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Near Omsk, military cars left the rails

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Information Agency TASS reports that in the Nazyvaevsky district of the Omsk region several dozens of wagons of a freight train derailed. According to the latest data, we are talking about military composition, in which, in addition to tanks with fuel and lubricants, military equipment was also transported.


Near Omsk, military cars left the rails


The local emergency services report states that the train crashed near the Mangut railway station (on the Nazyazevskaya - Ishim section) of the Sverdlovsk railway at about 21: 30 Moscow time before.

In total, the 71 railcar and platform came off the rails, of which more than 20 rolled over. Among the overturned - five tanks with fuel (according to some, we are talking about fuel oil).

It is noted that armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation were on several descended mobile platforms.

Derailment of wagons caused certain damage, including damage to the contact network, which led to a disruption of train schedules. For example, passenger trains Moscow-Novokuznetsk, Moscow-Abakan, Moscow-Vladivostok, Moscow-Neryungri and others

According to official data, there are no casualties as a result of the incident, the ecological situation in the Mangut area is normal. Emergency services are working at the scene of the incident, including dealing with restoring damaged lines.
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http://omskpress.ru/
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  1. Olegater
    Olegater 1 December 2018 08: 46
    +5
    Dear forum users, maybe we will not make premature conclusions, after all, for everyone here, the truth is more expensive !!!
    But given the situation, it is possible, as a version of negligence, sabotage. But the truth will be revealed later !!!
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      1. Frieda
        Frieda 1 December 2018 11: 56
        -4
        Quote: Whistler
        Quote: Olegater
        But the truth will be revealed later !!!

        After 50 years, if now everything is opened here, the war will end and the troubled Russian .. Again, shoot some! negative

        Yeah. Already the people ran for the dubbing. You broadcast a direct idea that if a cat left kittens, it is Putin's fault. And the authorities are hiding ...
        Quote: Whistler
        ..Over shoot some!

        Announce, please, the entire raster list. laughing
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 1 December 2018 15: 36
        +1
        Do not whistle, it’s better to let you know who you shot before, what you are going to
        "Again shoot some! "
    2. Gray brother
      Gray brother 1 December 2018 09: 08
      -2
      Quote: Olegater
      Dear forum users, maybe we will not draw premature conclusions,

      Yes, everything is clear. Putin and the oligarchs are to blame.
      1. Machito
        Machito 1 December 2018 09: 23
        +1
        70 wagons got off. Looks went quickly. It’s good that there are no victims.
        1. Stupid boy
          Stupid boy 1 December 2018 19: 17
          +1
          from 70 to 100. Faster there is nothing to disperse. Well, 70 lies. There would have failed the whole drive. But it’s not enough pleasant either. It’s not a good entrance or a decent connection. It’s still fun to pull apart the scrap metal in the snow! it will also need to be taken out later. For the whole winter, happiness ...
      2. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 1 December 2018 10: 19
        +4
        Quote: Gray Brother
        Yes, everything is clear. Putin and the oligarchs are to blame.


        Let’s find out and figure out exactly who is responsible for loosening the nuts. And ... comrade Yakunin, our Orthodox minister, sunshine when you don’t touch something. So where is he, our light and the propagandist of Orthodoxy? his children ..? Ah rejoicing moved to London! What a coincidence. Their success and great strength, because it’s clear that the Russian woman is worried, they will come to their homeland, so she must ride for the pricey. This is the sovereign’s duty, street stressing is called. Yes, and figs, little people in Moskovi completely dark --- they themselves stand on the roads and rush under our European carriages. Is Yakunin himself in disgrace WHAT? what is he in Germany talking about? And why does Tsar Vovan 1 not come out and justify for his boy. I realized, a liberal .... even if a Kolovrat was put out on his hand /// He doesn’t care ... from the Adm. panel there was an arrangement that a liberal means a liberal.
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 1 December 2018 10: 20
          +1
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          .A ... comrade Yakunin, our Orthodox minister, the light of the sun when you touch something. So

          Bites. laughing
          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 1 December 2018 10: 24
            +2
            Quote: Gray Brother
            Bites.

            Today is not very, lure is rather weak. laughing
          2. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 1 December 2018 11: 18
            0
            Quote: Gray Brother
            Bites.
            This is when the St. Petersburg lads will move to the Tuva mountains /// For some reason they disdain the Central Russian plain, the boys, they say, they love to PR against the background of the mountains, well, cool, what, the narold is becoming impoverished, /// On January 1, the passage and the communal apartment are removed from chains, diesel will rise in price, /// In NG, Mr. Putin will issue an appeal and dismiss an amusing speech for the Russian people, they say, everything is normal, we will close and defend, enemies are all around ... already, the constables are scouring Mr. Bryulev's lawn, and these are clearly hostile actions .. I suppose, but they cut me the salary, I have nowhere to complain, because. For the eighteen years of the tsar, such functions as a "trade union" were not even born. It is obvious that in this presidential term there will be intelligible trade unions and pensions, otherwise, you know what happens, comrade military pensioner, I am a proletariat, so I have questions to The opposition is called ---- the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and Navalny is a puppet of the Administration of the President, which determines the entire internal policy ... Therefore, the people will splash out onto the streets. And you can't explain to them that the Ukrainians are to blame for all the troubles, Trump and what they are broadcasting on zombokvadrat I don’t look at it for about 10 years. In the nineties, miners came to knock with plastic helmets. At twenty-twenty, everything can be tougher. When the people begin to twist the locks, no conventional "Zolotov" will save you. I have already seen how cops and the KGB in Moscow defended the law and right in the nineties.
            1. Consultant
              Consultant 1 December 2018 11: 57
              -1
              Quote: Thunderbolt
              When the people begin to distort ...

              Something is already laughing ...

              Quote: Thunderbolt
              shutters

              Ahhhhh ... well, that's okay ...

              Quote: Thunderbolt
              I already saw how the cops and the KGB in Moscow defended law and law in the nineties

              Well, I also saw ... whom they ordered, they turned him. In the same 93rd in Moscow. Do you think you forgot how?

              Quote: Thunderbolt
              Therefore, people will spill onto the streets

              Speaking for everyone is a bad habit, and not everyone treats this with understanding. Speak for yourself ... those: here I’m supposed to splash out... it's so honest wink

              ... Pitersk lads ... narold is impoverished ... Putin will sip away an amusing speech ... for the eighteen years of the tsar ... I am the proletariat ... everything can be tougher ...

              No comments, as they say laughing
              1. Thunderbolt
                Thunderbolt 1 December 2018 12: 23
                +2
                Quote: Consultant
                When the people begin to distort ...

                Something is already laughing ...

                that's right, you can only laugh like a horse, but ... so that in the case ... with feeling and arrangement .... there are no such trump cards against the truth. There is nothing to say, so stand and laugh, I do not forbid this .
                1. Consultant
                  Consultant 1 December 2018 12: 30
                  -4
                  Oh, are we on you already? Lets do it:

                  Quote: Thunderbolt
                  you can only laugh like a horse

                  Not only. Don't even dream fellow

                  Quote: Thunderbolt
                  but ... so that in the case ... with feeling and arrangement ..

                  Is it like that?

                  Quote: Thunderbolt
                  ... Th, the nauld is impoverished ... I’m in arrogance, but I’ve been cut off, I have nowhere to complain ... I am the proletariat ... will begin to distort the shutters ...

                  So this is a set of words, dear. Disjointed. Your dreams are pink and blue. From the couch, look at how "the people will splash out", and you, right to the couch, will bring

                  Quote: Thunderbolt
                  distinct trade unions and pensions

                  Rocker, damn boat laughing

                  Quote: Thunderbolt
                  Nothing to say

                  Oh, there is, as it is ... I’m just not sure yet that it’s worth talking seriously with you ... you haven’t proved your seriousness yet, my friend request

                2. Thunderbolt
                  Thunderbolt 1 December 2018 12: 57
                  0
                  Quote: Thunderbolt
                  shutters

                  Ahhhh ... well, that's alright
                  It's cool in your underpants when you find out Quote: Stormbreaker
                  I already saw how the cops and the KGB in Moscow defended law and law in the nineties

                  Well, I also saw ... whom they ordered, they turned him. In the same 93rd in Moscow. Do you think you forgot how?
                  Pennant went into denial, then his commander was leveled, and he reformatted the completely unique squad. You shot the news from the TV set, or even at the barricades /// you yourself admitted that you used to be for Freedom. In fact, I told you muzzle on the table, but for the most, marry your head or what kind of animals you have in there, it’s the Consultant, judge me. So let your little tusik walk on the rails. Good luck to him, by the way, as they say all the best, --- when strong fed legs, but you stand on the rails of little birth --- only I managed to say about my weak e, a sheep. I wanted to, but I didn’t calculate the time of arrival of the train a little. So we’ll write that the cut-off time of her head is a random factor. There is a funny pattern, because you are a program, but, by the way, you always step over by the pee, for the sake of introducing to the social environment of some hateful ideas. Well, okay, discuss with me, it just hurts that I’m making money and you are dripping /// maybe /// throw in the address of Mr. Prigogine in a personal account, I also want to steer too big on mega patriotism and drink from clear glasses
                  1. Consultant
                    Consultant 1 December 2018 13: 15
                    0
                    Quote: Thunderbolt
                    It's cool in your underpants ... I muzzle you on the table

                    Bazaar filter.

                    Quote: Thunderbolt
                    Well .. okay, discuss with me

                    Thank you, of course, for gracious permission, but I don’t see the subject of discussion yet. I see a stream of consciousness, unfiltered.

                    Quote: Thunderbolt
                    I also want to steer grandly on mega patriotism and drink from transparent glasses

                    Well, you never know what I want ... too laughing

                    Che wanted to say something, the military is Internet?
                  2. Thunderbolt
                    Thunderbolt 1 December 2018 13: 25
                    0
                    Quote: Thunderbolt
                    ... Th, the nauld is impoverished ... I’m in arrogance, but I’ve been cut off, I have nowhere to complain ... I am the proletariat ... will begin to distort the shutters ...

                    So this is a set of words, dear. Disjointed. Your dreams are pink and blue. From the couch, look at how "the people will splash out", and you, right to the couch, will bring
                    All the rest of your crap is a stream of names that they say I have a pug and I’ll tear everyone away. My dog ​​is a cross between a Caucasian and a husky. I don’t envy you if you take a ticket - Korolevo --- Samara
                    So this is a set of words, dear. Disjointed. Your dreams are pink and blue. From the couch, look at how "the people will splash out", and you, right to the couch, will bring
                    So if it were a set of words, then I would not have voiced the people's thought, and you would have been sitting without work. So no, the rabssily’s indignity erupts, I’ve actually been cut off, and they have assigned more responsibilities
                    1. Consultant
                      Consultant 1 December 2018 19: 44
                      +1
                      Quote: Thunderbolt
                      So if it were a set of words, then I would not have voiced the people's thought, and you would have been sitting without work

                      Afiget, do not get up ... well, and you have belay

                      For a "spokesman for people's thoughts" you, IMHO, are somewhat tongue-tied. This is just a start.

                      Quote: Thunderbolt
                      I really cut off sn, and assigned more responsibilities

                      So they could afford it. For some reason, my superiors do not allow such a thing ... that's strange, right? wink
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        2. Stupid boy
          Stupid boy 1 December 2018 19: 26
          +1
          Lucifer ("Bringer of Light") has already dragged one patriarch through the Palestinians to death. Ask Chilingarov, why did he not leave him, together with the Holy Fire, on the ice floe? Alas, for all his deeds he was not allowed to go to heaven. Most likely, he is a pensioner at the next apiary. His replacement is exactly the same "effective manager", about the railway from Wikipedia, who has mastered the track gauge. And this would be enough with smart and competent swing. But alas ...
      3. Stas157
        Stas157 1 December 2018 10: 43
        +3
        Quote: Gray Brother
        Yes, everything is clear. Putin is to blame

        Yes, what are you! Of course not. Do not exaggerate! I really understand your irritation, because Putin is at the head of the most unfair distribution system in the richest (I’m not afraid of the word) country, at the top of the pyramid to fool the population, it was he who was to blame for the polarization of the richest layer and the poor (there wasn’t even such an unfair gap at EBNe) ... but let's be objective! It was not he who committed the sabotage. He just created the conditions for Russian Railways to become a feeding trough for officials leading it, which made Russian Railways ineffective (the price of a ticket, like a plane!). And here the direct fault is rather on the unfortunate officials who brought the road to this technogenic level. However, this is the case everywhere today. In Roskosmos is not better. hi
        1. Major Yurik
          Major Yurik 1 December 2018 12: 20
          +6
          ....... but, let's be objective! It was not he who committed the sabotage. He just created the conditions for Russian Railways to become a feeding trough for officials heading it,

          For reference, 100% of the shares of RAO RZD belongs to the government of the Russian Federation! Putin, of course, for some, is even responsible for pissed porches in houses, but he wants to listen to something. Medvedev is thinking about what his government has turned the railway into, as such! soldier
      4. Frieda
        Frieda 1 December 2018 12: 00
        -3
        Quote: Gray Brother
        Quote: Olegater
        Dear forum users, maybe we will not draw premature conclusions,

        Yes, everything is clear. Putin and the oligarchs are to blame.

        Well yes. Crooked sleepers laid, poorly fastened the rails. And the oligarchs ... laughing
      5. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 1 December 2018 13: 00
        +2
        Quote: Gray Brother
        Yes, everything is clear. Putin and the oligarchs are to blame.

        Of course, they could not do without them. But in this case, the switchman is uniquely to blame.
    3. Baloo
      Baloo 1 December 2018 09: 25
      +4
      Quote: Olegater
      Given the situation, it is possible, as a version of negligence, sabotage. But the truth will be revealed later !!!

      In 1983, on the way to Novokuznetsk, he saw a coal train for improvement that went off the rails already beyond the Urals closer to Novokuznetsk. Typically, this was not in the news.
      You will see what trains are now in one hundred cars and more, some pulling at once two trains of electric locomotives. On the way to the country, I sometimes have to stand at the crossing, I see. Are there enough forces and means to monitor the condition of railways, is the maximum allowable load on the railway track controlled?
      1. Skarpzd
        Skarpzd 1 December 2018 09: 33
        +7
        You see ... everything in general, that is, and laboratory cars are constantly plying. and technology is now in the drive more or less. here people are reduced there yes ...
    4. BISMARCK94
      BISMARCK94 1 December 2018 10: 57
      +8
      Optimization on Russian Railways. And no enemies are needed.
    5. AntonP
      AntonP 1 December 2018 15: 59
      +1
      I think the malfunction of wagon trolleys. After all, it was before this accident with the train.
    6. Stupid boy
      Stupid boy 1 December 2018 19: 10
      +1
      Not Rostov Oblast or Valuyki, waiting for sabotage. "Brothers" -Banderlog in Siberia would freeze. There is no need to buy rails in garbage dumps from southern "friends" - even without marriage they are not designed for Russian frost! When Alexey Yuryevich Mironov and Valentin Iskorostensky will add the amount of "savings" on these rails to insurance payments, and normal Russian premiums will appear for "effective management".
    7. Cynic
      Cynic 1 December 2018 19: 23
      +1
      Weather to hell, heavy snowfall and the wind were almost record ...
      In the city
      https://newsomsk.ru/news/81454-za_minuvshie_sutki_v_omske_vpalo_rekordnoe_koliche/
    8. Sofa expert
      Sofa expert 1 December 2018 22: 10
      0
      So they need it (management of Russian Railways), they don’t draw conclusions from previous disasters, but they get mega salaries .. and the pros get a penny of their business .. here they’re sided with your reforms .. gloating .. Russian Railways has rotted from the head
    9. Poor
      Poor 2 December 2018 19: 10
      0
      I will make a short story, and there judge for yourself who is to blame. It was possible to drive 300 km from Beijing to Botou in 45 minutes, and then from Guangzhou to Beijing the distance of 2300 km in 9 hours on the railway and believe me it never rocked. And then he went from Novosib to Tulun (Irkutsk region), a distance of 1460 km. travel time 1 day 1 hour (25 hours) does not carry boiling water over the wagon and it is not possible to get into the urinal. The condition of the railway track (road) leaves much to be desired. Well, who is to blame?
    10. Aen
      Aen 2 December 2018 20: 30
      0
      ALL ACCIDENTS — DISASTERS — Must be considered as -SATABAGE! .. Well, at the same time accept -All factors!
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    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 1 December 2018 08: 52
      +4
      Go ahead, collect business cards from the forbidden right sector!
      Or do you have a motto, "not a day without stupidity" ?!
      50 PD also drowned saboteurs?
      Bridges in the Amur region too?
      It’s in the minds of devastation and not an old woman with a stick!
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      2. Baloo
        Baloo 1 December 2018 09: 28
        +1
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        It’s in the head, not an old woman with a stick

        I agree that first of all this factor should be excluded. And what, in americosia or geyroppa such disasters do not happen? Are there enough means to monitor the state of the railway track and how regularly it is carried out or has everyone been "optimized" to such an extent that we are discussing the topic of rash ... sloppiness on VO?
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  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 1 December 2018 08: 47
    +4
    Overload?
    Roads are heavily used. Do not have time to repair?
    1. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 1 December 2018 08: 49
      +5
      rather worn out branches ... there is 100% congestion, one of the main highways west-east
    2. Skarpzd
      Skarpzd 1 December 2018 09: 04
      +4
      there is no such thing as overload. deterioration is yes. plus weather conditions. (daily temperature changes), lashes may be ejected. too many cars got off. due to malfunction of the composition is unlikely. most likely ways. But there is no information yet. to go to work laziness. RPS SAUT could have a look.
      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 1 December 2018 13: 55
        0
        Quote: Skarpzd
        too many cars got off. due to malfunction of the composition is unlikely. most likely ways.

        Eugene! hi And non-compliance with the speed limit could cause the departure of so many cars?
        1. Tahtvjd2868
          Tahtvjd2868 1 December 2018 15: 49
          0
          Ruled out. CLUB will not give
      2. Cetron
        Cetron 1 December 2018 16: 01
        0
        The release usually occurs in the summer, in the heat. In winter, a break may occur due to shortened rails. And the gatherings of the compounds more often occur due to a breakdown of the neck of the axis of the wheelset. Bearing wear, overheating - Kaput, cars on a slope. But 70 is too much, this is the whole composition (really 5-7 pieces).
      3. Sofa expert
        Sofa expert 3 December 2018 07: 31
        0
        Connoisseur of safety devices ?? South will not show you anything, and how not to use evidence against m-ta, South is not the main device, you need to watch the club record and listen to the records from the RPL,
        Quote: Skarpzd
        quite right. all of the above is true. + another mistake in the formation of the squad. in certain situations (intensive braking) it is possible to "squeeze out" the middle part of the train.
        it will squeeze out only if empty cars are in the middle of the train .. it will not let you disperse the South (service braking) if the attachment to the crane is closed, the South will give emergency braking, the club will not allow you to power the EPK if it exceeds 1 km / h, the driver will not let the driver fall asleep, lohomotiv norms, or wrong actions of the driver, something happened to the carriage of the car or something to the rails was not it .. if there was a crack in the rail he would drive 40, because on hp there would be a white signal
  4. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 1 December 2018 08: 48
    +4
    The main thing is that there are no victims. And iron is a matter of gain.
    1. prior
      prior 1 December 2018 10: 03
      +2
      This is not a composition, this is a system that went off the rails ....
    2. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 1 December 2018 17: 12
      -1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      The main thing is that there are no victims.

      Is not a fact. Military echelons are accompanied by armed units.
  5. mag nit
    mag nit 1 December 2018 08: 52
    -5
    All railway in Russia - serpentine.
    1. Skarpzd
      Skarpzd 1 December 2018 09: 06
      +3
      well zapsib even more or less profile. Sverdlovsk - nuances are finite. the Krasnoyarsk railway and the Transbaikal railway are "serpentine".
  6. Skarpzd
    Skarpzd 1 December 2018 09: 00
    +12
    I’ll say as a railwayman - 71 wagon cars is a lot. usually less. one must look at the profile of the path, the speed of the train. nuances to hell.
    1. Olegater
      Olegater 1 December 2018 09: 06
      0
      Negligence is present (human factor), can you explain how professional?
      1. Skarpzd
        Skarpzd 1 December 2018 09: 13
        +9
        to comment professionally you need to have information. but I don't have it yet. the human factor is always there. no one canceled it. error and improper actions of the driver are unlikely (but possible). there are a bunch of devices that will not allow you to "drive" the composition and make an irreparable mistake. but any device can be turned off. there are also situations in which it is allowed to disable safety devices. we will look at the results of the analysis.
    2. prapor55
      prapor55 1 December 2018 09: 09
      +9
      As an employee of this depot I report that B21-37 there was a descent in a freight train at a speed of 75 km / h with an electric locomotive 15 cars left. Oncoming freight stopped. At the moment, the movement is restored.
      1. Olegater
        Olegater 1 December 2018 09: 11
        +1
        Dear prapor55!
        Can you give a hint - the reason for the departure of the compositions?
      2. Skarpzd
        Skarpzd 1 December 2018 09: 14
        +5
        decent speed. that is, the descent from 16 from the head of the car? Do I understand correctly?
      3. Baloo
        Baloo 1 December 2018 09: 30
        0
        Quote: prapor55
        As an employee of this depot I report that B21-37 there was a descent in a freight train at a speed of 75 km / h with an electric locomotive 15 cars left. Oncoming freight stopped. At the moment, the movement is restored.

        On a corner with a descent?
        1. prapor55
          prapor55 1 December 2018 09: 43
          +3
          Yes, there is no descent, the profile is almost flat.
      4. Skarpzd
        Skarpzd 1 December 2018 09: 42
        +3
        do you know the locomotive series?
        1. prapor55
          prapor55 1 December 2018 10: 02
          +2
          Sinara Tyumen, our team.
          1. Skarpzd
            Skarpzd 1 December 2018 10: 09
            +3
            Well, the locomotive is modern. for sure there is a full stuffing in the form of CLUB-U, SAUT-TsM 485, TSKBM, KON, ASIM, USAVP. so to violate the speed limit, or the team could not fall asleep.
            1. prapor55
              prapor55 1 December 2018 10: 35
              +2
              We walked at a thrust of 75 km / h, they stopped in an emergency, only the car was to blame, 15 I think with them I had already chased at 6 because he had no more than 3 seconds. The phone is buggy and not all customers leave, sorry.
              1. Skarpzd
                Skarpzd 1 December 2018 10: 39
                +3
                the emergency could also work if the sleeves were broken at the descent. and at 6 the driver just shoved the machine.
                1. urik62
                  urik62 1 December 2018 21: 02
                  0
                  In 3rd it is necessary to set if the pressure drop, 6th not in this case
    3. Same lech
      Same lech 1 December 2018 09: 09
      +2
      I’ll say as a railwayman - 71 wagon cars is a lot. usually less. one must look at the profile of the path, the speed of the train. nuances to hell.

      We will wait for the commission's debriefing ...
      The main reasons are:

      • path faults;

      • breakdowns of rolling stock;

      • failure of alarm and blocking devices;

      • dispatcher errors;

      • carelessness and negligence of drivers;

      • collisions, collisions with obstacles at level crossings;

      • fires and explosions directly in cars;

      • damage to railways as a result of erosion, landslides, etc .;

      • deterioration of technical equipment.
      1. Skarpzd
        Skarpzd 1 December 2018 09: 20
        +3
        quite right. all of the above is true. + another mistake in the formation of the squad. in certain situations (intensive braking) it is possible to "squeeze out" the middle part of the train.
  7. Gray brother
    Gray brother 1 December 2018 09: 12
    +3
    Quote: Olegater
    Can you explain as a professional?

    A commission is needed on the spot. Anyone who understands you will not say anything, because you can’t see the details from the sofa.
    1. prapor55
      prapor55 1 December 2018 09: 15
      +7
      At this speed, there is only one reason, a break in the undercarriage of the car. This is all a consequence of the policy of the Russian Railways. The second case in two years. Again lucky that there was no passenger.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 1 December 2018 09: 18
        -8
        Quote: prapor55

        At this speed, there is only one reason, a break in the undercarriage of the car. This is all a consequence of the policy of the Russian Railways.

        Are you on the commission? Or are you from the board of Russian Railways, a policy consultant?
        1. keeper03
          keeper03 1 December 2018 09: 29
          0
          And you, before asking such questions - poke your brain! hi Firstly, these people from the commission or the board of Russian Railways do not sit here and will not tell you anything, and secondly, the derailment of the cars from the "middle" of the train may be due to: depreciation of the wagon (rail) or terrorist attack (wagon, rails). So, the competent authorities will figure it out!
        2. prapor55
          prapor55 1 December 2018 09: 30
          +9
          I have been working on diesel locomotives since 1991 and I know what I am saying, and the special people from Moscow will write many volumes of garbage, so Lech has thrown it in and will be. And the car inspectors will not be added and the "warranty" shoulders will not be canceled, so I haven't been traveling on trains for eight years because I'm afraid. hi
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 1 December 2018 10: 13
            0
            Quote: prapor55
            I have been working on diesel locomotives since 1991.

            So what? This does not give you any specific case information.
            1. prapor55
              prapor55 1 December 2018 10: 40
              +4
              In the evening I’ll come on duty and there will be first-hand info, after all, our depot. Perhaps small differences. For example, the color of the car and all hi
              1. Skarpzd
                Skarpzd 1 December 2018 10: 43
                0
                not a secret, who do you work with?
                1. prapor55
                  prapor55 1 December 2018 10: 50
                  +6
                  The locomotive driver, as he came from the army, sat behind the wheel of this vacuum cleaner, to this day.
                  1. Skarpzd
                    Skarpzd 1 December 2018 10: 57
                    +3
                    understandably. so to speak "the main villains" on the railway)))
                    1. prapor55
                      prapor55 1 December 2018 11: 13
                      +6
                      Yes, we interfere with their plans to increase and all stupid.
                      1. Skarpzd
                        Skarpzd 1 December 2018 11: 28
                        +8
                        Well, not only you are to blame. Now, if you remove from the railway movers, railwaymen, operation and repair. and leave only the audit apparatus - then everything would be in openwork)))
                      2. prapor55
                        prapor55 1 December 2018 11: 42
                        +2
                        That's for sure! hi
      2. Skarpzd
        Skarpzd 1 December 2018 09: 22
        +2
        is not a fact. just need info. at least go to work.
      3. Skarpzd
        Skarpzd 1 December 2018 09: 41
        +1
        remember the collapse of the Eral - Sim? and what does the policy of Russian Railways? the driver did not comply with the locomotive acceptance schedule, either he didn’t know the equipment, or in a panic he forgot everything he knew and paid with his life and the life of an assistant.
        1. prapor55
          prapor55 1 December 2018 09: 57
          +3
          This is the policy to break in at any cost, to fulfill the plan for the break-in. Uncle came and said, if right now you won’t leave minus the bonus and a bunch of bunts. In the cockpit, a crane is blowing, but they didn’t know why. The kingdom of heaven to them, sorry for the young boys were still.
          1. Skarpzd
            Skarpzd 1 December 2018 10: 06
            +1
            hmm .. as far as I remember, the failure of the crane was in the second locomotive. and the repair personnel eliminated the malfunction. but did not translate the three-way into the "CME" position. when accepting the locomotive, the driver did not check the condition and position of the cranes at all. although he had to do it. and test braking was fictitious. otherwise I would have immediately realized that the train had no brakes. it's the basics. even me, a specialist in security devices and radio communications, I know. and for the driver it's like a Bible. PTE is written for a reason.
            1. prapor55
              prapor55 1 December 2018 10: 24
              +1
              Actually, if it's easier, then in the head cabin we brake with a crane, but in the second locomotive the crane immediately releases, but the guys were scared and either did not look, or did not know that if you have a blow on the crane, then you cannot go. They could have been rescued by trolleys, but the train had just arrived, there was air to the tail and they were braking from the "booth", and then the slope and death had no chance of surviving. Question at the Ministry of Railways, would they be put into one brigade? Would you run in a machinist? hi
              1. Skarpzd
                Skarpzd 1 December 2018 10: 35
                +1
                a little wrong. in fact, only its own brake functioned on the head locomotive. the driver's crane was in fact inactive due to the overlap of the three-way. talked to the machinists. they said that it was necessary to "jam" the nafikh locomotive and create an artificial leak by feeding sand and typhon and a whistle. there was a chance that when the pressure dropped, the automatic brakes would work. but .... it turned out what happened.
                1. urik62
                  urik62 1 December 2018 21: 10
                  0
                  He had time 1,5 minutes, in a panic you won’t have time to understand what was the matter, so without a chance, yes, and the combined one was blocked in the second electric locomotive
              2. Skarpzd
                Skarpzd 1 December 2018 10: 46
                +1
                and under the Ministry of Railways everything happened. I’m not lying - they really took assistants from the street. and the brigades fought among themselves on a trip. I've seen everything))
                1. prapor55
                  prapor55 1 December 2018 10: 48
                  0
                  Assistants, yes, but how many of them later became train drivers?
                  1. Skarpzd
                    Skarpzd 1 December 2018 10: 51
                    +1
                    none of my acquaintances.
  8. Proton
    Proton 1 December 2018 09: 16
    +2
    Even recently, there have been a lot of gatherings of freight trains, almost every week, mainly Siberia, d.vostok what
    1. Skarpzd
      Skarpzd 1 December 2018 09: 24
      +2
      cargo flow is high. + complex profile.
  9. kosmos84
    kosmos84 1 December 2018 09: 17
    +1
    Telegram
  10. kosmos84
    kosmos84 1 December 2018 09: 20
    +1
    A telegram about the crash will come, then I will write about the reason ...
    1. prapor55
      prapor55 1 December 2018 09: 38
      +4
      In the evening I’ll try to find out in the duty room, but here it’s already clear again everyone will hang on the brigade. There was a similar gathering in Lyubino that year, so the driver was dismissed because he had justified the reason for the stop by a simple Russian word. It was at the station itself.
      1. Stupid boy
        Stupid boy 2 December 2018 06: 33
        +1
        "Violation of the rules of negotiations." He knows better from the field, but in the DTSUP it is warm and dry, "in one word" it is not immediately clear. As in the ambulance, - "didn’t it fall or did it go crazy?"
  11. Proton
    Proton 1 December 2018 09: 34
    +2
    There, and the technique was, among other things, on the platforms request

    1. prapor55
      prapor55 1 December 2018 09: 47
      +8
      Now estimate what would happen if the passenger was walking towards 120km / h? We lengthen all shoulders and hard workers reduce steering managers. am
      1. Skarpzd
        Skarpzd 1 December 2018 09: 50
        +1
        as far as you can understand from the photo - the composition went out. curve?
        1. prapor55
          prapor55 1 December 2018 10: 06
          +1
          I won’t say for sure. You are boiling in full swing yet the recovery has not returned.
          1. Skarpzd
            Skarpzd 1 December 2018 10: 12
            +2
            okay. after TLG parsing will become clear. so guess - you turn your head.
            1. prapor55
              prapor55 1 December 2018 10: 43
              0
              Why guess everything again on the brigade will be dumped. Regulations and TD and TP.
        2. prapor55
          prapor55 1 December 2018 15: 26
          +2
          The rail under it burst, while this is all infa, like the SK deal, everyone is now sitting quietly and fearing for their seats.
        3. Stupid boy
          Stupid boy 1 December 2018 18: 55
          +1
          I won’t say for the picket (I don’t know), but the curve there with a departure on an even path. Once it didn’t fail, the collapse went to an odd curb, which means that the odd rail of the odd track burst. outer diameter.
      2. Stupid boy
        Stupid boy 2 December 2018 06: 37
        +1
        About this time 67 was still in Omsk. For some reason ... like the 37th they didn’t deploy to Petropavlovsk -... a riddle. They don’t rake off gatherings faster than in half a day, but there are few ways for technology ...
        There are no oncoming people behind the "weaving" on Friday. Electricity, but much later.
  12. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 1 December 2018 10: 29
    0
    Quote: Gray Brother
    Gray brother (Sergey)

    Quote: Olegater
    Dear forum users, maybe we will not make premature conclusions, after all, for everyone here, the truth is more expensive !!!
    But given the situation, it is possible, as a version of negligence, sabotage. But the truth will be revealed later !!!
  13. g_ae
    g_ae 1 December 2018 12: 13
    0
    And the truth is that Putin and his accomplices thought that the legacy of the USSR could be cut forever (while vilifying in every possible way). And there is nothing eternal. The fat accumulated by the damned communists ends. Hence the bridge falls, and the death of missiles, and holes in spacecraft, and the drowning of the dock, and constant problems at the construction site of the cosmodrome, etc., etc. However, this is not their country. They have spare passports in store, if that. Here are just the Chinese and Japanese to drive another piece of the mole and order. The country, naturally, will not receive anything, as usual. But some accounts in banks of the countries of the probable adversary will be pleasantly replenished.
  14. RL
    RL 1 December 2018 13: 54
    +1
    If I understand correctly - "In total, 71 cars and a platform went off the rails, of which more than 20 overturned. Among the overturned - five tanks with fuel (according to some sources, we are talking about fuel oil)." then this is not an accident, but a disaster. Not a sabotage for 100, maybe the money for maintenance of the tracks ran out, well, or maybe someone put this money into his pocket, loved one. For such deeds, no place in the world is forgiven. The investigation is such that, despite the ranks and relatives, resignations and fines are such that grandchildren will live on 3000 rubles from their father's salary. Just imagine how much it will cost to repair military equipment that "got off the track and turned over." And the repair of tracks ?!
    If only they would not blame the switchman, but in truth they figured it out.
    1. prapor55
      prapor55 1 December 2018 14: 26
      +1
      Belozerov will not be removed and hard workers will not add a telegram for signature in 10 days to everyone. This is not the first or last case. The switchmen will be surely found and punished, this is now the policy. hi hi
  15. Stupid boy
    Stupid boy 1 December 2018 18: 46
    +2
    71 cars are not true. This is the whole train. 21 seems to be. "5 kopecks" -2537 km-section of the average repair of the track, completed in September 2018. With the replacement of the rails. Whether Chinese or Japanese. 30 November - the first really cold night for this winter. And the result was not slow to show itself. Alas, Siberia is not Okinawa. And not even Hokkaido. It is difficult to change the grille in winter, - you will have to drive like a deliberately defective path along all the overhaul areas until summer ... And there are about five of them on this section. We wish you a pleasant trip! "Switchmen"? We will find. We will expel a dozen from the already reduced railroad workers. The next chief will go to the senators. Well, or to the governors, as the cello is invested in the bedside table / case .. ...
  16. Siberianwolf
    Siberianwolf 1 December 2018 19: 13
    0
    That's kind of like an official paper on the accident https://vk.com/chp55?w=wall-62832959_1545933
  17. Siberianwolf
    Siberianwolf 1 December 2018 19: 21
    0
    https://vk.com/doc24449594_482074620?hash=956c6facdcc20e5289&dl=66caa414879e70987d
    Sorry, this link
  18. Rossmk
    Rossmk 1 December 2018 21: 12
    0
    But the version with diversion is quite possible. Do not forget that the Trans-Siberian Railway is strategically important, as it connects the country and, in fact, pulls together territories. Even without war, accidents on the railway cause great damage, since accidents are not only damaged composition and cargo, but also delayed transportation. Obviously, in case of war, the Trans-Siberian Railway will be the target of sabotage, so is it not training?
    1. Poor
      Poor 2 December 2018 19: 49
      0
      this is to the doctor, he will prescribe antipsychotics and you feel better laughing
  19. faterdom
    faterdom 1 December 2018 22: 51
    +2
    The entire military structure is called the military echelon, it is regulated, with its echelon officials, the guard, the kitchen, and so on. Tanks with fuel oil in this echelon could hardly have been, I traveled a lot in those and never met.
    But a couple of platforms with military equipment in a freight train, sorted and re-sorted when compiled on sorting slides at destination stations, could well have been. Even with a guard.
    Then here we have a juggle in terms, or the journalists are not catching up, or specifically for some purpose.
    For the descent from the rails of a consignment, even with military cargoes, is one thing, but a military train, or, say, a passenger train, is completely different! Although, in the pursuit of sensations, many young sharks of the pen are more desirable just the latter.
    1. Stupid boy
      Stupid boy 2 December 2018 06: 45
      +1
      The number is indicated. Graphical. Fuel oil-tail cover along the axes. The fact that in the photo is already the result of "cleaning into the size" using the VP technique. We must drive the trolley of contact contacts-support, try to put the grid, and only then collect the pieces of iron from under the slope ...
  20. LeonidL
    LeonidL 2 December 2018 05: 39
    +1
    That is a random, well, completely random fire on an icebreaker, then a random, completely random accident with a military personnel, then still completely different completely random accidents ... Any randomness is the end result of a chain of laws! But why, after the 14th year, the number of fires and other emergency situations has increased multiple?
    1. Stupid boy
      Stupid boy 2 December 2018 06: 54
      +1
      I won't say about other industries. But the piece of iron began to crumble from the moment when, in order to become a boss, it was necessary not to study a specialty, but to be a neighbor in the country. From the ever-memorable Aksyonenko. Then the "Orthodox" peddler of the Holy Fire. Now is the third reincarnation.
  21. Sofa expert
    Sofa expert 3 December 2018 07: 41
    0
    Quote: Skarpzd
    Well, not only you are to blame. Now, if you remove from the railway movers, railwaymen, operation and repair. and leave only the audit apparatus - then everything would be in openwork)))

    And why then will auditors be needed ?? to deprive the electronics of the prize ?!