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Telephone terrorists "mine" Moscow: shopping centers are evacuated

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A squall of calls from the so-called telephone terrorists hit the Russian capital. Callers claim alleged bomb strikes in shopping centers and train stations in Moscow. By 13: 00 (Moscow time) 12 shopping center and one station were evacuated after calls from unknown persons. Among the evacuated shopping centers are “Viva”, “Tsvetnoy”, “Atrium”, etc. The patrolling of objects in the center of the capital was strengthened.


Telephone terrorists "mine" Moscow: shopping centers are evacuated


The police in the city of Moscow reported that this number may be inconclusive. Telephone terrorists continue to make phone calls to the attendants. The places that are indicated in the calls, go to the staff of various departments, including medical services; Dog handlers work with dogs, bomb experts. At the moment, none of the reports of the presence of an explosive device at a mass gathering site has been confirmed.

It can be assumed that the new wave of telephone terrorism is associated with the introduction of martial law in Ukraine as a result of events in the Black Sea. This assumption is due to the fact that a few months ago, the bulk of calls about the “mining” of objects in Russian cities came from the numbers of Ukrainian operators, as well as from Western countries. The purpose of the callers, whose actions are clearly coordinated, is the same: to try to destabilize Russia, to cause panic among the population.

Recall that a few months ago, telephone terrorists "mined" various objects (railway stations, cinemas, airports, shopping malls, hospitals, educational institutions) in dozens of Russian cities - from Voronezh to Vladivostok.
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  1. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 28 November 2018 13: 34
    0
    Calls coming from Langley or Downing Street?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 28 November 2018 13: 37
      +6
      Quote: Tank jacket
      Calls coming from Langley or Downing Street?

      I think from ukrovermahta ..
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 28 November 2018 13: 39
        +3
        Yes, exactly, but in any way agreed.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 28 November 2018 13: 45
          +2
          new year ... begins ...
          1. DEDPIHTO
            DEDPIHTO 28 November 2018 14: 10
            0
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            new year ... begins ...

            Do anarchist terrorists? what For 404, it’s a bit small, they practice piracy more with unarmed courts, and the striped owners complain about the “achressor” request
      2. Conservative
        Conservative 28 November 2018 14: 01
        -6
        I think from ukrovermahta ..

        Throw in such words about the potheads. these are your brothers-in-arms in the fight against the Kremlin and the government as such - after all. You are in the same trench. You just write posts and call, and these clowns call the phones and talk about the bombs. Although there are enough writers mowing under "local" too. But different departments. Various methods. Who to write to, who to call.

        And you have one goal - the fight against cutting and forcing. Ideally, a change of leadership.

        These are you warriors with the Kremlin. Whoever can, and overthrows. The company you have of course is motley. But the goal unites you.


        1. Vlad 63
          Vlad 63 28 November 2018 14: 36
          +2
          It would be interesting to read about your goals. You, I believe, from those defenders of the occupation administration that you call power. To some extent, you can understand. There are even many examples in history. In the occupied nat. The territories of Germany were also the defenders of the occupiers and sympathizers with them. They served zealously, with enthusiasm. Until very close did we get acquainted with the Lynch node.
          1. Conservative
            Conservative 28 November 2018 15: 09
            -4
            You, I believe, from those defenders of the occupation administration that you call power.


            and you, as I understand it, in 1996 began to accumulate strength in order to start the fight against acupunders in 2007 (or since what year is the actor, are you fighting occupation and how?)? And then you endured and heroically endured? Or then everything suited?

            Or 1996 = 2018 according to the overwhelming conditions of the existence of the masses?

            Until very close did we get acquainted with the Lynch node.


            an actor with a character from Hollywood on an avatar, will you provide me with a knot? I can write your address in private messages.

            Well, since the actor you began to write about Germany and sympathize with them. I'll show you something now. Just for those leading the struggle with the authorities and the Kremlin.



            here in the leaflets they were just talking about the power that occupied the Kremlin and offered to help in its overthrow.

            You print if something, you suddenly decide

            They served zealously, with enthusiasm.


            because you are so zealously fighting the dominance of invaders in the Kremlin
            1. Vlad 63
              Vlad 63 28 November 2018 15: 49
              +2
              I set goals for all, but I never wrote about my goals. Are you ashamed? ))) 1996 .... 2007 ... actor ... what a mess in your head? Yes, I tolerate this "power" like most of my fellow citizens. How the USSR collapsed and to this day I endure. Well, not everyone can sing odes to the existing government with the tsar's father at the head. Because not all people have become blind and see what is happening in our kingdom - the state. Not all people have become dull to the point that they would not see where this power is leading us. And yes, oddly enough, not everyone sold their conscience for half a liter of accessible chatter and a piece of affordable stuff like "sausage". And why do you not like this character of the Hollywood movie making? )) Americanophobe, broadcasting here by means of communication of American origin. Yes, go also on Windows.)))))
              I can write your address in private messages.
              pfuf !!! It is powerful. Are you not a relative of Zolotov? )))
              1. Conservative
                Conservative 28 November 2018 15: 53
                -3
                ) 1996 .... 2007 ... actor ... what kind of mess in my head?


                Well, in 1996, the Communists gave up power. They won, but lost. They decided not to fight, apparently.
                And in 2007 there was a famous speech, after which the daughters of officers filled the Internet.
                This is not porridge. This is your head you need to include and think about why I wrote about these dates.

                Yes, I tolerate this "power" like most of my fellow citizens


                well done. So approved the occupation about which he painted me? Yes actor?

                And why do not you like this character of a Hollywood movie? )) Amerikanofob broadcasting here by means of communication of American origin. Yes, go also on Windows.)))))

                go to school draw emoticons calling for overthrowing Putin on the school board

                Do you have a graduation from acting classes there? completed VO at the end of training?

            2. Vlad 63
              Vlad 63 28 November 2018 16: 17
              +1
              Well, since you laid out Vlasov’s agitation here ... Maybe you don’t know, but the power for which you are broadcasting here, this year banned the immortal regiment’s banner of victory and portraits of Stalin on shares. I am sure that these crafts relate to me? This power plaque is hung by the allies of one Austrian artist, in the presence of his highest representatives. Mutually exclusive paragraphs do not arise in the head? Well, try to justify it.
              Well, in 1996, the Communists gave up power. They won, but lost. They decided not to fight, apparently. And in 2007 there was a famous speech, after which the daughters of officers filled the Internet.
              Such a primitive ... I will tell you a little secret. And Yeltsin, and Zyuganov, and ... oh, my God! Putin were all communists. Zyuganov is no more a communist than Putin, and Putin is no less than Yeltsin. Do you catch a thought?
              1. Conservative
                Conservative 28 November 2018 16: 33
                0
                You may not be aware, but the power for which you are broadcasting here has banned the banner of victory and the portraits of Stalin this year on shares of the immortal regiment.


                law number? Can I find this law? Or are you talking about a video in which someone decided to portray a lively activity? Again the story of an official, one in a million? Which shoveled under the cameras?

                There are a thousand of them per million can be collected. This is an occasion for what? For a coup?

                And Yeltsin, and Zyuganov, and ... oh, my God! Putin were all communists. Zyuganov is no more a communist than Putin, and Putin is no less than Yeltsin. Do you catch a thought?


                develop this thought and connect it with the occupation that you told me about
                1. Red_Baron
                  Red_Baron 28 November 2018 16: 52
                  -1
                  It is useless to argue with such individuals, although I myself sin by this. They have sawdust in their heads. Never have your own thoughts. They take some clichés, they especially like to read the liberal press, where with clever manipulations of the word they make it clear something different from the truth, but for words that do not know the meanings it is quite plausible.
                  And such casserole-headed ones begin to tell tales, they themselves believe in them, but since they do not have their own opinions, they find themselves gurus on the Internet, whose thoughts are broadcast intensively. The main criterion is how much you scold power.
                  I would not want to call such people biological waste, but nothing else comes to mind. Because the psyche is broken, they will not be able to perceive reality in a different way. And if their age is also not small, then age-related mental limitations are mixed in with everything.
                2. Vlad 63
                  Vlad 63 28 November 2018 17: 22
                  +1
                  Law number? The very same government violated the law "On the Banner of Victory." In this country, the government does not comply with laws that it itself adopts. Well, yes, you’ll think about a trifle, one banner forbidden, another pension must be abolished, the third macaroni, the fourth premature babies do not need to be saved, you see, it’s expensive for the state, and there are those who cropped under cameras (and how many are not under cameras?) Most including Nedimon and your sunshine completely innocent. All this swamp is your power. And about the dashboard, one remarkable person and ship, that is, a defensive line, has nothing to say? And yes, in each case, this is not a reason to tear the country to dust. But this is the system (your favorite power vertical or in the mouth). And what happened to each of these officials? Has someone suffered a DESERVED punishment? (Dismissal with subsequent extension to an equally warm place should not be offered). The reason is impunity. They can spit on the people as much as they want, and absolutely with impunity. In civilized ways, the people cannot defend their rights. (again adopted system). Believe me, as soon as the steering wheel does not have all the replayer, the truth about his affairs and so on will begin to come out. It doesn’t matter who his successor will be, even if his protege. (tradition to blame everything on the predecessor). Those who support him this hour will be very ashamed later. (Unless, of course, conscience is sold)
                  1. Conservative
                    Conservative 28 November 2018 17: 24
                    -1
                    Law number?


                    Yes. you wrote

                    Maybe you don’t know, but the power for which you are broadcasting here has banned this year
    2. SOF
      SOF 28 November 2018 13: 50
      +4
      Quote: Tank jacket
      Calls coming from Langley or Downing Street?

      ..... from the city of kueva ....... this is such revenge for the Battle of Kerch wassat wassat wassat
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 28 November 2018 14: 09
        +3
        Consider the autumn ended, only a vacation in a fool's house is in full swing.
        It was to be expected that the sofa plankton fulfills for its sofas ... but can we just have nothing to wash with, does it itch?
    3. Baloo
      Baloo 28 November 2018 14: 44
      -1
      Quote: Tank jacket
      Calls coming from Langley or Downing Street?

      banderbabuins are jumping
  2. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 28 November 2018 13: 35
    +4
    "revenge for" tsushima "))"
    I'm not surprised that the FSB will find a "taste of bacon and vodka"
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 28 November 2018 18: 05
      0
      Quote: Siberian barber
      "revenge for" tsushima "))"
      I'm not surprised that the FSB will find a "taste of bacon and vodka"

      On the local Internet site: calls for mining 15 shopping centers in Moscow came from Ukraine. However, as last time. This week, how many fires of large shopping centers, compared with the same period a month ago?
      1. The Siberian barber
        The Siberian barber 28 November 2018 19: 34
        -2
        Fires, in the shopping center, against the background of boats, nothing! (((I'm afraid that the whole country will become "katerniki" for the next month! there are no problems in the country ((((
  3. BAI
    BAI 28 November 2018 13: 35
    0
    Most of the calls about “mining” of objects in Russian cities came precisely from the numbers of Ukrainian operators, as well as from Western countries.

    And what prevents them from being immediately ignored?
    1. matross
      matross 28 November 2018 13: 44
      -8
      Ignore only the fear of all any responsibility. There is no one to decide. Although it is obvious. All cases of mining phone calls are false.
      1. Comrade Beria
        Comrade Beria 28 November 2018 13: 58
        +11
        No, it's better to overtake than not to overtake. Under this noise it is possible to really mine. And the specialists have another training, so that the service would not seem to be honey.
        1. matross
          matross 28 November 2018 14: 02
          -3
          "noise" and arises solely from the overbearing. The special services have a little honey in their service. Pseudo-mines will stop when reactions to them stop.
          1. Comrade Beria
            Comrade Beria 28 November 2018 14: 21
            +3
            Quote: matRoss
            Pseudo-mines will stop when reactions to them stop.

            But this is what the true terrorist needs. Or are they all extinct? So it is appropriate to recall the recent self-explosion in Grozny.
            1. matross
              matross 28 November 2018 14: 32
              -2
              A true terrorist does not inform about his plans by telephone. If we began to operate with examples, recall at least one fact proving the opposite. Telephone terrorism and the real are two different phenomena.
              1. SOF
                SOF 28 November 2018 14: 41
                +3
                Quote: matRoss
                Telephone terrorism and the real are two different phenomena

                ..... well, of course .... and when for the next call, which is not paid attention to, an explosion occurs ..... then say "OOPSss" - right? .....
                1. matross
                  matross 28 November 2018 14: 54
                  -2
                  I understand your logic. This is precisely the main reason for the existence of telephone false terrorism. That is, a purely formalized approach - we were informed, we reacted. And everyone understands that they are playing a standard scenario. A telephone terrorist achieves his goal in 100 cases from 100, the economy incurs losses, special services are distracted from work, decision-makers are covered in fifth points, ordinary people have an information line for fabrication. A curtain.
          2. alexmach
            alexmach 28 November 2018 14: 59
            +2
            "noise" and arises solely from the overbearing. The special services already have a little honey in their service

            after all, they are specialists and specialists, which they should know better how to respond to threats.
          3. engineer74
            engineer74 28 November 2018 15: 14
            +4
            Quote: matRoss
            "noise" and arises solely from the overbearing. The special services have a little honey in their service. Pseudo-mines will stop when reactions to them stop.

            After that there will be a real undermining and swinging of the situation under the slogan "The terrorists warned them, but they did not react !!!" No, it’s better to let the special services run around, first at the shops, train stations, then after the caller. hi
        2. alexmach
          alexmach 28 November 2018 14: 59
          +1
          This is not training. For specialists, this is a real combat work, even if on a false call.
        3. Henderson
          Henderson 28 November 2018 15: 04
          -4
          In general, the inability to find callers is an indicator of the quality of the intelligence services. With simple calls, it turns out that you can block the work of a bunch of institutions and bring more losses than from any kind of explosion.
          12 calls and no one was found.
          1. matross
            matross 28 November 2018 15: 25
            -1
            Calls from other countries, whom to look for? Search and find
            1. Henderson
              Henderson 28 November 2018 15: 30
              -4
              To look for people. I remember that these calls were far from being the first to start today, and they called generally throughout the country.
              Has anyone been prosecuted or put on the international wanted list? If not, then this is a failure of the special services and the notorious "Russian hackers".
              1. matross
                matross 28 November 2018 15: 42
                +2
                An international wanted list for the 13-year-old son of Zhmerinka could be counted for you as a good result of the work of the Russian special services?
                1. Henderson
                  Henderson 28 November 2018 16: 01
                  -3
                  Yes, it could, plus the blocking of his numbers and addresses, plus lawsuits for damages. Where is all this?
                  Although if a 13-year-old shkolota can crank this out on the territory of the Russian Federation, this is just a sign of the total degradation of the Russian special services. 12 times to call from the same number, and in the Russian Federation no one could do anything about it. This is an epic.
                  1. Consultant
                    Consultant 28 November 2018 16: 08
                    +1
                    Quote: Henderson
                    12 times to call from the same number

                    Such information was nowhere to be found. Did you come up with this, or did you "accidentally know"? wink
                    1. Henderson
                      Henderson 28 November 2018 16: 09
                      -3
                      And if it’s not from one issue, isn’t it too complicated for shkolota?
                  2. matross
                    matross 28 November 2018 16: 08
                    +1
                    He is not there. Thank you, your position is clear.
                  3. Comrade Beria
                    Comrade Beria 28 November 2018 16: 25
                    +3
                    Quote: Henderson
                    This is an epic.

                    Do you know such concepts as IP-telephony, proxy server, anonymizer?
                    It’s a pity that the flags were removed, otherwise I would have shown in detail how, on the spot, to be, for example, in Switzerland.
                    1. Henderson
                      Henderson 28 November 2018 16: 36
                      -4
                      Yes I know. And the secret services do not know? Or do they have the level of training and equipment at the level of "how to stay, for example, in Switzerland."?
                      1. Comrade Beria
                        Comrade Beria 28 November 2018 16: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: Henderson

                        Yes I know.

                        By hearsay)))
                      2. Henderson
                        Henderson 28 November 2018 16: 55
                        -3
                        In full. I don’t even know how to block users sitting at the proxy or from i2p. wink
                      3. Red_Baron
                        Red_Baron 28 November 2018 16: 54
                        +5
                        Do intelligence agencies need to block all foreign proxy servers? Or maybe it's better to disconnect the country from the Internet?
                        Today you come up with the intelligence services one task delusions of another, and tomorrow shout that we have a lot of intelligence services. So the thought arises, are you not pregnant? just a very similar work of logic.
                      4. Henderson
                        Henderson 28 November 2018 16: 59
                        -4
                        Quote: Red_Baron

                        Do intelligence agencies need to block all foreign proxy servers?

                        special services need to track where the calls are coming from and switch them to themselves, instead of any police department or where the attackers are calling. The special services for this have all sorts of SORM, voice recognition systems and a bunch of employees. This is for a start.
                        The second step, they are obliged to find out who, where, with whose help, on whose orders all this does. Already in a year it was all possible to find out.
                        Where is the result? And if he is not, then why do you need to maintain such bloated states?
                        And leave rudeness for someone else.
                      5. SOF
                        SOF 28 November 2018 19: 42
                        +3
                        Quote: Henderson
                        special services need

                        .... stop talking nonsense .... the special services need to do what they are doing, and you need to understand that operating with two or three publicly available concepts related to the ponty slang of the "advanced" Internet gopots does not make you a specialist at all ..........
                      6. Red_Baron
                        Red_Baron 28 November 2018 19: 58
                        0
                        Perhaps he knows more than he seems. I watched one movie, where people through the wire in my head connected to the Internet and generally found themselves in the computer world. Here are just special services and they were disturbed there.
                      7. Baloo
                        Baloo 28 November 2018 20: 41
                        -2
                        Quote: Red_Baron
                        I watched one movie, where people through the wire in my head connected to the Internet and generally found themselves in the computer world. Here are just special services and they were disturbed there.

                        Don't look silly movies for the naive. Be realistic.
                      8. Red_Baron
                        Red_Baron 28 November 2018 21: 24
                        +1
                        Why did you decide that this film is stupid and that it is naive? Are you a film critic, a censor, or some kind of dogma-setting person? I am sure that the truth is shown there, Keanu Reeves could not act in a stupid film.
                      9. Baloo
                        Baloo 28 November 2018 21: 42
                        -1
                        Quote: Red_Baron
                        Why did you decide that this film is stupid and that it is for the naive

                        What is the difference between a documentary and a film? Relation to the truth of life. Perhaps I am better than you versed in anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, biophysics and much more. The human biofield is created by the movement of red blood cells through the vessels. In each red blood cell, Fe2, i.e. a dipole, is attached to the hemoglobin molecule.
                        However, the potential difference in the human biofield is so small ... that the connection of the wire to the head wassat wassat wassat .... only very naive simpletons can believe in this.
                      10. Henderson
                        Henderson 28 November 2018 20: 19
                        -5
                        Quote: SOF
                        intelligence agencies need to do what they do

                        Intelligence agencies need to stop the commission of crimes. What they do instead is a question. Maybe the likes are being tracked, maybe they’re still doing some nonsense.
                        A year ago, such crimes were committed with exactly the same scope. Now repeated again.
                        If the criminals did not answer, then the appropriate heads of law enforcement agencies should answer.
                        Has anyone been punished?
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 28 November 2018 14: 57
      +1
      What if it suddenly turns out that they ignored the real threat it will cost hundreds of civilian lives.
      And also the fact that as soon as they begin to ignore them, then immediately the real explosive device will be planted.
  4. PDM80
    PDM80 28 November 2018 13: 37
    +9
    Oh Ukrainians began to pack! martial law, they are fighting the enemy. sad
  5. senima56
    senima56 28 November 2018 13: 37
    -25
    We have the "best electronic warfare system that has no analogs"!?!?! When are we going to put an end to these "telephone terrorists" ?!
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 28 November 2018 13: 41
      +13
      Quote: senima56
      We have the "best electronic warfare system that has no analogs"!?!?! When are we going to put an end to these "telephone terrorists" ?!

      Nikolai, sorry, but you are comparing the soft with the green. And here the EW systems and phone calls ... So far, no system in the world has learned to read the caller’s mind and determine the purpose of his call.
      1. Henderson
        Henderson 28 November 2018 15: 06
        -3
        So far, no system in the world has yet learned to find the source of a call and block it?
        1. Consultant
          Consultant 28 November 2018 15: 53
          +2
          Quote: Henderson
          So far, no system in the world has yet learned to find the source of a call and block it?

          Before asking a question, it is worth thinking: by what criteria will you select calls that need to be checked, and why, in general, this call block?
          1. Henderson
            Henderson 28 November 2018 16: 00
            -3
            For example, by the criteria of an outgoing number or ip-address plus similarity of votes. All this can be done by automation.
            Quote: Consultant
            and why, in general, block this call?

            so that because of the fake organization would not suffer multimillion-dollar losses, and the citizens of the country would live in peace, no?
            1. Red_Baron
              Red_Baron 28 November 2018 17: 05
              +3
              Sorry, but you once again write nonsense. I am not pleased to say, but you have slightly different realities on Mars. You don’t understand what you’re writing about, but torn apart by your inner ... you continue fiercely scribbling dipping a feather into a known substance. I envy you a little, every day as if for the first time - a lot of secrets are revealed.
              And today I will open a few, too. You can block IP, but you yourself are against laws regulating the actions of providers at the state level, and you personally spoke and screeched with foam at the mouth about such laws.
              So - so easily stepped over the principles? Not surprised. With your development then.
              So IP can be blocked, only through it some organization can work and even more than one, people can use it for different needs, and there can be thousands of such people, and you all disable access to them. But why in this case, and you can’t answer for your words - cut down the Internet for a week and show solidarity.
              Now then again, the discovery of secrets. This IP can just be the end node. And it can be changed to millions of others. The chain from the initial entrance can be not just long, but also through anonymous proxies, on which they will not give you any data, only by a court decision, and it’s possible they will not give a damn about it in a particular country.
              In the same way, operator nodes can be endpoints - did you use telephony through an operator abroad? something like a VPN but a little different. And then chop off the whole organization, which has nothing to do with it? Well, I say in solidarity with this, just give up work and earnings for a month.
              Etc. If someone wants to do it, he will do it.
              1. Henderson
                Henderson 28 November 2018 17: 09
                -2
                It seems to me that you have little idea what you're talking about. At the household level.
                That's why you are trying to compare a small handful of telephone threats to the Telegram network and resources.
                And I actually didn’t talk about blocking IP addresses, this is precisely that stupidity that the Russian authorities stubbornly stop doing, and which in no way saved anything.
                1. Red_Baron
                  Red_Baron 28 November 2018 17: 18
                  +3
                  Quote: Henderson

                  It seems to me that you have little idea what you're talking about. At the household level.
                  That's why you are trying to compare a small handful of telephone threats to the Telegram network and resources.

                  Why did you decide that a small handful, that the telephone threats. That these are not the very special groups that were going to be hired in Europe to counter Russia. That these are not special services of a neighboring state and so on. Why don’t you know anything already? Are you Wang, confess?
                  And here Telegram in general, there is a completely different situation.
                  Quote: Henderson
                  And I actually didn’t talk about blocking IP addresses, this is precisely that stupidity that the Russian authorities stubbornly stop doing, and which in no way saved anything.

                  The fact that you don’t understand how, why and what is being done. Doesn’t mean that it’s stupidity, as it turned out you don’t understand much, but that doesn’t mean that the whole world around you needs to urgently stop breathing.
                  IP blocking in some cases is just what you need.
                  But since you were not talking about this, then tell us how it should. You say it in comparison for sure. We have already heard all the tales about the definition of a call and voice, only you don’t understand when it is applied and how it works. This is if you caught a person, you can determine what he called. How are you going to look for or something to compare a person from another state?
                  1. Henderson
                    Henderson 28 November 2018 18: 10
                    -2
                    Oh, what a wonderful bunch of water.
                    Quote: Red_Baron
                    Why did you decide that a small handful, that the telephone threats.

                    With the fact that a large bunch is much easier to find than a small one. Starting from undercover work and ending with the fact that a large pile leaves more traces and has a greater risk of piercing.
                    Quote: Red_Baron
                    We have already heard all the tales about the definition of a call and voice

                    it may personally be tales for you, but normal people use similar systems even for civilian use. Voice biometrics have long been used even by banks, which is why they are paranoid in terms of security.
                    https://www.speechpro.ru/
                    I repeat, if the security services for more than a year of work could not find the perpetrators, and, moreover, allowed the repetition of the like - why do they need parasites then?
                    Quote: Red_Baron
                    How are you going to look for or something to compare a person from another state?

                    are there any differences from no other state?
                    1. Red_Baron
                      Red_Baron 28 November 2018 18: 17
                      +3
                      Oh, what is the next portion of delirium.
                      Quote: Henderson
                      With the fact that a large bunch is much easier to find than a small one. Starting from undercover work and ending with the fact that a large pile leaves more traces and has a greater risk of piercing.

                      So present your research that you have found that allows you to claim a small handful. I’ll tell you another secret - sometimes a whole department works for a small pile.
                      So do you now admit that you invented various nonsense just by taking this data from your head?
                      Quote: Henderson
                      it may personally be tales for you, but normal people use similar systems even for civilian use.

                      So these are normal people, why do you need this? I repeat for you once again, but normal people understand the first time. Once again I repeat that in order to compare the voice with something, one must find a person. I personally wrote to you earlier that let's say you generally know the face, then what? But, as always, you couldn’t answer anything and composed another tale.

                      Quote: Henderson
                      I repeat, if the security services for more than a year of work could not find the perpetrators, and, moreover, allowed the repetition of the like - why do they need parasites then?

                      I repeat, calls appeared only the other day, how a year before the event you could find the perpetrators? With the help of fortune-tellers or something?
                      And I asked you how it was possible to prevent this, you once again answered about the comparison of votes. Where is the logic here?
                      Quote: Henderson
                      why are they so needed then parasites?

                      While we see that you are a parasite here. Or do you get paid to write nonsense?
                      Quote: Henderson
                      are there any differences from no other state?

                      AHAHAHAHHAHA yes, you will not be allowed into another state to identify, catch, etc.: D: D: D
                      1. Henderson
                        Henderson 28 November 2018 18: 38
                        -5
                        Quote: Red_Baron
                        I repeat, calls appeared only the other day, how a year before the event you could find the perpetrators?

                        a series of the same calls were over a year ago. And hundreds of all-military organizations were evacuated. The handwriting is the same.
                        https://lenta.ru/articles/2017/09/14/telephone/
                        https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1936862/
                        Quote: Red_Baron
                        AHAHAHAHHAHA yes, you will not be allowed into another state to identify, catch, etc.: D: D: D

                        At a minimum, performers should be installed, or at least their location. But that did not happen. Voice communication is not short messages in instant messengers. Everything is much more difficult to hide here.
                        The fact that the same thing began to happen a year later and the special services blinked, speaks of their incompetence. The special services did not stop repetition, that is, they did not fulfill their direct duties.
                      2. Red_Baron
                        Red_Baron 28 November 2018 19: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: Henderson
                        a series of the same calls were over a year ago. And hundreds of all-military organizations were evacuated. The handwriting is the same.

                        This is what you decided. You have no evidence or justification here either.
                        Quote: Henderson
                        At a minimum, performers should be installed, or at least their location. But that did not happen.

                        That is, they did not report to you? Why do you always think for someone.
                        Quote: Henderson
                        Voice communication is not short messages in instant messengers. Everything is much more difficult to hide here.
                        These are generally different things. In messengers, messages pass through their own system with their own encryption, and all this is inside the Internet. By the way, in messengers, you can use voice communication in the same way. Now everything has been in digital for a long time, even most phones have been transferred to digital lines.

                        Quote: Henderson
                        The fact that the same thing began to happen a year later and the special services blinked, speaks of their incompetence. The special services did not stop repetition, that is, they did not fulfill their direct duties.

                        Once again already in the next and I and others tell you - to stop this is not possible at all. Do you understand at all? Even you with your fantasies cannot think of a way. And what do we have in the real world?
                        Do you understand? at any time, any person, for example, not from our country, can call using some kind of switching tool and not one but several people. And in a year and in two and so on. They always could and they can. obviously someone can do it and you simply can’t do anything to him. And they can do it and not explicitly. That is, connecting through someone. And then a person will be completely out of business. In extreme cases, you can generally throw notes or send pigeons with mail. And they will be required to check. It is clear that you will yell - shoot all the pigeons, loafers. Then cats, then dogs, then people ...
                      3. Henderson
                        Henderson 28 November 2018 20: 16
                        -4
                        Quote: Red_Baron
                        Once again already in the next and I and others tell you - to stop this is not possible at all. Do you understand at all?

                        That's bullshit. If a year ago someone did this, then it is possible to calculate and neutralize them. But neither the first nor the second was done.
                        Quote: Red_Baron
                        In extreme cases, you can generally throw notes or send pigeons with mail

                        Normal opera computes both senders of notes and pigeons when they need it. In other countries, for cybercrimes they find themselves guilty and imprisoned. Not only for SMS and reposts in social networks, but for real affairs.

                        If the relevant units in the Russian Federation are just as incompetent in their field as you are, they are worthless.
                      4. Red_Baron
                        Red_Baron 28 November 2018 20: 28
                        +3
                        Quote: Henderson
                        That's bullshit. If a year ago someone did this, then it is possible to calculate and neutralize them. But neither the first nor the second was done.

                        That's bullshit. A year ago, there could be others. Once again you are declaring with full confidence that you do not know.
                        Quote: Henderson
                        If a year ago someone did this, then it is possible to calculate and neutralize them.

                        How to neutralize? To kill?
                        Quote: Henderson
                        But neither the first nor the second was done.

                        But you don’t know this either, maybe they were neutralized, it’s their loved ones who avenge those neutralized.
                        Quote: Henderson
                        Normal opera computes both senders of notes and pigeons when they need it.

                        So I already told you that let's say who did this. For example, this is some kind of citizen of a neighboring country. Ukraine, Latvia, Poland. What's next? Do you understand the words?
                        Quote: Henderson
                        In other countries, for cybercrimes they find themselves guilty and imprisoned. Not only for SMS and reposts in social networks, but for real affairs.

                        Naturally, other countries are normal, not that ours don’t understand which one, is it time for you to blame it? I’ll reveal the secret that would be clamped for cybercrime, there should be laws with responsibility for cyber crimes. But you oppose them. So what to plant?
                        Quote: Henderson
                        If the relevant units in the Russian Federation are just as incompetent in their field as you are, they are worthless.

                        And what is the incompetence of mine or of our respective units expressed? The fact that you can not answer a single question? The fact that you come up with some kind of connection, juggle the facts, try to turn events around. You yourself do not understand and do not know what and how, but you demand to do so that you would like it. And also demand the neutralization of some people, it is necessary to check this for calls for illegal actions. And I and the relevant units find myself guilty of your stupidities. This is not just gorgeous, just aerobatics flying to the moon.
                      5. Henderson
                        Henderson 28 November 2018 20: 38
                        -4
                        Quote: Red_Baron
                        That's bullshit. A year ago, there could be others. Once again you are declaring with full confidence that you do not know.

                        Where is the landing of these others?

                        Quote: Red_Baron
                        So I already told you that let's say who did this. For example, this is some kind of citizen of a neighboring country. Ukraine, Latvia, Poland. What's next? Do you understand the words?

                        further work of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation and all other public services, up to the president. Extradition of criminals. Where are the official requirements of the Russian Federation to the state-concealers?
                        Quote: Red_Baron
                        I’ll reveal the secret that would be clamped for cybercrime, there should be laws with responsibility for cyber crimes

                        Actually, everything has been around for a long time, and in extremely harsh forms. Why aren't they being used against real terrorists?
                        Quote: Red_Baron
                        And what is the incompetence of mine or of our respective units expressed?

                        Quote: Red_Baron
                        Once again already in the next and I and others tell you - to stop this is not possible at all. Do you understand at all?

                        Here in this. It's the same as if, after a repeated series of explosions, we say: "Well, we don't know where the terrorists were going to plant the bombs. We don't have an agent network, we hear about operational measures for the first time, we don't carry out any control on the roads, we are made for beauty, shaitanam, nasalnik. "
    2. Nasrat
      Nasrat 28 November 2018 13: 41
      +12
      And such a "learned" contingent in the military began to prevail ... it looks like a sabotage ..
    3. shark
      shark 28 November 2018 13: 56
      +8
      "We have the" best, most humble, analogous electronic warfare system "- well, they were stupid. An official in the police who would risk ignoring such a call? Yes, there are no such in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. And this is probably correct. What to do? Well, in Kiev, Lviv there are shopping centers ...
    4. loki565
      loki565 28 November 2018 14: 16
      +2
      Well, you understand what kind of commentator it is)))
    5. Cananecat
      Cananecat 28 November 2018 14: 34
      +3

      senima56 Today, 13:37 -16
      We have the "best electronic warfare system that has no analogs"!?!?! When are we going to put an end to these "telephone terrorists" ?!

      With the permission of the author, I will copy it to the memorizer ... rare stupidity must be preserved laughing
  6. Proton
    Proton 28 November 2018 13: 49
    +3
    Again hohlyatsky things am
    1. cniza
      cniza 28 November 2018 13: 55
      +2
      They are amused, thinking that they will be able to ruin Russia.
  7. Guards turn
    Guards turn 28 November 2018 13: 53
    +11
    On November 13, 2018, Belgorod customs officers detained a Volkswagen Passat passenger car owned by a citizen of Ukraine at the Nekhoteyevka international checkpoint. During the inspection of the car in the cabin, a batch of 990 SIM cards of the Russian telecom operator MTS was discovered. According to the man, he purchased a SIM card at a post office in Belgorod at the request of his friend. However, the detainee could not explain to whom and why in Ukraine such a large batch of almost 1000 SIM cards was needed.
    1. bubalik
      bubalik 28 November 2018 13: 58
      0
      ,, how many SIM cards can I buy for one passport?
      1. Guards turn
        Guards turn 28 November 2018 14: 12
        +1
        And for what purpose are you interested in?
        1. bubalik
          bubalik 28 November 2018 14: 16
          0
          ,,, yes, I wonder how you can buy 990 simok ,,,
          1. Guards turn
            Guards turn 28 November 2018 14: 20
            +3
            From January 1, 2016, street trading of SIM cards by private individuals is prohibited by law, which is not executed by purchase and sale agreements, with the mandatory filling in the fields about a person’s passport data.

            The number of SIM cards issued per person is not specified, but the authenticity of personal data will be carefully checked.

            Street trading of SIM cards is prohibited by law.
            1. Archivist Vasya
              Archivist Vasya 28 November 2018 16: 45
              +2
              At the Belorussky railway station in Moscow, they have been selling sim cards since ten years, maybe more. They are decorated with these same Tajik sellers / Uzbeks. A terrorist-telephone will buy a SIM card, call wherever he wants, and they will look for Abdullah some sort of one that has nothing to do with it.
              1. Guards turn
                Guards turn 28 November 2018 16: 57
                0
                Thanks for the signal, let's try to figure it out, take action.
              2. shark
                shark 29 November 2018 08: 53
                0
                Yes, not only in Belarus. Buying a sim without a passport is not a problem at all.
      2. Horon
        Horon 28 November 2018 14: 26
        +2
        Laws do not limit, and to the operator, the more he sells, the higher the profit!
    2. Comrade Beria
      Comrade Beria 28 November 2018 14: 07
      +2
      Quote: Guards turn
      During the inspection of the car in the cabin, a batch of 990 SIM cards of the Russian telecom operator MTS was discovered. According to the man, he purchased a SIM card at a post office in Belgorod at the request of his friend.

      Some nonsense.
      Sims must be sold upon presentation of a passport. And the mail does not sell them.
      MTS does not need responsibility for other people's sins.
      Apparently some kind of leftist. "Good" if for scams, but it is possible to use sim cards for explosive devices.
      1. loki565
        loki565 28 November 2018 14: 12
        0
        And if this is the brothers call ??? They have not written laws, so 99% of calls are from abroad)))
        1. Conservative
          Conservative 28 November 2018 14: 17
          0
          99% of calls are telephony over the Internet. even a skakuas will not call from his SIM card. Of course he’s dumb, but he doesn’t want to be wanted
          1. loki565
            loki565 28 November 2018 14: 19
            0
            Not a fact, as a friend wrote above:
            Guard Turn (Andrey) Today, 13:53
            +5
            On November 13, 2018, Belgorod customs officers detained a Volkswagen Passat passenger car owned by a citizen of Ukraine at the Nekhoteyevka international checkpoint. During the inspection of the car in the cabin, a batch of 990 SIM cards of the Russian telecom operator MTS was discovered. According to the man, he purchased a SIM card at a post office in Belgorod at the request of his friend. However, the detainee could not explain to whom and why in Ukraine such a large batch of almost 1000 SIM cards was needed.
            1. Conservative
              Conservative 28 November 2018 14: 21
              0
              about how. interesting story. I have not heard about this.
              In general, it is strange to buy 1000 SIM cards. There you need a passport. Although you can dodge.

              So even easier yes.
              1. Henderson
                Henderson 28 November 2018 15: 08
                -1
                Put down a bottle of homeless people and there will be several passports.
      2. Mimoprohodil
        Mimoprohodil 28 November 2018 17: 08
        0
        Just for SMS services. To accept SMS for registration for VK and other sites
      3. Red_Baron
        Red_Baron 28 November 2018 17: 25
        +1
        Unfortunately, the data from the same MTS and other organizations disappear regularly and pickups happen and for the money I think not very honest employees can do a forgery. The main thing is that then an innocent person would not suffer for sabotage. Because I know even on the forum of some individuals that they offer to grab and hang everyone.
        But when a woman began to send SMS to the Georgian embassy with a description of the military unit that had left its location, they demanded to justify it.
      4. your1970
        your1970 30 November 2018 11: 58
        0
        Quote: Comrade Beria
        Some nonsense.
        Sims must be sold upon presentation of a passport. And the mail does not sell them.

        1) could well sell by passportno quantity limits
        2) "Russian Post" quite legally distributes SIM cards to all operators. Naturally - only according to the passport
  8. Stasstasov
    Stasstasov 28 November 2018 13: 58
    +1
    Well, where are you cool our Russian hackers? Call the SBU where the Americans are sitting and inform that their asses will fly up in 5 minutes
  9. Stasstasov
    Stasstasov 28 November 2018 14: 00
    0
    The enemy must be beaten with his own weapon
    1. Henderson
      Henderson 28 November 2018 15: 08
      0
      To beat, you need to spend strength. It is much easier to express concerns.
  10. loki565
    loki565 28 November 2018 14: 11
    +2
    hohlostan resents)))
  11. IvanT
    IvanT 28 November 2018 14: 16
    0
    Poroshenko takes revenge!)))
  12. 501Legion
    501Legion 28 November 2018 14: 40
    0
    from a dumb country it all goes
  13. WEL7958
    WEL7958 28 November 2018 14: 40
    0
    sow panic, naive when in the 90s there was no panic bombing
  14. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 28 November 2018 16: 36
    0
    Why even accept such calls? Now in the Moscow shopping centers the frames are everywhere and one would think that a random person knows more about who carried what into the building and what? What nonsense. And those who want to blow up the shopping center will not call and warn.
    Another point is different - after the evacuation from the building where will the workers and visitors be located? - That's right, on the street, heap. And then it’s much easier to arrange an explosion among those waiting. Another reason is not to evacuate with such calls.
    Last week I watched a movie in a small shopping center not far from home, during the movie a fire alarm with a siren went off. For the first few seconds, no one even thought to go anywhere, everyone waited for the picture to appear on the screen, watched "The Crimes of Grindelwald", but soon the sound was cut off. The people slowly gathered up and went to the exit, where the cinema workers said that the alarm was training and that they could return, the film was immediately turned back on.
    1. Red_Baron
      Red_Baron 29 November 2018 18: 32
      0
      In Israel, they have been living for many years in a world where a major or minor terrorist attack is possible at every turn. And why we don’t hear about them every day - because people have an understanding, training and the right mechanisms are developed.
      We have most of the incidents for one reason - people are not ready, do not believe, do not understand. They are used to living in safety. That is a merit including our special services, but this does not mean that in addition to calls there are no people who want to arrange something. Explosives and weapons are constantly caught and seized.
      Perhaps it's better to be safe again.
  15. Doliva63
    Doliva63 28 November 2018 16: 49
    0
    In the 17th, this was also, but it’s understandable - preparation for the surprises of the upcoming World Cup. And right now, what they are preparing for is incomprehensible.
  16. Red_Baron
    Red_Baron 28 November 2018 17: 13
    +3
    Quote: Henderson
    special services need to track where the calls are coming from and switch them to themselves, instead of any police department or where the attackers are calling. The special services for this have all sorts of SORM, voice recognition systems and a bunch of employees. This is for a start.

    Well, let's say they tracked it - from South Africa, then what?
    Switch to yourself? a bunch of employees? I can imagine how some special services look in your eyes - a crowd of men in quilted jackets and earflaps is sitting and waiting for something to do. Ayda men today fight telephone terrorists - yeah, hooray, fight !!!!! and ran to fight ...
    Why recognize a voice? And with what to compare? Or let's say that Vasya Pupko from Ukraine was established, they probably have samples of the votes of all Ukrainians - then what?
    Quote: Henderson
    The second step, they are obliged to find out who, where, with whose help, on whose orders all this does. Already in a year it was all possible to find out.

    That is, calls began recently, but it was necessary to find out a year before, because someone somewhere on the Internet is sure that this is the same company does. Of course, there are no justifications and evidence, but when did you need them.
    Quote: Henderson
    Where is the result? And if he is not, then why do you need to maintain such bloated states?
    And leave rudeness for someone else.

    And what bloated states? Could you, instead of the usual chatter, provide a list of staff from states that are bloated? Or is this your next fairy tale? and no rudeness, I politely specified why a person who does not even understand anything of what is happening is so bubbling?
  17. Red_Baron
    Red_Baron 28 November 2018 21: 22
    +1
    Quote: Henderson
    Where is the landing of these others?

    In terms of where? Do you control all the convicts? Then tell me why and when they planted Vitka Sedogo?
    And where does the landing, you wrote about neutralization, they were neutralized.
    Quote: Henderson
    further work of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation and all other public services, up to the president. Extradition of criminals.

    Another stupid thing. I’m amazed, at least one area will be in which you understand well, at least the very top? Or all just for fantasies.
    I continue to reveal secrets to you. Only a court can declare a criminal. You first conduct a trial and prove that this person is guilty, then show something. I do not really understand how the Ministry of Social Development can influence or the development of the Far East. Yes, and a bunch of other public services, but since you told everyone then let them try, I agree. That is, the Foreign Ministry and others agreed on the extradition of criminals from that country, ok then what? The law has no retroactive force, and the act was committed earlier.
    And then let's bomb them ???
    Quote: Henderson
    Actually, everything has been around for a long time, and in extremely harsh forms. Why aren't they being used against real terrorists?

    Could you name them? By the way, I highly recommend you look in the dictionary what the word terrorist means. So laws against terrorists or cybercrime? You have a big problem - you start talking about one thing and only I think that an idea is about to be born, but no, you end up talking about something completely different.
    And could you clarify about the extremely rigid forms? Is it shot on the spot after gang rape?
    Quote: Henderson
    Here in this. It's the same as if, after a repeated series of explosions, we say: "Well, we don't know where the terrorists were going to plant the bombs. We don't have an agent network, we hear about operational measures for the first time, we don't carry out any control on the roads, we are made for beauty, shaitanam, nasalnik. "

    another portion of delirium. Do you seriously think that terrorists always plant bombs in the same places and just check those that were earlier to figure out their cunning plan? G))))
    Undercover network among telephone bullies? So maybe it’s easier to arrest them and not to spread agent networks among them: D: D: D By the way, I even know from which films and TV shows you took it F))
    Traffic control against telephone bullies? I think it is a must!
    Operational activities in another country? And this also needs to be practiced urgently !!!
    By the way, you know that it’s funny even you haven’t read the law of Spring, but you poke it. Here is a summary of the edits.
    "expanding the powers of security authorities;
    introduction of new requirements for telecom operators and Internet providers;
    introduction of requirements for postal services and freight forwarders;
    strengthening the regulation of religious missionary activity. "
    I’m sure that in this case it’s necessary to take advantage of the amendments on missionary activity, are you talking about them - extremely harsh forms?

    See - once again, you write without thinking and not knowing. Composing on the go and demanding that your tales be accepted by special services on faith. So that all state bodies including the president are in a hurry to fulfill the orders of someone who does not quite understand what the person writes. Even when you touch on the specifics, it turns out that you somewhere remotely heard about it but you already forgot what you were composing again.
  18. Red_Baron
    Red_Baron 28 November 2018 21: 57
    +1
    Quote: Balu
    What is the difference between a documentary and a film? Relation to the truth of life.

    No, of course. They are not told anything by their slightly different names Fiction and Fiction? Very sorry. The difference is generally only one that the documentary was filmed during the event or reconstructed. And art is an action thought out by the director and played. Although it may be, according to real events, there is little to differ from them, except for the director's view of them.
    Quote: Balu
    Perhaps I am better than you versed in anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, biophysics and much more. The human biofield is created by the movement of red blood cells through the vessels. In each red blood cell, Fe2, i.e. a dipole, is attached to the hemoglobin molecule.
    However, the potential difference in the human biofield is so small ... that connecting the wires to the head .... only very naive simpletons can believe in this.

    Possible.
    If not difficult, look briefly at this article https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/283640.php
    It contains shortened material, but this is enough to understand. There, the truth is not about the head itself, but about the nerves, but actually what are the nerves and what they serve.
    And then tell me again what you understand there.
  19. Astronaut
    Astronaut 30 November 2018 01: 41
    0
    Ukrainians again have fun ....