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Who and, most importantly, why the “patriots” frighten the war?

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Have you ever thought that today you can be a patriot not only with a plus sign, but also with a minus sign? A patriot can be not only a defender of the country, but also an outspoken alarmist who pushes the country into the abyss of doubt. And perhaps a provocateur who pushes further, into war, into revolution, into chaos. And all this from a fully conscious and even exaggerated patriotism.


It is clear that everyone has their own personal understanding of how to properly love their homeland. And we will not condemn, but discuss some things that have recently happened in our information space.

At first glance, it looks wild. How can you push the country to death, being a true patriot? How can you love the country and strive to destroy it? The patriot, on the contrary, seeks to ensure that his homeland always conquers. She was always fully prepared and always ready for reflection and so on.

Immediately make a reservation that the patriotism of Vlasov, Solzhenitsyn, Rezun and others, we do not consider patriotism at all.

And if there is no war? Or is there, but not where the patriot wishes? Or where necessary, but not in the way you want? What then? But then the patriot's task is to explain to his own people, and the Minister of Defense with the president for a couple, where there should be a war. And why does the enemy necessarily start this war according to the indicated scenario?



In the 21 century, communication is enough. And the enemy, even at the very top, will quickly enough know the content of the “strategic” plans of the “patriot”, which he will post on the Internet, for example.

Moreover, proving the need for war exactly where he considers it possible, the “patriot” will trump knowledge of the situation in military units and formations and the location of combat units. Without realizing it, the “patriot” does the work of the special units of the enemy. Not all, but enough of many.

Well, the last phase of the work of the “patriot” is the report of your own war plan. And the report from both sides. And for their own, and for others. With a detailed analysis of who, where and when should go and what happens.

Naturally, the ideal option for the manifestation of such patriotism will be the one where a person who has weight in the eyes of some part of the population, a person known for his military merit, a person "on hearing" will be talking about the impending misfortune. And better just two such people. Or three ...

Immediately after the incident in the Kerch Strait, we came across an interesting such channel in the Internet - “Stalingrad”. Already by name it is clear that the channel is patriotic. Although, to be honest, completely unknown. Is it not enough on the open spaces of the network of such channels and blogs?

In general, normal, but I would like more. But not the essence, the main thing not in the title, the main thing in the content. But the content is interested in the full program.

It was there that the interview of the presenter was broadcast with two experts - Igor Girkin / Strelkov and Konstantin Sivkov. And the topic was interesting. What happened in the Kerch Strait, what to expect from the Ukrainian junta, and what kind of reaction will be the Russian authorities?

Simply put, what was, what is and what will be. Such a vanguing on a given topic.

This material stayed in my head for a long time and stubbornly did not want to go out. Although the conversation has already become public knowledge, 130 thousand is not enough for such a conversation. In the end, knowing the qualifications and views of the majority of our readers, they decided to express their own opinion about this conversation.

The beginning of the conversation was quite worthy. Both experts gave an excellent assessment of the situation. And about the prepared provocation. And about quite worthy actions of our sailors. And even about the unwillingness to take responsibility for themselves from some commanders and chiefs, which led to the 12-hour excursion of Ukrainian military boats near the strategic bridge.

But expert Girkin Strelkov would not have been if he had not made a tragedy from these 12 watches. And the tragedy of the all-Russian scale. I will quote close to the text: “So, you can invade our territory, and no one can make a decision. 08.08.08 was the same in Georgia when our peacekeeping battalion was watered with 10 hours of fire. ”

And then Strelkov disappeared somewhere, and Mr. Girkin became himself. The already familiar scenario “everything was lost, we were betrayed” began to a pain.

It’s difficult to call what began, otherwise as a Sabbath of the mind. It was some sort of orgy. Apparently, Girkin missed the audience so much that he made an "anneal-party", in a record short time.

The APU will attack Donetsk in every way, and while we 10 watches are going to think about what to do, they will take the entire LDNR and stand on the Ukrainian-Russian border! Like this. Simple and tasteful. As if there are no corps of the people's militia there. As if there is not a decent shot in the battles of the past years of the reserve. As if those who have been fighting for the fifth year are still miners and watchmen ...

I understand Mr. Strelkov’s “love” for Donetsk. Moreover, I remember the reaction to almost any event there after he left. I even remember how the nationwide love for a military officer quickly changed to indifference, if not more. Especially residents of those houses that Strelkov ordered to blow up. The people in the Donbas is the same. There is a house of this very people. He remembers everything ...

Well, only Donbass would be okay. The topic is already so jaded in this performance that no one would pay attention to the next "betrayed us." But in the second part of the conversation, the experts revealed possible intentions of “ours and yours”.

You know, you read these predictions and there is a feeling that the authors of these calculations are simply eager to "mayak" Kiev about the most convenient place for the next provocation.

Most readers did not pay attention to the fact that the British fleet received approval from Kiev for temporary base in Odessa. Well, another ship will go into the Black Sea. A little flashes on the background of the Crimea and home. This fleet poses no serious danger even to our Black Sea fleet.

This is what you think. And experts give a different alignment. The British ship or ships, if there are two of them, completely cover the sky over Transnistria, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces there quickly conduct a land operation. Any, on blockade, on capture, not important. The main thing - conducts.

How do you conclusions? Shooters crazy? Or do not have information about the Russian VKS? Well no. Owns Apparently, he really wants it to happen ...

Thanks to Konstantin Sivkov. Reassured dispersed Girkin. But let's say, also not without special effects. There will be no invasion. In PMR also not whipping boys live. It will be ... blockade. Hello, second Leningrad, hello, second Small land, in short, the place where our marines rush to punch the corridor to Tiraspol.

Hello, the third world war, the instigators of which we will be as an aggressor! Why?

We will bomb the British ships so that they do not interfere with our landing. So NATO has to intervene! NATO, but for some reason without the United States. The Americans will again stand aside while we are tearing off each other's heads at the European theater of war ...

Whew ...

It is clear that you always want to be on hearing. It is clear that I want to have many supporters. It is clear that even though politics is a dirty business, they do not judge the winners. But not to the same extent.

Patriotism can be the lever with which you can turn the world. Only use this lever with clean hands. With a pure heart and pure thoughts. Otherwise, your supporters, whom you have deceived, will then take you to the block and kick them up with pleasure.

It is worth remembering this, especially to the one who, without looking back, ran twice like a Napoleon from Moscow. Of course, Slavyansk and Donetsk are not like Moscow, but still ...

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  1. Moore
    Moore 6 December 2018 05: 59
    +19
    Warfare is simple and quite accessible to the sound mind of man. But it’s difficult to fight.
    Karl von Clausewitz.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 6 December 2018 08: 33
      +33
      . Immediately make a reservation that patriotism ... Solzhenitsyn, ... we are patriotism don't consider at all.

      But the patriot Putin-believes.
      . Then Strelkov disappeared somewhere, and Mr. Girkin became himself. The already familiar scenario “everything was gone, we were betrayed” began to pain.

      Or maybe he appreciated everything correctly? All the same, for more than a month he sat in Slavyansk surrounded by the Ukrainian army, in a hopeless situation, nevertheless he was able to get people and equipment out of there. I would personally trust Strelkova as a commander. It’s better to overdo it than overdo it.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 6 December 2018 10: 15
        +15
        Quote: Stas157
        I would personally trust Strelkova as a commander.

        and who would trust Putin, the commander?
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 6 December 2018 10: 48
          +24
          Quote: Silvestr
          and who would trust Putin, the commander?

          Oligarchs (cooperative Lake). He has a close circle, his own, those whom he never gives up. I am sure - they trust him unconditionally. Here, only one thing is not clear to me, if they are his own, then who are strangers to him! I would like the head of state to consider EVERYONE OWN, and not just those from St. Petersburg.

          It is simply amazing his ability to surround himself only with "his" people, no matter how talentless they are (Mutko, Sechin, Kudrin, Medvedev, Chubais, classmates, classmates, a coach ... Paul gathered around him).
          1. Alber
            Alber 6 December 2018 11: 41
            +9
            Quote: Stas157
            his ability to surround himself only with "his" people is amazing, no matter how talentless they are (Mutko, Sechin, Kudrin, Medvedev, Chubais, classmates, classmates, trainers ... Paul gathered around him).

            Against the background of a dull, mediocre environment, he himself looks like the wisest genius ...
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 6 December 2018 14: 11
        +13
        Quote: Stas157
        I would personally trust Strelkova as a commander.

        from Strelkov we make the devil that, and Brilev - a British citizen, is a member of the supervisory board at the Ministry of Defense. From the Central Russian channels broadcast dual citizens Pozner, Soloviev property owners abroad. And how many connections are there in the Kremlin? The article does not raise these issues!
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 6 December 2018 09: 01
      +21
      It seems that the highest "patriotism" is to cheat on another patriot. Then it is necessary to demolish the monument to Strelkov in the Crimea, why are the super-patriots silent? Or did the miners not sit in mines and cafes when the women in Slavyansk stopped Ukrainian armored personnel carriers with their bellies? Or was it not Strelkov who showed that Ukrainian fascism can be successfully resisted with arms in hand? The history of the LPNR is not over yet. And it's too early to vang about the role of Strelkov - during his lifetime the hero of Donbass recognized by the people.
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      2. Detective
        Detective 6 December 2018 09: 56
        -5
        Women with bellies and even slender women will never stop any armored personnel carriers. The options may be different, but all the same men with machine guns and RPGs in their hands stop the enemy equipment. The men must be organized, weapons must be obtained, the "professional passionaries" must be brought to the place to organize all this, and the main thing must be tactically thought out with the use of undercover approaches and, naturally, serious preliminary secret (legendary) events on the spot. Complex! All this requires money and a lot and the will of certain rather big people in high offices! Anyone who talks about such events in the context of women and miners can pay attention to Kharkiv - this is how a popular protest, unorganized by specialists (not accompanied by them) most often ends, or it is completely tragic, like in Odessa! Those of them who from Strelkov are trying to make a lonely Robin Hood better engage in watching the American film of the same name. I do not consider it possible for myself to discuss the personality of Strelkov. I’ll just say that a military officer and even an officer should not get involved in politics. These things are not compatible. You just have to give up something one for the other.
        The problem with our opposition is that it does not exist! Those. there is no constructive opposition, but it is necessary. There are fighters for power, there are agents of influence and their henchmen, there are simply outright enemies, there are all-class fighters in the ranks of both, there is an obligatory element, but there is no opposition!
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 6 December 2018 10: 14
          +24
          Quote: Detective
          which of Strelkov is trying to make a lonely Robin Hood

          and no one is trying to do this. But adequately and fairly assessing a person is a useful thing.
          Quote: Detective
          I’ll just say that a combat officer and just an officer should not go into politics. Things are not compatible.

          that's for sure. Here lieutenant colonel Putin climbed into politics, but would be a successful manager
          Quote: Detective
          The problem with our opposition is that it does not exist!

          thanks to whom? Who emasculated her?
          1. Detective
            Detective 6 December 2018 10: 31
            -11
            Quote: Silvestr
            thanks to whom? Who emasculated her?

            laughing And then emasculated who ?! I would like to hear at least a couple of names and maybe even leaders from the emasculated constructive opposition? Sylvester, you can even take a call to a friend! I really expect from you at least something specific!
            Quote: Silvestr
            I’ll just say that a combat officer and just an officer should not go into politics. Things are not compatible.

            But my phrases, Sylvester, do not need to be taken out of context. This distorts the meaning of what was said. This regular receiver of yours doesn’t look very beautiful and smells like ... In the original there is a final sentence that defines the meaning. You cut it off. And you've already come across such tricks, precious.
            The fact that you are trying to squeeze into any topic your negative attitude to put it mildly towards the president of our country and, in general, towards power is already a parable in languages! Do you need to tell me something about this? Something to comment on this your mmmmm ... inclination or are you up to date?
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 6 December 2018 10: 39
              +16
              Quote: Detective
              trying to squeeze your negative to say the least attitude towards the president

              but I don’t hide it. It is necessary to lie less
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 6 December 2018 10: 44
              +6
              Quote: Detective
              And then emasculated who ?! I would like to hear at least a couple of names and maybe even leaders from the emasculated constructive opposition?

              no matter what color the cat is, if it catches mice.
              1. Detective
                Detective 6 December 2018 10: 57
                -13
                This is the answer?! laughing This, Sylvester, is such an element of anti-government propaganda and nothing more. You voice some kind of thought in the sense of "well-known truth." They ask you - what are you talking about? Who exactly was offended then? In response, aphorisms with funny pictures follow ... Sylvester, but this is a level that is really quite miserable! Let’s repeat - you said that we have simply worn out constructive opposition. At the same time, you answered my statement that we do not have it at all. I asked you a question - who was it? Well, at least give a couple of names? I'll even say the magic word - please! Are you so shy about naming your liberal idols?
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 6 December 2018 12: 27
                  +7
                  Quote: Detective
                  Are you so shy about calling your liberal idols?

                  my liberal god
                  1. Detective
                    Detective 6 December 2018 13: 44
                    -2
                    Dostoevsky read about your gods! winked Dostoevsky said a lot about the so-called "Russian" liberals who hate Russia. Putin, on the other hand, speaks of liberalism in its canonical understanding, as a philosophical and socio-political movement about the rights and freedoms of citizens! Are you against this, what do you have? Don’t slide down to Sylvester to complete primitivism! Straight uncomfortable for you the right word ...
                    1. New Year day
                      New Year day 6 December 2018 13: 47
                      +5
                      Quote: Detective
                      Putin, however, speaks of liberalism in its canonical understanding, as a philosophical and socio-political current about the rights and freedoms of citizens!

                      his canons are getting worse and worse. Maybe I would go to university to teach canons?
                      "Theory without practice is dead, and the tree of life is lush green"
                2. Detective
                  Detective 6 December 2018 13: 46
                  +1
                  Wow?! Already 12 cons !!! laughing Direct rampant liberalism !!! What, comrades, hurt you for the living?
                  1. Halado Romane
                    Halado Romane 6 December 2018 14: 02
                    -5
                    Igor is a friend, well, of course you hurt them! They really cannot even say something in return, except how to slogan slogans and display pictures! You insulted them to the very depths of their souls. You said that all-propagandists are an integral part of all anti-state forces and, moreover, you said that we have no opposition at all, there’s a fifth column and there are simply those who are eager for power and have the only purpose in this! Bravo, Igor !!! You're doing fine! I sincerely say this. Not only that, what you write, I give reading to friends and acquaintances. And they ask me at a meeting, how's the Investigator? Is there anything else to read? With agromic pleasure I read your today's notes in a historical subject! Thank you friend! You can only be proud of your cons! Put more of them to the Detective, people will read it more!
                    1. Detective
                      Detective 6 December 2018 14: 16
                      -1
                      Quote: Halado romane
                      Thank you friend! You can only be proud of your cons!

                      Thanks for the support and help, Halado! I'll call you on Saturday.
                  2. New Year day
                    New Year day 6 December 2018 14: 11
                    +4
                    Quote: Detective
                    Direct rampant liberalism !!! What, comrades, hurt you for the living?

                    you have an inversion, Igor. Just against liberalism in the form that your god teaches
                    1. Detective
                      Detective 6 December 2018 14: 25
                      -4
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      you have an inversion, Igor. Just against liberalism in the form that your god teaches

                      I have one God, just like the Orthodox faith is one! My Serbian friends say - God is in heaven on earth, Russia! And in this I fully support them! And you can make your lace as much as you like - a hopeless business. Put the pictures or something else ... Don't write poems? Within the framework of the law, only please. I am very glad, sincerely, that we have such an "opposition"! Well, as if the opposition ... laughing Slogans, pictures ... Keep up the good work!
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          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 6 December 2018 12: 01
            -6
            Quote: Silvestr
            thanks to whom? Who emasculated her?

            Ahem ... as I understand it, the government must also create an opposition for itself, and then cherish it and cherish it?
            I’m directly imagining how Vladimir Ilyich tearfully complains about the damned tsarist regime that does not support his party and emasculated. laughing
        2. Vladimir 5
          Vladimir 5 8 December 2018 23: 44
          +2
          Here the swami will disagree. Military officers should go into politics when the fatherland needs it. Here the generals of the USSR did not go into politics, so we have Chubais with Gaidars in power and a state destroyed and plundered (by special efforts and with the help of Soviet enemies) ... And General Rokhlev went into politics, so he was immediately killed, because they understood the possibilities and the danger of the military Yeltsin family (and possibly killed on the advice of the same Tsrushny "advisers") ...
      3. AUL
        AUL 6 December 2018 10: 08
        +14
        In fact, one should first read the arguments of Strelkov and Sivkov in the original, and not in the interpretation of the authors of this article. And then make up your mind. And then somehow he gives up Solovyov’s.
        1. Detective
          Detective 6 December 2018 10: 18
          -11
          And how does what the authors wrote differ from the fact that we have been hearing from Strelkov for more than one year ?! I never thought that I would say this, but in this context I have no desire to argue with the authors. Yes, yes it happens apparently. Himself in shock! laughing
      4. New Year day
        New Year day 6 December 2018 10: 11
        +23
        Quote: siberalt
        It seems that the highest "patriotism" is to cheat on another patriot.

        no, they just want to prove that they are more "patriotic".
        Well, it’s so convenient to be a patriot on the couch, and Strelkov took it and went to the Donbass. I am not going to discuss Strelkov’s personality, but drowning him in mud is not patriotic for sure.
        If you remember, then it was he who in the early days led the resistance in the Donbass. While the Russian authorities were thinking “what to do,” he answered this question even then.
        And then these fighters became objectionable to the authorities - "the Moor has done his job, the Moor can leave"
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 6 December 2018 10: 02
      +3
      Well, Andrei, they said - both ours and yours, understand how you want.
  2. samarin1969
    samarin1969 6 December 2018 06: 17
    +15
    Better to "overlook" the security issue. Regular Russian ("non-Girkin") channels provide information on the activity of the US fleet and drones in the Black Sea and the Pacific Ocean.
    1. domokl
      domokl 6 December 2018 06: 27
      -11
      "To overlook", you say ... In fact, this very "overlook" costs a lot of money. Our money. If we follow this logic, then we must invest all our money in this very thing ... We have to "clear out" from any part of the country. The Northern Sea Route is already interesting to the West. The East is interesting to the Japanese. The Chinese border is largely guarded by two hundred and two border guards. There is generally war in the south. In the West, NATO ...
      The calculation of such transfers to the average layman. not familiar with military affairs above the rank and file and sergeant. Guard. May attack ...
      There is a fully justified doctrine of necessary sufficiency.
      In general, during the Second World War, the alarmists were shot along with the traitors ...
      1. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 6 December 2018 06: 43
        +7
        How in the 1941th? what
      2. samarin1969
        samarin1969 6 December 2018 06: 43
        +25
        Quote: domokl
        Actually, this is the most "outbid" costs a lot of money.

        As a man in the street, instead of shows, "films" and "forums", I would like not to reduce, but to increase the military budget of the Russian Federation. For security is more urgent ... Of course it's too early to dig trenches, but it doesn't interfere with "building" the whining oligarchs, strengthening the "vertical" of power in the regions. ... The speeches of politicians in general raise doubts that the Russian Federation is going to defend itself.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 6 December 2018 09: 58
          +8
          ... The speeches of politicians generally raise doubts that the Russian Federation is going to defend itself.
          I’ve been saying this for a long time.
        2. igorbrsv
          igorbrsv 6 December 2018 14: 55
          +1
          Nevertheless, it is better to dig trenches in advance.
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      4. Lopatov
        Lopatov 6 December 2018 07: 23
        +24
        Quote: domokl
        Actually, this is the most "outbid" costs a lot of money. Our money.

        Personally, I have huge doubts about the effectiveness of spending this very "huge money" ....

        Quote: domokl
        In general, during the Second World War, the alarmists were shot along with the traitors ...

        That's how the USSR and about .. or. Nobody wanted to be known as an alarmist, nobody wanted to rock the boat
        1. Ehanatone
          Ehanatone 6 December 2018 09: 13
          -8
          Fs fso distort
      5. Olgovich
        Olgovich 6 December 2018 07: 49
        +20
        Quote: domokl
        Actually, this is the most "outbid" costs a lot of money.

        Undeveloped costs much more money. And not only money ...
      6. victor50
        victor50 6 December 2018 08: 51
        +6
        Quote: domokl
        There is a fully justified doctrine of necessary sufficiency.
        In general, during World War II, alarmists were shot along with traitors

        Quote: domokl
        The Northern Sea Route is already interesting to the West. The East is interesting to the Japanese. The Chinese border is largely guarded by one hundred and two border guards. In the south, in general, war. In the West, NATO ...

        When there was a time, in your opinion, "it costs a lot of money" (I mean the period of the powerful USSR), all of your designated interests may have arisen, but they quickly flowed somewhere under the plinth, to the level of unrealizable fantasies. It is not always "overdoing" or spending money, which may seem excessive, is objectively harmful. My life would be calmer and I would live now if I still knew that no one would attack us, would not even try to behave insolently, if I had not lost my mind! And the USSR did not come to this state of more or less calm immediately after the war. Until the 60s, they tried to probe, because objectively we did not have a lot at that time, including weapons. And the "friends" thought there was a chance.
        Maybe if we did not reduce defense spending, we would not have to send troops to Syria, it would be different in Donbas !? And money for this would not have to be spent and sought, incl. raising the retirement age (it looks like a lot of spending under the doctrine of reasonable sufficiency ?!). Maybe it would be enough to say to "friends": "Sha!" - or even just whisper in your ear.
        1. Ehanatone
          Ehanatone 6 December 2018 09: 16
          +2
          + + + +
          And a LOT more, just because ...
          1. Ehanatone
            Ehanatone 6 December 2018 09: 16
            +2
            When there was a time, in your opinion called "it costs a lot of money" (I mean the period of the powerful USSR), all of you designated
      7. Stas157
        Stas157 6 December 2018 09: 10
        +15
        Quote: domokl
        during World War II, alarmists were shot along with traitors ...

        So let's shoot Strelkova and everyone who dared to criticize !! What do you want?
        Let me remind you that panic occurs against the background of a lack of reliable information. This means because of such haters, panic actually arises. At first, everyone shouted rya and forbid criticism. Then harsh reality returns everything to its place. And people do not understand, why did everything so bad happen, because everything was wonderful! And there is a panic.
        The matter is compounded by real alarmists, who, taking advantage of the lack of information, sow panic rumors. Let me remind you that for panic, you also need an extreme situation, which is not there right now. Therefore, calling ordinary criticism an alarmist, you simply replace concepts.
      8. New Year day
        New Year day 6 December 2018 10: 19
        +15
        Quote: domokl
        Actually, this is the most "outbid" costs a lot of money. Our money.

        after so many of our money stolen, not without the help of those in power, the question of security is not an issue. Now, if the "patriots" stopped the plunder of the country, and did not lead it, then the issue of money would not be so acute.
        It's too late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys have fallen off.
        Quote: domokl
        In general, during the Second World War, the alarmists were shot along with the traitors ...

        .... and looters too
  3. Vanek
    Vanek 6 December 2018 06: 22
    +7
    Otherwise your supporters*, whom you deceived, they will then take you to the chopping block and uplifted with pleasure.

    * What is true is true. Traitors do not like.

    But even those for whose sake they were betrayed, you (the traitor) are also not very special. On their part, it looks like this:

    “You betrayed them, so you can give us too.”

    A bullet in the forehead and the road to the next world.

    Traitor! Do not forget about it.

    hi
  4. dirk182
    dirk182 6 December 2018 06: 25
    -13
    Article plus is unambiguous!
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 6 December 2018 06: 35
    +7
    Most readers did not pay attention to the fact that the British fleet received approval from Kiev for temporary base in Odessa.
    .... Why didn't they pay, they turned ... The news on VO was ... discussed ... And it's pure coincidence that an English ship entered, a week before the incident in the Kerch Strait ... or a little more ... And the appointment of a new military adviser to the United States, in Ukraine, about a month before the events in the strait, was also noticed in the news on VO ... boiler and how it will be done ... And you can simply make links to many articles on VO and send it by e-mail to the correspondent in the conditional Uryupinsk ... Without asking: "Do you have a Slavic wardrobe for sale? The wardrobe has already been sold, I can offer a nickel-plated bed with a bedside table .. "
  6. Per se.
    Per se. 6 December 2018 06: 40
    +28
    There is a saying - "forewarned is forearmed." What is the “sedition” of statements by Igor Strelkov (Girkin) and, along with him, Konstantin Sivkov? So, the title of the article can be turned, for example, "Whom and, most importantly, why are true patriots NOT frightened with war (calmed)?" The Donbass is full of problems, and the situation is getting more complicated. Is not it? If this is not the case, then you need to present your scenario, but how it will really be, why, in fact, Strelkov's fears are groundless. "Hello, the third world war, the instigators of which will be we as the aggressor," and what should be done if an invasion of Donbass begins? What should be done if the second act is the return of Crimea, with the active approval of the legal aspect of this in the European Union and the United States? Our Sberbank does not go to Crimea, fearing sanctions, so whose territory is this for our (or not our) Sberbank? Where is patriotism, national interests, where is selfish, personal? So the question, "What to do?", Is always relevant in Russia, especially with the dependence of our capital on the benevolence of the Americans, whatever happens, as with Saddam Hussein's accounts. I will summarize here with a remark from the commentary of Konstantin Viktorovich (samarin1969), - "It is better to override" the security issue. "
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 6 December 2018 08: 49
      -8
      In Sberbank, all of Russia holds money. So it's better to overdo it.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 6 December 2018 10: 20
      +12
      Quote: Per se.
      What is the “sedition” of statements by Igor Strelkov (Girkin) and, along with him, Konstantin Sivkov?

      that they said it. Now, if Medvedev said, then the real truth
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 December 2018 06: 49
    +8
    explain to your own people, and to the Minister of Defense and the President a couple where the war should be
    I doubt that the Minister of Defense and the Supreme know this. The General Staff will not share its plans and capabilities with the population, which the authors are well aware of.
  8. apro
    apro 6 December 2018 07: 24
    +22
    Today, the government of the state poses a greater threat to the people of Russia than external enemies. With its anti-people’s actions, they caused more damage than Agitler could.
    By cultivating external enemies, they divert the attention of the population from pressing problems. Justifying anti-popular economic decrees. Like raising prices and infringing social rights.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 6 December 2018 08: 49
      -13
      Quote: apro
      By cultivating external enemies, they divert the attention of the population from pressing problems

      I agree.

      Quote: apro
      justifying anti-popular economic decrees. like price increases and infringement of social rights.

      I do not agree.

      Can you get the number and date of the Decree? Is it really said in "May"?
      Or maybe it's all the same laws that the elected Duma adopted by us?

      ps
      Regarding the fact that Putin could not sign. Firstly, he couldn’t, and secondly, but why do our chosen ones accept such laws? And in the end, do you propose Putin to ignore the will of the people on behalf of whom the deputies speak?
      1. ruigat
        ruigat 6 December 2018 09: 26
        +13
        And in the end, do you propose Putin to ignore the will of the people on behalf of whom the deputies speak?

        Thus, the hired manager of the Russian oligarchy does not ignore the will of "his" people, but ordinary people in the Russian Federation have no will, because referendums are prohibited.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 6 December 2018 09: 39
          -17
          Quote: ruigat
          and ordinary people in the Russian Federation have no will, because referenda are prohibited.

          But is the presidential election in which the people 4 times voted for Putin, is this not an analogue of the referendum?

          Quote: ruigat
          for referenda are prohibited.

          Who told you this?
          1. ruigat
            ruigat 6 December 2018 09: 44
            +10
            But is the presidential election in which the people 4 times voted for Putin, is this not an analogue of the referendum?

            No, this is an analogue of the game of thimbles.
            Who told you this?

            Those who tried to hold a referendum on pension reform. Not tired of licking shoes to the oligarchy of the Russian Federation?
            1. victor50
              victor50 6 December 2018 10: 34
              +3
              Quote: ruigat
              No, this is an analogue of the game of thimbles.
              Who told you this?

              Those who tried to hold a referendum on pension reform. Not tired of licking shoes to the oligarchy of the Russian Federation?

              Well you! His position obliges !!! Although ... Sometimes (well, very often!) He makes it so stupid and clumsy that I start to think - is he really sincere !? request
          2. Alex 74
            Alex 74 9 December 2018 19: 54
            +1
            I saw how these people in the villages were forced to vote for this "president" .... Better shut up. Otherwise, people's love will turn out sideways for you ...
      2. apro
        apro 6 December 2018 09: 49
        +8
        I do not agree.

        Can you get the number and date of the Decree? Is it really said in "May"?
        Or maybe it's all the same laws that the elected Duma adopted by us?
        What galaxy are you from? Are you watching prices? Tobacco has risen. The reason is raising the excise tax. The fuel is getting more expensive. The reason is raising the excise tax. Retirement age has raised the reason they have little money ...
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 6 December 2018 10: 40
          -9
          Quote: apro
          Are you watching prices? Tobacco has risen. Cause is raising the excise tax. Is getting more expensive. Reason is the increase in excise tax. Retirement age has raised the reason they have little money ...

          Is all this done by decree or by law?

          Laws are adopted by the Duma. Decrees are issued by the president.

          Our whole life is regulated by laws. In the USSR there were some laws, now others. The laws were passed not by general secretaries and presidents, but by parliaments! Legislative power (Duma) in its status is higher than executive (presidential) power.

          I wonder why you are so defending the Edrosovskaya Duma? Why is the only person who has opposed raising the retirement age for many years turned into the only accused of this increase?
      3. NordUral
        NordUral 6 December 2018 09: 53
        +8
        Regarding the fact that Putin could not sign. Firstly, he couldn’t, and secondly, but why do our chosen ones accept such laws? And in the end, do you propose Putin to ignore the will of the people on behalf of whom the deputies speak?
        That's bullshit!
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 6 December 2018 08: 52
      -11
      Yes, whining more than a NATO soldier.
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 6 December 2018 10: 23
      +11
      Quote: apro
      Today, the government of the state poses a greater threat to the people of Russia than external enemies

      the entire vertical, each individually and as a whole, is doing everything for the negative attitude of the country's population towards it. If something happens in the country, it is "thanks" to wise managers.
  9. g_ae
    g_ae 6 December 2018 07: 30
    +10
    How interesting. It seems that Russian patriotism is becoming more and more like a religion. There is an official United Russia-Soloviev-Kiselyov patriotism (this is the official version). But there are all sorts of currents and sects (Girkinskiy, Kprfovsky, Navalnensky, Kudrin and Chubais probably also have their own version of patriotism). And all the opposite side is considered heretics and traitors. And the relationship is appropriate. And all for the good of Russia sometimes do completely opposite things. In accordance with his understanding, naturally.
    1. asar
      asar 6 December 2018 08: 10
      +8
      And I have my own "religion": To love my Motherland, To forever remember those who gave us Freedom in 1945, To remember their exploits forever, to tell our grandchildren, and to work!
      Power comes and goes! But the homeland remains!
      1. g_ae
        g_ae 6 December 2018 11: 32
        +16
        How I envy you. The beauty of religion is that you don't have to think, doubt, and be critical. I believe because it is absurd. I can not. My homeland is the Soviet Union. Power has changed - the Motherland is gone. What happened - I better keep silent. Small Homeland? Keep away from me. Parents fled back in the 70s. There are almost no Russians left. Nafig. Further. According to the official version, you were given freedom in 1991. Before that there was darkness, dirt, darkness, squalor. All films of recent years, all official historians tell about this. In short, refer to the materials of the Yeltsin Center. This is now Russia's official source of ideology. Everyone there knows. All achievements of the pre-1991 period are not thanks to, but in spite of. By the way, the Victory is also despite the accursed Stalin, the people won. Well, I won. Corpses were thrown stupidly. (This is not what I say, I say right away. This is a completely official point of view. Mainstream, so to speak. The guarantor does not burn things like that). You can go with children and grandchildren with portraits and ribbons in front of the eyes of the Guarantor. But you do not need to deceive yourself. Was it for the sake of what is happening now in the country that ancestors were dying? There is no point in remembering the Feats, if the thing in the name of which they died was transferred and sold. So. Religious event. And how to explain this to grandchildren? Not convincing. And they don't need it. They have completely different examples before their eyes. And the school with the TV is taught differently. No, of course, the largest fortunes of the Russian oligarchs were formed (the language does not dare say "earned"), including at the expense of their lives. For 30 years, the legacy has been sawn. It would not hurt to tell the grandchildren about this. You were told in Russian that the country does not need thinking people. The country needs qualified consumers. And what about work. And you tell the former employees of some optimized enterprise or institution.
        1. g_ae
          g_ae 6 December 2018 11: 34
          +8
          By the way, both the Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank and the government are plowing, even the fur coat is wrapping up. And the result? Cancer cells are also very industrious.
    2. Ehanatone
      Ehanatone 6 December 2018 09: 23
      +3
      Why rse Kudrin rinse, I would have paid more attention to the head of the Security Council
  10. lelik613
    lelik613 6 December 2018 07: 50
    +9
    Bravo! So you can’t have an opinion other than enthusiastic and go exclusively in line? Put your head in the ass like an ostrich and tremble in anticipation of what BU will say! It is so tight. Thanks to the authors, it seems they said more than they wanted. You are counted, measured and found light. I can no longer consider you as independent experts. Finally: Read Ilyich, it suddenly becomes relevant "It is impossible to live in society and be free from society. The freedom of a bourgeois writer, artist, actress is only a disguised (or hypocritically disguised) dependence on a money bag, on bribery, on content."
    IN AND. Lenin
    PARTY ORGANIZATION AND PARTY LITERATURE
    (1905)
  11. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 6 December 2018 07: 59
    +11
    The authors are against whipping up panic, but they are not at all aware that the development of a strategic and tactical situation may follow a negative scenario. Unfortunately, there are millions of examples and therefore such forecasts must also be considered to reduce these very negative consequences. The more terrible the probable consequences, the "louder" it is necessary to speak about it, these are not hysterics, but an ordinary method of verbal influence. For example, are pictures of rotten insides on cigarettes hysterical and panic or are they not?
  12. Digital error
    Digital error 6 December 2018 08: 01
    +13
    the task of the patriot is to explain to his own people, and to the minister of defense with the president for a couple where there should be war. And why does the enemy necessarily start this war according to the indicated scenario?

    When the Empire (Rome, USSR / Russia, USA) cannot be destroyed from the outside, it is destroyed from the inside, including its own inaction.
    1. Ehanatone
      Ehanatone 6 December 2018 09: 32
      -2
      Since the average inhabitant of the PSA, it is impossible to worry about problems beyond the nearest gas station, your comment is not intended for him ...
      So please, the bot, get the thread away ...
      It would be better to go back to FSA ...
      And there, powder your brains ..
  13. Stils
    Stils 6 December 2018 09: 15
    +10
    This article is what? Personal files of Girkin / Sivkov? Authors themselves should be advised to record an interview on the topic of the Kerch provocation, and we will look and draw conclusions who is a true patriot, and who is a proverbial and hysterical.
  14. ovaleon
    ovaleon 6 December 2018 09: 19
    +16
    Sasha and Roma, what are you talking about now? Want to say don't panic? Yes, there is no need to panic - panic is the last thing in the war. And we are in the war guys. Did not notice? It's a pity! You advise our grandfathers "not to succumb to provocation, they will not dare", and the multimillion army is already on the verge. Didn’t you notice again? When the Leader says with tragedy in his voice: “brothers and sisters,” I hope it will not be too late ... But for some reason, my heart sank, not for myself, for my grandchildren.
    Shit on decency and caution, we are in the last trench, nowhere to retreat - retreated. Nothing to say - they do not know pity.
    And the leader is “all is well, in the long run they will lose.” No need to cheat and cheat. Yes, a soldier is not supposed to know the strategic plans of the command, to anything, but that he should be informed that the soldier in the war. And they pour semolina into our ears. People are not fools, they understand everything, especially the older generation, but why fool us? Where are we going? To battle or to full, to slavery. Unclear! From this and a nervous reaction. I do not share the position of either Girkin or Sivkov, but I understand their anxiety. Their position is more understandable and logical than the position of the authorities - we say one thing, do the exact opposite and periodically try to push the people in: "you stay there." We are holding on, but you are the commanders where? or with whom? here is the question.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 6 December 2018 09: 48
      +9
      When Leader? he will say with tragedy in his voice: “brothers and sisters,” I hope it will not be too late ... But for some reason, my heart sank, not for myself, for my grandchildren.

      I agree with your assessment as a whole, but we have a problem with the leader.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 6 December 2018 16: 46
        0
        This leader does not have brothers and sisters at all.
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 6 December 2018 17: 12
      0
      Too nervous. You need to calmly evaluate everything and then make a decision: what to do?
  15. Larum
    Larum 6 December 2018 09: 20
    -9
    Scare - because the dough they want. Noticed how many strange experts appeared?
    wherever you stick, everywhere experts. Often bald. And there are bearded ones. Sometimes Ukrainians, and on TV. Sometimes Jews.
    And they seek to teach everyone and everything, up to Putin ....
  16. Snail N9
    Snail N9 6 December 2018 09: 35
    +12
    Russia protects its "pipe" - the pumping of natural resources abroad - only there and directed all its economic and political resources. However, the pipe is an anchor of Russia to the west, stronger than the anchor chain near the ship, it does not allow Russia to maneuver in the open sea area, it (Russia) only dangles from side to side on this chain from the change of wind, currents and sways on the wave when other ships calmly, pass by. Serving a pipe directed abroad, Russia is completely dependent on foreign consumers and it’s funny for me to read when they try to prove that Russia is capable of pursuing, under these conditions, some kind of “sovereign,” foreign policy of its own. wink
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 6 December 2018 17: 16
      +1
      Yes, each seller depends on the buyers, and the manufacturer depends on the sellers. It’s completely normal to sell what you have.
  17. NordUral
    NordUral 6 December 2018 09: 45
    +10
    Immediately after the incident in the Kerch Strait, we came across an interesting such channel in the Internet - “Stalingrad”. Already by name it is clear that the channel is patriotic. Although, to be honest, completely unknown. Is it not enough on the open spaces of the network of such channels and blogs?

    Do not dissemble, authors, you know this channel very well, I won’t believe the opposite. I watched this video and did not see Strelkov's narcissism described in it.
    Strelkov and K. Sivkov gave a very realistic forecast of the development of events in the Donbass.
    1. Stils
      Stils 6 December 2018 09: 55
      +8
      That's right. I’ll competently and do it. The provocation in Transnistria or the blockade is quite real. This is even more obvious than a direct attack by the republics, as It will be much harder for Russia to decide, incl. military way tasks in this region.
      1. g_ae
        g_ae 6 December 2018 10: 04
        +15
        It is an adequate broadcast with adequate experts who voiced the likely course of events. What's wrong? I do not think that the FSB colonel, who has real combat experience, is more stupid than the KGB colonel with an ambiguous past and, all the more, an ambiguous present and a vague future.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 6 December 2018 10: 25
          +17
          Quote: g_ae
          that a FSB colonel who has real combat experience is dumber than a KGB colonel with a mixed past

          one of them defended civilians, and the second a club. Do you catch the difference?
          1. g_ae
            g_ae 6 December 2018 10: 36
            +10
            I completely catch it. But the authors of the article, it seems, are not very.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 6 December 2018 16: 51
              +2
              But the authors of the article quite catch that those in power will notice them and perhaps caress, i.e. make them new kissels or nightingales.
  18. Indifferent
    Indifferent 6 December 2018 10: 00
    +17
    Strelkov-Girkin, to many of our skoromokhs, like a bone in the throat. The man essentially started armed resistance in the Donetsk region, and held out to the last. I ran away when I realized that there would be no help. But help came, albeit with a great delay, otherwise Slavyansk would have been the territory of the DPR and there would have been no shelling of Donetsk and the airport worth several billion greenbacks would have remained intact. And most likely fewer people died. He risked his life and health, and now every sofa expert "has his duty" to kick him at least in passing! What kind of people do we have? In fact, the HERO was smeared with poop and is still not left alone !!!
    1. Ural resident
      Ural resident 6 December 2018 12: 24
      +7
      but he did not run away - he got out of the trap, avoiding guaranteed destruction. After another operation, he carried out - for example, he punched a corridor across the border with Russia. And they removed him simply because Donbass was supposed to be ruled by "his own" who was born there. Help was a condition of his departure. After they had set up their own, the "north wind" came.
      1. Meshcheryak
        Meshcheryak 6 December 2018 12: 46
        +5
        Quote: Resident of the Urals
        but he did not run away - he got out of the trap, avoiding guaranteed destruction. After another operation, he carried out - for example, he punched a corridor across the border with Russia. And they removed him simply because Donbass was supposed to be ruled by "his own" who was born there. Help was a condition of his departure. After they had set up their own, the "north wind" came.

        Yes, you are absolutely right, removed him against his will, because was already objectionable. And many who did not want to get out or were too independent in politics ended badly. And now there MMMemovets is in control of everyone, who knows how to serve oligarchs very well, and from the election they made comedy better than dill!
        For example, Zakhar Prilepin comments a bit here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gBGCC8S5mk
  19. AleBors
    AleBors 6 December 2018 10: 59
    +9
    I have a dialectical attitude towards Strelkov-Girkin. But, firstly, do not forget that for some time, so to speak, he personified the "Russian spring", and secondly, as a person has the right to his own opinion. If it (opinion) is at odds with that of other subjects, then this is not Strelkov's problem.
  20. forest park 86
    forest park 86 6 December 2018 11: 36
    +1
    Shooters with Girkin are still those experts of course. Yes, we have VKS. But so far only our planes are being shot down
  21. lukewarm
    lukewarm 6 December 2018 11: 37
    +4
    I read it with pleasure, but the authors are apparently overwhelmed with emotions:
    Otherwise, your supporters, whom you deceived, will then take you to the chopping block and uplift with pleasure.

    On the block, heads are chopped off. There will be nothing to pull back)))
  22. Ural resident
    Ural resident 6 December 2018 12: 20
    +12
    Strelkova listen constantly, something I did not hear a lie from his lips. Why is this an attack on Girkin? He is one of the few who can adequately express his non-liberal and not Ur-patriotic vision, moreover, being in opposition to our current government. The person, of course, is very odious and specific, yes, he is narcissistic and is mistaken in many matters, and may God forbid him to take some kind of leadership position with real power. About the fact that he left Slavyansk - he himself has repeatedly explained about the impossibility of further defense. And he did the right thing, as I understand it, many would like to see him there heroically killed with the entire garrison, by the way, by many heroes of the Donbass, including Motorola. No, he acted absolutely strategically correctly - he pulled himself together and got out of the attack in order to fight further. Who was to blame that there was absolutely no support? And unlike many talkers on the Internet, he was one of the first to defend the Donbass, organized resistance and practically changed the plans of the local oligarchs to drain the uprising. So do not drive on Strelkova.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 6 December 2018 13: 15
      +4
      Why is this an attack on Girkin?

      To what? Probably to the fact that the government does not tolerate any opponents to its political influence, is it not clear that a little, some of the more or less intelligent, begins to "raise their heads", so "patriots-kremlebots" immediately attack him, and how from TV screens, and on the Internet, pouring slop on it, "rummaging in dirty linen" (and, what is strange is absolutely not embarrassed, but tirelessly repeating that this is unacceptable in relation to the authorities and supporters of the regime) -type "he is not that- he is "repainted" - do not believe him! "," he is not a real patriot, he has his own interests! "," look, he had in the past ....! " and so on. Or "look, he has money abroad! He is not a real rogue! -that means he is not for the people, since he has money!" , "a real patriot cannot have money!" .... well, in the same spirit. This article is from the same "opera" - those in power will not tolerate any competition.
    2. Nestorych
      Nestorych 6 December 2018 13: 59
      +3
      Because Mr. Skomorokhov belongs toli to the sect of Starikov, or Fedorov.
  23. Meshcheryak
    Meshcheryak 6 December 2018 12: 35
    +8
    Mdaaa ... This is the first article by the authors, which I would put a minus! I always read your articles with pleasure, Alexander and Roman shared your position, but with Igor you went too far, he did not deserve it. I also have an ambiguous attitude towards him, but mostly respectful. As for the "Stalingrad" channel, I always watch it like "Spets" and this is not a supernumerary channel, by the way, there is also a topic about the Kuriles.
  24. Fox
    Fox 6 December 2018 12: 53
    +5
    It is better to listen to Strelkov himself:
  25. BAI
    BAI 6 December 2018 13: 52
    -2
    Today you can be a patriot not only with a plus sign, but also with a minus sign?

    Why today?
    The phrase "Patriotism is the last refuge of villains" appeared on April 7, 1775.
  26. Nestorych
    Nestorych 6 December 2018 13: 57
    +3
    What a sooo selective view. The elephant, or rather the klikush of war, raging on the first channels did not even notice, such as sending everyone to paradise, too, but saw a small "Stalingrad". laughing
  27. Kito
    Kito 6 December 2018 14: 13
    -1
    I respect Strelkov as a soldier. But I despise Mr. Girkin, who is a supporter of the restoration of the monarchy and balabol.
    He was not noticed in the special skills of military art, only in nagging and a desire to pull the Russian Federation into a military conflict. For which he was asked to return to his homeland. or maybe they just kicked him out for hysterical statements.
    PS I repeat that citizen Girkin is so overwhelmed that even in his own biography he admits incidents, it is still not clear to me how to retire from the FSB colonel from sergeant posts (while volunteering to help fraternal peoples). or I don’t understand anything or ...
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 6 December 2018 18: 29
      +1
      Quote: Kito
      I don’t understand how in a short time from sergeant posts (at the same time volunteering to help fraternal peoples) retire as an FSB colonel. or I don’t understand anything or ...

      People's Mayor of Slavyansk Vyacheslav Ponomarev: “They wipe Slavyansk from history, try to forget”
      Wednesday, 13 April 2016 Liza Reznikova
      - Why was Slavyansk left?
      - Slavyansk was left as a result of the conspiracy of Girkin and the Armed Forces of Ukraine. This is betrayal and cowardice, no matter what the former commander in chief would say there, no one already believes him. There is evidence of militias from his personal guard, officers of the SBU (including operating ones), facts and indirect evidence. When Slavyansk and six cities were surrendered without a fight to the enemy, almost half of the territory withdrew to the junta, and the militia's morale fell. Having gone to Donetsk, he was preparing to surrender there. As an optimist, I hope for a fair assessment of Girkin’s actions by the court.
      - How did you feel about the fact that your city was surrendered to Ukrainian troops?
      When they left the city, I was informed about this 20 minutes before loading. At that moment I was under arrest. The exit itself was poorly organized, it was more like an escape. Left a lot of ammunition, ammunition, food. Almost new KAMAZs remained on the territory of the aviation school. At headquarters, the lists of militias were not destroyed, they all went to the Armed Forces. At separate checkpoints, the order to leave the city was not brought. In the cells of the pre-trial detention center, up to twenty militiamen remained arrested, the guys managed to open the doors of the cells and escape. As one of the SBU officers later said, it was part of an agreement to surrender the city. All this, other than betrayal, can not be called.
      Taken here:
      http://antifashist.com/item/vyacheslav-ponomaryov-slavyansk-byl-ostavlen-v-rezultate-sgovora-strelkova-i-vsu-ocenku-etomu-dolzhen-dat-sud.html
  28. Cop
    Cop 6 December 2018 18: 07
    +5
    You are Mr. Skomorokhov as usual ..... in shock ....
    Have you ever thought that today you can be a patriot not only with a plus sign, but also with a minus sign?
    But is the author different at different times? So I always thought that patriotism is like .... pregnancy.
    ... And perhaps a provocateur who pushes him further, into war, into revolution, into chaos. And all this is from a fully conscious and even hypertrophied patriotism.
    Here Strelkov, in my opinion it was on http://novorus.info/, said that if Russia had not intervened in the conflict in Donbass, then everything would have ended with a couple of hundred Russian corpses and now it would be quiet and smooth , yes "thromodyanskaya mova". So who is pushing whom where?
    Immediately make a reservation that the patriotism of Vlasov, Solzhenitsyn, Rezun and others, we do not consider patriotism at all.
    Then I have a question, and whose patriotism do you consider ..... real patriotism?
    Moreover, proving the need for war exactly where he considers it possible, the “patriot” will trump knowledge of the situation in military units and formations and the location of combat units. Without realizing it, the “patriot” does the work of the special units of the enemy. Not all, but enough of many.
    Listen, did you forget the scandal with ..... forgot the surname of this woman who sent an SMS about the nomination, it seems it was the 82nd radio technical team and against which a case was opened for the disclosure of state secrets. A scandal erupted and our president was forced to intervene, saying that thousands of people saw it .... And you, the author turns out against our president?
    Naturally, the ideal option for the manifestation of such patriotism will be the one where a person who has weight in the eyes of some part of the population, a person known for his military merit, a person "on hearing" will be talking about the impending misfortune. And better just two such people. Or three ...

    And you and your co-author, that Slavyansk was defended? "Strelkov" had a real opportunity to be "dug" somewhere on the side of the road Slavyansk - Donetsk. And you and your co-author, the only thing that can threaten you is to drop an open can of beer on the "keyboard". However, you did not hesitate ... to talk about patriotism.
    This material lay down in my head for a long time and persistently did not want to go out.
    In my opinion it would be better not to go out ....
    But expert Girkin Strelkov would not have been if he had not made a tragedy from these 12 watches. And the tragedy of the all-Russian scale. I will quote close to the text: “So, you can invade our territory, and no one can make a decision. 08.08.08 was the same in Georgia when our peacekeeping battalion was watered with 10 hours of fire. ”
    The shooters are right, it was our guarantor who kept his warriors for 12 hours, and continues to keep them here and in Syria.
    .... APU will do its best to attack Donetsk, and, while we’ll think what to do for 10 hours, they will take all LDNR and stand on the Ukrainian-Russian border!
    And you mean you think that the APU will enter the battle in units of its forces .... Strelkov is right again. And if the "north-east wind" does not blow, they will rise.
    You know, you read these predictions and there is a feeling that the authors of these calculations are simply eager to "mayak" Kiev about the most convenient place for the next provocation.
    Well, yes, they are alone in Kiev and *** you, who just do what they expect when Mr. Strelkov ..... will give out operational plans for the 1st and 2nd AK-in LDNR.
    How do you conclusions? Shooters crazy? Or do not have information about the Russian VKS? Well no. Owns Apparently, he really wants it to happen ...
    You remind me of a Soviet political leader somewhere in the Belarusian special military district on the eve of the Second World War, who also called not to succumb to provocations and who disappeared on the "Bialystok ledge" in the first week of the war. Yes, and hr ... n would be with people like you, but personally I feel sorry for the former Russian soldiers of the 14th Army and who are now called peacekeepers. Just as I felt sorry for those who were poured with fire on 10 in Tskhinvali for 08.08.08 hours and who remained there forever and no one avenged them ...
    Hello, the third world war, the instigators of which we will be as an aggressor! Why?
    So you propose that you withdraw the Russian peacekeepers from Transnistria and there will be no war. Well, we, your ..... patriotism will appreciate .....
    It is worth remembering this, especially to the one who, without looking back, ran twice like a Napoleon from Moscow. Of course, Slavyansk and Donetsk are not like Moscow, but still ...
    Vague doubts begin to torment me that you, the author, together with the co-author, would also have fled Moscow, as thousands of Soviet citizens did on 16.10.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX ..........
  29. turbris
    turbris 6 December 2018 18: 41
    -1
    Here is a vivid example of how the topic of discussion was transferred to the president and the authorities. What is the article about? About strongly ardent "patriots" who, apart from the war, do not suggest any other scenarios for further development. And the writers are right, because some people make their own points by thickening the colors and painting horrible scenarios. But through the efforts of Stas 157 and Silvestr, the topic was transferred to Putin and the authorities, this happens all the time, regardless of the topic of discussion - do you think this is normal?
  30. Hypatius
    Hypatius 6 December 2018 18: 53
    -1
    Article in 2 words: patriotism and Ukraine. Yanukovych in 2012 canceled benefits for Afghans and Chernobyl victims. In Russia, EDROski prohibit 5 years of indexation to military pensioners - the most patriotic part of the people. 11 billion rubles, saved by 2,638 million patriots, was enough for an additional fee of only 16 Members of Rosneft, Gazprom and Sber. good
    But from the article, we understand that these are patriots, they want "Maidan". fool
  31. polar fox
    polar fox 6 December 2018 21: 04
    +3
    communicated with people who fought with Strelkov-no one reproached him for anything. a worthy person and a good commander. These opinions are more valuable to me than Roman’s brain stool.
  32. EvilLion
    EvilLion 7 December 2018 09: 29
    0
    There is no Strelkov, there is an artist Girkin, who was hired as a figurehead to hide the real commanders of the defense of Slavyansk, who most likely did not even wear a uniform, although they were with bearing.
  33. Doctor Evil
    Doctor Evil 7 December 2018 10: 37
    +1
    Streisand effect. Thank you for watching the story on the Stalingrad channel.
  34. Fedor1
    Fedor1 7 December 2018 14: 38
    -2
    Putin is a sneaky coward and traitor, as early as the year 14 Ukraine could be made the South-Western District of Russia with small losses, and he even surrenders the defenders of Donbass as terrorists to Bandera, and he brought trillions of dollars abroad.
  35. Soulful
    Soulful 9 December 2018 11: 18
    -1
    It's sad to read all this in "our media" ... Whiners again become the majority .. 80-90s remembered right away .. There was also such a howl for the whole USSR ... And then blood poured and the massacre of Russians.
    Patriotism can be the lever with which you can turn the world upside down. Only use this lever with clean hands. With a pure heart and pure thoughts.

    Something similar, also in the 90s heard in all the media ..
    Is it starting again? angry
  36. Soulful
    Soulful 9 December 2018 11: 20
    0
    Quote: Soulful
    It's sad to read all this in "our media" ... Whiners again become the majority .. 80-90s remembered right away .. There was also such a howl for the whole USSR ... And then blood poured and the massacre of Russians.
    Patriotism can be the lever with which you can turn the world upside down. Only use this lever with clean hands. With a pure heart and pure thoughts.

    I heard something like that in the 90s in all the media .. Everyone in the patriots now signed up and sing so sweetly ..
    Is it starting again? angry
    And it will survive Russia.