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The Taiwan Air Force abandons F-35B in favor of F-16V Block 70

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The government of Taiwan decided to abandon the acquisition of fifth-generation American fighter aircraft with a shortened / vertical takeoff and landing of Lockheed Martin F-35B Lightning II, and instead decided to buy 72 fighters Lockheed Martin F-16V Block 70 Viper of new construction, reports bmpd blog referring to NI .


The Taiwan Air Force abandons F-35B in favor of F-16V Block 70


The refusal to acquire the F-35B in Taiwan is explained by the fact that the F-35 is too expensive and also not tested in real combat conditions. The authorities of the island intend to return to the issue of ordering in the US 66 F-16V fighters of new construction, the sale of which they previously banned in the States, as well as six additional machines to replace the losses of already operated aircraft of this brand of previous models. Newly acquired airplanes should replace Dassault Mirage 56-2000 fighters of French construction, obtained in 5-s in the Air Force of the country 1990

The Taiwan Air Force has 150 F-16A / B Block 20 fighters (120 F-16A and 30 F-16B), received in 1997-2001 years. Currently, the Taiwan Ministry of Defense has contracted to upgrade 142 F-16A / B Block 20 fighters to the F-16V level.

The F-16V modification is announced as the most advanced version of the F-16 fighter family, equipped with the new Northrop Grumman AN / APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radar (SABR) airborne radar with AFAR.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 29 November 2018 12: 50
    +3
    Everything seems to be logical.
    Penguin is still a cat in a poke, a very expensive cat!
    1. Machito
      Machito 29 November 2018 12: 53
      0
      More and more countries are refusing to buy expensive and crude F-35 aircraft. The Americans hurried and lost the plane. Now they will have to prepare a new response to the Su-57, which will confidently bring the US military budget to the figure of more than one trillion dollars. The American war machine is becoming increasingly heavy on the budget.
      1. Sergey39
        Sergey39 29 November 2018 13: 00
        +2
        Those who are smarter in power there refuse and there is some leverage for Washington. Taiwan confronts China. And who has no leverage - you have to waste money. Yes, and they are trying to delay.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 29 November 2018 13: 20
          +6
          There is no need to give up on the "penguin". He is simply not brought to mind, the infrastructure for his needs is not built. Hastened and raised the price, the first FIXED, to a certain extent. Second, I don’t know, here you have to be a striped whale and stand for everything you own.
          The plane itself will not be an outstanding flyer, and the concept of using it did not require this .... and so, to arrange "network wars" is also a possible option.
          Through our efforts, the development of effective air defense and more "lethal" aviation technology, the same electronic warfare, their concept of warfare. you can rest, there are prerequisites for that, BUT!
          As always, this is BUT, we still need to make a lot of efforts and resources, to prove our truth .... there is, there is something for us to worry about, be afraid!
          Time will judge, we'll see.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 29 November 2018 14: 25
            +2
            Already now, even the closest US allies cannot participate on equal terms with the Yankees. The reason is the lag in equipping network-centric combat control systems. And the F-35 was designed for use in such systems.
            So the future costs of the buyers of this "miracle" are deep in the fog.
            And Taiwan - it is not needed for nothing. And the F-16 with AFAR is just that. hi
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 29 November 2018 15: 05
              +2
              Quote: Alex777
              So the future costs of the buyers of this "miracle" are deep in the fog.

              To someone who has already got into this project, they’ll put it on top of the head! In this minke whales are !!!
              Further expenses, namely the success of this project will depend on, are INCORRECT and therefore foggy. Only the very rich, not greedy, will be able to use this miracle to the fullest .... and when will they bring it to mind ???
      2. Henderson
        Henderson 29 November 2018 13: 34
        +3
        Quote: Bearded
        Now they will have to prepare a new response to the Su-57

        in fact, it is the Su-57 that is the answer to the F-22. On the F-35 response is not yet expected.
      3. arhPavel
        arhPavel 29 November 2018 14: 04
        +3
        The American war machine is becoming increasingly heavy on the budget.



        I alone noticed that if a post expresses an obvious, often repeated, thought with an unpleasant meaning for Western countries and their satellites, then it will pick up minuses.
        If the same thing, obviously and often repeated about the problems of power in the Russian Federation, then this post will grab many advantages at once.

        I drew attention to this bias in the spring, at the moment it is becoming more and more.

        And the second posts are mostly "Cry Yaroslavna" as one of my teachers said.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 29 November 2018 15: 10
          +1
          Quote: arhPavel
          I alone noticed that

          Do you think that they have there, their social networks operate, work differently ???
          no need to climb a tree, which is called naive.
        2. igorbrsv
          igorbrsv 29 November 2018 15: 44
          +1
          You are not alone do not worry wassat
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 29 November 2018 13: 33
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      F-35B

      It is logical, F-16 run-in or fu-35 at a sky-high price ..
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 29 November 2018 14: 24
        +4
        It is logical only for those who do not want to look forward. The MiG-21 was undoubtedly a great fighter for its time. 100% run-in. But when the raw and unreliable first F-16s appeared, the value of the tested MiG-21 dropped to almost zero. He was shot down effortlessly.
        The same generational change is happening today.
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 29 November 2018 17: 19
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          The same generational change is happening today.

          in in. What is the value of F-35 if the enemy has photon radars? zero. and these technologies have already reached the level of refinement of prototypes.
          1. Tibidokh
            Tibidokh 1 December 2018 08: 22
            -1
            Quote: SanichSan
            F-35 value if the enemy has photon radars?

            When they appear in the army ... these radars? No, I categorically want all the attempts of Americans and Chinese with their stealth to go to waste due to the presence in Russia of technologies for a radio-optical photon antenna array (as I understand it, this is the principle of a laser superlens, or something ...).
            But.
            We were promised a new Drying in 2015, then in 2016, then in 2017, and then in 2018.
            Then in 2019 (as many as 2 fighters! fellow ), but, as it turned out, only with the engines of the first stage, since the first flight with the "product 30" took place only in December 2017.
            Back in May of this year, T-50-2 fotkali with ONE engine!
            https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3202227.html

            And then they generally stated that mass production is not required, only 1 squadron will be purchased. crying
            When we see the first new radar in the troops, 2 thousand F-35s will fly in the world. recourse
            Quote: SanichSan
            these technologies have already reached the level of development of prototypes.

            What kind of level is this? Is it already being finalized with a file?
            According to the statement of the RTI concern, this year the stage of scientific research has only been completed.
            Imagine what remains to be done ?! After the advent of the new radar BY PLANE, it will be necessary to test it with another avionics, with a full range of weapons, etc. It is too long.
            For your information, the Chinese company China Electronics Technology Group Corporation already in 2016 tested such a radar at a range of 100 km. The results are striking, the quality of the "picture" will make it possible to distinguish a real warhead from a simulator. information from the calculator allows you to set all the properties of the target object. However, as the range increases, the radar performance drops significantly. The Americans, together with the Germans, also made a new grille in 2008, but they refused to continue this development, as untimely! Those. the task of creating a radio-optical photonic antenna array for a fighter is a task for the years since 30-40s.
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 4 December 2018 15: 22
              -1
              Quote: Tibidokh
              What kind of level is this? Is it already being finalized with a file?

              Well, wrestlers with a redhead, of course, only a file. wassat
              at VO a week ago, the article was about finalizing a prototype. work is already underway to interpret the data received by the radar.
              tell me why you are not aware of the level of Russian developments, but are you ready to lick the Chinese anus with pleasure? what Are you unbearably hurt by the fact that Russia has achieved success? it's good soldier laughing
              1. Tibidokh
                Tibidokh 4 December 2018 17: 40
                0
                Quote: SanichSan
                but the Chinese anus is ready to lick with pleasure

                Do not judge others by your habits. hi
                Quote: SanichSan
                Well, wrestlers with a redhead, of course, only a file.

                laughing So what is the level? What stage? It seems that you just blamed stupidity, and, in order not to look like simpletons, you decided to go personal, calling me a "fighter with a redhead."
                Quote: SanichSan
                work is underway to interpret the data received by the radar

                Does it follow that the prototype for the fighter is ready ?! Absolutely not. Ready is a certain emitter and a certain receiver, which is unknown what size, what characteristics, etc. Therefore, it’s too early to talk about the stage of radar testing for a fighter. Only research is carried out.
                And you do not mind that the adviser to the first deputy general director of KRET Vladimir Mikheev (who decided to brag) ...
                https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4442931
                So, it doesn’t bother you that, according to him, the radar is created for the 6th generation fighter.
                Hence my logic -
                Quote: Tibidokh
                the task of creating a radio-optical photonic antenna array for a fighter is the task of the years 30-40x.

                Hence the ury-untimeliness of your statement
                Quote: SanichSan
                What is the value of F-35 if the enemy has photon radars?

                Quote: SanichSan
                Are you unbearably hurt by the fact that Russia has achieved success?

                You yourself are not funny, what success? In creating a radio-optical photon antenna array? So before this success another 10-15 years.
                And by the way, treat all the participants in the discussions with respect, without showing expression. Then in return you will receive constructive and positive, and not "return".
                1. Sanichsan
                  Sanichsan 5 December 2018 14: 09
                  0
                  Quote: Tibidokh
                  Does it follow that the prototype for the fighter is ready ?!

                  and further
                  Quote: Tibidokh
                  Absolutely not. Ready is a certain emitter and a certain receiver, which is unknown what size, what characteristics, etc.

                  this is an extravaganza !!! wassat
                  By the way, about the sizes you again screwed up. The article directly says that the installation will be more compact by about 7 times.
                  Quote: Tibidokh
                  You yourself are not funny, what success?

                  funny?!? of course funny! laughing
                  It's funny that in any such news an "expert" like you always appears, whose "all calibers in Afghanistan fell and none of them reached Syria", who "no" Petrel "exists because it contradicts the laws of physics ( apparently hastily taken out by the expert himself) "whose S400 F-35 can only be seen at 100 km."
                  well how not to have fun bully
                  the only question that arises from me is where did such experts get out?
  2. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 29 November 2018 13: 00
    0
    Taiwan will win a little in the purchase price - the latest F-16 Blocks are slightly cheaper than the F-35. They will win in terms of delivery (on F-35 a long line of customers). Win in the cost of service.
    But if they have to meet with Chinese aircraft of the 5th generation, then the Taiwanese will have to tight: the F-16 has a large EPR and can’t hide over the sea, like behind the hills ...
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 29 November 2018 13: 11
      +2
      Taiwan gains a bit in purchase price - the latest F-16 Blocks are slightly cheaper than the F-35


      Nuuu .... we'll see for the price ... Until a month or two, we should announce the results of a tender for a new fighter for the Bulgarian Air Force and the most likely thing is that the F 16 Block 70 will win against Grippen (lobism, one, the other) and I can give you an approximate exact price with components (weapons, training, logistics, offset, etc.). If we compare the "bare" price of the two aircraft then the F16 will be much lower, I think. There is no information on the deal in Slovakia, if anyone knows you can compare prices.

      But to buy is not such a big problem, with good desire. But keeping F35 is already impossibly (and stupid) for small countries, to fight without special needs.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 29 November 2018 14: 12
        +1
        "to fight without special needs." ////
        ----
        Taiwan is in a special situation. One fine day, China will present them with an ultimatum (in a beautiful candy wrapper): "Either you return to the bosom of your motherland, or - war."
        If they choose the latter, they will have to give the go-ahead to China's gigantic military machine. America will help Taiwan, of course, but it will not completely fight for them. And then the Taiwanese Air Force will have to withstand an unprecedented load. And here you cannot do without modern aircraft.
        1. g1washntwn
          g1washntwn 29 November 2018 14: 24
          +1
          Taiwan has no tactical nuclear weapons, which means that the penguin is not needed. With Japan and Europe, the conversation is different, where the Americans for the near future need carriers that can carry the B61-12 against "guess who". Although, if the PRC increases pressure, then the appearance of the F-35 in Taiwan with a tactical nuclear one will become very likely.
          I anticipate the questions “Why is Israel then?” ... but guess the right answer three times over.
          1. Butchcassidy
            Butchcassidy 30 November 2018 13: 31
            0
            If F-35s with TNWs appear in Taiwan, then China, I do not think for a long time, will strike the United States with its nuclear weapons of a strategic class. They have it written in the doctrine.
        2. Wolf
          Wolf 29 November 2018 16: 41
          0
          Why would they fight with China? Taiwan is China. Hong Kong got a special position, maybe Tayavan.
      2. Wolf
        Wolf 29 November 2018 17: 19
        +2
        Bulgaria is only an 1 question, but against whom will you use the new Fu16? As a servant of NATO or Vasili against the Serbs or something else?
        1. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 29 November 2018 18: 07
          0
          Bulgaria is only an 1 question, but against whom will you use the new Fu16? As a servant of NATO or Vasili against the Serbs or something else?


          Calm down Serb. The use of the words "servants", "vasals" and the like is not very educated. I was happy when the Russians gave you the MiG 29 and wrote about it on the sim forum. So formulate your question first and bear in mind that Bulgarians have always been friendly with you here.
          1. Wolf
            Wolf 30 November 2018 07: 15
            0
            And I always beat you amicably. But when NATO belongs to us, and somehow it turned out that both Croatia and VI buy more F16 and we have 3 and a half aircraft, a lesser has a question and why do you need them? Doletti to Russia with F16 and Vama and Horvatima is not possible or vradly. What bi Rossia attacked you, and for what is it? So yes, perhaps the answer goes to the fact that most likely these planes will go and that they have beaten usefully against Serbs? Then at Mensh, the words are rather rude. (servant and vazali). You will know in our historical memory that we have poor experiences with you and Horvatim in both 1MB and 2MB. It always turned out that they had beaten the enemy’s country and that they would kill civilians. I am happy for you and your new avion, but it’s only because the bi wrote that they won’t use them against us. And there’s not much else, our people are pretty rich and kulthuroloshki and religion and historically bliss, therefore, I just can’t understand why it was constant in the last 100 years, even 1999 was beaten on the enemy’s country. Thank God you didn’t bomb Ali or NATO used your airspace and vi agreed. Therefore, words are rude and obscene. You know, NATO is eating a terrorist organization, while the partners around us beat the partners in the slavery over the Serbs in 1999. So yes the reason and the good news is that the bi I used was a rude word. In this case, the SERVANT AND VASAL can beat you evenly for you, have you eaten differently, you voluntarily and actively beat the partners in the slavery against the Serbs, but did they beat the servant and vase? . I think of the Bulgarian state. So yes, so far, NATO’s vi saglasni beati is an active successor in their many wickednesses, and they’ve done a lot of zolochin and killed a lot of people, Iraq, Serbia, Libia, Syria, etc. You yourself offer the words how can I call Bulgarian, I’m rusting, but yes it didn’t beat bi offensively, but what did the truth beat? In this little case, the difference between us, at the cost of destruction and occupation of the powers, has never been beaten in history by the partners in the wickedness as a state. AND WHAT IT IS IMPORTANT TO VIA KAO. THE STATE IS READY AND TOMORROW BEAT SAUCHESNIKI IN SOME NEW NATO VALVES. And tell me, please, the word for UTB can be used. But what didn’t the beater beat rudely and abusively?
            1. Keyser soze
              Keyser soze 30 November 2018 10: 47
              0
              So yes, perhaps the answer goes to the fact that most likely these planes will go and that they have beaten usefully against Serbs?


              He said calm down. We do not need anything from our former provinces ... Bulgaria signed agreements with all neighbors and all refused territorial claims. In the 21 century, no one in the EU can have claims against neighbors. We are only interested in economics and all.

              You know, for us, NATO eats the terrorist malignant organization ...


              I know, I know ... therefore, conduct exercises with NATO and you have close ties and buy NATO weapons. I know everything. Soon you will become part of the EU and maybe NATO and then calm down.

              What bi Rossia attacked you, and for what is it?


              Are you serialized ?! We have no problems with the Russian Federation - we are trying to establish gas trade and everyone does not need problems, as the Bulgarian PM spoke about today.

              Let’s think why do we need new planes?

              1. We have all the 30 summer junk in the Air Force that barely flies. We will not cover our Air Force because the Serbs are concerned.
              2. You won’t play a war with a dozen F16. We need small modern air forces to cover our country and we have money for it.
              3. In the modern world and in NATO, everyone is violent about the problems of others; no one will fight over other countries, so we need to cover ourselves. I will not fight because of Poles, Balts, Turks, etc. The Bulgarian army fights only in its territory. Well .... I lied a little ..... if the Russians decide to take a walk to Constantinople, I think there will be many Bulgarians who will gladly join the Russian militia. Here it is yes ... here is our ... laughing
    2. XXXIII
      XXXIII 29 November 2018 13: 26
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      But if they have to meet with Chinese aircraft of the 5th generation, then the Taiwanese will have to tight: the F-16 has a large EPR and can’t hide over the sea, like behind the hills ...

      Yes, they will not meet, Taiwan is not going to fight with China, and China with Taiwan, the warrior’s wet fantasies .... fellow
      The refusal to acquire the F-35B in Taiwan is explained by the fact that the F-35 is too expensive a plane, as well as not tested in real combat conditions.
      Taiwan doesn’t know, or they forgot to tell the Pentagon, but all the fakes were leaked .... smile
    3. Henderson
      Henderson 29 November 2018 13: 30
      +2
      The question is, why did they need the F-35B, and how can the F-16 replace them? He is not VTOL.
      1. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 29 November 2018 14: 35
        +2
        "B" - just SVP. The export version is "A" (for Israel it is delivered, but with the letter "I" - "exclusive" modification). I will assume that there are few orders for the shortened one, and in order to bring down the price, they are simply trying to get them in to everyone. Probably the Americans are hinting to Taiwan that they are an island, which means almost an aircraft carrier)))
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 29 November 2018 14: 46
          -1
          "I" actually stands for "Israel". smile
          1. g1washntwn
            g1washntwn 29 November 2018 14: 49
            +1
            The word "exclusive" refers not to the technical but to the ideological aspect of both the buyer and the seller;)
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 29 November 2018 14: 54
              0
              "Exceptional" is an outside perspective. Why? - I don't understand that either. We do not have such concepts and terms inside. But, let them call ... ("whatever the child is amused with, if only he does not cry")
              1. g1washntwn
                g1washntwn 29 November 2018 15: 01
                +1
                Fe, what a primitive in the use of Russian proverbs. The phrase about exclusivity is not mine, all the questions are to citizen Trump, who is almost not related to you.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 29 November 2018 15: 03
                  0
                  "not nearly related" ///

                  And this pearl in what language? laughing
                  1. g1washntwn
                    g1washntwn 30 November 2018 09: 35
                    -1
                    I say primitive. You were seduced by a deliberate linguistic pun from a half-turn (yes, suddenly this is not a typo))). What can we say about more severe cases.
        2. Henderson
          Henderson 29 November 2018 14: 54
          0
          It seems that Taiwan was planning to build a helicopter carrier. Maybe canceled and therefore replaced the type of aircraft?
        3. iwind
          iwind 29 November 2018 15: 06
          +3
          Quote: g1washntwn
          "B" - just SVP. The export version is "A" (for Israel it is delivered, but with the letter "I" - "exclusive" modification). I will assume that there are few orders for the shortened one, and in order to bring down the price, they are simply trying to get them in to everyone. Probably the Americans are hinting to Taiwan that they are an island, which means almost an aircraft carrier)))

          Well, about vtyuhovanie .. Yes, the United States just does not sell Taiwan F-35B. See the full news. Taiwan refused that they would not give her ...
          "The United States has long rejected Taiwanese requests to sell the F-35B for both political reasons and, it is believed in Taiwan, for fears of leakage of classified technology and data due to widespread suspicions of the existence of large-scale Chinese spy networks in Taiwan."
          And now Tavin decided to try the request for the F-16V
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 29 November 2018 15: 13
            -1
            AND! Thanks for the info. Did not know.
          2. Butchcassidy
            Butchcassidy 30 November 2018 13: 29
            0
            Suddenly! Does the USA protect technologies that were once de facto stolen from the USSR? I mean really working SVP.
    4. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 29 November 2018 15: 49
      +2
      I'm afraid in Taiwan, even a quadrocopter from the Chinese can’t be hidden. But the fleet is impressive
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 29 November 2018 15: 51
        +2
        Yes, you will not envy them. A relative relative with 1.4 billion people and the second largest GDP in the world ... recourse
    5. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 29 November 2018 17: 19
      0
      The Chinese crews do not have the ability to use radar with AFAR.
    6. Maximxnumx
      Maximxnumx 29 November 2018 17: 35
      +1
      Taiwan gains slightly in purchase price


      Gripen 39C- $ 60M
      Eurofighter 3A - $ 117M
      F-16C block 60+ - $ 70M
      Rafale (2013) $ 92M
      F / A 18E Super Hornet - variable - Y2K spec ~ $ 50M, Advanced Super Hornet ~ $ 80M +, EA-18G $ 100M + (up to as much as $ 125M)
      F-15E ~ $ 100M, F-15SE ~ $ 110M
      F-35A FRP $ 83M flyaway
      F-22 - not available for sale. US GAO estimated last 12 F-22s at $ 214M flyaway & $ 412M incl. full dev cost.

      PS: At 30 million / plane, however. Plus service.
      1. Butchcassidy
        Butchcassidy 30 November 2018 13: 26
        +1
        It is also necessary to take into account the costs of the required infrastructure and take into account the cost of an hour of flight. And here the F-35, I think, will not be "competitive", it is clearly the most expensive.
        1. Maximxnumx
          Maximxnumx 1 December 2018 19: 54
          0
          required infrastructure and take into account the cost of an hour of flight.

          I wrote "Plus Service" ... it's on infrastructure. But on account of the "flight hour", here the F-35 wins. One of the requirements of the 5th generation aircraft is the low cost of an hour of flight. Lower than the F-15, at the level of the F-16
          1. Butchcassidy
            Butchcassidy 7 December 2018 19: 19
            0
            I have not heard about such requirements for a 5th generation fighter, I don’t know where you got it from.
            1. Maximxnumx
              Maximxnumx 8 December 2018 05: 34
              0
              I don’t know where you got it from.

              When developing technical specifications for a new fifth-generation fighter, one of the conditions set for developers by representatives of the US Air Force and the Ministry of Defense as a whole was a reduction in cost both at the stage of research and development, and at the stage of serial production.
              ...
              comply with the main requirement of the US Department of Defense and the Air Force - to reduce the cost of production of the F-35 and reduce costs to the level of F-16 fighters.

              // https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201804040902-bhaw.htm //
              1. Butchcassidy
                Butchcassidy 9 December 2018 10: 22
                0
                Well, that's right. This is a requirement of the US Department of Defense, and in relation to the F-22, which has become monstrously expensive, but by no means a requirement for 5th generation aircraft, which, in your words, must be cheaper to operate than previous generation aircraft.
  3. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 29 November 2018 13: 00
    +2
    It is a sound decision. In addition to the reasons listed in the article, you can add the following - if you have the basics of the Air Force in the person of modernized aircraft, you can purchase another seven dozen of the same type in the newest body kit and new construction. The benefits of logistics, service and training are evident. Only Americans are more profitable to push through the 35th, because the more they are sold, the more they will reduce the costs of this program.
  4. askort154
    askort154 29 November 2018 13: 01
    +5
    Now the Israeli lobbyists for the F-35 will "reasonably prove" that they regularly fly over the entire BV, according to a schedule, bomb everyone and nobody sees them. Therefore, it is not the F-35 that is to blame, but the stupid nations that do not know how to operate it. yes
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 29 November 2018 13: 25
      0
      They can prove, at the expense of convincingly the truth is straining! They deserved it, they will have it! Or is it them .... one figs!
  5. SSR
    SSR 29 November 2018 13: 09
    +4
    How so? 1 f-35 can destroy 10 f-16v
    And the Jews who can’t get enough of the f-35 adir, suddenly buy for free 10 billion F-15IAs that are already more expensive than the F-35 ...?)))
    Maybe something else behind all this?
    1. Henderson
      Henderson 29 November 2018 13: 32
      +1
      The news is generally strange. F-35B is VTOL. How would the F-16 is a slightly different class.
      1. SSR
        SSR 29 November 2018 14: 00
        0
        Quote: Henderson
        The news is generally strange. F-35B is VTOL.

        Fighter F-35 A - model, assuming a normal take-off and landing.
        F-35 V - model with a shortened vertical take-off and landing.
        F-35 C - deck model.

        Well, who knows how they wanted to use them.
        1. Maximxnumx
          Maximxnumx 1 December 2018 19: 58
          0
          F-35 V - model with a shortened vertical take-off and landing

          Shortened vertical take-off is cool wink Short take-off, vertical landing.
    2. Vadim851
      Vadim851 29 November 2018 14: 11
      +3
      Israel needs the F15IA as strike aircraft. The F-16i are quite lightweight and the F-35 with external suspensions is not stealth.
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 29 November 2018 13: 24
    +1
    Anyway, this is some kind of interim solution.
    Nothing has been proven yet, has not been refuted by real tests .... though at the expense of the high cost of the "invisible" program, no one has any doubts!
  7. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 29 November 2018 13: 30
    0
    "The refusal to purchase the F-35B in Taiwan is explained by the fact that the F-35 is too expensive an aircraft."
    Ungrateful rogues! Paid and cried!
  8. igorra
    igorra 29 November 2018 13: 33
    0
    F-16 is more and more like letter designations on German ME-109 with its series B, C, D, E, F, G, etc. I hope our Pokryshkins and Kozhedubov are not extinct, to plant this menagerie on sinful earth.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 29 November 2018 14: 29
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      In the right. F-16 are becoming obsolete. How sharply outdated both Me-109 and wonderful La-5 with the advent of the first reactive.
      New Pokryshkins and Kozhedubs will not have time to become aces if they are put at the helm of obsolete air vehicles.
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 29 November 2018 15: 37
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        New Pokryshkins and Kozhedubs will not have time to become aces if they are put at the helm of obsolete air vehicles.

        A plant? Who!
  9. fa2998
    fa2998 29 November 2018 13: 35
    +1
    Quote: rocket757
    Everything seems to be logical.
    Penguin is still a cat in a poke, a very expensive cat!

    Just why Taiwan aircraft for aircraft carriers? They have the main enemy nearby, across the strait. For the same money, they will buy a large batch, and they will modernize the existing ones. hi
  10. san4es
    san4es 29 November 2018 14: 40
    +3
    F-16V is announced as the most advanced version of the F-16 fighter family, equipped with the new Northrop Grumman AN / APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radar (SABR) airborne radar with AFAR
    https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/products/f-16/f-16-block-70.html
  11. EnGenius
    EnGenius 29 November 2018 16: 16
    +1
    F-35 is not for real war, but for armies with a qualitative superiority. That is, it is more for US expeditionary operations. For the rest, it is just an expensive version of the 4th generation aircraft. Who is willing to pay for it, and who has serious problems and real tasks is not ready
    1. Wolf
      Wolf 29 November 2018 16: 53
      +1
      Yes, in order to gain the superiority of the Fu35, we need the infrastructure of the USA and maybe a bit of Israel (which is totally wrong). Fu35 is not for small strontium and small army. Taiwanese smart there studied at LaoTse and Confucius, and also at Sun Tzu. The 5th generation of aircraft is only for super-rust or super power. Spending dengue on Fu35 or F22 in a small state can only be monkeys. :)
      1. Wolf
        Wolf 29 November 2018 16: 57
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        Or if forced. :)
      2. Wolf
        Wolf 29 November 2018 17: 24
        +1
        Fu16 is also not the right decision !!! Su 35 eats but ..........
      3. Wolf
        Wolf 29 November 2018 17: 36
        +2
        Today, the 5th generation of aircraft can be used only: the USA, CHINA, RUSS in full. The rest can only dream and spend dengue. Soon you will see how the world leader CHINA will behave? Like the USA or Luda? The USA has already passed. But maybe a bit and Ivan the Great (Grozny) in the union state of the Slavens will rule the world. The time has come that bi Slaveni rules.
        1. XXXIII
          XXXIII 29 November 2018 19: 54
          +1
          Quote: Wolf
          The time has come that bi Slaveni rules.

          yes hi
  12. Avior
    Avior 29 November 2018 20: 12
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    to abandon the acquisition of fifth-generation American fighter aircraft with shortened / vertical take-off and landing Lockheed Martin F-35B Lightning II, and in return decided to purchase 72 Lockheed Martin F-16V Block 70 Viper fighters

    What kind of bamboo do they smoke? Well this is completely different planes.
    And if you compare the price of f-35a with the latest f-16, so they are comparable in price.
    1. Wolf
      Wolf 29 November 2018 20: 16
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      At a price almost comparable, for Taiwan it’s useless;
      1. Avior
        Avior 29 November 2018 20: 22
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        and why are they useless?
        1. Wolf
          Wolf 30 November 2018 04: 17
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          They will be used as generation 4. They don’t have the infrastructure that is needed for the use of such an airplane. And the cost of 1 MF F35 and F16 is no longer approximate. If F35 is used as generation 4, then 100 percent lose. Even Rafali at the blisk battle is much more dangerous for them. Does not talk about SU 35 and SU 30.
  13. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 29 November 2018 20: 24
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    I wonder why on a small island there are so many planes? Are China People Afraid? So a thousand aircraft will not help them.
    1. Avior
      Avior 29 November 2018 20: 53
      +1
      yes, they are afraid.
      while it helps.
      After all, China does not want to destroy Taiwan, but to annex it.
  14. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 30 November 2018 13: 23
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    The first swallow ...