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The Holy Inquisition

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The emergence and existence over the centuries of special papal tribunals (inquisitions) is the most shameful and grim page in stories catholic church. In most modern people, inquisitors' activity is usually associated with the “dark ages” of the early Middle Ages, but it did not stop even during the Renaissance and Modern Times. The appearance of the Inquisition was associated with the activities of Dominic Guzmán (a trusted employee of Pope Innocent III) and the monastic order he created.



Pope Innocent III


The Holy Inquisition

Dominic Guzman, portrait of an unknown artist, Amsterdam National Museum


The first victims of the church tribunals were the Cathars (also known as the Albigensians from the city of Albi), the inhabitants of Aquitaine, Languedoc and Provence, who had fallen into heresy. The name “Cathars” comes from the Greek word “pure,” but the “apostates” themselves usually called themselves “good people,” and their organization, the “Church of love.” In the XII century in the south of France, the Waldenses sect (named after the Lyon merchant Pierre Waldo) also appeared and gained great popularity, which was recognized heretical at the Verona Cathedral of 1184. Common to all such heretical sects was the condemnation of the acquiescence of the hierarchs of the official church, the denial of magnificent ceremonies and rites. It is believed that the Teaching of the Cathars came to Western Europe from the East, and is closely connected with the Manichaean sects and the Gnostic teachings. The immediate predecessors and "teachers" of the Cathars were probably the Byzantine Pavlikians and Bulgarian Bogomils. But, in general, there was no strict “canon” of the teachings of “good people”, and some researchers have different sects and trends before 40. Common was the recognition of the creator god of this World as an evil demon who captured particles of divine light, which are human souls. The soul consisting of light is striving towards God, but its body reaches for the Devil. Christ, however, is neither God nor man, he is the Angel who appeared to point out the only way to salvation through complete detachment from the material world. The preachers of the Cathars were called "weavers," since It is this profession that they most often chose for naturalization at a new place. They could be recognized by their emaciated appearance and pale faces. They were "perfect" - teachers, devotees of the faith, whose main commandment was the prohibition to spill someone's blood. The hierarchs of the Catholic Church sounded the alarm: entire regions of Europe were getting out of control of Rome because of a sect that preached some not entirely Christian humility and abstinence. The cover of secrecy that surrounded the heretics seemed the most terrible: “Swear and bear false witness, but do not reveal the secret,” the Cathars' honor code read. Dominic Guzman, a trusted employee of Pope Innocent III, went to Languedoc to strengthen the authority of the Catholic Church by his personal example, but "alone in the field is not a warrior: Dominic lost the competition in asceticism and eloquence" perfect ". Embittered by failure, he reported to his patron that heinous heresy Cathars can only be broken by military force and the invasion of the Crusaders into Languedoc was decided. This unworthy act did not prevent Dominic’s canonization, but centuries passed and in the poem “The Virgin of Orleans” Voltaire was merciless, described Vai hellish torments of the founder of the Dominican Order:

... Eternal torment
I deservedly brought upon myself.
I built persecution on the Albigensians,
And the world was not sent to destroy,
And here I am burning for the fact that he himself burned them.


The crusades to Languedoc are better known as the Albigoye Wars. They started in 1209. The issue of reconciliation with the official Catholic Church at first could still be resolved by monetary payments: “voluntarily repentant” paid the fine to the pope, people forced to “repent” at the episcopal court were sentenced to confiscation of property, the rest were awaited by the fire. Repentant never had too much. Dominique Guzmán became an adviser to the military leader of the Crusaders Simon de Montfort from the start of hostilities.


Dominic Guzman and Simon de Montfort


Our time has come up with an eerie description of the storming of the Albigoyan city of Beziers, which was left by Caesarium of Heisterbach
"Having learned from shouts that there are Orthodox in the city taken along with the heretics, they (the warriors) said to the abbot (Arnold-Amory, abbot of the Cistercian monastery of Sito):" What should we do, Father? We are not able to distinguish the good from the evil. "And the abbot (as well as others), fearing that heretics for fear of death did not pretend to be Orthodox, but later did not return to their superstition, said, as they say:" Beat them all, for The Lord recognizes his own. "


Despite the fact that the forces of the opposing sides were not equal, it was not until March 1244 that the last Cathar stronghold fell - Montsegur.



Monsegur


274 "committed" (they had no right to fight with weapons in their hands) then they went to the stake, the other defenders of the fortress (who happened to be about 100 people) the enemies offered to save their lives, recognizing the Holy Trinity, the sacraments and the pope. Some of them agreed, but some monk ordered to bring the dog and alternately offered the knife to the Barbians: in order to prove the truth of the abdication, they had to strike an animal with them. None of them shed the blood of an innocent creature and everyone was hanged. After this, the “cleansing” of rebellious areas from heretics began. In revealing secret Cathars, the crusaders assiduously helped both faithful Catholics and simply dishonest people, who with the help of denunciations sought to get rid of their enemies or creditors. It is curious that then all the thin and poorly dressed people, whom the crusaders often mistaken for wandering preachers of the Cathars, were under suspicion. In Spain, for example, five Franciscan monks were executed as a result of such an error. This situation required the creation of special commissions that would decide the question of the involvement of a particular person in heresy. Dominic often acted as an “expert” and, in recognition of his achievements, Simon de Montfort in 1214 gave him the “income” derived from the looting of one of the Albigoyan cities. In the same year, the rich Catholics of Toulouse donated three buildings to him. These gifts became the basis for the creation of a new religious order of Dominican monks (1216). The main kind of his activity was the fight against heresy in any of its manifestations, which was expressed, above all, in the collection of compromising materials to the citizens. Therefore, in 1235, the Dominicans were expelled from Toulouse (alas, two years later they returned to it) and were forced to take refuge in other cities in France and Spain. However, there too, the situation of general hostility forced them to settle far beyond the city limits. Dominic Guzman was canonized in 1234 (thirteen years after his death). According to inquisitor Guillaume Pelisson, the Toulouse Dominicans staged a gala dinner on this occasion, during which it was reported that one of the women dying nearby had received a “counselor” - the Qatari equivalent of a communion rite before death. The worthy successors of St. Dominic immediately interrupted the meal and burned the unfortunate on the Count's meadow.

At first, Dominicans sought out heretics on their own initiative, but already in 1233, Pope Gregory IX published a bull, which officially laid responsibility on them for eradicating heresies. Moreover, the Dominicans were given the power to detach the suspected clergymen of the dignity. Somewhat later, the establishment of a permanent tribunal was announced, of which only Dominicans could be members. This decision was the beginning of the official history of the papal Inquisition. The sentences handed down by the inquisitors were not subject to appeal, and their actions were so unceremonious that they caused legitimate indignation even from local bishops. Their opposition to the actions of the inquisitors was so open at that time that the 1248 Cathedral in a special message threatened disobedient bishops from being allowed into their own churches if they did not agree with the sentences of the Dominicans. It was only in 1273 that Pope Gregory X found a compromise: the inquisitors were ordered to act in cooperation with the local church authorities and there was no longer any friction between them. The interrogations of the suspects were accompanied by the most sophisticated torture, during which the executioners were allowed everything except for the spilling of blood. However, sometimes blood was still spilled, and Pope Alexander IV in 1260 gave the inquisitors permission to absolve one another for any "unforeseen accidents."

As for the legal basis of the Inquisition, they were the laws of the Roman Empire: Roman law contained around 60 provisions against heresy. Surrender to the fire, for example, in Rome was the standard punishment for patricide, desecrating the temple, arson, witchcraft and treason. Therefore, the largest number of victims burned was in the countries formerly belonging to the Roman Empire: in Italy, Spain, Portugal, the southern regions of Germany and France. But in England and Scandinavia, the actions of the inquisitors did not receive such scope, since the laws of these countries were not taken from Roman law. In England, moreover, torture was prohibited (this does not mean that they were not used). However, the processes against witches and heretics in this country were somewhat hampered.

How did the inquisitors work in practice? Sometimes the inquisitors came to the city or monastery secretly (as described in the novel “The Name of the Rose” by Umberto Eco). But more often the population was informed about their visit in advance. After this, the secret heretics were given "grace time" (from 15 to 30 days) for which they could repent and return to the bosom of the church. As punishment to those, they promised the penance, which usually represented a public spanking on Sundays throughout life (!). Another form of penance was pilgrimage. The person who makes the “Small Pilgrimage” was obliged to visit the 19 local holy places, in each of which he was whipped with rods. The “Great Pilgrimage” envisioned a trip to Jerusalem, Rome, Santiago de Compostelo or Canterbury. It lasted several years. During this time, the heretic’s affairs fell into decay and the family went bankrupt. Another way to earn forgiveness was to participate in the crusades (sinners had to fight from two to eight years). The number of heretics in the crusading armies gradually increased, and the Pope began to fear that the Holy Land would be "infected" with their teachings. Therefore, this practice was soon banned. Another very interesting and attractive (for the inquisitors themselves) form of penance became fines. Later, a bright thought came to the heads of the hierarchs of the Catholic Church that payment for sins could be taken in advance - and numerous “sky dealers” drove along the roads of Europe (as humanists writers of the Reformation era called sellers of notorious indulgences).

Having finished with the "volunteers", the inquisitors began to search for secret heretics. There was no shortage of denunciations: the temptation to settle scores with old enemies was too great. If a person was denounced by two witnesses, he was summoned to the Inquisition Tribunal and, as a rule, was taken into custody. Torture helped win confessions in almost all cases. Neither social status nor national fame saved from the sentence. In France, for example, on charges of dealing with demons, the people's heroine Jeanne d'Arc and her comrade-in-arms, Marshal of France Baron Gilles de Rey (who went into legends under the nickname "Duke Bluebeard") were executed. But there were also exceptions to the rule. So the famous astronomer Kepler, after many years of litigation, was able to prove the innocence of his mother, accused of witchcraft. Agrippa of Nestheim, who became the prototype of Doctor Faust, saved a woman sentenced to be burned at the stake for witchcraft, accusing the inquisitor of heresy: by insisting on the re-baptism of the accused, he declared that the inquisitor, by his accusation, denied the great sacrament to which the defendant was subjected, and he was even sentenced to fine.


Heinrich Agrippa Nestgames

And Michel Nostradamus, who received a call to the Inquisition, managed to escape from France. He traveled to Lorraine, Italy, Flanders, and when the inquisitors left the city of Bordeaux, he returned to Provence and even received a pension from the parliament of this province.

In Spain, the Inquisition initially acted no more actively than in other Western European countries. Moreover, inquisitors appeared in Castile, Leon, and Portugal only in 1376 — a century and a half later than in France. The situation changed in 1478, when the queen of Castile, Isabella and her husband, the future king of Aragon (from 1479), Ferdinand, established their own inquisition. In February, 1482 was appointed the prior of the monastery in Segovia, Thomas de Torquemada, as the Grand Inquisitor of Spain. It was he who became the prototype of the protagonist of the famous Parable of the Grand Inquisitor by Fyodor Dostoevsky’s novel The Brothers Karamazov. In 1483, he was appointed head of the supreme council of the Inquisition (Suprema) - the general inquisitor, and it was he who had the dubious honor of becoming the personification of the Inquisition in its most dismal manifestations.


Thomas de Torquemada


Personality Torquemada very controversial: on the one hand, he was a strict vegetarian, refused the rank of cardinal, all his life he wore a coarse robe of a Dominican monk. On the other hand, he dwelt in magnificent palaces, and the people appeared accompanied by a retinue of 50 horsemen and 250 soldiers. A feature of the Spanish inquisition was its pronounced anti-Semitic orientation. So, of all those convicted by the Inquisition in Barcelona for the period from 1488 to 1505. The 99,3% were “converse” (forcibly baptized Jews convicted of performing Judaism rites), in Valencia between 1484-1530. those turned out to be 91,6%. The persecution of the Jews had unfortunate consequences for the country's economy, King Ferdinand understood this, but was adamant: “We go for it, despite the obvious harm to ourselves, preferring the salvation of our souls to our own advantage,” he wrote to his courtiers. Baptized descendants of the Moors were also persecuted. Carlos Fuentes wrote that at the end of the 15th century "Spain expelled sensuality with the Moors and intellect with the Jews." Science, culture, industrial production declined, and Spain for many centuries has become one of the most backward countries in Western Europe. The success of the Spanish royal inquisition in the fight against dissidents turned out to be so great that in 1542 the papal inquisition was reconstructed according to its model, which now became known as the “Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Ecumenical Inquisition” or simply “Sacred Office”. The decisive blow to the Spanish Inquisition was dealt in 1808, when Napoleon’s marshal Joachim Murat’s army occupied this country. Times have changed, but the inquisitors, who have found it possible to arrest Secretary Murat, a well-known philologist and militant atheist, have not changed. Murat did not understand the humor of the situation and, instead of having a good laugh at the successful joke of the “holy fathers”, sent his dashing cavalrymen to them.


Joachim Murat


In a short theological dispute, the dragoons proved themselves worthy heirs of the great French philosophers: they easily proved to their opponents both the profound fallacy of the position they occupied, and the absolute uselessness of the existence of their archaic organization. 4 December 1808 Napoleon signed a decree banning the inquisition and confiscating its property. In 1814, Ferdinand VII, restored on the Spanish throne, Bourbon issued a decree restoring the Inquisition, but it was like trying to reanimate a decayed corpse.


Ferdinand VII of Bourbon, King of Spain, attempted to revive the Inquisition in 1814


In 1820, the inhabitants of Barcelona and Valencia crushed the premises of the Inquisition. In other cities, the "holy fathers" also felt very uncomfortable. 15 July 1834 The royal ban of the Inquisition put an end to this agony.

While the “own” inquisition of the monarchs of Spain hunted secret Jews and Moriscos, the papal inquisition found a new enemy in Central and Northern Europe. The witches turned out to be the enemy of the church and of God, and in some villages and cities of Germany and Austria soon there were almost no women left.


Victor Monsano i Mehorada. Scene of the Inquisition


Until the end of the 15th century, the Catholic Church considered witchcraft a deception that the devil sows. But in 1484, the pope recognized the reality of witchcraft, and the University of Cologne in 1491 issued a warning that any challenge to the existence of witchcraft would entail persecution of the Inquisition. Thus, if belief in witchcraft was previously considered heresy, now disbelief in it was declared as such. In 1486, Mr. Heinrich Institoris and Jacob Sprenger published the book The Witch Hammer, which some researchers call the “most shameful and indecent in all of Western civilization history”, others “the manual of sexual psychopathology”.


Witch Hammer



"Where there are many women, there are many witches." Heinrich Kramer, illustration for the “Witch's Hammer”, 1486


In this work, the authors stated that the forces of darkness are helpless in themselves and are capable of doing evil only with the help of an intermediary, which is the witch. The 500 pages detail the manifestations of witchcraft, various ways to establish contact with the devil, copulate with demons, describe formulas and recipes for exorcism, and rules that must be followed when dealing with witches. The chronicles of those years are simply full of descriptions of executions of unhappy women.


William Russell. Burning witch


So, in 1585, in two German villages after the visit of the inquisitors, only one woman survived. And in Trier for the period from 1587 to 1593. one witch per week was burned. The last victims of the Hammer of the Witches were burned in Segedin (Hungary) on 1739.


The Witness Trial: an Illustration for the Fiery Angel, a novel by V. Bryusov


In the 16th century, Protestants destroyed the centuries-old monopoly of the Catholic clergy on the knowledge and interpretation of the sacred texts of the Gospel and the Old Testament. In a number of countries translations of the Bible into local languages ​​were carried out, the rapid development of typography sharply lowered the cost of books and made them accessible to the general population.

"Before printing, the reformation was only a split, - wrote V. Hugo, - typography turned it into a revolution. "

In an effort to prevent the spread of the ideas of the Reformation, the Inquisition Tribunals introduced a new form of censorship. In 1554, the infamous “Index of Forbidden Books” appeared, including works by Erasmus Rotterdam, Martin Luther, tales of King Arthur, the Talmud, 30 Bible translations and 11 translations of the New Testament, magic, alchemy and astrology. The latest full edition of Index appeared in the Vatican in 1948. Among the banned authors were Balzac, Voltaire, Hugo, father and son of Dumas, Zola, Stendhal, Flaubert and many others. It was only in 1966 that common sense nevertheless triumphed and the Index of Forbidden Books was abolished.

The XVIII century brought the Inquisition new concerns: July 25 The 1737 was held in Florence in the secret conference of the Holy Chancellery, which was attended by the Pope, three cardinals and a general inquisitor. The topic of discussion was the masons: the highest hierarchs of Rome were convinced that freemasonry was only a cover for a new and extremely dangerous heresy. 9 months later, Pope Clement XII issued the first of a long series of bulls devoted to the condemnation of Freemasonry. However, on this front, Catholic Rome was also expected to fail and fail, all the more offensive because the clergy themselves did not listen to the voice of the leadership. Threats and promises of the car did not work: in Mainz, the Masonic lodge almost entirely consisted of clergymen, in Erfurt the box was organized by the future bishop of this city, and in Vienna two royal chaplains, the rector of a theological institution and two priests, became active masons. Individual masons were arrested by the Inquisition (for example, Casanova and Cagliostro), but this did not affect the general trend of the spread of the "Masonic contagion".

An Inquisition called the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith still exists today. Moreover, this department is the most important in the hierarchy of the Vatican and is listed first in all documents. The official head of the Congregation is the pope himself, and the highest official (the current great inquisitor) is the prefect of this department. The head of the judicial department of the Congregation, and at least two of his assistants, are traditionally Dominicans. Modern inquisitors, of course, cannot endure death sentences, but Orthodox Christians who are not orthodox are still excommunicated from the church. Hering's father, a German moralist theologian, for example, considered his case to be dealt with by the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith more humiliating than the four cases in which he appeared before the court during the time of the Third Reich. It may seem incredible, but in order to be not a faithful Catholic, nowadays, quite openly speak out for birth control (abortion, modern contraception), divorce, criticize the activities of the local bishop or pope (adopted in 1870). no one has canceled the infallibility of the Pope), to express doubt about the possibility of resurrection from the dead. The legitimacy of the Anglican Church of all parishioners, which the Vatican considers heretics, is still denied. Some of the most radical environmentalists among the “greens” in the 80 of the twentieth century were accused of deifying nature and, consequently, of pantheism.

However, time is moving forward, and encouraging trends are noted in the activities of the Vatican. Thus, in 1989, Pope John Paul II admitted that Galileo was right, this same Pope, on behalf of the Catholic Church, publicly repented of the crimes she had committed against dissidents (heretics) and Orthodox Christians. There are persistent rumors about the imminent recognition of Giordano Bruno’s righteousness. These events give reason to hope that the democratization processes of the Catholic Church will continue, and the papal inquisition will really and permanently cease its activities.
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  1. Finches
    Finches 10 December 2018 05: 46
    +22
    "The Dogs of the Lord" Until now, the affairs of the Holy Inquisition are haunted in Europe - they burned beautiful women, broke their genome, now there is no time for fat and Conchita Wurst is chasing a beauty ... They wanted to save humanity from a hundred, but by their deeds they brought a hundred and brought in the form of all LGBT perverts!
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 10 December 2018 06: 24
      +19
      if you look closely at the present world, you can see that the Inquisition has not gone anywhere ... it has taken other forms and contents ... the peoples are being destroyed ... and the local authorities do not stand on ceremony with the local population ..
      1. Finches
        Finches 10 December 2018 06: 36
        +17
        How liberals express the bloody massacre of the ruling regime! laughing The Church, in the name of a merciful, forgiving God in the ecstasy of its love of mankind, has destroyed so many souls during its existence that Hitler, Pol Pot, Caligula and the other bloody tyrants in the history of mankind taken together modestly smoke aside languishing with envy ...
        1. Destiny
          Destiny 10 December 2018 07: 10
          +2
          But, Eugene, not the Orthodox Church, we did not take part in this coven. wink
          1. Finches
            Finches 10 December 2018 07: 19
            +7
            Yes, and ours are good! Only the harsh living conditions and mentality of the people, plus three centuries of being under foreigners made our church really more humane to man!
            1. EvilLion
              EvilLion 10 December 2018 08: 38
              +11
              What do you say, we didn’t burn for pederasty, as for many other strange things (this is so, to the question of tolerastov), ​​but here the last burning of the EMNIP witch was in 1780 in Kamchatka. And there were enough of their heretics, only they burned them not on fires, but in log cabins. Well, or else the fashion was the same as on the stake to stick.
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 10 December 2018 07: 47
            +3
            Quote: Destiny
            But, Eugene, not the Orthodox Church, we did not take part in this coven.

            Of course, the Orthodox Church is the most worthy of all churches, which preserved the true Christian values ​​of philanthropy and kindness during the time of the crazy blood of Europe.

            It seems incredible after the heyday and the achievements of antiquity in Europe, the appearance of savagery, ignorance and the Inquisition there. For a long time from this trouble they came to their senses, but never came to the end.
            1. astepanov
              astepanov 10 December 2018 11: 02
              +26
              Quote: Olgovich
              The Orthodox Church is the most worthy of all the churches, preserving the true Christian values ​​of humanity and kindness during the time of the crazy blood of Europe.

              At the time of Nikon, people were not burned; they were simply deprived of their property and driven into the cold, condemning them to death. The church deprived the country of its original culture - at the time of Alexei Mikhailovich all musical instruments were collected and
              they were burnt, their nostrils and tongues were ripped out of the raeshniks, buffoons and musicians ... The result: in Russia, musical culture - from the West, painting, literature, theater - from the same place. Now there are more churches than clubs and libraries combined. In his native Saratov University, a church was built on campus between shabby buildings, for the repair of which allegedly there is no money. The university was built at the end of the 19th century by the architect Müfke, who did not find it necessary to build a temple on the territory - but now it suddenly became appropriate. The Ministry of Education approved the textbook "Orthodox Biology" by Veryanov, in which nonsense about six days is being dragged through. And the law on the protection of the feelings of believers, not bad, in general, in the absence of a counterbalance in the form of a law on the right to atheism, is monstrous.
              When, in exchange for astronomy, the Law of God is dragged into the school; when the fools who sang the stupid punk prayer in the temple were judged not by law, but by concepts; when the Prime Minister and the President, both atheists and scorched cynics, publicly overshadow themselves with the sign of the cross and kiss the hands of the patriarch, the country is sick. It rolls into the abyss of Orthodox clericalism, and then we get the Orthodox version of the Islamic state, living according to the laws of the Sharia, only much more ugly. I do not want this either for myself or for my children. And therefore I ask: at least sometimes turn on the gyrus, add a little voice of the mind to the voice of the heart.
              1. flavus
                flavus 10 December 2018 11: 44
                -18
                Quote: astepanov
                And the law on the protection of the feelings of believers, not bad, in general, in the absence of a counterweight in the form of the law on the right to atheism, is monstrous

                Your brother pressured 70 years of believers of all faiths by all means. Hands to the elbow in the blood. It’s time and honor to know - bear with it.
                1. astepanov
                  astepanov 10 December 2018 11: 51
                  +17
                  You have been bathing in someone else’s blood for two thousand years - and still you can’t calm down. He would have been silent, the hunter of the righteous.
                  1. flavus
                    flavus 10 December 2018 13: 01
                    -9
                    Quote: astepanov

                    You have been bathing in someone else’s blood for two thousand years - and still you can’t calm down. He would have been silent, the hunter of the righteous.

                    Take it finely - Christians position themselves as the new Israel and our Church from Adam himself smile So your brother, a pagan, was still the prophet David sawing with wood saws and crushing with grape presses.
                    And he didn’t keep alive urinating against the wall. wink
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 10 December 2018 22: 34
                      0
                      Quote: Flavus
                      So your brother, a pagan, was still the prophet David sawing with wood saws and crushing with grape presses.

                      And how are today's churches different from the Gentiles?
                      Ready pantheon God, Buddha, Allah, Yahweh. There are many so-called "single" gods in the world and our modern pantheon is no different from the pantheons of the pagans.
                2. Looking for
                  Looking for 10 December 2018 16: 13
                  -5
                  Means nedodavil if cockroaches breed.
                  1. flavus
                    flavus 10 December 2018 17: 24
                    -4
                    That's right, comrade. You fought, fought, but only yourself crashed. Goofy crumbs, as in epics smile
                    1. Konatantin 1992
                      Konatantin 1992 11 December 2018 08: 45
                      0
                      Isn’t the black Jesus in Africa?
                      1. flavus
                        flavus 11 December 2018 09: 42
                        -2
                        Quote: Konatantin 1992
                        Isn’t the black Jesus in Africa?

                        Ask African blacks. Africa’s problems do not bother me at all.
                      2. Konatantin 1992
                        Konatantin 1992 11 December 2018 12: 56
                        +1
                        If there is no God but Jesus, then why is he black in Africa? to "lure" into Christianity?
                      3. flavus
                        flavus 11 December 2018 13: 29
                        -3
                        Quote: Konatantin 1992

                        If there is no God but Jesus, then why is he black in Africa? to "lure" into Christianity?

                        Firstly, I already answered you.
                        Secondly, if you make a statement, you must first prove it - prove that Jesus is black in Africa. Just a picture here will not be enough, you must cite excerpts from the canons of a particular African denomination, which directly speaks of this.
                        Thirdly, after you prove that Jesus is black in a particular African denomination, you must make sure that the opponent (that is, I) recognizes this denomination as true and relevant to the Ecumenical Orthodox Church.
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 10 December 2018 12: 09
                -8
                Quote: astepanov
                : in Russia musical culture - from the west, painting, literature, theater - from there.

                What is BAD?
                Russian cultureabsolutely unique, distinctive phenomenon in world culture. This is a treasure without which the world would simply be poor.
                How to hate Russia to deny it ....
                Quote: astepanov
                Now there are more churches than clubs and libraries combined.

                1. Figures, not chatter and groans, bring.
                2. open clubs and libraries - who's stopping? Power? Choose yours. You can not? So, they are incapable and weak. And nobody needs them.
                Electronic libraries, by the way, are sea today.
                Quote: astepanov
                When in return astronomy pulls God's law into school;

                Prove it "in return", stop babbling.
                Quote: astepanov
                when the fools who sang the stupid punk prayer in the temple were judged not by law, but by concepts

                Article of the Criminal Code is a concept? What's wrong with you?
                Quote: astepanov
                when the prime minister and president are both atheists and scorched cynicspublicly overshadow themselves with the sign of the cross and kiss the hands of the patriarch - the country is sick.

                What gave you the right to talk about Putin’s lack of sincerity? Do not attribute your vices to everyone.
                Putin: the baptism of Russia was a key and turning point for the whole history of Orthodoxy, an event of "a civilizational scale and transforming spiritual power."

                Sick, first of all, the one who all sees ... illness ..
                Quote: astepanov
                She rolls into the abyss Orthodox clericalism, and then we get the Orthodox version of the Islamic state, living according to the laws of Sharia, only much more ugly.

                fool lol
                There has never been such a thing in history, moreover, this is impossible in principle today.
                And those who are "chased" all the time, persecuted from the screens, forcibly dragged into the temple and poisoned, allegedly, the history of Russia (Orthodoxy) of his children need
                Quote: astepanov
                at least sometimes turn gyrus

                Though..... No.
                1. astepanov
                  astepanov 10 December 2018 14: 44
                  +10
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  What is BAD?
                  Russian culture is an absolutely unique, distinctive phenomenon in world culture. This is a treasure without which the world would simply be poor.
                  How to hate Russia to deny it ....

                  Do not distort. Horns and legs were left from the musical and stage culture of ancient Russia by the works of the priests, our national academic tradition begins only in the days of Peter the Great, when the church began to dance, and artists and musicians were sent to study in Europe. And later - Verstovsky, Bortnyansky, Glinka, Bryulov, Ivanov and a host of other glorious names - they all studied over the hill. And the church only got underfoot. And what, by the way, could the church teach a musician if Orthodox music was only vocal (and that is why all musical instruments were burned by Nikon’s order)? And what could a portrait painter or landscape painter find in the Church? But the priests forbade. Maybe we have a great native architecture? But Italians built the Kremlin, as did the first cathedrals in Novgorod and Pskov. And again, after Peter, our architecture grew from Rastrelli and his family. And you can tell tales about the great Orthodox culture as much as you like. Here are just a single worthy example you can not give - for the lack of such. Russia is strong in that it absorbed and transformed the best from all over the world, and not the small-town clergy.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 10 December 2018 15: 43
                    -6
                    Quote: astepanov
                    From musical and stage culture in ancient Rus the horns and legs were left by the works of priests,

                    Tell us about it, along with the sources of your "reliable" knowledge. yes
                    You can even sing something from the lost or dance. yes
                    Quote: astepanov
                    our national academic tradition begins only in the time of Peter the Great, when the church was led, and artists and musicians began to be sent to study in Europe. And later - Verstovsky, Bortnyansky, Glinka, Bryulov, Ivanov and a host of other glorious names - they all studied over the hill. AND the church only got confusedod legs.

                    Russian culture-Orthodox culture. What was denied
                    only your Russophobia Herzen and Belinsky
                    Quote: astepanov
                    And what, by the way, could the church teach a musicianif orthodox music is only vocal

                    And should-learn to knock on the keys? lol
                    Sacred music is a huge layer of musical heritage of the great Russian composers
                    Quote: astepanov
                    And what could a portrait painter or landscape painter find in the Church?

                    Paints, I think, in your opinion?
                    Quote: astepanov
                    Maybe with us great native architecture? But Italians built the Kremlin, as did the first cathedrals in Novgorod and Pskov.

                    Fi, what a Russophobic abomination: Fyodor Kon, Ukhtomsky, Kazakov, Bazhenov, etc., there is a great secret for you ..
                    Quote: astepanov
                    And you can tell tales about the great Orthodox culture as much as you like. Here are just a single worthy example you can not give - for the lack of such.

                    And I’m not going to: Russophobia is incurable. She is BLIND and does not see countless shrines of Orthodoxy erected by the Russian people.
                    Quote: astepanov
                    Russia is strong in that it absorbed and transformed the best from all over the world, and not the small-town clergy.

                    Russia not a transmitter. it SOURCE of world culture. Without which that would simply NOT be.
                    Chop a bundle on your nose.
                    1. astepanov
                      astepanov 10 December 2018 18: 18
                      +7
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Russian culture-Orthodox culture. What was denied
                      only your Russophobia Herzen and Belinsky

                      No. Orthodox culture is part of our national culture, and it is insignificant.
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      And should-learn to knock on the keys?
                      Sacred music is a huge layer of musical heritage of the great Russian composers

                      And how many great Russian composers have turned to sacred music? Apart from Rachmaninoff's Vespers, I know nothing. What from the Church did Tchaikovsky, Borodin, Rimsky-Korsakov, Prokofiev write? Maybe Polovtsian Dances?
                      Nobody demands that the church teach "to knock on the keys", as you please to express it. But she could not destroy secular music, not burn musical instruments and not poke her nose into other people's affairs.
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Fi, what a Russophobic abomination: Fyodor Kon, Ukhtomsky, Kazakov, Bazhenov, etc., there is a great secret for you ..
                      I quote from Wikipedia: "The buildings of Fyodor Kon were distinguished by high construction techniques, ... great architectural skill. Their stylistic features demonstrate the influence of the Italian Renaissance." From the same place, about Bazhenov: "In September 1760, Bazhenov was sent to develop his talent in Paris (becoming, along with A. Losenko, the first pensioner of the Academy of Arts sent abroad)."
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      And I’m not going to: Russophobia is incurable. She is BLIND and does not see the countless shrines of Orthodoxy erected by the Russian people.

                      Do you rally?
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 11 December 2018 10: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: astepanov
                        No. Orthodox culture is part of our national culture, and it is insignificant.

                        Yes: Orthodoxy shaped man: his worldview, world outlook and, as a result of this, his actions and deeds.
                        Quote: astepanov
                        And how many great Russian composers turned to sacred music?

                        All. The Orthodox culture in which the artist was brought up, refracting in his personality and talent, manifested itself in unprecedented masterpieces of music, literature, architecture.
                        ... Those. "Waltz of the Flowers", like "Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom" (1878), "All-Night Vigil" (1882), to make it clear, was written by an Orthodox person, Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky. Catholic Tchaikovsky would not have written them.
                        Quote: astepanov
                        Nobody demands that the church teach "to knock on the keys", as you please to express it. But she could not destroy secular music, not burn musical instruments and not poke her nose into other people's affairs.

                        Sing, please, once again, the pre-Orthodox "masterpieces" "destroyed" by the Church. And dance the stage performance she destroyed. lol
                        Quote: astepanov
                        I quote from Wikipedia: "The buildings of Fyodor Kon were distinguished by high construction techniques, ... great architectural skill. Their stylistic features demonstrate the influence of the Italian Renaissance." From the same place, about Bazhenov: "In September 1760, Bazhenov was sent to develop his talent in Paris (becoming, along with A. Losenko, the first pensioner of the Academy of Arts sent abroad)."

                        Yes, yes, if "Russian baroque". means that it is already ... non-Russian. lol
                        Quote: astepanov
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        And I’m not going to: Russophobia is incurable. She is BLIND and does not see the countless shrines of Orthodoxy erected by the Russian people.

                        Do you rally?

                        I urge you to drive at least along the Golden Ring. where despite the fact that your idols made stone quarries from the temples, some of the legacy of Russian Orthodoxy has been preserved
                      2. Vodrak
                        Vodrak 9 February 2019 12: 20
                        0
                        Forgive me for interfering in your discussion, gentlemen, but I recently watched a film, "Boris Godunov" is called, and so there the period is very well shown, and Nikon, and his reforms. I cannot vouch for the reliability, but it does suggest some thoughts.
                    2. Ehanatone
                      Ehanatone 23 December 2018 17: 02
                      +1
                      But because of such ohlogoviches and phlovers, I don’t even want to think about Orthodoxy ...
                      As well as about other kotoligami-muslims-prostotants and other mudu-voodoo ...
                      1. SASHA OLD
                        SASHA OLD 2 January 2019 13: 23
                        0
                        Quote: Ehanatone

                        But because of such ohlogoviches and phlovers, I don’t even want to think about Orthodoxy ...
                        As well as about other kotoligami-muslims-prostotants and other mudu-voodoo ...

                        thank god - I'm an atheist!
              3. Victor Red
                Victor Red 10 December 2018 20: 14
                +1
                Quote: astepanov

                At the time of Nikon, people were not burned; they were simply deprived of their property and driven into the cold, condemning them to death.

                Of course, Nikon's reforms led to a split in the Russian Orthodox Church, civil strife and casualties. This is certainly a sad page of our history. But when compared to a split in the Catholic world, the scope and consequences are not comparable.
                According to other theses, of course, you are somewhat exaggerating, but on the whole I agree. The basic law of our country says that the church is separated from the state. I advise everyone to keep this in mind.
              4. Setrac
                Setrac 10 December 2018 22: 29
                +6
                Quote: astepanov
                And the law on protecting the feelings of believers is not bad

                This is a discriminatory law, but what about the feelings of atheists? You believers do not keep the commandments of your God, atheists keep the commandments of your God, because for atheists there is no forgiveness for what you have done, and you believers are well settled - sinned - repent, killed - repent, raped - repent, fie.
              5. Mikhail Matyugin
                Mikhail Matyugin 12 December 2018 22: 42
                +1
                Quote: astepanov
                The Ministry of Education approved the textbook "Orthodox Biology" by Veryanov, in which nonsense about six days is being dragged through.

                Alexei, let’s not saliva, but simply admit a small fact such that the Darwinian atheistic world view was out of date about a century ago, the theory of self-development of biological life, despite the fierce 150 summer searches, turned out to be nothing more than an unproven hypothesis, and that’s all. And yes, not Ver'yanov, in Vertyanov — this proves that you have not read his works and are not familiar with them.
          3. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 10 December 2018 12: 09
            +5
            Quote: Destiny
            not the Orthodox Church, we did not participate in this coven.

            They took it.
            they don’t go to church for church singing and spiritual fathers for confession, and they don’t take part in holy mysteries, and they don’t let their priests into their homes with shrines and church needs, and among Christians obscene in their own words they seduce and rebellion, and it’s stubborn to steal from their thefts: to torture those thieves, from whom they have been taught this, and for how long, and who they will talk to and talk about those slanderous people and question and give them confrontations among themselves, and torture them from confrontations; and who learn from torture to stand stubbornly, but won’t bring the subjugation of the holy church, and if you don’t submit to such a heresy, three times at the execution, they will submit, burn in a log house and scatter ashes.
            1. Nehist
              Nehist 11 December 2018 01: 56
              +3
              Well, there is such a saint in Orthodoxy as Joseph Volotsky !!! - A direct analogue of Dominic Guzman!
              Thus, it is absolutely clear and understandable to truly all people that both saints, and priests, and monks, and ordinary people - it is appropriate for all Christians to condemn and curse heretics and apostates, and it is proper for kings, princes and secular judges to send them to prison and betray them to the fierce executions. (c)
          4. karabas86
            karabas86 11 December 2018 21: 24
            0
            What about the Old Believers?
        2. Mikhail Matyugin
          Mikhail Matyugin 12 December 2018 22: 39
          +1
          Quote: Finches
          The Church, in the name of a merciful, forgiving God in the ecstasy of its love of mankind, has destroyed so many souls during its existence that Hitler, Pol Pot, Caligula and the other bloody tyrants in the history of mankind taken together modestly smoke aside languishing with envy ...

          Eugene, you have a bad math or you intentionally provoke srach in the subject.
    2. Brutan
      Brutan 10 December 2018 08: 02
      +10
      Enough beautiful women in Europe. No less than ours. Especially in Hungary and Poland.
      And we have a lot of crocodiles - and they are greyhound and prosper.
      But it is necessary to fight the demiad. Maybe that's why the Conchites got out - that there is no inquisition on them?))
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 10 December 2018 08: 33
        +1
        On Conchita, no one will rise, which means it does not emit spells.
        1. Brutan
          Brutan 10 December 2018 08: 50
          +11
          Most societies are normal people, not conchites.
          Perhaps we have more mutants - we just don’t know about some. Yes, and of the famous people, one can recall for example the bisexual Kirkorov, a little better is the finish.
          Euro feminine? So we have them now a car - different zacharovyh, matvienok, panfilovyh, etc. etc. Normal girl only Poklonskaya - and that hohlushka)). Along with the Polish and Hungarian - Khokhlushka is the best girls. Verified wink
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          2. RitaNik
            RitaNik 12 December 2018 03: 29
            +1
            Quote: Brutan
            Most societies are normal people, not conchites.
            Perhaps we have more mutants - we just don’t know about some. Yes, and of the famous people, one can recall for example the bisexual Kirkorov, a little better is the finish.
            Euro feminine? So we have them now a car - different zacharovyh, matvienok, panfilovyh, etc. etc. Normal girl only Poklonskaya - and that hohlushka)). Along with the Polish and Hungarian - Khokhlushka is the best girls. Verified wink

            Let me correct: Matvienko is also a "hohlushka". And so - a matter of taste, of course. Someone likes our Zakharova, and some Ukrainian Ulyana Suprun ...
      2. akunin
        akunin 10 December 2018 09: 10
        +3
        Quote: Brutan
        And we have a lot of crocodiles - and they are greyhound and prosper.

        burn them and count, count ... laughing
  2. Basil50
    Basil50 10 December 2018 05: 54
    +5
    With the introduction of Christianity in Russia, there were rivers of blood and open betrayal of the Russians as a people. But there is no repentance from Christians. They still have the audacity to appropriate the construction of RUSI - THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE. It comes to outright lies, and neither Christians nor their shepherds shepherds feel any remorse or even shame.
    By the way, in the RUSSIAN EMPIRE, the Inquisition was canceled in my opinion only in the 1826 year.
    What today is called a schism was the destruction of religious competitors and those suspected of * disagreeing * with the establishment of serfdom. Today they are lying to us about * self-immolation *. In fact, military teams along with the monks killed both the old and the small, and then concealed the crimes by burning both villages and corpses.
    Very indicative processes in Ukraine with the church. It is difficult to imagine a more frank self-disclosure. And while Christians about morality and other ethical matters, they also appoint themselves to be judges.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 10 December 2018 08: 36
      +3
      I understand that there is no brain and knowledge of history, but you can find out where you saw some Russian people in 988, when there were still 700-800 years before political nations, and what alternative was Christianity at that time? the only structure that has at least some knowledge? You really think that paganism is something better.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 10 December 2018 09: 15
      +2
      Quote: Vasily50
      With the introduction of Christianity in Russia there were both rivers of blood and outright betrayal RUSSIAN as a people

      Russians, as a people - in 988 g? "The Russians formed into a nation in the 14-15th century" Sov. Encyclopedia. Dictionary, M, 1981)
      This is the "count"
      Quote: Vasily50
      They still have the audacity to appropriate and build RUSI - THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE

      Where the Orthodox metropolis, the state was built there: first in Kiev, then it moved to Vladimir and Moscow, and again it was built around it ..
      Again, "count".
      Quote: Vasily50
      By the way, in the RUSSIAN EMPIRE, the Inquisition was canceled in my opinion only in the 1826 year.

      Yes Yes:
      The Institute of Inquisitors was established by Peter the Great soon after the establishment of the Holy Synod, just as the establishment of the fiscals was connected with the establishment of the Senate. Their position consisted mainly of observing that each rank performed his duties, of reporting crime.
      The inquisitors' reports mainly related to cases ofviolations of the law, indecent acts on the part of the ecclesiastical authorities and clerks who served in ecclesiastical institutions, non-observance of official interest in collecting fees and duties, and improper disposal of church property. But created for the beneficial purposes of supervision and observation, the institution of inquisitors did not live up to the expectations placed on it.
      By a decision of the Synod in 1727, the Institute of Inquisitors was canceled.
      Literature. S. M. Soloviev, “History of Russia,” book IV, Art. 815;

      Count again

      It is the ORTHODOX people built Russia, it is impossible to break these two inextricable concepts-Orthodoxy and Russia.

      ALL the famous and greatest cultural monuments of the Russian people, the expression of his soul, are precisely Orthodox shrines.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 10 December 2018 22: 44
        0
        Quote: Olgovich
        It is the ORTHODOX people built Russia, it is impossible to break these two inextricable concepts-Orthodoxy and Russia.

        There is no evidence that Orthodoxy came to Russia, and did not originate here. It is not for nothing that our church is called "orthodox" in the West.
        1. Hantengri
          Hantengri 10 December 2018 23: 25
          +1
          Quote: Setrac
          There is no evidence that Orthodoxy came to Russia, and did not originate here. It is not for nothing that our church is called "orthodox" in the West.

          Orthodoxy - tracing paper with Greek. оρθοδοξία - literally: “proper glorification (glorification)”
          And so - yes! No evidence whatsoever! wassat
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 10 December 2018 23: 32
            -4
            Quote: HanTengri
            And so - yes! No evidence whatsoever!

            But before Peter's reforms, Russians were not “Orthodox”, but “true believers,” though this is also unprovable, Peter Antichrist cleaned up the history of Russia very well.
            1. Hantengri
              Hantengri 11 December 2018 00: 00
              +3
              Quote: Setrac
              But before Peter's reforms, Russians were not "Orthodox", but "true believers"

              And five times a day they shouted about Alla and the bar? lol
              Quote: Setrac
              the truth is also unprovable,

              What is true is true! For it is easily provable, just the opposite!
              Quote: Setrac
              Peter Antichrist very well erased the history of Russia.

              Which is also unprovable! (And about what he cleaned up. And about the fact that the Antichrist.) Ie: "There is no body - there is no" Deed "!" By the way, that's a good principle, isn't it? And then, after all, if everyone who has wet fantasies starts to throw themselves at others without proof, like cockroaches from their heads, then instead of science (any) we will have an entomological reserve, completely useless in terms of establishing the truth.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 11 December 2018 20: 48
                -2
                Quote: HanTengri
                "No body - no" Deed "!" By the way, that's a good principle, isn't it?

                And this principle is correct - that is how it should be related to history - as to the yellow press.
    3. Detective
      Detective 10 December 2018 09: 29
      +6
      Quote: Vasily50
      With the introduction of Christianity in Russia, there were rivers of blood and open betrayal of the Russians as a people. But there is no repentance from Christians. They still have the audacity to appropriate the construction of RUSI - THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE.

      How! What an interesting person you are, Vasily ... A whole set of neo-pagan sectarian slogans is straightforward! Do you hesitate to want to help? "Orthodoxy is the Jewish faith, Prince Vladimir, the Jews of Malka, with the help of Christianity, the Aryans were divided, Christianization is the cause of all troubles, thanks to the rivers of blood of Russians they were forcibly baptized, paganism is a highly moral religion, human sacrifice of pagans is a lie of Christians ..." Can I quote Brzezinski too? I can other Western haters of Russia who consider Orthodoxy their worst enemy. Want to? Your comment is a direct expression of their hatred. But perhaps most of all you should like the words of Vladimir Pechorin, a Russian Catholic of the 19th century who renounced both Orthodoxy and Rossti - "How sweet it is to hate the motherland and eagerly await its destruction, and to see the world day of rebirth in the destruction of the fatherland." Your commentary is the work of the American Institute for National Democracy. They are fighting with you against Russian Orthodoxy. They have such a main pearl there - the theme "The Orthodox Inquisition in Russia." Basil, you really do not fire that frankly! Or is it okay? bully
      1. Detective
        Detective 10 December 2018 10: 28
        +6
        Against whom it is clear. But for what exactly is this American institute campaigning together with Vasily? I will try to tell you as briefly as possible. Naturally, the Orthodox Church is accused of all mortal sins, and thus the completely wild orgy of the Inquisition in the West is overshadowed. Were there any facts of burning in Russia? There were. But they were extremely rare and always had an interpersonal character and were not attributed to the will of God. At the same time, as in Germany, the situation reached the point that in many districts it was impossible to find women - there were no more. The Institute for National Democracy is silent about this as well as about Protestant fundamentalism. Few people talk about this, but the basis of US policy is the idea of ​​the predetermination of the American people. Those. the religious rationale for this policy is nothing more than "God's chosenness of the Anglo-Saxons." So - the descendants of the tribes of Israel scattered over the earth ... At the same time, Western civilization sees its mission on a planetary scale. They are trying to send as many Protestant missionaries as possible to Russia ... It is no secret that the US Congress subsidizes Jehovah's Witnesses, Adventists, etc. All this is done with the aim of poisoning the atmosphere in the country, pulling the people apart into sects, and undermining power. Our oppositionists of all stripes and shades flock to the site of this American institute like flies for this very thing. So, who is their enemy in the first place? ROC! The ROC needs to be turned into a horror story, so all these libels are pouring in a dirty, fetid stream. The purpose of the work of the West and such institutions is the collapse of Russia, the separation of its people, the pushing of people. One thing can be opposed to this - faith! Loyalty to our traditions! Love for your homeland! Works of our Orthodox Fathers!
        1. astepanov
          astepanov 10 December 2018 15: 28
          +3
          Quote: Detective
          Were there facts of burning in Russia? There were. But they were extremely rare

          Maybe remind you of the history of the Schism during the time of Patriarch Nikon? Only during the storming of the Paleostrovsky Monastery, from 2000 to 3000 Old Believers burned down - and how many died from the fact that in the winter they were expelled from the dwellings that went to the Church ... Therefore, they self-burned, because they found such a death better than from cold and hunger. You'd better be careful with that, "they were rare." In the practice of Russian hate, stake, wheel, gallows, chopping block and rack were more common than a fire. You know, firewood was in the price.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 10 December 2018 23: 15
            -1
            Quote: astepanov
            Firewood, you know, was in price.

            In Europe, firewood was an order of magnitude more expensive.
            Quote: astepanov
            Maybe remind you of the history of the split during the time of Patriarch Nikon?

            For some reason, I'm sure that the Detective was not an eyewitness to these events, like you. The key word here is "history", and for the Russians it was written by the Germans under the German queen, who, by a misunderstanding, was called "great"
    4. Basil50
      Basil50 10 December 2018 12: 58
      +1
      Frank nonsense about * St. Vladimir * was composed no earlier than in the 15th century. Anyone who knows the story will confirm this. But today, Christ scholars and interpreters of God are already officially singled out in the scientific discipline.
      For me it’s like * Little humpbacked horse * A more true story than retelling of the life of Christ recorded centuries after His death
      1. Detective
        Detective 10 December 2018 14: 28
        +8
        Basil, yes you can relate, whatever you like it is in the end your life. I’m just curious about an article about the Western Inquisition, and here you are trying to cry out the Russian Orthodox Church ... Do you really think that Russian people are so stupid and don’t see what's what? Are you comfortable in Russia among the Russians to spread such enemy horror stories? So I gave you an example with this American institute. Look at your words! Or is it friends and light of knowledge that they bring to the natives?
    5. Setrac
      Setrac 10 December 2018 22: 39
      -1
      Quote: Vasily50
      With the introduction of Christianity in Russia, there were rivers of blood and open betrayal of the Russians as a people.

      We don’t know this, so the godless communists told us in the lessons of history. Maybe the enemies wanted to defame our shrines?
    6. Mikhail Matyugin
      Mikhail Matyugin 12 December 2018 22: 46
      +2
      Quote: Vasily50
      With the introduction of Christianity in Russia, there were rivers of blood and open betrayal of the Russians as a people. But there is no repentance from Christians. They still have the audacity to appropriate the construction of RUSI - THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE.

      Basil, are you serious? What kind of rivers of blood are we talking about? where, in at least one source of history, is this recorded? and the repentance of Christians before whom, and for what, for the fact that the people accepted the new faith?!?

      Quote: Vasily50
      By the way, in the RUSSIAN EMPIRE, the Inquisition was canceled in my opinion only in the 1826 year.
      He laughed, I have repeatedly explained that if you do not know some facts, then it is easier to shut up.

      Quote: Vasily50
      In fact, military teams along with the monks killed both the old and the small, and then concealed the crimes by burning both villages and corpses.

      Sorry, but it seems to me that you should not put your personal clearly mental phobia plan into public discussion.
  3. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 10 December 2018 05: 57
    +4
    Interesting article, thanks!
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 10 December 2018 06: 34
      +12
      -Oh! To burn!
      -Padre, but she is so beautiful ...
      -Okay ... But then burn it anyway!
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 10 December 2018 06: 38
        +1
        Inquisitors preferred boys laughing
        1. ruigat
          ruigat 10 December 2018 07: 30
          0
          What about the rabbis?
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 10 December 2018 07: 31
            0
            There are different ones. As an everywhere.
  4. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 December 2018 06: 54
    +4
    Good review article. However, if you start to go into details, many details of the phenomenon change polarity.
  5. ruigat
    ruigat 10 December 2018 07: 28
    +6
    The main reason for the witch hunt is celibacy of priests in Western Europe (and the male nature has not been canceled and they wanted beautiful women), the institute in Russia saved the Orthodox priests with such a shame, and at the same time left us our beautiful women.
  6. bober1982
    bober1982 10 December 2018 07: 34
    +4
    As for the current democratic transformations in the Catholic Church, which are encouraging (according to the author of the article), this is of course strongly said, in the sense that it becomes fun from such words.
    The Western Church, as a Christian, ceased to exist precisely because of these transformations.
  7. Korsar4
    Korsar4 10 December 2018 07: 46
    +3
    Interesting. But the same Cathars are also good.

    This over time can Raymond VII sympathize with:

    "And he knows that his banner will fall.
    And the crusaders of Montfort will trample him. "

    And when the blood was shed in more than one generation, it was no longer possible to find neither the right nor the guilty. Yes and not worth it.
  8. Brutan
    Brutan 10 December 2018 07: 59
    +5
    It should be noted that, like any side of the coin, these sides are 2.
    Negative? Of course it was.
    But was not the activity of the Inquisition positive? Of course it was. For example, the fight against heresies, the cleansing of sectarians and sorcerers.
    The current Jehovah's and Scientologists who turn people into zombies and mutants, taking away their property - oh, how much the Inquisition is missing!
    it is a pity that in our Orthodox church there were no such units. Indeed, it is often possible to burn filth out with only hot iron!
  9. EvilLion
    EvilLion 10 December 2018 08: 33
    +2
    And what else to expect from a gathering of psychopaths, denying including normal sexual desire.
  10. Cartalon
    Cartalon 10 December 2018 08: 37
    +4
    The massive witch-hunt for the Protestant phenomenon, Catholics were not particularly keen on them, and in general the number of victims of the Inquisition was exaggerated mainly through the efforts of the same Protestants.
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 10 December 2018 08: 54
      +1
      In fact, the Cathars are the forerunner of the Protestants.
      1. Cartalon
        Cartalon 10 December 2018 08: 56
        +1
        Actually it’s not like the word at all
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 10 December 2018 09: 04
          0
          The split manifests itself in different ways.
          1. Cartalon
            Cartalon 10 December 2018 09: 08
            0
            Psychology is a completely different Protestant did not bring themselves to exhaustion.
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 10 December 2018 15: 15
              +1
              And asceticism can manifest itself in different ways. Calvin is quite ascetic.

              Another thing is that, as far as I understand, the origins of the movement of the Cathars are both in bohemianism and in Manichaeism.
    2. VLR
      10 December 2018 09: 04
      +5
      This article is about the persecution of "witches" by the Inquisition in Catholic countries, in the plan - a little more work on "witch trials" in Protestant countries.
      1. Cartalon
        Cartalon 10 December 2018 09: 11
        +2
        Well, one could note that the Spanish Inquisition was very skeptical of the witch’s hammer and most of those who appeared before the court were acquitted, and not write fairy tales about the general burning of women
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 10 December 2018 09: 31
        +3
        Quote: VlR
        This article is about the persecution of "witches"

        Tell me, do you know what the Inquisitors were guided in their activities? Here are some quotes from the Bible, revered by many to this day:

        “Thou shalt not leave spells alive” (Exodus 22:18).
        “He who sacrifices to the gods, except one gentleman, may he be destroyed” (Exodus 22:20).
        "Everyone who does work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death" (Exodus 31: 15).

        Christians, with the help of the Inquisition, destroyed the local elite and took their places, turning the natives into slaves. While we pray to alien gods, we will remain slaves.

        Quote: VlR
        in the plan - a little more work on "witchcraft processes"

        What about an article on the activities of Christianity during their seizure of power in Russia? Will Princess Sophia's "Twelve Articles" be mentioned in it? And what about the schismatic Nikon and the civil war, starting with the "Solovetsky sitting" and ending with the execution of the archers? And how did the authorities in Russia burn people en masse in log cabins who did not want to give up the faith of their ancestors?
      3. Karenas
        Karenas 11 December 2018 19: 35
        +1
        Quote: VlR
        This article is about the persecution of "witches" by the Inquisition in Catholic countries, in the plan - a little more work on "witch trials" in Protestant countries.

        Author!
        I think the plans should supplement the theme of where the Pavlikians came from to Byzantium (Bogomilians in Bulgaria)
        According to what I know - they were moved there from Armenia ... There was such a Jewish movement in Armenia - the Tondraki (named after the name of their center in the town of Tondrak). They propagandized a geyparadny life ... Well, when they began to propagate the rejection of the church, the system specialists could not stand it ... The organization of a powerful army was paid, headed by Sparapet (Supreme Commander) Pakhlavuni ... 500000 were killed on both sides ... an agreement has been reached that a million Jews are moving to Byzantium ...
      4. SASHA OLD
        SASHA OLD 2 January 2019 13: 30
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        still, some commentators were too stubborn, it is necessary to dilute the atmosphere ...)
  11. flavus
    flavus 10 December 2018 08: 57
    -1
    end of the XNUMXth century "Spain expelled sensuality with the Moors and intelligence with the Jews." Science, culture, industrial production fell into decay, and Spain for centuries turned into one of the most backward countries in Western Europe

    Why repeat this nonsense? Does the author know no story? After the purges of foreigners and Gentiles at the end of the 15th century, Spain became a superpower until the Battle of Rocroix in the middle of the 17th century. The decline of science and industry was in Spain, of course, but it was not connected with the absence of Jews. The reason for the decline is an overabundance of gratuitous American gold and the wrong policy of the Spanish monarchs.

    And the whole article is a set of Soviet and other leftist stamps. The scale of the Inquisition is greatly exaggerated, and over the centuries of existence, about 20 thousand people died at her hands, I am afraid to lie. And brought benefits - Mom Do not Cry.
    1. Cartalon
      Cartalon 10 December 2018 09: 02
      +3
      Well, the expulsion of the Morisks was just the end of the 16th and beginning of the 17th century, at the same time a decline began.
      1. flavus
        flavus 10 December 2018 09: 09
        +3
        Quote: Cartalon

        Well, the expulsion of the Morisks was just the end of the 16th and beginning of the 17th century, at the same time a decline began.

        The Spaniards cleaned their ranks willingly and constantly, and the connection with the decline here is the same as the connection from the daily brushing of the teeth by an average citizen with his sudden death from obesity.
        The reasons for the withering of the Spanish Empire have long been known to all and there are no ties with the absence of Jews and Muslims.
        The Russian kingdom, as it was also safely raised without the sons of Israel.
        As the proverb says - do not scratch where it does not itch smile
        1. Cartalon
          Cartalon 10 December 2018 09: 20
          +2
          Not a small percentage of taxpayers were expelled from a country in a state of permanent bankruptcy. If this is your wise policy, then I'm sorry
          1. flavus
            flavus 10 December 2018 09: 36
            +3
            Quote: Cartalon
            Not a small percentage of taxpayers were expelled from a country in a state of permanent bankruptcy. If this is your wise policy, then I'm sorry

            This is the standard European practice of the time. And somehow, under these conditions, it was Europe that rose and became the most advanced region of the world in all respects. Not Turkey or Iran, where there were a dime a dozen of these "taxpayers". It's not about them, but quite the opposite.
            As soon as the barriers holding back the "taxpayers" disappeared, and they climbed into the government, the press, and finance, everything began to be covered with a copper basin.
            As Elizaveta Petrovna used to say - “I don’t want an interesting profit from the enemies of Christ”
            1. Karenas
              Karenas 11 December 2018 19: 47
              +2
              I’ll supplement you with my opinion that the Jews organized the discovery of America precisely in order to take their eyes off the nascent aggressiveness of the Spanish military from Turkey ... The Turks did not remain in debt ...
  12. Molot1979
    Molot1979 10 December 2018 09: 27
    +2
    The first thing that needs to be said about the Cathars and the Waldenses is not that they were against money-grubbing and rituals, but that their ultimate goal was to break out of the wheel of Samsara - from a chain of rebirths. And generally interrupt it for all living on Earth. Through which they widely practiced pederasty and various orgies, so that the soul was fed up and tired. And the second - it is far from obvious who the first one started there. There are cases when papal legates and inquisitors were stupidly killed even before they had time to start work. So these Cathars were still entertainers. One word is heretics. And they were crushed not so much by the inquisitors as the crusaders. Which, however, came to put more pressure on South French separatism and acquire free land, than to defend the interests of the Vatican. And about Bezier, it was not quite like that. Amory did not say this, but wrote. In the sense that many innocent people died, but we hope that God will reward them in heaven upon recognizing their own. In general, the beginning of the article is built on defaults and outright lies.
    Equally delusional is the accusation of persecution of women, who, you see, "are almost gone." If anything, Catholics, who are faithful, are generally obliged (precisely obliged) not to believe in any witchcraft. Therefore, the inquisitors became the first in Europe who began to practice the process of investigation, close to the modern one. Proven death sentences are negligible. Protestants like Zwingli and Calvin made the main contribution to the burning of "witches". The latter, seated in Geneva, not only enthusiastically burned dissenters, but also canceled such things as holidays and laughter altogether. Neher laugh, you have to pray. Who does not agree - the fire has not yet completely burned out. Offhand - who will remember anything similar to the Salem process in the history of Catholicism? But because the Inquisition never arranged such massive witch hunts. The bulk of the "victims of the Inquisition" are all sorts of rebels such as the Flemings. But they, if you look not biased, are more victims of the army and the arbitrariness of the secular authorities. In addition, the rebels were executed and are executed everywhere. The first case was the rebels against the Spanish crown, and then the heretics.
    The situation is similar with Torquemada. It seems to us now, so what, that there some baptized Jews secretly professed Judaism. For the Spaniards of the 15-16th century, it looked completely different. Jews are allies of Muslims. The Reconquista has just ended, and the descendants of the Moors, just like the Jews, secretly profess the religion of their ancestors. And actually, they are organizing powerful uprisings. There is a heavy war with the Moors on the other side of Gibraltar, and then the Turks are starting to create a problem. In such an environment, Jews who have not proved their loyalty, as well as Moriski, are a direct threat to the state itself. What is simpler - Turks and Moors - outside, but Jews and Moriski inside can well undermine the power of Spain. Therefore, they fought with these potential enemies by all available means. Because there was a need. What is commendable, in those days, rulers have not yet completely turned into freaks on the suction of capital. No matter how many Jews offered bribes to Ferdinand and Isabella, they were sent to look for their sawn-off shotguns. And the country's economic difficulties did not arise due to the expulsion of Jewish moneylenders, due to the price revolution that was the result of the discovery of America and the export of a huge number of precious metals.
    1. flavus
      flavus 10 December 2018 09: 53
      -5
      Quote: Molot1979
      Proven death sentences are negligible.

      Quote: Molot1979
      Because there was a need. What is commendable, in those days, rulers have not yet completely turned into freaks on the suction of capital.

      Quote: Molot1979
      In general, the beginning of the article is built on defaults and outright lies.
      Equally delusional is the accusation of persecution of women, who, you see, "are almost gone."

      So I also think so. And the article is excerpts from sovdepovskih history textbooks and the newspaper speed info.
  13. Conductor
    Conductor 10 December 2018 09: 49
    -3
    The Russian Orthodox Church took part, but not very much, there was nothing like the order of the Dominicans or the Inquisition, and the scope was different.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 10 December 2018 10: 03
      +1
      Quote: Conductor
      The Russian Orthodox Church took part, but not very much

      During the 12 years of forced Christianization, 9 of millions of Slavs who refused to renounce the Faith of the Ancestors was destroyed, and this despite the fact that the entire population, before the baptism of Russia, was 12 of millions of people.

      After 1000 A.D. the destruction of the Slavic Old Believers did not stop. This is confirmed by the ancient texts of the Russian Annals, which the ROC has preserved.

      “6579 (1071) ... Two Magi revolted near Yaroslavl ... And they came to Belozero, and there were 300 people with them. At that time, it happened that Svyatoslav came to collect a tribute to Yan, the son of Vyshatin ... Yan commanded to beat them and pull out their beards.

      When they were beaten and torn with a split beard, Yan asked them: “What do the Gods say to you?” ... They answered: “So the Gods say to us: we should not be alive from you” And Yan told them: “That they are true to you told "... And seizing them, they killed and hung on an oak tree" (Lavrentievsky Chronicle. PSRL, v. 1, v. 1, L., 1962).

      “6735 (1227) Magi, Veduni, hermits, and many magicians, and portions, and signs appeared in Novogorod ... New Novgorod residents caught them and brought the Magi to the court of the men of Prince Yaroslav, and bound the Magi all, and threw them into the fire, and here they all burned down ”(Nikonovskaya Chronicle vol. 10, St. Petersburg. 1862).

      Everything is as it is written: “So kill all the children of a man’s sex, and kill all the women who know a husband on a man’s bed; and leave all female children who have not known the masculine bed alive ”(Numbers 31: 17-18).
      1. flavus
        flavus 10 December 2018 10: 20
        +6
        Quote: Boris55
        During 12 years of forced Christianization, 9 of millions of Slavs who refused to renounce the Faith of the Ancestors was destroyed

        There is reliable information that Dobrynya Nikitich and Alyosha Popovich collected them all and poisoned Cyclone-B ... And not 9 millions, but all 10.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 10 December 2018 10: 31
          0
          Quote: Flavus
          There is reliable information that Dobrynya Nikitich and Alyosha Popovich collected them all and poisoned Cyclone-B ... And not 9 millions, but all 10.

          In vain do you fool around. The destruction of the Slavs continued during the Second World War:

          ".. The Nazi SS Army is actually an abbreviated name for the" Knights of the Holy See. "This Catholic military order was first formed in 1933 on the basis of the Jesuit order. , 1,12,15,21 and 33 with clause (c) "secret attachment" from the concordat between Germany and the Vatican. The SS was perhaps one of the most sinister organizations that ever existed on Earth ... "

          For 4 years they destroyed 20 million civilians - women, children, the elderly ... Demographic losses from this crime, we still feel.
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 10 December 2018 11: 58
            +6
            Boris, the SS has always been translated as the abbreviation of SchutzStaffel “guard units”, ancient German paganism and occultism were encouraged there - what kind of sect are you up to, what are you laying out here, as well as about 9mln destroyed Slavic pagans out of only 12 mln Slavs ?! wassat
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 10 December 2018 12: 31
              0
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              SS has always been translated as the abbreviation of SchutzStaffel "guard units",

              Always - who and since when? Type in a search engine: "Concordat with Nazi Germany"

              Quote: Stirbjorn
              ... as well as about 9mln slaughtered pagans of all 12 millions of Slavs ?!

              About 90% of the killed Indians of America - do you believe? And about 90% of the killed Aboriginal Australia - do you believe? Why do you think that they had a special relationship with us?

              Tell me, do you believe that during the 4 years of the war 27 millions of our citizens perished (6,75 millions per year)? If so, why can't you believe that in 12 years, 9 millions (0,75 millions per year) were destroyed?
              Why 6,75 - it can, but 0,75 - it can not?

              Christianity on Russian soil has committed a terrible crime, which is trying to hide behind the myth of the Tatar-Mongol invasion.

              They have exactly the same genocide in North Africa (Libya) and the Middle East (Syria), in Ukraine.
              1. flavus
                flavus 10 December 2018 13: 03
                +1
                Quote: Boris55
                About 90% of the killed Indians of America - do you believe? And about 90% of the killed Aboriginal Australia - do you believe?

                No one believes in this nonsense. They died from smallpox, chickenpox and alcoholism. The church defended the Indians and legally recognized them as normal people.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 10 December 2018 13: 21
                  +2
                  Quote: Flavus
                  The church defended the Indians and legally recognized them as normal people.

                  For your information, US Indians still live on reservations. The church defended only those who accepted their faith. The rest was destroyed in the most sophisticated ways. Question to you: those who came from a new color and organized the genocide of the local population were Christians or what?



                  And yet, in the matter of the Inquisition, I am more interested in my country. Like a cross carrying us "enlightenment" carried:

              2. Stirbjorn
                Stirbjorn 10 December 2018 14: 58
                +1
                Quote: Boris55
                Always - who and since when? Type in a search engine: "Concordat with Nazi Germany"

                And what is there? Himmler was Reichsfuhrer SS since January 6, 1929, the concordat was signed on July 20, 1933. - I used the usual translator:
                "Knights of the Holy See" = "Ritter Des Heiligen Throns" - and where is SS ?!
      2. Mikhail Matyugin
        Mikhail Matyugin 12 December 2018 22: 53
        +2
        Quote: Boris55
        During 12 years of forced Christianization, 9 of millions of Slavs who refused to renounce the Faith of the Ancestors was destroyed


        Quote: Boris55
        “6579 (1071) ... Two Magi revolted near Yaroslavl ... And they came to Belozero, and there were 300 people with them.

        Boris, if you are a smart person and know how to compare, then simply compare the numbers (the first is mythical, the second is specific in the source of Istorch) in these two passages and you will understand that there were no major victims, not to mention millions, at the Baptism of Kievan Rus .

        Moreover, there is no evidence of this from the point of view of archeology - although they were searched with great efforts during the entire period of the USSR, in order to prove the alleged "terrible cruelty of Christians." Found ZERO evidence.
  14. BAI
    BAI 10 December 2018 10: 19
    +3
    And we now have an article "For insulting the feelings of believers" (the official name is Article 148 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation "Violation of the right to freedom of conscience and religion":
    Public actions expressing a clear disrespect for society and committed in order to insult the religious feelings of believers -
    punished ..............).
    Although rare, it is applied. Does the state take over the functions of the Inquisition?
  15. Lord_Raven
    Lord_Raven 10 December 2018 10: 23
    0
    Dear author, it would be nice if you would indicate the sources on the basis of which this publication was created. Of course, I understand that the first rule of science is plagiarism, but not the same degree ...
    PS Judging by the content of the publication, the primary sources are a couple of books on the history of the Inquisition from the "atheist library" and some propaganda materials.
    The first victims of the church tribunals were the Cathars (also known as the Albigensians from the city of Albi), the inhabitants of Aquitaine, Languedoc and Provence who had fallen into heresy.

    If anything, the Albigensian heresies are the collective name for all heretical movements in Southern Europe, including the Cathars, Waldenses, etc.
    The worthy successors of St. Dominic immediately interrupted the meal and burned the unfortunate in the count's meadow.

    Bullshit. To begin with, the investigation into a charge of witchcraft was highly regulated and took a significant amount of time. And, besides, the author of the campaign does not know or does not guess that the Inquisition did not pass and did not carry out death sentences. To carry out the execution, they handed over the "heretic" to the secular authorities, if anything.
    As for the legal basis of the Inquisition, it became the legislation of the Roman Empire: Roman law contained about 60 provisions against heresy.

    The concept of "heresy" in Roman law is a real heresy. Where is it reflected? link to the source in the studio.
  16. irazum
    irazum 10 December 2018 10: 30
    +1
    Yes, and ours is not better. Recall the Protopope Habakkuk: he was burned in a log house.
    1. Senior seaman
      Senior seaman 10 December 2018 14: 55
      +2
      But Fedor Alekseevich didn’t have to tell if he had visited the other world in a dream and saw how his father Silent (who saved him, more than once or twice) was fried in fiery hell.
      In general, by the standards of the 17th century, Habakkuk was busy with his father for a very long time, hoping that he would come to his senses ... did not grow together.
  17. Larum
    Larum 10 December 2018 10: 43
    0
    I heard and vice versa - they say that the evil liberals denigrated the Inquisition, and attributed to it all their sins.
    For example, in Protestant Germany. (where is Catholic. The Inquisition couldn’t turn around)

    Here, until recently (and maybe even now) heretics should be burned at the stake (mostly Old Believers, because local specificity). And what doesn’t burn - times have changed ..
  18. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 10 December 2018 10: 52
    +4
    The article is interesting! good Murat learned about Agrippa and the dragoons for the first time. It’s a pity, in the same Salem there weren’t any Dragoons of Tarlton, or Jeb Stewart, to put in place the presumptuous priests Protestants
  19. Decimam
    Decimam 10 December 2018 11: 15
    +13
    "However, time is advancing and encouraging trends are noted in the Vatican's activities. "
    In terms of encouraging trends.
    In 2001, the Vologda diocese declared Santa Claus a pagan deity. Bishop Maximilian (Lazarenko) of Vologda and Velikoustyuzhsky openly declared that the Church would take part in the celebrations in Veliky Ustyug (the birthplace of a fairy-tale hero) only if it was noted in the official biography of Father Frost that he had received Orthodox baptism.
    In the same year, in the city of Kirillov, the Vologda diocese closed the unique fabulous museum of Baba Yaga. Bishop Maximilian accused the fairy-tale heroine of Satanism.
    The Yaroslavl diocese joined the Vologda diocese. The official statement of the diocese said: "The dominant power patronizes the deification of fairytale heroes: Baba Yaga and the Water One. Neopagan temples are artificially created, in which pseudo-religious rituals begin to be performed, children are involved in these rituals. Tourist trails are laid to demonic temples. in worship of the devil, causing terrible harm to their immortal souls ... If the authorities are closer to the water and baba-yaga than Christ, the Mother of God and our saints, then such a power is pitiable, like the people who chose her. "
    By the way, the fathers of the church are fighting the heroes of folklore for more than one day. In 1860, the famous researcher of Russian folk art A.N. Afanasyev published another collection of folk tales. The Chief Prosecutor of the Holy Synod, Count A.P. Tolstoy, sent a letter to the Minister of Public Education:
    Regarding the book (that is, omitted by the censor Naumov) published by Mr. Afanasyev under the title: “Russian folk legends”, the enlightened Metropolitan Filaret addressed me with a letter in which he explained that ... fairy tales were added to the name of Christ the Savior and the saints in this book that offend pious feelings, morality and decency, and that it is necessary to find a means to protect religion and morality from printed blasphemy and reproach.
    As a result, by order of the General Directorate of Censorship, it was prescribed to prohibit reprinting of new books by the book “Folk Russian Legends Collected by Afanasyev”, and 5000 already printed copies were destroyed.
    Interestingly, in the author's creative plans there is no article about "shameful and gloomy pages" in the history of other churches? For the sake of historical justice.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 10 December 2018 12: 22
      0
      But, after all, everything is correctly spoken (representatives of the Orthodox dioceses), which is how they differ from the Catholics mentioned, these devils have a pure form. It may seem strange - but, they (Catholics) are the real obscurantists.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 10 December 2018 12: 35
      +1
      Quote: Decimam
      However, time is advancing and encouraging trends are noted in the Vatican's activities. "
      In terms of encouraging trends.
      In 2001, the Vologda diocese announced

      An article about the medieval Catholic Inquisition. How can one not recall the ORTHODOX today?
      Quote: Decimam
      In 2001, the Vologda diocese declared Santa Claus a pagan deity. Bishop of Vologda and Velikoustyuzhsky Maximilian (Lazarenko) openly declared that the Church would take part in the celebrations in Veliky Ustyug (the birthplace of a fairy-tale hero) only if it was noted in the official biography of Father Frost that he had received the Orthodox baptism

      the official position of the Church: commenting on this statement to Interfax, the official representative of the Moscow Patriarchate, Father Vsevolod Chaplin, said that
      pays tribute "healthy irony Bishop Maximilian. "According to him, the Russian Orthodox Church respects Father Frost, but the custom of making him the central figure of the New Year's celebration is" a relic of the Soviet surrogate for celebrating the New Year, which was invented to consign to oblivion the traditions associated with the celebration of the Nativity of Christ. " Although, he added, the Orthodox Church "respects secular traditions

      It would seem that it is not clear?
      1. Decimam
        Decimam 10 December 2018 13: 25
        +3
        Olgovich, everything is clear with you a long time ago and does not cause any questions.
        As far as the holy fathers are concerned, "not everything is clear" and there is no unity in the ranks of the clergy. For example, Metropolitan Kirill of Smolensk and Kaliningrad considers Father Frost a "cultural tradition", and the deputy chairman of the Moscow Patriarchate's Department for External Church Relations, Hieromonk Philip, "an unhealthy neo-pagan manifestation."
        And how, by the way, have Christmas trees already been delivered to Romance Mare?
        1. Decimam
          Decimam 10 December 2018 13: 52
          +1
          Interestingly, is it the Romanians who are minding, or were the dragging-overs made?
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 10 December 2018 14: 05
          +2
          Quote: Decimam
          Olgovich, with You everything is clear a long time ago and does not cause any questions.

          where about me-speak Article? belay Nowhere Then why empty, uninteresting to anyone, chatter?
          Quote: Decimam
          Concerning holy fathers, then "not everything is clear" and there is no unity in the ranks of the clergy. For example, Metropolitan of Smolensk and Kaliningrad Kirill considers Father Frost a "cultural tradition", and the deputy chairman of the Department for External Church Relations of the Moscow Patriarchate, Hieromonk Philip, "an unhealthy neopagan manifestation."

          Metropolitan is not a holy father, do not carry nonsense.

          The official position of the Russian Church is given above.
          Quote: Decimam
          And how, by the way, have Christmas trees already been delivered to Romance Mare?

          I do not know. request What a strange question? Use search engines
          1. Decimam
            Decimam 10 December 2018 14: 28
            +1
            What do you mean, I don’t know? Don't you go outside?
            As for the title of clergy of the Orthodox Church, I know it well, as well as your habit of procrastinating particular foreign commentary and avoiding the main question. So Ku Bin !, dear.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 11 December 2018 10: 21
              0
              Quote: Decimam
              What do you mean, I don’t know? Don't you go outside?

              TOPIC article, take a look. Once again I ask, WHOM is your empty-handed interesting chatter?
              Quote: Decimam
              As for the title of clergy of the Orthodox Church, it is ple well known

              Nonsense, they were caught, "expert"! lol
              Quote: Decimam
              avoiding the main issue

              and what is our "main issue"? belay do
              Quote: Decimam
              In 2001 year Vologda diocese declared Santa Claus a pagan deity. Bishop Maximilian (Lazarenko) of Vologda and Velikoustyuzhsky openly declared that the Church would take part in the celebrations in Veliky Ustyug (the birthplace of a fairy-tale hero) only if it was noted in the official biography of Santa Claus that he had accepted
              ?
              No, it turns out the Catholic Inquisition. But not .... "The Orthodox Metropolis of Santa Claus."

              Quote: Decimam
              So Ku Bin !, dear.

              So "Come on, goodbye," dear man. yes
  20. sivuch
    sivuch 10 December 2018 12: 55
    0
    As far as I know, in France (after its unification) there were no branches of the Inquisition. The heresies were dealt with by the theological faculty of the Sorbonne. True, heretics themselves did not feel any easier.
  21. Senior seaman
    Senior seaman 10 December 2018 14: 58
    +3
    And, yes, I would also like to talk about the "exploits" of the Protestants, who sent the people to the fire much more and in less time than the inquisitors. (Among them, surprise, were not only the Dominicans, but also the Franciscans.)
  22. irazum
    irazum 10 December 2018 15: 44
    -3
    It seems to me that it is enough to look at the map of Europe and see where and what is the standard of living, and then look at which religion is dominant there. And immediately everything becomes clear.
    1. Mikhalych
      Mikhalych 14 January 2019 15: 03
      0
      Where did you look there and what do you understand? For people like you, the highest trough with Botvina is the highest happiness. laughing
      1. irazum
        irazum 14 January 2019 16: 17
        0
        Yes, dear, you are just a "tram boor", of you F.F. Preobrazhensky did not try, for an hour, to make a man?
  23. kalibr
    kalibr 10 December 2018 16: 57
    +6
    Well, just Protestants burned more people than Catholics!
  24. Dirty Harry
    Dirty Harry 10 December 2018 17: 52
    +3
    Yes, inquisitors are always bad, and their victims are always good (especially destructive sects like the Cathars). A purely communist approach. To begin with, in the "witch hunt" Protestants have succeeded much more than Catholics, and witches were executed only for malicious witchcraft (flights to the Sabbath, for example, did not bring harm to anyone - and therefore were punishable only by public flogging). Taking into account the fact that these "flights" were made by taking hallucinogens - such "witches" are still being treated forcibly, and the methods are often no better than flogging!

    In France, for example, on charges of dealing with demons, the national heroine Jeanne d'Arc and her colleague, Marshal of France Baron Gilles de Rais, were executed.

    But is it that the inquisitors refused to participate in the Orleans Virgo process, precisely because the case was clearly fabricated?

    A distinctive feature of the Spanish Inquisition was its pronounced anti-Semitic orientation. So, of all those convicted by the Inquisition in Barcelona for the period from 1488 to 1505, 99,3% were “conversos” (forcibly baptized Jews convicted of performing the rites of Judaism), in Valencia between 1484-1530. they turned out to be 91,6%.

    Faith allows Jews to pretend to profess a different faith (for example, Christianity). But the Inquisitors did not like this practice. Retaliation was clearly inadequate - but the processes themselves were far from fabricated!

    Science, culture, industrial production fell into decay, and Spain for many centuries turned into one of the most backward countries in Western Europe.

    The expulsion of Jews and Moors - 1492, it is the year of the discovery of America. Spain has evolved to the world empire and lost most of the colonies only in the 1820s, and the Inquisition had nothing to do with it!
  25. Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 10 December 2018 19: 07
    +5
    It's just some kind of sabbath ... Obscurantists of all stripes have gathered from communist atheists to orthodox fascists and dolboslavov-Rodnover ... One population of Russia in the 10th century. 12 million people, and then during 12 years two thousand people every day without weekends and holidays, Jewish Christians killed (how did they not get tired?), Another rejoices that Jews saw unfortunate pagans, Jews sawed and crushed with wood saws at the mouth it proves that Russian culture is completely Orthodox (wasn’t Tolstoy excommunicated from the church?), someone accuses Orthodox of destroying Russian culture ...
    wassat wassat wassat
    I, perhaps, will go, and then suddenly it is contagious ... The computer will need to be washed with bleach and the cable from the Internet will be disinfected.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 10 December 2018 22: 45
      +3
      To the computer - antivirus programs inside systemically, and patch the cord in a weak solution of potassium permanganate
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 11 December 2018 10: 34
      +2
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      Russian culture is entirely Orthodox (didn’t Tolstoy excommunicate from the church?)

      Mostly Orthodox, of course, because created by Orthodox people.
      Tolstoy himself denied the Church:
      I really renounced the Church, stopped performing its rites
      .
      But then he traveled many times to Optina deserts, wanted to settle in a monastery and on his deathbed called on Elder Joseph from there. Although he promised it .....
  26. rayruav
    rayruav 10 December 2018 19: 20
    +2
    they didn’t burn those, only representatives of the State Department in the United Nations, Mogherini, the managing director of the IMF, etc. could appear from witches
  27. Kola Lopar
    Kola Lopar 10 December 2018 19: 32
    +6
    But in reality it was not so at all. For example, the Albigensians, like all Manichaeans, were still those scumbags, their supporters slaughtered Catholics no worse than the Inquisition slaughtered Albigensians. Albigensians it was the most common totalitarian sect. And there were many such sects in medieval Europe.

    The fact that the author slanders the Inquisition, ascribes to her what she did not do, can be judged by the link to the "Hammer of the Witches". The authors of this book had nothing to do with the Inquisition. The Inquisition fought against heretics, and did not deal with cases of witchcraft, witchcraft was punished according to criminal law, and not according to canon law, witches and sorcerers in those days passed through secular proceedings, as well as thieves, robbers, murderers and other criminals.

    I do not at all defend the Inquisition, but I do not need to ascribe unnecessary sins to her, from her and my bulk.
    Beautiful women in Europe were burned, hung and drowned by everyone, including Protestants.
  28. smaug78
    smaug78 10 December 2018 20: 24
    +1
    It is enough to look at the number of people sentenced to death by the Inquisition to understand that everything that the Inquisition has been deliberately denigrated and continues to denigrate
  29. merkava-2bet
    merkava-2bet 10 December 2018 20: 55
    +3
    Every day on the site everything is more interesting, such sections appear, I regret that it is quickly read, to the author Thank you.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 10 December 2018 22: 47
      0
      Many will disagree with you
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 10 December 2018 23: 05
        +2
        Oh, again a minus, not verbally justified in any way. "I laugh at you, spirit dwarfs" !!!
  30. Setrac
    Setrac 10 December 2018 22: 22
    +1
    An interesting detail - the Cathars should have repented and recognized the sacraments, the pope and the HOLY TRINITY, that is, at that time the split between the Orthodox and Catholic churches had not yet occurred !!!
  31. Catfish
    Catfish 10 December 2018 23: 13
    0
    Quote: astepanov
    Russia is strong in absorbing and transforming the best from all over the world.


    Yep, exactly! The best!!! laughing (And the elephant is a truly Russian animal with a British passport) drinks

    By the way, in regards to "soaking up" - how about today? What is there mother Russia otkudova "absorbed" and where she "transformed" it, not a bit summing up?
    Show the best ... theorist ... tongue
  32. andrew42
    andrew42 14 December 2018 19: 30
    0
    The peoples of Western Europe can be pitied - they have exchanged their own popular worldviews for Christianized obscurantism. It all began very deceitfully - earlier the Middle Ages, the digestion of the culture of the Western Roman Empire, although at that time the "clovis" periodically came off to the fullest. Since the beginning of the Crusades, and the first "crusade" I would call 1066 with the landing of Guillaume in England - since that time obscurantism has grown exponentially. Medieval Europe was thinking "for three" - a knight - "robber", a Jew - "financier", a monk - "commissar". Moreover, the first and the third were not averse to, if possible, get rid of the second as a creditor. But conceptual thinking was not enough. As a result, the second character won through the financing of the suzerains, and then the suzerains - under the ax / guillotine. But these "three" have achieved the result completely - the destruction of the gene pool of the peoples of Western Europe is such that it seems irreversible. However, we, the Scythian-Mongolian-Buryats, should not teach the wits of the European "summer residents". It is too late to teach the mind, but the mind there and so soon will go out. For example, the current political Russophobia is a direct analogue of the medieval papist obscurantism. New 1242 is just around the corner.
    1. Karenas
      Karenas 14 December 2018 19: 34
      0
      Quote: andrew42
      The new year 1242 is just around the corner.

      It seems to me that the new 1917th is not far off ... the dominance of the commissars ...
  33. Mikhalych
    Mikhalych 14 January 2019 14: 57
    0
    Quote: Finches
    As liberals put it

    Do you sympathize with the liberals?
  34. Ehanatone
    Ehanatone 26 February 2019 04: 06
    0
    An extremely biased description with a bias on the accusation of only the Catholic Church, although the fiery leaders of the Inquisition were advanced Protestants!
    But why were ...
    1. decimalegio
      decimalegio 4 February 2021 18: 08
      0
      You are definitely right. But a Christian's lot is to patiently put up with troubled people.