intervention and civil war. The economic blockade of the USSR. The Bolsheviks actually began to build a better society in very difficult conditions. The banditry and sabotage organized by the West also played a vile role. It’s a shame to write such nonsense, blocking off the West. And yet it is impossible not to note that the United States forgives you all, and in the USSR - yapping, presenting inappropriate and super-possible demands))) Someone is brainwashed.
          1. flavus
            flavus 12 December 2018 09: 34
            -18
            Quote: zena-iva
            Yes, the Bolsheviks built the best society on the planet and there were problems - do not know where?

            The reason is obvious - because of the Bolsheviks. The cause of the ills of a person suffering from a plague is the plague.
            Quote: zena-iva
            World War I, intervention and civil war. Economic blockade of the USSR

            If people gathered to strangle all the capitalists, it is difficult to expect that they will have an excellent economic situation and everyone will love them.
            The Bolsheviks opposed themselves to the rest of the world and dragged the people into a terrible adventure. Hence all the problems.
            If a person does not know how to behave in society, then this is not a problem for society.
            If you want to break the neighbor’s head and rob him, then you need to understand that he is unlikely to contribute to this.
            1. zena-iva
              zena-iva 12 December 2018 10: 33
              +18
              Yes, I understood. The Bolsheviks had to work a miracle, and the capitalist power of the West can behave as it pleases. The problems in the USSR are due to the Bolsheviks, but we will not talk about the problems of the West. "Breaking your head and robbing" is precisely the actions of the West in relation to the USSR. "Opposing yourself to the whole world" is the behavior of the West. "Were going to strangle all the capitalists" - capitalists regularly kill millions of people, let's forgive them, right?))) Capitalists cannot be criticized ???? Can't analyze the problems of the capitalist world? The Bolsheviks were not going to "strangle" all the capitalists, it was the capitalists who declared war on them, since the building of a socialist society is a threat to the capitalist parasitic existence. The Bolsheviks wanted to build a just society, where there are no classes and estates, where there are no rich and poor, where the quality of life is ensured for everyone, not a small group. Your reasoning that an excellent economic condition can only be under capitalism is the stinginess of mind and knowledge. And the cherry on the cake of your reasoning: the Bolsheviks are long gone, why is the trouble multiplying in the world? where are the wars and starving people from? where is the economic prosperity in the world? Where do world crises come from? Why is crime on the rise? Addiction? Human trafficking ... and children ??? Yes, brainwashed is serious. You are just a finished product - an obedient member of a herd that is run by capitalists)))
          2. Konstantin Shevchenko
            Konstantin Shevchenko 12 December 2018 16: 21
            -7
            The banditry and sabotage organized by the West also played a vile role.
            That was until 1917 for sure. A striking example is the search by revolutionaries for the chief engineer of the construction of the railway ring of Moscow. Strikes in factories, generally a running service to Western capitalism. And who is blocking the west? And, it’s very cool that they forget Trotsky completely connected with the West. But the October Revolution can be called the Bronstein Revolution.
        2. naidas
          naidas 12 December 2018 14: 35
          +10
          Quote: Flavus
          You read the letters to Stalin Sholokhov read

          Did you read Stalin’s answer to Sholokhov?
          From the answer of Stalin to Sholokhov.

          “Dear farmers in your area (and not only in your area) carried out“ Italian ”, sabotage and were not averse to leaving the workers, the Red Army without bread. The fact that sabotage was quiet and seemingly harmless (without blood) does not change the fact that respected farmers essentially waged a “quiet war” with the Soviet regime. The war of starvation, dear comrade Sholokhov .... But it’s still clear, like God's day, that respected farmers are not as harmless people as it may seem from afar. ”
          Yes, Stalin is definitely a monster, he is accused of starving himself (yes this is true 58), and he writes letters.
          1. flavus
            flavus 12 December 2018 14: 59
            -11
            Quote: naidas
            O respected farmers, in effect, waged a “quiet war” with the Soviet regime

            That's right - respected farmers and there is nothing to love the Soviet regime. Why on earth should they give away their property for nothing, to hell with whom?
            Why should a Russian peasant give his grain to the needs of the German, Hungarian and even hell knows what "comrades"?
            If the authorities cannot provide the army and workers with normal measures, or motivate the population to do so, then the most correct thing is to lay down their powers. And it was better not to take them.
            You will probably tell us now that it was necessary to do industrialization, that the enemy was standing at the gates and other blah blah blah.
            I already wrote - the fact that the enemy was standing at the gates is solely the merit of the Bolsheviks, who turned the entire world community against themselves. Well, except for Mongolia and Afghanistan.
            1. naidas
              naidas 12 December 2018 15: 05
              +2
              I completely agree with you, I don’t want to pay taxes, but I can’t do anything, I’m crying, can you share what to do?
              1. flavus
                flavus 12 December 2018 15: 10
                -8
                Quote: naidas
                I completely agree with you, so I do not want to pay taxes

                Taxes in our country are very low, no one is exiled in the steppe of Kazakhstan for non-payment, there are no facts of cannibalism from hunger either.
                If taxes are so annoying, I can advise you to work better and work harder.
                1. naidas
                  naidas 12 December 2018 15: 41
                  +1
                  Well, they don’t starve at our place, I don’t want to share our stuff at all times, and I think I’m leaving the second one, the children have grown up. manual labor, became mechanical)
        3. Prosha
          Prosha 12 December 2018 20: 38
          +6
          You to read the letter to Sholokhov to Stalin. There are enough confirmations

          For starters, I read your posts, in one you write
          because the Bolsheviks took away all the grain from the people and sent them abroad
          in another
          Grandmother told how they organized a commune in the village - they built a big house, gathered all livestock and supplies there, who had what, and started eating, drinking and playing balalaika.

          So the Bolsheviks took everything away or did the grandmother and the commune eat everything and then starve ????
          Now the archival data is not secret, you can, if you ask yourself a question to understand the topic of conversation yourself. Well, if you are lazy yourself, there are historians who are confused by this issue and in their opinion not everything is so "harmonious" not only the Bolsheviks are to blame, but the cunning peasants themselves, who killed the grain in order to sell it at a higher price later, but take it and destroy it, and in some cases, and there was no one to sell, because people did not have any money, and in some cases there were no people left ... Hunger, unlike liberals, does not choose its victims - people die regardless of their beliefs and the color of flags.

          No, you are an amazing individual
          the enemy stood at the gates, this is solely the merit of the Bolsheviks, who turned the entire world community against themselves

          And before that, Russia set up the gentry to go to Moscow, and then turned Bonaparte against itself, and then England and France in the Crimea, to listen to you, we ourselves are to blame for all attacks on Russia, once we surrendered to the winner and stopped attacking us , and that we all opposed ourselves (just like with rape - she's to blame) (((((...
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 13 December 2018 12: 00
        -4
        Quote: zena-iva

        And where is your confirmation of cannibalism and cadaverism, millions?

        GARF, archives of the FSB, etc. GOSARHIVY, statement of the State Duma of the Russian Federation.
        What do you have from the documents? Just chatter.
        Quote: zena-iva
        And why did you decide that this was not the case in Europe and the USA?

        Because there are NO documents or visions, NOTHING
        Quote: zena-iva
        And why was the USSR supposed to investigate circumstances that occurred in other countries?

        It was HIS HIS country, and much was investigated, but then nothing was found.
        Quote: zena-iva
        You just have a fad on justifying the actions of other countries and accusing the USSR. So what about "agitation" - it's you yourself.

        Your chatter against DOCUMENTS is zero.
    3. naidas
      naidas 12 December 2018 14: 01
      +4
      Quote: Olgovich
      While you are taking data from modern resources (one from the Netherlands (https://studbooks.net) and another Germany (http://www.allinhistory.ru)) here are the campaigns from newspapers of that time.

      The Romanian edition "Proletar" on 09.04.32 wrote: "The Romanian, Austrian, Hungarian and Ukrainian newspapers reported on the mass mortality of the population due to starvation in boyar Romania."

      Vein. 09.01.32/XNUMX/XNUMX The newspaper "Bessarabskaya Pochta", published in Russian in Chisinau, wrote: "Bessarabia has gone through two hungry years over the last five years."

      Vein. 07.11.32, "Dimineatsa". It is reported from Bucharest: "The hunger riots in Chisinau do not stop. In November, the price of bread increased by 100%, however, it disappeared from the market. A crowd of several hundred people stormed the bakeries; it was dispersed by the police, there are wounded. In Tekinshite" the sick lepers escaped from the hospital because they had not been given food for a week. They went on a hunger campaign to Bucharest, and gendarmerie detachments were sent against them. "
      And look at the map: the village of Olăneşti from the west of the Dniester, your peasants have gone east to get to the west. (Difficult maneuver)
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 12 December 2018 18: 46
        +4
        Quote: naidas
        Quote: Olgovich
        While you are taking data from modern resources (one from the Netherlands (https://studbooks.net) and another Germany (http://www.allinhistory.ru)) here are the campaigns from newspapers of that time.

        The Romanian edition "Proletar" on 09.04.32 wrote: "The Romanian, Austrian, Hungarian and Ukrainian newspapers reported on the mass mortality of the population due to starvation in boyar Romania."

        Vein. 09.01.32/XNUMX/XNUMX The newspaper "Bessarabskaya Pochta", published in Russian in Chisinau, wrote: "Bessarabia has gone through two hungry years over the last five years."

        Vein. 07.11.32, "Dimineatsa". It is reported from Bucharest: "The hunger riots in Chisinau do not stop. In November, the price of bread increased by 100%, however, it disappeared from the market. A crowd of several hundred people stormed the bakeries; it was dispersed by the police, there are wounded. In Tekinshite" the sick lepers escaped from the hospital because they had not been given food for a week. They went on a hunger campaign to Bucharest, and gendarmerie detachments were sent against them. "
        And look at the map: the village of Olăneşti from the west of the Dniester, your peasants have gone east to get to the west. (Difficult maneuver)

        My father studied at a Romanian gymnasium in the late 30s and early 40s. Poverty was unreal. On vacation in the Odessa region, I ate.
        1. Severski
          Severski 13 December 2018 00: 30
          0
          The border was strictly guarded. The transition from the USSR to Romania and back was prohibited. Violators were shot. What Odessa region did he eat up on?
          My grandfather is from Bessarabia. In the 30s there was no famine. Hunger was there in 46-47 years.
      2. Severski
        Severski 13 December 2018 00: 26
        -1
        These were editions of the communist party which was illegal in Romania. They wrote what the Comintern would tell them. So this is the usual Bolshevik propaganda, because people constantly fled to Bessarabia.
      3. Olgovich
        Olgovich 14 December 2018 09: 07
        -1
        Quote: naidas
        Romanian Edition "Proletar" 09.04.32/XNUMX/XNUMX wrote:


        Who is interested in the LEFT NEWSLETTER?
        Submit DOCUMENTS Sigurans, City Hall, Police 0 HUNGER DIES in Bessarabia, Poland, Austria, etc. When you find, come.

        But about death and cannibalism across the Dniester River, in Ukraine, such documents of the OGPU are THOUSAND.
        Quote: naidas
        and look at the map: the village of Olăneşti from the west of the Dniester, your peasants went east to get to the west. (difficult maneuver)

        belay lol
        Learn what the preposition "U" means in Russian. Maybe it will come, which means the expression "Near the village of Olenesti"
        1. naidas
          naidas 15 December 2018 17: 35
          +1
          Quote: Olgovich
          expression "Near the village of Olenesti"

          Here "y" do not approach, this is the territory of Romania, rather to (on, in the direction of) the village of Olenesti while this is the most significant episode of border crossing. By 1935, the population of the autonomy was 615 people (the same as before the famine). And compare Romania lost much more inhabitants at the same time (in the USSR, the population even grew).
        2. naidas
          naidas 15 December 2018 17: 57
          +1
          Quote: Olgovich
          Who is interested in the LEFT NEWSLETTER?

          Are you talking about the Austrian newspaper Dimineatsa ", I wonder if the Washington Post according to Olgovich is also a leftist newspaper?
    4. EvilLion
      EvilLion 20 December 2018 10: 57
      0
      Oh, my friend Bulkohrust went screaming like they hadn’t died anywhere except the USSR. Tell me, at least 500 p. pay for it?

      WHERE are Soviet official investigations of these events?


      And what should the USSR investigate? What did people starve and die there? Well, this is not a crime, this is the reality of those years, then the peasants periodically starve. You, fool, even poked a nose into a local newspaper, everyone already knew what was happening there. It’s just that they died less often in the USSR, because there was help from the state, and after 1933 the famine in the USSR was eliminated. Completely.
  7. Morozov
    Morozov 12 December 2018 08: 40
    -6
    Yeah ... hunger does not divide people on a national basis. As for Soviet Russia, it was very informative to read reports of the NKVD employees on cannibalism in areas where famine erupted, namely in the Volga region, the territory of present-day Chuvashia. Scary time.
    1. zena-iva
      zena-iva 12 December 2018 09: 13
      +8
      What reports did you read? The terrible time is now when lies are spreading, and people believe him without thinking.
      1. Morozov
        Morozov 12 December 2018 09: 30
        -6
        Here we, the townsfolk, are specifically fooled. Well, nothing, with your help we will figure it out. The truth is ...
        http://portal.rusarchives.ru/publication/hunger-ussr/index.shtml
        1. zena-iva
          zena-iva 12 December 2018 10: 39
          +8
          Yes, fake sites with big names are proof)))) they only prove one thing - brainwashing. But the question is: there are many pages on the Internet where the legend of the Holodomor and collectivization is refuted as its cause ... but you are only reading these pages that "expose" the Bolsheviks ... about the famine in the USA, England, Germany, Poland, etc. .d. don't you read? not interested? there was no collectivization, no Bolsheviks. What's wrong with you? Are you incapable of accepting information other than Goebbels' yellow propaganda against the Bolsheviks? so want to blame them for everything and .... rejoice in the enrichment of the capitalists? is not at all interested in reality, only invented "crimes" the Bolsheviks are outraged? Children who died about the US blockade in Iraq are not interested in the DPRK? Murdered children of Libya, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq - also no pity? Well ... that's what it's called - brainwashed.
          1. Morozov
            Morozov 13 December 2018 01: 09
            -6
            Yes Yes. The archives give us a "fake" reality because it is not associated with our personal experience. But your comment is what you need, the very information that the reader is able to receive. It's all up to the heap .... Gebels, Bolsheviks, capitalists, dead children of the DPRK, calls for pity (and I just regret the dead peasants of the Volga region and in general all the working people). Well, in general, it was very interesting, but I ... did not understand anything from your tirade, only one thing - such eruptions are brainwashing.
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 20 December 2018 11: 00
        0
        The OGPU wrote, as it is, cannibalism during a severe famine is a medical fact. Even if there were 10 cases per year.
    2. naidas
      naidas 12 December 2018 14: 39
      +5
      I found one of the criminal cases: “Brother Semyon and I went for vodka, a boy came along the way, we ate it.” It’s a pity they don’t write from whom.
    3. EvilLion
      EvilLion 20 December 2018 11: 01
      0
      You say that cannibalism during a severe famine is something out of the ordinary. I have no doubt that he was enough under the king. Just the farther inland, the smaller the dock. evidence.
  8. flavus
    flavus 12 December 2018 09: 00
    -9
    The author ineptly tried to disguise the crimes of the Bolsheviks, using the old means of translating arrows, like - "Is it bad in the USSR? But in America you have blacks lynched."
    1. zena-iva
      zena-iva 12 December 2018 09: 19
      +14
      And you are clumsily trying to disguise your unwillingness to know reality: problems and hunger were in the early 30s all over the world, but only the Bolsheviks decided to blame the supposedly specially created famine ... what about the Western colonies in those years? didn’t they create hunger there by exporting food from there? And yes, blacks are lynched in the USA. So why not evaluate the world at large? It’s just you who demonstrate a propaganda device - fragmentary and hypocritical presentation of information. By the way, if you start to study the issue with documents, and not with Goebbels’s propaganda, you will find out that the Bolshevik government helped the population and quickly eradicated hunger and disease, but nothing similar was done in Western countries. - survived as best they could or died. The West is waging an information war to convince people that the USSR is bad and capitalism is good. And for what purpose are you broadcasting this propaganda? Are you a capitalist? happy in the world of global capitalism? Repeated propaganda handful of capitalists, designed to fool and subjugate people, can only be a fool or a scoundrel.
      1. flavus
        flavus 12 December 2018 09: 40
        -17
        Quote: zena-iva
        Are you a capitalist?

        Neither capitalists nor socialists exist. There are smart and hardworking, but there are stupid loafers who are trying to justify their weakness by the machinations of America and the bourgeoisie.
        1. pin_code
          pin_code 12 December 2018 10: 42
          +10
          and there are also greedy and unscrupulous people who do not want and do not want to adequately pay for the labor of wage workers, taking as the basis only the root of the word-SLAVE. this is the answer to flavus
          1. flavus
            flavus 12 December 2018 10: 52
            -16
            Quote: pin_code
            and there are also greedy and unscrupulous people who do not want and do not want to adequately pay for the labor of wage workers

            If a person founded a business, invested his capital in it, had a bunch of risks in doing so, then he has the right to pay whom he wants and how much he wants. This is his business, his money and his right.
            And who does not like it - "here is God, and here is the threshold."
            Go mortgage your property, take out loans, and set up your factory. Show people how generous and conscientious you are. And you can’t - nothing to whine, endure.
            Patience is improving the soul.
            1. pin_code
              pin_code 12 December 2018 11: 12
              +8
              where have you seen in our country that the huckster factories were built ???, they squeeze out mainly what they managed to grab and are engaged in optimization (so that 50% of the staff do the work as 100%, but for the same money as before the optimization). standard work of domestic defective managers. no need to rub here, about new plants and what the owner wants, then he does. those who are really building a new production are paying real zp .. because he is not interested in his new factory bending faster than he will pay loans and pay off his brainchild
              1. flavus
                flavus 12 December 2018 11: 23
                -11
                Quote: pin_code
                where have you seen in our country to build huckster factories ??

                Our country is full of small and large enterprises founded by private business. For example, I work on one such, based from scratch in the early 90's.
                He who wants to see will see, and he who wants to cry about the damned capitalists and to tear his hair off his head cannot help him already.
        2. zena-iva
          zena-iva 12 December 2018 10: 50
          +11
          Ahahaha))) how well you were brainwashed))) capitalists do not exist))) hardworking and quitters)))) The devil deceived people, convincing him that he did not exist. Or maybe you are justifying the capitalists? How capitalist it is: to justify the parasitism of capitalists and accuse their victims of laziness. If only it were that simple. So, uncomfortable questions. Where do world crises come from? Why do people who actually produce goods receive little? And all sorts of financiers and resellers))) rowing huge profits? Why is there a more or less quality life only in the West, while other countries are in poverty? You talk about matters of cosmic importance with cosmic folly. If you are not familiar with economics and political economy, this does not mean that these sciences do not exist. Why does 1% of the world's population own 99% of all income? Are they smart and the rest are fools? But 1% of the population cannot create 100% of the GDP, and they do not. How do they get it? appropriated? Why do actors, announcers and athletes receive huge salaries? Smart? Earned? And let the stupid ones die of hunger? Warren Buffett, an American billionaire, said this very clearly: "There is a class struggle. Well, good. This is my class, the rich class is fighting this war, and we are winning."
          1. pin_code
            pin_code 12 December 2018 11: 14
            +5
            you are right, there is just a class war, there’s nothing to add.
        3. naidas
          naidas 12 December 2018 14: 44
          +4
          Mara Baghdasaryan is smart and hardworking, but you are not.
        4. ruigat
          ruigat 13 December 2018 11: 31
          +1
          Neither capitalists nor socialists exist. There are smart and hardworking, but there are stupid loafers who are trying to justify their weakness by the machinations of America and the bourgeoisie.

          Yes, all sorts of Mary Baghdasaryan, day and night "work hard" for their Lamborghini and Maserati lying in bed. And ordinary Vanya "kicking the bald" day after day, take a loan for Lada Grant.
  9. BAI
    BAI 12 December 2018 09: 56
    +7
    Here you can once again quote the ideologue of the "Holodomr" Kulchitsky:
    "But for this we need to convince the world that we are not distorting the facts. Unfortunately, distortion occurs in his article, starting with the illustration under the title. This is a photograph of a starving family from Buguruslan, taken in December 1921."
    and this:
    And in my presence, Prime Minister Vladimir Groysman taught the deputy director of the Institute for Demography and Social Research, Alexander Gladun, what the loss should be.


    There was certainly famine (not only in Russia (Ukraine), but also in other countries, for example, in the United States). But they lie brazenly and shamelessly about the scale of the losses, like "100 million repressed".
    1. Avior
      Avior 12 December 2018 11: 32
      -7
      yeah, the debate goes 4 million starved or seven.
      Like in Auschwitz, how many really died there, a million and a quarter, as they now believe, or 4 million, as recorded in the verdict of the tribunal.
      the guilt of the communists or fascists will not change.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 20 December 2018 11: 04
        0
        That is, the Communists engaged in garbage in the 19 century, so that in the 20th peasants, how did they starve every few years in the Middle Ages? Blame it on fellow sufferers, like dill - that’s okay, but on those who haven’t yet, it’s already a diagnosis.
  10. Decimam
    Decimam 12 December 2018 10: 46
    -6
    As I understand it, as conceived by the author, those who died of starvation in 1932 - 1933. on the territory of the USSR they should feel some relief from the fact that they were dying of hunger in other countries too, such as - you are not alone, in Poland and America they also died like flies and nothing, they are silent and do not invent any genocides.
    A strange way of exposing historical falsifications using the "himself durak" argument.
    By the way, how does the author explain the existence of grain exports from the USSR in 1932 - 1933?
    1. pin_code
      pin_code 12 December 2018 11: 20
      +7
      I’ll answer you a question with a question ... but how to explain that now select grain is exported, and we are fed with feed?
      1. Decimam
        Decimam 12 December 2018 11: 27
        +1
        I do not want to offend you in any way, but the author’s answer is interesting to me.
        1. pin_code
          pin_code 12 December 2018 11: 29
          -1
          it's hard to offend me)
        2. BAI
          BAI 12 December 2018 13: 09
          +1
          but I’m interested in the author’s answer

          So that you do not have further disappointments in people, this author will NEVER answer questions or comment on anything.
          1. Decimam
            Decimam 12 December 2018 13: 51
            0
            I know this very well, as well as the price of his publications. So there can be no disappointments. And the question is rhetorical.
        3. naidas
          naidas 12 December 2018 14: 48
          +1
          Quote: Decimam
          I do not want to offend you in any way

          The volume of grain exports decreased from 5,2 million tons in 1931 to 1,73 million tons in 1932 and 1,68 million tons in 1933.
          Well, if you don’t put it under the contract, then it is stipulated in the contract at the end, it is better to put it without penalty.
          1. Decimam
            Decimam 12 December 2018 14: 58
            -2
            But the fact that in the country there is hunger and every kilogram of grain — someone’s life, does not outweigh the question of sanctions, in your opinion?
            1. naidas
              naidas 12 December 2018 15: 03
              +6
              Do you think that by paying a fine or by canceling a contract you won’t kill more people? By taking away a larger chunk in case of a fine, and if you refuse, you will not be able to trade with you or at predatory prices (risks must be justified).
              1. Decimam
                Decimam 12 December 2018 15: 12
                -4
                Thank you, you can not continue further.
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      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 20 December 2018 11: 05
        0
        But how to explain that grain is grain and you would not write nonsense?
    2. pin_code
      pin_code 12 December 2018 11: 23
      -1
      and there was grain export because it was necessary to carry out industrialization, and there was not enough gold for this. for it was not yet all returned by some party functionaries, so they were soaked in batches from the age of 37
      1. flavus
        flavus 12 December 2018 12: 18
        -12
        Quote: pin_code
        and grain export was, because it was necessary to carry out industrialization

        But industrialization had to be carried out because the war was approaching, and it was coming because the Bolsheviks, with their chatter about the world revolution and the conduct of subversive work in a number of leading states, turned the whole world against themselves.
        As well as aggression against Finland, Poland and the Baltic states and prohibited cooperation with Weimar Germany.
        And it is worth adding that although the Bolsheviks prepared for the war 15 years longer than Germany, the war fell on them like snow on their heads, which once again characterizes the mental abilities of the leaders of the USSR.
        1. ruigat
          ruigat 13 December 2018 11: 40
          +3
          And it is worth adding that although the Bolsheviks prepared for the war 15 years longer than Germany, the war fell on them like snow on their heads, which once again characterizes the mental abilities of the leaders of the USSR.

          And the war fell on the "geniuses" of leaders from Rzhech Pospolita, France and Small Britain, of course, very predictably, but they did not take it out, unlike the Stalinist USSR, which characterizes their mental abilities, below the level of the city sewage system.
          1. Konrad Karlovich
            Konrad Karlovich 14 December 2018 10: 45
            -4
            Great Britain waged war at a time when Molotov and Hitler pledged and ended it simultaneously with the USSR.
            1. ruigat
              ruigat 15 December 2018 09: 30
              +5
              Tell us how Small Britain fought a war in Munich in 1938 and with whom Chamberlain did not vouch.
        2. pin_code
          pin_code 16 December 2018 12: 02
          +1
          mental abilities were at their best, you need to think with your head, and not p ... sing. even the beginning of the war should have been just like that (this is not only my opinion). or the arrogant Saxons would be afraid of the USSR and begin to help Germany. I certainly understand that this is not patriotic, cynical. but this is the truth of life ...
        3. EvilLion
          EvilLion 20 December 2018 11: 19
          0
          Yes Yes. world revolution. Ko-ko-ko. By the way, you can find out what aggression is against Finland? Is it that she pursued a policy hostile to Russia and did not agree to an offer of exchange, despite the fact that she actually owned the original Russian territory, transferred to it even under the tsar for some reason? Well, according to your own logic, since this state behaves this way, it must be wetted. I believe that the Finns were not bombed enough; air terror should be deployed against Finnish cities.

          A war, like snow on its head, is when in a week Germany is asked the whole world the question is, do you take the trouble to explain your actions and send out directives on putting troops in combat readiness? Or when they urinate small enemies and take their territories from Poland in order to maximize their strength before the war?

          If you do not understand this, then it uniquely characterizes your "mental abilities".
  11. Avior
    Avior 12 December 2018 11: 13
    -7
    The author somehow "forgot" the main thing - to compare the scale of hunger.
    And in general, the article does not say a word about the number of victims of hunger, about which he writes.
    Starving, that's all. And the fact that between the starving and starving abyss is the author modestly walked around.
    The article is designed purely on the emotions of a discerning reader. Wanted an indirect justification of the crimes of the Communists? here you are, enjoy .....
    And in Soviet Ukraine, these figures are known, millions of victims.
    1. naidas
      naidas 12 December 2018 15: 14
      +2
      Quote: Avior
      And in Soviet Ukraine, these figures are known, millions of victims.

      Poroshenko also showed pictures of the famine in Ukraine. Yes, and there were witnesses two and three years ago from Lviv.
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  13. Gopnik
    Gopnik 12 December 2018 12: 36
    +1
    So what is the result? How many people died of starvation according to official figures, or according to professional historians?
    1. Avior
      Avior 12 December 2018 13: 45
      +1
      this is to the author
  14. Dirty Harry
    Dirty Harry 12 December 2018 13: 00
    +4
    I immediately remembered the dispute on one forum. Ivan writes that the Holodomor is propaganda, Grits replies that he heard from his grandfather that in the 1930s in the Lviv region they ate bark from hunger. When Ivan reasonably indicates to him that until 1939 the Lviv region was under Poland, in response he receives: "from, damn ..." (no, not Poles)
  15. Severski
    Severski 13 December 2018 00: 35
    0
    In Bessarabia there was no famine from the word at all. The author allegedly points to certain newspapers, completely forgetting that these are newspapers of the Communist Party, which was illegal. And there were written articles commissioned by the Comintern. And all because people, even under pain of executions, fled to Bessarabia.
  16. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 13 December 2018 08: 22
    +2
    Quote: Flavus
    Quote: naidas
    I completely agree with you, so I do not want to pay taxes

    Taxes in our country are very low, no one is exiled in the steppe of Kazakhstan for non-payment, there are no facts of cannibalism from hunger either.
    If taxes are so annoying, I can advise you to work better and work harder.

    13 percent income, 18 VAT, 20 pension (before retirement I don’t shine, like most men), I don’t remember how much honey insurance is there, but not less than 10. The company pays the state for rent. What else is there. Property tax. In total, I don’t remember this hour, but 90 kopecks run into the ruble earned. Some taxes are undoubtedly needed. But here give 90 kopecks per ruble .... And you say small taxes?
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    1. hohol95
      hohol95 13 December 2018 23: 27
      0
      For the purpose of objective coverage of this topic, readers are offered excerpts from the book by N. Lativok and E. Mazur - “1932 - 1933: famine in Europe and America; 1992 - 2009: genocide in Ukraine. ”
      Polish newspaper "New Hour": "In the Hutsul region, the number of starving farms in 1932 reached 88,6%. The property of the Polish landowners in these years reached 37% in the Stanislavsky Voivodeship, 49% in Polesie. On landowner lands, even in lean years, peasants worked for the 16th or 18th sheaf. In March, about 40 villages of Kosivsky, 12 villages of Naddvirnyansky and 10 - of Kolomia counties were completely starving. ” The newspaper notes: “People swell with hunger and die on the go. Famine is especially fierce in the villages - Perekhresnya, Old Gvizdtsy, Ostrovtsy. Typhoid fever and tuberculosis quickly spread with hunger. ”
      Until 1929, 16000 families of Polish military and civilian colonists were resettled from Poland to the Hutsul region. They transferred 600 thousand hectares of Hutsul land.

      Everything was there in "CHOCOLATE" ...
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        1. hohol95
          hohol95 24 December 2018 20: 48
          0
          I can also quote the words of my relatives about the famine after the war in the regions of Transcaucasia!
          In the presence of mild winters and a large number of gardens starved however!
          And for a loaf of bread they could have killed!
          Everyone sees only what is happening next to them.
          And what happened in other regions did not concern them!
          Somewhere they ate a quinoa, and somewhere they were saved by gophers and groundhogs (at the same time they picked up various serious diseases from these rodents)!
          He is always hungry - NOT Aunt, PIE WILL NOT BE CARRY!
  18. yehat
    yehat 14 December 2018 01: 59
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    I do not understand the famine in Ukraine. rich nature, pleasant climate (in which you need to eat less than in Siberia or beyond the Arctic Circle). A bunch of wild plants like cherries or apple trees.
    Whatever problems like floods, people have at least something left.
    Well, bread has not grown - so grow potatoes, buckwheat, rye, barley and a bunch of other crops, catch fish, catch a bird, find a mushroom or a berry. In my opinion, in these areas, people are not used to taking stocks seriously, and so mass hunger was rolling.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 20 December 2018 11: 23
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      You see, without a tractor, an ordinary tractor that you don’t give a damn about, because it is commonplace, you will regularly grow less than you sowed. And it’s problematic to grow potatoes in the summer, when you already see that there will be trouble with grain. Mushrooms and berries are simply not serious, they are negligible and the calorie content is near-zero. Actually, the herbivores eat without stopping because without heat treatment, plant food requires almost as much energy to break down as it gives.
  19. K-50
    K-50 15 December 2018 09: 09
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    in the mountainous districts, entire families have not seen months of any food other than a few half-rotten potatoes and a small amount of oat bread.

    I understand that the rivers have anesthetized, the forests have anesthetized, the nuts there have suddenly disappeared and the beast has fled.
    In general, the essence of hunger in the then, almost virgin forests, just does not fit into the head.
    Nowadays, in the forest you can live quite well at the pasture, and even more so in those days.
    1. miner
      miner 18 December 2018 07: 44
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      My father said that in the forest there was no free patch of land on which grass was not mowed for livestock feed. And this is in the Urals, where the climate is much harsher than in Ukraine or Moldova, and there are much more lands with virgin forests. I do not think that the rural population, starving lands, did not use all the food resources of the rivers and forests surrounding them.
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 20 December 2018 11: 29
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      You can live on the pasture in the summer. Even in the city, the besieged Leningrad proved that even the asphalt is not everywhere there and planted every flowerbed with grub. Well, the weak 41 / 42 still in the winter died, simultaneously reducing the load on the transport arteries, the throughput of which was insufficient.

      In winter, 2 buckets of dried mushrooms will not help you, so humanity has switched to agriculture with cattle breeding, there is nothing to eat in virgin forests. More precisely, there is something, but it requires too much strength for production. Catching a hare - it's not for you to kill a pig in your yard. Where do you come from ...
  20. EvilLion
    EvilLion 20 December 2018 10: 49
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    The text in the newspaper is easily recognized as a dialect of Russian with strange letters "i".
  21. Shurale
    Shurale 26 December 2018 11: 30
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    The claims to the Soviet government were not due to the fact that there was a famine. And due to the fact that grain was actively seized before the famine, as foreign goods refused to accept other goods from us, and precisely because there was a poor harvest in those years, and if they were good, they would not buy bread from us . And in such years, the grain was seized. Then, of course, they thought better of the grain they were able to return, but during this time many people died. The blame here is for foreigners who crushed us with sanctions, and for a not-so-smart leadership, which left the grain only for another planting, without supplies, and the bread did not become deformed. And those who saw what was happening but did not scratch themselves right away. There is a lot of guilt. By the way, it will be said that in Ukraine the Ukrainian authorities were engaged in seizure, not Muscovites, but Ukrainians, and making claims against the Russians is not entirely correct. What were they silent if things were so bad? Muscovites are to blame?