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In the Russian Federation, the start dates for the creation of a station in circumlunar orbit are named.

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Construction of the Russian station in circumlunar orbit is expected to begin in 2025 year with the launch of the base module, reports RIA News With reference to the "Roadmap for the implementation of the lunar program."




The document prepared by the general designer of manned complexes, Evgeny Mikrin, states that the base module is planned to be launched to the moon at the end of 2025 of the year. Later, ships arriving from the Earth and take-off and landing modules for landing astronauts on the Moon’s surface will dock with it.

Previously, sources in the rocket and space industry reported that such a station could be built between 2030 and 2035 a year.

Recently, during the conference dedicated to the 20 anniversary of the ISS, Mikrin presented the concept of a national near-moon station, the modules of which are planned to be tested in near-earth orbit as part of the further construction of the Russian segment of the ISS. The basis of the near-moon station will be a node module with several docking nodes, a motor and a science and energy module developed for the ISS.

At the same time, the Russian designers in the framework of the memorandum signed by NASA and Roskosmos are developing a gateway module for the near-moon Gateway station, the construction of which is proposed by the United States.

Earlier, the head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin told the publication that in the coming months, together with the Russian Academy of Sciences, the concept of a lunar program of the Russian Federation will be prepared.

On the eve of the head of the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences Anatoly Petrukovich said that the near-moon station is of much less interest than the base on the surface of the Moon itself. This is due to the fact that astronauts will not be able to stay in it permanently due to high doses of radiation, moreover, there is not enough space for scientific experiments.
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  1. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 29 November 2018 08: 17
    +14
    Don’t give money to Rogozin-profukets like the Vostochny cosmodrome.
    1. Machito
      Machito 29 November 2018 08: 31
      +19
      In Rogozin’s lips, it sounds like Andersen’s tales.
      With the near-Earth orbital station, the situation is incomprehensible.
      Reminds New Vasyuki Ostap Suleiman Ibrahim Bender Bay.
      Or is this news misinforming the US?
      We need a real space program with real terms and responsibility of performers, including the military component.
      Oh, we are missing Sergei Pavlovich Korolev.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 29 November 2018 08: 35
        +4
        Well, about the near-moon station, the article says not Rogozin, but the general designer. Things are of different orders.
        1. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 29 November 2018 08: 39
          +3
          And this radish will be tyrit. "Space debris"
          1. 210ox
            210ox 29 November 2018 08: 44
            +1
            I hope that this "radish" will be merged. This person is becoming too odious. Chubais, for example, is now trying to stay in the shadows. And D. Rogozin climbs with loud statements without having any achievements behind his soul, on the contrary, only high-profile criminal cases. In the end he will be a scapegoat ...
            1. Qwertyarion
              Qwertyarion 29 November 2018 09: 21
              +7
              D. Rogozin was given such a role, so that a little people would amuse with statements, such as about launching Americans on a trampoline in space. His words have nothing to do with business, it’s chants for the people, so to speak.
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 29 November 2018 15: 20
                0
                And who will remember about this promise by the year 2025?
                And who will be responsible for the failure?
                A roadmap of projects affecting both a significant part of the country's budget and national pride should be published in the media in full (with the exception of military secrets), and monthly indicate how the work is going.
                And then heard. By the 1980s, the country will live under communism, by the 2000s, every family will have an apartment ...
                1. Qwertyarion
                  Qwertyarion 29 November 2018 15: 28
                  0
                  Quote: Shurik70
                  And who will remember about this promise by the year 2025?
                  And who will be responsible for the failure?

                  No one will remember and no one will answer!
        2. Machito
          Machito 29 November 2018 08: 40
          +3
          Quote: 210ox
          Well, about the near-moon station, the article says not Rogozin, but the general designer. Things are of different orders.

          It’s good that it’s not Arkady Raikin.
          We would first build a near-earth station, and they talk about building a near-moon station, as if they were going to whitewash the ceilings in the corridor.
          Can you build a station on Mars right away? Or on Jupiter? With Alpha Centauri, we will take a while.
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 29 November 2018 11: 00
            +2
            Quote: Bearded
            With Alpha Centauri we will wait a little while.
            And why waste time on trifles, dream, so do not deny yourself anything! Moreover, if you entrust the business to Hollywood, they can't spit it, Hollywood has been on the Moon for a long time ... All modern space stations are actually in the upper atmosphere, the exosphere, higher radiation, from which there is no effective protection. In this sense, all the manned "flights" of the Americans to the Moon in the last century are blatant falsification. Another big question is whether the biblical parable of the Tower of Babel is not a hint of the impossibility of earthlings to move away from the planet. In any case, even for modern technologies, of the XXI century, landing on the Moon, an accident-free sequence of flights, without preliminary preparation, stages, it is almost fantastic, what to say about fairy tales in 1969, from the "great space achievements" of Hollywood. Only Soviet lunar rovers rode on the moon, that's true.
            1. Machito
              Machito 29 November 2018 11: 27
              0
              It's time for Rogozin to send a movie about space to Mosfilm to Shakhnazarov. laughing
        3. depressant
          depressant 29 November 2018 08: 49
          +3
          If Sergey Pavlovich Korolev called the General Designer of spacecraft, I would believe ... And where is the schedule for putting the commissioning deadlines in place ?!
          1. For example
            For example 29 November 2018 09: 05
            -4
            Quote: depressant
            Spaceship Designer General

            wassat
            Is there a General Sausage Designer in your grade sheet? laughing
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 29 November 2018 08: 36
        +5
        How do we lack people of Korolev scale !!! But such is the life, such talented, efficient managers / scientists are always in short supply.
        Those who we now steer .... we’ll do, in the end, but I don’t want to make any sales losses!
        1. cniza
          cniza 29 November 2018 08: 41
          +5
          Such people are born once every 100 years, we hope to appear soon. hi
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 29 November 2018 08: 51
            +5
            Quote: cniza
            hope to be revealed soon.

            I want to believe that their system does not roll under the general level. Needed, very much!
            1. cniza
              cniza 29 November 2018 08: 55
              +2
              Such people are difficult to roll up, especially when there is a request for them.
            2. NordUral
              NordUral 29 November 2018 09: 24
              +6
              Optimist you, Victor, this system is not designed for development.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 29 November 2018 09: 37
                0
                Quote: NordUral
                the system is not designed for development.

                I also believe that erupt!
                Just cost, to our people, it will not be very cheap!
                As always, it seems!
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral 29 November 2018 09: 39
                  +4
                  I believe, but we will not break through with these.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 29 November 2018 10: 43
                    0
                    Quote: NordUral
                    we will not break through with these

                    I agree! nothing worth planning with these. Temporary, it’s time not to temporarily declare yourself and call in your ranks.
                    Question - Where are they?
                    1. NordUral
                      NordUral 29 November 2018 10: 46
                      +1
                      Question - questions, Victor! There are many worthy, but how do we combine them? And the second - how to explain to the people that they are fooling him. Some even vote, albeit for the guarantor and K, but most sit in the bushes. Well, at least once try to speak out in the elections, it may work.
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 29 November 2018 11: 01
                        0
                        Option DIFFICULT - SIMPLE!
                        The authorities are not stupid, experienced, clutching the loot so that you have to tear it off with blood .... is our society ready for this?
                        The only enemy of this power is the movement of the proletariat towards true democracy! They will feed, bribe, discredit - crush !!! And we have a "mighty handful" ready to sacrifice themselves ..... where is our DANKO?
                        And further down the list .....
                      2. NordUral
                        NordUral 29 November 2018 11: 06
                        +2
                        Here I am about that. Only until you even need to tear out your heart, just start thinking (I am about all the people). Come to the polls, vote for a decent person, Grudinin, for example, and we will win the polls.
                        And here are a few options. Voluntarily, of course, these will not give up power. But it all depends on how we love our children and grandchildren.
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 29 November 2018 11: 17
                        +1
                        DANKO had to do this !!!
                        For him, it was a step of self-sacrifice, because otherwise the people of HIS would not have taken the step of FAITH !!!
                        We are trying to begin to appeal to reason, I must, I do not argue, but without a place like DANKO, the place from the dead center cannot be moved now.
                2. UMA-UMA
                  UMA-UMA 29 November 2018 10: 18
                  -1
                  When you break through, do not forget to throw hats.
      3. Wened
        Wened 29 November 2018 09: 05
        0
        In Rogozin’s lips, it sounds like Andersen’s tales.


        Yeah .. but in the mouth of Kudrin as a prophecy?

        We need a real space program with real terms and responsibility of performers, including the military component.


        Well, without your advice, scientists and Nobel laureates just can not do?
      4. UMA-UMA
        UMA-UMA 29 November 2018 10: 17
        +2
        The USSR is not enough. From Russia, such complex projects sound unnatural. And the year of input 2025 amuses. 7 years. Horoho that is not 17.
      5. Roman070280
        Roman070280 29 November 2018 13: 06
        +1
        And Stalin ..
    2. jonht
      jonht 29 November 2018 08: 37
      +2
      So they are not given to him, but directly to organizations. Another point is that there is no cost control, from the word at all ... And they ask for a very long time ....
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 November 2018 08: 53
        +1
        Quote: jonht
        And they ask for a very long time.

        This is it, that indicator, due to which many of our troubles, I’ll add the classic one - the Thief should be in prison. Long! -
    3. RASKAT
      RASKAT 29 November 2018 08: 46
      +6
      Starting next year, they will start launching new modules for the ISS in the 19 year, the Science module, in the 20 year, the Berth and it seems like another one was in the plans. Let's see how these plans are implemented.
      Then it’s worthwhile to build a heavy rocket all the same, and launch and test it several times, and then talk about the lunar station. Although of course the plans are ambitious, it will be great if everything is realized.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 November 2018 09: 39
        +2
        Quote: RASKAT
        Let's see how these plans are implemented.

        I join the boom to see. soldier
  2. dr.star75
    dr.star75 29 November 2018 08: 21
    +8
    Yesterday I watched "12 chairs", I just got an episode about New Vasyuki! And then Ostap suffered! 100 years ago it already happened.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 November 2018 08: 30
    +9
    This indicates a weak scientific training of the head of the department. For discussion they slip any bullshit to him. And he is underway. The lunar base must be buried a few meters in depth ... A station in the orbit of the Moon is not the same as in the orbit of the Earth. Near the earth, the station is protected by a magnetic field that deflects the flow of charged particles, the moon does not.
    1. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 29 November 2018 08: 56
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      This indicates a weak scientific training of the head of the department. For discussion they slip any bullshit to him. And he is underway. The lunar base must be buried a few meters in depth ... A station in the orbit of the Moon is not the same as in the orbit of the Earth. Near the earth, the station is protected by a magnetic field that deflects the flow of charged particles, the moon does not.

      During long flights, even to Mars, you will not dig into the soil from radiation. If the plant is planned to be built in earnest (and the idea and main costs are American), it means that they have come up with something regarding radiation protection and will work it out in practice.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 29 November 2018 08: 58
        0
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        it means that they came up with something regarding radiation protection and will work out in practice.

        Asbestos and mineral wool. winked
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 29 November 2018 09: 21
        -4
        Let the Chinese fly, if it is physically possible at all. And we'll see. Russia and the Earth have something to do in their vastness.
        1. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 29 November 2018 13: 31
          +5
          Quote: NordUral
          Let the Chinese fly, if it is physically possible at all. And we'll see. Russia and the Earth have something to do in their vastness.

          Yeah, when the satellite was launched in the 57th, there were also a lot of things on the ground. Half of the country lived in barracks, neither separate apartments for you, nor warm grades. And in America, all this happened - so that they would launch both satellites and people.
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 29 November 2018 14: 37
            0
            Narak-zempo! When the satellite was launched in 57, it was a missile for warheads.
            And most importantly, the country and its leaders were different.
  4. Maverick1812
    Maverick1812 29 November 2018 08: 30
    +5
    Rogozin already narulil1 10 lard stolen in the East !!!!
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 29 November 2018 08: 59
      +4
      Quote: Maverick1812
      10 lard stolen in the East !!!!

      Since May of this year? what
  5. ALARI
    ALARI 29 November 2018 08: 32
    +6
    Interestingly, after 50 years, they will release the book Russian Space Tales?
    1. SlavaS
      SlavaS 29 November 2018 08: 59
      0
      why wait so long?
      1. ALARI
        ALARI 29 November 2018 09: 00
        +4
        To make the book thicker)))
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 29 November 2018 09: 18
      0
      With such storytellers, the big question is whether in half a century we will exist as the country of Russia.
  6. GRIGORIY76
    GRIGORIY76 29 November 2018 08: 37
    +9
    Right now, you can say anything at all about the Moon or Mars. Anyway, when the promised time comes, they will no longer answer.
  7. Olegater
    Olegater 29 November 2018 08: 44
    +1
    Dunno on the moon wassat
    We would learn first not to rub! And build quality !!!!! Dreamers !!!!
  8. aszzz888
    aszzz888 29 November 2018 08: 48
    +3
    The construction of the Russian station in the lunar orbit is supposed to begin in 2025

    ... lots of plans! somehow it goes, let's see ...
    1. cniza
      cniza 29 November 2018 08: 56
      +5
      If only not according to Chernomyrdin. hi
  9. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 29 November 2018 08: 52
    0
    the base module is scheduled to launch to the moon at the end of 2025. Later, ships and takeoff and landing modules for landing astronauts on the lunar surface will dock with it.

    Wow! How big is that, I believe every word of it!
  10. Altona
    Altona 29 November 2018 08: 53
    +1
    We've been fed concepts for so long. Moreover, the "concept" heap went like this from 2010-11. Some drawings in 3D.
  11. Wened
    Wened 29 November 2018 08: 57
    0
    Earlier, the head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin told the publication that in the coming months, together with the Russian Academy of Sciences, the concept of a lunar program of the Russian Federation will be prepared.


    After Rogozin’s statement, literally during the day, Kudrin’s cries are honestly puzzling.



    1. I wonder if this module can be installed on a scooter on which Amstrong rode on the moon?


    On the eve of the head of the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences Anatoly Petrukovich said that the near-moon station is of much less interest than the base on the surface of the Moon itself. This is due to the fact that astronauts will not be able to stay in it permanently due to high doses of radiation, moreover, there is not enough space for scientific experiments.


    2. Since on earth the value of these combat lasers is ZERO.
    a) Due to low cloudiness, it is not possible to use it.
    b) It is enough for a drone to release a small cloud of aerosol, or to light a smoke bomb, and a super modern laser will not be able to bring it down from the word at all.



    Then what is the billions invested in it? Any helicopter is also capable of lighting up army military smoke bombs and a super mattress laser complex in the tens or hundreds of millions of dollars, it turns out to be a children's toy.
    1. SlavaS
      SlavaS 29 November 2018 09: 04
      +1
      What a clear sky, what a clear sun!
      1. Wened
        Wened 29 November 2018 09: 08
        0
        What a clear sky, what a clear sun!


        laughing
    2. region58
      region58 29 November 2018 15: 47
      0
      Quote: Wened
      It is enough for a drone to release a small cloud of aerosol, or to light a smoke bomb

      Will this cloud fly next to it? Or do you need to slow down the drone, sit out in the cloud? wassat
      1. Wened
        Wened 30 November 2018 09: 17
        -4
        fool
        Will this cloud fly next to it? Or do you need to slow down the drone, sit out in the cloud?

        Your emoticon reflects your mind. laughing

        laughing The cloud will fly easily, even the right color can be done.

        I’m personally arguing, of course for the money I can protect any drone from the laser weapons of the entire US military-industrial complex laughing

        This is called Russian savvy laughing I'll take a few army smoke bombs to fasten INSULATED to the nose of any drone, and in a secret way I will set fire to laughing

        And imagine a high-tech miracle laughing A smoky trace will travel from the nose, the particles of which will absorb any energy of a laser beam of any power. So here is a half-wit (((wassat)))

        So the Russians won any war, for this many Russian companies take Russian creative workers.

        You really don’t think seriously? How to create an aerosol cloud after irradiating a drone with a radar?

        I'm scared from people like you what Just in case, I joked at the top, otherwise the mattresses will come up with weapons to burn the Russian electrical tape so that the smoke bomb falls off. laughing laughing
        1. region58
          region58 30 November 2018 11: 16
          0
          Quote: Wened
          I personally argue, naturally for the money

          request What a dispute ... what money ... calm down already ... Focus on your studies, exams are coming soon ... yes Well, then, during the summer holidays, you will again be crushed by intelligence ...
          1. Wened
            Wened 30 November 2018 11: 34
            -3
            . Focus on your studies


            Are you sick? belay
            region58 Today, 11:16


            11.34 time laughing Think patsak. laughing Think laughing
          2. Wened
            Wened 30 November 2018 11: 36
            -3
            Was it by chance that I didn’t offer you a fight?

            And then I do not pay attention to the word at all.
            1. Peter Ivanov
              Peter Ivanov 30 November 2018 20: 50
              0
              What is the semantic load of this mysterious Russian sentence: "And then I do not pay attention to the word at all."???
              1. Wened
                Wened 1 December 2018 07: 43
                -2
                What is the semantic load of this mysterious Russian sentence: "Otherwise I don't pay attention to the word at all." ???


                Sorry, who are you?
                region58 Yesterday, 11:16
                Did we talk to you?

                I recall it was about the impossibility of using laser weapons on earth, but only in space.

                After Rogozin’s statement, literally during the day, Kudrin’s cries are honestly puzzling.


                Among other things, Rogozin, by virtue of his position, does a lot of things, and after his statement, such a reaction of some kind of Kudrin, and Ivan Moiseev.

                For example, what is closer to me, from astronauts)) I love science fiction))) you know.

                This is open information, anyone can discuss these topics.





                What is the semantic load from this mysterious Russian sentence:


                The semantic load go to ......... and that’s all, well, I’d talk on the topic, I started to troll laughing
                1. Peter Ivanov
                  Peter Ivanov 3 December 2018 15: 05
                  0
                  Exactly! Instead of a logical, consistent presentation of thoughts, Russiyantseff has one thing ... "go to ......... that's all ".
                  You, my dear, if you are setting out in an open source, where there is a non-personalized discussion, be prepared to be understood by everyone!
                  1. Wened
                    Wened 3 December 2018 18: 47
                    -1
                    laughing laughing
                    Exactly! Instead of a logical, consistent presentation of thoughts, Russiyantseff has one thing ... "go to ......... and that's it."


                    1. Well, a very logical word (((( russiyantseff )))) belay

                    You, dear, if you expose in open source


                    2. ((((open source)))) laughing laughing laughing it’s more logical to write ...... sourceЕ

                    3. (((( cutest )))) and you are sure that with people like YOU I will behave cute?

                    Get ready to be understood by everyone!


                    belay wassat belay

                    4, It's like you didn’t understand me. Or something I did not understand, where is the logic? laughing


                    Well, like, I'm always ready to be understood, especially understood by everyone ...... laughing

                    And to say what I wanted? Peter?
                    1. Peter Ivanov
                      Peter Ivanov 5 December 2018 15: 32
                      +1
                      Your stupidity goes off scale. I will try not to waste time on you anymore. It happens! I grieve.
                      I will follow the genius of A.S. Pushkin "And do not challenge a fool!" - I WILL NOT!
  12. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 29 November 2018 08: 57
    +4
    At the same time, the Russian designers in the framework of the memorandum signed by NASA and Roskosmos are developing a gateway module for the near-moon Gateway station, the construction of which is proposed by the United States.

    Yah? After all, Rogozin beat himself in white breasts, that Russia does not want to participate in this program, that we will create our own system with blackjack and hookers? Salvage won?
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 29 November 2018 17: 20
      0
      Confused Rogozin in the testimony. It seems that it's time for investigators to seriously take up ROSKOSMOS.
      1. Peter Ivanov
        Peter Ivanov 30 November 2018 20: 51
        -1
        Have mercy! Investigators in shares !!!
    2. Peter Ivanov
      Peter Ivanov 30 November 2018 20: 38
      -1
      "... - We are leaving!
      - And money?
      - Then let's stay! " K / F "Elections".
      You correctly do not forget that one this person speaks on the screen, but does another, secret, behind the back of the people! Naturally with the approval of Putin!
  13. SlavaS
    SlavaS 29 November 2018 08: 58
    +7
    What station !!! we had snow in Chelyabinsk, the third day the city is in the rubble. One governor with the mayor is only happy with how they cleaned the streets. Loot learned to learn only on paper. And here is the moon !!! Storytellers.
    1. region58
      region58 29 November 2018 15: 52
      +1
      Quote: SlavaS
      And here is the moon !!!

      It’s worth considering ... On the Moon, to clear the snow ... These are the prospects for developing the budget ... Space bulldozer ... oh well ... wink
      1. Peter Ivanov
        Peter Ivanov 30 November 2018 20: 46
        0
        I plus you, because, to me, the Soviet understand the logic of your thought. BUT!!!
        We will not clean the snow either on Earth or on the Earth's moon - the Month! Moreover, humanity has not yet developed such a technology as cleaning each snowflake from dry and wet dust! Here, the comrade who is above - "SlavaS" ... correctly wrote: "clearing the streets of snow." Poor, poor Russian language !!!!!
  14. Larum
    Larum 29 November 2018 09: 12
    +3
    Hooray! First it was at 12-14 (from memory), then at 18-19, then at 25-30, now 30-35 and "maybe".
    And then the President will chide for non-execution and waste?

    Urgently hide the drill! And hint to Kudrin - let him check every 3 months, the people will please ...
  15. NordUral
    NordUral 29 November 2018 09: 14
    +1
    It’s time to pack this entire company of Roscosmos menagers into Ward No. 6, until they have all profiled or stolen.
    1. Peter Ivanov
      Peter Ivanov 30 November 2018 20: 54
      0
      Alas! Only Soviet Power is capable of doing this.
  16. Million
    Million 29 November 2018 09: 19
    0
    Let Rogozin himself, the general’s son, become the first lunar astronaut
  17. Diviz
    Diviz 29 November 2018 09: 38
    0
    AND SEND. There to live the Central Bank.
    1. Peter Ivanov
      Peter Ivanov 30 November 2018 21: 02
      0
      Alas! The Central Bank was only in the USSR. In the Russian Federation there is only a bank "Russia". Unfortunately, it is the bank of "Russia", there are also international banks and banks of the USA, Britain, EU, China, Japan ... I grieve immensely!
  18. shinobi
    shinobi 29 November 2018 09: 43
    0
    A base on the moon without economic components, money down the drain. In this case, solar. But if with an eye on the extraction of helium three, then yes. Everything falls into place. The lunar orbital as an intermediate warehouse, and the new purely Russian station in medium orbit in in the near future. And the earth-moon nuclear tractor, ours. And all this in time for 40m-50m years. To the first industrial thermonuclear power plants.
  19. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 29 November 2018 09: 54
    -1
    All this is good. But besides scientific interest, there should also be an economic component. Who can explain why a near-moon station is needed? It would be better to develop a system for purifying and desalinating water on Earth, for example.
    1. nPuBaTuP
      nPuBaTuP 29 November 2018 15: 43
      0
      But besides scientific interest, there should also be an economic component. Who can explain why a near-moon station is needed?

      It is not necessary to store all the eggs in one basket .....
    2. Peter Ivanov
      Peter Ivanov 30 November 2018 21: 05
      0
      And the roads throughout the country were finally built. And gas was carried out everywhere! And they restored the Soviet Power! And they restored the New RSFSR to start!
  20. Snail N9
    Snail N9 29 November 2018 10: 02
    +1
    In the Russian Federation, the start dates for the creation of a station in circumlunar orbit are named.

    I believe, why not believe, I believe .... And then, messages will appear, such as: "The Russian Federation has once again postponed the time for creating a station in a circumlunar orbit." And they will end with the message: "The Russian Federation refused to create a station in a circumlunar orbit for the reason ........... (here we recall the parable of the donkey and the padishah)." wink
    1. Peter Ivanov
      Peter Ivanov 30 November 2018 21: 08
      -1
      I remember ... the launch and descent into the garbage chute of the planet Earth, a cunning venture codenamed: "Phobos - soil". So, he went into the ground of the Earth and left ... taking secrets with him ... was the project itself working!
  21. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 29 November 2018 10: 04
    +1
    You feed the country, give pensions to pensioners, build factories and factories, complete the army to the end with the latest weapons and a fleet. Deal with the "Vostochny", which is falling apart, arrange missile flights without permanent emergency ... well, then you can already specifically talk about the circumambular station
    1. Peter Ivanov
      Peter Ivanov 30 November 2018 21: 09
      0
      They can’t do it! That would overpower the Soviet people!
  22. Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 29 November 2018 10: 27
    -2
    Well, the Moon was limited ... But what about Mars ...? But what about the apple trees on Mars ..? And then I was counting among the birches on Mars to catch the okushka in the river ... laughing
    1. Peter Ivanov
      Peter Ivanov 30 November 2018 21: 15
      -1
      At the moment, it turns out that everyone can start catching your okushki ... Yankees, Japanese, EU members (not to be confused with the SS members, though why?), But not the Russians! Here, Soviet, it would be on hand!
  23. Nikolay87
    Nikolay87 29 November 2018 10: 43
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    Increasingly, I hear how it will be fine in 2025, in 2036, but in the news there are only defects in the joints of the launch vehicle, incorrect orbits, voids under the launch pad, etc. Elon Musk, are you now working for Roskosmos?
    1. Peter Ivanov
      Peter Ivanov 30 November 2018 21: 16
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      Yes, they are all there, from one sandbox!
  24. Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 29 November 2018 10: 46
    +1
    So which station is it all about? If it’s about LOP-G, then Rogozin stated no further than in September that Russia would not participate in the project, because it would appear in it on the sidelines. If this is your own project, then just mega-saws.
  25. Old26
    Old26 29 November 2018 11: 00
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    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    This indicates a weak scientific training of the head of the department. For discussion they slip any bullshit to him. And he is underway. The lunar base must be buried a few meters in depth ... A station in the orbit of the Moon is not the same as in the orbit of the Earth. Near the earth, the station is protected by a magnetic field that deflects the flow of charged particles, the moon does not.

    Well, one does not have to worry about the scientific preparation of the Civil Code. He probably knows such a term as radiation protection. A station in lunar orbit is a necessary stage before building a station on the surface. This is a kind of insurance, when, for example, it will be necessary to urgently evacuate people from the surface. And it's one thing to evacuate to Earth, which is quite expensive in terms of capabilities or to a base that is in orbit. Faster at least
    1. aristok
      aristok 29 November 2018 14: 52
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      Quote: Old26
      A moonlight orbit is a necessary stage before the construction of a station on the surface.

      Only a base on the surface of the moon is needed.
      A station in the orbit of the moon is not needed - a completely meaningless intermediate link.
      Quote: Old26
      This is a kind of insurance, when, for example, it will be necessary to urgently evacuate people from the surface. And it's one thing to evacuate to Earth, which is quite expensive in terms of capabilities or to a base that is in orbit. Faster at least

      What is so good about the LOS orbital station that it makes sense to evacuate there?
      Weightlessness? Radiation? lack of protection against micrometeorites?
      ... what are the conditions there better than a base on the surface of the moon?
      It makes sense to evacuate either immediately to Earth - and this can be done faster and more reliably by a direct start from the Moon, or to the neighboring module of the Lunar base.

      LOS (DSG) is the fruit of bureaucrats from NASA to attach the stupid expensive SLS and Orion.
      1. Peter Ivanov
        Peter Ivanov 30 November 2018 21: 28
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        I'm not a professional in this topic, but based on the logic and experience of the exploration of cosmic bodies, I think that the station is necessary as a platform for bouncing for the month. The plan is as follows: From the Earth by the "Earth-Station Month" spacecraft to the Station, then from the Station: by the Lunar landing and lifting capsule (cargo / cargo-passenger-passenger) located at the Station to the Earth of the Month moon and back in the same sequence. Remember how the Yankees and Our Soviet Lunar Landing Program, and the return from the Month.
  26. Sleeping
    Sleeping 29 November 2018 11: 05
    +1
    With such loud statements, the question always arises - "why and for whom is this being said?"
  27. Henderson
    Henderson 29 November 2018 11: 12
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    that the base module is planned to be launched to the moon at the end of 2025

    But the Russian Federation has neither the lunar module, nor the superthrust for its launch.
    Good plan. Launch a non-existent module on a non-existent rocket by the year 2025. Rogozin style.
  28. iouris
    iouris 29 November 2018 13: 48
    +1
    And if the "gas streams" do not work? So far, everything that they do not do is unprofitable for the present-day generations, therefore everything that is further than two years on the right along the time axis is propaganda. Personally, Rogozin has not yet shown the built East.
  29. Old26
    Old26 29 November 2018 15: 24
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    Quote: aristok
    A station in the orbit of the moon is not needed - a completely meaningless intermediate link.

    With our state of the art, the (earthly) base is by no means a meaningless intermediate link, but a necessity. We (earthlings) do not have the ability, primarily technical, to build a base on the surface, more precisely under the surface of the moon at once. Maybe someday, but not at the first stage. This means that the base will be modular. It may be possible to cover part of it with some kind of "roof", but hardly all at once. This means that the modules for the most part will not be protected from the same meteorite hazard. It is technically difficult to land a ship with large reserves of fuel on the surface so that you can launch directly to Earth. It's easier to have a takeoff module. In addition, in the event of an emergency, for example, the same meteorite bombardment of the surface, there is no guarantee that either any of the modules, or the module with oxygen reserves, or the ship will not be damaged. It takes a long time to prepare and send a new expedition to the moon to evacuate people. But to send a lander from the orbital station if the ship is damaged is simple and most importantly fast.

    Quote: aristok
    What is so good about the LOS orbital station that it makes sense to evacuate there?
    Weightlessness? Radiation? lack of protection against micrometeorites?
    ... what are the conditions there better than a base on the surface of the moon?

    VOC is the very rescue emergency boat, without which at the first stage it is impossible to provide a 100% guarantee of survival on the surface.
    Zero gravity - let it be. What's so bad about that? At near-Earth orbital stations, it is present and is not something out of the ordinary ...
    Radiation and micrometeorites? The problem is solved, in the second case, the installation of an anti-meteor screen in general. Radiation problems will also be solved by the presence of a screen. VOCs are no better than a surface base, but in the early stages they are simply a necessary link to ensure safety

    Quote: aristok
    It makes sense to evacuate either immediately to Earth - and this can be done faster and more reliably by a direct start from the Moon, or to the neighboring module of the Lunar base.

    You will need to land a ship with large reserves of fuel for a direct launch from the Moon to Earth. And this means a lot of weight, great engine thrust, high fuel consumption. Such ships are not yet and are not expected in the foreseeable future. The nearby lunar base module may be damaged. Moreover, one cannot say in advance how critical damage to objects on the surface will be. And wait for the rescue ship from Earth - these are the days. And we can talk about the clock ...

    Quote: aristok
    LOS (DSG) is the fruit of bureaucrats from NASA to attach the stupid expensive SLS and Orion.

    But with this just everything is clear. Since American, it means stupid and the fruit of bureaucracy. It would be ours - it would be considered a breakthrough into the unknown and advanced in the development of space
    1. Ugolek
      Ugolek 29 November 2018 16: 31
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      Shinobi (Yuri) Today, 09:43 New

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      Base on the moon without economic component, money down the drain. In this case, sunny


      Do you propose on the move the finished product from the Moon to Earth by tankers? You don’t even need to set up a base, just a factory with workers, and the nuances themselves will come out and will be corrected between cases. Is there a problem? In the north, in the permafrost, too, they just put up tents and let's pump oil and drill gas ..
      A base is needed there and it will be unprofitable for a lot of years, since it will be necessary to conduct a sea of ​​experiments and prepare a project for a small factory to start, how many years it will take one god knows. Moreover, the dates in 2025 are fictitious, since there is no heavy launch vehicle, and even heavy. If the Malomalsky factory will be no earlier than 2050 and then experimental.
  30. CHSR1961
    CHSR1961 29 November 2018 19: 16
    +1
    In the spring of this year, I wanted to buy the simplest WASHBALL in the country, I found only Chinese. In my opinion, we all continue to mentally live in Soviet reality, and it has nothing to do with the current situation. Which stations in a circling orbit, wake up dear.
    1. Peter Ivanov
      Peter Ivanov 30 November 2018 21: 34
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      You're right! Back to reality, in ReF! In this miserable disobedience of the mighty RSFSR. Here with t.z. there is nothing to compare economists ... ReFe, here, simply, an elephant miscarriage or a mistake of nature!
  31. Peter Ivanov
    Peter Ivanov 30 November 2018 20: 33
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    Listen to Rogozin! Who are you soaring the brain! ALL! Manned, and other astronautics in ReF - WAS DIED! With that, she died in severe convulsions ... and without regaining consciousness from Yeltsin-Putin economic experiments to eliminate industry and the Armed Forces of the USSR / RSFSR! Kudring will not allow flying through outer space, simply because it’s not necessary for the Russian capitalists!