Expert: from the Russian ShAK-12 not even save the wall

The newest version of the heavy large-caliber SHAK-12 assault rifle is being supplied to the Russian special forces, writes in its article for The National Interest American expert Mark Episkopos.

According to him, the leadership of the FSB was thinking about creating a new, more efficient rifle weapons after the terrorist attacks in Beslan and the Moscow theater on Dubrovka.

The fact is that under the influence of adrenaline and some drugs, the criminal suppresses pain from gunshot wounds. In such cases, they, even while dying, may continue their actions for some time. Often these few “extra” seconds become fatal for hostages or other civilians if the action is carried out in the condition of the city, the author explains.

The 12,7x55 mm assault rifle (assault rifle) of the SHAK-12 melee can solve this problem: ammunition weighing 33 grams instantly neutralizes a terrorist, even if he is behind a wall or in a bulletproof vest, writes Episkopos.

The effective range of their defeat is small - about 100 meters, which minimizes possible damage to civilians.

According to the expert, a total of 3 bullets was created for the machine: armor-piercing; for quiet shooting using a silencer (subsonic); Expansive lightweight aluminum bullets that provide a powerful stopping effect.

The machine is built according to the bullpup scheme. The large weight of the ammunition is partially compensated by the shops made of plastic.

The weight of the machine is 5,2 kg (for comparison, the mass of the AK-12 is 3,3 kg).

Russian machines have long been proven on the international market as reliable and easy-to-use weapons that meet modern requirements. ShAK-12, launched in 2017, is an ideal weapon for conducting antiterrorist and other military operations in populated areas, inside buildings and structures, where the top priority is to ensure maximum safety for the civilian population,

concludes the author.

Comments

[MoJloT]

Volumes have already been written, kilometers of film about + and - SHAK-12 have been shot.

[vkl.47]

Sorry about the rsh-12 revolver just scored. It's a shame.

[Krasnodar]

Hand tear off. The vertebrae will vomit. Cool thing, but heavy.

[StudentVK]

Well maybe) We must pump up))))))

[Krasnodar]

It is possible))) In addition, with such practice, already drying, at least

[StudentVK]

Wow) It’s good that I didn’t overtake the Pecheneg by weight)))) And if without jokes, then the automation for its tasks is simply bombing.

[artifact]

Quote: Krasnodar

Hand tear off. The vertebrae will vomit. Cool thing, but heavy.

for such a caliber, severity is more likely a plus ...

[Krasnodar]

When you run to the 9th floor without an elevator, I don’t think so.

[artifact]

Quote: Krasnodar

When you run to the 9th floor without an elevator, I don’t think so.

in the sense of a plus when shooting, the recoil is partially offset by the severity of the weapon, and yes, to carry this, you need to be not from dystrophics

[Hammerlock]

need to be not from dystrophics

Well, there are no dystrophics there

[Ural cossack]

Ask the machine gunners. I wouldn’t change my PCMN during the service.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Krasnodar

Cool thing, but heavy.

[Yodzakura]

x23m for special forces the return is even stronger and there is nothing

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Krasnodar

Hand tear off. The vertebrae will vomit. Cool thing

Not that word...

lightweight aluminum bullets of expansive action, providing a powerful stopping effect.

Caliber 12,7 ... "Stopping" ... so neutral.

[Siberia 9444]

PPSh is not easier! Gone all the warrior

[Vadim851]

If there is an SC-130 cartridge, of which I am sure, then the return is quite bearable, the muzzle energy is 3,5 kJ approximately.

[Krasnodar]

He’s a bull dad, probably in order to reduce returns

[StudentVK]

Well, for the convenience of controlling the aiming line, the convenience of manipulation in confined spaces.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Krasnodar

It's the same bull dadprobably in order to reduce returns

And I thought that in order to reduce the length of the weapon ...

[Krasnodar]

Those who fired from Tavor said the return was minor. One familiar legionnaire about Famas said the same thing. Well, the length of the weapon itself - for a built-up area a toy.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Krasnodar

Those who fired from Tavor said the return was minor. One familiar legionnaire about Famas said the same thing. Well, the length of the weapon itself - for a built-up area a toy

I can't argue with the "specialists" ...

[Krasnodar]

I didn’t shoot with bull dad. M-16, old AK 7.62, M-14, Galil, Glilon 5.56, varieties of ultrasound and pistols. I did not serve in special forces
Ah, well, a Belgian Mage fired with a machine gun.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Krasnodar

I didn’t shoot with bull dad

I also did not try to shoot from a machine gun according to a similar scheme, so I won’t say anything sensible about the return ...

[Krasnodar]

Those who shot (Tavor has been in service with Israel for more than 10 years) say that the return is minor. The guy who shot from Famas (served in the legion) says the same thing (compared to the “long” M-16, whose recoil is also not very strong).

[igorka357]

You are both wrong, Bull Dad to push the barrel into a short weapon more authentically ..))))

[Tank hard]

Quote: igorka357

You are both wrongBull-pop in order to push a barrel into a short weapon more authentic ..)))

That is, by writing this phrase, you are claiming that I am wrong that the "bullpup" scheme was invented to reduce the size (namely the length) of the weapon, while maintaining its other characteristics ?!

[igorka357]

Yes, I affirm, since a shortened weapon was first invented, it turned out that the characteristics fell, and then they came up with bullpups to improve the characteristics of a shortened weapon! Bullpup was not originally invented to shorten the weapons, which is still not clear to you! You are wrong!

[Tank hard]

Quote: igorka357

Yes, I affirm

Quote: igorka357

You are not right!

Quote: igorka357

that you still do not understand!

With you everything is clear to me! Stay with your opinion. We have freedom of choice. You can also "fix" Wikipedia, it requires an editor.[media=https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D1%83%D0%BB%D0%BB-%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BF]
And here is the opinion:

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[ANCIENT]

the explosive bullet is not enough - so that terrorists last time in their lives could spread the remains of their brain around themselves.

[Krasnodar]

There, without a bursting bullet, everything will be ok, ok and based You take into account the caliber

[artifact]

Quote: ANCIENT

the explosive bullet is not enough - so that terrorists last time in their lives could spread the remains of their brain around themselves.

then an umbrella is needed in the weapon kit ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: ANCIENT

the explosive bullet is not enough - so that terrorists last time in their lives could spread the remains of their brain around themselves.

You still need to get into the brains.

[engineer74]

The next version, some SHAK-40, will be under ammunition from the AGS ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: engineer74

The next version, some SHAK-40, will be under ammunition from the AGS ...

As in that joke - "Dobrynya, sprinkle it with chalk and give me my mace."

[Chicha squad]

This machine is designed to instantly terminate human activity.

[Doliva63]

Purely "police" unit.

[Krasnodar]

Antiterror, built-up area.

[Charik]

and where is the cartoon?

[Warrior2015]

In the official message given in the topic, which was already recently at the VO, about this wonderful unit, it has already been announced that it is intended to defeat terrorists using heavy and especially heavy armor. And then the question has already been asked, and we will ask again - is there really a case of terrorists using heavy bronikov in the Russian Federation? I personally do not remember this, first of all.

Secondly, why such a caliber? How can you shoot through a wall during a hostage rescue operation? and if there is a hostage next to the terrorists, but you don’t see him - his life is like, damn it?

And the third question - how would the presence of these weapons help in the storming of the school in Beslan? what?!?

In my opinion, a redundant toy in its caliber, another project for getting money, no more, and too heavy.

Just as a fact - it seems like the MTR in Syria did not complain about any lack of destructive power of conventional calibers against the "barmaley", although they are often on adrenaline and on drugs ... With a skillful approach, there is always enough, but here such a caliber, yes also declare that the type of lethal range is not more than 100 meters? What is it like ?

[Mih1974]

Funny to read you .Here I am a civilian and I don’t understand anything either in weapons or in the MTR, but even I understand the following 1) It’s better to have what you might need than not to have , 2) if this was developed, then it was Ordered and Described just like that, for it would hardly have been such a perversion to fool for just 3) there was a terrible moment in Beslan when the finished chopped scum sat behind the bricks over the exit and shot from the machine gun running children and alpha , it was just there that this weapon was not interchangeable - so that it would be torn to pieces from one of two hits in a pile of brick behind which it was hiding. And note this only offhand, how much more reason you can calmly pick up against you)).

[Warrior2015]

Judging by the minuses, as usual, many people don't like truthful and honest questions. Well, there is a good Russian proverb - "the truth - it hurts your eyes."

Quote: Mih1974

1) is better to have what you need - than not to have

What a rich man you are. Don't you know the expression “the economy should be economical,” even the military one?

Quote: Mih1974

2) if this was developed, then - it was Ordered and Described in that way, for such a perversion would hardly have been fostered

Therefore, I also interpreted the reasons, because I do not understand.

Quote: Mih1974

just in Beslan there was a terrible moment, when the grounded crushed scum sat down behind the bricks over the exit and shot running children and Alpha with a machine gun, that’s just there this weapon was not replaceable

The illiterate work of snipers - that's what it was, and there were no ShAKs there.

Quote: Mih1974

And note this only offhand, how much more reason you can on the opposite of you dial)).

Tezka, relax, we are not on the battlefield, calmer, safer ... Simple questions - simple answers, no more.

[Mih1974]

You are so smart, who told you that? Who are you to judge those who died covering their bodies with children in Beslan, who are you to decide what is "competently, what is not competently"?
What for?" - since the specialists ordered it, it means that they just lack such (albeit heavy) power during the assault !! You that vidosiki every situation when the specialists needed to show just such a weapon, maybe you yourself guess that once they asked for it and did it (with the not cheap Wishlist you mentioned), then it is enough for us who were not involved to know what was needed. Everything is so, and the sphere is not public and the questions of WHY and Why are asked only by those who are admitted, and the interest of the rest - causes "close attention" "for what purpose are you interested?"

[igorka357]

Are you a kind of involved, come on "vidosik", where the assault on the building without freeing the hostages, and this machine gun will be more effective than a pair of grenades at the door, or RPO in the window? Only without snot, and chewing .. "vidosiki" as you put it! And yes , Michael did not seem to judge those guys who died saving poor children, but our snipers, whose mother was there, don't worry! Yes, and probably not even judged them, but their education and training!

[Warrior2015]

Quote: Mih1974

You are so smart, who told you that? Who are you to judge those who died covering their bodies with children in Beslan, who are you to decide what is "competently, what is not competently"?

There is no need to distort - I have never condemned! But ... the heroism of some - always covers the mistakes and shortcomings (including in the preparation of the assault) of others. And do you know what is the main problem in Beslan? IN GENERAL WHY they allowed such an armed bandit group to form and let them pass, that's all. Thank God, now they seem to have learned how to work - so that the last "forest" rarely sit alone or in small groups in the woods and do not climb out.

Quote: Mih1974

What for?" - since the specialists ordered it, it means that they just lack such (albeit heavy) power during the assault !! Do you need to watch every situation when the specialists needed to show such a weapon,

You know, why, when, for example, ambulance doctors say - we need such a number of vehicles equipped with such equipment - they are sent?

Quote: Mih1974

Everything is so, and the sphere is not public and the questions of WHY and Why are asked only by those who are admitted, and the interest of the rest - causes "close attention" "for what purpose are you interested?"

As a citizen of my country and a taxpayer, and just a person who does not give a damn about what is happening in my homeland, I participate in the consideration of the topic put forward for public discussion. This is normal, shows a free, healthy society. Abnormal - as was the case with the USSR - secrecy for every insignificant thing.

[Demon_is_ada]

Aha You can also make a passage in the wall in a couple of seconds without noise and dust, and without accidentally killing anyone ... as it usually happens ... he shot a criminal - he broke through it, a wall and a couple of people who were completely irrelevant ... The machine is purely specific for building and it is an assault, you will not use it anywhere else ...

[igorka357]

It is for a loud and arrogant assault, with a psychological effect, and a building without civilians! But forgive me then it’s better to fuck this building from the tank!

[igorka357]

Ratnik is absolutely right, 5,45 and 7,62 are sufficient for any situation, the machine gunner in Beslan fired just from behind the hostages, there was no point in wetting him with such a half-gun, you put hostages, and if, as if it is written that 100 meters, then this is generally nonsense and not a barrel, rather it is a typo of course! You will not collect any arguments, in Beslan so many specialists died precisely because the terrorists of the creature covered themselves with children, and the specialists had to go into close fire contact. When the militants were left without hostages , then they wouldn't even remember this half-gun, because it’s stupid in your own words “it’s better to have a tank at hand” which was done in Beslan! Look how the special vehicles are going in the Caucasus now, a couple of offers to surrender, and that's it, bang bang ..the house was built! This used to be taken alive, suffered losses .. now this weapon is "half-finished" is absolutely unnecessary! Shoot through the walls, damn it, it is better to shoot through the opening, and a bumblebee out the window, and if there are hostages then the machine is fucking will not work there!

[Kerensky]

Under this cartridge, we also have a revolver.

[APASUS]

Good machine

[16112014nk]

Quote: Krasnodar

When you run to the 9th floor without an elevator, I don’t think so.

The specialist on the 9th floor is not even out of breath. As a young man, I fled to the argument on the 12th floor, and my friends rode the elevator. Arrived at the same time.

[Krasnodar]

Surely they ran light. Most likely, you are an athlete.

[igorka357]

C'mon, it depends on the person’s training, his age and personal health! If the commando is over forty, and he is in full combat, and even with that ... sorry with an assault rifle, then I’m XNUMX% sure that my son isn’t having so far no combat training will overtake him by a factor of two! I, as a young man, jumped from a fourth floor from a fourth floor into a pile of wet sand, but now I would never ...)))

[Sarcasm]

Stupid scribble .. What walls does it pierce? From drywall? Even 12.7 × 108 not every wall will be pierced with energy of a bullet of 17000 joules, and not that 12.7 × 55 with its 2500j. Essentially + - an automatic shotgun with good bullets.

[brdm]

I absolutely agree with you. Modified automatic "shotgun". The cartridge and the mechanism of the machine have been improved, to the maximum exclusion of misfires and wedges. The maximum recoil when firing was removed to increase accuracy. Maybe someone like this will come in handy. Well, about the walls is just ridiculous.

[kdakda]

A monster, with such a shot and three can carry.

[Sands Careers General]

If a bullet from this monster hits a carcass, a person is guaranteed a corpse. Such KK cartridges are not a joke.

[Lara Croft]

The weight of the machine is 5,2 kg (for comparison, the mass of the AK-12 is 3,3 kg).

Heavy however. Heavier RPK

Technical characteristics of the RPK light machine gun:
Patron - 7,62x39;
Machine gun weight without magazine 4,8 kg

https://topwar.ru/16817-new-ruchnoy-pulemet-rpk.html
Those who ran a lot in the army know the price of every kilogram ...

[serge siberian]

If the order came from specialists, then it is in demand. Yes, this machine is not easy and not cheap, but is needed for specialists. And grenades out the window, this will go to terrorists and hostages, do not forget about this effect, please.