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In the Russian Federation, commented on the statement about the role of third countries in the "Kerch" incident

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The statement of the President of Bulgaria Rumen Radev contains a lot of nuances, but on two fundamental points one cannot but agree with him, wrote in Facebook member of the Federation Council Franz Klintsevich.




As Radev noted on Friday, not only Russia and Ukraine are involved in the "Kerch" incident, there are also third countries, so now there is no need to decide who is to blame for the conflict - Moscow or Ukraine.

According to him, today it is necessary to look for a fundamental solution to the problem: European countries should not be hostages of Ukrainian ambitions, and Ukrainian sailors should not pay for them. And the sooner this conflict ends, the better it will be for the entire Black Sea region, since no one wants to militarize the sea.

Klintsevich, commenting on this statement, noted that its essence did not become a revelation for Moscow, but it is important that it was made by the leader of one of the Black Sea states, for whom the incident is not an event that happened on the other side of the planet.

The senator noted that Radev's words contain some controversial points, but in two main points he is absolutely right: first, third countries were involved in the provocation, which literally pushed Kiev to an offense; second, none of the states should be hostage to the domestic political ambitions of the Ukrainian leadership, which is preparing for the elections in this way.

And the truth about third countries and the organization of the conflict, according to Klintsevich, will come up anyway, there is no doubt about it.

We will remind that the incident with violation of the border of the Russian Federation by Ukrainian courts occurred on November 25. As a result, Russian border guards detained two armored boats and a tugboat of the Naval Forces of Ukraine together with the crews. This is a planned provocation, which the sailors themselves later admitted to.
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  1. GKS 2111
    GKS 2111 9 December 2018 14: 01
    +6
    he is absolutely right: first, third countries were involved in the provocation, which literally pushed Kiev to commit an offense; second, none of the states should be hostage to the domestic political ambitions of the Ukrainian leadership, which is preparing for the elections in this way.

    Neither add nor diminish ...
    1. Egorovich
      Egorovich 9 December 2018 14: 11
      +10
      The star-striped snout is present in all world provocations. They sleep poorly if there is well-being somewhere. They immediately have thoughts of how to defile. Genetic is theirs.
      1. Machito
        Machito 9 December 2018 14: 30
        +2
        The Kerch provocation was carried out under the strict guidance of the Gestapo, guilty of torturing civilians in Berdyansk. The executioner himself sailed to the pier for executions.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 9 December 2018 14: 36
          +4
          Yes, this is an ordinary six .. There is such a breed of mongrels. The head will not substitute himself for a volley of a "sewing machine" ..
          1. Tatar 174
            Tatar 174 9 December 2018 16: 50
            +4
            Quote: 210ox

            Yes, this is an ordinary six .. There is such a breed of mongrels

            Yes, this breed of mongrels is now read the whole of Europe is chock-full and in Russia their darkness ... They are all paid for with green bills, and they print these green bills even with a bucket of an excavator.
            Quote: Egorovich
            Genetic is theirs.
            This is called business and nothing more (((
            Quote: Egorovich

            The star-striped snout is present in all world provocations.
            It is the main ingredient or derivative of their way of doing business.
        2. Bellerophon
          Bellerophon 9 December 2018 19: 14
          0
          Have you sailed yourself? Have the Brandero-Papuans already started to swim? ))))))))))))))
      2. Terenin
        Terenin 9 December 2018 14: 56
        +3
        Quote: Egorovich
        The star-striped snout is present in all world provocations. They sleep poorly if there is well-being somewhere. They immediately have thoughts of how to defile. Genetic is theirs.

        Yes, don't go to "grandma", it is American values ​​that are the cause of chaos in the world. yes
    2. GRF
      GRF 9 December 2018 14: 37
      +1
      Quote: GKS 2111
      he is absolutely right: first, third countries were involved in the provocation, which literally pushed Kiev to commit an offense; second, none of the states should be hostage to the domestic political ambitions of the Ukrainian leadership, which is preparing for the elections in this way.

      Neither add nor diminish ...

      And what about how to deal with the third countries that pushed Kiev?
      And then, as I understand it, the sailors will remain extreme, who are presented as a kind of almost innocent ...
      1. Andrey Chistyakov
        Andrey Chistyakov 9 December 2018 15: 05
        -1
        Quote: GRF
        Quote: GKS 2111
        he is absolutely right: first, third countries were involved in the provocation, which literally pushed Kiev to commit an offense; second, none of the states should be hostage to the domestic political ambitions of the Ukrainian leadership, which is preparing for the elections in this way.

        Neither add nor diminish ...

        And what about how to deal with the third countries that pushed Kiev?
        And then, as I understand it, the sailors will remain extreme, who are presented as a kind of almost innocent ...

        Petya assigned a scholarship to the "sailors". Well, when they come out ...
        1. GRF
          GRF 9 December 2018 15: 39
          0
          How lucky they were with Petya ...
          Are we going to involve Petya for organizing hooliganism? Or do we not want to leave the people of Ukraine without scholarships?
          1. Andrey Chistyakov
            Andrey Chistyakov 9 December 2018 15: 41
            0
            Quote: GRF
            How lucky they were with Petya ...
            Are we going to involve Petya for organizing hooliganism? Or do we not want to leave the people of Ukraine without scholarships?

            On occasion, if ... There, and without us, it's his turn to strangle him.
            1. GRF
              GRF 9 December 2018 16: 05
              +2
              What would we condemn Petya in absentia, what hinders?
              Those criminal orders that he had previously given were in relation to Donbass, not us, and I do not know how many should accumulate so that at least someone would sue him for genocide ...
              Tony Blair admitted the invasion of Iraq was a mistake ... How many millions were affected? But not enough to convict him, even in an Iraqi court ..
  2. Observer2014
    Observer2014 9 December 2018 14: 08
    +2
    European countries should not be hostages of Ukrainian ambitions, and Ukrainian sailors should not pay for them. And the sooner this conflict ends, the better it will be for the entire Black Sea region, since no one wants to militarize the sea.
    Nobody wants. Now including these Ukrainian sailors. Together with sbushniki. Speaking of the latter, will they be counted as boat crews? Or what other wording will they come up with? For the sailors are sailors. And these cadres. This is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. repeat
    1. rayruav
      rayruav 9 December 2018 14: 13
      0
      is he really identified?
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 9 December 2018 14: 20
      +2
      Quote: Observer2014
      Screams like "free Nadia" will not work We will see

      Did the screams roll with Nadia? Everything will be as always: condemned, recruited, amnestied and sent home
      1. 210ox
        210ox 9 December 2018 15: 00
        +2
        Maybe they'll also give out a mortar. wassat
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 9 December 2018 15: 03
          0
          Quote: 210ox
          Maybe they'll also give out a mortar.

          And then! They found a whole arsenal at Nadia laughing
    3. Evdokim
      Evdokim 9 December 2018 14: 25
      0
      Quote: Observer2014
      Together with sbushniki. Speaking of the latter, will they be counted as boat crews?

      Probably, like commissars or special officers, or maybe something like blocking a detachment, so as not to turn off course and fight with enemies, at least in hysterics. bully
    4. Tersky
      Tersky 9 December 2018 14: 56
      +2
      Quote: Observer2014
      Will they be counted as boat crews?

      winked What is it like? One SBU = one crew? Or from a series of army humor "One Tatar in two rows - become !!!"
  3. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 9 December 2018 14: 12
    +3
    What is there to procrastinate, there are violators, punish them, confiscate ships, and not smear snot. Russia in its own right, whoever disagrees, can kill themselves against the wall.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 9 December 2018 15: 07
      +9
      Quote: Sands Career General
      What is there to procrastinate, there are violators, punish them, confiscate ships, and not smear snot. Russia in its own right, whoever disagrees, can kill themselves against the wall.

      In France, the police do not stand on ceremony and do not know what tolerance is.
      In Mantes-la-Jolie, French police detained about 180 lyceum students and students, the youngest of whom are only 12 years old, and put them on their knees, some in handcuffs. The video has spread all over the world. However, the democratic community is in no hurry to show solidarity with the "onyzhedets" who smashed cars.

      1. GRF
        GRF 9 December 2018 15: 31
        +1
        Well, it is hypocritical to condemn them now, and when they condemn us for like that, then either we have a short memory, or we are too polite when we do not poke at like in response ...
        We need to memorize such posts better, thanks ...
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 9 December 2018 15: 51
          +2
          Quote: GRF
          Well, condemning them now is hypocritical

          After France's refusal to fulfill an order for Russia for two helicopter carriers with their authorities, one cannot sit at the same table ...
          And why is little Cuba not running around the UN hall, but simply stating the facts of violations? Why doesn't the little DPRK apologize for its nuclear program and missile launches? Why is Iran, which has been put under blockade, in no hurry to seek meetings with Trump?
          Yes, because the power there is from the people, and our government is the fosterlings of the EBN, - from the dollar. Therefore, the harshest position of Russia is expressed by concern. Concern for the safety of goods exported and purchased abroad. They will play their roles and wind up in the same way as Yeltsin's entourage did. As the "respected and worthy" Russians did it - the elite who choke on smog on the banks of the Thames.
          1. GRF
            GRF 9 December 2018 16: 42
            -1
            It is hypocritical to condemn the French for putting things in order even in such "uncivilized" ways. There must be order. And it should not be directed by PMCs with chops, but by the state.
            Lack of desire to meet with Trump is not an indicator of the nationality of power (power from the people will eventually become the same as everyone else).
            They export wealth abroad. Well this is legal. I do not like? (And me too) so why did they vote for such a law? Didn't vote? Then why don't you block it? No possibility?
            How many people export the wealth of the Motherland abroad a thousand? five? Hundred? How many are against? - millions. Why don't millions speak out against it? Because there is no possibility, but they do not want to go out, they are afraid of revolutions, and this is correct, which does not prohibit the struggle for the evolution of the system ...
  4. Russia
    Russia 9 December 2018 14: 12
    +4
    Well, here third countries from the very beginning look after the square.
  5. IL-18
    IL-18 9 December 2018 14: 12
    +1
    The Italians, the Austrians, the Vegres are unhappy with the sanctions against Russia. And here, no matter who is to blame, the main thing is that Russia "aggressively" detained the violator. And there, in the West, it is like this: everything to friends, law to enemies. The sanctions are being extended, gentlemen!
  6. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 9 December 2018 14: 15
    +4
    Is there a smell of gas next to the former brothers? From here and the half-truth.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 9 December 2018 14: 31
      +2
      Quote: ODERVIT
      +1
      Is there a smell of gas next to the former brothers? From here and the half-truth.

      Well, the truth is in the "Turkish Stream" which, as we have already understood from the recent visits of the Bulgarian and Serbian brothers, has a unique property of bringing peoples closer together. yes And as confirmation - the freshest visit to the smell of Alexis Tsipras, it turns out the Greeks also want to "get closer".
      1. cniza
        cniza 9 December 2018 18: 55
        +2
        Otherwise, they lined up in line when they realized that there would be a flow, but they could fly by.
    2. Machito
      Machito 9 December 2018 14: 34
      +1
      They smell of gas for a long time: hydrogen sulfide.
  7. Soulful
    Soulful 9 December 2018 14: 16
    0
    As Radev noted on Friday, not only Russia and Ukraine are involved in the "Kerch" incident, there are also third countries, so now there is no need to decide who is to blame for the conflict - Moscow or Ukraine.

    Aha, we supposedly didn't understand whose ears stick out from across the ocean and other small but warlike territories ..))))
  8. rayruav
    rayruav 9 December 2018 14: 33
    +2
    punish to the fullest extent of the law so that they know what awaits them
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 9 December 2018 14: 43
    +1
    What happened to the politician and President of Bulgaria Rumen Radev? As a rule, countries such as Bulgaria do not expose third countries for provocations, but quietly follow the lead of the United States. Something else you didn’t share?
    1. Andrey Chistyakov
      Andrey Chistyakov 9 December 2018 15: 06
      -2
      Quote: APASUS
      What happened to the politician and President of Bulgaria Rumen Radev? As a rule, countries such as Bulgaria do not expose third countries for provocations, but quietly follow the lead of the United States. Something else you didn’t share?

      As usual ... Salo.
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 9 December 2018 15: 11
      -1
      Quote: APASUS
      and quietly walking in the wake of the United States. Something else you didn’t share?

      Why, Trump screwed up at the Summit. So far, an armistice has been negotiated with the Chinese. Vladimir Vladimirovich whispered with Europe, but with the Saudis. And the riot is brewing bully
  10. AshiSolo
    AshiSolo 9 December 2018 15: 06
    0
    I think our potato aircraft carrier was still there. From the 6th Fleet, he nudged, and from our shores sailed and shoved Khokhlov abroad. Such is the third party, yes ...
  11. shura7782
    shura7782 9 December 2018 16: 10
    +2
    ...... there are also third countries .....

    In general, it is very strange to hear this from the president of the country, especially the fact that he wants to create some kind of intrigue on the issue.
    ...... who is to blame for the conflict - Moscow or Ukraine.
    It is also doubtful that the president makes such a blunder when he equates the capital with the state.
    1. cniza
      cniza 9 December 2018 18: 53
      +2
      Do not forget that this was written by a journalist, and everyone is doing bloopers.
      1. shura7782
        shura7782 9 December 2018 19: 43
        +1
        Quote: cniza
        Do not forget that this was written by a journalist, and everyone is doing bloopers.

        Victor, here are my doubts about the same. I do not see any particular contradictions in our posts.
        1. cniza
          cniza 9 December 2018 21: 18
          +2
          I don’t see it either, it’s just unprofessionalism that always cuts my ear.
    2. alatanas
      alatanas 10 December 2018 14: 53
      0
      The risk of an escalation of the conflict between Russia and Ukraine is real, but in no case should Europe become hostage to Ukrainian domestic politics and ambitions. etc

      - Literal translation from Bulgarian.
      The blooper from the one who quoted. The President answered a question from journalists, but did not make a declaration.
  12. ZVS
    ZVS 9 December 2018 16: 54
    +3
    This cowardice, due to which both Klintsevich and everyone else are afraid to name third countries, gives these third countries additional trump cards.
    We must speak directly about the United States, Turkey, Germany and France.
    1. cniza
      cniza 9 December 2018 18: 51
      +1
      So and so everyone understands who is involved in these matters, and politicians are cautious ...
  13. bone1
    bone1 9 December 2018 19: 14
    0
    Oh -! - "third countries are mixed" - tell me which ones? then - he doesn't know that? laughing ) -and when it is necessary to decide? -years after 50? -and what is there to decide who is to blame? laughing
  14. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 10 December 2018 16: 23
    0
    Quote: Terenin
    Quote: Sands Career General
    What is there to procrastinate, there are violators, punish them, confiscate ships, and not smear snot. Russia in its own right, whoever disagrees, can kill themselves against the wall.

    In France, the police do not stand on ceremony and do not know what tolerance is.
    In Mantes-la-Jolie, French police detained about 180 lyceum students and students, the youngest of whom are only 12 years old, and put them on their knees, some in handcuffs. The video has spread all over the world. However, the democratic community is in no hurry to show solidarity with the "onyzhedets" who smashed cars.


    It should be so. Ruined property, pay.