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SBU publishes "transcript of negotiations" of Russian pilots over the Crimea

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The Ukrainian media published material that is presented as negotiations between the pilot of the Russian Su-30SM aircraft, the “tower”, the Ka-52 helicopter and the Black Sea ship fleet RF during the incident near the Kerch Strait. Recall that we are talking about an incident when the Ukrainian armored boats Nikopol and Berdyansk, together with the tugboat Yany Kapu, violated the state border of the Russian Federation, not responding to requests and commands of Russian border guards.


It is noteworthy that initially the material with the “decoding” of the radio broadcast appeared on the website of the Security Service of Ukraine.

From the negotiations.

Dispatcher
Seventh, the order of control know? After taking off the course to Primorsky, then go under Simferopol. Control. Further. After the RC, exit to “Mantilla” (ship's call sign), frequency 125.0.


"Mantilla"
How do you accept me?


9-47
Excellent.


"Mantilla"
I also watch you.


"Jumper"
06-497, the task has changed, not to the point, returning closer to the mainland, we occupy the zone. (...) We occupy the zone in compliance with security measures.


Next comes the negotiations on whether to work with a pair of "Mantilla" or one at a time.



After that, the deputy head of the Security Service of Ukraine, Oleg Frolov, said that these negotiations are "proof that the Russian military leadership deliberately gave the order to use weapons against the Ukrainian ships ".

In fact, official evidence that aviation The Russian Federation struck precisely the ships of the Navy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, no. If a full-fledged strike by the same Su-30SM had been carried out, it is unlikely that Ukrainian boats would have remained afloat after that. On the other hand, even assuming that a strike (on the ships or on the square of the location of the ships to cut off from the borders of the Russian Federation) was delivered, what does this fundamentally change? Ships violated the border, on board were weapons. They did not respond to signals from the Russian side, continuing to move and maneuver in the territorial waters of the Russian Federation. According to the SBU, the Russian side would need to give the crews of armored boats and a tugboat a bouquet of flowers for their actions?

The servicemen of the Russian Federation took all the necessary measures against the military ships violating the state border. President Vladimir Putin spoke about the same thing the day before, noting that if the border guards did not defend the borders of Russia, they would have been brought to justice, but all the military personnel acted professionally.

It should be noted that today three wounded Ukrainian sailors were discharged from the Kerch hospital. Wounds were light.
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 29 November 2018 17: 44
    +50
    After this, the deputy head of the SBU Oleg Frolov said that these negotiations are "evidence that the Russian military leadership deliberately ordered the use of weapons against Ukrainian ships."

    But what about border violators? Such a scenario was also possible. These 23 idiots were sent to the slaughter.
    Explanations of Ukrainians and attempts to blame us are very funny.
    I thought that Kovtun was the only one in Ukraine, and it turns out that in Kiev the floor of the city is the same throat-thumped imbeciles about Russian aggression.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 29 November 2018 17: 53
      +7
      Quote: NEXUS
      Explanations of Ukrainians and attempts to blame us are very funny.

      Yeah, Andryukha. hi Stealth on the radar also looks small and defenseless, but understands that either sit on the Russian airfield, or be shot down. Dura Lex Sed Lex hi
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 29 November 2018 17: 56
        +18
        Quote: Tusv
        Dura Lex Sed Lex

        Vladimir hi
        The circus itself will begin a little later, when they will publish the answers of the detained SBU nicknames ... here, I’m sure, you need to stock up on pop food and take the best places.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 29 November 2018 18: 03
          +11
          Quote: NEXUS
          The circus itself will begin a little later, when the answers of the detained SBU are published

          Well, some answers have already been posted. Further, the criminal case and in the interests of the investigation, or anything interesting. Demonstrative flogging of liberals nagging hi
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 29 November 2018 18: 05
            +13
            Quote: Tusv
            Further, the criminal case and in the interests of the investigation, or anything interesting.

            It turns out there was the captain of one of the pelvis, who not so long ago stated that he would drown the entire Russian fleet without looking at the mosquito fleet of Ukraine. So believe me, the most interesting is ahead.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 29 November 2018 18: 11
              +11
              Quote: NEXUS
              It turns out there was the captain of one of the pelvis, who not so long ago stated that he would drown the entire Russian fleet without looking at the mosquito fleet of Ukraine. So believe me, the most interesting is ahead.

              As it is under the Criminal Code, it seems to be aggravating circumstances. We Border Guards violet. Detained - delivered - sort it out
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 29 November 2018 18: 12
                +7
                Quote: Tusv
                Detained - delivered - sort it out

                To clean snow somewhere in Chukotka ... all.
                1. Tusv
                  Tusv 29 November 2018 18: 18
                  +7
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Snow somewhere in Chukotka ... all

                  This is how the court decides. In my opinion, Ukroflot personnel have rolled on the general regime or settlement for at least 2 years. And in the aggregate, they can row ten
                  1. Conservative
                    Conservative 29 November 2018 18: 29
                    +12
                    About one SBUshnik they say that he took part in the ATO. so look further
                    1. Tusv
                      Tusv 29 November 2018 18: 42
                      +1
                      Quote: Conservative
                      About one SBUshnik they say that he took part in the ATO. so look further

                      I've told. For such
                      Quote: Gleb Zheglov
                      Ten for you, per capita
                2. venik
                  venik 29 November 2018 18: 38
                  +8
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  To clean snow somewhere in Chukotka ... all.

                  ===========
                  "... But I will not waste my Magic Power on you ... I will just turn you over to the police .... And you will be sent to Siberia ... - to remove the snow!
                  - All ??
                  - Yes! All! There are many of him! ....
                  (film "Formula of Love") laughing
                  1. sabakina
                    sabakina 29 November 2018 19: 05
                    +1
                    Quote: venik

                    "... But I will not waste my Magic Power on you ... I will just turn you over to the police .... And you will be sent to Siberia ... - to remove the snow!
                    - All ??
                    - Yes! All! There are many of him! ....
                    (film "Formula of Love") laughing

                    Vladimir, hi The quote is not entirely accurate.
                    1. Tusv
                      Tusv 29 November 2018 19: 16
                      +2
                      Glory. We are called New Hyperborea. West agrees drinks Must meet the requirements hi
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 29 November 2018 19: 36
                        +3
                        Quote: Tusv
                        Glory. We are called New Hyperborea. West agrees drinks Must meet the requirements hi

                        Well, yes ... hereinafter we will be designated Atlantis, and after Lemuria in general ... wassat I remember when the State Department stated that aliens help us catch up and overtake the West. Yeah ...
                      2. Tusv
                        Tusv 29 November 2018 19: 42
                        +4
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        I remember when the State Department stated that aliens help us catch up and overtake the West. Yeah ...

                        Yes, to sneeze me on flights of the West. They said that 70 km from Our border is Taboo. Honored and to whom Wishlist Wishlist ukroreyha interesting?
                3. Polite Moose
                  Polite Moose 29 November 2018 18: 45
                  +7
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  To clean snow somewhere in Chukotka ... all.

                  And my other proposal has matured. First, establish the exchange of ukrovoenmorov for our citizens who are held captive by the independent. And then, before the exchange, load them onto our frigate or corvette and take them out to sea for a day for exercises using artillery, air defense, anti-aircraft guns and missiles, and even let them shoot from a machine gun. I believe that two or more generations of the descendants of these sailors will pass on this story by word of mouth at the Christmas table, and the idea of ​​going to war in the Black or Sea of ​​Azov will come to them only in the worst nightmare from a terrible hangover.
                  1. sabakina
                    sabakina 29 November 2018 19: 14
                    +6
                    Alexander, hi , I join! And also, "ride" them on the nuclear submarine with the launch of training "calibers". Just do not allow pressing the buttons "with gas" and "without gas". wink
                    1. Polite Moose
                      Polite Moose 29 November 2018 19: 16
                      +4
                      Quote: sabakina
                      And also, "ride" them on the nuclear submarine with the launch of training "calibers".

                      After this, they will be increased by at least 2 ranks and transferred to teaching.
                    2. Tusv
                      Tusv 29 November 2018 19: 28
                      -2
                      Quote: sabakina
                      And also, "ride" them on the nuclear submarine with the launch of training "calibers". Just do not allow pressing the buttons "with gas" and "without gas".

                      It is necessary to watch the series "Features" from the Russian point of view. There are no special features drinks Since it flies. Where did you see the hook to catch the Warrior, not the fish? drinks
                      1. sabakina
                        sabakina 29 November 2018 20: 05
                        +1
                        Volodya, I didn’t understand, but what was flying in? request
                      2. Tusv
                        Tusv 29 November 2018 20: 15
                        -2
                        Quote: sabakina
                        Volodya, I didn’t understand, but what was flying in?

                        Marine border guards, Airborne or Natural Green caps act the same way. It will fly if not missed or if it is missed. Go understand the defenders of the border hi
            2. Ace Tambourine
              Ace Tambourine 29 November 2018 19: 31
              +3
              Isn't that the one who plaintively "MayDayal" on the air?
              And then he hid in the hold ...
              With disgusting, swarthy faces and running eyes ...
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 29 November 2018 21: 00
                +1
                Quote: Ace Tambourine
                Isn't that the one who plaintively "MayDayal" on the air?
                And then he hid in the hold ...
                With disgusting, swarthy faces and running eyes ...

                Meanwhile, in Ukraine everything is more fun ..
                1. Ace Tambourine
                  Ace Tambourine 29 November 2018 21: 09
                  +2
                  One thing seems to me ... that completely different things will fall under the inventory, which they will look for later in the same way as the Amber Room ...
                  And the relics ...
                  Yes, they will remain there, and this is at best, at worst, in the trash ... They lubricate the skis and Piglet and that’s all ... well, I don’t even know what to call them ...
                  Servants of the Lord tongue does not turn ...
                  And ... the servants of Mammon ...
                  Damn ... And after all, we can’t abruptly enter there now, and taking Faberge, ask a number of immodest questions ...
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 29 November 2018 21: 18
                    +2
                    Quote: Ace of Diamonds
                    Damn ... And after all, we can’t abruptly enter there now, and taking Faberge, ask a number of immodest questions ...

                    It is impossible. We will not fight with the junta, and I think not even with the national battalions, but with regular APUs, where most of the soldiers in the grave saw both Parasha and the junta and this war. And Parasha is shedding to the West, as well as members of the national battalions, like rats will be dumped to the West, whoever can.
                    And then the stench from the West will begin, that the Russian Federation has seized the territory of a sovereign state, that there is an act of aggression, which in turn is contrary to the laws of the United Nations and so on ... in short, the citizens of Ukraine, well, our military personnel will die. In doing so, we will get isolation, the freezing of all projects such as a joint venture, and financial losses, which will not be small at all.
                    Not worth it yet.
                    But ... for starters, you can recall the recognition of the legitimacy of Dad as the law-elected president. And then some kind of cognitive dissonance arises. And Parasha himself has repeatedly said that Ukraine is at war with the Russian Federation.
                    1. Ace Tambourine
                      Ace Tambourine 29 November 2018 21: 28
                      +5
                      So what I'm talking about Andrew ...
                      The problem is not to get in and out, the problem is to separate the grains from the chaff ...
                      And who are we against if we go?
                      Simple, bonded mobilized?
                      Because Bandera-Shukhevych Kodla will immediately become a civilian population and dissolve ... they will never fight ...
                      And we will never be able to eradicate it, even having driven out the entire population of 404 on a polygraph ...
                      Because ghouls are born, grow and act in any nation, and we are no exception ...
                      1. ProkletyiPirat
                        ProkletyiPirat 29 November 2018 22: 21
                        +1
                        Quote: Ace of Diamonds
                        The problem is not to get in and out, the problem is to separate the grains from the chaff ...

                        What for? What is the benefit to us (RF) in this separation of "grains" from "chaff"? We have, as it were, full of our "grain". So this separation is beneficial only to the Ukrainians themselves, so let them work, we (the Russian Federation) are neither warm nor cold from this department.

                        PSYes - Cynical, Yes - Heartlessly, but! but Wise!
                      2. K-612-O
                        K-612-O 30 November 2018 06: 41
                        +4
                        Why do we all give up? Feed, build, rebuild industry again? Enough, independence, so independence. Let yourself get out as you want. Donbas, yes, you need to help with weapons, control, if anything, aviation, and so on yourself. And then this is a wet Euro-American dream: to ruin everything on the nenko, to give debts, and we will rake and pay for all this at our own expense. No, pipes.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 29 November 2018 17: 53
      +15
      In short, our fellows! Everything, period. Let the negotiations of aliens be laid out. At least there will be something new.
      1. venik
        venik 29 November 2018 18: 45
        +12
        Quote: 210ox
        In short, our fellows! Everything, period. Let the negotiations of aliens be laid out. At least there will be something new.

        ===========

        And I liked the negotiations most of all:
        - (Ukrainian boat [hysterical scream]): "All, hto will be in the square ... All, hto is in the square ...
        - (Ship of the Russian border service [calm, slightly irritated voice]): "Lord, shoot him at last so that so did not yell!" lol
        1. Comrade Beria
          Comrade Beria 29 November 2018 19: 17
          +12
          Quote: venik
          - (Ship of the Russian border service [calm, slightly annoyed voice]): "Lord, shoot him at last so that you don't scream like that!"

          This is not a border service ship, but some kind of civilian vessel forced to stand in a "traffic jam" because of these "obochechnikov". laughing
        2. sabakina
          sabakina 29 November 2018 19: 26
          +1
          Vladimir, do you have these talks online?
          1. BAI
            BAI 29 November 2018 19: 59
            +2
            Here on the next branch in the comments the full video of Sharia
            https://topwar.ru/150393-poroshenko-cusimskij.html
            Poroshenko received his "Tsushima"
            1. major147
              major147 1 December 2018 11: 18
              0
              Quote: BAI
              Here on the next branch in the comments the full video of Sharia
              https://topwar.ru/150393-poroshenko-cusimskij.html
              Poroshenko received his "Tsushima"

              Eh! What a "country", such is "Tsushima"!
        3. Wedmak
          Wedmak 29 November 2018 22: 38
          +2
          calm, slightly annoyed voice

          This civilian spoke out on the other side of the bridge. They would certainly have torn these troughs only because they had to stand for a whole day because of several fools.
        4. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 30 November 2018 00: 27
          +1
          This is the voice of another vessel, but not the Whaleboat.
    3. The whistle
      The whistle 29 November 2018 17: 55
      +10
      Quote: NEXUS
      But what about border violators?

      Soak immediately, just like that .. Otherwise, such provocations will be constantly ..!
      Remember the times of the USSR, they all shot down if they violated and the West was afraid to arrange provocations. The border was really locked! soldier
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 29 November 2018 17: 59
        +10
        Quote: Whistler
        Wet immediately, just like that ..

        It would be good, but for now, I think, detention is the best option. Another question is that mobilization is taking place in Ukraine, and children are digging trenches. I think the laurels of Saakashvili Parashe are haunted, and he also wants to fight with us, after which, sitting somewhere in London, to tell how he fought with the accursed Muscovites alone.
        1. The whistle
          The whistle 29 November 2018 19: 00
          +1
          Quote: NEXUS
          It would be good, but for now, I think, detention is the best option.

          How many have already been held back and how many millions in Russia sit out (sending money to the outskirts) Andrei?
          Quote: NEXUS
          Another question is that mobilization is going on in Ukraine, and children are digging trenches

          These "children with their parents" will abruptly disappear from Ukraine (Israel, Canada, Australia, etc.)
          Real Ukrainians sit and shut up and wait, knowing full well how it will all end! Fat and vodka nykut, to meet the liberators ..))) This psychology of the farmers has long been known ..
          Once Russia, tried to "accept refugees" ..))) You all know what happened (even from Kiev in jeeps rushed)))) .. HALYAVA!
          Now everything will be different .. Maybe you have to shoot. soldier
          1. major147
            major147 1 December 2018 11: 21
            0
            Quote: Whistler
            Real Ukrainians sit and shut up and wait, knowing full well how it will all end! Fat and vodka nykut, to meet the liberators ..))) This psychology of the farmers has long been known ..

            I go to the website of the Kyrgyz Republic UA, so there is one "voice" that most of its neighbors approve of Russia's actions and: "They are waiting for Putin with bread and salt!"
    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 29 November 2018 17: 57
      +15
      The record is cropped, at 19: 51-19: 55 according to Moscow time, the pilot asks for work on the target, and the responses of the tower are cut out. Apparently a record from some sort of exercise.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 29 November 2018 18: 00
        +9
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Apparently a record from some sort of exercise.

        And not the fact that these are generally Russian pilots. wink
      2. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 29 November 2018 18: 17
        +5
        Quote: Sith Lord
        MSC pilot requests work on the target, and the tower responses are cut out. Apparently a record from some sort of exercise.

        Sergei! hi If you are in the know, clarify the situation: are such negotiations always conducted through an open channel? I mean the use of aviation in border conflicts. Yes, and sailors, too.
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 29 November 2018 18: 19
          +11
          Greetings to Alexander! No, of course, closed channels, as military, not civilian aircraft.
          1. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 29 November 2018 18: 21
            +7
            Quote: Sith Lord
            Greetings to Alexander! No, of course, closed channels, as military, not civilian aircraft.

            Those. my suspicions of the meanness of this recording are confirmed.
      3. Comrade Beria
        Comrade Beria 29 November 2018 19: 07
        +8
        Ukrainians are wrong. We used aircraft, but not the Su-30, but the Tu-160, with a full set of X-102 2 pieces of 1 megaton each. And only the combat capabilities of the gyurza allowed her to stay afloat after a direct hit. There were 12 missiles, but 10 were shot down. SUGS. laughing

        Quote: Sith Lord
        Apparently a record from some sort of exercise.

        With air darts.
        1. Antares
          Antares 29 November 2018 23: 00
          -2
          Quote: Comrade Beria
          Ukrainians are wrong

          yes there is nothing to trifle
          SS-18 Mod. 3 Satan (optional) of each Gyurza, by the way, and tug 2 at once ... because 1 tripped on tires ..
          And then Russian hackers broke into HAARP and sent a great cold snap in Ukraine .. laughing
          1. Dmitriy66
            Dmitriy66 30 November 2018 08: 26
            +1
            and again Ostap suffered ... but this is for the better ..... humor prolongs life !!
      4. alexmach
        alexmach 29 November 2018 19: 24
        +1
        Something bothers me, and negotiating an airplane with a tower, even during exercises, is so easy to intercept and record to anyone? Sounds a little scary to be honest.
        1. BAI
          BAI 29 November 2018 20: 02
          0
          When Ukrainians bombed Lugansk and Donetsk, too, there were recordings of negotiations between pilots.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 30 November 2018 00: 19
            0
            and this is what matters? I suppose they bombed the SU-25.
    5. credo
      credo 29 November 2018 18: 09
      +4
      Quote: NEXUS
      After this, the deputy head of the SBU Oleg Frolov said that these negotiations are "evidence that the Russian military leadership deliberately ordered the use of weapons against Ukrainian ships."

      But what about border violators? Such a scenario was also possible. These 23 idiots were sent to the slaughter.
      Explanations of Ukrainians and attempts to blame us are very funny.
      I thought that Kovtun was the only one in Ukraine, and it turns out that in Kiev the floor of the city is the same throat-thumped imbeciles about Russian aggression.

      I am not so much surprised by the opinion of another Ukrainian "specialist" as interested in how he determined that this is a conversation between the military personnel of the Military District of Russia, and not between, for example, Ukrainian poachers or smugglers.
      For 9 minutes of "meaningful" conversation, they said twice about ships, twice about pencils and one about weapons. It seems that the Ukrainian "specialists" are trained by the same specialists from the US and the EU for whom the main argument in the evidence base is their opinion, and the rest does not bother them.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 29 November 2018 18: 11
        +4
        Quote: credo
        It seems that the Ukrainian "specialists" are trained by the same specialists from the US and the EU for whom the main argument in the evidence base is their opinion, and the rest does not bother them.

        In Ukraine, many bullshit hawta without even chewing. Parashka still did not understand that this story would come out to him with a wild hemorrhoids.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 29 November 2018 18: 25
          +2
          Quote: NEXUS
          Parashka still did not understand that this story would come out to him with a wild hemorrhoids.

          In another thread said
          Cartoplya is not ripe, but it is time to spud hi
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 29 November 2018 18: 28
            +1
            Quote: Tusv
            Cartoplya is not ripe, but it is time to spud

            I will say the phrase from the Game of Thrones-Winter has come!
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 29 November 2018 18: 31
              +2
              Quote: NEXUS
              I will say the phrase from the Game of Thrones

              I'll be honest. Game of Thrones is much better than sleeping pills than War and Peace drinks
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 29 November 2018 19: 27
                +1
                I'll be honest. Game of Thrones is much better than sleeping pills than War and Peace

                1. This is not so, the book keeps the pace of the story very well. Without reading the chapter you will not fall asleep.
                2. maybe for us, but how would a contemporary of Leo Alekseevich react to such a book?
        2. credo
          credo 29 November 2018 18: 29
          +1
          Quote: NEXUS
          In Ukraine, many bullshit hawta without even chewing. Parashka still did not understand that this story would come out to him with a wild hemorrhoids.

          On account of the fact that "... without chewing." I agree, but about the fact that "... wild ... will come out ..." I doubt it.
          It was not a personal impromptu, but a well-thought-out action, with the consent of the "partners" and with two previously known outcomes. He was given carte blanche and he used it. And the result for him is very good:
          - part of the population is indignant at the "aggressor" and supports him,
          - martial law was introduced in the most unstable areas, and there you can do whatever you want,
          - you can start robbing Russian business under the guise and fearlessly,
          - you can start squeezing the rebellious Ukrainian business, and it’s best to just squeeze it,
          etc. etc.
          In general, not everything is so bad for the Kiev junta, as it seems from afar. In the troubled waters of the situation there you can catch very well, especially when you're in power.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 29 November 2018 18: 33
            +3
            Quote: credo
            - part of the population is indignant at the "aggressor" and supports him,

            Part of the population is not indignant over the aggressor, but about the fact that they are being dragged to the military enlistment offices by force to defend Ukraine to defend.
            In the Rada, even the OP stood on this occasion, as they raided a couple of sons of the servants of the people. wassat

            Quote: credo
            - you can start robbing Russian business under the guise and fearlessly,

            It will not work, maybe, in this case, the business of all the oligarchs of Independence will be covered with a copper basin.
            At the same time, already 22 cities have become cold from the cold, and there will be more further. And no aggressors will distract the population from the fact that the asses are covered with hoarfrost in the houses.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 29 November 2018 18: 52
              0
              Quote: NEXUS
              Part of the population is not indignant over the aggressor, but about the fact that they are being dragged to the military enlistment offices by force to defend Ukraine to defend.

              And with some fright their fuss They sway us? We have no war with the poor. There is no such number of psychiatrists. There is a treaty with the United States on the "non-professional" defense of the borders of the Russian Federation. hi
            2. credo
              credo 29 November 2018 19: 01
              +1
              Quote: NEXUS
              Quote: credo
              - part of the population is indignant at the "aggressor" and supports him,

              Part of the population is not indignant over the aggressor, but about the fact that they are being dragged to the military enlistment offices by force to defend Ukraine to defend.
              In the Rada, even the OP stood on this occasion, as they raided a couple of sons of the servants of the people. wassat

              So far, there have been no mass demonstrations against military registration and enlistment offices in Ukraine, although the junta has been ruling there for 4 years.

              Quote: credo
              - you can start robbing Russian business under the guise and fearlessly,

              It will not work, maybe, in this case, the business of all the oligarchs of Independence will be covered with a copper basin.
              At the same time, already 22 cities have become cold from the cold, and there will be more further. And no aggressors will distract the population from the fact that the asses are covered with hoarfrost in the houses.

              Of course, not everyone is as positive as yours, but in fact it turns out that Russian business in Ukraine is completely defenseless in spite of any international courts, so those who conduct it there are either naive optimists or calculating scammers. As for the frozen cities, it’s the same as about the military enlistment offices - a lot of noise and nothing. No one is building barricades and is not going to overthrow the junta.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 29 November 2018 19: 07
                0
                Quote: credo
                No one is building barricades and is not going to overthrow the junta.

                And you don’t take into account the fear factor at all? The townsfolk are intimidated by several hundred thousand frost-bitten Nazis. They understand that if they take to the streets to build barricades, these fascists will stupidly shoot and not with rubber bullets.
                1. credo
                  credo 29 November 2018 19: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Quote: credo
                  No one is building barricades and is not going to overthrow the junta.

                  And you don’t take into account the fear factor at all? The townsfolk are intimidated by several hundred thousand frost-bitten Nazis. They understand that if they take to the streets to build barricades, these fascists will stupidly shoot and not with rubber bullets.

                  Here we are with you and smoothly came to an intermediate conclusion in Ukraine - "Why bust and hait your power, if, if you wish, she can bury you alive in the yard and she will not get anything for it."
                  While the population controlled by the junta will silently endure all this robbery of the country, a forced call for an undeclared war and cutting off social benefits in the form of reducing utility services, the junta has nothing to worry about and one can live happily ever after changing places - Poroshenko to Tymoshenko, Tymoshenko on Lyashko, Lyashko on Kolomoisky, Kolomoisky on Zelensky, and so on in a circle.
          2. alexmach
            alexmach 29 November 2018 19: 35
            0
            In general, not everything is so bad for the Kiev junta, as it seems from afar. In the troubled waters of the situation there you can catch very well, especially when you're in power.

            There is one aunt in Ukraine, since the age of 14 she has been criticizing Poroshenko and calls the Ukrainian authorities "Khuntyata". So using her definition, we can say that the Junta decided to go to the real Junta. Martial law after all.
        3. Antares
          Antares 29 November 2018 23: 00
          -1
          Quote: NEXUS
          In Ukraine, many hawta this bullshit without even chewing

          I see her for the first time in VO ... as well as many other things that pass as events in Ukraine ...
    6. Conservative
      Conservative 29 November 2018 18: 26
      +4
      I thought Kovtun was the only one in Ukraine


      this is a very big mistake
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 29 November 2018 18: 29
        +1
        Quote: Conservative
        this is a very big mistake

        Who would have given the address of this incubator, where they are grown up like that ... and would blow it up.
    7. major147
      major147 29 November 2018 18: 41
      +4
      Quote: NEXUS
      After this, the deputy head of the SBU Oleg Frolov said that these negotiations are "evidence that the Russian military leadership deliberately ordered the use of weapons against Ukrainian ships."

      But what about border violators? Such a scenario was also possible. These 23 idiots were sent to the slaughter.
      Explanations of Ukrainians and attempts to blame us are very funny.
      I thought that Kovtun was the only one in Ukraine, and it turns out that in Kiev the floor of the city is the same throat-thumped imbeciles about Russian aggression.

      They do not remember (or do not want to remember) what they did with the Russian BMPkhoy and its crew (really
      Russian, and not mythical from Petya's delirium) lost in the borderland and drove into the territory of Ukraine. They shot her. Were injured. The fighters were with Russian documents and with everything that was supposed to.
      1. Antares
        Antares 29 November 2018 23: 12
        -3
        Quote: major147
        They do not remember (or do not want to remember) what they did with the Russian BMPkhoy and its crew (really
        Russian, and not mythical from Petya's delirium) lost in the borderland and drove into the territory of Ukraine

        depending on where she stopped by, if from the Sumy region, it is unlikely. If Donetsk Lugansk is understandable, there is a war, and it has long been clear that everything that crosses the border under the guise of "lost", be it paratroopers or BMPs or some other Shots and Armor, can be military targets.
        And after the north wind, the word "lost" became a household word.
        Although the Ukrainian BMP also violated the border. There was another protest.
        episodes of war.
        By the way, 9 paratroopers then exchanged for 63 Ukrainian military ....
        1. major147
          major147 30 November 2018 12: 32
          +2
          Quote: Antares
          Quote: major147
          They do not remember (or do not want to remember) what they did with the Russian BMPkhoy and its crew (really
          Russian, and not mythical from Petya's delirium) lost in the borderland and drove into the territory of Ukraine

          depending on where she stopped by, if from the Sumy region, it is unlikely. If Donetsk Lugansk is understandable, there is a war, and it has long been clear that everything that crosses the border under the guise of "lost", be it paratroopers or BMPs or some other Shots and Armor, can be military targets.
          And after the north wind, the word "lost" became a household word.
          Although the Ukrainian BMP also violated the border. There was another protest.
          episodes of war.
          By the way, 9 paratroopers then exchanged for 63 Ukrainian military ....

          So Ukraine is at war officially with Russia, and that they, in their pelvis, are driven to the bridge after repeated promises to blow up the bridge?
    8. Halado Romane
      Halado Romane 29 November 2018 18: 48
      +5
      The Ukrainian authorities are already just ridiculous! Rather, listening to all this nonsense can only grin squeamishly. Time passes and some moments are forgotten. Remember how their warriors fled from certain death to Russia and how many surrendering weapons. Then, after all, we also treated them, fed them ... Today they are with a drill rod across our sea border. They were certainly swept away, but still regretted again. If I had the opportunity to appeal to their people and Bandera and to the majority who have a hut from the edge and those who do not care where to live if they are to eat hearty and sleep sweetly, I would tell them - stop testing the patience of the Russians! Not by the fact that you are our brothers. You are not brothers to us. Out of a sense of self-preservation and just out of animal fear, discard this fascist power of yours. We do not want to kill your soldiers, but you will bury them and bury them and bury them if you do not wake up even a bit of conscience and shame that you have turned your country! We do not need your love and friendship. Just think about yourself and do not force us to do what we know best — to defend our homeland and our people.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 29 November 2018 18: 51
        +1
        Quote: Halado romane
        Just think about yourself and do not force us to do what we know best — to defend our homeland and our people.

        This is despite the fact that the funding of our defense industry is being reduced ... and now let's take a look at what is happening in the very center of the USA, despite the fact that mattresses increase funding for the defense industry ...

        And this is the first economy in the world ... with democracy and all freedoms.
      2. Antares
        Antares 29 November 2018 23: 13
        -2
        Quote: Halado romane
        Out of a sense of self-preservation and just out of animal fear, discard this fascist power of yours

        wow .. Kremlin partners to touch ...
        She may not be able to stay in the elections, but here the Kremlin partners go hand in hand .. Helped than they could.
    9. LeonidL
      LeonidL 29 November 2018 18: 53
      +1
      So Absurdistan is the same !!!! Well, what is reasonable to expect from them?
    10. The comment was deleted.
      1. Ace Tambourine
        Ace Tambourine 29 November 2018 19: 41
        0
        So let them turn for advice to the bros hexahedron ...
        Those would not have stood on ceremony all day, and they would have done the right thing ...
        Nobody knows the true goals of this voyage, and what is on board, and I think that the second bridge, my pocket with you, can be pulled out, but only after that it’s as if we couldn’t catch the Maidan against the background of uniforms, olympiads, and others spaceports ...
        Well, let’s keep silent about reforms, etc. ...
        And then again they will screw the title of liberoid to the 5th point ...
    11. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 November 2018 00: 26
      0
      It’s a pity they didn’t drown.
    12. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 November 2018 00: 29
      0
      Pilipino manki!
    13. vik669
      vik669 1 December 2018 12: 31
      0
      And how to deal with border violators? The cattle understands only the stick - that's what to do. With Kovtun, everything is clear and incomprehensible with those who have been playing him for years on Russian TV showing that he grunts "and you have ..." !!!
  2. New Year day
    New Year day 29 November 2018 17: 46
    +8
    Oleg Frolov said that these talks are “evidence that the Russian military leadership deliberately ordered the use of weapons against Ukrainian ships”

    Nothing to say. Are weapons used in such cases unconsciously? With logic, they’re very bad
  3. Tusv
    Tusv 29 November 2018 17: 47
    +6
    The security of the Russian Federation is above all. Border violators are criminals. Leave - a warning shot and you can defeat.
    No need to run into our legislation
  4. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 29 November 2018 17: 47
    +5
    And I like the way the junta express their concerns. laughing And on the subject of this "crying", on our territory and in our waterways we decide for ourselves where to shoot and fly. We will not write reports to foreigners.
    1. The whistle
      The whistle 29 November 2018 18: 05
      +3
      Quote: Sergei Medvedev
      And I like the way the junta express their concerns. laughing

      We have now actually 2 \ 3 of "their fleet" have arrested the current ha ha ha ..
      The rest are all under repair and for a long time .. Soon they will "attack" on inflatable boats?
      Another disgrace of the Kiev junta, at the head of the "cunning Waltzmana" .. It is still not seen that the dashing tribe was plundered in the outskirts
      Potroshenko is now begging for money from the West, for the "fight" .. well, well ..
      1. Ace Tambourine
        Ace Tambourine 29 November 2018 19: 46
        0
        All is nothing, but only again will we half day inflatable boats to mock and go on rams?
        Or, all once and for all, show the mongrels and their owners whose Crimea, what happens to violators, and add a welk ...?
  5. Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 29 November 2018 17: 50
    +3
    Since it’s not special in aviation communications, the question arose - aren't these negotiations between the aircraft and the dispatcher encrypted with guaranteed durability equipment?
  6. Andrey Chistyakov
    Andrey Chistyakov 29 November 2018 17: 52
    +18
    Where are the dispatcher talks on Malaysian Boeing ?! I can not hear!!!!
    1. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 29 November 2018 19: 48
      +1
      They talked in Malaysian ... you still do not understand ... laughing
    2. Antares
      Antares 29 November 2018 23: 15
      -1
      Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
      Where are the dispatcher talks on Malaysian Boeing ?! I can not hear!!!!

      on the Internet, in the commission’s report, dubbing in Rostov.
      Communicated in English. The transcript in the report is the same.
      1. Andrey Chistyakov
        Andrey Chistyakov 29 November 2018 23: 25
        +1
        Quote: Antares
        Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
        Where are the dispatcher talks on Malaysian Boeing ?! I can not hear!!!!

        on the Internet, in the commission’s report, dubbing in Rostov.
        Communicated in English. The transcript in the report is the same.

        Yeah. Dispatchers still cannot find. "Talked" to see after.
  7. Igor Borisov_2
    Igor Borisov_2 29 November 2018 17: 53
    +5
    According to the SBU, the Russian side would need to give the crews of armored boats and a tugboat a bouquet of flowers for their actions?

    And the children of these sailors should be invited to the Kremlin at the New Year tree .... laughing
  8. demo
    demo 29 November 2018 17: 53
    +5
    It should be noted that today three wounded Ukrainian sailors were discharged from the Kerch hospital. Wounds were light.
    So quickly discharged by the fact that they wounded him in the head.
    And then they would have been lying around for a month.
    1. thinker
      thinker 29 November 2018 19: 56
      0
      It is necessary to clarify - two sailors and one SBUshnik.
      https://ukraina.ru/news/20181129/1021920307.html
  9. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 29 November 2018 18: 03
    +6
    Yes, it's a fake. And the military tower, and the combat aircraft, and the ship should communicate through the ZAS - this time. Even if we admit the impossible and communicated through open channels (or the unrealistic that the Ukrainians "split" our ZAS) - then these negotiations would be posted at once - that's two. And so they concocted something like military negotiations and now they will be worn with it, like ...
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 29 November 2018 18: 28
      +2
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      or the unrealistic that Ukrainians "split" our ZAS

      A set of equipment for "splitting" the ZAS in a wearable version fits into a backpack. It seems to be called "Satchel-ZAS" (if I have not confused anything).
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 29 November 2018 18: 45
        +2
        So it depends on which ZAS and depending on which "satchel" winked I doubt it. But the sale of a record from the same "tower" - it happens. But this is the work of the special officers.
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 29 November 2018 18: 47
          +1
          Quote: KVU-NSVD
          So this is what ZAS and what "satchel"

          Very large ZAS and satchel.
          1. KVU-NSVD
            KVU-NSVD 29 November 2018 18: 50
            0
            I say that catching the ZAS and a satchel is the bread of the Specialists laughing
            1. Polite Moose
              Polite Moose 29 November 2018 18: 56
              0
              Quote: KVU-NSVD
              that catching ZAS and a knapsack is the bread of the Specialists

              Among them (specialists) there are also large ZAS specialists. I was the only one at the term of dismissal for half a year.
              1. KVU-NSVD
                KVU-NSVD 29 November 2018 18: 58
                +2
                Quote: Polite Moose
                Quote: KVU-NSVD
                that catching ZAS and a knapsack is the bread of the Specialists

                Among them (specialists) there are also large ZAS specialists. I was the only one at the term of dismissal for half a year.

                Either there was a jamb, or personal hostility. For memory in the territory of the unit did not take pictures?
                1. Polite Moose
                  Polite Moose 29 November 2018 19: 08
                  0
                  Quote: KVU-NSVD
                  Either there was a jamb, or personal hostility. For memory in the territory of the unit did not take pictures?

                  You are looking into the water! There was a "joint" that grew into a personal dislike. And the reason was precisely the photo, only not against the background of the unit, but against the background of the "super-secret" R-140 (this is a HF transmitter) and R-155 (this is a HF receiver) in the KShM-ke. There business was not worth a damn. But he almost inflated treason.
                  1. KVU-NSVD
                    KVU-NSVD 29 November 2018 19: 14
                    +7
                    He acted strictly according to instructions. A photo on the background of the military aviation, as well as inside it, is strictly prohibited. It could have been brought to a disbath if someone had been handed over. Nobody is interested in the real secrecy of technology, because there is no such criterion. Well, you probably, being taken red-handed, tried to prove the essence of the whole truth of life. They would say a couple of mantras about the stupid and unaware repentant salabon and most likely would be limited to a couple of outfits.
                    1. Polite Moose
                      Polite Moose 29 November 2018 19: 21
                      0
                      Now I understand everything, but then .... In general, the "sediment" remained all the same.
                      1. Ace Tambourine
                        Ace Tambourine 29 November 2018 20: 07
                        +1
                        Well, sorry, the jamb was on your part ...
                        He himself has been engaged in photography for so many years, and in the army, including, on a civilian, fotal is everything and everyone, but in the army, well, you need to think and understand ...
                        How many redid albums to demobilization, which are only riding on aging 75ke or 200ke were not removed .. Moreover, I took reagents for development from secretaries ... Yes, I used them to supply them with film, well, demobilized .... I made pictures from twisted and cut winding wire PU, IL-76 demobilized, etc. .. Well, this is generally a separate story, or stories ... I’ll probably force myself to sit down at a monument that will be worse than the Fa ... I’m sorry ... DMB ...
                        So ... I myself did not like and still do not like to be removed ... The only photo with my replacement floated away from the army, against the background of the checkpoint on the civilian side ...
                        By the way, if not lazy, you can read Igor Makagonov's "Commissar" on prose.ru, this is about my replacement ...
    2. Conservative
      Conservative 29 November 2018 18: 30
      +5
      about these negotiations would be posted immediately - these are two


      and if they were smart, they would not see the possibility of interception. So disa.
  10. Cheldon
    Cheldon 29 November 2018 18: 08
    0
    The so-called allies of Ukraine twisted a finger at the temple. But Trump so completely dissociated himself from ukrov
    In an interview with the New York Post, US President Donald Trump asked a rhetorical question: did Ukraine warn the Russian side before crossing the temporarily closed border in the Kerch Strait.
  11. Billy
    Billy 29 November 2018 18: 08
    +4
    “It should be noted that today three wounded Ukrainian sailors were discharged from the Kerch hospital. The injuries were slight. ”
    Professionals, not otherwise! It should be noted - not the aggressors. After aggression, three days later they are not discharged from the hospital, they give a number in the morgue.
  12. Strashila
    Strashila 29 November 2018 18: 17
    +2
    What blow to the ships? There, judging by the video, such a merry-go-round was spinning that it was just that it was easy for its own to be hit. Yes, and they are trifling on trifles, it was necessary to declare the strike, at least a TU-95 regiment with a dozen cruise missiles. And to sink. easily and not forced, a couple of laps at full speed around this "squadron" and the boats themselves would go to the bottom.
  13. Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 29 November 2018 18: 20
    +1
    Quote: Billy
    “It should be noted that today three wounded Ukrainian sailors were discharged from the Kerch hospital. The injuries were slight. ”
    Professionals, not otherwise! It should be noted - not the aggressors. After aggression, three days later they are not discharged from the hospital, they give a number in the morgue.

    Probably they were injured in the head. And why should they treat their head - it’s empty. laughing
    1. Saint
      Saint 29 November 2018 18: 48
      +1
      Quote: Shelest2000
      Probably they were injured in the head. And why should they treat their head - it’s empty.

      But what about the thread? Ears can fall off. It is necessary to check, change if worn out from chewing, and to the court as new.
  14. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 29 November 2018 18: 25
    +1
    After this, the deputy head of the SBU Oleg Frolov said that these negotiations are "evidence that the Russian military leadership deliberately ordered the use of weapons against Ukrainian ships."

    I didn’t understand, and a warship invading our water ter was throwing flowers at before ?!
    they all in the SBU are bad or through one?
    1. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 29 November 2018 19: 02
      0
      exceptional, what to take from them
      1. Ace Tambourine
        Ace Tambourine 29 November 2018 20: 22
        0
        oh ... don't compliment idiots ...
        The exceptional live outside the puddle, God's chosen south ...
  15. Kapkan
    Kapkan 29 November 2018 18: 38
    0
    I don’t understand ... And then what? So it will be to everyone who will do such a thing. What is the problem? Do you want to die? Well, damn it ... Well, have to ...
  16. screw cutter
    screw cutter 29 November 2018 18: 43
    0
    Someone can answer, the negotiations of the VKS pilots, on the battle go in open form? If so, how the Ukrainians copied them?
    1. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 29 November 2018 20: 25
      0
      Duc if in the open, so what is the problem with copying?
      They were just in the same structure, so maybe they still have drawing machines ...
  17. Scud
    Scud 29 November 2018 18: 46
    +1
    Just gunpowder awarded all the heroes-sailors of 50 thousand hryvnia.
    1. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 29 November 2018 19: 00
      +1
      Well there will be something to buy kureha in the zone)))
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 29 November 2018 19: 54
      0
      Quote: scud
      Just gunpowder awarded all the heroes-sailors of 50 thousand hryvnia.

      For burial or what? recourse
  18. boomerang.
    boomerang. 29 November 2018 18: 59
    0
    Quote: NEXUS
    It turns out there was the captain of one of the pelvis, who not so long ago stated that he would drown the entire Russian fleet without looking at the mosquito fleet of Ukraine.

    In relation to drowning, he probably changed his mind, so after this TV show, there were a lot of comments in the comments that this was impossible, etc.
    So I think that the SBU (well, stupid, what can you get from them), in fact, decided to check how it is guarded, and maybe what kind of sabotage to arrange and sent this daredevil Roman Mokryak and Nebylitsa on a mission. Of course, this task was not without curators ....
    But the daredevils, the task was not completed, shamefully taken prisoner.
    After that, the head of the SBU said that he was surprised at the number of forces (ten naval vessels, as well as helicopters and airplanes of the Russian Aerospace Forces) involved in the detention of Ukrainian ships.
    Germany and France immediately refused to help Poroshenko, and Trump promised to figure it out. And Poroshenko declared martial law and children from the foster home of Mariupol, digging trenches. Horror, the children were taken to the front lines and asked: do you see the Russians, what the child answers, no, only the ducks are swimming. But Bandera see Russian ....... fool

    And what did they want so important bridge was not guarded. Russia will not allow a threat to the bridge.
  19. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 29 November 2018 18: 59
    0
    in short Svidomo SBU provided a screech Svidomo media in the near future ... we are waiting for Svidomo experts with Svidomo thoughts
  20. Sergey_K
    Sergey_K 29 November 2018 19: 12
    +1
    Gentlemen, imagine that this is not a fake. Please explain to me why the radio communications are not encrypted ??? What the hell is that ???
    There is also the phrase "I did the job with two practical ones." Is this not from the teachings by chance?

    But in any case, is it really possible to sit in the bushes at 43 and intercept our radio communications ??? Listen, even MOBILE is encrypting negotiations !!!!

    I really look forward to answers from those who are knowledgeable in this topic.
  21. Vladimir 13
    Vladimir 13 29 November 2018 19: 33
    0
    Do not hang around, where not where the morons thought.
  22. Bondik05
    Bondik05 29 November 2018 19: 39
    0
    Based on today's realities. After serving 20-30 years later, these "heroes" will tell the younger generation about the unequal battle of cyborgs with the entire Black Sea Fleet. And there will be in that story a terrible, but heroic battle to the last bullet, and a fight with a squadron, and 5, no 8 helicopters shot down, and being taken prisoner in an unconscious (otherwise they would have won) state.
  23. konst
    konst 29 November 2018 20: 02
    0
    How to stick on us
  24. Topol M
    Topol M 29 November 2018 20: 23
    -1
    Israel would have sunk long ago, and we all apologize
  25. K-50
    K-50 29 November 2018 20: 24
    +1
    Deputy Head of the SBU Oleg Frolov said that these negotiations are "evidence that the Russian military leadership deliberately ordered the use of weapons against Ukrainian ships"

    It is difficult to use weapons unconsciously. Probably almost impossible. what request
    Only here is no evidence of guilt in the Russian incident. request
    1. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 29 November 2018 20: 29
      0
      And sanctions will be added ...
      It’s your fault that I want to eat ...
      Grandfather Krylov looked at the Kerch Strait ...
  26. avebersek
    avebersek 29 November 2018 21: 49
    0
    What can I say, we were provoked. They did not fall for a provocation - they correctly detained border violators. Glory to the border guards.
    One thing scares, before 22.06.41 there were also many provocations ...
  27. Wedmak
    Wedmak 29 November 2018 22: 50
    0
    Something strange negotiations ... For whom did the pinwheel work with two pencils (NURS, not ?!)? What was SU-30 going to work? Pencils too? Or KABami? Not fat for a boat? And there a couple of Su-25 was also there and didn’t keep silent. Where are these records? These would, give them an order, gut all three little ships in 6 seconds, even they wouldn't say oh. Aviation there was just like a club over cockroaches.
    I agree, the impression is that they pulled some records and put them into one.
  28. Antares
    Antares 29 November 2018 23: 24
    -2
    aviation this was the last argument. Moreover, the case was the FSB (border guards). Yes, if the Gyurza would have snapped their weapons and the PSKR would have been damaged, then the aircraft and the navy would have gone into business.
    And so only boats and border guards made maneuvers. Without weapons (Emerald didn’t open fire until the finals - everyone tried to fall on the boats, but he didn’t succeed because of maneuverability).
    So aviation can be left here alone. It took several hours to prepare for the boats and everything was ready. There was also insurance. The overlap was the same.
    Interesting is another.
    If you do not disown your (like ichthamnet) then
    According to the Geneva Convention on the Treatment of Prisoners of War, the personnel of the armed forces who have fallen into the power of the enemy are prisoners of war. All detained Ukrainian sailors are employees of the Armed Forces, who were in the line of duty and had appropriate identification marks. Neither Russia nor Ukraine disputes these facts. Accordingly, there is no doubt that the Ukrainian sailors are combatants, and after the detention acquired the status of prisoners of war.

    they cannot be judged ... however, this never stopped partners.
    Therefore, an exchange is an option to endow the fate of all hostages of partners.
  29. Mark Crum
    Mark Crum 29 November 2018 23: 29
    -2
    Here I read the correspondence of two clever men NEXUS and Tusv, military men to the waist.
    Are you stupid? Russians kill Russians on the native Russian lands, and all the rules and regulations are for you.
  30. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 30 November 2018 04: 07
    0
    I thought there were no kamikaze in the world anymore, but alas, the potheads raised their own !!! Do not give them to ukrainu- they will be "imprisoned" for not following the order; they should have died for Petya Valtsman, but they are alive.
  31. Ros 56
    Ros 56 30 November 2018 09: 27
    -1
    Would you like to drown, would drown these shells.
  32. Servisinzhener
    Servisinzhener 30 November 2018 09: 29
    0
    "Evidence that the Russian military leadership deliberately ordered the use of weapons against Ukrainian ships."
    What do you mean, but the "Muscovites" swore all week that it happened by accident. Like it banged itself. How the authorities "deceive" us, it is good that there are people in / in Ukraine who speak "the truth." laughing
    It seems they exist there in some kind of reality. Because about the use of weapons and about the whole incident, everything has long been described in detail. Including personally by the president.
  33. vnord
    vnord 30 November 2018 12: 46
    0
    And what’s so modest about aviation, they said that they used tactical nuclear weapons in the shoes ..
  34. Pasha
    Pasha 30 November 2018 13: 22
    +1
    The border of the Russian Federation is Sacred and Not touched.
    The intruder has only one opportunity to surrender, the border guards do not give a second chance.
    The first shot in the air, the second on target.
    The fact that they remained alive and are under arrest, I must say thanks.
    soldier
  35. 7 poplar
    7 poplar 30 November 2018 22: 54
    0
    it was necessary to heat good
  36. rc56
    rc56 1 December 2018 15: 26
    0
    Quote: NEXUS
    for starters, you can recall the recognition of the legitimacy of Dad as the law-elected president

    + recognize the DNI and LC with all the consequences ...
    1. ProkletyiPirat
      ProkletyiPirat 1 December 2018 17: 59
      0
      Quote: rc56
      + recognize the DNI and LC with all the consequences ...

      For the Russian Federation, this is guaranteed to be of no benefit, but it will most likely do harm. Therefore, this makes no sense ...