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A reminder of Pearl Harbor - the watch of memory from former allies

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7 December 2018, as The website reports "Memorial complex base Pearl Harbor", on the island of Oahu (Hawaii), in the memorial in honor of the dead members of the crew of the lux "Arizona", a memory watch dedicated to the 77 anniversary of the US entry into World War II took place.


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As a result of the destruction of the battleship, 1177 people died, of which more than 900 was immured in the interior of a combat ship.


View from the bird's flight on the body of the battleship "Arizona", sunk during the strike of Japanese aircraft, and a memorial erected over it in the waters of Pearl Harbor.


Photo source: https: //www.stripes.com/news/veterans/with-five-uss-arizona-crewmembers-remaining-it-s-twilight-for-pearl-harbor-survivors-1.559207


However, a number of crew members of the "Arizona" still survived, and those who survived in the fire of further battles of the Second World War, many years after it ended, came to the ceremony dedicated to the 7 tragedy of December 1941.

The 5 crew members of this battleship are still alive: Lonnie Cook (98 years), Luren Bruner (98 years), Kan Potts (97 years), Lou Conter (97 years) and Don Stratton (96 years). True, for the first time in all the post-war time, none of them will be able to attend, for health reasons, an event related to the attack of the Japanese on the US Navy base in Hawaii.

However, 40 is still living American veterans of the war in the Pacific participated in the solemn ceremony of memory (of this number, about half - those who survived the blow to Pearl Harbor).

In conclusion, we will quote the words of the Managing Director of the ceremony:
What a pity that the last of those who still remember the first steps on the long road to Tokyo, started on December 7 of December 1941, are gradually leaving us ...
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  1. Andrey Chistyakov
    Andrey Chistyakov 7 December 2018 18: 32
    +2
    Was that the Japanese?
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 7 December 2018 18: 38
      +8
      The Japanese mourn over Hiroshima and Nagasaki. These events probably do not connect with Pearl Harbor.
      1. Andrey Chistyakov
        Andrey Chistyakov 7 December 2018 18: 40
        +4
        Quote: Krasnodar
        The Japanese mourn over Hiroshima and Nagasaki. These events probably do not connect with Pearl Harbor.

        Obama came to them about this. True, I didn’t apologize.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 7 December 2018 18: 42
          -1
          D u rk that came.
          1. SOF
            SOF 7 December 2018 19: 30
            +7
            Quote: Krasnodar
            D u rk that came

            .... fool, that it’s not that he didn’t apologize, but at least he didn’t express his grief, because to the instant destruction of a mass of people (who hardly at all polls ate Chinese, and on which, by the way, amers, in that the war was spitting) his state has the most direct relationship, because, as it turned out, not only the ghoul from Germany, which was bent at that time, could come up with the idea of ​​testing new, cannibalistic weapons on the civilian population .........
            ... your friends .....
            ..... tell who your friend is and I will say who you are .... (C)
            PS .... and those who died at PX - honor and eternal memory .... for then we were allies ........... until the 45th year, though ....... ..........
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 7 December 2018 19: 39
              -4
              Sorrow at the one-time destruction of the civilian population (including 38 thousand KOREAN SLAVES in these cities) could express at home, in the oral office. It’s not clever to come to places that allow Japanese militarists to make themselves victims of the war they started for the president of the country that was attacked.
              With all due respect to the dead innocent children.
              About friendship with the States of the Jewish state - what do I have to do with this? laughing Although for me, there is a lot to learn from the Amers, the Japanese, by the way, too.
              1. SOF
                SOF 7 December 2018 21: 19
                +2
                Quote: Krasnodar
                With all due respect to the lost innocent children

                ... the top of cynicism is to show respect to children with sliding skin and leaky eyes who died from harsh radiation and show a joyful desire to learn from those who did it against those who were engaged in cannibalism of the Chinese, in your own words ........ ......
                .... you, like opus, only confirm my belief in respect of you ...... and ..... you should not renounce the friendship of the Jewish state with the states - I have a very good memory and I remember very well as with any, right or wrong, hitting a hexagonal direction, you, desperately and with foam at your mouth, stood up to defend him .........
                .... I would, however, abolish dual citizenship .........
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 7 December 2018 21: 27
                  -7
                  1) Americans should learn productivity and enterprise
                  2) Japanese should learn labor productivity and the desire for perfectionism
                  3) I have a relationship with Israel, no with Israeli-American friendship))
                  4) So run for the State Duma, lobby for this proposal - has the right to life.
                  1. SOF
                    SOF 7 December 2018 22: 12
                    +4
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    1) Americans should learn productivity and enterprise
                    2) Japanese should learn labor productivity and the desire for perfectionism
                    3) I have a relationship with Israel, no with Israeli-American friendship))
                    4) So run for the State Duma, lobby for this proposal - has the right to life.

                    ... have passed ...
      2. Dym71
        Dym71 7 December 2018 18: 53
        +2
        Quote: Krasnodar
        The Japanese mourn over Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

        Not only in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, in Okinawa they grieve, there, from rape alone, they have already lost count. Vae victis
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 7 December 2018 18: 56
          +7
          Well, the Japanese should be silent about this. To rape, kill and eat some Chinese woman was the norm for them, they calmly write about it in his memoirs.
          1. Machito
            Machito 7 December 2018 19: 03
            -3
            A place of American provocation.
          2. Dym71
            Dym71 7 December 2018 19: 15
            +2
            Quote: Krasnodar
            To rape, kill and eat some Chinese woman was the norm for them, they calmly write about it in his memoirs.

            So is this American revenge for the Chinese? belay
            How could I not have guessed it at once, I am very grateful to "Krasnodar" for the hint, and the Chinese and the Japanese were also allies? No.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 7 December 2018 19: 25
              -2
              No, it's soldier chaos.
              The Manchurians (Pu Yi, Manzhou Guo) certainly.
              Kan Shi tea helped the Union, and Mao, oddly enough, the States.
              1. milton
                milton 9 December 2018 00: 57
                +1
                Quote: Krasnodar
                No, it's soldier chaos.
                The Manchurians (Pu Yi, Manzhou Guo) certainly.
                Kan Shi tea helped the Union, and Mao, oddly enough, the States.

                Evo like facts in the studio?
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 9 December 2018 01: 12
                  -1
                  Read Beaver WWII. Google Manzhou Guo. Read the biography of Chuikov.
          3. milton
            milton 9 December 2018 00: 56
            0
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Well, the Japanese should be silent about this. To rape, kill and eat some Chinese woman was the norm for them, they calmly write about it in his memoirs.

            Well, they don’t write about your warriors. There are no memoirs from the other world angry
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 9 December 2018 01: 12
              -1
              About Israeli, or what? )))
              1. milton
                milton 9 December 2018 01: 24
                0
                Quote: Krasnodar
                About Israeli, or what? )))

                It seems to me you served there, or am I confusing something?
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 9 December 2018 01: 26
                  -1
                  All is correct. So what do you want to say about the Israeli? )))
                  1. milton
                    milton 9 December 2018 01: 34
                    0
                    Ok, you asked, I answered you! Of course, I don't have the data, I'm not the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff of the General Staff of the Russian Federation, but after analyzing how the facts are taught by your favorite six-sided state, namely the concealment of losses, absolute indifference to the loss of civilians, whitewashing your own for any crimes, I can well assume that such cases are not exceptions, but rather practice! How do your main allies say "the war will write off everything"? In general, I wanted to know, since when did Chiang Kai Shi help the USSR? If there are documents, give a link, no then ......
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 9 December 2018 01: 50
                      -1
                      1) It is not possible to hide losses in Israel, and it is not necessary. They serve everyone, they are often at home. The country is small. Lists of dead soldiers with photographs are always on the front pages of newspapers.
                      2) There would be indifference to civilian casualties - only in Gaza with Lebanon would there be more corpses than for all the Arab-Israeli wars on both sides. laughing
                      3) Otmaz his own for any crime? With the advent of the Internet and cameras on any smartphone, this is impossible.
                      4) Not Tea Kang Shi of the USSR helped, but vice versa))
                      Links:
                      https://nstarikov.ru/club/80649
                      https://www.google.ru/amp/s/iz.ru/export/google/amp/489282
                      https://history.wikireading.ru/156376
                      Etc. By the way, the famous Stalingrad Chuikov was an adviser in the Kuomintang army.
                      5) The war will write everything off - by no means an American saying.
                      1. milton
                        milton 9 December 2018 02: 03
                        0
                        I’ll check your links
    2. StudentVK
      StudentVK 7 December 2018 18: 41
      +4
      This is the way that liberoids like to say that in other countries the days of victory in wars are just days of memory, sorrow and use.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 7 December 2018 18: 43
        0
        Liberals (in the Russian sense of the word) confuse everything in the world - Western Europe with the States, the First World War with the Second ...
    3. A good one
      A good one 7 December 2018 18: 41
      -2
      The Japanese have much to be proud of. smile
    4. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 7 December 2018 18: 42
      0
      If there were, then above the deck of "Arizona" they would talk about aggressive Russia. Trend.
    5. Finches
      Finches 7 December 2018 18: 56
      +9
      The US supreme leadership knew very well about the impending aggression on their base, but they sat silently and poked their noses, they needed the death of their military, preferably on a massive scale, then a little Hollywood and voila, the degree of patriotism is off the charts, now everything can be justified, including why the second front in Europe is not yet profitable, and with a prospect for the future, why did we wipe out two civilian cities in a nuclear fire! September 11 is all the same policy of the leadership of the mega-corporation "USA". Philanthropy, mercy ... - no, have not heard! Babosiki is our earthly compass, and income is a reward for rottenness! laughing
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 7 December 2018 20: 16
        +11
        Quote: Finches
        The supreme leadership of the United States was well aware of the impending aggression on its base
        One could say more, they didn’t only know, but they needed it, the Japanese were provoked to attack so that the United States could enter World War II, to which the American public was not eager to have a direct relationship, to get involved in hostilities. Why, instead of the alleged farce for the Yankees, there was a tragedy, despite the fact that they had withdrawn the aircraft carriers from Pearl Harbor in advance, leaving the battleships? Analysis of the attack of the Italian base in Taranto, by British carrier-based aircraft, revealed that due to the shallow depths, most aircraft torpedoes were buried in the ground. At Pearl Harbor, the depths were even shallower. Second, it was known for certain that the Japanese aviation did not have armor-piercing bombs that could somehow damage well-protected battleships. And what about the brave samurai? The guys improved torpedoes, a simple wooden device that did not allow the torpedo to burrow when dropped from an aircraft. The second, from the category of "cheap and cheerful", instead of armor-piercing bombs, the Japanese used large-caliber armor-piercing shells, to which they simply welded stabilizers. So the Yankees got the carnage, having lost virtually all the power of their battleships of the Pacific Fleet. What else I would like to note here, the Americans have long rotten traditions, for the "legitimacy" of their "righteous" anger, be it in the bay of Havana, with the armored cruiser "Maine", the same Pearl Harbor (where at least not the battleships themselves were sunk), The Tonkin incident, or the industrial bombing of its own twin towers. If we add to this the Hollywood "conquest" of the Moon, the greatest swindle of the century, then, someday, this "nation" will be erected a shameful monument, for all the arrogance, meanness, hypocrisy and hypocrisy that they brought to our earthly civilization.
        1. Finches
          Finches 7 December 2018 20: 22
          +3
          Absolutely to the point! hi
          1. asar
            asar 8 December 2018 00: 54
            0
            Amery wanted
            climb into the section of the world and climbed!
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 10 December 2018 11: 53
          0
          Quote: Per se.
          You can say more, not only knew, but they needed it, they provoked the Japanese to attack, so that the United States could enter the Second World War, to which the American public was not eager to have a direct relationship, to engage in hostilities.

          They provoked them to strike in the Philippines. The attack on PX was a complete surprise for Washington.
          Quote: Per se.
          Why, instead of the alleged farce, was a tragedy for the Yankees, despite the fact that they removed aircraft carriers from Pearl Harbor in advance, leaving the battleships?

          A good provocation is to expose the main class of ships to attack. The basis of the US Navy in 1941 was considered to be LC. The task of the AB was to ensure their actions - conducting reconnaissance in the interests of linear forces and fighting against reconnaissance of the enemy by destroying his AB. It is this tactic that the US fleet worked on in all pre-war exercises.
          And, by the way, AV Enterprise almost fell under the distribution. If the Japanese raid was delayed even for an hour or two, then Big E would be caught at the entrance to the harbor.
          Quote: Per se.
          Second, from the "cheap and cheerful" category, instead of armor-piercing bombs, the Japanese used large-caliber armor-piercing shells, to which they simply welded stabilizers.

          Yeah ... and after this welding of a 1000-kg shell received an 800-kg bomb. smile
          Ne so it was, savsam ne so. ©

          The ballistic (1) and armor-piercing (2) tips, as well as leading belts (6), were dismantled at the shell. The cylindrical part of the projectile, which did not affect armor penetration, was turned on a cone (5) to reduce the weight of the bomb to the B5N acceptable for the Nakajima carrier-based strike aircraft. The internal cavity (4) was increased, which also reduced the weight, significantly increased the explosive charge, and in addition, an aluminum damper (3) was installed there, following the model of new Japanese armor-piercing shells, which reduces shock loads on the explosive charge. A new screw bottom (7) was also made for two fuses (8) of an aircraft type and with a protrusion for attaching the stabilizer block. Plus, the stabilizer block itself (9), which was probably the simplest in this whole conversion. The result was a completely independent new ammunition, for which the original artillery shell served as nothing more than a blank with suitable dimensions and strength characteristics.
          © midnike
    6. milton
      milton 9 December 2018 00: 50
      0
      Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
      Was that the Japanese?

      They provoked this attack in order to legally enter the WWII, they simply slipped the reconnaissance to the Yap and let them check. And then they did not interfere with what they needed to do! They couldn’t just start a war because they themselves armed Germany and opposed its ally, they could have flown into
      on signed agreements. And after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, they received the exclusive right to fight with all the Yap allies. In part, this fact confirms that, on this day in the bay there were no aircraft carriers, the main force of mattresses at sea. Speaking of agreements, Dresden was wiped off the face of the earth, although, in addition to the cultural capital, it did not interfere with the Yusovites, and no one bombed Ford's factories during the entire war hi
  2. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 7 December 2018 18: 41
    +7
    we would each live as much as these survivors ..
  3. taiga2018
    taiga2018 7 December 2018 18: 46
    +3
    all the same, the Japanese performed a brilliant operation then ...
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 7 December 2018 18: 48
      +1
      Yes, but they did not destroy the fuel reserves on the islands.
      1. Antares
        Antares 7 December 2018 20: 41
        +1
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Yes, but they did not destroy the fuel reserves on the islands.

        The wave has been canceled and gone away, having carried out the most brilliant operation on the sea, having confirmed the undivided authority of aircraft carriers over battleships and bases ...
        It’s no joke - to deprive the enemy of battleships and most of the fleet in one day.
        Even this didn’t work out in the REV (instrumental possibilities are lower)
        The Japanese are masters of surprise attacks ... China, RI, USA, WB ...
        But the fact that they didn’t destroy it later came back to them a hundredfold ...
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 10 December 2018 12: 35
        0
        And they did it right.
        Already in the first raid, the Japanese lost 55 aircraft and 55 crew members - with an almost inactive air defense system. In the second raid, they would have to face the deployed canalized anti-aircraft defense of the coastal artillery and the fully finished canned anti-aircraft defense of the ships. Plus - three dozen living "axes". And most importantly, the Japanese aircraft were supposed to return to AB at dusk, with the prospect of a night landing.
        Let me remind you - on the ships of Kido Butai all the trained deck pilots available in Japan were assembled. And the attack on PX was auxiliary - to ensure the Pacific flank of the main operation in Southeast Asia. Moreover, the participation of AB in this operation was scheduled for six months in advance. And to risk the main blow due to losses in the impact auxiliary Nagumo could not. Moreover, given the fact that the American AB could not be found.

        And most importantly - the destruction of fuel tanks was absolutely pointless. Old tankers that were transferred to PX could be used as temporary fuel storage facilities (this was practiced by all parties - even the Japanese used such ersatz storage facilities). Moreover, they did not need to stand long in the harbor - already in 1942, protected rock storage facilities were commissioned in PX. And the largest oil producer in the world certainly had no problems with ship fuel.
    2. lis-ik
      lis-ik 7 December 2018 19: 29
      -2
      Quote: taiga2018
      all the same, the Japanese performed a brilliant operation then ...

      The film "Pearl-Khabor" I watch only from behind the scene of the destruction of the fleet, very tonic.
  4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 7 December 2018 18: 47
    +8
    Eternal memory to the fallen. Glory and honor to veterans, those who survived the tragedy of Pearl Harbor, fought with the Japanese further. We remember the deeds of the Soviet soldier, and rightly so, but we must not forget those who fought against fascism under the banners of our allies.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 7 December 2018 19: 15
      +8
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      we must not forget those who fought against fascism under the banner of our allies.

      All right, but a little clarification.
      1. Under the banner of the Allies against fascism fought in Normandy, during Operation Overlord, that is, on the Western Front ... We also know how the Yankees and Anglo-Saxons fought. According to the Verduns ...
      2. In the Pacific, the Yankees fought against Japanese militarism, first provoking this attack, then heroically mutuya samurai ...
      But! These ungrateful descendants of the WWII fighters did not even invite their allies, the veterans of the Red Army, to celebrate the opening of the second front on the 50 anniversary ...
      And they pretend that the millionth Kwantung Army dissolved itself, and was not defeated by our fighters ...
      Andrey, of course I respect you, but reduce PAPHOS, plz, in view of the current "thick" circumstances in relations with the FORMER allies. Who, a month after the Victory over Nazi Germany, had already bungled the IMPOSSIBLE plan!
      Actually, December 7, according to the fair saying of F.D. Roosevelt - DAY OF THE NATIONAL DISPUTE OF THE UNITED STATES!
      It’s hard to disagree with the US president.
      Personally, I also like it more (according to the mentality of the professional military). So that...
      If someone offended - I apologize.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 7 December 2018 19: 31
        +1
        1. For that matter, they fought against fascism in Italy and Sicily)) In Normandy, against Nazism.
        2. The Ardenes - the Germans patted them, but, as a result, seized them - there was no benefit from this attack, none of its goals were achieved.
        3. Provoked an embargo against Japan? Washington Pact of the early 20s?
        4. The fact that our veterans were not invited is a good idea.
        5. As for the Unthinkable, both the Americans and their own military sent Churchill.
        6. You do not confuse Roosevelt with Eisenhower?
        1. rayruav
          rayruav 7 December 2018 20: 32
          +7
          most importantly, thanks to them for egg powder, stew, machine tools, alloy steel, rubber, aluminum alloys, petroleum products, explosives and other things necessary for war
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 7 December 2018 20: 42
            +2
            And for the fact that 50% of the Luftwaffe fighter aircraft was used to protect Germany from bombing.
            1. igorka357
              igorka357 8 December 2018 04: 43
              +2
              Wow, they distracted a little strength from our front!
          2. 2329 Carpenter
            2329 Carpenter 7 December 2018 21: 24
            +5
            Well, for Cobras, Studers, Wilis and Doji, Kittyhawks and Shermans, Higgins and Bostons.
            1. igorka357
              igorka357 8 December 2018 04: 50
              -1
              Vasya is also ale to you, everything that you got up here was bought from the USA, but it didn’t work for nothing, and he paid the USSR with gold and not with paper, did you understand? they could have done without them!
              1. 2329 Carpenter
                2329 Carpenter 8 December 2018 21: 18
                -1
                What however ... Igoryok ...
                Such a manner of conversation would be highly disapproved of, to put it mildly, in woodwork, and especially in sawmills. Got it?
                Okay...
                What we paid with gold and other nishtyaks for good things was Pokryshkin, Gulaev, both Glinka and dozens of several aces of the Red Army Air Force, or just good pilots, who knew that. This is judged by their memoirs and various interviews. Plus thousands of drivers, tankers or sailors.
                And this good, and in many ways wonderful technique, never mind alienated us from our victory. It does not matter how much and how it was paid for and by whom it was produced.
                Got it, kid?
                Igaaareok pancake.
                1. igorka357
                  igorka357 9 December 2018 08: 54
                  0
                  Well, go, then substitute them, you can give your relatives to them in slavery! Doesn't matter to you what you are crying about? Whoa pancake. You didn’t like the phrase "Vasya ale" but you are, however, offended by some ..)) And read my comment more carefully, it says "yes it helped us, but not critical" For one tank, we paid amers in gold as for one and a half, so count it! realized that the flywheel of our troops was spun to the fullest, and splashing around "allies" if anything in the English Channel!
                  1. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA 10 December 2018 12: 37
                    0
                    Quote: igorka357
                    For one tank, we paid amers with gold as for one and a half, count!

                    And how much did the USSR pay for Lend-Lease?
          3. igorka357
            igorka357 8 December 2018 04: 43
            -2
            Eh-ale, what do you think they all gave us through friendship, for free?
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 8 December 2018 12: 56
          +1
          Quote: Krasnodar
          You do not confuse Roosevelt with Eisenhower?

          1. Do not confuse if historians do not lie:
          The very next day after the attack, US President Franklin Roosevelt addressed Congress with a "war message to the nation":
          "Yesterday, on a day marked forever with shame, the United States of America was unexpectedly and deliberately attacked by the Japanese Navy," Roosevelt said.
          Japan was declared a war.

          2. About "fascism" and "nazism" - a correct remark (clarification).
          3. What does the 1920 pact here, when there is a Note Hella from 26.11.1941.
          The clash of interests between the United States and Japan, players with imperial ambitions, began long before December 7, 1941. But the spark that ignited the fuse-word cord of the war in the Pacific was the so-called "Hull note" delivered to Japan by the US Secretary of State on November 26. Until now, historians from the United States and Japan have no consensus on this document. Japanese scientists regard the note as an ultimatum, while the American ones are on exactly opposite positions. According to Japanese scholars, Hull's note demanded from Japan the obviously impossible: withdrawal of troops from China, withdrawal from the Triple Pact concluded by Japan, Germany and Italy in September 1940. The Japanese side took the note as a demonstration of the US unwillingness to continue negotiations.

          4. The unthinkable is a clear evidence of the true thoughts and intentions of the "allies" in relation to our country.
          5. For comments on the merits - thanks. hi
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 8 December 2018 13: 27
            -3
            1) I'm talking about Roosevelt's career - he was not a professional military man. (I did not understand that you are a professional military man)
            3) Washington in the year 21 made a decision on its own right to resolve disputes in the Pacific Ocean, which caused dissatisfaction of the Japanese. Then, in the 40th, EMNIP ban on the supply of metalworking machines, airplanes, aircraft fuel burners, and then oil.
            And then - yes, the note of Hell, i.e. ultimatum. Although I read that the last straw was the oil embargo, the Yapis had plans to attack in October, but Hirohito fundamentally intervened, because did not want war.
            Thank you for Note Hal, did not know the name or contents in details hi
            4) The unthinkable is Churchill’s insanity, or rather, his attempts to follow the traditional WB policy - to extinguish any strong European by gathering a coalition. The states simply sent him, and their own military and politicians explained that no one would fight against yesterday’s ally.
  5. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 7 December 2018 18: 49
    +2
    An interesting, perhaps, memorial ... It is a pity that I will not visit it.
    1. san4es
      san4es 7 December 2018 22: 43
      +2
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      An interesting memorial, probably ...


      .. It’s a pity that I will not visit him.

      ... how to know ..
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 7 December 2018 22: 45
        +1
        I agree .... When I watched the dock film about Przemysl, the first city liberated by the Red Army. And in May, this city was in it passing!))))
  6. Restless
    Restless 7 December 2018 19: 13
    0
    But from this trap, the United States previously withdrawn all of its most expensive aircraft carriers .. (they knew about the raid.) Everything was beautiful ..
    They all knew and sacrificed these ships ... But then, Japan is still kept in ticks of the military and financial ..
    1. rayruav
      rayruav 7 December 2018 20: 22
      0
      they all knew (like us) don't talk bullshit
      1. Restless
        Restless 7 December 2018 21: 48
        +2
        Quote: rayruav
        they all knew (like us) don't talk bullshit

        I often write nonsense ... Read love books! hi
    2. bone1
      bone1 8 December 2018 19: 58
      0
      AB delivered planes to island bases, well, not on battleships, but they had to be transported.
  7. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 7 December 2018 19: 58
    -1
    I read the comments and was amazed. Either barbarians, or half-wits, or even the devil knows what. An ally must be respected. And their victims must be respected. If it weren’t for the USA, Japan would hit us in the back. And then it is not known how everything would go. Only fools can not understand this. The United States almost single-handedly gouged the Japs. Or do you also care about the killed our soldiers and the officer and at Khalkhin-Gol in 1945?
    1. GibSoN
      GibSoN 7 December 2018 20: 10
      +2
      I read the comments and was amazed.
      This is "normal" .. It is enough just to look at at least the number of comments under certain topics .. Statistics, although a muddy science, but still ... VO is no longer a cake.
    2. Gray brother
      Gray brother 7 December 2018 20: 14
      -2
      Quote: Old Fuck
      An ally must be respected.

      They do not respect us, we reciprocate.
    3. Restless
      Restless 7 December 2018 20: 43
      +3
      Quote: Old Fuck
      The United States almost single-handedly gouged the Japs. Or do you also care about the killed our soldiers and the officer and at Khalkhin-Gol in 1945?

      Oh how it all started here ...
      I’ll be silent, but anger remained on such a terrible opinion in history .. damn it .. soldier
      Quote: Old Horseradish
      I read the comments and was amazed. Either barbarians, or half-wits, or even the devil knows what. An ally must be respected.

      Do we have to stand on the Mosles? Then I can smell how our brother is inserted into the brain and soul ... well, well
      We, the Soviet troops, took the quantum of UR for a couple of months, soaked in the mountainous areas .. And your horseradish, stupidly bombed and removed the first cream. after OUR capture of Berlin and the defeat of the Kwantung Army !!!
      The Japanese will still remember everything for your "brother" .. and the Russians will provide you with information ..!
      Paddles, you are still American litter liberal ... soldier
    4. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 7 December 2018 21: 13
      -1
      "If it were not for the United States," then Japan with a high degree of probability would not have been considered a participant in World War II at all. Simply because the Yapas happily ate (and literally including) the Chinese and spat on everything else.
    5. faterdom
      faterdom 7 December 2018 21: 58
      +4
      This is not an ally now. This is the enemy. Which, by the way, does not respect us at all, but wants to plunge into a semi-animal state. Particularly, through his liberal propagandists, he is trying to equate the Soviet Union with fascist Germany in the brains of the average man.
    6. bone1
      bone1 8 December 2018 18: 04
      0
      And how many Yankees had those victims? —They respect our victims?
  8. rayruav
    rayruav 7 December 2018 20: 19
    +2
    gave japa am luli, the beautiful first carrier-based operation, which has become a classic, the conclusion: we must prepare in advance, be ready
    1. Nehist
      Nehist 8 December 2018 00: 40
      +1
      I will say more! In Japan, the date of the attack on Pearl Harbor is a national holiday as the emperor’s birthday (the Tsushima battle, by the way, too). And the Japanese do not recognize the results of WWII
      1. KTM
        KTM 8 December 2018 10: 56
        -1
        In which part do they not recognize the WWII results? Maybe they still consider themselves at war with the USA?
    2. KTM
      KTM 8 December 2018 10: 55
      0
      How is it that they gave Lule, and in the end, the case ended in the defeat of Japan and its occupation by the Americans?
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 8 December 2018 11: 02
        +1
        That you ask the Japanese question. For them, defeat in the war is not something extraordinary. But only temporary production! And I dare you to assure the revanchist moods they are very popular
        1. KTM
          KTM 8 December 2018 11: 29
          -1
          One can’t even hear anything about any revenge-seeking attitudes towards the Americans, and the Americans both had their bases in Japan and, in fact, the USA, as of today, is Japan’s closest ally.
  9. Antares
    Antares 7 December 2018 20: 54
    +4
    Day of courage and shame ... December 7th ...
    Americans have the same pain as ours on June 22nd. Only in concentrated form (PX base) and the loss of almost the entire fleet in the parking lot. Yes, and aviation ... and other equipment ..
    Respect and honor to those who survived, who showed courage, perishing, saving, and simply to the victims of the war ...
    After Pearl Harbor, the Americans could not move away for a long time ...
    By the way, the Americans are very similar in this to us (the bombing of Berlin after the German attack on the USSR is similar to the Dullittle raid) failures during the first years in the MOT are very reminiscent of our 41-42 ... Then, having expanded the flywheel of the country's potential and the quality of the population, they began to win.
  10. konstantin68
    konstantin68 7 December 2018 21: 49
    +2
    Phantasmagoria. Some on the other dropped an atomic charge, friends forever now! Others were just one nation, now enemies! sad
    1. milton
      milton 9 December 2018 01: 08
      0
      Quote: konstantin68
      Phantasmagoria. Some on the other dropped an atomic charge, friends forever now! Others were just one nation, now enemies! sad

      if you do not know then the former "incredible friends", and now quite probable enemies, so brainwashed Yap youth that they think that it was the USSR that bombed them with nuclear weapons fool
      1. konstantin68
        konstantin68 9 December 2018 08: 48
        0
        Quote: milton
        what do they think

        I don't care what they think, I look at what they do. For those who do not know: happen that in the Pacific region, Americans will rely on Japanese bases, and it does not matter what the generation with brainwashed thinks.
  11. faterdom
    faterdom 7 December 2018 21: 54
    -1
    We need to send a greeting card to Abe. Like, banzai, congratulations, and all that ... We won’t serve the Kuril Islands, but Pearl Harbor, if you take it, we will recognize it!
    1. asar
      asar 8 December 2018 01: 27
      -1
      It'll be cool! We will appreciate it!
  12. Catfish
    Catfish 7 December 2018 22: 19
    +6
    Quote: taiga2018
    all the same, the Japanese performed a brilliant operation then ...


    And what was there that was brilliant? The main goal of the raid, the destruction of aircraft carriers, was not achieved. The newest Indianapolis-class heavy cruisers were not there either. From the core of the fleet there remained old battleships, which after repairs did not take ANY part in the actions of aircraft carrier operational formations, i.e. in the decisive battles at the Pacific Theater. And all their activity was reduced to processing the main caliber of the coastal sectors of the Japanese defense before the landing of the American marines. Or maybe someone considers the sinking of the Utah self-propelled target and several auxiliary ships an exceptional success?
    Airfields were not destroyed, infrastructure, fuel and lubricants depots practically did not suffer. It is impossible to speak about attempts to attack "dwarf" submarines without tears. So where is the success, as you put it, of the "brilliant operation" of the Japanese? They hit it on the sly, shit a little and made legs. Now compare that with the American answer, was it worth it? As, however, and Hitler to us.

    Quote: Finches
    The U.S. leadership was well aware of the impending aggression at its base,


    Mr. Zyablitsov, making such statements, it is necessary to have clear documentary evidence of his innocence. It is pointless to argue with groundless allegations. Be so kind as to publish documents confirming your words, or give a link, only, please, not to the address of the OBS (one woman said). hi
    I am very surprised by the categorical nature of such statements, moreover, absolutely categorically not supported by anything.

    Probably, you should not equate all kinds of "politicians" with ordinary American sailors, soldiers and officers who, like our fathers, did not spare their lives for the sake of victory over a common enemy in a monstrous world war.

    And, by the way, the Americans turned their neck to Japan long before Hiroshima, and after Midway their resistance was more like agony.
    Yes, but the samurai asked for Hiroshima exclusively themselves.

    Eternal memory to the fallen soldiers of all allied armies, and to long surviving veterans. I’m talking about our fellow countrymen. soldier
    1. asar
      asar 8 December 2018 00: 45
      -2
      I agree with the opinion of Eugene:
      Quote: Finches
      The U.S. leadership was well aware of the impending aggression at its base,
      The United States desperately needed to get into World War II, when Japan began to seize "vital" territories in Southeast Asia!
      Yes it did! And it didn’t prevent it!
      I knew the codes, I knew that the Yap squadron went into the ocean!
      all according to the Amer. scenario - think, drowned!
      But what dividends!
    2. asar
      asar 8 December 2018 01: 24
      -2
      Good to carry nonsense! The Americans wanted to get into WWII, got in!
      And everything else is just like "grandmothers at the entrance"!
    3. bone1
      bone1 8 December 2018 18: 07
      0
      As far as I knew, it was not proven, but the attack on Malaya began before the attack on PX and PL, the Yankees drowned before the raid.
    4. milton
      milton 9 December 2018 01: 15
      0
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Quote: taiga2018
      all the same, the Japanese performed a brilliant operation then ...


      And what was there that was brilliant? The main goal of the raid, the destruction of aircraft carriers, was not achieved. The newest Indianapolis-class heavy cruisers were not there either. From the core of the fleet there remained old battleships, which after repairs did not take ANY part in the actions of aircraft carrier operational formations, i.e. in the decisive battles at the Pacific Theater. And all their activity was reduced to processing the main caliber of the coastal sectors of the Japanese defense before the landing of the American marines. Or maybe someone considers the sinking of the Utah self-propelled target and several auxiliary ships an exceptional success?
      Airfields were not destroyed, infrastructure, fuel and lubricants depots practically did not suffer. It is impossible to speak about attempts to attack "dwarf" submarines without tears. So where is the success, as you put it, of the "brilliant operation" of the Japanese? They hit it on the sly, shit a little and made legs. Now compare that with the American answer, was it worth it? As, however, and Hitler to us.

      Quote: Finches
      The U.S. leadership was well aware of the impending aggression at its base,


      Mr. Zyablitsov, making such statements, it is necessary to have clear documentary evidence of his innocence. It is pointless to argue with groundless allegations. Be so kind as to publish documents confirming your words, or give a link, only, please, not to the address of the OBS (one woman said). hi
      I am very surprised by the categorical nature of such statements, moreover, absolutely categorically not supported by anything.

      Probably, you should not equate all kinds of "politicians" with ordinary American sailors, soldiers and officers who, like our fathers, did not spare their lives for the sake of victory over a common enemy in a monstrous world war.

      And, by the way, the Americans turned their neck to Japan long before Hiroshima, and after Midway their resistance was more like agony.
      Yes, but the samurai asked for Hiroshima exclusively themselves.

      Eternal memory to the fallen soldiers of all allied armies, and to long surviving veterans. I’m talking about our fellow countrymen. soldier

      Yapi surrendered after the USSR defeated the Manchu army. Yapy and after sea defeats were going to defend the islands to the last soldier. By the way, the mattresses counted the number of people who died during the storming of the Japanese Islands and the inspiration for the storm went somewhere, tearfully asked Stalin to join the war with the Yapes. And Americans also asked Stalin not to land in Hokkaido, purely by friendship. But after the defeat of the group in China, they had nothing to hope for and they surrendered, and not according to the Amer’s version, that they were afraid of nuclear weapons hi
    5. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 10 December 2018 13: 20
      0
      Quote: Sea Cat
      The main purpose of the raid - the destruction of aircraft carriers, was not achieved.

      The main purpose of the PX attack was to eliminate the threat posed by the US Pacific Fleet for IJA and IJN operations in the main area - in SEA and the Philippines. This goal was fully achieved ... from a Japanese point of view.
      The funny thing is that the threat from the US Pacific Fleet was extremely exaggerated by the Japanese. In fact, all plans for a war with Japan provided for an operational pause to concentrate the forces of the fleet and landing before frog jumping across the atolls and luring the Japanese fleet into a general engagement. During this time, all operations of the Pacific Fleet would have been limited to AB strikes at the least protected points of Japanese defenses (in the "hit and run" style) and the conduct of unlimited submarine warfare. Given the state of the Marine Corps in 1941, this concentration period would have lasted at least a year.
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Airfields were not destroyed, infrastructure, fuel and lubricant depots were practically unaffected.

      So Kido Butai is not TF.38 / 58. To work on all of the above, a second raid is needed. On target with live air defense and landing at dusk / night. Is it worth putting the main operation in Southeast Asia for the sake of an auxiliary strike? Especially taking into account the fact that the Japanese will not be able to quickly make up for losses - there is practically no reserve (all trained pilots have been gathered on Kido Butai), and the pace of replenishment preparation has still remained pre-war.
  13. asar
    asar 8 December 2018 00: 09
    -2
    There was a need for a "reason" for the US entry into TMV!
    Somewhere blood, torn limbs, heads ...
    And somewhere "dudes" sit at the computers and consider, damn it, their profits!
    Why did the computers?! Then there seemed to be no computers either!
    Because nothing has changed, maybe just a little bit!
  14. asar
    asar 8 December 2018 00: 31
    -2
    amery: either we are above the whole world or no one!
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    1. asar
      asar 8 December 2018 01: 14
      -1
      IN! What nonsense!
      You can ban, if you want!
      But why can't I call Amer .om ?!
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        1. asar
          asar 8 December 2018 01: 20
          -1
          You can when you want!
    3. tracer
      tracer 10 December 2018 19: 37
      0
      They won’t pay out insurance ... it's just that it's dead to the drum. They are afraid of injuries and injuries.
  16. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 9 December 2018 08: 21
    0
    Here is such a sacrifice made on the altar of the war, which was infinitely necessary for the United States.
    What does it mean 1177 souls compared with the acquisition of half the world? Dust! For whom?
    "There is such a party!"
    Gentlemen financiers such as Baruch, who ruled Woodrow Wilson personally (created by the Federal Reserve in 1913) and through "Colonel House" (the klikuh of the Baruch doll) with the draft Treaty of Versailles and the creation of the League of Nations, which guaranteed the beginning of World War II in 20 years.
    So Pearl Harbor is a gigantic provocation organized by Baruch through Roosevelt and Stalin through Richard Sorge (the withdrawal of Japan from the USSR to the USA). The wolves are safe and the sheep are full.
    1. tracer
      tracer 10 December 2018 19: 34
      0
      I hope he didn’t personally invoke this for you?
  17. Catfish
    Catfish 9 December 2018 23: 11
    0
    Quote: pafegosoff
    .
    So Pearl Harbor is a gigantic provocation organized by Baruch through Roosevelt and Stalin through Richard Sorge (the withdrawal of Japan from the USSR to the USA) ..


    An interesting note ... I mean about "Stalin through Sorge". Details please. If there are any. About Sorge and Stalin, of course, about the baruchs, I beg you, no need, on the ears, sorry, imposed. hi