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Azerbaijan is denied acquisition of the Bal-E complex

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Azerbaijan will not be able to purchase the Bal-E coastal missile system in Russia because of the position of the Russian Defense Ministry, reports Kommersant.

Azerbaijan is denied acquisition of the Bal-E complex


The Russian military department considered that even the export modification of the complex poses a potential threat to the forces of the Caspian flotilla.

The readiness of the Azerbaijani military to buy the Ball division of the Ball became known in 2014. According to a newspaper source, this topic was developed, and a contract was even prepared for the purchase of a small batch of complexes and several dozen 3М24 missiles of an export version (X-35E). However, it did not come to signing.

The defense ministry of the Russian Federation considered such a supply inexpedient: even an export version of the missile carries a potential threat to Russian ships in the Caspian Sea. The position of the military leadership has been heard. The topic of selling Bal-E complexes to Azerbaijan is no longer discussed.

There is another "delicate nuance." According to the source, in recent years the X-35 missile homing head has been upgraded to destroy not only offshore facilities, but also ground targets. Therefore, Moscow would not like this weapon was applied in the Karabakh conflict.

According to the interlocutor, the refusal to supply Bal should not lead to a cooling of relations between Moscow and Baku. Recently, Azerbaijani leader Ilham Aliyev said that "cooperation in the field of military-technical cooperation has great traditions." In total, countries have implemented contracts worth more than $ 5 billion.

Recall, DBK "Ball" is designed to control territorial waters, protect coastal infrastructure and sea communications. The defeat range is up to 120 km.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Sergey39
    Sergey39 5 December 2018 12: 40
    +14
    Correctly. There is nothing to produce potential enemies.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 5 December 2018 12: 44
      +7
      Quote: Sergey39
      Correctly. There is nothing to produce potential enemies.

      Ha, ha you have not read the text? Weapons sold already 5 yards bucks.
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 5 December 2018 12: 47
        +17
        But anti-ship missiles are another matter entirely.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 5 December 2018 12: 56
          +3
          Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          But anti-ship missiles are another matter entirely.

          Buy from others, if straight big need. The bazaar is big, only Europe imposed an embargo, but there is China, Israel.
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 5 December 2018 12: 58
            +8
            Interesting position.
            Turkey shot down our plane, they sold it the S-400
            Azerbaijan did not threaten Russia in ANY way. And he is denied "out of fear." Although they can be sold by an analogue of any competitor of Russia.
            What is smoking in the ministry?
            1. Sirocco
              Sirocco 5 December 2018 13: 45
              +38
              Quote: Shurik70
              What is smoking in the ministry?

              I would ask Aliyev that they smoke, from whom is he going to defend himself with the BAL? From the Russian Federation, Turkmenistan, or Kazakhstan with Iran?
              Maybe an order came from the United States or Israel, for a party to study the counteraction to this complex in the Black Sea? Here, so to speak, business is nothing personal.
            2. Mestny
              Mestny 5 December 2018 13: 48
              0
              This is an offensive weapon, unlike the S-400. Is this at least clear?
              1. maxim947
                maxim947 5 December 2018 14: 07
                0
                everything is correct, but it is not clear why they thought for 4 years. Plus, if you really want to, then buy from others. And the passions are correctly noticed - why do Azerbaijan need them at all ??
                1. Yujanin
                  Yujanin 5 December 2018 14: 50
                  -5
                  why do they need Azerbaijan at all ??

                  Can I ask a counter question?
                  1. genisis
                    genisis 5 December 2018 15: 46
                    0
                    Azerbaijani Defense Ministry Zakir Hasanov at a meeting with a delegation of the US Department of Defense 04/12/2018: "Azerbaijan will begin to expand military cooperation with the United States"
                    https://m.haqqin.az/news/140950
                    1. Yujanin
                      Yujanin 5 December 2018 15: 51
                      -1
                      Azerbaijani Defense Ministry Zakir Hasanov at a meeting with a delegation of the US Department of Defense


                      In turn, L. Cooper emphasized that the US government is interested in expanding and strengthening cooperation with Azerbaijan in the field of security and defense.
              2. Sirocco
                Sirocco 5 December 2018 14: 09
                +3
                Quote: Mestny

                This is an offensive weapon, unlike the S-400. Is this at least clear?

                The complex is designed to control territorial waters and torrential zones; protect naval bases, other coastal facilities and coastal infrastructure; of protection coast on airborne dangerous directions.
                Not a word about the offensive form. How is that? In this situation, an offensive weapon for Azerbaijan is a rake. (no offense dear compatriots from AZ)
              3. ioan-e
                ioan-e 5 December 2018 14: 51
                -1
                Excuse me, but the towers of the coastal batteries of Sevastopol dug into the ground before the war, were also offensive weapons? S-400 on the surface can also work, if necessary!
              4. Hagalaz
                Hagalaz 5 December 2018 15: 36
                +3
                How can a coastal anti-ship complex be offensive?
            3. Yujanin
              Yujanin 5 December 2018 14: 48
              +1
              What is smoking in the ministry?

              Cigarettes "Akhtamar"
              1. Armen
                Armen 5 December 2018 18: 20
                0
                Quote: Yujanin
                What is smoking in the ministry?

                Cigarettes "Akhtamar"

                laughing hi
              2. Altona
                Altona 6 December 2018 13: 08
                0
                Quote: Yujanin
                Cigarettes "Akhtamar"

                ------------------------
                Armenian cigarettes? Maybe "Arin-Bird"? For some reason, there were exactly Armenian cigarettes in Baku. hi
                1. Yujanin
                  Yujanin 6 December 2018 16: 06
                  0
                  And in Armenia they sold the Baku "Cosmos". Times were like that.
            4. Dysindich
              Dysindich 5 December 2018 15: 23
              +2
              Here, let the analogue and buy, if so, they were so impatient. (Turkey, for some reason, did not want "analogs").
            5. Captain Pushkin
              Captain Pushkin 5 December 2018 20: 57
              0
              Quote: Shurik70
              Interesting position.
              Turkey shot down our plane, they sold it the S-400
              Azerbaijan did not threaten Russia in ANY way. And he is denied "out of fear." Although they can be sold by an analogue of any competitor of Russia.
              What is smoking in the ministry?

              It is clear from the text that the negotiations were canceled taking into account relations with Armenia, this missile can work on ground targets.
            6. volot-voin
              volot-voin 7 December 2018 08: 27
              0
              Quote: Shurik70
              Turkey shot down our plane, they sold it the S-400
              Azerbaijan did not threaten Russia in ANY way. And he is denied "out of fear." Although they can be sold by an analogue of any competitor of Russia.

              BAL in the Caspian is not particularly needed. U.S. Navy carriers do not go there. Who is there to drown except the Caspian Flotilla of the Russian Federation? Fight with Iran? Iran does not threaten anyone, it has enough of its own problems, except for Azerbaijan and the Russian Federation.
          2. kotdavin4i
            kotdavin4i 5 December 2018 13: 20
            0
            Already bought, it is from Israel. Complete with stations - (well, so as not to suffer) the benefit of money is ...
          3. Yeraz
            Yeraz 5 December 2018 14: 05
            0
            Quote: Semurg
            only Europe imposed an embargo

            Europe’s attitude is beginning to change. We bought a large batch of self-propelled guns and RZSO from the Czech Republic through Israel, bought a large batch of aircraft from Italy of the latest model M-436, right now there was information that France is selling air defense
            ASTER 30.And there is money, they will buy from others.
            1. KURT330
              KURT330 5 December 2018 20: 33
              +1
              Yeraz, not a word to anyone
              1. Oquzyurd
                Oquzyurd 5 December 2018 22: 34
                +1
                ))) The beauty)
              2. Yeraz
                Yeraz 6 December 2018 02: 15
                +1
                Quote: KURT330
                Yeraz, not a word to anyone

                RILIAS ?? I did not expect so early. Great news.
            2. Captain Pushkin
              Captain Pushkin 5 December 2018 20: 59
              +1
              Quote: Yeraz
              acquired a large batch of aircraft from Italy M-436 latest model

              M-436 in the nee Yak-130
              1. KURT330
                KURT330 5 December 2018 21: 58
                -3
                I agree .... in part. Yak-130 TCB, and Eirmachchi a cut above.
              2. Yeraz
                Yeraz 6 December 2018 02: 15
                0
                Quote: Captain Pushkin
                M-436 in the nee Yak-130

                Well, here it’s already more mature)))
        2. noone
          noone 5 December 2018 13: 38
          -6
          and only Russia produces them?)) To be honest, this is good news for Azerbaijan rather than for Russia, since it would be more reasonable to buy GATTS Polonaise CX-1 in China or take their ATMACA anti-ship missiles at the factory price.

          and under the last head of the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense, there was a desire to buy anti-ship missiles in Russia.
    2. Sleeping
      Sleeping 5 December 2018 12: 49
      -16
      Quote: Sergey39
      Correctly. There is nothing to produce potential enemies.

      Enemies seem to be around you and your like, and the main enemy is in your head.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 5 December 2018 13: 50
        +4
        No, well, actually all around are friends, and wish us exclusively good. And we are such dark evil barbarians in no way can understand this.
        It is deprecated by 25 years.
        You grabbed the training manual from the wrong shelf, from the archive?
        1. Sleeping
          Sleeping 5 December 2018 16: 12
          -6
          Quote: Mestny
          we are such dark evil barbarians in no way can understand this.

          In power, not everything, and thank God in the army, too, but among the people of evil de..ilov more and more.

          Quote: Mestny
          You grabbed the training manual from the wrong shelf, from the archive?

          It looks like you are outdated, no one uses manuals now, I will say more - the young generation already does not know the words "manual" and even more so what is it?
          You think in cliches and prejudices, in short, man, you are an ordinary mothball padded jacket.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 5 December 2018 12: 56
      -9
      Until the oligarchs agree on the amount of chunks of profit, and the officials on kickbacks, Azerbaijan will not receive any "points". The main thing here is business.
    4. Nestorych
      Nestorych 5 December 2018 13: 37
      +4
      Weapons are sold just to allies or close countries!)) At the same time, they make them dependent on maintenance, modernization and the supply of spare parts.
    5. Nikolai Petrov
      Nikolai Petrov 5 December 2018 14: 51
      +5
      Sergei, I disagree a little with the word "produce". And so they bred for 100 years ahead. But you shouldn't arm them. These neighbors in Azerbaijan are very slippery.
    6. Aibolit
      Aibolit 5 December 2018 15: 07
      0
      Quote: Sergey39

      Correctly. There is nothing to produce potential enemies.

      Well, they are still a friend.
      Buy elsewhere
    7. atakan
      atakan 7 December 2018 12: 00
      0
      The thing is different.
      In modern times, the presidents of both states, Ilham Aliyev and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, addressed each other “dear brother”, called their peoples brotherly, and Ahmadinejad, when visiting Azerbaijan in 2010, stated that he regarded his visit as coming to his home, to to his brothers [

      Azerbaijan may be a mediator in the transaction.
      There is an agreement between Russia and the United States not to sell weapons to these countries.
      The key word in this equation is Iran. He especially needs just such missiles.
  2. Sarmat Sanych
    Sarmat Sanych 5 December 2018 12: 43
    +10
    Expected Solution. But Algeria, the Philippines, Iran, Indonesia, Vietnam, Egypt, Bangladesh and India can be sold.
    1. Occupant
      Occupant 5 December 2018 13: 00
      +4
      Especially Iran. need to put. But with hard-coded obligations not to place this complex in the Caspian!)
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 5 December 2018 13: 54
        -2
        Iran will not buy - only for nothing. They are of no use to the Ball. If there is a war, they will be demolished in hours, with Iran then air defense / air force.

        Plus they have Chinese - which is mass-produced in Iran - Noor (C-802 - which grew from Exoset = the same class as X-35).

        Moreover, unlike the Ball - which will be demolished, they produce their Noor on camouflage under civilian chassis. For the Ball, this is not possible in the foreseeable future.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 5 December 2018 13: 55
          +3
          Here is another option on Xnumx rockets. One machine command-control + PU, the second only PU. Camouflage Awnings - Discarded.
  3. moreman78
    moreman78 5 December 2018 12: 43
    -3
    Well, they’ll buy an analogue in another place! Azerbaijan with a gold reserve is doing well. So they will not be left without coastal SCRC, and Russia simply lost real money!
    1. Sleeping
      Sleeping 5 December 2018 12: 51
      +6
      Quote: moreman78
      Well, they’ll buy an analogue in another place! Azerbaijan with a gold reserve is doing well. So they will not be left without coastal SCRC, and Russia simply lost real money!

      Baku oil at current production rates is 10 years away
      1. siberalt
        siberalt 5 December 2018 13: 56
        +5
        Let Baku grow palm trees and trade their oil with Russia. There will be more profit than oil. lol
        1. Sleeping
          Sleeping 5 December 2018 16: 16
          0
          Quote: siberalt
          Let Baku grow palm trees and trade their oil with Russia. There will be more profit than oil. lol

          It’s cold in Azerbaijan for the growth of the Pancake week, so as they say, it’s not destiny to be olive oligarchs wink
      2. Yeraz
        Yeraz 5 December 2018 14: 08
        +3
        Quote: Sleeping
        Baku oil at current production rates is 10 years away

        listen to less Armenian radio, and even in Azerbaijan, oil, every 10 years should end, but ends, so still managed to find gas fields)))
      3. KURT330
        KURT330 5 December 2018 20: 39
        +1
        Well, if we find you oil, then we will find it ourselves. Don't worry too much about us.
    2. GRF
      GRF 5 December 2018 12: 53
      +3
      It so happens, it turns out that somewhere we lose, but somewhere we find ...
  4. taiga2018
    taiga2018 5 December 2018 12: 45
    +6
    the safety of their ships comes first, but I think the nagging of the Armenians played an important role ...
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 5 December 2018 14: 03
      +1
      Not nagging, but arguments.
  5. loginovich
    loginovich 5 December 2018 12: 50
    -3
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    What a high morality. I almost cried. But the second phrase is alarming
    The readiness of the Azerbaijani military to buy the Ball division of the Ball became known in 2014. According to a newspaper source, this topic was developed, and a contract was even prepared for the purchase of a small batch of complexes and several dozen 3М24 missiles of an export version (X-35E). However, it did not come to signing.
    It seems to me the money did not agree. Such is morality now.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 5 December 2018 13: 51
      0
      With surrenders - this is to the synagogue.
  6. Russia
    Russia 5 December 2018 12: 50
    +2
    Azerbaijan apparently decided to turn on the fool. smile
  7. URAL72
    URAL72 5 December 2018 12: 51
    +2
    I didn't quite understand the reason for the refusal. Can't we "bookmark"? We do not have the means to combat a subsonic missile? Electronic warfare? And if they buy an "exoset" or something Chinese or Iranian? Israel can help too. There is a choice in this segment. I can't imagine a war with Azerbaijan, they have a Georgian example under their noses, and the presence of a land border makes it unnecessary for amphibious assault.
    1. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 5 December 2018 13: 02
      0
      Quote: URAL72
      I did not quite understand the reason for the refusal.

      Quote: taiga2018
      I think not the last role was played by the nagging of Armenians ...

      I think so
    2. seti
      seti 5 December 2018 13: 07
      +7
      And you just imagine. Some of them had no idea what the current country 4о4 could go to, but what we have on the exhaust. The anxiety of our Navy is understandable and justified.
      The incorrect export version did not go far from the one that we ourselves have in the coastal troops. And the amount of profit is probably not worth it to risk it.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 5 December 2018 14: 13
        +3
        Quote: seti
        And the amount of profit is probably not worth it to risk it.

        what to risk? Azerbaijan will buy such systems from others.
        And most importantly, the Russian Federation borders Azerbaijan with a long land border. The distance from the border to the capital of Baku, where half the country's population lives, is only 206 km. Whatever you want is called from. And if you also take into account that, of the 5 corps of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, one is located in the enclave in Nakhchivan, i.e., it was torn off, and 3 others in the Karabakh zone and only 1 overlaps Baku and the border. Azerbaijanis did not exactly differ in Masachism and stupidity.
        1. purple
          purple 5 December 2018 14: 51
          +10
          Quote: Yeraz
          The distance from the border to the capital of Baku, where half the country's population lives, is only 206 km.

          Half of the population of Azerbaijan lives in Moscow .... no need here ...
          1. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 5 December 2018 15: 04
            -2
            The number of Azerbaijanis in the former USSR is about 16 million, of which about 10 million are in Azerbaijan, and the total number in the world is about 50 million.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 5 December 2018 15: 36
              +2
              Quote: Oquzyurd
              The number of Azerbaijanis in the former USSR is about 16 million

              Oghus doesn’t live 16 million in the CIS. Moreover, 10 in Azerbaijan itself. Where do you get such data ?? there are 9 million Azerbaijanis in the CIS space ??? Here is the fact that 5 million Uzbeks are immediately felt on the streets of Russia, if there would be 9 Azerbaijanis and half are allowed in the Russian Federation, and the rest in other countries would be very noticeable.
              Quote: Oquzyurd
              And the total world population is about 50 million.

              And a total of 50 million in the world. It's like a fairy tale about 40 million Kurds.
              Only in real life how many people from this mass feel like TURKS and how many of the feeling Türks consider themselves to be Azerbaijani Türks. And the numbers will be completely different.
              1. Oquzyurd
                Oquzyurd 5 December 2018 16: 18
                0
                6 million, not 9. And the former USSR, not the CIS. Only in Georgia more than 400 thousand, Ukraine more than 500 thousand, in Central Asia in total (?) Million Russia (?) It is not clear, the data are too divergent. Belarus, Moldova, The Baltic states? So I figured it would be about 6, approximately. South Azerbaijan, the numbers are not solid from 15 million to 35) + scattered around the world. I talked about the approximate number, for an estimate. Not one country has an exact calculation to repeat. But I'm sure in one thing, that 9+ million actually live in Azerbaijan. No matter how many people leave, the growth, birth rate is too outstripping the pace.
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 5 December 2018 17: 52
                  0
                  Quote: Oquzyurd
                  And the former USSR, not the CIS.

                  what does the former USSR, and not the CIS, mean, in the Baltic states a large number of Azerbaijanis never existed.
                  Quote: Oquzyurd
                  It is not clear, the data is too divergent. Belarus, Moldova, the Baltic states? So I figured that it would be about 6, approximately.

                  so these 6 are not separate from the 10 million population of Azerbaijan.
                  Only Georgian Azerbaijanis go separately
                  Quote: Oquzyurd
                  But I am sure of one thing that 9+ million actually live in Azerbaijan

                  It is not a matter of confidence, but of reality.
                  For example, I have a lot of relatives and acquaintances who have 2 passports, therefore they are included in the statistics of 10 million, and in fact they were in Azerbaijan 10 years ago, and some are even more.
                  Just look at Baku and the regions in the summer and in the rest of the seasons. 7 million actually live in the country.
                  A lot has left in Turkey, the current educated youth is leaving for Germany and Canada.
                  That is, 10 million Azerbaijanis are obtained with an Azerbaijan passport, we add here 500 thousand Georgian citizens of Azerbaijanis and 100 thousand citizens of Kazakhstan and the citizens of Uzbekistan, but there is assimilation and they disappear.
                  Plus, we add a couple of hundreds of thousands of Azerbaijanis born and born in Russia. For example, acquaintances have Azerbaijani passports, and children were born in the Russian Federation and their children are born in the Russian Federation and, unlike the parents who are on the 10 million list, children and grandchildren are purely related to the Russian Federation .
                  So that 11 million
                  1. Oquzyurd
                    Oquzyurd 5 December 2018 18: 25
                    +2
                    I won’t argue, but your figures for Central Asia did not convince me. Yet, I was born in the village where I left for Baku, in other countries, makes up one third of the increase for the period 1992-2017. I was also interested in other neighboring villages (3 , managers of my generation and I know everyone, stubbornly clarified the real picture), the same picture (+ -) as in my village. In the Village Councils (ichra numayendelii) there is a complete picture of the number of households, the number of people living in these houses, born and dead, the number of people registered. And they will leave you by name if they are even registered this village.
              2. Sarmat Sanych
                Sarmat Sanych 5 December 2018 16: 27
                +2
                There are 2,5 million Uzbeks in Russia and 1,5 million Azerbaijanis - these are data from the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs.
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 5 December 2018 17: 54
                  0
                  Quote: Sarmat Sanych
                  1,5 million Azerbaijanis - these are data from the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation.

                  Well, we add here a couple of tens of thousands with the time of the USSR who lived,
                  we add here Azerbaijanis of Georgian citizens, who are about 500 thousand (for example, in St. Petersburg half of Azerbaijanis are Georgian Azerbaijanis) and plus 150 thousand Azerbaijanis are residents of Dagestan. And it turns out about 2 million +
          2. Yeraz
            Yeraz 5 December 2018 15: 31
            -1
            Quote: purple
            Half of the population of Azerbaijan lives in Moscow .... no need here ...

            it’s not for the Azerbaijanian to tell me how many of my countrymen live in Russia.
            In Azerbaijan, 10 million of them are 2.5 in Russia.
    3. Glory1974
      Glory1974 5 December 2018 13: 10
      +3
      I didn't quite understand the reason for the refusal. Can't we "bookmark"?

      Also surprised. The French sold Hussein to Iraq air defense systems, which were turned off at the right time at the request of the United States.
      Why can't we do the same? Sell ​​our missiles with a bookmark so that it doesn’t work on our ships. A double guarantee is obtained: a friendly country equipped with our weapons, but in which case it will not be able to shoot at us anyway.
    4. Sirocco
      Sirocco 5 December 2018 14: 23
      +2
      Quote: URAL72
      they have a Georgian example under their noses,

      You show me at least one person who learns from the mistakes of others, there are none of them practically, Racing races are such a fun of mankind, everyone will jump in turn, recently they have even arranged competitions, Georgia, Ukraine, Azerbaijan and Armenia, I’m silent about the outer circle, everyone is interested in a rake in the forehead))))
  8. Servisinzhener
    Servisinzhener 5 December 2018 12: 54
    -1
    It would be possible to sell equipped with bookmarks so that you don’t fly where you don’t.
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 5 December 2018 14: 36
      +1
      That is, do you think the seller is smart and the buyer is stupid?))) Blindly they don’t buy anything. There is a big market, there is always a choice. In Azerbaijan, there are Gabriel-5 / ANAM missiles.
      1. Servisinzhener
        Servisinzhener 5 December 2018 15: 33
        +1
        In no case. But such sophisticated weapons systems always contain safety net elements and if suddenly Azerbaijan decides to use Gabriel-5 / ANAM against Israel, this is unlikely to work out.
  9. Serjio
    Serjio 5 December 2018 12: 54
    -1
    Another bad thing is that the Iskander-E with a range of 280 kilometers was given to Armenia, and now it is under American control. Now the situation is also being actively escalated by stuffing in order to squeeze the Russian military out of Armenia.
    1. SGarnik
      SGarnik 5 December 2018 17: 15
      +2
      Armenia, and now it is under American control.

      And where did you get such information? So far, Russia is an ally for Belarus and Armenia, which cannot be said of other CIS members, referring to textbooks on the history of these countries.
  10. Observer2014
    Observer2014 5 December 2018 12: 55
    +2
    Azerbaijan is denied acquisition of the Bal-E complex
    But what is he to Azerbaijan? To fight with Armenia? repeat
    1. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 5 December 2018 13: 24
      +2
      In principle, we have small graters with Turkmenistan (a couple of controversial oil fields) in the early 2000s with Iran too - so as they say - let them lie ...
      1. genisis
        genisis 5 December 2018 15: 55
        +2
        Small graters with Turkmenistan? )))
        Nothing that the Turkmens consider Chirag and Gunashli, which Azerbaijan is actively developing, is controversial. And Kapaz (Serdar), lying still to the east is still the subject of extremely fierce debate. So the problems of Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan in the Caspian are acute.
        As for Iran, it is still more complicated. Iranian ships have already demonstrated to Azerbaijani oil companies that they are ready to go all-in in the Caspian. Or do you want to say that Sardar Dzhangal has already been divided?
  11. Fregate
    Fregate 5 December 2018 13: 06
    -1
    They will buy something from others. And in order not to be afraid of one’s own rockets, one can come up with something.
  12. askort154
    askort154 5 December 2018 13: 15
    0
    What is not clear ?! In 2014. Azeibarjan expressed a desire to purchase the "Bal" DBK division. They began to prepare the terms of the contract, of course, not with the RF Ministry of Defense, but with the manufacturer. When it came to signing the RF Ministry of Defense,
    received a "bummer", and the Ministry of Defense announced the reason for the refusal to sign. Everything is logical. yes
  13. BAI
    BAI 5 December 2018 13: 24
    +2
    And why is Azerbaijan anti-ship systems?
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 5 December 2018 14: 44
      -2
      There are three options, shoot birds, shoot firecrackers in the New Year, and the third option was given for public discussion until the answers are known)
  14. Bypassed
    Bypassed 5 December 2018 13: 31
    -1
    Evo how. Too shy to ask. Does the military department know anything about digital reality, or is the "friend or foe" identification system not spelled out in the guidance devices? If not spelled out, then it can only threaten, only having oil revenues Turks analogues of other countries will buy.
    1. purple
      purple 5 December 2018 14: 52
      0
      Quote: PASSED BY
      If it is not registered, then it can be threatening, only having the oil revenues, Turks will buy analogues and other countries.

      Well, let's study repeat
  15. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 5 December 2018 13: 56
    -3
    All right done. Azerbaijan is still an ally, although anti-ship missiles can be acquired from China or Turkey.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 5 December 2018 14: 21
      +5
      Quote: Alexey-74
      Azerbaijan is still an ally

      Azerbaijan is not an ally of the Russian Federation, in fact. A strategic partner.
      The official allies are the CSTO countries.
      And Azerbaijan itself has only 2 allies, Turkey and Pakistan, which openly oppose Armenia, Pakistan does not recognize Armenia as a state and threatens it with regard to Karabakh.
      There are 2 semi-passive allies of Kazakhstan and Belarus.
      1. Sleeping
        Sleeping 5 December 2018 16: 25
        0
        Quote: Yeraz
        And Azerbaijan itself has only 2 allies, Turkey and Pakistan,

        With Turkey, everything is clear in fact one people, but what is Pakistan harnessing for Azerbaijan?
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 5 December 2018 17: 23
          +2
          Pakistan always stands next to Turkey and Azerbaijan. This is a story with long roots. If you look at the map, the line Pakistan-Afghanistan-North Iran (South Azerbaijan) Azerbaijan-Turkey, the peoples in this line have always supported each other in one way or another.
          1. Sleeping
            Sleeping 5 December 2018 17: 39
            +1
            Quote: Oquzyurd
            Pakistan always stands next to Turkey and Azerbaijan. This is a story with long roots.

            I think you are composing on the fly, what are these "distant roots"? I don't know from history about the close connection between Pashtuns and Azerbaijanis. Clarify please.
            1. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 5 December 2018 18: 43
              +1
              Long and dreary will explain. Consider that Azerbaijanis are Turks. Pakistan, in addition to religion, it is from this angle to treat us. "In 1919, when the Ottoman Empire, whose sultan was considered the ruler of all the faithful, was on the verge of extinction after the defeat in the First World War, the Muslims of British India began a campaign of civil disobedience. Soldiers and officers returned their military awards, officials refused posts, tens of thousands of people tried to get through Afghanistan and Persia to the Ottoman Empire to protect the Sultan. The Turks did not forget this. When Pakistan gained independence in 1947, Turkey was one of the first to establish diplomatic relations with him. The founder of the country, Ali Jinnah, openly admired Ataturk and promised to build a state on his Since then, Pakistan and Turkey have gone through life shoulder to shoulder. Both countries were in the anti-Soviet bloc CENTO and have consistently supported each other in the UN and OIC. Pakistan helped Turkey during the Cyprus crisis, when Ankara was under the threat of sanctions; Turkey helped Pakistan in the 1990s, when, due to the imposed post-nuclear tests As a result of restrictions, Pakistan almost lost its aircraft, for which no spare parts were supplied. Despite numerous military coups and crises in both countries, each new government has consistently reaffirmed its loyalty to the Pakistani-Turkish friendship. "
              1. Sleeping
                Sleeping 5 December 2018 20: 00
                +1
                Quote: Oquzyurd
                Please note that Azerbaijanis are Turks. Pakistan except religion, it is from this angle that we are treated

                So Turks and Pakistanis are Sunnis, and Azerbaijanis are Shiites, so that rather faith has nothing to do with it, rather geopolitics
                1. KURT330
                  KURT330 5 December 2018 20: 54
                  +1
                  We do not just about religions, but on the general theme of religion do not bother at all. 370 Russian schools, 3 universities, television and radio channels, press, etc. Can you give an example of a Russian school in Armenia?
                  1. Oquzyurd
                    Oquzyurd 5 December 2018 22: 59
                    +1
                    Indeed, what our wise people does not do, so that the northerners understand that at least there is no harm from us, and this is not for the sake of taking our side, but for being objective, so that they are neutral, not taking the side of the aggressor. They apparently have nothing to do with it, the criteria of the 19th century are alive in the 21st century and this is the main geopolitical mistake, from the very beginning of the conflict from the end of the 20th century. The Turks have a very good saying, "maksat üzüm yemek değil, bağcıyı dövmek" ...
                2. Oquzyurd
                  Oquzyurd 5 December 2018 22: 23
                  +1
                  If you are not aware, you should know that 35-40% of the Muslim population of Azerbaijan are Sunites. And the perspective of Pakistan is not focused on the religious movement of our population. "Rather geopolitics", you came to the same place where you started - Today, 17:23 )
                3. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 6 December 2018 02: 19
                  +1
                  Quote: Sleeping
                  So Turks and Pakistanis are Sunnis, and Azerbaijanis are Shiites, so that rather faith has nothing to do with it, rather geopolitics

                  for example, what ?? Just offhand why Pakistan? ?? There is no economy between the countries, only now there will be a large purchase of weapons, and does not recognize Armenia from the 90s.
                  Not related peoples.
                  Do not be neighbors.
                  Some believing Sunnis and the country have very strong Islamic norms, Sharia, etc. plus there is oppression of Shiites, and Azerbaijan is a secular Shiite country.
                  Armenians like in major wars or massacres of the Pakistanis were not seen.
                  So just Islamic solidarity.
        2. Doliva63
          Doliva63 5 December 2018 17: 33
          0
          Quote: Sleeping
          Quote: Yeraz
          And Azerbaijan itself has only 2 allies, Turkey and Pakistan,

          With Turkey, everything is clear in fact one people, but what is Pakistan harnessing for Azerbaijan?

          How long have they been "one people"? The Ottomans generally referred them to Iranians, if sclerosis does not lie. And my dear Julfa is divided between Azerbaijan and Iran.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 5 December 2018 18: 08
            0
            Quote: Doliva63
            The Ottomans generally attributed them to the Iranians,

            The Ottomans, which could be any non-Turk accepting Islam, could have anything to consider. For example, in Iran, only one not Türkic tribe was considered to be the Kyzylbashs - the Talyshs.
            And the people are one and the same. And when we called ourselves Turks, they actively turned everyone into Ottomans there and tried not to use the word Turks, but the Turks woke up and did not let themselves turn into the Ottoman nation. In Iran, Azerbaijanis call themselves Turks. But in Northern Azerbaijan, the Soviets were able to drive an Azerbaijani into the head, but the benefit was not 100%, and this is a discussion in Azerbaijan and any national leader who comes in a little bit will change this situation, since an artificial one will sooner or later fail.
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 5 December 2018 20: 08
              -1
              Quote: Yeraz
              Quote: Doliva63
              The Ottomans generally attributed them to the Iranians,

              The Ottomans, which could be any non-Turk accepting Islam, could have anything to consider. For example, in Iran, only one not Türkic tribe was considered to be the Kyzylbashs - the Talyshs.
              And the people are one and the same. And when we called ourselves Turks, they actively turned everyone into Ottomans there and tried not to use the word Turks, but the Turks woke up and did not let themselves turn into the Ottoman nation. In Iran, Azerbaijanis call themselves Turks. But in Northern Azerbaijan, the Soviets were able to drive an Azerbaijani into the head, but the benefit was not 100%, and this is a discussion in Azerbaijan and any national leader who comes in a little bit will change this situation, since an artificial one will sooner or later fail.

              How it all starts. Once again: the Turks are the same Turkmens / Uzbeks (or who else there, I don’t remember) mixed with the peoples of the Mediterranean, and Azerbaijanis are Iranians, not to be confused with nationality! In the time of the battle ax megaculture, proto-Iranians made their way almost from India, having absorbed the cultures of many nations, until they became Iranians themselves, and then the tribes that were later called Azerbaijanis separated from them. Turks have nothing to do with it, they appeared centuries later. The blame for this is the planting of megametanism, which erased the self-awareness of the people, but there is nothing to be done.
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 6 December 2018 02: 23
                0
                Quote: Doliva63
                How it all starts. Once again: the Turks are the same Turkmens / Uzbeks (or who else there, I don’t remember) mixed with the peoples of the Mediterranean, and Azerbaijanis are Iranians, not to be confused with nationality!

                what other Iranians, you still call Azerbaijanis.
                We were Turks and are. We came in the form of the Seljuks, and then they split up and began to form one under the Ottomans, others under the Safavids in the united Kyzylbash tribal confederation.
                They became Iranians, and then they became Azerbaijanis)))) And where do these tales tell.
                How the Turks came and put the region and its population on their knees and ruled.
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 6 December 2018 19: 29
                  0
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  How it all starts. Once again: the Turks are the same Turkmens / Uzbeks (or who else there, I don’t remember) mixed with the peoples of the Mediterranean, and Azerbaijanis are Iranians, not to be confused with nationality!

                  what other Iranians, you still call Azerbaijanis.
                  We were Turks and are. We came in the form of the Seljuks, and then they split up and began to form one under the Ottomans, others under the Safavids in the united Kyzylbash tribal confederation.
                  They became Iranians, and then they became Azerbaijanis)))) And where do these tales tell.
                  How the Turks came and put the region and its population on their knees and ruled.

                  The Turks did not come from anywhere. Read the story, or something. They became them already on the conquered lands. And proto-Iranians have been there for hundreds of years. It’s bad that you don’t know the history of your ancestors.
                  1. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 6 December 2018 19: 53
                    0
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    The Turks did not come from anywhere. Read the story, or something. They became them already on the conquered lands. And proto-Iranians have been there for hundreds of years. It’s bad that you don’t know the history of your ancestors.

                    Yes, teach me where my ancestors came from))) It turns out I am an Iranian))) These are tales we have listened to a lot, we are Persians and only the Turkic language, we are Iranian, etc. Not a ride. We are Nomads of the Turks and our region.
                    1. Doliva63
                      Doliva63 7 December 2018 18: 48
                      0
                      Quote: Yeraz
                      Quote: Doliva63
                      The Turks did not come from anywhere. Read the story, or something. They became them already on the conquered lands. And proto-Iranians have been there for hundreds of years. It’s bad that you don’t know the history of your ancestors.

                      Yes, teach me where my ancestors came from))) It turns out I am an Iranian))) These are tales we have listened to a lot, we are Persians and only the Turkic language, we are Iranian, etc. Not a ride. We are Nomads of the Turks and our region.

                      It's like a story with the Tatars - also, it seems, Türks in language, but in fact - Ugric people. Not so simple in our history. I was born in the Nakhchivan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, half of Julfa have relatives in Iran. Language and religion are one thing, genes are another thing, one cannot argue here. But I will not argue. I am Soviet, I have no nationality.
                      1. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 7 December 2018 21: 30
                        0
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        I was born in the Nakhchivan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, half of Julfa have relatives in Iran. Language and religion are one thing, genes are another thing, one cannot argue here. But I will not argue

                        Lord, are you still a Nakhchyan Turk ??
                        I’m sure of my genes and I have half of relatives from Iran who wandered between North and South Azerbaijan, my father’s father wandered along the east-west line. And I know my pedigree for several centuries, who and how. And I'm not from the series of a dark bearded Azerbaijani. And my friends of Nakhchivan are specific Turkmen in appearance. Therefore, maybe someone doubts their genes, but not me.
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        I am Soviet, I have no nationality.

                        Well, how can I say, in fact, Soviet is also a nationality. This is a different look and behavioral type, and roughly speaking with his faith in the unbelief of God among some.
          2. Sleeping
            Sleeping 5 December 2018 20: 04
            +1
            Quote: Doliva63

            How long have they been "one people"? The Ottomans generally referred them to Iranians, if sclerosis does not lie.

            This is how to call one nation, for example, Slavs-Croats, Bulgarians and Russians, in principle, the language can be understood to each other, but by faith, mentality, etc., these are completely different nations.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 6 December 2018 02: 26
              0
              Quote: Sleeping
              This is how to call one nation, for example, Slavs-Croats, Bulgarians and Russians, in principle, the language can be understood to each other, but by faith, mentality, etc., these are completely different nations.

              no. This is more applicable when compared with Yakut. And all the others are very similar. And Azerbaijani Turks and Turkish especially. Russians living in Ukraine complain that they can not understand Ukrainian. There are no such problems and are close between All Oguzes. And what is this a fundamental difference in mentality ?? The narrow points in principle are all the same. And according to the faith of the MUSLIM, the fact that prayer is done a little differently and the attitude to the caliphs is a little different does not make them People of different faiths.
        3. Yeraz
          Yeraz 5 December 2018 18: 03
          -1
          Quote: Sleeping
          With Turkey, everything is clear in fact one people, but what is Pakistan harnessing for Azerbaijan?

          Pakistan harnessed even more for Azerbaijan. Unlike Turkey, with which, in addition to family relations, there is strong economic interaction, Azerbaijan is the largest investor in the Turkish economy and has sold gas for a long time on a cheap price. This is with Pakistan, which was in the 90s and the beginning of 2000- x, that in the rich, as such, there are no economic ties, so for show these small volumes. Plus Pakistan Sunnis.
          It’s just that this part of the region was ruled by the Türkic dynasties of Kyzylbashi and the Türkic population was especially a military elite and, in fact, the strengthening of Shiism is the result of the resettlement of Nadir Shah Kyzylbashov there.
          And the benevolence of the Azerbaijani philanthropist Hajiyev and all.
          Pakistan is essentially the only country in the world that has shown Muslim solidarity, it simply does not recognize Armenia itself as a state.
          For example, I’m not sure that Turkey, without having a problem with the genocide, such a kinship with Azerbaijan and such FAVORABLE economic cooperation would close the border or not. Rather, it wouldn’t.
          And Pakistan has full support, as the Generals have more than once spoken about sending troops.
          By the way, there is Uzbekistan, which recognizes Armenia, but there is still no embassy, ​​economic ties are at a minimum and in the voting for Azerbaijan.
          But here, explainably, the Uzbeks perfectly remember the atrocities of the Dashnaks in Uzbekistan. So to speak, historical memory.
          1. SGarnik
            SGarnik 5 December 2018 22: 36
            +1
            But here, explainably, the Uzbeks perfectly remember the atrocities of the Dashnaks in Uzbekistan. So to speak, historical memory.

            You do not repeat nonsense even after an engaged moron who was sobered up by the so-called Azerbaijan.
            Armenians were everywhere where the Russians acted, and if you consider a handful of Armenians to blame for the atrocities in Uzbekistan, then you indirectly, but rather directly blame the Russians for this campaign. Yes, the Uzbeks themselves took part in them on the Russian side. The Armenians never had hatred of the Central Asian Turks, it is you who are trying to pit all the Turks, and other Muslims against the Armenians. .
            I think in the person of Armenians, Pakistan is persecuting all Christians.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 6 December 2018 02: 14
              0
              Quote: SGarnik
              The Armenians were everywhere where the Russians acted, and if you consider a handful of Armenians to blame for the atrocities in Uzbekistan, then you indirectly, but rather directly blame the Russians for this campaign.

              Dashnaks did not fall from the air, but went under the Bolsheviks and did everything there.
              Quote: SGarnik
              The Armenians never had hatred of the Central Asian Turks, it is you trying to pit all the Turks, and other Muslims against the Armenians. .

              ahah))) Well, it’s certainly hard to blame me for this. I first learned this story from an elderly Uzbek. Before that, to be honest, I didn’t even assume that there was at least one Armenian in Uzbekistan. As it was, everything was and who killed the Bolsheviks more and I don’t know the Dashnaks, but the version of this Uzbek was that it was mostly Dashnaks. And then I already inquired and, in principle, let's say that the Dashnaks worked to their fullest.
    2. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 5 December 2018 15: 37
      0
      As I said above, they were not sold in vain. But it was necessary to sell with small programmatic changes that would not allow us to shoot these complexes at us.
  16. KURT330
    KURT330 5 December 2018 14: 02
    0
    On December 4, President of the Republic of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev received a delegation led by an adviser to the United States Deputy Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper. According to AZERTAC, the head of state noted the successful development of cooperation between Azerbaijan and the United States in various fields.
    https://video.azertag.az/ru/video/69844
    Something like this ...
  17. KURT330
    KURT330 5 December 2018 14: 07
    +1
    Quote: moreman78
    and Russia just lost real money!

    I think not only money ...
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 5 December 2018 14: 51
      -1
      "I think not only money ..." ++++++++++++
  18. KURT330
    KURT330 5 December 2018 14: 14
    -1
    Quote: Serjio
    Another bad thing is that the Iskander-E with a range of 280 kilometers was given to Armenia, and now it is under American control. Now the situation is also being actively escalated by stuffing in order to squeeze the Russian military out of Armenia.

    Here many did not like your comment along the way)) Although you were able to reasonably and briefly outline the idea! hi
  19. KURT330
    KURT330 5 December 2018 14: 18
    -1
    Quote: Alexey-74
    All right done. Azerbaijan is still an ally

    And Azerbaijan is not an ally to anyone! And it will not rust behind us, the market is big ...
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 5 December 2018 15: 00
      +2
      And Azerbaijan is not an ally to anyone! And it will not rust behind us, the market is big ...
      God help you ...... and the wind in the back.
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 5 December 2018 15: 09
        +1
        If God helps, the direction of the wind does not matter.
  20. KURT330
    KURT330 5 December 2018 15: 01
    0
    Quote: Yujanin
    What is smoking in the ministry?

    Cigarettes "Akhtamar"

    Most likely "Legend" cigarettes with a black filter ... Well, for the extreme "Arin Bird" or "Salute" wink
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 5 December 2018 15: 11
      0
      "Arin Brad";)
  21. KURT330
    KURT330 5 December 2018 15: 04
    -1
    Quote: Yeraz
    France sells air defense
    ASTER 30

    French company MBDA Systems to sell ASTER 30 SAMP / T and VL Mica air defense systems to Azerbaijan.

    “We have received permission from the French government to export air defense systems to Azerbaijan. Negotiations with the Azerbaijani side on the purchase and sale of systems will be completed in the near future, ”a company representative said in an interview with the Azerbaijani journal AzeriDefence.
  22. san4es
    san4es 5 December 2018 15: 10
    +1
    ... a contract was even prepared for the purchase of a small batch of complexes and several dozen 3M24 missiles of the export version (X-35E). .

    hi .... I went out at night to smoke on the deck ... And then kaaak belay
    - from 2.21 min - loudly ... fellow
    BAL-shooting rocket hit
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  23. KURT330
    KURT330 5 December 2018 15: 11
    -2
    Quote: Nikolai Petrov
    Sergei, I disagree a little with the word "produce". And so they bred for 100 years ahead. But you shouldn't arm them. These neighbors in Azerbaijan are very slippery.

    I am amazed at your mind and ingenuity))) This is from what hangover we are so slippery? Or are we, as a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, bred tricks with the West and Europe? Maybe we borrow from you, and then you write off all this to us, or can we blow up your subway? Before you drop a line you would think ...
    1. SGarnik
      SGarnik 5 December 2018 18: 05
      -1
      or can we explode your subway?

      No, you killed more than 2000 Russian servicemen returning from the front in the "Shamkhor Massacre". The Shamkhor massacre was followed by organized attacks on Russians in Azerbaijan. From Wiki.
      1. SGarnik
        SGarnik 5 December 2018 18: 35
        -1
        You are the Caucasian Tatars, the ancestors of today's Azerbaijanis.
        1. Sleeping
          Sleeping 5 December 2018 20: 06
          0
          Quote: SGarnik
          You are the Caucasian Tatars, the ancestors of today's Azerbaijanis.

          This is what the Azerbaijanis called the Caucasian Tatars before the revolution.
          But here is who, and Azerbaijanis are not Tatars at all from the word at all, but rather the Nogais are Caucasian Tatars.
  24. KURT330
    KURT330 5 December 2018 15: 14
    -1
    Quote: purple
    Quote: Yeraz
    The distance from the border to the capital of Baku, where half the country's population lives, is only 206 km.

    Half of the population of Azerbaijan lives in Moscow .... no need here ...

    That you confused us with the Armenians the wisest. Just the same, more than half of THEM live in Moscow. And there are not so many of ours there. Now it’s not necessary here ...
    1. SGarnik
      SGarnik 5 December 2018 17: 54
      0
      You would have figured out among themselves who there are more. Azerbaijanis or citizens of the so-called. Azerbaijan Talysh or Lezghian nationality.
  25. KURT330
    KURT330 5 December 2018 15: 16
    -1
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    In Azerbaijan there are anti-ship missiles Gabriel-5 / ANAM.

    ..... and not only!
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 5 December 2018 15: 46
      +1
      Quote: KURT330
      ..... and not only!

      I think ours probably wanted to use it as a drummer on ground targets, so Russia refused. In fact, Russia does not sell weapons to Azerbaijan that upsets the balance very much. Russia did not sell anything from the Polonez, Laura, Extra and even Kasyrga series, but in essence these types of weapons gave an advantage over Armenia and makes it possible to control the entire territory of Armenia.
      1. SGarnik
        SGarnik 5 December 2018 18: 38
        -2
        control the whole territory of Armenia.

        Therefore, Russia handed over "Iskander" so that Armenia too would control the entire so-called. Azerbaijan.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 5 December 2018 19: 31
          0
          Quote: SGarnik
          Therefore, Russia handed over "Iskander" so that Armenia too would control the entire so-called. Azerbaijan.

          yes, therefore, it transmitted, BUT PARTY. Since the range is 300 km, and Azerbaijan is longer and the Iskanders do not reach Baku and especially to the oil fields in the Caspian, and secondly it is a more expensive toy and can not be used in large quantities, but only for specific purposes. And Azerbaijan with the help of inexpensive Kasyrgi, all of Yerevan can plow.
  26. KURT330
    KURT330 5 December 2018 17: 26
    -3
    Quote: 72jora72
    And Azerbaijan is not an ally to anyone! And it will not rust behind us, the market is big ...
    God help you ...... and the wind in the back.

    Actually, the city of Baku in translation means "city of winds", but about the wind in the back, I would probably answer:
    First, (I don’t know if I understood your hint correctly) "Gone With the Wind" are your allies in the South Caucasus, they are your situational allies, remember this, make sure soon. They love the wind as much as the English flag loves it. Secondly, I also wish you a wind, but fair. You will reach the goal you are striving for! We will be convinced of this too soon. Thirdly, torn sails will not carry you far. The more they break (i.e. the sails), the slower the boat moves. In this situation, even the wind will not help.
  27. Mentat
    Mentat 5 December 2018 20: 42
    0
    Quote: Shurik70
    Interesting position.
    Turkey shot down our plane, they sold it the S-400
    Azerbaijan did not threaten Russia in ANY way. And he is denied "out of fear." Although they can be sold by an analogue of any competitor of Russia.
    What is smoking in the ministry?

    This is all because the ministry does not have shuriks or balls, but competent people who are able to calculate the situation and provide for multivariate developments. We (in the Russian army) have good professionals. And you calm down, fresh valerian brew.
  28. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 5 December 2018 21: 36
    +1
    DBK “Bal” is designed to control territorial waters, protect coastal infrastructure and marine communications. Range of defeat - up to 120 km.

    Moscow would not really like this weapon to be used in the Karabakh conflict.

    Not at all. Moscow is most likely afraid of re-export to Russia-friendly countries ...
    1. KURT330
      KURT330 5 December 2018 22: 03
      0
      This is out of the question! Everything is clearly stipulated in the contract, this is not agricultural machinery. You sell the S-400 to the Turks, and Armenia is where it is closely connected with your "friendly" than we are)))
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 5 December 2018 23: 06
        +1
        Quote: KURT330
        This is out of the question! Everything is clearly stipulated in the contract, this is not agricultural machinery. You sell the S-400 to the Turks, and Armenia is where it is closely connected with your "friendly" than we are)))

        And to hell with Azerbaijan, the PKKK, of course, has a small conflict with Turkmenistan, but that fleet has virtually no in the Caspian ...
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  31. mariusdeayeraleone
    mariusdeayeraleone 6 December 2018 00: 04
    0
    Why not throw off the round skulls)))
    On the topic spike nlos was also considered for a water pool)))
    Of course, the bad news (
  32. wmn5500
    wmn5500 6 December 2018 02: 08
    -1
    Quote: san4es
    ... a contract was even prepared for the purchase of a small batch of complexes and several dozen 3M24 missiles of the export version (X-35E). .

    hi .... I went out at night to smoke on the deck ... And then kaaak belay
    - from 2.21 min - loudly ... fellow
    BAL-shooting rocket hit

    You have provided a very informative video, pay attention to the trajectory of the missile, especially at altitudes of 900-12-4 m. How can you shoot them at ground targets? On coastal conditions it is possible, but under mountain conditions of theater of operations, nothing will work. Therefore, the "whining of Armenians" most likely has nothing to do with it.
  33. Old26
    Old26 6 December 2018 18: 52
    +1
    Quote: Sirocco
    I would ask Aliyev that they smoke, from whom is he going to defend himself with the BAL? From the Russian Federation, Turkmenistan, or Kazakhstan with Iran?

    And who were we going to defend from in the Caspian at one time?

    Quote: Sirocco
    Maybe an order came from the United States or Israel, for a party to study the counteraction to this complex in the Black Sea?

    In Ukraine, the same Uranium missile could be bought for a couple of thousand dollars. Why fence a garden with an "order" through third countries ??