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Six Day War between Israel and Egypt, Syria and Jordan

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Six Day War between Israel and Egypt, Syria and Jordan

June 5, 1967 7:45 a.m. The Israeli Air Force launched its first strike on Egyptian air bases and radar stations. Then a second strike was inflicted on Egyptian air bases. As a result, the Israeli Air Force established complete air supremacy, destroying 304 of 419 Egyptian aircraft. The air forces of Jordan and Syria were later defeated, and Iraqi suffered serious damage. aviation in the Mosul area. The war between Israel and Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq began. It was called the Six Day War, since active hostilities continued from June 5 to 10, 1967.


As a result of this war, Israeli troops captured the entire Sinai Peninsula (with access to the east coast of the Suez Canal) and the Gaza Strip from the Egyptians, the western bank of the Jordan River and the eastern sector of Jerusalem from the Jordanians and the Golan Heights from the Syrians. Thus, Israel has increased the territory of the state in 3,5 times.

Previous events

Before the war, the situation in the Middle East began to rapidly heat up in the spring of 1967. 18 May 1967, Egyptian President Gamal Nasser demanded that the UN forces withdraw from the ceasefire line with Israel and the coast of the Strait of Tirana. Nasser led the troops of Egypt to these positions and closed the exit for Israeli ships from the Gulf of Aqaba to the Red Sea. On May 30, the Jordanian King Hussein joined the Egyptian-Syrian coalition. It was announced the blockade of the Israeli coast. The Middle East was quickly slipping into another Arab-Israeli war.

I must say that Moscow was not a supporter of this war. But the Soviet Union, largely due to inertia, was forced to support the Arab coalition morally and politically. 23 May 1967, Moscow said it would support Arab countries if they were attacked by Israel. However, the Egyptian President at the same time transparently hinted that the USSR would remain aloof if Cairo is the first to unleash a war against the Jewish state. In addition, it must be said that both parties to the conflict were interested in this war. Observers noted at that time in the capitals of the Arab countries (Cairo, Damascus and Amman) a real military psychosis. On national radio and television constantly broadcast military marches. After the execution of the latter, as a rule, a portion of threats followed in the direction of Israel and the United States. The morale of the population was raised by optimistic reports from the disposition of the troops that were deployed near the Arab-Israeli borders. Israel wanted to solve the problem of obtaining a number of strategic positions, to destroy the accumulated military potential of the enemy.

The Arab States in the spring of 1967 took active measures to increase the combat readiness of their armed forces and their deployment. 14 May Cairo began bringing its army on full alert. The troops were deployed in and around the Suez Canal, and on May 15, Egyptian forces were deployed to Sinai and began to concentrate near the border of Israel. May 21 in Egypt declared a general mobilization. By 18 May Syrian troops were deployed in the Golan Heights area. Jordan began mobilizing 17 in May and completed its 24 in May. 30 May concluded an agreement on mutual defense between Cairo and Amman. 29 May Algerian troops sent to Egypt, and 31 May Iraqi troops - in Jordan. The Arab states were preparing to “throw the Jews into the sea”.

Israeli Tanksoffensive on the Golan Heights


9 May 1967, the Israeli parliament (Knesset) authorized the government to conduct a military operation against Syria. At that time, the relations of the two countries were exacerbated due to three main reasons: 1) conflict over water resources (the drainage problem of Jordan), 2) conflict due to control over demilitarized zones along the ceasefire line 1948 of the year, 3) due to for supporting Damascus militant groups of Palestinian Arabs who committed acts of sabotage against Israel. In the second half of May, mobilization of first-line reservists began in Israel. 20 May Israel completed partial mobilization (according to other data, full). 23 May 1967, the Israeli government stated that the obstacles imposed by Israeli shipping would be considered a declaration of war, as would the withdrawal of UN security forces, sending Iraqi forces to Egypt and signing a military alliance between Amman and Cairo. Israel reserved the right to start hostilities first. On the same day, the Israeli government ordered the general staff to complete preparations for the war against Syria and Egypt and to begin general mobilization in the country. It was also decided to appoint General Moshe Dayan to the post of Minister of Defense, who was a supporter of a hard line in relation to the Arab states.

The Union of Arab States, in preparation for "throwing the Jews into the sea," continued the mobilization and operational deployment of its armed forces. The problem was that these events were not carried out purposefully and planned, with serious flaws. During the preparation for the war, neither Damascus nor Cairo conducted a serious reconnaissance of enemy forces, as a result of which the Arab military did not know the composition, plans of action and capabilities of the Jewish armed forces as a whole and their parts concentrated on the borders of the Arab countries. In fact, the Arabs overestimated their capabilities and underestimated the potential of the enemy.

The advancement of military units to operational deployment areas, especially in the Sinai Peninsula, was not organized in a sufficiently organized and, in most cases, openly. The Arab states that were pushed into the initial position before the offensive did not take sufficient defensive measures and were not actually ready to repel a possible Israeli offensive.

In addition, the long presence of troops in a state of full combat readiness (about 22 days) led to the fact that the pressure of personnel, calculations of air defense systems, radar and flight personnel of the Air Force gradually fell. This led to a drop in the combat readiness of troops, especially aviation and air defense. Arab nonchalance has also affected. In general, the Arab states were prepared for war in many areas weaker than Israel.

The Israeli government, meanwhile, did not wait for the Arab countries to finally gather their strength and go on the offensive. Tel Aviv rightly feared a concerted offensive by superior enemy forces from three directions. There was no place for the Israeli armed forces to retreat: the “depth” of the country is quite comparable to the tactical zone of defense of a combined-arms division. Therefore, the Israeli command decided to act proactively, to use its advantage in the army’s combat training, to smash the forces of the Arab coalition one by one, before their command finally agreed on joint action plans.

At the first stage, it was decided to deliver sudden massive air strikes on the enemy's air force and air defense, to achieve air supremacy. On the night of 5 June 1967, the Israeli government made the final decision to begin hostilities against Egypt, Syria and Jordan. In the course of this military campaign, Tel Aviv was going to defeat the armed forces of the Arab countries, which created a threat to the very existence of the Jewish state.

The forces of the parties

In quantitative terms, in general and in the main operational areas, the troops of the Arab Union were significantly superior to Israeli forces. Not inferior to the Arab armies, Israeli troops and in terms of technical equipment. Egyptian and Syrian naval forces significantly outnumbered the Israeli Navy both quantitatively and qualitatively.

But by the general level of combat training, the Israeli armed forces seriously exceeded the forces of the Arab states. The combat capability of all the main types of the armed forces of Egypt, Syria and Jordan, and especially of the Air Force and Air Defense, was low. This was primarily the result of low field training of troops and staffs, as well as the insufficient manning of military units with officer and engineering staff. For example, in the Egyptian army, the army officers were 60-70% and the headquarters were 45-50%. All types of aircraft were equipped with technical staff only on 40-45%. In addition, it is necessary to note the psychological aspect of the Arab armies - their low combat stability, disorder, and lack of initiative.

Tank column with direct aviation support


Thus, despite the overall superiority in the forces and means of the anti-Israeli union, there was little chance of an Arab victory.

Personally, the Arabs had the advantage of 1,8: 1. Egypt, Jordan and Syria - 435 thousand people (60 brigades), with Iraqi forces - up to 547 thousand, Israel - 250 thousand (31 brigade). For tanks and SPG - 1,7: 1, in favor of the Arabs. The Arabs - 1950 (with Iraq - 2,5 thousand), Israel - 1120 (according to other data 800). By plane - 1,4: 1. Arabs have 415 (with Iraqi 957), Israelis have before 300. On the Sinai direction, Egypt had: 90 thousand people (20 brigades), 900 tanks and SPG, 284 combat aircraft. Israel: 70 thousand soldiers (14 brigades), 300 tanks and SPGs, up to 200 aircraft. On the Damascus direction in Syria: 53 thousand people (12 brigades), 340 tanks and SPG, 106 aircraft. Israel: 50 thousand soldiers (10 brigades), 300 tanks and SPGs, up to 70 aircraft. On the Amman direction in Jordan: 55 thousand soldiers (12 brigades), 290 tanks and self-propelled guns, 25 aircraft. Israel: 35 thousand people (7 brigades), 220 tanks and ACS, up to 30 aircraft.

The outbreak of war

Fighting Israeli armed forces began striking combat aviation against the main Egyptian air bases and airfields, radio engineering air defense posts, positions of anti-aircraft missile systems and bridges across the Suez Canal. An air strike was struck in two echelons. The first echelon of the Israeli Air Force was flown on the morning of June 5 at 7.45 - 8.30 on Egypt’s advanced airfields on the Sinai Peninsula, air defense facilities and bridges across the Suez Canal. The second echelon raid is around 9.00 in the morning on the airfields, which were located behind the Suez Canal, as well as in the central and southern parts of the Egyptian state. In the first echelon operated up to 100 combat aircraft, and in the second - more than 120 machines. In total, 16 Egyptian airfields and several radar stations were subjected to air strikes.

The actions of the Israeli Air Force were carefully prepared in time, routes and targets. Groups of aircraft that struck airfields in the region of Cairo and the Suez Canal flew from airfields located in the central part of the Jewish state, and those that struck Egyptian air bases on the Sinai Peninsula from airfields in southern Israel. In order to ensure the surprise of the strike, the groups that acted on the airfields in the Cairo region and the Suez Canal, after take-off, went to the area west of Alexandria over the sea at a distance of 50-80 km from the coast at low altitude in 150-300 m. radio interference. Thus, the secrecy of the approach of the aircraft was achieved, since the Egyptian airborne radar weapons did not ensure the reliability of detecting targets flying at such low altitudes in the presence of radio interference. Bypassing the Egyptian air defense zone, Israeli planes in small groups (on 4-6 aircraft) attacked from the western and north-western directions simultaneously the following main airfields of Egypt: Cairo-western, Cairo-international, Inshas, ​​Abu-Suweir, Almaza, Fayid, Luxor, El Cabrit, Al Mansur. Initially, the Arab Egyptian command even felt that it was hit by the US and British air forces.

When approaching targets, Israeli planes reduced speed to a minimum and carried out several combat approaches. First of all, they attacked the aircraft on duty and the runways (WFP), after which they destroyed the vehicles in the parking lots and in the hangars, as well as the aviation control facilities. For the decommissioning of the runway, the Israeli Air Force used special concrete bombs, and for the destruction of equipment - cannon fire and unguided rockets (NURSs). The fire of the Arab anti-aircraft guns was discovered with considerable delay. Arab aviation and air defense were completely unprepared for repelling enemy raids. Egyptian fighter aircraft was taken by surprise and inactive. The duty units of the fighter aviation were alerted only at the airfields of the Sinai Peninsula, but their actions were ineffective. Israeli aircraft suffered no losses from enemy fighters.



Aviation units that were based in the depths of the state did not even receive information about enemy strikes on advanced airfields. Therefore, the impact of the second echelon on them also turned out to be sudden.

Deployed at the firing positions around the most important objects of the state and the airfields of Egypt, the divisions of anti-aircraft missile forces (168 launchers SAM-CA-75) had a weak resistance to the strike of Israeli aviation. In the first two raids, Israel lost just nine planes, the others 6 were badly damaged. Anti-aircraft artillery turned out to be the most combat-ready in Egypt, during the whole war it hit 35 of Israeli aircraft (of all, Israel lost about 50 aircraft during the entire war), while 57-mm complexes showed high efficiency.

After the first strike, the command of the Egyptian Air Force did not take measures to clean up the surviving forces, although control was not completely disrupted. This allowed Israeli aviation to carry out a successful second strike with forces over 120 aircraft and consolidate the first success. Like the first attack, the aircraft were in small groups of 4-6 aircraft with access to targets at very low altitudes. In the future, throughout the day, Israeli aircraft continued to strike at individual objects in Egypt, and attacked the bases of the Syrian, Jordanian and Iraqi air forces. For example, during June 5, only on the Syrian Dmeyr airfield, nine groups of 4 aircraft were struck. During the first day, Israeli aircraft flew around 400-420 combat missions, of which, by air bases, to 300 and by troops, to 120.

As a result of the fighting 5 June, the Israeli Air Force completed the task of defeating enemy aircraft and seized air superiority. In total, 304 from the 419 Egyptian aircraft was destroyed, all Jordanian air forces (25-28 aircraft) and about half of the Syrian air forces (53 aircraft), as well as 10 Iraqi aircraft were eliminated. In addition, nine airfields of Egypt were completely incapacitated, and two airfields of Syria, others suffered serious losses. In the future, practically unresisting attacks by the Israeli air forces on Arab columns and positions will become the most important factor in the demoralization and collapse of the Egyptian, Syrian and Jordanian troops.

Interestingly, despite the crushing defeat of the Air Force and Air Defense of Egypt, in the high command of eyewitnesses of events there was complete calm, bordering on indifference. The country's military-political leadership did not even remotely imagine the scale of the catastrophe and its consequences that befell the Egyptian armed forces.

Captured from the Arabs captured Soviet armored vehicles at the parade in Jerusalem


Already since June 6, Israeli aviation has concentrated its main efforts on direct support of ground combat operations in the Sinai and Jordan directions, and from June 8 in the Damascus direction. Israeli aviation has steadily increased its efforts, delivering continuous strikes on the Arab ground forces. In the course of combat operations against groups of Arab ground forces, Israeli aircraft used bombs, air-to-surface missiles, napalm and cannon fire. The strikes were delivered suddenly and practically without serious opposition from the Arab air defenses. Full supremacy in the air allowed the Israeli command to use training aircraft as ground attack aircraft.

The actions of aviation in Arab countries as a result of the most severe losses were episodic in nature and could not have a serious impact on the overall course of the war. The activities of the Egyptian air force was limited mainly to cover the capital and raids of small groups of aircraft on some Israeli targets. Aviation of Syria and Iraq 5 June tried to strike at Haifa, Tel Aviv and other cities, but due to the insignificance of forces and poor training, could not cause significant harm to Israel. In turn, the Israeli air strikes on Syria led to significant losses for the Syrian air force.

Fighting land forces turned around on the morning of June 5 first on the Sinai direction, then in the Jerusalem area, on the Israeli-Jordanian and Israeli-Syrian borders and continued until June 13.



To be continued ...
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  1. kagorta
    kagorta 5 June 2012 09: 33 New
    +3
    Whoever struck the first one in the kings. The Jews are great, of course. But this defeat at the first stage of the “Yom Kippur” war came back to them. Since they believed that the Arabs after the six-day war had their caps (sorry wink ) showered.
    1. Redpartyzan
      Redpartyzan 5 June 2012 10: 57 New
      +3
      Yes, the air strike is staggering. I don’t know whether it is a legend or not, but Soviet pilots said that Israel bombed Egypt and the Arabs at that time read the prayer. Like because of this, including the attack turned out to be sudden.
      1. Professor
        Professor 5 June 2012 11: 12 New
        +6
        I happened to be personally acquainted with several "instructors" who were in Egypt. They told a lot of interesting things in the absence of a special officer and political officer. The most memorable case was when the instructor took one presumptuous Arab cadet for a caponier and broke him in Russian. After that, the discipline on the course was perfect and all the cadets called the instructor not otherwise "Mr.".

        It was also noted that until the 1967 year, all aircraft (in accordance with the Soviet system) were lined up strictly according to the line, nose to nose. As a result, one call and no regiment.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 5 June 2012 19: 49 New
          +2
          lined up strictly on a ruler, nose to nose. As a result, one call and no regiment. well this is bullshit and there is no regiment, pvoshniki should get busy and not read the prayer
      2. borisst64
        borisst64 5 June 2012 14: 30 New
        +3
        The tanks in the photo were captured while the Arabs battalion prayed upside down. I have nothing against the Muslim religion, but the measure must be known, this is WAR!
  2. vic22lud
    vic22lud 5 June 2012 09: 43 New
    +5
    But they threw it. It was hard - but they showered. wink
    1. kagorta
      kagorta 5 June 2012 09: 56 New
      +2
      Yes, they knew how to use trophies.
      1. Kars
        Kars 5 June 2012 10: 16 New
        +6
        Better than Arabs giving presents.
        1. Kars
          Kars 5 June 2012 13: 21 New
          +6
          In principle, I liked the Israeli version of the war. All the same, the Arabs are not soldiers, they will have enough camels.
          1. Splin
            Splin 5 June 2012 13: 32 New
            +4
            Arabs in the Middle Ages won in numbers. And when the number ceased to play the dominant role, their military happiness disappeared.
            1. Santa Claus
              Santa Claus 9 June 2017 18: 09 New
              0
              the way it is ! And no explanations are needed anymore as according to Bulgakov
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 5 June 2012 16: 08 New
            +1
            Andrew!!
            With all due respect, I disagree with your opinion categorically!
            The question is not Arabs, not soldiers!
            As a man who has experienced the severity of the war a little, he is convinced that everything depends on the commanders!
            Tell me before this war, what successes did the Jews have in military affairs and when?
            Where are those Mongols who have kept the world at bay for centuries ??
            1. Professor
              Professor 5 June 2012 16: 14 New
              +3
              Tell me before this war, what successes did the Jews have in military affairs and when?

              1948- War of Independence
              1956- Sinai company
              1967
              1973
              1982
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 5 June 2012 16: 52 New
                0
                Dear Professor!
                Before answering a question, try to understand it!
                I know you as an intelligent person, disrespect me!
                You understand what I wanted to ask!
                1. Professor
                  Professor 5 June 2012 17: 04 New
                  0
                  Do you mean bible story? Like David and Guliat?
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 5 June 2012 17: 14 New
                    +1
                    No professor!
                    I gave an example !!
                    in the 19th century, in the 18th century, what successes did the Jews have in military affairs ??
                    Would the Jews conquer if they were led by the Saadats, Nassers ?? would the generals be Bashirs, Al Tavii ?? and the commander of a company of special forces would be a man like Bakhtiyar?
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 5 June 2012 17: 21 New
                      +3
                      In the 18 and 19 centuries, Jews fought as part of other armies.

                      Would the Jews conquer if they were led by the Saadats, Nassers ?? would the generals be Bashirs, Al Tavii ?? and the commander of a company of special forces would be a man like Bakhtiyar?

                      I understand that the question is hypothetical, but on the other hand, I can’t imagine how such cadres would have been pulled out in the IDF into the leadership. In Israel there are no officer schools, so that to become an officer it is necessary to at least come the course of a young soldier for a period of six months and complete idiots and screamers there simply will not get there or drop out on the courses themselves. What army is such a leadership.
                      You will take an interest in what kind of competition for flight courses in Israel and what the average annual flying time of a pilot, and then it will immediately become clear why the Air Force is at the level.

                      PS
                      Now in Turkey, after purging the leadership of the army, (when dissenting professionals are dismissed or they are dismissed, but comfortable people remain) Do you think the defense capability has grown there?
                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 5 June 2012 17: 26 New
                        +2
                        You see, Professor!
                        You would argue!
                        So I say in the commanders, referring to the leadership and the SYSTEM !!
                        THEY ARE INTERCONNECTED!
                        Created a system of people, individuals !!
                        Or will you again argue that only the best Jews?
                        Dear professor, take an interest in what kind of competition for flight courses in Azerbaijan and what annual flyby of the pilot ?? I’m sure not much less than in Israel!
                        and what did the Azerbaijani air force become at the Israeli level?
                        As for Turkey, I will answer you separately!
                        I am sure that the defenses suffered but slightly!
            2. Kars
              Kars 5 June 2012 16: 16 New
              +1
              Quote: Yarbay
              Tell me before this war, what successes did the Jews have in military affairs and when?

              Tell me how the Arabs did not drop the Hebrew into the sea from 1947 to this day.
              Quote: Yarbay
              Where are those Mongols who have kept the world at bay for centuries ??

              With tamerlan ended, and .. standing on the Ugra River .. under Ivan 3


              Quote: Yarbay
              That it all depends on the commanders!

              and who are they?
              I repeat this photo
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 5 June 2012 16: 19 New
                0
                Andrew!
                give me a platoon of representatives of any nationality for three months and then see who can be compared with them in the mountains !!
                You read me inattentively !!
                The question is in leadership, not in the nation !!
                I do not understand the question, who are they?
                1. Kars
                  Kars 5 June 2012 16: 23 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  I do not understand the question, who are they?

                  Nationality of commanders.

                  Quote: Yarbay
                  give me a platoon

                  so no offense ---- and are you an Arab by nationality? Yes enough, no.
                  and for the sake of experiment I would give you a platoon of Syrians, and better than the Egyptians.
                  Only not in the mountains but in the Suez relief.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 5 June 2012 16: 50 New
                    +2
                    I'm turkish!
                    no offense!
                    I had to serve. more faithfully to study with Arabs and people of different nationalities!
                    In one trench, they had to share bread with both Russians and Caucasians and a Jew!
                    and even at one time my commander was a Ukrainian!
                    and about the relief of the Suez explain, did not understand!
                2. chukapabra
                  chukapabra 5 June 2012 16: 56 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  The question is in leadership, not in the nation !!

                  I think the whole thing is in the spirit and faith in commanders. In our case, my opinion is this.
                  1. Everyone, young and old, is convinced that this is our land. Our ancestors came here, our religion was born here, our ancestors lived here. The words of our main prayer --- May my hand dry out if I forget you Yerusalim!
                  2. This is our only home and we have nowhere to retreat and we have nowhere to run, and due to the fact that the country is very small, we have no right to lose.
                  3. The belief of every citizen and especially soldier that the state will do everything to save you from captivity or to provide your children in case of death (in war)
                  4. Commanders in the army, who are very trusted and who, in the event of hostilities, are always with the soldiers and are usually ahead.
                  You can train anyone, you can teach a bear to ride a bike in 3 years.
                  Faith, spirit and perseverance - this consists only of the soldier’s inner confidence in the correctness of his work, moral principles and education received in the family and school (but primarily in the family). And in this we are just stronger.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 5 June 2012 17: 09 New
                    +4
                    dear chupacabra!
                    I liked your answer the most!
                    Omit emotions and highlight the last 2 points!
                    Here are two important things - ** 3. It is the belief of every citizen and especially soldier that the state will do everything to save you from captivity or to ensure your children in case of death (in war)
                    4. Commanders in the army, who are very trusted and who, in the event of hostilities, are always with the soldiers and are usually ahead. **
                    but the most important thing for a soldier - ** Faith, spirit and endurance - this only consists of the soldier’s inner confidence in the correctness of his moral principles and education received in the family and school (but primarily in the family) **
                    your last statement is that in this you are stronger, I don’t know, but I don’t argue!
                    But I think you are stronger in organization, in efficiency, in the ability to quickly and efficiently respond to threats and generally very quickly change your system for progress, stronger in technology!
                    but, in principle, everything is decided in the war by 4 points; there he would simply add that they should be competent and initiative !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                    1. chukapabra
                      chukapabra 5 June 2012 17: 54 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      but, in principle, everything is decided in the war by 4 points; there he would simply add that they should be competent and initiative !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                      First of all, thanks.
                      As for initiative and education, I agree, but in general we probably already have this in the genes (although there are mutants).
                      We believe in our army. We take care of her. Service is more than a duty. This is difficult to explain, it is probably easier to say that the person who did not serve (- her) just has no reason to talk with their peers. The son studies at the university from the army (it is difficult to explain what is called) can be translated as an academic course for the army. In short, after receiving the 1st degree, he will go to the army as an officer, but the truth is for 6 years. The army pays for studies in full (the money is not big 3500 bucks a year, I already wrote something. In Israel, the more prestigious a university is, the less payment is usually made. At the expense of the subsidy by the state)
                      But this is not the point, most of all he suffers from the fact that his friends serve, and he is at home, and feels a little out of place. Although after 2 years (I already unlearned 2), he should serve 6, not 3. But the army is his dream. And to get to Univer from the army, believe me, you had to finish school with at least silver. a medal - on your system.
                      The army is so deep in our blood that even men (in my department) at the age of 43 are exempted from annual military fees (up to 1 month). Continue walking volunteers.
                      1. igor67
                        igor67 5 June 2012 20: 14 New
                        +1
                        Hi buddy, my acquaintances from Bat Yam have a son and his classmates who have been postponed for a year, surplus in the army, they will probably introduce a contract system
                      2. Pimply
                        Pimply 5 June 2012 21: 53 New
                        +2
                        Do not enter. More than once this excess was.
                    2. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 5 June 2012 21: 34 New
                      +3
                      Chupacabra!
                      I’ll add to what you said!
                      Victories make you proud of yourself and the army, defeats are depressing!
                      and a big deal as a state to treat the army !!
                      that's why I say that it all depends on the command and individual commanders, and not on the soldier!
                      during the war we had a lot of things, but I’ll tell you about a case in Beylagan, a battalion of volunteers from one of the districts of the city of Baku, adults with artillery fire and the attack of enemy tanks abandoned their positions and fled!
                      18 years old boys were brought to their place immediately from the second echelon; well, the children and all the little ones were with staff officers!
                      So these children killed 4 tanks in an hour and a half and destroyed a lot of manpower and stopped the enemy’s advance !!
                      I can give hundreds of such examples!
                      The discipline and knowledge of the commander are crucial in battle !!
                  2. Insurgent
                    Insurgent 5 June 2012 19: 57 New
                    +1
                    All of this is right, it seems a different war, you can even fight the enemy and fail to see him, he can let you go there for 1000 km and you have nothing to do, and your fighting spirit has turned into a panic
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 5 June 2012 22: 32 New
                      +2
                      That's right too !!
        2. beard999
          beard999 5 June 2012 16: 30 New
          +4
          Quote: Kars
          All the same, Arabs are not soldiers

          In the open military conflict with Israel, the neighboring Arab countries, of course, there is nothing to catch ... Moreover, the ears of the USA always stick behind Israel. They won’t give Israel a bo-bo anyway ...
          However, Arabs are different, as are conflicts. Recall the July 2006 war. Ground combat operations were conducted in a square of approximately 26 by 26 km (from the northern border of Israel to the Litani River and from the coast of the Mediterranean Sea to the eastern border of Israel). That is, the area of ​​the land operation was very limited. IDF resistance was not provided by regular armed forces, but by Hezbollah guerrilla groups. Israel had an absolute advantage in manpower and armament. With all this, the valiant IDF was not able to cover this distance (from the border to Litani) within 24 days (from July 22 to August 14). The breakthrough of the enemy’s defense was given to him with incredible difficulty. In the Arab-Israeli wars of 30-40 years ago, the IDF broke the defenses and covered similar distances during the day. In the July war of 2006, nothing like this was already observed ...
          1. igor67
            igor67 5 June 2012 16: 47 New
            +1
            beard999,
            Was the USSR behind the Arab armies, or do you think Soviet weapons and instructors are an order of magnitude worse than American ones?
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 5 June 2012 16: 59 New
              +2
              Dear Igor!
              I do not argue that the Israeli army is strong!
              Moreover, I know quite well!
              But tell me this was achieved through work and constant improvement, or by narcissistic contemplation of your past victories and valor of our ancestors ??
              with respect!
              1. igor67
                igor67 5 June 2012 20: 09 New
                +2
                Dear Alibek, I can’t or don’t even have the right to say anything on this topic since I lived and worked in the USSR at that time. I want to be the only one, and if the subscribers say that the Soviet equipment was at that time the best or no worse American, and in quantitative composition the Arabs exceeded the army of Israel, in my opinion it is not correct to say that America stood behind Israel. All the same, the Dukhizrailtians turned out to be much higher, and it is not necessary to say that the Arabs are not warriors, the Israelites are not very strong either, but whoever comes with a sword will be noted and die
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 5 June 2012 21: 43 New
                  +3
                  America followed Israel a bit later. The first deliveries of American weapons were made only in 1973, during the Doomsday War.
                  1. Splin
                    Splin 5 June 2012 21: 47 New
                    -1
                    Respected! Yes, all American channels shout that only thanks to their supplies, the Jews managed to defend independence in the 48th!
                    1. Ascetic
                      Ascetic 6 June 2012 01: 10 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Splin
                      Respected! Yes, all American channels shout that only thanks to their supplies, the Jews managed to defend independence in the 48th!


                      The support of the USSR and, above all, of Stalin played a major role in Israel’s defense of independence. A large number of Czechoslovak weapons were transferred to Israel by his personal order.

                      The United Nations, under pressure from the United States, imposed an embargo on arms deliveries to the warring parties, and Western countries strongly supported the decision. The Arabs had a lot of weapons, put by the British during the withdrawal of troops from this mandated territory, plus the armament of their regular armies. The Jews had nothing but the money of their American counterparts. But under the embargo, they could little help the young state with a small and poorly armed army. In these critical conditions for Israel, I. Stalin, with his usual frivolous attitude to unnecessary international conventions, made a saving decision for the Zionists. The Czechoslovak leadership was given the command to send the Israelis a huge amount of captured German weapons (almost all types, except perhaps the ships). Smuggled weapons were transported through the territory of the socialist states: Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia; The USSR was the first country to establish diplomatic relations with Israel. The United States took the same step only in 1949.
                      It was then that in many kibbutzim of Israel on the walls appeared portraits of I. Stalin.

                      http://www.newsland.ru/news/detail/id/625968/
                      What did Stalin want from Israel?
                      • First of all, make it a socialist state and a stronghold of the Soviet Union in the Middle East, in a situation where the positions of the USA and Great Britain in the region were strong;
                      • get not just a faithful ally, but practically satellite (similar to Republican Spain);
                      • have access to the Mediterranean and to the strategically most important Suez Canal;
                      • humiliate the hated England by shaking its position in the region;
                      • make Israel not only the largest Soviet military base, but also a springboard for the further advancement of the socialist idea. Moreover, the best specialists in this matter than Jews, according to the “brilliant leader”, simply did not exist (remember the number of representatives of this nation in the Comintern and as part of the first Soviet governments).
                      After all, the Americans in the late 1940s, as they say, waved a hand at Israel, considering it a new communist country.

                      What caused the conflict between the USSR and Israel?
                      World Jewry and lending rates are inseparable.
                      Stalin, being an opponent of the financial genocide of the people, rampant the policy of loan slavery, did not allow him to enter the USSR, and if he retained his influence on the newly formed state, he would not allow him there either.
                      What is similar to death for world Jewry, and it, world Jewry, would cease all support for Israel.This is not the only but in my opinion the main reason for the conflict between the USSR and Israel, which turned completely into a Zionist-fascist state. The same reason was the main reason for the declaration of the "cold war" by the Western countries to the socialist camp led by the USSR. Gradually, Israel began to increasingly focus on the United States (read on world banking), which is not surprising, since this country constantly came inexhaustible flow of American financial assistance. Subsidies and donations were both public and private. Tel Aviv itself was increasingly inclined to the idea that American weapons should be bought for American money.
                      “No matter how radically the Soviet attitude towards us has changed over the next twenty-five years, I cannot forget the picture that seemed to me then. Who knows, would we resist if it were not for the weapons and ammunition that we could purchase in Czechoslovakia and transport through Yugoslavia and other Balkan countries in those dark days of the outbreak of the war, until the situation changed in June 1948? In the first six weeks of the war, we relied heavily on the shells, machine guns and bullets that Hagan [**] managed to purchase in Eastern Europe, while even America announced an embargo on sending arms to the Middle East, although, of course, we relied not only on this . It is impossible to cross out the past because the present is not like it, and the fact remains: despite the fact that the Soviet Union subsequently turned so violently against us, the Soviet recognition of Israel on May 18 was of great importance to us. This meant that for the first time after the Second World War, the two greatest powers agreed on the issue of supporting the Jewish state, and although we were in mortal danger, at least we knew that we were not alone. From this consciousness - and from severe necessity "- we learned that, if not material, then moral force which led us to victory"

                      Golda Meir, Israel’s first ambassador to Moscow and subsequently Israeli Prime Minister
                      My webpage
                    2. igor67
                      igor67 6 June 2012 01: 16 New
                      +3
                      Ascetic,
                      Quote: Ascetic
                      Golda Meir, Israel’s first ambassador to Moscow and subsequently Israeli Prime Minister

                      as well as a native of Kiev
                    3. Ascetic
                      Ascetic 6 June 2012 01: 40 New
                      +3
                      Quote: igor67
                      as well as a native of Kiev

                      That's right. For example, Dorit Golender - Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the State of Israel to the Russian Federation is also a native of the USSR (born in Vilnius). If we talk about women in power.
                    4. igor67
                      igor67 6 June 2012 01: 45 New
                      +1
                      Ascetic,
                      I read here that Israel has the highest level of women in power in the world, and it’s more right
                    5. Ascetic
                      Ascetic 6 June 2012 02: 09 New
                      +3
                      Quote: igor67
                      I read here that Israel has the highest level of women in power in the world, and it’s more right


                      Perhaps like Golda Meir Dorit will be the future Prime Minister of Israel, why not?
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 6 June 2012 01: 24 New
                +2
                Ascetic!
                I once read in one of the forums that the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Iran and the creation of the Israeli state were interconnected!
                Do you know anything about this?
              3. igor67
                igor67 6 June 2012 01: 35 New
                +1
                Yarbay,
                “Since Stalin was firmly determined to give the Jews his own state, it would be foolish for the United States to resist!” Concluded US President Harry Truman and instructed the “anti-Semitic” State Department to support the UN “Stalinist initiative”.

                In November, 1947 adopted resolution No. 181 (2) on the establishment of two independent states in Palestine: Jewish and Arab immediately after the withdrawal of British troops (14 in May 1948). On the day of the adoption of the resolution, hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Jews were distraught with happiness , took to the streets. When the UN made a decision, Stalin took a long time smoking a pipe, and then said: “Everything, now there will be no peace here.” “Here” is in the Middle East.
                Arab countries did not make a UN decision. They were incredibly outraged by the Soviet position. The Arab Communist Parties, which are accustomed to fighting against “Zionism - the agents of British and American imperialism”, simply became confused, seeing that the Soviet position had changed beyond recognition.

                But Stalin was not interested in the reaction of the Arab countries and local communist parties. It was much more important for him, in spite of the British, to consolidate the diplomatic success and, if possible, join the future Jewish state in Palestine to the world socialism camp being created. Http://old.nationaldefense.ru/2332/2348/index.shtml? Id = 7444
              4. Yarbay
                Yarbay 6 June 2012 01: 59 New
                +2
                Igor, the fact is, judging by the fact that I read on that forum in exchange for supporting the Stalin initiative, the United States demanded the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Iran, after which the revolution was defeated and Peshawari was killed !!
                This is true??
              5. igor67
                igor67 6 June 2012 02: 09 New
                +1
                Quote: Yarbay
                killed by Peshawari

                In 1921, Reza Khan, an officer in the Iranian army, made a "knight's move" and established a military dictatorship. Subsequently, he was proclaimed hereditary shah. Thus, the Qajar dynasty ended and a new Pahlavi dynasty was founded. In 1941, two months after the German invasion of Russia, British and Russian troops occupied Iran. On September 16, Reza Shah abdicated in favor of his son Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi. Later, American troops entered Iran.

                The Tehran Conference of 1943 adopted a Declaration signed by the United States of America, Great Britain and the USSR, which guaranteed the independence and territorial integrity of Iran. However, the Russians, dissatisfied with the Iranian state's refusal to grant economic concessions related to oil, staged an uprising in the north, which led to the formation of puppet states called the "People's Republic of Azerbaijan" and "Kurdish People's Republic" (December 1945). They were headed by the Russian controlling authorities.

                When the Russian troops remained in Iran, an agreement was concluded on the end of the war (January 1946), which also allowed the presence of American and British troops. Iran protested it at the United Nations. The Russians withdrew their troops (May 1946) after promising some economic benefits for oil from Iran.

                Pro-Soviet states in northern Iran were not supported by the population and were occupied by Iranian forces in 1946, after which I Parliament abolished Russia's oil concessions. In 1951, a national movement led by Prime Minister Mosaddek, an active nationalist, forced parliament to nationalize the oil industry and form the Iranian national oil company. Despite the fact that the British blockade led to the actual collapse of the oil industry and serious domestic economic problems, Mossadegh continued his policy of nationalization.
          2. igor67
            igor67 6 June 2012 01: 59 New
            +1
            Yarbay,
            since the Cold War began after the war, the Soviet leadership did everything that would go against the policy of England, especially Cherchel,
          3. Yarbay
            Yarbay 6 June 2012 02: 05 New
            +3
            Igor honestly did not understand the answer!
            could you enlighten in more detail?
          4. igor67
            igor67 6 June 2012 02: 27 New
            0
            Yarbay,
            Sorry for the confusion in the answer, I’m just at work and still trying to do the work, so that we wouldn’t sleep. We opened the Internet,
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 6 June 2012 02: 05 New
        +4
        Quote: Yarbay
        Do you know anything about this?


        At that time, a prewar situation had developed in relations between the USSR and Turkey.
        At the end of 1946, Moscow and Ankara quickly approached a military conflict. The Soviet Union pulled dozens of divisions to the Turkish border, and Soviet naval bases were strengthened in Romania and Bulgaria. At the same time, the Soviet Union delayed the withdrawal of its troops from Northern Iran. Moreover, with the direct support of Moscow in Northern Iran - just like in the countries of Eastern Europe - a people's democratic state was created Southern Azerbaijan and the People's Republic of Kurdistan.
        Events then developed on an increasing basis. March 4, 1946, 15 Soviet armored brigades entered the Azerbaijani province. On March 4, in Mahabbad, the Kurdish Republic announced the autonomy of the Kurds living in southern Turkey. It was a demonstration of the declared scale of the restructuring of Iran and Turkey. On March 6, the commander of the Baltic Military District, Ivan Baghramyan, arrived in Tabriz with a group of high-ranking Soviet commanders.
        However, in 1947, the United States actively intervened in the situation. They quickly deployed their military and intelligence bases on Turkish territory, near Soviet borders. Even earlier, Harry Truman refused to fulfill the promises made to Stalin by Roosevelt about the deployment of Soviet bases in Libyan and Turkish territory. In the same period, the conflict between the USSR and Titan Yugoslavia - not an accidental fact - weakened Stalin's position in the south, which also could not but affect the "Kurdish project." The withdrawal of Soviet troops from Iran in January 1948 further aggravated the situation.
        Today it is obvious that the Stalinist leadership, realizing that the US has nuclear weapons; it did not dare to wage a serious geopolitical game in the Middle East at that time.
        The Soviet Union did not have nuclear weapons, therefore, as soon as Stalin faced the possibility of a military conflict, he backtracked. On March 24, Stalin and the chief of the General Staff of the Soviet Army Antonov sent the Commander of the Baku Military District:

        «1. Proceed to the withdrawal of all troops, institutions and warehouses of the 4th Army from Iran to occupy places of permanent deployment in the territory of the Baku Military District.
        2. The withdrawal of troops to begin on March 24 and to complete it completely no later than April 30 - May 10 this year. "

        March 26 TASS announced the withdrawal of Soviet troops. The statement said: “The withdrawal of Soviet troops in Iran from the areas of Mashhad, Shahrud, Semian, which began on March 2, 1946, has already been completed. By agreement with the Iranian government, the evacuation of the remaining Soviet troops began on March 24. The Soviet command in Iran expects that the complete evacuation of Soviet troops from Iran can be completed within five to six weeks if something unforeseen does not happen. " Needless to say, the Iranian side had no idea about the arrangement referred to by the Soviet Telegraph Agency - This emergency decision was made under pressure from Washington.
        The Soviet representatives were aware that the Iranian army, provided to its own forces, could not stand a clash with the troops of the Shah. The possibility of reinforcing the army with "volunteers" from Soviet Azerbaijan was considered. But no one counted on stubborn resistance, and Moscow gave instructions for the evacuation of "their people" in the Soviet Union. The Kremlin’s directive read: “Do not accept the battle with the Shah’s troops. All loyal supporters of the Pishevari government, who are threatened with reprisal, will be transferred to the USSR through the Iranian Julfa. ”


        On December 11, 1946, at an extraordinary meeting of the provincial adviser of Iranian Azerbaijan (an elected local government), it was decided not to resist the Shah’s troops. In December 1946, Iranian troops were introduced into the new state. On October 6, 1947, Iran entered into an agreement with the United States on military assistance in order to increase the combat effectiveness of the Iranian army.


        After Stalin's death, the “Kurdish project” was mothballed for a long time by the Soviet Union. Already in May 1953, Moscow announced the recognition of the Soviet-Turkish border, and subsequently Nikita Khrushchev personally apologized to the Turkish ambassador to the USSR for "Stalin's injustices."
        Based on materials from Rosvesti.ru (Baku).
        In my opinion, the most plausible interpretation of events, following the example of the same Israel, Stalin strove in every possible way to strengthen the position of the USSR in the Middle East by creating satellite states.
      3. Yarbay
        Yarbay 6 June 2012 02: 34 New
        +2
        Thanks Ascetic!
        The fact is that my grandfather, as part of those units, was part of Iran!
        He generally knew many languages ​​and was very popular there!
        He told me that our people there were very well received!
        Never talked about the withdrawal of troops!
        If asked, he was silent or spoke about party politics!

        Ascetic and what was then connected * pre-war situation in relations between the USSR and Turkey * ??
        what did you share ??

      4. igor67
        igor67 6 June 2012 02: 45 New
        +1
        Yarbay,
        http://topwar.ru/14683-taynaya-voyna-na-bosfore.html
      5. Yarbay
        Yarbay 6 June 2012 02: 50 New
        +1
        Thanks Igor! good
      6. igor67
        igor67 6 June 2012 02: 55 New
        0
        Yarbay,
        Dear Alibek, what is the time difference between us, we have 01:55 now?
      7. Yarbay
        Yarbay 6 June 2012 03: 22 New
        +1
        Dear Igor!
        We have now 04:23!
  • Che
    Che 6 June 2012 08: 06 New
    +2
    Pimply,
    Arabs and Jews are fighting among themselves, and by and large one tribe and one people.
  • beard999
    beard999 5 June 2012 22: 35 New
    -1
    Quote: igor67
    instructors are much worse than the American

    What does the "instructor" have to do with it? For the United States, the defense of Israel (military and political) has long been elevated to the rank of state policy. In fact, for the United States, Israel has long been their 51st state. Almost unlimited sale of American weapons (including the latest), the placement of American warehouses with weapons in Israel and permission to use them, annual 3 billion payments for the purchase of IDF weapons, a regular veto in the UN Security Council on any resolutions inconvenient for Israel and etc. etc. The USSR has never had such relations with any Arab country.
    1. igor67
      igor67 5 June 2012 23: 23 New
      0
      beard999,
      to be precise 3 mlr. paid to Egypt, after the war. And America is supposedly profitable help they got technology, the US army is all in Israeli armored vehicles, etc.
  • Professor
    Professor 5 June 2012 16: 50 New
    +3
    With all this, the valiant IDF was not able to cover this distance (from the border to Litani) for 24 days (from July 22 to August 14).

    And what was such a task?
    For your information, the decision to conduct a large-scale operation was made for 3 !!! days before the end of the entire war (read the findings of the government commission led by Judge Vinograd, who by the way criticized the government for not causing a decision on the operation, but only responding to the shelling of Hezbollah). After the decision was made, a large-scale mobilization was carried out and they did not reach Litani, but reached it (though why it is still not clear).

    PS
    The entire top of Israel was quickly sent home for "great" political leadership.
    Minister of Defense:
    1. beard999
      beard999 5 June 2012 22: 37 New
      -2
      Quote: Professor
      And what was such a task?

      And what did the IDF want to stretch pleasure? Do you recall when Operation Worthy Retribution began? Or maybe you don’t know that the purpose of the ground part of the operation was to create a buffer zone to Litani, with the aim of depriving Hezbollah of a bridgehead for launching missile strikes in northern Israel? Do you think the IDF was in no hurry during the offensive?
      Quote: Professor
      For your information, the decision to conduct a large-scale operation was made for 3 !!! days before the end of the war

      Attracting a large number of troops to the operation from August 11 does not mean that before that it was "limited". The IDF throughout the time had a significant advantage in manpower and armaments over Hezbollah fighters. The IDF’s all-time mission was one and the same - depriving Hezbollah militants of position areas for rocket attacks. Until the end of hostilities, the IDF did not cope with this task. Even on August 13 (the last day of active hostilities), the north of Israel was subjected to a massive missile strike, and fierce battles were only 700 meters from the Lebanese-Israeli border (i.e., on the territory that had long been under the control of the IDF), area of ​​the city of Aita al-Shaab ...
      Quote: Professor
      they didn’t reach Litani, but ran

      Even in the evening of August 13, the Israeli army could not reach the Litani River. And at 8 in the morning of 14, a truce has already begun ...
      1. Professor
        Professor 6 June 2012 09: 19 New
        0
        Or maybe you don’t know that the purpose of the ground part of the operation was to create a buffer zone to Litani, with the aim of depriving Hezbollah of a bridgehead for launching missile strikes in northern Israel?

        Wow, nobody knows this, but he knows. Link please to the studio.

        Even in the evening of August 13, the Israeli army could not reach the Litani River. And at 8 in the morning of 14, a truce has already begun ...

        I repeat, after receiving an order from the army reached the Letani River in a matter of hours, among other things, using a helicopter landing (one helicopter was lost).
  • Kars
    Kars 5 June 2012 16: 50 New
    +2
    Quote: beard999
    IDF resistance was not provided by regular armed forces, but by Hezbollah guerrilla groups.

    Never compare guerrillas and regulars.
    Quote: beard999
    With all this, the valiant IDF was not able to cover this distance (from the border to Litani) for 24 days

    He had a time frame? He was in a hurry somewhere? He had to break through the defenses, reach the specified line and gain a foothold in anticipation of a counterattack?
    Quote: beard999
    The breakthrough of the enemy’s defense was given to him with incredible difficulty
    This is minimization of losses ---- the Russians would have stormed Grozny in 1994.
    1. beard999
      beard999 5 June 2012 22: 39 New
      -2
      Quote: Kars
      Never compare guerrillas and regulars

      Have I compared? I am only against your position, to blame all the Arabs in one pile (your "Arabs are not soldiers"). As the summer of 2006 showed, Arabs have worthy fighters capable of providing long-term resistance to a superior enemy.
      Quote: Kars
      Did he have a time frame? Was he in a hurry somewhere?

      From the territory on which the IDF conducted a ground operation, Hezbollah fighters carried out missile attacks all over northern Israel (up to Hadera - 90 km from the border). Do you really believe that the IDF was in no hurry to complete the assigned tasks - creating a buffer zone in southern Lebanon (right up to the Litani River)?
      Quote: Kars
      This is minimization of losses.

      Truth? Have you found a source where it says that such “not a hurry” of the IDF is associated with “minimization of losses”? I do not believe. You do not take into account that the main losses during the Hezbollah rocket attacks were not borne by the IDF, but by the Israeli civilian population, and this was what caused the main discontent within Israel. So the IDF was in a hurry as best he could, but could not do anything quickly ...
      1. Professor
        Professor 6 June 2012 09: 21 New
        0
        So the IDF was in a hurry as best he could, but could not do anything quickly ...

        So in a hurry that he remembered the large-scale appeal of the reservists 3 days before the end of the war. laughing
  • Pimply
    Pimply 5 June 2012 21: 52 New
    +1
    The situation was somewhat different. Counterguerrilla actions - especially in the face of increased media attention - are the most difficult. The conventional army is easier to defeat due to the fact that it is immediately clear who the enemy is. But the destroyed 17-year-old militant very quickly turns into a "child killed by the aggressors."

    The breakthrough was difficult, in the first outline due to the fact that the main fortification points were located in residential areas.
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent 5 June 2012 19: 51 New
    +1
    Well, the 2 Lebanese war is not all smooth; Israel had no hezbol defeated
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 5 June 2012 23: 29 New
      +2
      I am sure that if the goal was to defeat Hezbollah at any cost, it would be done!
      There was a lot of politics in the second Lebanon war!
      1. igor67
        igor67 5 June 2012 23: 34 New
        +2
        Yarbay,
        I agree with you, 150% dear Alibek, in 2006, troops went into the depths of Lebanon for more than 20 km and shot rockets at us from a position near the border, there the hezbollah flag hung like a war afterwards, solid politics
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 5 June 2012 23: 43 New
          +2
          Igor, I carefully watched and follow the events there!
          Have you noticed as soon as the parties come to some kind of mutual understanding, either a terrible terrorist attack or provocation by certain ultra-minded groups in your country begins!
          Examples are the murder of your President, the stories of the settlements that build and then destroy and pay a lot of money to the victims!
          I even see it in our conflict! It was only once!
          As soon as Ter Petrosyan’s administration understood the futility of the occupation of the territory of Azerbaijan and agreed to a peace treaty, his closest associates in the parliament were destroyed as a result of the attack and he was peacefully overthrown!
          So politics rules!
          But who the conductor is important!
          with respect!
          1. igor67
            igor67 5 June 2012 23: 51 New
            +1
            Yarbay [http://newsru.co.il/mideast/27apr2012/sinai8005.html derezha and I would like to know my dear friend, http: //www.semya.ws/memorial/index.php? Option = com_content & view = article & id = 125: -
            --- 3 - & catid = 35: 1948 & Itemid = 27
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 6 June 2012 00: 00 New
              +3
              Dear Igor!
              and I’m talking about this today they learned that there is a monument there ??
              everything is carefully planned !!
              and on this and on the other hand there are people working for one center!
              I will give one more example one of the most numerous rallies in Baku at the beginning of independence and the conflict was organized in connection with deforestation in one of the regions of Karabakh!
              I’m sure nobody needed this forest and then they stopped work!
              But a provocation was needed, it was done !!
              1. igor67
                igor67 6 June 2012 00: 22 New
                +1
                Yarbay,
                Yes, the world is so fragile, and there are tombs which, with their deliberate or stupid deeds, lead to blood, is also a simple example, came to Israel to live in 2000, it was relatively quiet everyone went to Palestinian cities to buy cars to repair cars, because it was cheap, but it cost Sharon climb the Pancake Week (holy for Jews and Muslims), as everything collapsed and the intifada has been around for 12 years
          2. chukapabra
            chukapabra 6 June 2012 11: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: Yarbay
            Have you noticed as soon as the parties come to some kind of mutual understanding, either a terrible terrorist attack or provocation by certain ultra-minded groups in your country begins!

            To whom is war, to whom is mother dear?
            In Israel, the same number of people is not against any normalization with the Palestinians (and I believe that this is not the reason for the distrust of the Arabs). this is money for military orders, positions, influence, etc.
            On the Palestinian side, no one is interested in this for a number of reasons.
            1. At the conclusion of the world, even the hypothetical hope of someday destroying Israel disappears
            Which arabs like a bone in the throat
            and. Due to national humiliation as a result of lost wars
            b. Because of a bad example for its citizens (due to the difficulty of explaining poverty in countries rich in oil and resources), when Israel is near without minerals in general, but with a decent economy, health care, education, and standard of living.
            v. Democracy - whatever they say, Arabs have the same rights in Israel ( and even more t / c / are not required to serve in the army, and upon admission to u-you have a lower passing score)
            2. Palestinians (I don’t want to offend everyone), but the 3rd generation lives in Arab countries in refugee camps. The whole world feeds them, and this is easier than working. The Arab brothers forbid them to not only engage in certain activities, but also settle outside the borders of the camps. (Of course, there’s no question of giving citizenship) Specially creating conditions for people so that, besides the war, they have nothing in their heads.
            Among the enormous number of militants killed in Chechnya, there were quite a few Palestinians.
            3. Palestinians are well aware that in the event of peace, they will have the poorest state in the Middle East. We have to take care of ourselves, build cities, roads, schools - and so the UN gives them everything. Why strain?
            Arabs won’t help them (they don’t give them money even now, and then they won’t give them.)
            4. Palestinians themselves have never had unity. Palestine is now 2 warring enclaves(Gaza - religious Hamas, West Bank - secular Fatah) hating and just killing each other. And they are unlikely to agree, because if it’s religion, then common sense is often a problem.
            5. Well, it is very convenient for the Arab countries to direct the discontent of their citizens to an external irritant, such as. everything would be ok but Israel is in the way.
            Therefore, hopes for peace are illusory. Therefore, as soon as advancement in negotiations begins, we know that the terrorist attacks will begin.
            No one ever wondered why the Arabs accusing Israel of the blockade of Gaza, as they say nothing, that Gaza borders on Egypt and borders. transitions controlled by Egypt With this, he opens the border once a week at best, and most of the goods are delivered from Egypt through underground counter-tunneling tunnels, although they could simply open a checkpoint.
            Why are the Palestinians - before Israel seized these territories - were citizens of Jordan(and the territory was Jordan), their children cannot receive this citizenship <and Jordan simply abandoned this territory ( like Egypt from Gaza - Not the return of the gases was a condition of Egypt in the conclusion of peace with Israel. We, as stupid people, agreed and continue to eat this for so many years.)
            But if in our country, the law. You can hold a rally as much as you want, but when passing the well-known border - to prison, clans rule in Palestine (approximately like in Chechnya or Dagestan) and the authorities in general are only nominal.

            In general, a camel has two humps, because life is a struggle.
            There will never be peace here and 90% is not our fault.
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent 6 June 2012 18: 24 New
        0
        Then the losses were disproportionately greater, consider there the Persians fought more and not Hezbola
  • Professor
    Professor 5 June 2012 10: 11 New
    0
    1. Kars
      Kars 5 June 2012 10: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      Video of the time
      Israel Air Force 1967 Gun Camera Airfield Neutralization


      It’s interesting, how did they then Photoshop? Or did they draw by hand?
      1. vic22lud
        vic22lud 5 June 2012 10: 18 New
        -5
        They shot down Russian pilots over Sinai by hand - from aircraft guns.
        1. Kars
          Kars 5 June 2012 10: 20 New
          +4
          Quote: vic22lud
          over sinai by hand

          Eraser and pencil? The professor here yesterday showed how this is done, do not worry.
          1. vic22lud
            vic22lud 5 June 2012 10: 23 New
            -2
            And we are not worried. Your "aircraft carrier" has pinned itself to our Palestine just now. So even the planes could not lift to show off - something broke again. So he stubbornly rested. And we are all with an eraser and a pencil. And nothing happens.
            1. Ross
              Ross 5 June 2012 10: 47 New
              +1
              The one who laughs last laughs well. 1973 scoffed.
              1. Professor
                Professor 5 June 2012 10: 56 New
                +8
                The one who laughs last laughs well. 1973 scoffed.

                They laughed at 60 kilometers from Damascus and 100 kilometers from Cairo, but then the UN Security Council came running and stopped all this laughter.
                1. laurbalaur
                  laurbalaur 5 June 2012 11: 34 New
                  +5
                  Arabs have always been woeful warriors! They only have to laugh and have to!
              2. vic22lud
                vic22lud 5 June 2012 11: 44 New
                -1
                And still laughing. And what’s the most interesting - and we will always (as always) laugh at these freaks. and you don’t laugh, you will soon plow them (unfortunately)
                1. skullcap
                  skullcap 5 June 2012 12: 56 New
                  +4
                  vic22lud Today, 11: 44
                  And still we laugh And what’s the most interesting - and we will always (as always) laugh at these freaks
                  -------------------------------------------------- ----
                  Well, this is your internal Semitic affair: figuring out who is laughing at whom.
                  Although by and large all the Semites are brothers and must live in peace.
                  1. vic22lud
                    vic22lud 5 June 2012 13: 51 New
                    +1
                    Your words would be yes to Gd in the ears. But it’s better for the Arabs to say it. But they won’t hear it.
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 5 June 2012 13: 53 New
                      +4
                      Quote: vic22lud
                      But they will not hear


                      It will be interesting how the Egyptian Abrams will fight the Merkavas.
                      Well, they’ll probably not lose a single tank from both sides.
                      1. flukked
                        flukked 5 June 2012 17: 07 New
                        0
                        Do you often have the fingers of one hand fighting each other? :)
  • Kars
    Kars 5 June 2012 10: 25 New
    +2
    Quote: vic22lud
    Just now, your "aircraft carrier" pinned itself to our Palestine

    Ukraine has no aircraft carriers.
    1. vic22lud
      vic22lud 5 June 2012 10: 30 New
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      You're lucky. And where are you from Ukraine?
      1. Kars
        Kars 5 June 2012 10: 31 New
        +2
        Click the arrow on the nickname.
  • Vlaleks48
    Vlaleks48 5 June 2012 11: 40 New
    +5
    Arabs were still warriors. And the truth about prayers! Salah, no war.
    They sent ISU-152K fully equipped to the Arabs, even winter hats were placed on a sheepskin. They were removed from storage, licked and all this, along with the bulk carrier, was not even unloaded to the Jews.
    That's what they did with our equipment, they were great. They and the IS-3 were modernized.
    It's a shame that to this day we are not lucky with the allies. Only Cubans in this respect are truly allies. And Angola confirms this.
    1. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 5 June 2012 12: 33 New
      +2
      Only Cubans in this respect are truly allies. And Angola confirms this.


      By the way, in the 73rd year, Cuba sent its contingent to Syria. Cuban tanks kind of even took part in the battles on the Golan Heights.
      1. vic22lud
        vic22lud 5 June 2012 15: 43 New
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        Cuban tanks? Did they send tanks? Well, you can’t do it. Not seriously somehow
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 5 June 2012 15: 51 New
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          CUBA IN SYRIA

          On September 10, 1973, Fidel Castro decided to withdraw Cuba's diplomatic recognition of Israel. Then, during the Yom Kippur War of October 1973, Castro deployed a Cuban tank brigade against Israeli forces in rearguard combat in the Golan Heights. According to Moshe Dayan, Israel's defense minister at the time, some 3,000 Cuban soldiers were defending Syria in 1974. The Cuban military's participation in open hostilities with an ally of the US, even in the context of ultimate defeat for Syria and the loss of some 180 Cuban lives, was hailed by Havana as a proud achievement of Cuban foreign policy in the region. In a speech on December 22, 1975, Castro bragged that it was "... no secret to anyone that at any given moment of danger and threat to the Republic of Syria, our men were in Syria." (13)

          "CUBAN FOREIGN POLICY IN THE MIDDLE EAST:"
          Probably all the same crews. The Syrians had enough tanks.
          1. vic22lud
            vic22lud 5 June 2012 17: 15 New
            +1
            This can be believed. All dishonesty was enough.
    2. Splin
      Splin 5 June 2012 13: 29 New
      +2
      Our teacher at the school told. They brought them brand new tanks. Once, when crossing the ford, time struck, stop the motors and let's pray. The machines then had to be pulled. Our officers were yelling obscenely. Nevertheless, the Vietnamese were the best fights. Although, La viva Cuba! - Cubans also knew how to fight.
      PS And by the way, at the tank parade, the English guns.
  • Dimon Lviv
    Dimon Lviv 5 June 2012 12: 59 New
    -2
    I am glad that the UN has not yet recognized Israel’s right to the Golan. This is the aggressor country, the occupier ...
    1. igor67
      igor67 5 June 2012 16: 50 New
      +3
      Dimon Lviv,
      The Dutch heights in Syria were only 18 years old, a gift from the British
      1. Professor
        Professor 5 June 2012 17: 08 New
        +1
        Dutch

        Golan, without "d", and then the Netherlands will also make claims. wink
        1. igor67
          igor67 5 June 2012 20: 17 New
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          I know this about the damned tablet all the time corrects words, if you do not follow it, it changes itself, can you somehow disable this function?
    2. Splin
      Splin 5 June 2012 18: 56 New
      +1
      When Palestine in the 48th was not divided by Jews, it was the Arabs who took the land from the Palestinians and even blamed Israel. If they had acted by decision of the UN, then maybe there wasn’t that eternal war. It's a shame that our Soviet Jewish officers shed blood for the independence of Israel, and the Americans got their laurels. Maybe this is remembered in Israel, but in the entire Western world everyone knows only about three American bombers!
  • chenderoni
    chenderoni 5 June 2012 13: 05 New
    0
    one of the legends says that the Egyptians periodically turned off their air defense system because the head was afraid that he would be killed for the purpose of a military coup
  • 8 company
    8 company 5 June 2012 13: 41 New
    +3
    Arabs are a strikingly unstable nation. All that they are capable of is to make a fuss about the corner and wash off. They even in 1973, when it was possible to achieve surprise and initial successes, purged cleanly. Their anti-Israeli cries and spells look just ridiculous. My father was in Egypt during the 1967 war, so he says that several dozen Israeli aircraft shot down daily on Egyptian radio. Without fifty brought down during the day, the Arabs did not even go to bed. lol
    1. fern
      fern 6 June 2012 01: 18 New
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      I agree about their combat effectiveness http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj0v1V3M10g&feature=related smile
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 6 June 2012 18: 26 New
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      If the Arabs were united by a united nation, then we all had to oh how unsweetened
  • PabloMsk
    PabloMsk 5 June 2012 16: 29 New
    +7
    Israel is the most adequate state on the Arab side of the Mediterranean Sea.

    Thank God that it is there - the center of normal civilization.
  • Pancho
    Pancho 5 June 2012 18: 22 New
    0
    No warrior is worse than a frightened Jew!
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  • tariff
    tariff 6 June 2012 00: 27 New
    +2
    I have no personal experience, thank God, but how much I studied the wars of the twentieth century, I think that Israel only needs to learn! Everyone has mistakes, but in my opinion no one appreciates the lives of their soldiers as much as they do !!! Now I’m reading “Rolye Company” by Shumilin, my hair stands on end, through which a Soviet soldier went through the Great Patriotic War !!!
  • apro
    apro 6 June 2012 00: 49 New
    -1
    There is a good English proverb. England can lose all battles except one, the last Israel and skillfully fighting, but its victories leading to only one. He hates the Arab world more and more, he didn’t get any coordinating advantages from the wars except the United States. In general, Israel is fighting for the United States. in the region. Yes, Israel does not indicate all its losses in terms of losses, this is one of the elements of psychological war. After all, the Arabs also bite it not weak
    1. igor67
      igor67 6 June 2012 00: 58 New
      +2
      apro,
      in general, Israel is fighting for the right to exist, and if the States and Russia did not climb here, there would have been peace here for a long time, ignorance of history and the eastern mentality, would nullify all efforts for peace, in fact, Jews and Arabs would be cousled by blood and would have figured it out themselves.
      1. apro
        apro 6 June 2012 06: 36 New
        -1
        Dear igor67, if it were not for the USSR and the USA, Israel would not have been at all
        1. Professor
          Professor 6 June 2012 09: 26 New
          +3
          Dear igor67, if it were not for the USSR and the USA, Israel would not have been at all

          And also India, Pakistan, Syria, Jordan? List of states that emerged from the wreckage of the empire to continue? Or do you think the British Mandate would still exist or would Palestine be returned to Turkey?
          1. apro
            apro 6 June 2012 12: 27 New
            -2
            As for India, Pakistan, Syria, Jordan, I don’t know there is a slightly different mechanism for the formation of these states, then Israel arose initially on the initiative. And then, in Stalin, the Israelis changed their owner to the United States and did not seem to see good.
            1. Professor
              Professor 6 June 2012 14: 10 New
              +3
              Israel came into being initially on the initiative. And in Stalin, then the Israelis changed their owner to the United States and did not seem to see good.

              Have you heard of the Balfour declaration?
              I repeat, without denying the positive role of Stalin in the formation of the state of Israel, I venture to argue that it would have arisen anyway since the British mandate ended and the empire retired. For example, she got out of Cyprus and Jordan. Jews nevertheless proclaimed their independence and there would be those who would recognize it.
          2. Insurgent
            Insurgent 6 June 2012 18: 29 New
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            Well, England must have unjustly set aside the territory if Israel got 3 times more territory
  • M. Peter
    M. Peter 3 July 2012 13: 22 New
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