In the United States, the third and final stealth destroyer of the Zumwalt class has been launched.

In the USA, the third and the last in a series of destroyers of the Zumwalt class are launched. The launching ceremony took place in Maine at General Dynamics-Bath Iron Works. This is a missile stealth destroyer, which was named after one of the American presidents - Lyndon Johnson. Thus, the American shipbuilders kept in schedule. It was previously reported that Lyndon Johnson will be launched before the end of 2018.

The head of the program DDG-1000, in which two destroyers Zumwalt were built, Kevin Smith notes that the third destroyer of this class will have differences from its two predecessors. So, it is reported that the "Lyndon Johnson" - cutting is not made of composite materials, and steel.

This statement triggered a discussion in the United States. According to Smith, they took this step due to the need to make the implementation of the program cheaper, since it “went beyond the initial budget”. Opponents said that in this case, the newest American destroyer could lose stealth characteristics. Opponents also remind that initially the US Navy planned to receive 32-x destroyers of the Zumwalt class, but in the end the program was reduced by more than 10 times - to three units.

Earlier, the US Navy noted that Zumwalt was conceived as a "ship killer." However, if present in the composition fleet only three "Zamvoltov" such a characteristic seems clearly exaggerated.

Due to the fact that the number of these ships has been reduced to three, the command thinks about changing the main purpose of the missile destroyers. In particular, it was announced about the possible use of "Zamvoltov" as ships supporting the landing of the landing on the coast of the enemy. It was the rocket attack with Zumwalt that, according to the version of the command of the US Navy, should clear the coastal area of ​​the enemy fortifications before the landing of the Marines.

Comments

[Altona]

Very controversial vessel from all points of view. All the same, they found a non-trivial use for it, to cover the Marine Corps with fire. Although initially planned to fight with enemy ships.

[Vlad 63]

In any case, the vessel is interesting, they worked out various solutions for them. The necessary experience for the future is gained. But why they need this iron at the moment is a mystery to me. With the presence of Arly Burkov (wiki) in the amount of 67 units + 7 still in construction.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Vlad 63

But why they need this iron at the moment is a mystery to me.

Probably for working out technological innovations, but then it is definitely not clear why it was advertised with such a pomp. The same new ships of the coastal zone - LCS put into operation in a small series and quietly, without loud advertising.

[Altona]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

Probably for working out technological innovations, but then it is definitely not clear why it was advertised with such a pomp.

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What do you mean why? Do you know how much this iron costs? And what it was worth finding financing for him.

[Machito]

A good show is more expensive than money. American gangsters are using this saying with might and main. And the irons didn’t really set.

[Altona]

Quote: Vlad 63

In any case, the vessel is interesting, they worked out various solutions for them.

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It is interesting in that it has excess power for combat railguns and lasers, which are not yet available.

[GibSoN]

a mystery to me

The trick is this! Otherwise, it would not be a chip! When there is something to be proud of, it is not necessary to shout about it all over the WORLD. This vessel is not intended for sale to third countries. Therefore, it makes no sense to publicize it.

[NEXUS]

Quote: GibSoN

This vessel is not intended for sale to third countries. Therefore, it makes no sense to publicize it.

As my father used to say, a good thing does not need advertising. And if you look at what kind of advertising campaign mattresses were raised according to F-35, then I’m sure that this underfighter and its purchase of vassals of mattresses will come back with chronic haemorrhoids.
As for Zamvolt, in fact, the United States, given the number of Berks, and money, can experiment. Alas, we have no such opportunity.

[GibSoN]

And if you look at what kind of advertising campaign F-35 mattresses raised

Where do you even know what share the United States raised? Everything, no, literally everything! What do you know comes from the media in one way or another connected with the Russian Federation! Including NI (which is of national interest). Well, about the main thing! Airplanes learned to fly, and it’s not bad, 40 years ago! I see no point in discussing this topic with those who, at least at the moment, do not fly themselves, or do not directly relate to Acting employees of the aviation industry. And then, with reservations. Personally, I am not very interested in the arguments of retired theoreticians or fan trolls living "in the last century" and receiving information from the wiki (how is this even possible, it is the enemy) ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: GibSoN

And from where do you generally know what share the United States raised?

Dear, PR on F-35 was NOT raised by OUR MEDIA and the Commander-in-Chief, so there is nothing to spoil the air with the brain.

Quote: GibSoN

I see no reason to discuss this topic with those who, at least at the moment, are not flying, or who are not directly related to the current employees of the aviation industry.

Imagine, but I don’t see you at all as an opponent of the discussion, since often write such a heresy.

[GibSoN]

Dear, PR on F-35 was NOT raised by OUR MEDIA and the Commander-in-Chief, so there is nothing to spoil the air with the brain.

I doubt that I Dear, but oh well .. You can proof, who is there and what raised? In addition to the constant, almost everyday mention in the media of the Russian Federation F-35, I almost never saw any news anywhere.

Imagine, but I don’t see you at all as an opponent of the discussion, since often write such a heresy.

If they had not seen the opponent, they would not have answered .. And the fact that I often carry such "heresy" is a consequence of the fact that reading such heresy is simply tired! And the main feature is that apart from such heresy there is nothing else to read! On this basis, I express an alternative opinion! Well, what would those like you, suddenly think that they are the only ones in the world, and the whole WORLD revolves around them! Relax! There are only 2% of people like you, as one of your almost sure "sources" put it ... The rest are simply or more intelligent to discuss such things, or they are just so purple that they do not even know about the existence of such how are you!

[Uncle lee]

landing support ships

and a shot from a gun is worth a lemon green!
Uncle, let me shoot once!

[Vladimirets]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Uncle, let me shoot once!

I would take the money ...

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Vladimirets

money

What a mercantile you are!
"To love, so to love,
To walk, so to walk
Shoot, so shoot!

[Vladimirets]

Quote from Uncle Lee

What a mercantile you are!

I really want to eat ...

[Uncle lee]

I do not blame ....
Hunger is not an aunt!

[Werterex]

I agree. A strange destroyer. Not typical. Like more with a cruising bias.

[Bellerophon]

Previously, this "non-trivial application" was called simply - FAILURE.

[jjj]

The situation is like with "Sea Wolves". There were three of those too

[volodimer]

Three little pigs: Nif-Nif, Nuf-Nuf and Naf-Naf.!

[dolphin27]

Do not tell me - wolves were created in a different situation and in advance, but due to the collapse of the enemy and the destruction of his fleet, the need for them disappeared.

And here it is another matter - a "super-innovative" ship, which is too expensive for any application

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Altona

All the same, they found a non-trivial use for it, to cover the Marine Corps with fire.

so a week ago they wrote that they decided to completely remove the guns from him. what will cover? case? how is the breakwater submerged?

[GibSoN]

Very controversial vessel from all points of view.

Nothing controversial in this vessel! Controversial, there can only be for someone's realities. Those not controversial vessels that are riveted by the Russian Federation, in the United States can stamp dozens. Each ship has its own tasks. This vessel is at least interesting from a research point of view. And as a ship possessing some differences from all other similar ships, with a competent approach, it will always find application.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: GibSoN

Each ship has its own tasks.

hmm ... and what? as an artillery support ship, it did not take place. like a missile, it is not known whether it will take place. in terms of reliability, the largest slag is that of Ukraine, called "Hetman Sogoydachny".
Well, yes. great dish for the USA sorry that only 3 did. if the resources were swelled by 10, we would be better off

[GibSoN]

hmm ... and what? as an artillery support ship, it did not take place. like a missile, it is not known whether it will take place. in terms of reliability, the largest slag is that of Ukraine, called "Hetman Sogoydachny".
Well, yes. for the USA a great soldier dish sorry only 3 did. if the resources were swelled by 10, we would be better off laughing

Well, according to your comment, only two things are clear. You yourself don’t know what, but just assume what you have to draw conclusions in advance .. Well, you are very concerned about the topic of Ukraine. In general, there’s nothing to discuss. Bye.

[rocket757]

Well, yes, they’ll just put guns and just rockets! Just a big destroyer, with a lot of problems .... finita la comedy!
However, any experience is EXPERIENCE! truth is a little expensive, but they, as it is being heated, can afford it!

[1 Navigator]

They are at least building something! And here it’s just crap and tales are told how well it is for everyone to live, but with us, what is being built? Not much that has not been let down in recent years. Kuzya began to be repaired, and there they nakosyachili and even drowned the PD-50.

[your1970]

Quote: Navigator 1

They are at least building something!

-Do you want the same one? It all started like a super duper invisible ship made of fiberglass in the amount of 32 pieces - and ended with 3 and even with a wheelhouse made of iron (!!!! that is, stealth there already smells much less than at the beginning) + " due to the fact that got out of the budget!!!! "
We don’t even need such buildings for free - even if only their corrupt officials loot saw famously US budget

[spirit]

F117 also started as a super duper. and now we have su 57 with stealth elements that were first worked out here on such super-duper obscure devices

[1 Navigator]

And you do not have any large buildings and no.

[your1970]

Quote: Navigator 1

And you do not have any large buildings and no.

-and thank God !! let the USA toil with them ...

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Navigator 1

And here they just spoil and tell tales

Is that about you? self-critical!

[Berber]

Normal such experience at 4,4 billion dollars apiece. With such money, we can build a fleet.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: BerBer

With such money, we can build a fleet.

... paper and a bunch of criminal cases.

[Berber]

Your day is probably not going well. "It's not all bad, it's much worse."

[rocket757]

Come on, you are getting dressed! The truth is still somewhere .... nearby somewhere. Just as experience is not useless, so it’s too much for us to build big, not for the money, and not for the first time, yet.
I'm optimistic, so far, but still I hope not at all.

[your1970]

Quote: rocket757

not by necessity yet.
I'm optimistic, so far, but still I hope not at all.

-so they don’t know what to do with him now !! And such a necessary thing was in the beginning- they already sprayed boiling water !!!

[rocket757]

Nothing worthless happens. This is an experience, dear truth.
Now, if they repeat the previous mistakes, of course there will be nonsense!
We will see!

[Berber]

There is a positive point in this - this is someone else's experience.

[rocket757]

It would be possible to gloat ... only we and our primaries have more than enough!

[your1970]

Quote: rocket757

Nothing worthless happens. This is an experience, dear truth.
Now, if they repeat the previous mistakes, of course there will be nonsense!
We will see!

first TWO were there not enough ships?

[rocket757]

Quote: your1970

-the first TWO ships were not enough?

Most likely, the case was already laid down, before the doubts became confidence, they didn’t need this, and they made a lot of other things! There is nowhere else to go, but it’s completely new to dispose of it, somehow not ah.
Anyway, this is a powerful combat platform for missiles ... problems, costs, they can afford it. They will be a working laboratory, and also a training ground. The combat complex is very advanced, then they will bring it to mind, it will go into action.

[your1970]

3 laboratories?
it’s not tanks, or even planes ... You won’t be able to write them off in 10 years ...

[rocket757]

Stubborn, they do not spare money when they want to surpass everyone.
By the way, for example, training vessels, centers, under a completely different line of expenditure, always go through and operate for a long time. True times, conditions may change ....
I assume a possible option, because I believe that, as a combat unit, the ships are too problematic, and training ships, hanging out along the coast, from base to base, will do well.
We'll see.
By the way, if the ships are equated with the test ones, then not only the warriors will keep it. Experimenters can’t get away with costs.

[your1970]

you yourself answered .... as a training, Burke would be much better. It is completely serial, requiring trained sailors in much larger volumes ...

[sharp-lad]

A miracle fighter and a miracle ship, a miracle bomber and several closed developments .... In my opinion, the series went.

[rocket757]

Striped still set out to be ahead of the rest.
We can only see. What will happen in the end, we’ll get jealous or take off, we'll see.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Wow !!! Beast! The ship, of course, controversial, but it looks very futuristic!)))

[konstantin68]

Handsome ship! Too innovative for its time! Undoubtedly, this is a step forward, despite criticism.

[letinant]

Yes, of course he has a Vidocq .... And so I agree with "Altona", they built it, it didn't work out, we need to attach it somewhere, and let's make "Orly Burke" out of it, only more expensive.

[Sands Careers General]

So, it is reported that “Lindon Johnson” has a cutting not of composite materials, but of steel

Even the fierce American military budget does not pull these dubious vessels, save on everything))

[bouncyhunter]

Hello, hello! They love mattresses all fabulously expensive: aircraft carriers, planes, and of course Zamvolt type irons. But the Fed's printing press is not eternal, and does not cope with appetites.

[Skay]

-Bath Iron Works »

- a very telling and much explanatory name

[arhPavel]

It’s a pity that we decided to curtail the program. Better for us to build

[Reserve buildbat]

Squad bredonsets Zumwalt ... This, as I understand it, will become super-visible due to the replacement of composites on steel Now mattresses can be proud that they have three irons "all of different genders")))

[igorbrsv]

It's just like buying an exhibition machine. The discount is small, but will not work

[Mr Credo]

### It was a missile attack with Zumwalt that, according to the US Navy command, should clear the coastal area of ​​enemy fortifications before landing marines. ### I understand that they have written off the aircraft carriers !? Aviation will not be used? Or have rockets become so cheap?

[Corsair0304]

It was a missile attack with Zumwalt that, according to the US Navy command, should clear the coastal area of ​​enemy fortifications before landing marines.

According to reports, the cost of each of the three new destroyers, taking into account the costs of creating the project, can overcome the mark of $ 7 billion. (https://topwar.ru/35714-esmincy-tipa-zumwalt-o-segodnyashnem-sostoyanii-korabley-buduschego.html) This is a breakthrough! Build a destroyer with the cost of an aircraft carrier and now scratch your turnip what to do with it, since it does not fit into the general concept of use. Here it is so much too much.

[Forest]

I think its seaworthiness is coastal, and the design is like an iron of the 18th century.

[Avior]

excellent seaworthiness.
like Model A yachts, long in use.

when you enjoy the foreground, look at the rear-yacht of 6 thousand tons, excellent seaworthiness.

[sharp-lad]

Thank you for prompting, otherwise you can't see the background because of the foreground!

[Avior]

yes, obscures

[Forest]

Yes, with such excitement, even a rubber boat has "excellent seaworthiness")

[Bellerophon]

Does it seem to me alone that the stealth ship has long been invented? Unfinished submarine. Well and fig goat button accordion? ))))

[prior]

I would say UNDERFUL. And the similarity is obvious, the superstructure, however, is a bit big.

[voyaka uh]

You think correctly: the ideal surface ship of the future is only a hull without superstructures. Radars are launched into the air from mines and hang high above the ship like balloons. From the holds, vertical drones are also launched. And many, many rocket cells.
Zumvolt is an almost perfect ship of the future. In addition to the add-in.

[kventinasd]

I forgot to write about the Jedi. They jump out of the holds and smash everyone with laughter.
One torpedo is enough for this iron.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: voyaka uh

From the holds, vertical drones are also launched. And many, many rocket cells.

well, OK.
but what is the connection with this?

Quote: voyaka uh

Zumvolt is an almost perfect ship of the future. In addition to the add-in.

no drones, no many, many rocket cells.
where does the iron then?

[voyaka uh]

He actually has 80 missile cells ... Quite a lot. And at the last they will add another 20-30.
And so - he has a naked body.
Zumvolt - a step in the right direction. But he was ahead of his time and therefore causes criticism.

[rayruav]

it was always considered seaworthiness as a ship enters a wave, and then cutting through it, in a storm it will take water to a forecastle and the superstructure will be subject to shock waves

[voyaka uh]

So it is conceived. But the forecastle and superstructure are airtight. There is a video where Zumvolt goes into a storm.
It looks much more confident than Arly Burke, falling through the waves in similar weather

[andranick]

This is not a new solution. Cruisers of the XNUMXst rank "Oleg", "Novik". Due to the new technological capabilities, the Zamvolta has the features of those cruisers, only much more aggravated.

[irazum]

Very expensive toy. I think that for a few years now they’ll run everything to the maximum, they will add what is needed, remove the unnecessary, optimize the cost. And if the situation in the world escalates utterly, they will be allowed into a large series.

[fruit_cake]

let them do more shit, it will be easier for us

[voyaka uh]

In the third, more changes are planned. Instead of one gun on the bow, vertical launcher blocks for anti-ship missiles will be inserted into the deck.
If it works out, they will redo the other two as well. That is, the ships will be thrown to fight the Chinese squadrons. And not for artillery work along the coast, as planned.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: voyaka uh

That is, the ships will be thrown to fight the Chinese squadrons.

ship will be thrown .. in port
the iron problem is not in armaments, but in the fact that they tried to implement a system of struggle for survivability with minimal involvement of the crew and nishmagl.
the crew is minimal. any breakdown is repaired only in the port, and these breakdowns occur at every exit to the sea, along the way.
overall a good ship! for Americans
well, with the essay "what use to come up with what we did for budget money" the American now has a lot of problems ... here these irons, and shells for the failed railgun, and perhaps soon the F-35 will join them

[voyaka uh]

"the crew is minimal. any breakdown is repaired only in the port" ///
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Crews are reduced (sometimes several times) on all modern ships. This is a general trend. Automation ... Engine failures are childhood diseases of all types of new ships: among Europeans and Russians.
If you do not like the unusual look of Zumvolt ... there are no friends for the taste and color.
And I, for example, always liked the cruiser Aurora. And Zumvolt's nose - what a coincidence - looks like him.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: voyaka uh

Crews are reduced (sometimes several times) on all modern ships.

on what? except the iron.

Quote: voyaka uh

Engine failures are childhood diseases of all types of new ships: among Europeans and Russians.

I agree, but only in the case of Zumvolt, such breakdowns lead to a complete loss of stroke and are repaired only at home port where there is a rembaza especially for this iron. he is not properly compatible with the same Burks and this is a problem.

Quote: voyaka uh

And I, for example, always liked the cruiser Aurora. And Zumvolt's nose - what a coincidence - looks like him.

have mercy! then compare with Aurora and what not with the barge? both are swimming with a tugboat - what a coincidence
PS
and you know, if you want to assure me that Zumvolt is a good ship, I agree with you! great destroyer for the USA! I already wrote you the reasons for my consent

[voyaka uh]

"I agree with you! soldier is an excellent destroyer for the USA!" ////
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Well, see! We have full agreement on this issue.

[Avior]

it was logical from the beginning.
in order for the Zamvolets to make sense, you need time first
1. Replace one of the guns with MK41
2. Develop missile defense missile defense under MK57
3. Develop for MK57 containers for 4 pieces of controlled MLRS with laser and / or jeepies guidance.
4. Deal with the radar.
and there will be a great ship

[EXPrompt]

Hooray...
The shipyards were babbled and caps were thrown into the air.

Useless trough, with dubious combat value.

[Hypersound]

Another garbage from the Pndossky military-industrial complex. This iron is an even greater failure than the F-35 trash. Although it was very difficult to surpass the F-35 anti-achievements, the Americans managed to break their own anti-record.

[Kibl]

An iron floats on a river, a buoy piece of iron, well, let it float for itself, maybe it has a nest there!

[faterdom]

In the United States, the third and final stealth destroyer of the Zumwalt class has been launched.

You can't stop so abruptly - you still have to release. And to snatch "NATO allies", as well as especially gifted partners.

[sergio_5252]

Something like Aurora.

[voyaka uh]

Returned to "cutting the waves" instead of climbing the wave. This requires the integrity of the deck and sides.

[shadow]

A stealth destroyer was launched, which immediately, like the previous two, went for repairs.