Israel offered for the first time to supply a Merkava MBT Mk.4 to a foreign customer

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Israel offered for the first time to supply a Merkava MBT Mk.4 to a foreign customer

Israel proposed the Colombian Armed Forces to acquire the Merkava MBT Mk.4 and the Namer armored personnel carrier. During the initial negotiations, the possibility of delivering from 25 to 40 was discussed. tanks.

As the resource Israeldefense.com notes, so far the cost of the Israeli MBT has not been disclosed. According to experts, it can be about 6 million dollars.

Israel previously exported technologies developed as part of the creation of various models of the Merkava tank. One of the most famous projects in this area is the modernization of the Turkish M-60 tanks. However, the Israeli tank was never exported.

Colombia’s intention to acquire MBT is related to the purchase of new armored vehicles by other countries in the region, including Brazil, Venezuela and Chile.

As previously reported, the Colombian Armed Forces are considering the possibility of purchasing in the first stage up to the 44 MBT, as well as the creation of a personnel training center and equipment for maintenance. At the present time, the tanks of the country are not in service with the armament

For armored units it is planned to purchase a combat vehicle at an acceptable cost, providing high firepower, survival and maneuverability.

In addition to the offer of Israel, the purchase of MBT Leopard-1V from the Armed Forces of Chile and MBT Leopard-2A4 from the Armed Forces of Germany is considered as possible options.

A few years ago, Colombia had already acquired a number of weapons systems in Israel, including the Kfir fighter jets, a tanker aircraft, land and sea systems. Colombia is also considering buying a UAV in Israel.

The acquisition of Israeli-made military hardware by Colombia was discussed during a recent visit to this country by Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak.
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  1. +1
    6 June 2012 09: 53
    And the Americans, it would not be closer, buy tanks.
    1. Ataturk
      +13
      6 June 2012 10: 02
      Abrams is not a tank and everyone knows about it. A beautiful view, which by the way was stolen from a leo, but the protection of the tank is not high, plus turbine pollution and much more.
      1. Tjumenec72
        +2
        6 June 2012 12: 01
        Well, they said it was stolen, in this case it’s not entirely correct - they developed MBT-70 together, but then they went in different ways.

        Although it’s certainly not a fountain like a tank) it’s more like a tank destroyer ...
      2. Yarbay
        +3
        6 June 2012 15: 37
        Omar, from the information I understood that it is indirectly confirmed that ours have bought or will buy Merkava tanks and aircraft from Israel !!
        Probably in that 1.6 billion contract it is !!
        1. 0
          6 June 2012 15: 42
          I doubt that 1.6 billion is not enough for such purchases.
          1. Yarbay
            +3
            6 June 2012 15: 56
            Professor, we have been rumored for a long time that these tanks already exist !!
            It seems to me that this is just part of the contract in one of the Israeli sites. I read that various contracts were concluded for 5-6 years, worth more than 5 billion!
            And in general, I think everything that I agree to sell Israel, Azerbaijan with pleasure and immediately buy!
            1. -1
              6 June 2012 16: 08
              Professor, we have been rumored for a long time that these tanks already exist !!

              Rumors, rumors .... No one has seen Azerbaijanis training in Israel at the Shizafon training ground.

              And in general, I think everything that I agree to sell Israel, Azerbaijan with pleasure and immediately buy!

              I think the modernized "according to the Georgian standard" T-72 is more suitable for them.
              1. Yarbay
                +2
                6 June 2012 16: 13
                We have our own training grounds ,,
                we have T-72y of various modifications
                Our tankmen praise the T-72AG!
                1. vic22lud
                  +3
                  6 June 2012 16: 35
                  Actually, it’s strange. After all, the tank was developed and imprisoned under Israeli conditions. It is very wide because it was supposed to be used in desert areas and on sand. Its width does not allow loading it and transporting it by rail. For Israel, this is not relevant, but in other countries?
                  1. Skiff
                    0
                    6 June 2012 17: 31
                    I also don’t understand why Colombia needs a Merkava tank?
                    Unsuitable for the jungle, fight against drug lords if only, and indeed 60pcs. it’s not good enough for warfare.
                    Perhaps the Colombian generals wanted to feel truly military.
                    1. Korvin
                      +2
                      6 June 2012 19: 58
                      I, too, go nuts. If the Israelis are bringing in a Colombian tank imprisoned under a desert theater, then they will be able to foist a snowmobile on the Papuans !!!
                      1. chukapabra
                        +4
                        6 June 2012 20: 20
                        Quote: KORVIN
                        I, too, go nuts. If the Israelis are bringing in a Colombian tank imprisoned under a desert theater, then they will be able to foist a snowmobile on the Papuans!

                        So the old joke was remembered
                        Ivan comes to Abram:
                        - Abram, borrow the ruble until spring, in the spring I will give two, as a deposit I leave the ax.
                        - Well, Ivan, here's a ruble for you. Only now I think - probably, it will be difficult for you to give two rubles at once in the spring. So you give half now, and half in the spring.
                        Ivan thought - indeed, it’s easier, he gave the ruble, comes out and thinks:
                        - Neither the ruble nor the ax, the ruble still owes, and everything seems to be right!
                        drinks
                      2. +1
                        6 June 2012 23: 03
                        The tank is not imprisoned under the desert. Both in Israel, and in the Sinai, and in the Golan Heights, and in Lebanon (potential theater of war), the climate and landscape are very dramatically changing in a small area. Including, three or four months a year, there are real tropical rains, mud, slush, palm trees - pure Colombia wink
                    2. 0
                      6 June 2012 23: 01
                      Venezuela. Colombia has a conflict with this country on the brink of war.
                      1. pribolt
                        -1
                        7 June 2012 04: 22
                        Pimply (1) Yesterday, 23:01 p.m. 0
                        Venezuela. Colombia has a conflict with this country on the brink of war.

                        Nonsense. There is now no conflict. The US is concerned about the purchase of T 72 in large quantities by Venezuela. Here, as always, American military advisers are causing a panic in Colombia. The only enemies Colombia now has are internal illegal armed groups * FARC *
            2. Ataturk
              0
              6 June 2012 16: 42
              Quote: Yarbay
              And in general, I think everything that I agree to sell Israel, Azerbaijan with pleasure and immediately buy!

              That's right!

              Quote: Yarbay
              Professor, we have been rumored for a long time that these tanks already exist !!

              my dear, if you open the price list and the list of what was announced during the purchase from the Israelis, there is a sum of half a billion and it doesn’t even reach.
              Now the question is, where is the list of almost 1.5 billion given that the contract for 1.9 billion has been concluded?

              That's it, the part has not yet been revealed! Given the fact that the contract for Oplod and T-90 has subsided and the tank fleet of Azerbaijan should increase, now it’s clear where the tanks will be taken from!

              One and a half billion, you can buy quite a few Merkav + Turkish tank will be built in Azerbaijan.

              We'll see....
              1. Yarbay
                +3
                6 June 2012 16: 57
                Lobster!
                Maybe you are right!
                I read that Israel is looking for a partner for the production of Merkav due to funding problems!
                and part has not yet been disclosed, in the sense nothing is known about what they bought !!
                This suffering page started up misinformation by rewriting the Stockholm Institute data on purchases from 2007 to 2011!
                A new contract was signed in 2012!
              2. PAP
                PAP
                +1
                6 June 2012 20: 01
                Something I doubt that Merkava will be better than the same T-72 in the conditions of Az-na. She is still a pretty specific tank. Better to buy more teshes
                1. Insurgent
                  0
                  6 June 2012 21: 49
                  You’re directly an expert. You have mountainous terrain like Israel.
          2. Ataturk
            -1
            6 June 2012 16: 35
            Quote: professor
            I doubt that 1.6 billion is not enough for such purchases.

            I do not want to fix much ... not 1.6 but 1.9 billion. This is one hundred percent.

            I’m wondering what they bought from Israel and what they said was almost half a billion, and where is the 1.5 BILLION ????????????? where is the list ?????

            Here I am about the same ..... I wonder when they show or tell.
            1. -2
              6 June 2012 17: 02
              I’m wondering what they bought from Israel and what they said was almost half a billion, and where is the 1.5 BILLION ????????????? where is the list ?????

              What is Israel sent to Azerbaijan
              1. Yarbay
                +3
                6 June 2012 17: 11
                Professor!
                Well, as much as you can!
                I’ve proved to you that this is misinformation !!
                Now to prove to you in a new way !?
                Do you understand the difference between ALREADY bought and BUYED ?? * *?
                Open the reports of the Stockholm Institute on the procurement of Azerbaijan for 2007-2011 !!
                What you gave before the fifth repeats that information, right down to the errors in that data of the Gabriel rocket!
    2. +8
      6 June 2012 10: 10
      Not otherwise, the Israelis something new to replace the riveted roses merkava to the market drove.
      1. Ataturk
        +3
        6 June 2012 10: 31
        Quote: Dmitriy69

        Not otherwise, the Israelis something new to replace the riveted roses merkava to the market drove.


        it is possible, or there is already not enough money from the United States.
      2. Tjumenec72
        +1
        6 June 2012 12: 05
        Vryatli that they will do something fundamentally new - they have nothing to do.
        Stupidly need loot.
        1. Hysnik-Tsuzoy
          +1
          6 June 2012 13: 26
          The Israelis are a practical people, the loot, stolen from Russia, is dripping with it anyway, but the fact that they started rearmament and they are selling a technologically obsolete tank for this thing could well be.
          1. vic22lud
            -4
            6 June 2012 13: 52
            Dripping Dripping. Don `t doubt. And interest
            1. OSTAP BENDER
              0
              6 June 2012 15: 14
              And no one doubts, parasites are parasites!
      3. PAP
        PAP
        -1
        6 June 2012 20: 09
        I think they just want to enter the arms market with their tanks. I remember in 2008 it was like they had a contract for the supply of 300 Merkav to Georgia, which was then canceled. True there was like 3ka
        1. Ataturk
          -3
          7 June 2012 04: 36
          Quote: RAR
          I remember in 2008 it was like they had a contract for the supply of 300 Merkav to Georgia

          :)))))))))))))))))))))))))

          Georgia’s fellow countryman has no money even for 3 units of merkav. Their budget in a huge mass depends on taxes. At the expense of taxes, they certainly won’t buy 300 mercs and it is unlikely that Jews can give 300 mercs.
    3. Redpartyzan
      +1
      6 June 2012 14: 05
      what for? Merkava is one of the best tanks in the world. But nitsche, not for long be her best. More precisely until 2015)))
      1. Perch_xnumx
        -1
        6 June 2012 14: 19
        Merkava was designed for the desert. How he will behave in the jungle. Like in the mountains, how the box will go. How high humidity will affect. Nevertheless, the toad strangles envy. And KAZ was put on him, and his Russian dad was safely buried.
        1. 755962
          +2
          6 June 2012 15: 00
          This machine has become the real embodiment of the most advanced technologies, and even our experts in armored vehicles admit that today Merkava-Mk4 is the best tank in the world. Well, maybe one of the best. In any case, the level of T-90 Israeli tank completely surpasses.
          1. +6
            6 June 2012 15: 04
            Quote: 755962
            one of the best


            So I think it will be more correct.
            1. 755962
              +3
              6 June 2012 15: 07
              Andrey, hi! And what is it that they have everything in the smoke? It's already difficult to breathe laughing
              1. 755962
                +2
                6 June 2012 15: 15
                Probably the engines smoke and it's time to change the rings with inserts. And maybe the whole engine.
                Power plants of the Israeli Merkava-4 super tanks - fail after every 200 km of run. It is reported by cursorinfo.co.il. It turns out that this problem can not be solved for 9 years.

                Difficulties in the operation of this combat vehicle, which Western military experts consider one of the best in the world, began almost immediately after the delivery of the fourth generation "War Chariots" to the Israel Defense Forces - in 2003. It turned out that the tank "hearts" had malfunctions in the valve system. As a result, the engines have to be removed from the engine-transmission compartments of the tank and a lot of effort has to be spent to reanimate them.
                http://www.vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-1600.htm
                1. -3
                  6 June 2012 15: 29
                  On Merkava in the field, the engine (more precisely, the power plant) is changed in a matter of minutes. At an open demonstration in honor of Independence Day in public, the SUs were replaced in less than 10 minutes.
                  1. 755962
                    +1
                    6 June 2012 15: 40
                    Good afternoon, professor. Is there a problem with the engines? Really do not want to replace the German samples? Although these are licensed request .
                    1. -2
                      6 June 2012 15: 51
                      As far as we know, engine problems have been resolved. Regarding the replacement of the engine in the field, my colleague tanker says that they did not have any scruples so that at least one engine in the battalion was not replaced. He really did not serve in fours. He claims that it is "100 times" more difficult to return a track that has flown off to its place than to replace the control system.

                      The tanks decided to put up for sale as the local Ministry of Defense decided that they no longer needed their army of tanks - there was no one to fight, and they were trying to keep production.
                      1. 755962
                        +2
                        6 June 2012 15: 58
                        And why exactly "4", and not early modifications. Like Colombia, there is no one to fight with?
                      2. rubikon_n
                        +2
                        6 June 2012 16: 28
                        To transport cocaine - the most - THAT !!!
              2. +5
                6 June 2012 15: 18
                Hey.
                I think it’s not difficult for tankers. And there are still tanks in front of them.
                And turning back to a discussion about the best. I would love to see Merkava 4 fight with 2 Challenger
                1. 755962
                  +4
                  6 June 2012 15: 43
                  Quote: Kars
                  I would love to watch Merkava 4 fight against Challenger 2

                  They seemed to be compared somewhere. In my opinion, it is in the Top 10. It is necessary to dig. For me, "chariot" number -1.
                  1. +3
                    6 June 2012 15: 50
                    Quote: 755962
                    In my opinion in the Top 10


                    Quite dubious is the idea of ​​the top 10.
                    All the same, I would bet on the Englishman.
                    1. 755962
                      +3
                      6 June 2012 15: 54
                      Andrey, in terms of protection IMHO "Merkava" is preferable. But this is my personal opinion.
                      1. +2
                        6 June 2012 16: 35
                        Well, I don’t know ---- the Merkava’s forehead 4 stratified after getting a ATGM did not impress me. But unfortunately, we’ll get an adequate estimate of the armor - no one will give honest data. It would be nice --- they brought it to the training ground, and it’s like in the article that I copied about the King Tiger to shoot from all that is.
                      2. Insurgent
                        +1
                        6 June 2012 21: 52
                        kakrs well hit carnet every tank withstand
                      3. +1
                        6 June 2012 23: 00
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        every tank will survive

                        And where is the certainty that this is the root? Is there a signature?
                        These damage reveal the structure ---- nothing special. The truth is that 2006 may have changed.
                      4. PAP
                        PAP
                        0
                        6 June 2012 20: 04
                        Merkava seems to have been developed, including for urban battles, hence the increased security, since there at every corner a comrade with a grenade launcher can emerge
          2. +1
            7 June 2012 00: 24
            Quote: 755962
            In any case, the level of T-90 Israeli tank completely surpasses.
            - facts to the studio. Justify in all respects
            1. 755962
              +2
              7 June 2012 01: 28
              Quote: aksakal
              facts to the studio

              http://www.newsland.ru/news/detail/id/555494/ http://www.ng.ru/nvo/2008-12-04/100_tank.html You can still google, but the evidence is that while we are behind. Unfortunately ...
        2. Yarbay
          -2
          7 June 2012 07: 59
          Perch_1 !!
          Merkava is designed for action in the desert and mountains, mainly the Golan and Lebanon. The suspension is designed for the Golan, where all the rocks and mountains (maximum 2 km altitude at the peak). For this, each skating rink has an independent suspension with a very large stroke - much more than on Abrams or Russian T. This allows you to move at good speed over rocks and rocks, where the T-72 breaks its suspension, which is not designed for this. Some skating rinks have air depressors (as in steep jeeps). In addition, the engine is not a gas turbine engine, but a turbodiesel, because gas turbine engines in the mountains or in the desert do not pull well because of the height - they need a high density of air, sand - the air filter clogs, and gas turbine engines eat a lot of air or heat - for gas turbine engines, the thrust is very dependent on air temperature. The gearbox is multi-stage, and besides, there is no clutch in the gearbox at all, transmission of traction on oil pressure, as in civilian gearboxes, which greatly reduces engine and gearbox wear and makes driving very easy.
          this is the opinion of an armed officer of the Israeli army (the officer responsible for the proper operation, repair, evacuation from the battlefield, engines, electronics, weapons, all in general).
          http://www.disput.az/index.php?showtopic=205989&st=675
  2. Tirpitz
    +4
    6 June 2012 09: 56
    The price is too big, and so it will probably be in demand. The tank is cool.
    1. chistii20
      0
      6 June 2012 12: 09
      T 90 is still better
    2. Tjumenec72
      +1
      6 June 2012 12: 12
      What is so cool about this reincarnation of the mouse?
      Is that a reservation, but it depends on who ...
    3. +4
      6 June 2012 13: 01
      It’s better to steal ours from Colombia 1, you can bring it to yourself, bring it to take a look, take ideas for your tanks, maybe improve some systems!
  3. Dust
    0
    6 June 2012 10: 00
    And why do such tanks in Colombia? Is there even a suitable place to turn around with the most ordinary tanks?
    1. Aleksey67
      +4
      6 June 2012 10: 14
      Quote: Dust
      And why do such tanks in Colombia?

      They will begin to drive their drug lords. And then they (the drug lords) feudal armies are better equipped than government troops.
    2. Alexey Prikazchikov
      +8
      6 June 2012 10: 28
      In Colombia, the jungle is the same as South America. He’s just there in all this shit, because of the weight, there’s no place to drown him, and there’s no reason for it .. Yes, and this is not a rich country. This vryatli will sell well; it was made for a dodger according to his requirements, so vryatli.
      1. +5
        6 June 2012 12: 45
        Merkava is a very specific tank, made special for the Israeli landscape, even taking into account the fact that it’s more convenient to shoot from above. In short, a mobile bunker, and a bunker, as you know, is a purely defensive thing. A big plus, of course, is the protection and comfort of the crew.
      2. ZUI
        ZUI
        0
        7 June 2012 00: 16
        For one tank 20-30 kilograms of cocaine. What else do we have in Colombia?
    3. Katran
      0
      6 June 2012 23: 22
      corruption?
  4. Vanek
    -3
    6 June 2012 10: 15
    Armor capsule - capsule of death.
  5. Vitalik.grigoriev
    +6
    6 June 2012 10: 30
    Trying no counterweight to create a Venezuelan army. And then they have long become a regional superpower. And by the way, in many respects it is our merit drinks
    1. chistii20
      +2
      6 June 2012 12: 11
      And then whose course is ours
  6. GHG
    GHG
    +10
    6 June 2012 10: 36
    Merkava may be a good tank, but in its environment in a dry climate. Pay attention to its mass (about 70t), ground clearance and tracks))) It only runs on highways in Columbia’s humid climate laughing
    1. chistii20
      +1
      6 June 2012 12: 13
      And how do we know maybe in Colombia, especially for Merkava, asphalt roads will begin to build
    2. -2
      6 June 2012 15: 32
      Not all of Israel is covered in deserts. Humidity in the coastal length will not be lower than in Colombia.
      1. chukapabra
        +4
        6 June 2012 20: 30
        Quote: professor
        Not all of Israel is covered in deserts. Humidity in coastal length will not be lower than in Colombia

        In the north of Colombia lies the Caribbean lowland with a subequatorial arid climate. The main ports of the country and the main resorts attracting foreign tourists are located here. There is also a separate mountain range of the Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta with the snowy peak Cristobal Colon (5775 m), which is the highest mountain in Colombia.
        The western coast is occupied by a narrow Pacific lowland with heavy rainfall throughout the year and large tides, which makes the beaches of this region less popular with tourists. The lagoons along the Pacific coast are occupied by powerful mangroves.
        In the south of the country, the Andes branch into three parallel ranges, called the Western, Central and Eastern Cordillera, which stretch to the north for more than 3 thousand kilometers. In the intermontane valleys are the main agricultural land of the country and the majority of the population of Colombia lives. But many extinct and active volcanoes, as well as the high seismicity of the territory, damage the population and the economy.
        The Colombian part of the Llanos region is located in the southern part of the Orinoc lowland. The subequatorial hot climate with humid summers and dry winters determines the distribution in the region of wet cereal and palm savannas, gallery forests along rivers and reed marshes.
        The southeast of the country is occupied by the Amazonian selva, located in the region of a constantly humid equatorial climate. Lush impassable vegetation (five tiers of trees up to 70 m tall) and rich wildlife are very diverse. But due to harsh environmental conditions, only 1% of the country's population lives in this region.

        Well, in general, Colombia has enough regions for Merkava.
        In general, I am far from the idea that the military of Colombia is so inadequate that there would be not so many suckers to know the theater of operations of Merkava. The tank is expensive, plus service, plus training. Not a little money.
        Well, the meaning of the purchase (if true) is clear. Chavez is arming very intensely, and with Colombia he has a certain tension.
    3. 0
      6 June 2012 22: 54
      For a third of the year in Israel, the climate is very reminiscent of Colombian - mud and tropical rains. In addition, if you visit Israel, you will immediately find that both the landscape and the climate can literally change before our eyes. Below I have cited several references of Merkava in the desert.
  7. Scorpio 83
    +2
    6 June 2012 10: 37
    the tank is good, but with the habitat you need to think whether it is needed there))))
  8. +7
    6 June 2012 10: 43
    Colombian drug lords will have great trophies.
  9. Igor
    +2
    6 June 2012 10: 52
    The tank is normal, but heavy.
    1. chistii20
      0
      6 June 2012 12: 14
      I repeat t 90 is better
    2. Mr. Truth
      +1
      6 June 2012 14: 39
      Quote: Igorek
      normal

      Is "Israeli armored air" normal? Seriously, the tank has a good BIUS, LMS and it is comfortable for the crew. But its booking is overestimated to put it mildly, some of the "god-touched" tankers yelled at me about 1000 mm from the BPS, although I honestly would not even believe in 700-800 mm, the armor is minuscule to book and protect so even without DZ, such a large frontal the projection is simply not realistic even with a mass of 70 tons.
      1. -2
        6 June 2012 22: 52
        On the frontal projection, additional protection is created by the power plant and the shape of the tower. Plus a standard active protection system.
        1. Mr. Truth
          0
          8 June 2012 00: 49
          Pimply,
          You indoctrinated.
  10. Gocha kurashvili
    +3
    6 June 2012 11: 02
    Why butt button accordion? The tank is undoubtedly beautiful ... Dear ... With music))) .. But, not Candid. They burned from the cornet as it should be burned .. Well, at least tell me it's better ours anyway ... Verified as a grandfather checker, and unpretentious as a Kalash.
    1. chistii20
      +3
      6 June 2012 12: 16
      That's right. I agree with you all 100
    2. +1
      6 June 2012 22: 49
      Not quite burning, I'm sorry. According to the results of the Second Lebanese, when Merkava tanks of various modifications were used, and more precisely, up to 400 Merkava tanks of various models were involved in the conflict. A total of 46 tanks were damaged. In 24 cases, the armor was pierced. In 3, the ammunition detonated from these cases. Not a single tank caught fire. Five tanks were found to be unrepairable: two that were blown up on landmines and three that were hit by ATGMs (one each Merkava-2, Merkava-3 and Merkava-4). At that time, active protection systems were not installed on the tanks.

      Excerpt from the article
      http://www.waronline.org/IDF/Articles/history/2nd-lebanon-war/acv-losses/

      Сonclusion

      Summing up the above figures, we can state the following:

      45 tanks were hit by ATGMs and RPG grenades, all in all, 51 rocket hit the tanks.
      In 24 cases (47% of the number of hits), the cumulative jet pierced the armor of the tanks, apparently in 3 cases of these 24 tanks detonated the ammunition.
      In total, about 60 BTT units received combat damage, including 48-52 tank. 5 tanks were irretrievably lost - 3 from hit ATGMs (one each Merkava Mk.2, MK.3 and MK.4) and 2 from explosives (one Merkava MK.2 and MK.4).
      Killed 31 fighter of armored forces, incl. 30 Tankers. In addition, another 4 soldier - 3 in the D9 and 1 bulldozers in the heavy Puma armored personnel carrier, died from ATGM hits in the BTT.
      Merkava tanks, especially the latest MK.4 tanks, showed excellent resistance to combat defeats. On average, in each tank whose armor was broken, an 1 tanker was killed, and the ammunition, apparently, detonated only in the 3 tanks of the 24 broken.

      In total, more than a thousand ATGMs and RPG grenades were issued for tanks
  11. +7
    6 June 2012 11: 08
    It looks like "kryzys" touched Israel that they began to sell their tanks. Moreover, the most recent versions. This is LJJ - for a reason.
  12. htpm100
    +2
    6 June 2012 11: 15
    ya sebe ne predstavliau etot tank v djungliax kolumbii, slishkom tyajelyi i slojen v remonte, etot tank tolko dlia armii izraelia, a columbii nujen legkii i bolee nadejnyi tank, pravilno venezuela t72b1 kupila umuyot umuyubor poumyu
  13. SAMEDOV SULEYMAN
    +1
    6 June 2012 11: 21
    Information is dumb! WHY Colombia Merkava-4?
  14. 8 company
    +2
    6 June 2012 11: 27
    Cool tank, I want to go to the market like that. "Dap-dap is your radish worth?" Once I went into a restaurant fully armed in a neighboring country, so they served me SO that it's nice to remember smile
    1. YES.
      +2
      6 June 2012 19: 00
      Will you also shoot radishes? laughing
  15. +5
    6 June 2012 11: 58
    In the course of the photo, the modernized Merkava 2 --- do they really want to drive them under the guise of new ones?
    I personally like the tank, but as I understand it, there won’t be a tender, it’s not good --- it looks like someone in Colombia wants a gesheft. Maybe our scimitar will try to attach it.
    1. +1
      6 June 2012 22: 41
      What the article is illustrated with and what they sell in real life, I think, are two different things.
      Merkava has a plus, which is not often considered, but it is extremely important - convenience for the crew. That is, the crew is physically less tired and able to perform their functions productively for days without actually getting out of the tank (there is even air conditioning there). In the tanks of the Soviet school they always tried to reduce the contour. But due to this and a number of other reasons, the effectiveness of the crew decreased, people got tired faster. This should also be taken into account.
  16. +2
    6 June 2012 12: 51
    do not forget about the compartment for infantrymen) maybe the country needed mobile strong points)) and to be honest, the soil in Colombia is very bad as well as roads ... the equipment is a pity, the tank is very expensive and good ..
    1. Mr. Truth
      0
      6 June 2012 14: 33
      alex shnajder,
      Quote: alex shnajder
      compartment for infantry)

      they didn’t carry infantry in the mercans (and never, in principle) since the installation of 120 mm guns, the ammunition load began to take up more space. And none of the tankers will replace the BC with pencils.
    2. 0
      6 June 2012 22: 37
      In Israel, too, not sugar, especially in winter - at the bottom I attached a few photos
  17. Tirpitz
    +3
    6 June 2012 13: 10
    Quote: Tjumenec72

    What is so cool about this reincarnation of the mouse?
    Is that a reservation, but it depends on who ...

    Crew survival after hitting.
  18. Gavrilon
    +1
    6 June 2012 14: 24
    PT-76 Stuff with all sorts of stuff and drive with 10 percent wrap. light waterfowl with sufficient firepower. laughing
  19. +2
    6 June 2012 14: 42
    Merkava tank maximally adapted to specific conditions ... I would have thought a lot on the spot of the Colombians ...
  20. the gray wolf
    0
    6 June 2012 14: 47
    I don’t know how good this tank is. Leo 2 I think better.
    http://izrus.co.il/obshie_novosti/news/2012-06-06/54849.html
  21. +2
    6 June 2012 15: 24
    Currently, there are no tanks in the arsenal of the country's NE.

    How is it that half the world is supplied with drugs and not a single tank?
  22. -2
    6 June 2012 15: 26
    Specialists are bad, really no one sees that in the photo Merkava II from the seventh battalion?
  23. +4
    6 June 2012 15: 30
    Quote: professor
    Specialists are bad, really, no one sees that in the photograph of Merkav II from the seventh battalion?


    Well, why are you like this?
    Quote: Kars
    In the course of the photo, the modernized Merkava 2 --- do they really want to drive them under the guise of new ones?

    I do not know the number of the battalion, but along the way, Merkava Siman 2 Beth dor Dalet
    1. +5
      6 June 2012 22: 36
      Everything blocks me by rating. So to continue communication - put more pluses 8))

      In Normandy, more precisely - in the Pacific theater of war, the Far East and Pearl Harbor. Naturally, Pearl Harbor was December 7. But you ruled out the factor of preparation for war. The Japanese - and this is confirmed by various historical documents - were thinking about a war in the Far East. But they came to the conclusion that the two theaters of operations against two large military blocs - the USSR and Western countries could not be pulled. The Pacific Theater was a priority for a number of reasons - in particular, the Dutch East Indies had significant oil and rubber reserves. In addition, the Allies supplied the Chinese army - this artery had to be cut. They had their own needs and their own blitzkrieg. The Germans were Germans, but the Japanese were vigilant about their interests. In addition, they perfectly remembered Khalkhin Gol. wink Therefore, they refused the war with the USSR at that time.

      All this made it possible to free up fresh divisions from the Far East near Moscow, where this reinforcements arrived in time, played a decisive role and made it possible to repel the German attack. And since the Americans were branded very quickly, and on April 16, they bombed Tokyo and a number of other cities (little real damage, great psychological effect), and then they began to really hit the Japanese around June, the Japanese were no longer in the Soviet Union. Which, presumably, played a very serious role in the victory over the Nazis.
      1. +1
        6 June 2012 22: 46
        Quote: Pimply
        Naturally, Pearl Harbor was December 7

        This is enough against the background of the phrase ---- The USSR won the battle for Moscow due to the Japanese getting bogged down in battles with the Americans.

        So sorry.
        Quote: Pimply
        All this

        Nothing is ---- look at the start date of the redeployment of the Far Eastern Army, or do you think the road is close from the Far East?
        All asthal does not play a role, like the Doolittle raid, ours began to bomb Berlin faster.
        Quote: Pimply
        and then they started really beating the Japanese around June, the Japanese were no longer up to the USSR

        The dogger has a ridiculous expression — as soon as the Japanese decided on a war with the United States, they naturally had no time for a war with the USSR.
        Quote: Pimply
        Which, presumably, played a very serious role in the victory over the Nazis.

        None. The American crash. Only slowed down Lend-Lease supplies to the USSR, that's all he did.
        1. Eugene
          +1
          6 June 2012 23: 44
          Quote: Kars
          as soon as the Japanese decided on a war with the United States, they naturally had no time for a war with the USSR.

          Andrei, interestingly, Sorge reported that Japan would start a war with the USSR in August 1941, but something did not grow together.
  24. +1
    6 June 2012 15: 30
    Although no, I found one:

    And one more:
  25. 0
    6 June 2012 20: 57
    Guys! Who knows? Why did the Israelis spend so much money that they are forced to sell their "best" tanks in the world? Who knows?
    By the way, when determining the best tank, motressourse is far from last. Sincerely.
    1. Aleksey67
      +3
      6 June 2012 20: 59
      Quote: suharev-52
      Guys! Who knows? Why did the Israelis spend so much money that they are forced to sell their "best" tanks in the world?

      In Germany, she seems to have paid all the Holocaust debts winked, which means you need to look for a new source of money. winked
  26. radikdan79
    +1
    6 June 2012 22: 08
    maybe I will repeat the words of other bloggers, but still ...
    "Merkava" was originally created for warfare in desert and rocky soil. hence the large mass and width of the tank. here is an excerpt from the article (full version http://www.snariad.ru (see blogs. Israeli tank "Merkava" 4)
    "... Even when developing the tank model Merkava-1, the designers took into account all the features of the operation of the machine in Israel - limited human resources and the small size of the army. In this regard, minimizing the loss of soldiers has become a paramount task for the Israeli military command. Given these facts, with Creation of the Merkava-4, in the first place was to ensure the safety of the crew, that is, reliable armor protection of the tank, and only then the firepower and mobility of the vehicle.Nevertheless, all parameters were strengthened on the Merkava-4.
    A new gun was installed on the Merkava-4 - a smooth-bore gun, 120 mm caliber, the same as the Merkava-3 model, except for the increased projectile speed and firing accuracy. The firepower of the tank is enhanced thanks to the LAHAT guided missile.
    It is alleged that it is able to hit not only ground, but also air targets. The Merkava-4 engine has a capacity of 1500 l / s - this is a quarter more powerful than the previous model. In general, the new Israeli combat vehicle is comparable in speed and weight to the Abrams American gas turbine tank ...
    ...The only obvious drawback of the Merkava-4 is its large weight, which exceeds 60 tons. Experts believe that when operating on clay soil, this machine can be completely helpless. Although the creators developed the design of the tank exclusively for the conditions of their region - stony soils and deserts..."
    pay attention to the last paragraph. Colombia’s choice is at least surprising ... request
    1. +5
      6 June 2012 22: 19
      Well, for about three to four months - that is, a third of the year, tropical rains in Israel, that is, mud, floods, and other moments - are present .. There are places where it is snowing actively. In Israel there are 17 climatic zones, and the landscape can change at an astonishing rate.


      Merkava 2 on Hermon


      Something constantly flashes about the "heavy" Merkava? Merkava - "flying tank" wink


      Merkava in the mud? Like, he is for the desert belay


      How, again?


      So, this is already completely frivolous! Who put the "Merkava" into the water, admit it!
      1. 0
        6 June 2012 23: 04
        I have Merkava 2 as in the third and fifth photos, though with old screens.
        1. Eugene
          +3
          6 June 2012 23: 54
          That's just it, that only 4 in the first photo (not sure) where the snow is shallow, and the rest do not weigh under 70 tons like it.
          It’s not quite what I would like to see request
  27. 0
    6 June 2012 22: 14
    Interestingly, friends of Jews and brothers of the Georgians will also sell them.
    1. 0
      8 June 2012 01: 15
      Not. For two reasons - political and economic.

      a) Political - not in Jerusalem
      b) Economic - Georgia often does not pay bills. For UAVs, for example, still must
  28. patriot2
    +2
    6 June 2012 22: 33
    radikdan79, You're right
    Huge distances swamps, forests, mountains and a small population hinder the development of land transport, contributing to the increasing use of air traffic.
    In total, there are 4160 km of railways and more than 100 km of roads, including the Colombian highway of international importance connecting Venezuela with Ecuador.
    Colombia dominates equatorial and subequatorial types of climate. Monthly average temperatures in the lowlands are about 29 ° C, in the mountains at altitudes of 2000-3000 m - 13-16 ° C. Precipitation falls from 150 mm per year in the northeast up to 10 mm in the Pacific Lowland (one of the wettest places on Earth).
    Mangroves predominate on the Caribbean coast, wet evergreen vegetation on the northern lowlands and the Pacific lowlands, and savannahs (called “llanos”) in the northeast and north. In the Andes, vegetation changes depending on the height (altitudinal zonation): the lower slopes covered with forests gradually turn into light forest, replaced by a shrub zone, grasses and alpine meadows.
    this is from wikipedia
    Therefore, the fate of this tank is a mobile bunker and nothing more