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Chinese media: Chinese pilots are impressed with the capabilities of the Su-35

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In the Chinese media published material, which tells about the enthusiastic reviews of the Su-35 aircraft from the side of the PLA Air Force pilots. It is noted that the Chinese pilots report their impressions of the incredible maneuverability of Russian planes, as well as their technical capabilities, which in a number of areas exceed the capabilities of 5 generation airplanes (4 in the Chinese classification).


Chinese media: Chinese pilots are impressed with the capabilities of the Su-35


In particular, the resource SINA talks about preparing the Su-35 pilots to carry out new missions to patrol airspace over the South China Sea.

From the material:
Americans are anxious when they meet Su-35 fighters. They are clearly impressed with the photos that were published on Russian social networks.


These are photos in which a Russian pilot “caught” an American F-22 aircraft with “stealth” technology in the crosshair of sight — in Syrian airspace.

Sina Military:
The US military still believes that their F-22 is better than the Su-35, but this did not prevent the Russian fighter from not only coming from above, but also taking a picture of the "invisible". The technical capabilities of the Russian Su-35, including electronic suppression systems, may pose a threat not only to the F-22, but also to the F-35, despite the fact that the Stealth technology is not used on the Su-35.


The material contains the arguments of individual military experts who say that the presence of the F-22 photo from the Su-35 "does not mean that it is easy to knock it down." However, their opponents respond with the words that if F-22 was found, it turned out to be vulnerable, then in fact it means defeat in aerial combat.

It is noted that the very fact of hitting an American aircraft in the Su-35 sight exerts psychological pressure on US Air Force pilots.

From the material:
In any case, the F-22 does not have a total advantage over the Su-35, which is constantly being tried in the United States.


Recall that earlier in the same Chinese edition, the issue of studying the Su-35 set from Russia by the Chinese techies was discussed. In fact, we are talking about another attempt to copy the Russian military equipment.
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  1. Thrall
    Thrall 8 December 2018 07: 17
    +13
    but that didn’t stop the Russian fighter from not just coming from above, but also taking a photo of the “invisibility”

    Oh, this photohunt smile
    1. Machito
      Machito 8 December 2018 09: 06
      +11
      Su-35 is a great photo shooter on the F-22. Americans should not be nervous because of the sports enthusiasm of Russian pilots. laughing
      1. hrych
        hrych 8 December 2018 12: 01
        -3
        Quote: Bearded
        Americans should not be nervous because of the sports hobbies of Russian pilots

        Of course, not far off sea and air battle over the East China Sea. While Trump is carrying out import substitution in the United States, a direct blockade is not far off. This was already the case when the West declared a blockade of Japan, it had 4 months left and collapse, primarily due to fuel, and after attacking the United States with its allies and capturing wells, they lasted 4 years. The question also remains, who applied the directed earthquake against Sichuan when the nuclear and chemical-bacteriological center of the Celestial Empire was purposefully destroyed. There were interesting events in Turkey, supposedly preparing for an invasion of the Russian Federation fighting for life under the EBN, the Turkish army was disorganized by an earthquake. And what's more, later, after another earthquake in the Aegean, Turkish authorities directly declared its artificial nature and demanded an investigation. The mayor of Ankara demanded to establish the ownership of the ships that fumbled around the epicenter. And of course, the nuclear center in Fukushima, also, somehow strangely became the object of impact of the elements. The Russians have some strange submarines, the Americans, some strange ships with deep-sea equipment, etc. Therefore, the Chinese Su-35 may not have time to take off ...
        1. Maximxnumx
          Maximxnumx 8 December 2018 15: 37
          +1
          directly declared its artificial character

          Danila Koretsky not disdain? Do you believe it yourself?
          1. hrych
            hrych 8 December 2018 19: 21
            -1
            All questions to the Mayor of Ankara, Melihu Gökçek
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 8 December 2018 11: 23
      +3
      Quote: Thrall
      but that didn’t stop the Russian fighter from not just coming from above, but also taking a photo of the “invisibility”

      Oh, this photohunt smile

      Thrall, good little health! Do you understand what this is? In your video, OUR hare. American hares act like an American! wink
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 8 December 2018 07: 19
    +37
    The SU-35 is great, you won’t say anything ... they say it has a button on the control panel; "turn off the laws of physics" ..
    .
    1. andranick
      andranick 8 December 2018 08: 23
      +4
      "mobilis in mobile" is now not only the motto that Captain Nemo put on board the Nautilus. This is reality.
    2. sasha pv
      sasha pv 8 December 2018 08: 55
      +3
      Super-maneuverability button.
      1. rice
        rice 8 December 2018 09: 36
        +4
        Quote: sasha pv

        Super-maneuverability button.

        no
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        button; "turn off the laws of physics" ..

        sounds better laughing
      2. Patriarch
        Patriarch 8 December 2018 12: 03
        +2
        Quote: sasha PV
        Super-maneuverability button.

        This button is in the souls of our Russian pilots .. As long as no one can surpass them in audacity and risks!
        Hooligan is solid .. ha ha ha Flooring will be in the barracks! soldier
    3. Rostislav
      Rostislav 8 December 2018 09: 09
      +12
      It can be watched indefinitely.
      May God give health to those who create such a technique for Russia.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 8 December 2018 11: 33
        +2
        Namesake, hi We’ll rivet the equipment, the main thing is to grow the pilots!
        1. not main
          not main 8 December 2018 22: 25
          +1
          Quote: sabakina
          Namesake, hi We’ll rivet the equipment, the main thing is to grow the pilots!

          I’ll clarify the pilots!
      2. Patriarch
        Patriarch 8 December 2018 13: 20
        +2
        Quote: Rostislav
        It can be watched indefinitely.
        May God give health to those who create such a technique for Russia.

        And such risky pilots ... who are not anywhere in the world! Only among Russian hooligans ..)))

        Then he scrubbed the floors for a long time in the barracks .. laughing
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 8 December 2018 11: 50
      +7
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      The SU-35 is great, you won’t say anything ... they say it has a button on the control panel; "turn off the laws of physics" ..

      By this logic, the SU-57 apparently has a button - "UFO mode" with disabling the laws of physics and aerodynamics.
      One controlled corkscrew is worth it.
      1. Waldemar
        Waldemar 8 December 2018 22: 28
        +3
        On all Russian airplanes with installed UVT engines, the concept of a corkscrew as such does not exist anymore and does not apply to them, because such a plane, in principle, cannot fall into a corkscrew. Only in the event of engine or control system failure. That is, only by turning up and turning into a falling disc. In all other cases, there is simply no critical angle of attack for them - the engine changes the direction of thrust in three planes.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 8 December 2018 22: 55
          +2
          Quote: Valdemar
          On all Russian aircraft with installed UVT engines, the concept of a corkscrew as such no longer exists.

          Dear, there is an inverted (reverse) corkscrew, and a normal (direct) one both in the angle of the longitudinal axis of the aircraft and in the direction of the aircraft. The very concept of CORKER has not gone anywhere with the advent of UVT.
          And the fighter’s exit from the corkscrew is not due to the aerodynamics of the aircraft, but due to engines with high-voltage gear. All the difference.
          And here is an example of a reverse corkscrew performed by SU-35С ..
          1. Waldemar
            Waldemar 13 December 2018 23: 52
            0
            uncontrollable corkscrew, which is NATURALLY in question - this is the state when the aircraft is not controlled. The presence of UVT makes an uncontrollable corkscrew IMPOSSIBLE. nitpicking is not smart.
            Well, at least use logic sometimes, instead of reading a training manual to me
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 14 December 2018 00: 47
              0
              Quote: Valdemar
              Well, at least use logic sometimes, instead of reading a training manual to me

              Dear, turn on your head at least and read it carefully before scribbling angry posts. Where did I talk about the IMPROVABLE CORKSCREW? I tell you that with the advent of UVT the concept of corkscrew has not gone away.
    5. Tusv
      Tusv 8 December 2018 12: 00
      +1
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      they say he has a button on the control panel; "turn off the laws of physics" ..
      It’s quite a regular missile attack evasion device
    6. Maximxnumx
      Maximxnumx 8 December 2018 15: 43
      +1
      disable the laws of physics "

      Well, on the "roll" these whistle in the air? If there are all-aspect BB missiles maneuvering with overloads under 60g. Amuse the audience at the show?
      Today it’s in fashion to get the TsU from the UAV, quietly reach the target, launch missiles and flush safely.
      1. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 9 December 2018 00: 44
        +1
        Today, in the mode of interference, intelligence means are scored. Accordingly, the battle distance and the required reaction time are reduced many times.
        An all-aspect rocket is a machine subject to interference. And if at the first start-up the success is not achieved, there is a "dump for dogs" ahead. It is, of course, not an end in itself, but one must be ready for it. The phantom was also equipped with a cannon afterwards, according to the results of the analysis of losses. And they also threatened to shoot all opponents from a distance, like in a shooting range.
        1. Maximxnumx
          Maximxnumx 9 December 2018 02: 50
          0
          Phantom, also equipped with a gun after, according to the analysis of losses

          Not because of the interference. The first MiG-21s also had only 2 air-to-air missiles.
          Something, in spite of the "Vitebsk" and "presidents" as planes and helicopters fell, and still fall. Even from MANPADS. Both the Su-24 and the Il-20 were dropped. No F-35 will get involved in "close combat". Will fire rockets and leave if not hit. As in the conflict Uh. And in Yugoslavia there was no BB and in Iraq.
          1. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 9 December 2018 10: 23
            0
            Yes, he will not. If he can, with his speed, escape after launch. What I doubt very much.
            To launch missiles, you need to turn on reconnaissance means. So much for stealth! Even if the missiles are launched at the control center of another source, Lynx will still work.
            1. Maximxnumx
              Maximxnumx 10 December 2018 02: 22
              0
              So much for stealth! Even if the missiles are launched at the control center of another source, Lynx will still work.

              AN / APG-81 has a mode of operation when the aircraft is practically unmasked, a narrow beam. This radar is a masterpiece, judging by the declared performance characteristics.
              Missiles with an active seeker do not need to "turn on reconnaissance means," the task of the Central Control Center is to get the missile to the point where it can independently lock on to the target.
              Regarding speed ... and often do planes fly 2,5M? Yes, almost never! And 1900 km / h (1,6 M) waiting for the attack aircraft is quite enough for itself, all the more so, in the 2,5 M mode you can fly for minutes ... and the F-35 has over-the-air supersound.
              Yes, and Link16, when working at the reception, it will not find itself .. And how can an air defense system aim at such a signal? I dont know.
              1. Vlad.by
                Vlad.by 10 December 2018 19: 43
                +1
                Well, firstly, the air defense system does not induce a signal at all. The missile is aimed at the SNR or ROC or RPN signal reflected from the target.
                Nobody has yet learned how to fire airborne targets with anti-radar missiles - you will also be a pioneer in the hands of cards in your hands.
                Secondly - have you tried using a "narrow beam" to search or even search for a target? I'll tell you something else! Even with a decent control center, when you turn on high, the target does not always hit the beam and ... a feverish search begins with unpredictable results.
                Thirdly, there’s a masterpiece, not a masterpiece, but there are side lobes anyway and this will seriously unmask any radiation radar. Including in the case of a noise-like signal.
                Fourth, if ours, having a maximum speed of 2,5M, rarely fly on it (as you expect, apparently from an economy), then a penguin will not fly faster on a maximum speed (at least for the same reason). This is based on your own logic. And the difference in speed, penguin and plane, whether you want it or not, will remain the same. As are the consequences for the penguin.
                Well, Link, even working on reception, like any protocol for transmitting and receiving data, is still forced to issue control messages to ensure the reliability of the received information.
                And besides, the quiet, quiet penguin is full of radio equipment that somehow radiates into the air. You've probably heard that even a radio receiver emits, even a radar detector in a car, yes, much weaker than a radar, but it’s shining!
                What, by the way, are all kinds of RTR stations (Chain Mail, Vega, Valeria, etc., etc.) used. And with great success!
                And on the same Su-57 a pretty decent RTR station stands.
  3. Sofa expert
    Sofa expert 8 December 2018 07: 19
    -6
    Good news :) threw a feasted raptor ..
  4. wicked pinnochio
    wicked pinnochio 8 December 2018 07: 21
    -10
    it would still fly into space
  5. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 8 December 2018 07: 30
    0
    that is, the Chinese at least once, but honestly admitted that their aircraft industry lags far behind ours, and, with some copies, they will fight a little ..
  6. Dimas84
    Dimas84 8 December 2018 08: 03
    +26
    I came with the master of the delivery section to their "commander", to correct the questions after the OTO by their specialists. The main Chinese dug out why, in addition to the onboard oxygen production unit, a cylinder with a backup oxygen source was installed. Like, we do not want to take in such a configuration. What, he says, are the risks for this aircraft. Asks, clearly the case, through their interpreter. The master talks to them about "improving the design", etc. The Chinese does not stop. At this point I could not resist and almost barked: in the air, I say, all systems should be duplicated, especially life support. Both the interpreter and the commander looked at me, said an international "aha" in unison and turned the conversation to something else. I was asleep, the commander with his "aha" - he understood everything in our way. Another time, the head of our Chinese pricked. He came up and asked what they called "plane". The one, stupid, said and immediately, with fright, apparently, grabbed his mouth - pierced. But the farthest went the skeletons - when the whales were too nagging about the shape of the closing heads of the rivets, they started howling about the quality of sneakers and clothes. Our younger brothers forever forgot about rivets.
    And another joke. The Chinese are leading general relativity. One finds an insignificant defect-gap of 3 instead of 5 mm between the pipe and the stiffener of the detachable part of the wing. Our hard worker without hesitation with a special wedge makes him 7 mm, since the dimensions of the compartment allow, without the formation of an ellipse of the pipe. The Chinese was simply delighted - we would, grit, half-open, dismantle, undock the pipe and drag it to the pipe bending mill, change the configuration in millimeters.
    In short, our combat aircraft in every sense
    1. Altona
      Altona 8 December 2018 11: 15
      +4
      Quote: Dimas84
      The Chinese were simply delighted

      -------------------------
      The USSR had a complete and extensive scientific and engineering school for the creation of aviation and space technology. Reading such articles, you are convinced that there are still many gaps in the Chinese scientific school. Copying and reverse engineering does not solve all problems. Such articles show what baggage our "effective managers" have squandered and what the value of these "managers" is and how far these "managers" can look in time.
      1. Dimas84
        Dimas84 8 December 2018 15: 02
        0
        "Managers" of all stripes - from production foremen to shop managers, their deputies simply make themselves and their superiors gorgeous lavender. Which at the end of the year is handed out in envelopes at a country party. And the compliance of the manufactured products with the technical requirements declared for it is a side effect. Shaft, timing, defense order, saving the bonus fund is a priority. And the time is up to 23 years. After that, the industry will begin to shrink
      2. Dimas84
        Dimas84 8 December 2018 15: 26
        +6
        There is, by the way, the opinion that the Su-35 (gp-156) were acquired exclusively because of the product of 117 - 2 engines with a controlled thrust vector. In combination with the KSU, they give the product the same over-maneuverability (30 tons of tug hangs in place and makes a 180-turn!). Of course, they also wanted to have such an engine! For this purpose, a batch of 24 cars was acquired. And a guarantee group, with accommodation in China.
        Well, wish them good luck.
        At one time, about 200 Su-30MKK products were assembled for the PRC. An attempt to copy them failed. For some reason, they save a lot on Titan. We have made of solid titanium billets from the supporting elements of the frame and sheathing. The Chinese, roughly speaking, assemble the skeleton and skin from pieces and patches. Naturally, the product assembled in this way does not correspond to the mechanical and power parameters.
        Well, plus our avionics, as always original and functional.
        Actually, the Su-35 is an excellent machine, the peak of the evolution of a fighter to gain supremacy in the air of the Su-27.
        The only pity is that the entire aerospace industry, however, like all the others, is permeated by you know who and what
  7. andrewkor
    andrewkor 8 December 2018 08: 03
    +3
    Already "Chinese technicians" are studying the Su-35 for the purpose of copying. Not even engineers and scientists.
  8. aszzz888
    aszzz888 8 December 2018 08: 15
    -3
    It is noted that the very fact of the American aircraft getting into the sight of the Su-35 exerts psychological pressure on the pilots of the US Air Force.

    ... the Merikatos sailors on the Cook also did not shine with a stable psychology ... laughing
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 December 2018 09: 14
    0
    Finally! They admitted that our Su-35 is better than the Raptor (and secretly, the J-20 would not be worth "sparring" with it). Copy - let them try. Technique (dimensions) and copy ... And the technology? Engines? Resource? What will look like is yes wassat
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 8 December 2018 10: 37
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Finally! They admitted that our Su-35 is better than the Raptor (and secretly, the J-20 would not be worth "sparring" with it). Copy - let them try. Technique (dimensions) and copy ... And the technology? Engines? Resource? What will look like is yes wassat


      this is how Hottabych made copies - without troubles on the internal contentlaughing
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 8 December 2018 12: 36
        0
        You are talking about dollars. made from papyrus?
  10. UMA-UMA
    UMA-UMA 8 December 2018 09: 30
    0
    Su-35 is a great car. His overmovement is unsurpassed, in battle all these chakras and other somersaults are not very important, but the capabilities of the machine demonstrate clearly and convincingly. Nevertheless, f22 is the worst car and it doesn’t easily belong to it, its photo in the sight does not count, this is not a training air battle, but a meeting on the route, i.e. f22 did not resist photohunting))
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 8 December 2018 11: 54
      +4
      Quote: UMA-UMA
      Su-35 great car. His overmovement is unsurpassed, in battle all these chakras and other somersaults are not very important, but the capabilities of the machine demonstrate clearly and convincingly.

      Other somersaults show the car for overloads at maximum speeds.
      Quote: UMA-UMA
      those. Ф22 did not resist photohunting))

      The lizard stupidly did not see the C-35C to resist. He saw him too late. And during the fighting, instead of a picture for memory, a rocket would have flown into the tail of the lizard.
      1. UMA-UMA
        UMA-UMA 8 December 2018 12: 41
        0
        )))) understandably. All fools, and we are smart. Blessed is he who believes.
      2. Kaw
        Kaw 8 December 2018 16: 13
        0
        Yeah, I haven’t. And did the pilot of the F-22 drink on the radiation warning station?
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 8 December 2018 16: 24
          +4
          Quote: Kaw
          Did the pilot of the F-22 drink the radiation warning station?

          Why then did this teetotaler put the SU-35С in its tail? This is despite the fact that he nightmare our attack aircraft then.
    2. Puzoter
      Puzoter 8 December 2018 12: 26
      +7
      Yes Yes. He let a potential enemy fighter with unknown intentions go into his tail. "I just didn't resist"))) I just screwed up.
      1. UMA-UMA
        UMA-UMA 8 December 2018 12: 42
        -7
        No, it’s just that they have such sloppy equipment that he didn’t notice us. Look at the photo of the downed Su24 and Il20. Anika warriors.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 8 December 2018 16: 45
          +4
          Quote: UMA-UMA
          Look at the photo of the downed Su24 and Il20. Anika warriors.

          Did the Raptors shoot them down in battle, Anika-troll?
          1. UMA-UMA
            UMA-UMA 8 December 2018 17: 38
            -5
            No, they shot down f16 with impunity, what can I say about f22
  11. Kerensky
    Kerensky 8 December 2018 10: 09
    -1
    And will they also copy the pilots? Here you need talent.
    1. UMA-UMA
      UMA-UMA 8 December 2018 11: 25
      -3
      Talent is optional. Preparation, preparation and preparation again. This is a must. The Chinese have excellent chse with this.
      1. Kerensky
        Kerensky 8 December 2018 11: 40
        +2
        Preparation, preparation and preparation again.

        "And talent is an initiative of nature ..." (C)
        In my yard, a few years ago, a famous actor hit a tree stump with a car. So he said: "Nice car, but the fool got it!".
        There are expressions: As ... A pilot from God ...
        1. UMA-UMA
          UMA-UMA 8 December 2018 12: 40
          -2
          You are about theory, I'm talking about practice.
  12. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 8 December 2018 15: 18
    -2
    Yes, brilliant! Sell ​​the best secret fighters to a potential enemy. I wonder what screams will be when thousands of these copies fly to us in the Far East and Siberia, or even further. In the Soviet Union, for such a "sale" would have put ...........
    And the Chinese will climb the war for Baikal when they are ready. About all other resources, even laziness to write.
    1. pru-pavel
      pru-pavel 8 December 2018 18: 34
      +1
      In the Soviet Union, the Chinese were presented with a Chinese nuclear bomb along with their production technology. Are you talking about some kind of airplanes?
    2. Hypersound
      Hypersound 10 December 2018 00: 38
      0
      Both Rush and China are under the same Masonic forces, so. Here is the West - under another Masonic group, hence the conflict
  13. Kaw
    Kaw 8 December 2018 16: 10
    -5
    It has an F-22 total advantage over the Su-35.
    Su-35 will be able to see it, only in front of his nose.
    1. Hypersound
      Hypersound 10 December 2018 00: 35
      0
      Su-35 will see him from about 197km
  14. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 9 December 2018 00: 25
    0
    The incomprehensible news flashed that the Chinese J-20 flew to the United States. ? belay
    Photo J-20 at an American base. Fake?
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 10 December 2018 01: 03
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The incomprehensible news flashed that the Chinese J-20 flew to the United States. ? belay
      Photo J-20 at an American base. Fake?

      [i] The US military is using mock-ups of Chinese fifth-generation fighters for pilot training. Knowing the shape and approximate outlines, one can judge the main characteristics of the aircraft, experts say.
      A mock-up of a Chinese J-20 fighter was spotted at an airfield in Georgia, where the 165th airlift wing is based, The Aviationist reported.
      https://news.rambler.ru/weapon/41393260/?utm_content=rnews&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 10 December 2018 01: 33
        0
        Layouts, models - this is understandable. Visual aids.
        But why make a life-size model? belay
        In addition, today all types of aircraft are driven into computer simulators. There you can even arrange
        very natural air combat J-20 with F-35 or F-22 with joysticks or even with real helms ... To train pilots.
        I'm more inclined towards the "photoshop" version.
  15. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 9 December 2018 23: 38
    0
    The copy and the original are different things and the point is to get into a fake knowing that the original is much higher