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In the US, explained why you can no longer rely on the F-22

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An analysis of the capabilities of the Raptor and its comparison with other modern machines showed that the aircraft quickly becomes obsolete in many ways and can no longer provide air the fleet US air superiority, writes the publication Military Watch Magazine.




The article notes that the Raptor avionics is outdated before it was put into service in the 2005 year. In total, the aircraft was developed 24 year. By the beginning of mass production, the fighter’s computer architecture was hopelessly outdated. This caused problems when upgrading the F-22, which resulted in the abandonment of the new AIM-120D and AIM-9X missiles of the air-to-air class.

Now the armament of the Raptor is inferior to the Russian and Chinese aircraft. Even the old Soviet P-27 missiles exceed the range of American AIM-120C fighters, the author notes.

At the same time, the Russian Su-57 and the Chinese J-20 are not constrained by such restrictions. Airplanes are built on the basis of gliders, which are likely to be relevant for more than one decade, their equipment and weapons meet modern requirements. This gives Russian and Chinese engineers a lot more opportunities to upgrade their fighters, the material says.

According to the publication, in the long term, “Raptor” will not be able to provide superiority in the air, not only because of the “stuffing”, but also because of the quantitative factor: 187 units were produced in total (production was minimized in 2011 year). It is expected that the Su-57 and J-20 will be much more massive machines.

We should not forget about the foreign policy ambitions of the Pentagon. According to the strategy for 2018 year, the main "rivals" of the United States are the Russian Federation, the People's Republic of China, Iran and the DPRK. In this regard, the Americans have to keep some of their Raptors close to these countries. In the event of a conflict, they will be at a disadvantage, since Russian and Chinese aircraft in full force will be thrown to protect their territories.

In light of recent events, it is very important that the United States devotes considerable attention to the development of a sixth generation heavy fighter, the paper concludes.
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  1. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 5 December 2018 15: 09
    +19
    Somehow abruptly, the United States decided to write off the F-22 ... it was constantly praised and said that there were no equal, but now everything suddenly changed. Five years later, they recognize the F-35 project as completely failed ....
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 5 December 2018 15: 13
      +29
      Quote: Alexey-74
      Somehow abruptly, the United States decided to write off the F-22 ... it was constantly praised and said that there were no equal, but now everything suddenly changed. Five years later, they recognize the F-35 project as completely failed ....

      Yes, here the whole article is a cry about the need for more money for the research and development of the sixth generation. Swam, we know. wink
      1. ANCIENT
        ANCIENT 5 December 2018 15: 20
        +3
        Aron, before you change your mind, take them urgently to yourself lol lol
        1. ALEXXX1983
          ALEXXX1983 5 December 2018 16: 21
          +7
          So it’s not the US authorities who say it, but the twin brother NI, a very authoritative publication of the Military Watch Magazine, the existence of which, however, few have heard of (except for reading VO, where this nonsense is often published).

          According to the publication, in the long term, “Raptor” will not be able to provide superiority in the air, not only because of the “stuffing”, but also because of the quantitative factor: 187 units were produced in total (production was minimized in 2011 year). It is expected that the Su-57 and J-20 will be much more massive machines.

          Killed. The J-20 is most likely yes (though I don’t think that it’s really the fifth generation), but the Su-57 is very massive, it’s not a miserable 187 aircraft, but as many 12!
          1. My doctor
            My doctor 5 December 2018 18: 10
            +2
            Quote: ALEXXX1983
            it's not a miserable 187 aircraft, but as many as 12!

            Tin 12! this is 12 in the factorial, that is, 479001600 do not believe it, so click in the calculator yourself "!" after the number laughing
          2. hydrox
            hydrox 5 December 2018 18: 44
            -4
            Quote: ALEXXX1983
            But the Su-57, well, very massive, it's not a miserable 187 aircraft, but as many as 12!

            I look, you are a strategist couch that you do not peck money chickens.
            Then what you should pay 0,5 trillion. rubles and get a hundred brand new Su-57s, play airplanes - or has Russia already decided all the problems with pensions, salaries, jobs, education and health ??
            1. the most important
              the most important 5 December 2018 19: 25
              +7
              Quote: hydrox
              I look, you are a strategist couch that you do not peck money chickens.
              Then what you should pay 0,5 trillion. rubles and get a hundred brand new Su-57s, play airplanes - or has Russia already decided all the problems with pensions, salaries, jobs, education and health ??

              First of all, in Russia the problems are not with pensions and education, first of all in Russia the problem is with rulers who are not able to rule and develop the economy. The whole world grows annually at 3% of GDP, developing countries at 5% of GDP, and only Russia with the best ruler in the world has been marking one place for 10 years, taking a step forward (1% of GDP) and stepping back two steps. Therefore, in the next 5-6 years, no breakthroughs are possible.
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 5 December 2018 21: 01
                -4
                Quote: the most important
                Therefore, in the next 5-6 years, no breakthroughs are possible.

                I agree.
                I just answered the sofa strategist, whom class social policy is not interested in, he does not even imagine what it is.
                But if you take a little swing, you may see a somewhat unusual option:
                1. Putin disperses the Duma and announces early Duma elections.
                2. Organizes the election of deputies from the ONF there and organizes a new governing body of the country - the State Council, which through the Duma legitimizes and leads.
                This is very brief, but I'm not at all sure that after such actions by Putin, Russia will rush to 20% of GDP - he has no personnel from the word "absolutely", just as there is no natural education from the word "absolutely none".
                We will see ...
                1. parma
                  parma 6 December 2018 06: 39
                  0
                  Quote: hydrox
                  I agree. I just answered the sofa strategist, who is not interested in class social policy, he does not even know what it is. But if you poke a little, then a somewhat unusual variant may appear: 1. Putin disperses the Duma and announces early Duma elections. 2. Organizes the election of deputies there from the ONF and organizes a new governing body of the country - the State Council, which through the Duma legitimizes and heads. This is very brief, but I am not at all sure that after such actions of Putin Russia will rush to 20% of GDP - he has no personnel from the word "absolutely", just as there is no natural formation from the word "absolutely none." Let's see ...

                  laughing .... okay, laughed, now point by point ....
                  Quote: hydrox
                  1. Putin disperses the Duma and announces early Duma elections.

                  What for? The current will accept everything he says, and so without hesitation
                  Quote: hydrox
                  2. Organizes the election of deputies from the ONF there and organizes a new governing body of the country - the State Council, which through the Duma legitimizes and leads.

                  Why ONF? His current Duma is much more comfortable, and all these ONF and other crap just to legalize pushing the children of the Duma ....
                  Quote: hydrox
                  This is very brief, but I'm not at all sure that after such actions by Putin, Russia will rush to 20% of GDP - he has no personnel from the word "absolutely", just as there is no natural education from the word "absolutely none".

                  Why do they need a 20% GDP growth? First of all, GDP growth is an investment of money, and not getting it (in the first couple), and not everyone has managed to get citizenship over the hill and to buy locks there for a couple of million euros .....
                  And if Putin really wants to remain in the nominally most important position, then it’s easier now to change the term and make 1 year, and his heir will increase the term to 20 years ....
                  1. hydrox
                    hydrox 6 December 2018 13: 49
                    0
                    Grow up ...
            2. ALEXXX1983
              ALEXXX1983 6 December 2018 00: 00
              0
              Quote: hydrox
              Quote: ALEXXX1983
              But the Su-57, well, very massive, it's not a miserable 187 aircraft, but as many as 12!

              I look, you are a strategist couch that you do not peck money chickens.
              Then what you should pay 0,5 trillion. rubles and get a hundred brand new Su-57s, play airplanes - or has Russia already decided all the problems with pensions, salaries, jobs, education and health ??

              Where did you manage to look for a strategy in my comments?
              They even complained that there were few Dryers. He only indicated that the article was completely delusional.
              It looks like you can find the missing cat in a dark room too.
          3. hydrox
            hydrox 5 December 2018 19: 32
            -1
            Quote: ALEXXX1983
            But the Su-57, well, very massive, it's not a miserable 187 aircraft, but as many as 12!

            In decent states, scientific and engineering schools are always PRESERVED, and these schools produce products that have the potential for modernization, the cost of which is ten times lower than the construction of a new device. The clever MO uses this (see T-72, Tu-22, S-60, etc.), the stupid MO has nothing to upgrade (see battleships ...). By the way, the modernized used T-72s are still being bought, which means that the military-industrial complex is making money on a charge for metallurgists.
            That is why, as long as the weapons sold remain equivalent to the products of other weapons companies, all our old stocks must be modernized and sold (while they are being taken!), And in no hurry to produce high-quality weapons that NO ONE HAS ANYTHING and will not soon forge military-industrial complex personnel on it - this is a worthy goal.
            This is much better than hiring 10 thousand workers for 2 years, rivet semi-annual products, and then throw 9,5 thousand out of the gate, leaving the remaining 500 people for another 3 years to fix the marriage of those who have already been fired ...
      2. credo
        credo 5 December 2018 15: 21
        +2
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Alexey-74
        Somehow abruptly, the United States decided to write off the F-22 ... it was constantly praised and said that there were no equal, but now everything suddenly changed. Five years later, they recognize the F-35 project as completely failed ....

        Yes, here the whole article is a cry about the need for more money for the research and development of the sixth generation. Swam, we know. wink

        What I "like" the generals of the military-industrial complex of any country in the world is that they themselves find problems, they themselves eliminate them (preferably for the state budget) and they themselves create them again, including through the "specialized and correct" media, journalists and specialists.
        So hold on to the American taxpayer's pocket until they are emptied into a new sixth generation "toy".
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 5 December 2018 18: 46
        0
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Yes, here the whole article is a cry about the need for more money for the research and development of the sixth generation.

        The USA with the fifth generation didn’t really understand. F-35 is a fifth generation airplane from the word at all. And they intend to make it massive. Promising projects at the prototype stage have not yet been announced by mattresses. They think to cross Lightning with the Raptor, but this is a big question of what happens.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 5 December 2018 19: 38
          -1
          Quote: NEXUS
          They think to cross Lightning with the Raptor, but this is a big question of what happens.

          By the time they do this, the Su-57 will receive both new weapons, and a new AFAR-radar 300 km away, and automatic anti-aircraft defense ...
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 6 December 2018 14: 21
          0
          Quote: NEXUS
          F-35 is not the fifth generation aircraft from the word at all.

          Justification?
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 6 December 2018 19: 33
            0
            Quote: Pimply
            Justification?

            Read above. You claim that it has an afterburner in excess of sound. Facts in the studio. The representative of Lockheed also said that he is, only he is enough for 240 km. And is this an afterburner supersonic?
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 6 December 2018 23: 34
              -1
              Quote: NEXUS
              And this is a formless supersonic?


              Well, actually, yes. It is in the conditional characteristics of 90-generation airplanes that were formed back in 5 and were supposed to be several tens of kilometers on the formless supersonic. This is 240.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 6 December 2018 23: 56
                0
                Quote: Pimply
                Here is 240.

                What the representative of Lockheed stated is not worth a penny. No F-35 has no afterburner supersonic.
                The role of the main critic was taken by Australia, which regularly finds more and more offensive, but at the same time close to reality words for the project. F-35 does not meet the requirements for the fifth generation fighter due to the impossibility of flying at supersonic speed without using afterburner, low thrust-to-weight ratio, relatively high ESR, as well as low survivability and maneuverability.
    2. Sergey39
      Sergey39 5 December 2018 15: 13
      +6
      F-35 is recognized as a failure after the money is recaptured by sales.
    3. Sarmat Sanych
      Sarmat Sanych 5 December 2018 16: 09
      +4
      So how can you rely on it, since 10% of all available F-22 crippled during the last hurricane in Floridalaughing?
      http://www.iarex.ru/news/60848.html



      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 5 December 2018 20: 52
        0
        All 17 pieces that fell under the hurricane were returned to service after about 2 weeks, and they flew to another base. There was an article about this. None are decommissioned.
        1. Sarmat Sanych
          Sarmat Sanych 5 December 2018 22: 44
          +2
          You are mistaken a warrior, there was an article that at least three are not subject to restoration. Plus the one that a month ago rolled on his belly, was written off.
          By the way, in a hurricane at that base, a dozen other planes were destroyed. Which is also logical.
          1. Avior
            Avior 6 December 2018 01: 03
            0
            MOSCOW, October 15 - RIA Novosti. The fifth generation F-22 Raptor fighters, based at Tyndall, Florida, were not seriously damaged by Hurricane Michael, Air Force Chief of Staff General David Goldfein said.
            ...
            The Chief of Staff, who visited the facility on an inspection trip, optimistically assessed the condition of the aircraft affected by the hurricane. "Visually, all of them (aircraft) are not damaged and look much better than one would expect, judging by the destruction of some structures," the general said on Facebook.

        2. MKPU-115
          MKPU-115 6 December 2018 09: 58
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          All 17 pieces that fell under the hurricane were returned to service after about 2 weeks, and they flew to another base. There was an article about this. None are decommissioned.

          Yes, debris from the iron structures of the hangar and debris was removed from F22, which fell on them from 20 meters high, and the debris and construction debris flew at a speed of 240 km / h, dusted with a cloth and they became better than new wink
          Who will tell you the truth in what condition they were after the hurricane? You need to think with your head and read between the lines.
    4. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 5 December 2018 22: 07
      +1
      Quote: Alexey-74
      constantly praised and said that there are no equal, and now suddenly everything has changed

      They simply actively clear the -35 road, with which they themselves and their allies, for whom, by the way, the price is increasing, are still choking ...
  2. BAI
    BAI 5 December 2018 15: 11
    -12
    The United States pays considerable attention to the development of a sixth generation heavy fighter, the publication concludes.

    Here. The 5th generation enters (stands) in service (s), the 6th is being developed, and in our case they are brought to mind in 4 ++++++++.
    1. Irokez
      Irokez 5 December 2018 15: 18
      +5
      Quote: BAI
      with us in 4 ++++++++ they bring to mind

      Niche 4 +++++++ will soon pass for F22 which is 5 --------.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 5 December 2018 15: 29
        -10
        Quote: Irokez
        Quote: BAI
        with us in 4 ++++++++ they bring to mind

        Niche 4 +++++++ will soon pass for F22 which is 5 --------.

        on paper ???
        1. Irokez
          Irokez 5 December 2018 17: 54
          +1
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          Quote: Irokez
          Quote: BAI
          with us in 4 ++++++++ they bring to mind

          Niche 4 +++++++ will soon pass for F22 which is 5 --------.

          on paper ???

          Not only.
          If you develop locators that see all the invisibility from afar, then where is your paper kite will be F-22 with its invisibility like F-35. And if on the SU-35 and MiG-35 they put new engines with an afterburner cruising higher than Mach 1, then in conjunction with the new locators that I indicated above, all F American designs will slide into 4 +++ or 5 --- that’s the same same. And you can push any kind of avionics anywhere, even on the MiG-21, even on a helicopter and there will be KA-50, KA-52 and MI-28 with 4 +++ helicopters, a matter of time. All these generations are purely arbitrary, in China, for example, they are 4 generations and there is nothing to be done.
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      1. Yura
        Yura 5 December 2018 15: 43
        0
        So you are judging by your post American
        Quote: Tarkhan
        propagandon

        и
        Quote: Tarkhan
        horticulture
    3. Tarhan
      Tarhan 5 December 2018 16: 04
      -3
      You violated the rules of the site, admitted in the comment:
      "Insult Author articles: it seems that propagandon did not accurately translate the article, "


      I wrote to you in a personal, but something went wrong there. I do not agree with the warning.
      First, what is the name of the author whom I offended? So it is not, there is no article under the name of the author.
      Secondly, by the word propaganda I meant the word PROMOTION. That is, censored propaganda did not accurately convey the meaning of the article.

      I do not ask to remove the warning, because you did not like my koment, not the word. The word you used as an excuse.

      I ask you to name the name of the author, whose signature is not under the article.

      Do not get away with the silence of the ruling boss.
      1. Tarhan
        Tarhan 5 December 2018 16: 12
        -8
        I repeat, from memory, my koment which you deleted.

        It seems that the "propagandon" (propaganda) did not fully translate the article, to the delight of the Urashniki.

        F-22 was and remains the best aircraft of our time. And the fact that avionics and weapons are becoming obsolete are the consequences of the rapid third scientific and technological revolution. There is a glider, and new avionics and weapons will be placed in it. Delov is what to squeak.

        And for a plane of 4 generations, at least ten pluses put it anyway, it will be only the fourth.

        (Maybe for the word Urashniki you will issue another warning to me)
        1. Tarhan
          Tarhan 5 December 2018 16: 38
          -8
          Something I had a cheerful suspicion.

          How do you understand the word "propagandon" other than propaganda?
          What do you mean by the word "propagandon" a rubber product? So this is a rubber product and it is not spelled that way. And in general, the law of jurisprudence and grammar - reads how to spell and is not interpreted otherwise.

          That is, you issued me a warning only from your awkward interpretation of my word. Yes, it characterizes you.
          1. Tarhan
            Tarhan 6 December 2018 07: 15
            -2
            Moderator so name the author of the article. I will explain everything to him and, if necessary, apologize.

            I went to the Military Watch Magazine - Military Observation Magazine, found this article under discussion. So under the article, NAME of the author is also not.

            So who did I offend?
        2. Sarmat Sanych
          Sarmat Sanych 5 December 2018 17: 02
          +1
          The hat called "f-22" has never been and could not be, in principle, the best aircraft. This piece of feces in the best times was not ready for 70% of the composition, and now even more so. Plus, taking into account the fact that during the last hurricane, 36 pieces could not fly at all, and half of them were mowed by the elements, then there was no hope on the Fu-22.
        3. MKPU-115
          MKPU-115 6 December 2018 11: 07
          0
          Quote: Tarkhan

          F-22 was and remains the best aircraft of our time.

          You will not praise yourself - no one will praise.
          When the F-22 converges in a real battle with the S-300 or the S-400 or the SU-35S, then it can be argued or not "about the best aircraft of our time."
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 5 December 2018 18: 50
      +1
      Quote: BAI
      Here. 5-th generation goes into service (and)

      Seriously? Tell me about the F-35, like the 5 generation aircraft, if it does not have cruising supersonic. Sluggishly, a representative of Lotchid said that he could type supersonic at cruising speed at a distance of 240 km. But for me, this is a lie.
      Raptor-NOT MANY PURPOSE was originally. I could not work on the ground. Now they are trying to make it of him, but for me the game is not worth the candle.
      And in the bottom line, what does the US have? 300 underfighter and 150 obsolete dinosaurs, of which half are at best combat ready.
      1. mihey
        mihey 6 December 2018 10: 37
        0
        Well, after all, the Merikatos themselves come up with what is most important for the 4th, 5th and 6th generations, and what is not. They made a kind of "invisible" and called it the 5th generation. And if this "invisibility" is visible to everyone and everyone, then what kind of 5th generation is it? It's high time to spit from a low (more likely to hit the target) bell tower for all these generations and just create something that will be more effective. Obsessed with the words "effective managers" because of a puddle, let them go through the forest.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 6 December 2018 14: 26
        0
        Quote: NEXUS
        Tell me about the F-35, as the generation 5 aircraft, if it does not have a cruising supersonic.


        Actually there is
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 6 December 2018 19: 31
          0
          Quote: Pimply
          Actually there is

          Seriously? With what a rehearse?
    5. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 5 December 2018 19: 47
      0
      Their 6th is likely to be 2 times worse than our 5th, but you can call at least 10th lol
  3. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 5 December 2018 15: 12
    +2
    soon on '' Avito '' and on '' Yule '' - '' I am selling a batch of used f22, wear is high, we will agree on the price, discount to wholesalers '' wassat
  4. AshiSolo
    AshiSolo 5 December 2018 15: 13
    +4
    Ahahaha! Yesterday, the best plane of the 5th generation, which can not be seen and shot down, which is not for sale to anyone. And today the money is over. The plane is sharply outdated from yesterday. To tears is simple :) This article is the first swallow. New ones will appear soon, and a little later a new project will begin, in parallel with the modernization of the F35.
    1. Tarhan
      Tarhan 6 December 2018 06: 41
      0
      The plane is sharply outdated from yesterday.

      Everything in life becomes obsolete. The most successful F-117 combat aircraft, thousands of sorties and just one shot down, was also outdated at the time and was replaced with the F-22. F-22 has been in operation since 2005 and of course, some part of avionics is becoming obsolete. It will be replaced.
      Su-27 in operation since 1985 and is still in use, is being modernized.
      1. AshiSolo
        AshiSolo 6 December 2018 08: 44
        +1
        Stop repeating the mantra about the most successful 117th. That's bullshit.
  5. Chicha squad
    Chicha squad 5 December 2018 15: 16
    -1
    Well, at least the F-22 is superior in its capabilities to the F-35. Some Russian aviation colonel said that the best aircraft in the world is the F-22 if the budget is not limited, if you count the money then the Su-35
  6. Vadim851
    Vadim851 5 December 2018 15: 16
    0
    So create a heavy fighter with two F-135s. Firstly, the engine is already ready, and there will be unification with the F-35, which will facilitate repair and give high flight characteristics. A kind of tandem similar to the F-16 and F-15.
    According to the Raptor avionics, there have long been complaints, it is really ancient, especially the onboard computer.
    1. dauria
      dauria 5 December 2018 18: 10
      -1
      A kind of tandem similar to the F-16 and F-15.


      It is easier for them to stick engines from the F-22 on it when upgrading the F-35. Moreover, the "Penguin" engine also has a heavily upgraded P&W F119-PW-100 from the F-22. Only they are "not on fire" yet. Not needed for themselves, but for sale F-35. Relatively cheap, snapped up, there are no competitors and are not expected - they will bake like pies.
      We had to think about it, like a single-engine blind with an engine from the Su-57. Yes late. Niche is busy for sale. The Americans have already turned this trick.
  7. dirk182
    dirk182 5 December 2018 15: 19
    0
    So they are already sawing the symbiote of the 22nd and 35th. At what stage things are unknown.
    1. Vadim851
      Vadim851 5 December 2018 16: 28
      0
      They are discussing with the Japanese the possibility of creating a hybrid; nothing has been heard about contracts so far.
  8. dirk182
    dirk182 5 December 2018 15: 19
    -2
    So they are already sawing the symbiote of the 22nd and 35th. At what stage things are unknown.
  9. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 5 December 2018 15: 23
    0
    how quickly priorities change in the usa, and how quickly yesterday even the best in fiere according to their version, the plane became an aviation leader. fly on piston planes then — they are by all means several times cheaper.
  10. Henderson
    Henderson 5 December 2018 15: 28
    0
    It is expected that the Su-57 and J-20 will be much more massive machines.

    Will the Su-57 be produced in quantities of more than 187 units? Oh, wei!
    1. kjhg
      kjhg 5 December 2018 15: 43
      -1
      If only by 2050 sad
    2. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 5 December 2018 20: 03
      0
      Maybe more, but by what year? At such a pace as now, even by the age of 35 you won’t be in time.
  11. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 5 December 2018 15: 35
    0
    It is expected that the Su-57 and J-20 will be much more massive machines.
    J-20 most likely, about the Su-57 we will not talk about sad
  12. Hypersound
    Hypersound 5 December 2018 15: 36
    +2
    Lol, if the best American aircraft is already uncompetitive, then what about the expensive f-35 dumps. The United States is really in a difficult situation, and the best part is that for them everything will only get worse
    1. Yngvar
      Yngvar 5 December 2018 16: 02
      +1
      Well, not really "everything will only get worse." Let's be objective already! A fairly large stock of f-15 and f-16, especially the "minke whales" realizing that the 22nd and 35th guano are going to continue the production of the modernized (the degree of modernization is being specified) 15 and 16 in the future for several more years ...
  13. da Vinci
    da Vinci 5 December 2018 15: 51
    +4
    Why write off? He is fighting so gloriously in Hollywood !!! wink
  14. Govorun
    Govorun 5 December 2018 15: 59
    0
    They invented threats for themselves and are trying to justify themselves, the whole world (in the literal sense of the word) has already turned against themselves, even those who seem to be friends and who will surrender the United States at any opportunity and go fool others.
    1. Runoway
      Runoway 5 December 2018 16: 11
      0
      Who is the whole world (RF, PRC, DPRK, IRAN, SAR)? Name at least one "friend" who has already passed and went to fawn or at least is going to (apparently one of those whom he listed)
      You have some kind of parallel universe, so far the Russian Federation has been betrayed by all who can, in order to "lick" the USA
  15. Pontiffsulyvahn
    Pontiffsulyvahn 5 December 2018 16: 07
    +6
    I wonder if the commentators who have already written off the F-22 understand that all this is just a separate opinion of one site? Moreover, they did not even give a link to him.
    No, well, really - someone on the Internet said "F-22 - that's it!" and on Russian forums it is already such a holiday, as if they were all shot down by SU-57.
    1. Fungus
      Fungus 5 December 2018 16: 58
      +1
      Hat their F-22.
  16. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 5 December 2018 16: 13
    +2
    Give me money, yes, more, more .. Swam, we know .. F-35-tested, F-22-failure ... Apparently there is nobody to steal .. If there is only a new Belenko ..
  17. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 5 December 2018 17: 42
    0
    Quote: Dzafdet
    Give me money, yes, more, more .. Swam, we know .. F-35-tested, F-22-failure ... Apparently there is nobody to steal .. If there is only a new Belenko ..

    Yes, in our management such half of the whole staff! All at the low start of the drape from the country.
    1. Turist1996
      Turist1996 5 December 2018 21: 37
      0
      I would change only one word in your comment - "management" to "grabber". Closer to life term ..
      But in general - I completely agree!
  18. stalki
    stalki 5 December 2018 17: 43
    0
    Begging for money again laughing nothing changes.
  19. rocket757
    rocket757 5 December 2018 18: 09
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    As the eldest uncle Sam said, they have a lot of money and they will do more and more .... for about eleven years, but the most, the most!
    Well, there is still a penguin, where without him.
  20. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 5 December 2018 18: 15
    +2
    all of them (Raptors) were produced 187 units. It is expected that the Su-57 and J-20 will be much more massive machines.

    Is S-57 massive? lol What year, 2057? Some nonsense is written ... Our plane is certainly better than the F-22, but the number! They will finish it more than one year, and then release it in a couple of pieces a year ...
    PS It is strange that offended minuses are thrown at a similar comment. They would take off the pink glasses already.
    1. Turist1996
      Turist1996 5 December 2018 21: 30
      +3
      Yes, in fact - we were in a favorable position: a little behind, but at arm's length. And we can observe the convulsive movements of the adversary, given all of his mistakes and schools.
      "Smart learns from other people's mistakes" - God forbid, that in this case it would be so!
  21. Rusticolus
    Rusticolus 5 December 2018 18: 53
    +3
    Amers have a new aircraft, so immediately the next generation. And after all, what is striking is that the characteristics of the aircraft from the top to the top fall into the characteristics of the new generation. Even if a new one comes out worse than the previous one.
  22. Turist1996
    Turist1996 5 December 2018 21: 23
    +1
    As a matter of fact, before quite a number of competent specialists said that advertising of this "iron", to put it mildly, does not correspond to its real capabilities.
    Yes, and the fact of the termination of its production in the 18th decade is quite eloquent in itself.
    Despite the fact that in the F-35 after that they swelled much more money.
    (About the same result - but it's not about him).
    So this is not "wow" news.

    It's amazing that the mattresses suddenly began to write about it.

    Although it is understandable: "we are lagging behind, give money for a new wunderwaffe - the sixth generation !!!" In short - give money!
  23. Avior
    Avior 6 December 2018 01: 06
    -1
    Raptor avionics is outdated even before its adoption

    Actually, the F-22 has the best airborne radar in the world today.
    After the update, Lot 5 km of range for a target of 450 m1 is not Khuhry-Muhra ....
  24. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 6 December 2018 07: 03
    +2
    In the event of a conflict, they will be at a disadvantage, since Russian and Chinese aircraft in full force will be thrown to defend their territories.
    The key idea of ​​the United States is to attack and they openly talk about it. It's time to declare them aggressors.
  25. Kaw
    Kaw 6 December 2018 07: 46
    -4
    Modern radars can detect the F-22 only at a very short distance, so the low range of the missiles is not critical for them. Over the past two decades, Russia has adopted less than 200 new aircraft and the entire fourth generation, the economy has not allowed more. Vryatli can be expected that we will be able to produce more than two hundred Su-57s, all the more so with the economy, in recent times, it has only gotten worse.
  26. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 6 December 2018 08: 43
    +2
    As I understand it, the Americans first want to make an airplane and only then compose the requirements of the 6th generation for it, as was the case with the F22 / 35 and the constantly updated "Wishlist" of the 5th.
  27. Kawado
    Kawado 6 December 2018 12: 17
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    Accordion.
    It has long been known that the 5th generation Raptor super-duper fighters have been discontinued ...
    Like the super-duper bombers f-117 and B-2, the next thing is the same trash f-35, which the states are already almost threatening to force their partners to buy in batches ...
    And after the game F-35 vs S-300 held in Ukraine, the excitement about this letaka for some reason fell sharply.
    Naturally, the Pentagon is sharply trying to speed up the next super-duper project, which can be profitably sold so that you don’t put your teeth on the shelf.