Life is not a fairy tale. Give the islands, and we will think about the peace treaty!

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So, let's say, some strange question about the Kuriles, isn't it? "Islands in exchange for a contract." Why contract? Well, why, to be. The situation, when a peace treaty is not signed, is somehow not very normal. We must conclude a peace treaty and live in peace. The logic is this. Well, here we need to stop a little and ask ourselves: who, strictly speaking, needs that same peace treaty? Who specifically? And Japan, and Russia? Is he, so to speak, in our “common interests”? Fine, just fine ... Then why should Russia alone pay for its conclusion?





Why, strictly speaking, do we need a peace treaty that Japan actually doesn’t really need? Do not you think that there is a certain "asymmetry"? That is, in August 1945 of the year, for example, Japan, a peace treaty was required simply to desperately, in any form, to cease hostilities. There was a kind of asymmetry in martial law, so a contract was required. At any cost already, but the contract.

I understand that today the situation in the Russian-Japanese relations is not as dramatic as that of Japan in relation to the allies in August 1945. Yes, of course, Russia would like to normalize Russian-Japanese relations. This is so, and it is difficult to deny. But, as I understand it, Japan itself should want no less than this. Otherwise, simply the world will not be durable and reliable.

That is, that very position of Japan, and de facto this “peace in exchange for territories”, is absolutely incomprehensible and raises questions. As a matter of fact, military actions as such are not conducted (and for a long time). Japanese bombers do not bomb the Far Eastern cities, there are no Japanese garrisons there. What is the “world”? What are you talking about?

In the summer of 1945, Japan’s martial law was critical and hopeless. There, a humanitarian catastrophe unfolded, of enormous proportions. Then yes then мир the Japanese were needed just desperately. By the way, in 1905, RI’s situation was long away not so critical. And so, in August 1945, Japan surrendered ... In the course of world war, in which it, in fact, remained the last participant on the part of the losers.

Today for Russia the situation is far from being so dramatic. And the offer of peace at the cost of certain concessions (the logic itself) looks rather strange. That is, if you follow the Japanese logic, they themselves get the world as if not really needed? And if they need it too, then why Russia should pay for it and only, it is absolutely incomprehensible.

For some reason, I recall the phenomenon of the German "negotiators" in the camp of the allies in November 1918 year.

- What are your suggestions for peace?

“But we have no proposals for peace, we like to fight!”

And then the Germans were already forced ask for that same world. That is what I am talking about, the contract, as a rule, to some extent reflects the current situation and the current balance of power. What islands? Why islands? Where does such drama and atmosphere pressure come from? I do not mean that the current position of Russia is absolutely brilliant. Just incomprehensible. Yes, the world is needed, perhaps even more than the Japanese, perhaps less, not the essence. There is simply no reason for any serious concessions.

There is no such "on the negotiating table." All the talk about Japan’s being “at a low start” with readiness to invest trillions of yen in Siberia and the Far East ... well, you know, this is simply not serious. Just some kind of unhealthy walking around these same islands. Muddy there somehow everything. And for some years now, 30 has been told to us by some kind of “magic stories»About the upcoming economic" breakthrough ". I declare responsibly (on the basis of the Japanese English-language press): all that the Japanese are ready to do is to “take” the islands “backwards”. And this does not mean “automatic” the signing of the very desired “peace treaty”.

How so? That's how. It is always recommended to “listen to the other side”. We do not understand that people are discussing the last 30 years on the subject of these islands. There is a wide access to the Japanese English-language press. There are comments to her. So, the position of the Japanese is approximately the following: there will be no peace treaty without returning the islands. But the return of the islands alone does not mean a peace treaty.

How so? That's how. Oil Painting: Ukraine and Euro-Association. What, you forgive, all the documents proposed to you, podmahivaet, not reading (based on the retelling of the one who slips it to you)? The position of the Japanese is very clear: there will be no peace treaty without the return of the South Kuriles. But why the opposite is true (return of the islands = peace treaty) is extremely difficult to say. In the Japanese press, I did not see such an assertion. never. No, the probability of this, of course, is small, but such a situation is possible that, having transferred the islands, we will not be able to sign a peace treaty. Lawyers like to talk about such things after a sauna.

In general, a very large “gap” is observed between how the situation with the islands in Japan is understood and how it is understood in Russia. In short, we would like to argue a little about different things. The fact is that at the end of 80-x / early 90-x, this very idea of ​​“returning” was presented to the Russians very beautifully: we were all very lucky! Why? There are some naive samurai, who simply dream to roll off a whole mountain of money for almost nothing ... well, so little change, nothing, some islands there ...

And the whole fun has risen around this, they say, if that “trillion” they dream of paying us, to divide them into everyone, then it turns out ... it turns out ... a donut hole turns out. The Japanese were not going to pay us any "trillions". He himself would have thought this idea rather strange. And in Russia, she was voiced in order to create a positive image of the problem: yes, not which islands to give - you live for us well (and the fools are always happy!) Want to roll off a whole bunch of money. And everyone started to have fun and walk on their ears.

So I want to upset: the very "heap" wore only virtual character. Once again, the position of the Japanese is as simple as mooing: return the islands, and just then we will talk further ... And even about those Russian citizens who live on the islands now, for some reason everyone in Russia by default means that the Japanese all they will be paid, and with a "slide". Well, how else, then?

I do not know. The Japanese somehow their fate is of little interest at all. After all, it is not their citizens. That is, no official / semi-official statements that they would be given "a bag of money in one hand," I somehow did not meet ... No, how then? I do not know. Not my question. But the Japanese are only interested in, precisely and exclusively, the islands. The fate of their population, they do not bother much.

All those “trailers” that we cling to the issue of “return” (peace, friendship, huge compensations and huge investments) are entirely far-fetched (by ourselves). Japanese nothing straight and unequivocal They do not promise and are not going to promise. That is, they say this: there will be no return, there will be no peace treaty, there will be no business and investment. The key word "will not be".

Once again: this whole muddy tale very much resembles the history of European integration of a great Ukrainian proud nation. They were promised anything, but in words and it is not clear who. Remember official statements by the Japanese side. Once again - the official. It’s just that “the return of the islands is the way to a peace treaty”. No more and no less. There are still a variety of home-grown propagandists begin to play out about billions in investments that will happen right after that ... So, these same promisees should be caught and beaten with candlesticks. Brass.

Because the Japanese themselves did not even try to officially promise anything of the kind. Difficult perceived, right? That is, purely “mathematically”, the Japanese do not offer straight in exchange for the islands. nothing at all. Life is not always like a fairy tale, sorry.

In general, the 1956 Declaration of the Year, oddly enough, was quite reasonable (although it could have been better done). Return 2-x islands (in words: two) after the conclusion of a peace treaty. Why not? Once again - the 1956 Declaration, in principle, is quite a logical step on the part of the USSR: the state of war ceased, relations were established ... The trouble is that no reasonable steps from Japan did not follow.

They refused to sign a peace treaty. That is, “the classics of the genre, the channel“ Melody ””: Russia really does something, the opposite side does not do a damn thing at all, and all further dances are conducted around what Russia has done. Boring gentlemen Very boring. And the Japanese constantly refer to the joint 1956 Declaration of the Year. That, like, promised to return something. Well, yes, they promised, in 1956 year. Two islands. After the conclusion of a peace treaty.

That is, in principle, it is still relevant today. Why not? The logic of Comrade Khrushchev was simple: since the Japanese need these islands so much, then let them sign a peace treaty. On our terms. The Japanese, however (not without US influence), did not sign anything. At that everything stopped, and for a very long time. In fact, the very joint Declaration is the maximum that Soviet diplomacy has achieved in all these post-war decades. Diplomacy is not an easy thing.

In general, it is absolutely incomprehensible why the Japanese refer to this very Declaration. We just can refer to it endlessly. First the money, then the chairs. First a peace treaty, but then ... What is the difference? And principled! The peace treaty is not two A4 format papers with signatures. The peace treaty is very, very serious. He, so to speak, defines all further relations of the two contracting powers. That is the very peace treaty (its content!) Is much more important than the fate of the two islands. So it goes.

Therefore, the position of Russia, when it refers to the Declaration of the 1956 year, is quite reasonable. Want an island? Well, let's sign a contract! But ... samurai rest, bawl. The fact of the matter is (among other things) that since 1956, Japanese diplomacy has not stood still and has already managed to sign a bunch of other treaties. With other powers. A kind of "system of international relations of Japan" has developed. Already formed. Without taking into account the interests of Russia, with which there is no agreement as not. And if in 1956 for new Japan, which is not the heir of the Japanese empire even once, everything was over and over again, today the signing of that “peace treaty” is never a child’s task.

I would even say, the task is puzzling and, perhaps, unresolved. Here in our country, just in the country, legal “nihilism” is popular: people respect neither laws nor treaties (according to the old Soviet memory). In vain, very vain. Without understanding the tremendous diplomatic significance of the Russian-Japanese peace treaty, it is impossible to understand the situation in principle. Without in any way pretending to be an expert in international law, I can doubt that such signing is possible today in principle. Purely technically. This war had been too long and too far from that war, Russia and Japan diverged in every sense of the word.

Such a contract is not easy: put up, put up and no more fight ... This is a very serious, very voluminous document, defining many aspects of future bilateral relations. It is doubtful just the ability of Japan today to do something like “typeset and sign”. Their independence is very, very surrogate. Unlike Russia. And imagine, the bilateral negotiations will begin and the show will begin ... Almost like with Poroshenko and his calls to the USA.

That is, the option is not excluded that even after the transfer of the islands we will very long and unsuccessfully negotiate something with the Japanese. Infinitely long. Once again: for them, the receipt of islands does not mean an automatic signing of something there, but only means the elimination of obstacles to negotiations.

And what we will get as a result of negotiations is a separate question. And whether we get it at all. This is the most Japanese obsession about the problem of the islands. In any case, the very question of Russian-Japanese relations is much “bigger” and more serious (that’s). Just for some reason it is not customary to talk about it, at least from the Japanese side. And how can we generally trust people for whom the question of relations with Russia is repeatedly outweighed by some local territorial problem?

On the part of Russia, the reluctance of something to decide and sign precisely on the basis of the total turbidity of future prospects is fully justified. The Japanese, of course, may, dropping their eyes, say that solving the “island problem” is the way to happiness in mutual relations, but this is not clear where and why this follows. Jumping forward with your feet into the dark is not the smartest decision. "Run over" already.

Summing up, we can say that we are discussing a little bit the wrong problem on a massive scale. First of all, the Declaration of the 1956 year (if we evaluate it completely) is quite a valid, sensible document. That is why the Japanese (at the suggestion of the Americans) did not fully want to carry it out. Secondly, the two islands, in exchange for a peace treaty (drawn up taking into account our interests) - this is just very, very good (if it were possible). Thirdly, it’s rather strange to discuss the material point, especially considering that the Japanese are not in a position to “pay”, and it’s foolish to sell the territories at any prices. Fourth, the position of the Japanese after the resolution of the “island problem” is completely unclear. And fifth, whatever we want (and whatever the Japanese want), the problem of mutual relations will not go anywhere from us.

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  1. +5
    28 November 2018 05: 20
    Sakura is blooming
    Fuji is whitening
    But Habomai hid the fog ....
    1. +16
      28 November 2018 07: 27
      But why should a 56 year agreement (not signed!) Be binding on Russia? Who cares what Khrushchev once promised to the Japanese! This maize is still that figure.
      I agree with the author, exchanging the territory for paper is not equivalent. Although Putin thinks differently. After all, he recently announced that an exchange under the 56-year agreement is possible.
      1. +3
        28 November 2018 07: 44
        We will never give up the islands of Japan. Russians do not sell their homeland.
        And we’ll think about a peace treaty if it is beneficial to us.
        1. +18
          28 November 2018 08: 35
          I do not understand, and who is the losing side? Who needs anyone?
          The 1956 Declaration, today it is a moss-covered piece of paper that the country has signed for 30 years. They do not want a peace treaty, do not. We will sell gas to the Chinese.
          No islands of Japan, to the eternal memory of the fascist past.
          1. +3
            28 November 2018 12: 09
            What kind of peace treaty is there WINING ?! Japan CAPITULATED! AND DOT! Maybe they will demand a peace treaty with Germany!?
            1. 0
              13 December 2018 08: 05
              Are we cold or hot from a peace treaty with Japan?
          2. GAF
            0
            28 November 2018 12: 18
            Quote: prior
            I do not understand, and who is the losing side?

            That's it. Why go around and around? What is the conversation about?
            In fact, Japan is under US occupation. And all her Wishlist inspired by the United States, which guarantee Japan "good neighborly"? relations with her immediate environment.
            According to the results of the war:
            "Complete and unconditional surrender" means the termination of the existence of the subject of international relations, the dismantling of the previous state as a political institution, its loss of sovereignty and all power powers, which are transferred to the victorious powers, which themselves determine the conditions of peace and post-war order and settlement. "
            We don’t owe anything to the Japanese! Let China butt over the islands. China will help them.
            In 1956, the extravagant Khrushchev started a muddy story, during which the United States exerted direct pressure on Japan and did not stop at an ultimatum: the United States declared that in the event that Japan signed a Peace Treaty with the USSR, in which it would agree to recognize South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands as part of the territory of the USSR , "The United States will forever retain its possession of the Ryukkyu Islands (Okinawa)."
            An agreement on military cooperation between Tokyo and Washington followed on January 19, 1960, and it enshrined the indefinite stay of the American armed forces in Japanese territory.
            This is the root of the problem.
            So Khrushch had to get out of this muddy story:
            “On January 27, 1960, the Soviet government announced“ a change in circumstances ”and warned that“ only on condition that all foreign troops are withdrawn from Japanese territory and the Peace Treaty between the USSR and Japan is signed, the islands of Habomai and Shikotan will be transferred to Japan. ” bald head.
            1. +1
              29 November 2018 08: 00
              For some reason, everyone forgets one of the provisions of the Soviet declaration on readiness to transfer 2 islands in exchange for concluding a peace treaty, namely, what is more, from the territory of Japan have be cleaned all!!! US military bases ...
              So ..... we are waiting for the implementation of this paragraph ..... well, in the evening ... maybe there will be chairs.
              Although I would have thought about chairs
        2. +1
          29 November 2018 19: 22
          Quote: Bearded
          Russians do not sell their homeland.

          But gas, oil, is this not the homeland?
      2. +3
        28 November 2018 07: 58
        I agree with the author, the exchange of territory for paper is not equivalent.


        For some reason, the Japanese do not want to sign the paper in principle, despite all its "cheapness" today.
        Apparently everything is not so simple with international law
        1. +10
          28 November 2018 08: 26
          Quote: Olezhek
          For some reason, the Japanese do not want to sign the paper in principle, despite all its "cheapness" today.

          Maybe they are not independent? There, in the conditions spelled out to remove the US bases from Okinawa (and other Japan). The base owners may not agree with this point. And now, I understand, they want to bypass this point, but present everything as if it were all "like in the 56 agreement." Yes, even if this item and will remain, and where are the guarantees that the scam Americans really leave Japan, leave forever and never return? But the islands will definitely leave, and we will stay with a piece of paper. You all very competently painted in your article.
          1. +3
            28 November 2018 09: 14
            It is "written down" not in the Joint Declaration, but in the Aide Memoire of the Soviet Government of January 27, 1960, and somehow this is rarely mentioned.
            The Soviet government considers it necessary to state that only subject to the withdrawal of all foreign troops from Japan and the signing of a peace treaty between the USSR and Japan, the islands of Habomai and Sikotan will be transferred to Japan as provided for by the Joint Declaration of the USSR and Japan of October 19, 1956.
            http://doc20vek.ru/node/1314
        2. 0
          28 November 2018 14: 59
          Quote: Olezhek
          For some reason, the Japanese do not want to sign the paper in principle, despite all its "cheapness" today.

          Perhaps the United States simply will not be allowed to do this, as well as those forces in Japan whose business is tied to the United States. The first is that with the signing of this treaty the soil is knocked out from under the conditions for finding American bases in Japan (we are not talking about China simply because at the time of their appearance it was not even taken into account). Second, Japanese business in the United States will definitely get complications. Third, it is from there that the United States (now the moment when China cannot be ignored) is trying to control and blackmail China, as well as control the seas saturated with shipping like nowhere else in the world. The Japanese establishment understands all this like no one else, and therefore their dances with a tambourine exclusively from the United States to reorient the claims of the people of Japan from the United States to Russia, as well as a very convenient tool to influence the votes in the next election, otherwise why do they set themselves the task obviously impossible. So, the conclusion is that Japan, like the USA, is satisfied with this situation and the longer it lasts, the better for them, and if it happens that a peace treaty is signed to some extent and somehow, the long-term building of the Far East’s control system will collapse. East. For the United States, this is unacceptable; they simply cannot afford this situation. By and large - this is the end of their world domination.
          1. +2
            29 November 2018 00: 15
            Quote: Jura
            Probably, the United States simply will not allow them to do this, as those forces in Japan whose business is tied to the United States.

            Not so much there are now there, most likely in recent decades, the situation is close to the Second World War, but only in the economic sphere.
            1. 0
              29 November 2018 00: 29
              Quote: Warrior2015
              Not so many there are now

              It may well be so.
            2. 0
              29 November 2018 00: 47
              Quote: Warrior2015
              rather, in recent decades, the situation is close to World War II, but only in the economic sphere.

              Although ... your words prompted the idea of ​​the US debt to Japan, a trillion-plus, it is rather an instrument of pressure on Japan is obtained. At one time, the United States stopped delivering oil to Japan, to which Japan responded with war, but then there were no American military bases on their territory. That is, if the United States, in the case of independent body movements of Japan, squeezes this money, it has nothing to answer, so the Japanese have to turn around like a snake in a frying pan.
      3. -1
        28 November 2018 13: 34

        Why the 56 year contract (not signed!)

        Signed and ratified by both parties
        1. +4
          28 November 2018 14: 09
          Quote: Avior
          Signed and ratified by both parties

          What already?? Are you writing from the Kremlin itself or from another ... specialized institution? But I would like to ask if the islands have already been given to YOU ​​THERE, since you hit your hands, or not yet?
          1. 0
            28 November 2018 14: 26
            The Soviet-Japanese declaration of the 1956 of the year (Moscow Declaration) is a joint declaration of the USSR and Japan, ending the state of war between the countries.
            It was signed on October 19 on October 1956 in Moscow by Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR Nikolai Bulganin and Japanese Prime Minister Itiro Hatoyama. On the Soviet side, the declaration was also signed by Foreign Minister Dmitry Shepilov, and on the Japanese side, Minister of Agriculture and Forestry Ichiro Kono [ja] and deputy of the House of Representatives Syunitsa Matsumoto.

            8 December 1956 of the Year The Presidium of the USSR Supreme Soviet and the Government of Japan ratified the declaration. The exchange of instruments of ratification was made in Tokyo 12 December 1956.

            The 1956 declaration was signed and ratified, that is, it has the force of law in the Russian Federation.
            So see?
            1. +5
              28 November 2018 15: 40
              Quote: Avior
              1956 declaration

              So we are talking about a contract, not a declaration.
              Quote: Avior
              that is, it has the force of law in the Russian Federation.
              So see?

              A declaration is just an announcement of intent, no more no less:
              A specific feature of the declaration as a normative legal act is general, non-specific the nature of the provisions contained in them, requiring additional legislative regulation; 2) in international law, a solemn act formulating the general principles and goals agreed upon by the parties.

              So we don’t care about these Khrushchev declarations.
              1. -1
                30 November 2018 00: 54
                it is a declaration only by name, in essence a document is an agreement.
                it has been ratified by both parties and has the force of law in accordance with article 15 of the Constitution
      4. +1
        28 November 2018 20: 20
        Quote: Stas157
        Who cares what Khrushchev once promised to the Japanese!

        So let them go to Khrushchev and take everything promised .... and even more.
  2. +22
    28 November 2018 05: 28
    A peace treaty is not just two A4 papers with signatures. A peace treaty is very, very serious. He, so to speak, determines all further relations between the two contracting powers. That is, the very peace treaty (its contents!) Is much more important than the fate of the two islands. So it goes.


    Yes, yes Oleg ... we already went through this by signing a non-aggression pact with Germany, an agreement on missile defense and INF Treaty with the USA ... and we all know how this ended. what worthless is the price of these pieces of paper by and large if you are weak and not able to repulse the enemy.
    so the fact that the Japanese are trying to make it into us from the same opera ... the world with the Japanese should be established on our terms and not on them ... roughly speaking, this is the law of the jungle, the one who violates it becomes prey of predators ... and even so we must always remember what kind of relations we had with the Japanese in history ... we cannot believe them.
    1. 0
      28 November 2018 05: 47
      Sakura is blooming
      Fuji is whitening
      But Habomai hid the fog ....


      I always liked Japanese gardens with Sakura ... incredible beauty.
      1. +17
        28 November 2018 07: 31
        Sakura is growing with me. But I do not demand Hokkaido ....
      2. 0
        28 November 2018 11: 14
        Where to get enough money to keep the kindergarten in this condition? It is necessary to work on it from morning to night, so that it simply remains so. And you need to work on the kindergarten from your photo from morning to night to a whole team ... On the topic.
        The author is right. Japan does not need to sign a peace treaty. At the same time, the Japanese are sure that we need! In general, the situation should turn in such a way that the Japanese really need peace with us. How to achieve this? At the moment, there are no factors that could be somehow turned, except for two positions.
        The first is the contradiction of Japan and China. If the situation escalates, it may be possible to intervene.
        Second - there is no peace? Why not fight? True, this method is not for today's Russia ...
        1. +2
          28 November 2018 15: 59
          Japan does not need to sign a peace treaty.

          Do we need? Can't we live without him? In fact, all the post-war years, our relations with Japan did not fundamentally differ from relations, say, with Germany or France. And there is no reason to believe that, having gained the islands, the Japanese will love and respect us more. Rather, the opposite.
      3. 0
        28 November 2018 11: 48
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        I always liked Japanese gardens with Sakura ... incredible beauty.

        For me, the mountains in the season of "red maples" are much more beautiful and peaceful.
    2. 0
      28 November 2018 07: 21
      we have already passed this by signing a non-aggression pact with Germany


      there was war then

      with the United States an agreement on missile defense and the INF.


      For a while they acted.
      Even when the Union collapsed.
      And then their denunciation did not happen suddenly, immediately and not at all easily.
      1. +2
        28 November 2018 10: 58
        Quote: Olezhek
        we have already passed this by signing a non-aggression pact with Germany


        there was war then

        with the United States an agreement on missile defense and the INF.


        For a while they acted.
        Even when the Union collapsed.
        And then their denunciation did not happen suddenly, immediately and not at all easily.

        Question: WHY do we need this agreement ??
        WHAT does it give the Russian Federation, in the current conditions? After all, it is naive to believe that signing it will "tear" Japan from the United States
    3. +2
      28 November 2018 07: 28
      worthless is the price of these pieces of paper by and large if you are weak and not able to repulse the enemy.


      Yes, how to say ...
      on the one hand, it is true - if you are weak then yes ...
      On the other hand, Mr. Gorbachev in words agreed to a non-expansion of NATO to the east.
      in words

      The paper had to be signed, the paper ...
      Pen, fountain pen ... paired with "partners".
      1. +11
        28 November 2018 07: 39
        The paper had to be signed, the paper ...
        Pen, fountain pen ... paired with "partners".


        Yes, yes ... with paper we will fight back smile ... on his nose is a woe.

        Our troops from the GDR were sent to Russia directly into the open field ... without preparing anything for them ... they threw people to the mercy of fate and nature ... they threw all the infrastructure ... they squandered equipment ineptly ... I remember so much like swearing. ..and to Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
        1. +6
          28 November 2018 07: 48
          Paper has now fallen in price. The words honor and honesty in international relations have become synonymous with stupidity.
        2. 0
          28 November 2018 07: 57
          Yes, yes ... paper will fight back smile ... on the nose to him vrazhin.


          The paper on non-expansion of NATO to the east would not hurt us.
          Signed
          1. +7
            28 November 2018 07: 59
            The paper on non-expansion of NATO to the east would not hurt us.
            Signed

            The Helsinki treaty on the inviolability of borders was ... Yugoslavia was not lucky ... Europe wiped her ass with this treaty.
            1. -8
              28 November 2018 09: 02
              Like the Russian Federation, an agreement on friendship with Ukraine and all speeches that we do not have territorial disputes and we recognize its borders.
              1. +3
                28 November 2018 09: 23
                Like the Russian Federation, an agreement on friendship with Ukraine and all speeches that we do not have territorial disputes and we recognize its borders.

                Ukraine is just lucky ... exists ... but Yugoslavia is not.
                It now depends on Kiev whether Ukraine will now go to the further collapse of its state.
              2. +2
                28 November 2018 10: 00
                But the borders of Ukraine with the Russian Federation after the collapse of the USSR were not officially registered anywhere.
        3. +1
          28 November 2018 08: 09
          Yes, yes ... paper will fight back smile ... on the nose to him vrazhin.


          Well, why do you need "Military regulations"?
          You will fight off the enemy from the book? laughing
          1. 0
            28 November 2018 08: 46
            You will fight off the enemy from the book?

            Yes, I’ll throw grenades instead ... smile
            I don’t remember that the Russian men of Napoleon were beaten according to the charter ...
            and the partisans of Kovpak thrash the book with a little nonsense.
  3. +6
    28 November 2018 06: 05
    Gardens are wonderful. especially Kuban.
    But the photo of the "hard workers" from Unit 731 is much more informative. Regarding the content of the article.
    1. +3
      28 November 2018 06: 18
      These sadists are Japanese ... the Japanese have a somewhat different attitude to death and it is not surprising that they had entire military units from kamikaze ... they do not perceive death as we do.
      1. +2
        28 November 2018 09: 00
        Many perceive death ... differently. What are the funerals in a number of countries where it is not customary to be sad and cry for them is a bad tone, but you need to have fun and see the person off to the other world with smiles.
        1. 0
          28 November 2018 09: 02
          Sometimes I think that in order not to get off the coils from our gray daily routine it is better to do so
      2. +4
        28 November 2018 09: 33
        And how many of those kamikaze were in pieces?
        And 650 thousand surrendered only to Soviet troops.
        On the widely publicized little Matua - 4 thousand. And our paratroopers lost 7 people.
        So the Japs love to live no less than others.
    2. -5
      28 November 2018 09: 01
      Times were like that. In the 30s and 40s, many countries conducted experiments of a similar nature; this was not spared by the USSR either.
  4. +5
    28 November 2018 06: 07
    donut hole

    God forbid, if possible, as with the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Germany ... also with fanfare ... and with joyful cries of demshiza.
    But in the end - a shame!
  5. +2
    28 November 2018 06: 07
    ... I suppose the Ipenians will NOT receive ANY islands, let them draw rainbow pictures for themselves as much as they want ... bully
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  7. +10
    28 November 2018 06: 14
    Dancing on the Russian side is annoying. Hints, half hints. Does not sound - "the treaty - please, the topic of the islands is not discussed at all, this is Russian territory"
  8. +5
    28 November 2018 06: 38
    A declaration is a declaration, it does not establish anything and does not oblige to anything .. It determines the intentions of the parties and no more ...
    Pages turned yellow
    Like leaves in September
    Ink dried like river beds
    In a drought. The wind fell asleep
    The sand of desire ...
    1. +1
      28 November 2018 11: 45
      Quote: parusnik
      A declaration is a declaration, it does not establish anything and does not oblige to anything .. It determines the intentions of the parties and no more ...

      And here's what the American science fiction and great visionary Paul Anderson suggested regarding the Japs:
      After the Second World War, there was nationwide sorrow over the Kuril Islands. After the Fourth World Question about the islands decided by itself: they went to the bottom of the ocean. Then the surviving Japanese founded the Mongku empire on the continent, but it was destroyed in the war against the Martian colony ...
      The quote is not accurate. I quoted from memory. The novel is called "The Planet From Which They Do Not Return."
  9. +4
    28 November 2018 06: 42
    Today, the islands, and tomorrow they are already American missile defense and INF. And as a result, the US demands for the transfer of Siberia under international (American) rule.
  10. +4
    28 November 2018 07: 02
    It was not Soviet diplomacy that achieved a declaration in 56; it was only enough for this little diploma of the opportunity to pursue politics, as Americans began to mature something and immediately covered up the topic. Today de facto yapi is the fifty-last state of america.
  11. -7
    28 November 2018 07: 41
    And if we offer the Japanese redeem islands? For the amount of the order of a trillion USD. Money, of course, go ahead. It’s just interesting to see their reaction. Do they not throw themselves together to close the problem, which has been screaming for 70 years? Then you can at least sign a peace treaty, at least not sign: nothing will change.
    By the way, what will the Japanese screech about after gaining the "northern territories"?
    1. +2
      28 November 2018 07: 56

      And if we offer the Japanese to buy the islands? For the amount of the order of trillion USD. Money, naturally, forward.


      I strongly recommend that you familiarize yourself with the position of the Japanese government on the issue of the "northern territories".
      Helpful by the way.
      1. +2
        28 November 2018 08: 07
        Yes, that’s understandable. Just what can they offer for the islands besides the peace treaty, without which we have been living perfectly for 70 years?
    2. +4
      28 November 2018 08: 00
      In addition to the Small Kuril Ridge (I can not stand the word Khabomai), there are the South, Central and Northern Kuril Islands and Sakhalin .... They also lick in Primorye.
      1. +5
        28 November 2018 09: 30
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        In addition to the Small Kuril Ridge (I can not stand the word Khabomai), there are the South, Central and Northern Kuril Islands and Sakhalin .... They also lick in Primorye.

        And lick on Siberia. On the islands closely. Expansion for them is possible only on the mainland. How many times have they tried to implement this in the 20th century. You can’t give your land to the invaders!
  12. +9
    28 November 2018 07: 58
    Any piece of paper is torn easily and simply, not to mention different contracts. Let us recall June 22, 1941. Earth is earth, but a piece of paper is a piece of paper. Moreover, who controls Japan and whose military bases are located on its territory. And what will the treaty and promises cost: not to expand NATO to the east.
    1. -1
      28 November 2018 08: 10
      Any piece of paper breaks easily and simply, not to mention the various treaties.


      Lavrov fire as unnecessary ... am

      And what will that treaty and promises be worth: not to expand NATO to the east.


      Duck contract or promise ???
      Actually, there is a certain difference.
  13. 0
    28 November 2018 08: 13
    Do not give up the islands, declare Hokkaido a temporary occupied territory and blame the Japanese for the Ainu genocide. Habomai in exchange for the entire coast of Hokkaido and the port on the Sea of ​​Okhotsk illegally occupied by the Japanese. Otherwise, Russia at any time has the right to the de-occupation of Hokkaido because the contract has not been signed.
    1. 0
      28 November 2018 08: 20
      Unfortunately, Stalin couldn’t show enough firmness on the territories promised by the Americans in Hokkaido (most of Hokkaido), treacherous Americans dropped atomic bombs on the Japanese only to not give most of Hokkaido to Russians, and Stalin understood the hint, but nevertheless, the brave Soviet fighters took away Chebe the keys to the Okhotsk occupying the Kuril Islands.
  14. +4
    28 November 2018 08: 16
    "Japan should invest billions in Siberia and the Far East ....." - and what will they give these billions? No raw material enterprises will be built with a controlling stake in Japanese business and who benefits from it? And it is beneficial to a bunch of people with dual citizenships like Brilev, who will improve their lead over the level of international poverty.
  15. 0
    28 November 2018 08: 42
    What does not suit the Japanese our draft contract? The fact that "Money in the morning and chairs in the evening"? If there was a project, then one could reason. And so, these negotiations will take place forever, while China is calm.
  16. +6
    28 November 2018 08: 45
    What are you talking about? Which islands? What is the return? Any surrender of its territory is at least treason and betrayal. The contract of the 56th in the scrap. We are not the USSR, but Russia. Peace treaty with the Japanese? But do we really need it? Any words, even on paper, are just words. Haven't the last years shown this? Do not rely on someone, only on your own strength and respond to any provocation harshly, so as not to be disgraced for later!
  17. -4
    28 November 2018 08: 56
    "And how can we generally trust people for whom the question of relations with Russia is many times outweighed by some local territorial problem?"

    And how can the world trust the Russian Federation, for which the issue of relations with the whole world is outweighed by a local territorial problem (everyone knows which one)?

    The Russian Federation opened a pandora’s box with Crimea. All countries maintained the status quo after the war and no one tried not to raise questions about the disputed territories. Now, many will present, here Poland, Germany, and Finland can now present demands in this case, and not just Japan.
    1. +8
      28 November 2018 09: 28
      The Russian Federation opened a pandora’s box with Crimea.

      Why lie then.
      The Pandora’s box was opened by the USA and the EU supporting the aggression against Yugoslavia and Libya ... that’s where all the treaties that ultimately led to Crimea were violated.
    2. -2
      28 November 2018 09: 53
      And how can the world trust the Russian Federation, for which the question of relations between the whole world is outweighed by the local territorial problem


      1 Ukraine is far from "the whole world"
      2 Relations with Japan are important to us, with Ukraine - not very
  18. +8
    28 November 2018 09: 32
    Well, Medvedev leaked Norway a piece of the Norwegian shelf for hell, so what? They hosted a carnival on this occasion. And now it’s hard to find a country with a more boorish Russophobic policy. Such suckers are simply not respected and they want to tear them off yet.
  19. +1
    28 November 2018 09: 46
    The Japanese are ardent nationalists, this must be taken into account and understood! Not a single politician will agree to our terms !!!
    That's it, the conversation is over, then the long jumps on the tatami without any prospects for the desired result!
    "Dancing" boys, "dancing"!
  20. +5
    28 November 2018 12: 58
    you need to stop a little and ask yourself: who, in fact, needs that peace treaty? To whom specifically?

    The only person who needs an agreement now is Putin personally.
    He got into diplomatic isolation, but he was not used to it, he is very uncomfortable in this position.
    The first guy in the village, as it turned out, is not very urban.
    and now he needs at least a small diplomatic success, at least partially breaking through this blockade.
    And you do not need to look for deep political reasons in all this - they are purely personal.
    1. +1
      28 November 2018 17: 07
      He got into diplomatic isolation, but he was not used to it, he is very uncomfortable in this position.


      Well, how will the transfer of the islands help to get out of this very "isolation"?
  21. +2
    28 November 2018 14: 21
    Give the islands, this is a crime! Why should we rely on the 1956 declaration? It has not been ratified by the Japanese. We must abandon her! And no joint management. If only in Hokkaido.
  22. 0
    28 November 2018 14: 47
    It seems to me that the exchange is somehow not equal, for two signatures on a piece of paper we must give several hundred square kilometers of our land. What the hell is this for us? We cannot trade with Japan, they do not let our tourists go, are scientific projects between us prohibited? What for?
  23. 0
    28 November 2018 14: 50
    The war with Japan is not over. The transfer of territories to the enemy without war is a betrayal or operational necessity. A just peace treaty can only be after a good war.
  24. -1
    29 November 2018 10: 08
    Thanks to the author for the article - in no case can the Japanese be trusted. If they already put youth in the ears that Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombed the USSR ......
  25. 0
    29 November 2018 15: 46
    Quote: Bearded
    We will never give up the islands of Japan. Russians do not sell their homeland.
    And we’ll think about a peace treaty if it is beneficial to us.

    Well, I think our government will not look at public opinion, it doesn’t give a damn about the opinion of the people. They won’t even ask us, but they will open such propaganda on TV that it’s impossible to a Russian without a peace treaty with Japan! Look, as support for increasing retirement age now shows! The whole country rejoices! hi
    1. 0
      30 November 2018 00: 44
      Every piece of land in our country is watered with Russian blood, we cannot trade in the memory of our ancestors, we must not forget their graves and graveyards.
  26. 0
    29 November 2018 20: 25
    Actually, the Americans promised us in Tehran and Yalta and Hokkaido. For joining the war. It is necessary to demand the implementation of this particular agreement. And the loser in general who is obliged to ask what?
    1. 0
      30 November 2018 00: 41
      Well, yes, we should give a hint to Trump.
  27. 0
    29 November 2018 20: 55
    The Japanese are rapidly aging. There are many old people, few youth. They want to raise the retirement age. Do not get married, use dolls. Moreover, both men and women en masse. Among youth, recluses are multiplying. They sit at home in a network without any interference. A nation on the verge of collapse. Need a shake. You can war, but after hell who and what will remain of Japan. Therefore, islands are needed. Type: return, settlement and other cheers and banzai. But somehow rude. It’s not possible with explosives, it’s only possible to get a knob. But the penguins are pushing, yes, the descendants of the samurai to war, very self-relishing, and doll lovers do not mind.
  28. 0
    30 November 2018 00: 39
    70 years we lived without a peace treaty, and now the situation in the world is going to war, and we decided to sign a peace treaty with a fool, miracles and more.
  29. 0
    2 December 2018 19: 16
    One question: Do we even need an agreement with an occupied country? It is clear that in this case Japan is just a mask from which mattress ears stick out. Just unequivocally indicate Yapam in their place (latrine)
  30. 0
    15 December 2018 19: 39
    Or maybe it's time to send japs ​​to a known address? So to say: the issue with the Kuril Islands is closed completely. About Crimea, they said so already.

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