The new version of the Zanzavod "Shell" will go on state tests in 2019 year

The Russian promising anti-aircraft missile-cannon complex "Pantsir-SM-SV" will be released for state trials next year, Interfax-AVN reports, citing materials from the public procurement website.

According to the materials placed on the site of state procurement, next year it is planned to complete the preliminary tests of the complex and go to the state. It is stated that the new complex compared to existing samples will have significantly higher performance, which will be achieved, including the installation of a new radar module with an active phased array. Details about the new complex are not reported, but according to available information, the complex will receive new anti-aircraft missiles, allowing to increase the range.

Earlier, the High-Precision Complexes holding, which is the developer and manufacturer of the Pantsir air defense missile system of all modifications, announced that they were developing a new modification of the complex capable of dealing with drones. The complex will be called Pantsir-S1M. In view of objective reasons, the characteristics of the complex were classified.

ZRPK "shell" - air defense complex short-range. The non-upgraded complex is capable of detecting up to 12 targets. The 30-mm gun is installed on it, the 76 and 90 mm rocket launchers are used. Ammunition - a half thousand cannon shots, 12 missiles. One of the tasks performed is the task of covering a long-range air defense system, including the Triumph C-400.

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[URAL72]

AFAR is good. I hope soon more detailed information appears and all the skeptics shut up. It is good if the AFAR modules are unified with the ship and aircraft, - a large series reduces the cost, but increasing the range is a dubious step - short-range missiles should be cheaper and easier. The carapace is needed to combat the means of destruction, and not their carriers, for this there are much more long-range systems.

[NEXUS]

The firing range of the upgraded Shell is doubled, that is, from 20 km to 40 km. Target detection up to 75 km. That is, in fact, the upgraded Shell will no longer be a short-range air defense system, but closer to a medium-range air defense system.
It is also pleasing that the new missiles will be compatible with the unmodernized Shell.

[Yodzakura]

I wonder what can a tor be more effective?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Yodzakura

I wonder what can a tor be more effective?

The TOR has other tasks ..

"Tor" (GRAU index - 9K330, according to the classification of the US Ministry of Defense and NATO - SA-15 Gauntlet ("Plate Gauntlet")) - an all-weather tactical anti-aircraft missile system (SAM), designed to solve the problems of air defense and missile defense at the level of the division link.

Shell-C1 (GRAU index - 96K6, at the development stage it had the verbal name “Tunguska-3”, according to NATO codification - SA-22 Greyhound (from the English - “greyhound”)) - Russian self-propelled anti-aircraft missile and cannon system (SAM) land and sea based.
It is intended for short-range protection of civilian and military objects (including long-range air defense systems) from all modern and prospective means of air attack. It can also protect the defended object against ground and surface threats.

[gemini]

Both air defense systems are near zone. Thor, however, is a military air defense. The effectiveness of the TOP is an order of magnitude higher than the notorious "Shell" according to the results of joint tests at Kapyar in 2011 or 2012. The "Pantsir" has a bicaliber missile, in which the main stage has no engine. The launcher has worked and that's it. How, in this situation, to shoot down vigorously maneuvering targets, especially at a distance close to the maximum? The reason why "Pantsir" went into service is simple. T. Serdyukov has a good friend working at Kamaz.

[Hypersound]

In Syria, Thor proved to be much more effective against small drones, every 3 times or something. More precisely, it was not so much Thor who abandoned it, but how much the Shell failed with a defeat efficiency of around 30%

[ultra]

Quote: Hypersound

In Syria, Thor proved to be much more effective against small drones, every 3 times or something.

Where does the infa come from? Do you work in the Moscow Region or in Tula at KBP?

[Comrade Beria]

Military expert Murakhovsky apparently blurted out a drink on the entire Internet, and sobered up in the morning and denied everything. :)
But it's late. Now he is in many places shaking hands.

[bayard]

Donetsk.
This is affected by the characteristics of the radar. Drones for attacks on our objects were specially created as inconspicuous precisely for the Carapace radar. In the new version, the radar is of a different, greater power and excellent signature. Actually, this is a land version of the Sea Shell. And that is great . And in the sense of unification, and in the sense of expanded combat capabilities.

[Hypersound]

Read news

[Mestny]

Where? On Echo of Moscow "?

[Hypersound]

https://news.rambler.ru/weapon/41175366-noveyshie-zenitnye-kompleksy-rf-v-sirii-okazalis-provalnymi/
The effectiveness of the Thor is 80%, the Shell is 19%. Not even 3, but 4 times worse

[venik]

Quote: Hypersound

The carapace failed with a hit efficiency of around 30%

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The primary source - TO THE STUDIO !!!! Or is this source - "OBS" ???
But this is already more interesting:

Please pay attention to the numbers in the plate ..... incl. in the column "Missile consumption" .....

[Harry.km]

Quote: venik

Please pay attention to the numbers in the plate ..... incl. in the column "Missile consumption" .....

Yeah, they did. Third line from the bottom: Drifting balloon - SAM consumption 2.

[abc_alex]

AND? Balloons are actually one of the most difficult targets for air defense systems. In the USSR, even a special high-altitude interceptor was made to deal with drifting balloons.

[Harry.km]

Quote: abc_alex

Balloons are actually one of the most difficult targets for air defense systems

And what is the difficulty of getting into a standing target?

[abc_alex]

Well, firstly, it is not standing. You thought it was about tethered balloons. Why so? Balloons move where the wind carries and sometimes quite unpredictably. In addition, they can rise to a very large height.
And most importantly, they are almost completely radiolucent. It’s hard to hit because it’s hard to aim.

[Muvka]

Quote: NEXUS

The firing range of the upgraded Shell is doubled, that is, from 20 km to 40 km. Target detection up to 75 km. That is, in fact, the upgraded Shell will no longer be a short-range air defense system, but closer to a medium-range air defense system.
It is also pleasing that the new missiles will be compatible with the unmodernized Shell.

But it would be better if they did not increase the range, but reduce the dimensions and cost of the rocket, with the same parameters ...

[lopvlad]

Quote: Muvka

But it would be better if they did not increase the range, but reduce the dimensions and cost of the rocket, with the same parameters ...

doubled range is twice the time spent working on the target (for simplicity you will have time not for one shot but for two, respectively, and the enemy’s chances to overcome the armor’s area of ​​responsibility will be half as much).
I am glad that the modernization is carried out promptly according to the results of the application in Syria.

[Muvka]

I am also happy, but it seems to me that it’s like with an airplane wing. If the excess strength, you need to simplify the design.

[Rabioso]

Let the moderators not consider it a provocation ... But Israeli planes in Syria both bombed and bombed ... with shells and c300

[figwam]

Quote: Muvka

But it would be better if they did not increase the range, but reduce the dimensions and cost of the rocket, with the same parameters ...

Everything has been invented ...

[Bogatyrev]

Need a complex to cover artillery fire from the model of Amer. MHTK (based on MML). The direction is right, but these characteristics are not enough. But the artillery and HIMARS - in Syria you can see - often the normal zones in A2AD are turned off and the S-300 is not deployed.

[abc_alex]

The fire performance of the Msta-S battery of 4 vehicles is 32 rounds per minute. Think the rest yourself.

[Vasyan1971]

"Due to objective reasons, the characteristics of the complex were classified."
And right there:

Quote: NEXUS

The firing range of the upgraded Shell is doubled, that is, from 20 km to 40 km. Target detection up to 75 km.

Either - bullshit, or "a talker is a godsend for a spy."

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Either - bullshit, or "a talker is a godsend for a spy."

Dear, what the author wrote about secrecy is partially true. Yes, only the detection radius and range of new missiles were announced, this is also a fact.

At the same time, a selection and analysis of publications on this topic give us the opportunity to make up some idea of ​​the idea of ​​Tula gunsmiths. As follows from media reports, a new radar module has been developed for “Shell-SM”. It is equipped with a multifunctional aiming station with doubled (compared with the serial version) detection range of a typical air target. The following figures are called: 75 km against 30-35 km earlier. Improved radar capabilities are important not only on their own, but also to unleash the potential of a new missile: the claimed maximum range of an air target is 40 km versus 20 km for the serial 57E6 SAM. The updated version of the “Carapace” will be easily “identified” visually: instead of the KAMAZ-6560 chassis, it is supposed to use the KAMAZ-53958 created under the Tornado program.

Last year, there was information that the Shell-C2 complex was spotted on the Khmeimim base.

Calculations ZRPK "Shell-C2" is entrusted today to carry out combat duty at the Khmeimim airbase, covering, together with the S-400, the Russian airborne forces operating in Syria. By the way, the highlight of the complex is the possibility of its use both for air targets (aircraft, helicopters, remotely piloted aircraft and high-precision weapons), and for mobile ground targets.

The 2A38M automatic gun uses armor-piercing incendiary cartridges with an initial flight speed of 960 meters per second. Such characteristics of weapons allow you to hit, for example, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles. At the same time, the “Shell” during operation guarantees the protection of its equipment from any interference, provides the highest accuracy of target designation, and in addition, it works in automatic mode until a decision is made on delivering a fire strike.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: NEXUS

As follows from media reports

So the bullshit.

[KVU-NSVD]

If you increase the effectiveness of the cannon segment, it will be generally excellent.

[lopvlad]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

If the effectiveness of the cannon segment increases

the limit on the range of guns when using "blanks" has already been exhausted, only the rate of fire remains, and this accordingly requires an increase in the weight of the shells carried for it, which is critical for a mobile complex.
For me, so in the Shell the iron guns are ideal and if it needs to be improved, this is the software of the complex.

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: lopvlad

the limit on the range of guns when using "blanks" has already been exhausted

And here is their range? It's about the accuracy of guidance, tracking and stabilization.

[Mountain shooter]

The range of action of small-caliber MANPADS up to 40 km is the result of the improvement of solid rocket fuel by our chemists ... New energy - new speed and range-altitude of ammunition. "Dagger" is also solid fuel. And ... "Iskander"
And the first swallow was "Willow" ... which after the Needle added a kilometer in height. In the same dimensions.

[Hypersound]

That's right, after the failure of the Shell in Syria, they definitely need to be further developed.

[Interlocutor]

You are talking about failure. Give 3 examples. With a description and links to primary sources. If you cannot, then you are a "Chatterbox".

[Observer2014]

The new version of the Zanzavod "Shell" will go on state tests in 2019 year

If a shell with remote detonation was made for the gun !!!! It will be just an armageddon for aviation, and for the "pocket" one as well. Cheap drones will simply crumble from one shell.

[rocket757]

Of course, universalism, and not a variety of graders, is optimal for many reasons, BUT !!!
Universalism in everything, identity is fraught. This is a real competition, who will be able to make SAM more effective than others !!!
I’m watching, reading, uh, I'm glad that our sky will be locked again!

[23424636]

Quote: Hypersound

In Syria, Thor proved to be much more effective against small drones, every 3 times or something. More precisely, it was not so much Thor who abandoned it, but how much the Shell failed with a defeat efficiency of around 30%

The strike is unambiguous and the most important thing is that it is in the theory of defeating moving targets, which came from a fading academician Shipunov .- rudely knocking down the target not with a mass of small striking elements but in bulk to off course, But the cheapness of this alignment proved itself in Syria with a probability of 0.3. Here we are saving the propagated Tula samovar

[Tektor]

It seems to me that the new "nail" of the Pantsir may turn out to be extremely effective: four small-sized missiles installed in the container of a standard missile "Pantsir" of 170/90 mm caliber; if these "nails" provide BMPT and Derivation-air defense. To use Nails, the BMPT must have a radar capable of distinguishing not only enemy manpower in bad weather, but also aircraft. For example, Farah or Sobolyatnik.

[Hypersound]

By the way, I looked at the dynamics of the FlobalFirePower index, and if the trend continues, then already in 2019 the Russian army will become, according to this American rating, the most powerful in the world. It is clear that this position is very conditional and all 3 military hegemons of the world (the United States, Russia and China) are very close, but nonetheless.

And this is practically without taking into account nuclear weapons, mainly considered conventional forces. The presence of a vigorous bomb there gives only some small bonus and that’s it. That is, that it gives some kind of small bonus to France, that the Russian nuclear armada is exactly the same small bonus)) Given nuclear weapons, I think we are already No. 1, as we have more heads (both strategists and tactical ones), and delivery vehicles are more progressive. The United States is planning to invest heavily in them only in the 25-30s ... And even then they don’t know where to get the money.

It is worth noting China - they are progressing even faster than us. Just a little bit, but faster. If the trend continues, then in 19 and 20 we will be in this ranking in 1st place, and in 2021 China will lead it. But then again, given the Nucleus, we, of course, are much more powerful than Asians. Well, at least, they are our partners, if not friends, then, in the normal sense of the word. And not pseudo partners from the West, which are actually rivals, and even enemies.

It is also worth noting that the United States received a bonus for the state in NATO, although it seems to me a dubious thing. Rather, Nato is more of a burden for them and a minus than a plus. Without this bonus, perhaps already this year we would have taken 1st place

In short, in a few years Russia and China will share the first place in conventional forces, and the Russian Federation will be single-handed in terms of aggregate nuclear weapons with Army No. 1. Usa, as usual, will only trail No. 2 after the Russian Federation and China. We look forward to the final slide of America from a superpower to just a regional one with some weight in the world, but it’s not nearly as hegemonic as in the 90s and zero

[spectr]

Recently it slipped on the network that the Carapace was not seen (and was lost). And here is the message that there is a modernized Shell with an updated AFAR. It really seems that the Shells in Syria are getting better.

[NEXUS]

Quote: spectr

It really seems that the Shells in Syria are getting better.

No ... it looks more like you got scratched here.

[spectr]

And why such an insult?

[Dietmar]

[quote = Muvka]
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But it would be better if they did not increase the range, but reduce the dimensions and cost of the rocket, with the same parameters ... [/ quote]

[Old26]

Quote: NEXUS

It is also pleasing that the new missiles will be compatible with the unmodernized Shell.

A missile with a doubled range is unlikely to fit on the old launcher .. In addition, the radar on the unmodified launcher will be old, it makes sense to use a new missile if the radar does not see the target at the same range as on the modernized launcher

Quote: Hypersound

In Syria, Thor proved to be much more effective against small drones, every 3 times or something. More precisely, it was not so much Thor who abandoned it, but how much the Shell failed with a defeat efficiency of around 30%

The media will write something different. We have a lot of experts. There was one such person, he held the post of Deputy Minister of Defense, so he chipped off such "khokhmachki" that it was just right to ask a question, but was his brain okay ... So here. Initially, a complex with the parameters of "Shell" cannot be worse than "Thor", having characteristics higher than those of "Thor"

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And the first swallow was "Willow" ... which after the Needle added a kilometer in height. In the same dimensions.

It is precisely in the same dimensions that a height of 1 km is added. And then twice in the same mass dimensions ???