Psychologist's comment on the statements of Ukrainian sailors

The statements of the Ukrainian servicemen made after the arrest of the artillery boats "Berdyansk" and "Nikopol" and the raid tug "Yany Kapu" are discussed. Video released by the Public Relations Center of the FSB on the eve.

In Ukraine, as previously reported, noted that the Ukrainian sailor pronounced the text prepared in advance, which is noticeable on facial expressions and quick pronouncing of words. Roller:

But the fact is that no one is going to argue about the reading of the text by this Ukrainian soldier "on piece of paper." The fact is different: the personnel Ukrainian soldier who took the oath to his “independent” state behaves rather cowardly.

Representatives of the Ukrainian Navy and the Security Service of Ukraine, who took part in a blatant provocation profitable to Petro Poroshenko, themselves demonstrate their “best” qualities. By the way, the former Minister of Defense of Ukraine Kuzmuk announced this on the eve. Sailors lowered the Ukrainian flags from the ships of the naval forces, which Kuzmuk called a disgrace for the Navy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and for the whole of Ukraine. According to the former official of the government of Ukraine, military sailors had to fight, even if they did not have ammunition - "go to the ram." The same Kuzmuk did not get an answer to his question about who gave the order to carry out a provocation, if the armored boat "went without ammunition, knowing the presence of the enemy."

Instead, the soldiers, frankly demonstrating relief from the situation with the detention by the Russian border guards, are clearly ready to do anything, until the proposed text is pronounced. Whether this behavior is worthy of a real soldier who claims to be the representative of "one of the strongest armies on the European continent" is a rhetorical question.

Other speeches (two more natural from a psychological point of view than the one presented above) (in the end of the video, repeat the statement from the serviceman mentioned above):

Comment psychologist:

Psychology of behavior of Ukrainian sailors suggests that they are all quite satisfied with their current position. Probably, realizing that they were not sent to ensure that they calmly passed through the Kerch Strait without notifying the Russian side, the servicemen realize that everything could have been much worse for them in the end. They are clearly not ready to assess themselves as traitors to the interests of Ukraine, who surrendered without a fight. And all because they have no guidelines on how to act in such a situation. They see that the interests of Ukraine are surrendered first of all to the power that is in Kiev, and this, in their understanding, fully justifies the actions they have committed, including the actions after the arrest. Yes, they could not make a fairy tale about Ukrainian "cyborgs" come true, which indicates the degree of demoralization in the Ukrainian troops.

Comments

[Free man]

How sailors behave during interrogation is not particularly interesting. They had the courage and audacity to go to sea on this adventure, let's be objective. But how detained SBU officers who were on board behave during interrogation is more interesting to me.

[igorka357]

There is an order in the army, if you want it or not, you have to comply, otherwise you can get under the tribunal! And according to the situation in Ukraine, you’ll get to the SBU dungeons, so it’s not yet known whether they were lucky or not!

[Vita vko]

Quote: igorka357

There is an order in the army, if you want, you don’t want,

There are also such concepts as "criminal order" and "illegal order". In this case, the sailors were following an illegal order, i.e. an order that contradicts the Law on the State Border of both States, as well as the Agreement between Russia and Ukraine on the use of the Sea of ​​Azov.
And since there is clear evidence of an illegal order issued by the highest echelons of power of the Kiev junta, the Act on the Sea of ​​Azov has been violated by Ukraine and Russia has the full legal and moral right to terminate it or suspend and close its territorial waters for Ukrainian shipping in the Kerch Strait until this is settled problems or entering into a new agreement.

[Halado Romane]

What are you talking about ?! "Impudence, criminal order, courage ...." It's one thing to ride on the Maidan and yell in bad voices about what they will do with the Muscovites! Another thing is when these Muscovites calmly but firmly offer them to go on deck with their hands up ... In short, a step aside, an attempt to escape, jumping on the spot (the most offensive for Svidomo) provocation, shoot to kill! In such a situation, Svidomo's independent soul is lost, but in a purely European way he understands that heroism is completely inappropriate.

[igorka357]

Let's be objective, in the Second World War, Ukrainian grandfathers did the same heroic deeds as ours did! So you don’t need to throw hats either!

[Halado Romane]

Igorka357, and where did you see me talking about Ukrainian business ?! Svidomye, including those who staged this heinous provocation against Russia in the graves of their RUSSIAN ancestors spit for a long time, unless of course their ancestors were not Bandera. So, you put on a hat, but you can take off your skis. Well, or read more carefully what you answer. And by the way, one of these "heroic" Ukrainian sailors told the camera at one time how he would sink Russian ships ... So that everything is right. And let them think about their ancestors, I have no time!

[The black]

Ukrainian Navy: The lights of Moscow City were already visible from the captain’s bridge, as an order came from Kiev - they would return

[Tatyana]

I saw a more complete interrogation video 3-x Ukrainian sailors (see below.)
Two speak for themselves. But the commander reads from the monitor, but the text still sincerely belongs to him. And that's why.

I have the following opinion on this occasion.

I do not think that, purely tactically, the rank and file of Ukrainian ships knew in advance about the setup of their lives by the command of the Armed Forces in relation to a pre-planned act of violation of the Russian border by them. Most likely, they found out about this during the campaign. And when they found out, the psychological reaction of the sailors was as follows:
1. An understanding has come that their provocative actions can serve as a real reason for starting not just a war between Ukraine and Russia, but a global war. In this case, every normal person will have a crucial question in his head: what is more expensive for them and how should they do the right thing?
2. An understanding has come that the border guards of the Navy have every right to them and can simply sink, but nevertheless bother in them, as with the little ones. At the same time, however, Ukrainians had combat equipment and ammunition for them on Ukrainian boats and were put on full alert. But with the motivation for the battle, they did not turn out as well as the Ukrainian authorities in Kiev would like, who sent them to provocation and death from drowning.
I think that by and large, the sailors simply "got sick" to fight for the oligarch Poroshenko and his pro-American comprador power in Ukraine, they did not find it necessary. Moreover, it became absolutely clear to them that their top Ukrainian officials from Poroshenko simply let them into a banal "biological" expense, like earth dust. They don't fight for "traitors".

Interrogation of detained Ukrainian sailors. Published: November 26 2018 of the year.

[Stas157]

a regular Ukrainian serviceman who swore an oath to his "independent" state is behaving rather cowardly.

And you remember how the stray paratroopers behaved! They looked no better. And then, these Ukrainian sailors, normal Russian guys, they understand very well that this was a provocation of the junta against Russia. What are they talking about.
Well, in the end, they were not taken prisoner by the Nazis, but in Mother Russia, where they "will forgive", they will also feed, and give to drink, and send them home to their mother.

[Hort]

An understanding has come that their provocative actions can serve as a real reason for starting not just a war between Ukraine and Russia, but a global war.

Do you seriously believe that someone will harness for Ukraine in such a way as to start a global nuclear batch?

[purple]

Quote: igorka357

Let's be objective, in the Second World War, Ukrainian grandfathers did the same heroic deeds as ours did! So you don’t need to throw hats either!

They weren’t Ukrainian ... but the Soviet ones ... and that’s 2 big differences ... Ukrainian grandfathers were sitting on caches and they cut out villages

[igorka357]

The iron argument is of course, but only my grandfather, the commander who changed three tanks, who reached the capture of Berlin from the start of the war, and who lost his leg while saying that there was a crest and a Georgian in the crew .. and both were very crest and Georgian ..) )) in addition, they did not have a high opinion of the Soviet regime, for which my grandfather often distributed lule to them, being under 100 grams of combat ..))

[Kunica]

I do not think that these sailors "jumped" somewhere there. Do they think they are glad that such things are sitting in Kiev and poking them anywhere?

[denart50]

Quote: Halado romane

What are you talking about ?! "Impudence, criminal order, courage ...."

The main idea expressed by Vita VKO (Vitaliy) is that Ukraine by its actions clearly violated the agreement between the two countries on the Sea of ​​Azov, and, thereby, untied the hands of Russia ...
They wanted to provoke Russian sailors into an armed conflict, but it didn’t work out ...
Now, the work of the Russian FSB officers and, accordingly, of lawyers and the Foreign Ministry ...

[andj61]

Quote: Vita VKO

In this case, the sailors carried out an illegal order, i.e. an order which contradicts the Law on the state border of both states, as well as the Agreement between Russia and Ukraine on the use of the Sea of ​​Azov.

And what does the agreement on the Sea of ​​Azov have to do with it? All these events took place in the Black Sea and have no relation to the Sea of ​​Azov. If at the beginning the borders of Russia off the coast of Crimea were violated (Ukraine does not recognize them and there are at least some options here), then later, approaching the Kerch Strait, these boats violated the Russian border as of 2013, that is, BEFORE accession Crimea. So the criminal cases of illegal border crossing and arms smuggling here are justified under any law - do not violate the border!

[VO3A]

Dear Sirs ! Among all the unthinkable nonsense and emotions at all levels, I met only one publication, which clearly and clearly allows you to identify those responsible for the provocations in the Kerch Strait and give a clear assessment of the incident:
https://www.interfax.ru/russia/639566?utm_source=smi2

Moscow. November 27. INTERFAX.RU - Russia was ready to let the Ukrainian ships pass if they duly applied for passage through the Kerch Strait, the Vedomosti newspaper reports, citing a source close to the Russian Defense Ministry.

"The Russian side was ready, as it was already on September 23, to let the Ukrainian ships pass if they duly submitted an application 48 hours in advance, took on board a Russian pilot and did not violate the territorial waters," the source said.

"Permission from the port authorities was needed to pass through the Kerch Strait even in the days when Crimea belonged to Ukraine," he added.

[NordUral]

Andrey! I agree with the information. But here with the appeal gentlemen, in VO, I think there are none, even among the mishandled Cossacks and trolls.

[VO3A]

You thought it a little, just a day with a little ... Give birth to something else ... But the size of the font does not bother ... Or maybe go for a consultation?

[NordUral]

I answered it very quickly, sir.

[igorka357]

What do you mean by a criminal order? Here, after all, from which side to look? Well, how, for example, Donbass for Ukraine, differs from Chechnya 94th for Russia? It's a difficult question? Chechnya wanted secession, and Donbass wants ... there were rebels in Chechnya for the whole world and fighters for freedom, and for us they were militants and separatists, but now on the contrary, for us Donbass men are fighters for independence and freedom, and for the whole world there are "separatists" and militants! I completely agree with the annexation of Crimea to the Russian Federation, since this is very an important strategic region, but ... who told you that we seized it legally, just don’t about the referendums, even if it was held by the majority! Crimea is the territory of another country, in fact, our specialists seized all the objects practically without a single shot in Crimea, they also fulfilled the criminal order perfectly! I repeat once again, the military has an order, and he is obliged to carry it out, they will be judged later! Another thing is orders that contradict the special norms and provisions of a serviceman, such as measured destruction of the civilian population, that is, genocide in fact, and then a soldier must, bypassing his commander, report to his superior! If he is not heard at the top, he will be obliged to follow the order of his commander directly! Yes, a simple example for you when the village sheltered our partisans, the whole village was shot, and this was not considered a crime, since the whole village became accomplices of the partisans! And only after the end of the war, such things began to be called by their proper names! Take Afghanistan, our auls leveled the auls to the ground, if they did not cooperate, but ours, at least with the population, did not commit atrocities! Ukraine does not recognize the Kerch Strait as Russian and therefore the naval sailors had no choice but to do it! And do not forget the little heads that they have there are 80% delusional!

[Oden280]

Do not confuse the struggle to stay alive and the war for the right to rob the border regions. Chechnya was given the opportunity to secede from Russia, but they engaged in robberies, kidnapping and theft of cattle. About banking fraud is not worth mentioning. Something I don’t remember about such tricks of people from the Donbas and the Luhansk region. These fucking ATOshniks themselves are robbing them.

[igorka357]

Well, well, you did not hear anything about the first humanitarian convoys from the Russian Federation to Ukraine ..))?

[hohkn]

Quote: igorka357

Well, than Donbass for Ukraine, for example, differs from Chechnya 94th for Russia? A difficult question, right?

Nothing complicated.
In the Donbass, too, Ukrainians cut their heads, as in Chechnya, the 94th?
In the Donbass, Ukrainian oil is stolen and sold?
Donbass residents in Kiev cash out false advice notes?
And many more such questions. If you can answer at least one positively, then you are certainly right. If you can’t ... draw your own conclusions.

Quote: igorka357

I completely agree with the accession of Crimea to the Russian Federation, since this is a very important strategic region, but ... who told you that we captured it legally, just do not need referenda, even if it was held by a majority for! Crimea is the territory of another country , in fact, our specialists that almost without a single shot captured all the objects in the Crimea, also complied with the criminal order perfectly!

Do you deny that a referendum was held? I hope you do not dispute the results of the referendum? And our specialists did not commit anything criminal there, and, most importantly, they were legally there.

[igorka357]

Naturally, on our TV, they won’t show you this! I don’t dispute the referendum! Naturally, our specialists were there on the orders of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, that is, quite legally ... from our point of view, but from the Ukrainian, and from most other countries, on the very not legit!

[dvina71]

Quote: igorka357

I completely agree with the accession of Crimea to the Russian Federation, since this is a very important strategic region, but ... who told you that we captured it legally, just do not need a referendum, even if it was held by a majority of

We did not capture him. I explain in a simple way .. The Constitution is not a thing in itself .. it’s an agreement. In which the entire population of the country establishes the state, the principles of its management, the relationship between government and society. Rights and obligations .. This agreement, like any other, is valid until of the moment while all parties are observing it. The displacement of the chief manager by force by a group of citizens is still a violation. So all regions of the former Ukraine have every right to act at the discretion of the population ... because in the constitution, the population is the basis of the agreement. Crimea was in the most favorable position .. its managers did not shed and carried out the will of the population. The rest of the regions either sided with the conspirators, or were choked with blood and pain .. Lugansk and Donetsk stupidly lost all representative power, self-organized .. But that’s why Kiev is against the elections there ... it gives Donetsk residents legitimate power ... which will fulfill the will of the population.
So .. Crimea himself made his choice, legally ..

[igorka357]

The will of the population of Crimea was fulfilled not by the managers, but by our commandos, who performed the task perfectly! I would have looked at these managers, if there weren't "polite people" there!

[SSR]

Quote: igorka357

Ukraine does not recognize the Strait of Kerch as Russian and therefore the sailors had no choice but to do it!

You can see that you did not closely monitor the events, boats and a tugboat, entered the 12 mile zone, which was even Russian before the reunification with Crimea.
PS.
I think it is necessary to stop writing about the annexation of Crimea, it was a reunion.

[igorka357]

Perhaps I did not watch about the 12-mile zone! Why then didn’t they reunite with Ukraine?

[purple]

Quote: igorka357

Well, how does Donbass for Ukraine, for example, differ from Chechnya 94th for Russia?

Well, you seem to be looking completely off topic ... Firstly, the question of ethnicity and religion ... If you think, you can compare and understand ... What is the real reason.
And in the Donbass, the same Russian people as in Kiev ... it was just in Kiev that they had more of a shame on them, and they went to kill each other, and well, for no reason at all. The reason, of course, was, but far-fetched, everything could be resolved peacefully, I’m the only one people alone and by and large. But then suddenly the Nazi fascists wanted blood, and they began to kill, well, respectively, the return flow came, and it spun.
But by and large, Russians are killing Russians, only one decided that they became some kind of Ukrainians and someone is encroaching on them ... Yes, by and large, nothing would have changed, it would have been worse if they didn’t live, not that they now have.

[igorka357]

In Chechnya, too, the same Russian people were, and in Ukraine there is always a mov there, as in Chechnya on Chechen! We are in the Great Patriotic War shoulder to shoulder .. and Ukrainians and Chechens, and macaws and Azerbaijanis .. did not think about an ethnic group!

[Slavs]

Quote: igorka357

Well, than Donbass for Ukraine, for example, differs from 94 Chechnya

It is distinguished by the fact that the Russian-speaking did not throw out Ukrainian-speaking from the windows, and Donbass did not declare sovereignty before the troops were brought in, no one promised land allotments in Ichkeria to the federal troops, and the soldiers did not shout, _ we all hang you all_, and the Russian nationalists did not go by bus to Grozny and didn’t burn the tires for a Minute ... Do you understand the difference? !!!!

[igorka357]

How was it not thrown away and burned? It's very strange ... but I personally heard them yelling, "die rashist creatures" very much even in Russian and even without an accent practically, but haven't you heard? Yeah, the nationalists did not go, the contractors went to tanks, which Pasha "Mercedes" disowned on the air!

[Slavs]

Quote: igorka357

! Take Afghanistan, our villages were leveled with the earth, if they did not cooperate, but ours at least did not commit atrocities with the population!

Lord, man, how old are you? What do you know about the war ?? What are you pulling afghan? What, how and why was there? Do you climb here at all? Is it publicity again or what?

[igorka357]

I have enough years, and what I know about her, you'd better not know!

[Oden280]

Apparently you are still a schoolboy, and you don’t know and understand anything about the war.

[tihonmarine]

Have you been there in Afghanistan, or just heard enough tales?

[Slavs]

I wasn’t. I just listen to stories.

[sla1372]

Well, you compared however !!!! want to say something about budenovsk? maybe about the northeast? the difference, feel the DNI and the LC does not take joy in hostages and cities in URIN too

[NordUral]

No, that's not all. In Chechnya, the Russians did not organize "friendship" trains and buses, as in the Outskirts.

[Samvel]

A criminal order is an environmental case, and even that concerns the defeated.

[hohkn]

Quote: igorka357

And according to the situation in Ukraine and to the dungeons of the SBU, please, so it is not yet known whether they were lucky or not!

They have not lost everything yet. After the exchange and the dungeons, the SBU will visit. And for some reason it seems to me that it is not for educational purposes.

[sedoj]

Quote: igorka357

And according to the situation in Ukraine and to the dungeons of the SBU, please, so it is not yet known whether they were lucky or not!

They were written off already by the very fact of participation in this provocation. And now they will end up in the dungeons of the SBU. Only because they survived.

[Yodzakura]

What order is it not conscripts are professional Bandera

[igorka357]

Seriously? I thought that the officers and contractors of our Navy are servicemen obliged to obey orders, but they turn out to be professional "Muscovites"? What kind of nonsense?

[tihonmarine]

Well, for the captain of the third rank is the best way out, it asks for political asylum in Russia.

[Machito]

Sing Lazarus.
She feels a cat - whose meat she ate.
Six years in Siberia shines for armed provocation on the border. They were lucky that they did not try on wooden pea jackets. Or fish are not fed.

[tap]

Let go with the wishes of happiness. We are kind.

[purple]

Quote: Bearded

Six years in Siberia shines for armed provocation on the border. They were lucky that they did not try on wooden pea jackets. Or fish are not fed.

Well, to the one who is definitely from Nakhimovsky ... for 10 years in Magadan, let him understand

[Ham]

Quote: Free man

They had the courage and the audacity to go to sea on this adventure

well, let’s erect a monument to them ...
most likely - they used it in the dark or promised "Nata's support"

[The leader of the Redskins]

In the Israeli army, if I am not mistaken, those who are captured are allowed to tell military secrets and other secret information, because the life of a soldier is important for the state. We just got used to the cliche that was poured onto us from the screens for a long time - die, but be silent! A bunch of options. From muzzle and torture to intimidation and mental pressure. They will bring and lay a wounded comrade nearby. Skazhuk - read it from a piece of paper, or your friend’s friend will now pull out the droppers and unwind the bandages. And what, will you be silent and look into the eyes of a dying comrade?

[Foxmara]

Well, they threw their comrades near Donbas. Bender’s own skin is more important.

[Awaz]

This is a strictly Jewish rule. So to speak - mentality features. And here you can’t do anything ... Remember - in the Chechen war, young Russian boys, captured, not being zealous believers, but even under the threat of execution did not refuse crosses ... And neither Stalin nor the commissars stood behind them ...

[Slavs]

Zhenya near Bamut .... Boy ... Boy ...

[igorka357]

An isolated case! And how many Islam accepted ..oooo, even the information does not want to bring information!

[Slavs]

Everyone’s personal business, more importantly - the hide or the Motherland and comrades .... I would probably give up. But a whole generation has proven that the homeland is more important ....

[igorka357]

That’s exactly what’s different, the Internet, girls and clubs, are much more important than protecting the interests of their homeland, and friends with whom I ate some ration from one pot ... in general, it’s a bargain for such!

[raw174]

Quote: Free man

How sailors behave during interrogation is not particularly interesting

Our paratroopers in the Donbass also behaved the same way. The situation was incomprehensible, what the tasks were, it’s not clear ... And what the SBUshnikov told, they won’t tell us, and the rank of these SBUshnikovs is probably not high and they really don’t know anything serious, because these ships sent for a provocation and there was a similar outcome probable.

[cniza]

They were supposed to be unable to say anything, but those who sent them miscalculated.

[ZakPo]

Our paratroopers knew very well how likely I was to torture and be killed while being held captive at the hands of the SBU or PS commissars. What is the likelihood of torture at the hands of the FSB in this situation? And the pressure on them is not particularly necessary ....

[igorka357]

Well, how do you know that they are torturing in the Security Service of Ukraine, but not in the FSB, we have that the FSB officers are mugs, they won’t find it, to think of gutting the truth out of the detainee?

[raw174]

Quote: ZakPo

What is the likelihood of torture at the hands of the FSB in this situation?

Very likely. There are measures to pull information out there ...

[Slavs]

Ravil, do not compare the captivity in the Donbass and the SBU with the detention of the FSB FS .... Caught?

[igorka357]

You must have been there and there .. please enlighten?

[raw174]

Quote: Slavs

Ravil, do not compare the captivity in the Donbass and the SBU with the detention of the FSB FS .... Caught?

No, I didn’t catch it ...

[loginovich]

Quote: Free man

But how detained SBU officers who were on board behave during interrogation is more interesting to me.

Quote: Free man

But how detained SBU officers who were on board behave during interrogation is more interesting to me.

I can assume that no less worthy as Alexandrov and Erofeev
in my time

[Skifotavr]

Quote: loginovich

I can assume that no less worthy as Alexandrov and Erofeev
in my time

But unlike Aleksandrov and Yerofeyev, no one tortured them or mocked them.

[Slavs]

Less worthy, knowingly knowing that they will feed and will be released soon for the exchange, and their hands and feet will be whole ... Do not align ....

[Sergey Kiryushin]

How do you imagine "boldly NOT to go out to sea ..."? The sailors were obliged to obey the order of the command. Therefore, there can be no question of courage and audacity. Courage and audacity - we can talk about volunteers, but not about career soldiers who are obliged to follow orders.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Free man

How sailors behave during interrogation is not particularly interesting. They had the courage and audacity to go to sea on this adventure, let's be objective.

What courage is boldness? They were sent as rams for slaughter. And they were also lucky that they were alive and they were glad for this, which is evident from their testimonies

[Vend]

Quote: Free man

How sailors behave during interrogation is not particularly interesting. They had the courage and audacity to go to sea on this adventure, let's be objective. .

Objectively, this is an order in the army. For not fulfilling the order of the tribunal. They sent the most stubborn so that they would not run across to the Russian side during the capture of Ukrainian ships by Russia. They expect that they will be returned to the territory of Ukraine, where they will be heroes. Here are the objective facts. The question is what to do with these fly agarics further?

[mavrus]

Heroes? So, it seems, Svidomo already accuse them of having lowered the Ukrainian flags, but did not open fire ... and infa passes that one of the three was wounded by his own commander for disobeying ... So, here are either heroes or dungeons of the Security Service of Ukraine .

[Vend]

Quote: mavrus

Heroes? So, it seems, Svidomo already accuse them of having lowered the Ukrainian flags, but did not open fire ... and infa passes that one of the three was wounded by his own commander for disobeying ... So, here are either heroes or dungeons of the Security Service of Ukraine .

I think they were promised this when sending, although I could be wrong. Maybe they just paid well.

[Foxmara]

why pay those who have already been buried? probably counted on a one-way ticket.

[akunin]

Quote: Wend

The question is what to do with these fly agarics further?

to plant, plant and for longer - the state border has been violated, the helicopter pilot Nadya has already been released, and these are in Zindan with a show trial (like Powers)

[Piramidon]

Quote: Free man

They had the courage and audacity to go to sea on this adventure, let's be objective.

I doubt that when leaving Odessa the crews were immediately informed that they had to violate the border of a neighboring state. The task, most likely, was set on the usual Odessa-Mariupol crossing.

[cultural post]

You yourself watched / read the interrogation? The ship staff was simply ordered to go to sea and that's it. (if they are not lying) Then instructions began to come in as to how and where to enter, without general instructions on provocation. What are the "courage and audacity"? They are rather hostages of the Kiev regime, like the people in Ukraine who were caught by military enlistment offices for the civil war, obliging them by law and "non-betrayal of the old." They send "heroes" like dogs to tanks, with the expectation that every person, even cowardly, dumb or brave, wants to live, and will somehow turn around, survive. And the concept of an oath, like everything else in modern Ukraine under this regime, is a kind of cosplay with dressing up. And this not only concerns the military, but everything else, from doctors to prosecutors, judges, lawyers, even Nazis, in which only animal hatred is in common with the Nazis of the past, and in everything else, as regards statehood, philosophy and culture in general - such a kind of cargo cult, a farmer with stripes, a steppe with a red folder, etc.
Although, of course, the big people still remained in some form.

[NF68]

Quote: Free man

They had the courage and audacity to go to sea on this adventure, let's be objective.

Who asked them at all, and where is the courage if the Ukrainian sailors acted in accordance with the order received?

[stalki]

How sailors behave during interrogation is not particularly interesting. They had the courage and audacity to go to sea on this adventure, let's be objective.

They seemed to have a choice, about courage and insolence can be silent.

[businessv]

Quote: Free man

They had the courage and audacity to go to sea on this adventure, let's be objective.

A colleague, I would call courage and insolence a refusal to fulfill a criminal order in the Armed Forces of Independent States, therefore, we have different opinions on this matter, but the fact that the crews of the violators remained alive is good, our military did not bring grief to their families!

[zenion]

The Russian navigation system, on purpose, gave incorrect data on their location and they thought that they were in the middle of the Bermut's triangle, they needed to quickly turn west so that the kraken would not eat them.

[Corsair0304]

It would be strange if the Ukrainian sailor, after the incident, expressed himself smoothly, fluently and majestically. The military is generally not prone to complex text. I wonder how he will be received in the "Square" after all that has been said, if suddenly ours will exchange him for the sailors of the "Nord"?

[SSR]

Quote: Corsair0304

I wonder how he will be received in the "Square" after all that has been said, if suddenly ours will exchange him for the sailors of the "Nord"?

Do not kick hard, but it seems to me that those sailors who want to stay in the Russian Federation and ask for asylum should be given it.
Let it be an example for other soldiers and sailors and even for Western curators less space for slops.
Convict and other rabid, condemn and exchange for ours.

[210ox]

No one will be left. There are relatives, housing. Who needs them here? With brainwashed, BEGGARS.

[Machito]

Spiritually poor. They all squandered. And their former colleagues now serve in the Russian Navy and live a different life in their own country.

[Conrad]

Quote: Bearded

And their former colleagues now serve in the Russian Navy and live a different life in their own country.

Well, these are only those who had a residence permit in the Crimea until 16.03.14. The one who served in Ukraine, even if they are Crimeans, and immediately after the referendum they left the army, and arrived home no chance to serve in the Russian Navy or the Russian Army, or even just get citizenship somehow faster than an ordinary migrant. From the word in general. So you have to serve the enemies - they at least feed, although they can send them for slaughter. But after all, not all, and a person hopes for the best. And having left the Army of Ukraine and arrived, for example, in Russia, you need to start life from scratch. given that the military, as a rule, does not have a civilian profession, and in old age getting its problem is the easiest way to the social bottom, and in extreme cases, starvation. And if there is still a family, then write everything is gone, just an extreme case!

[NF68]

Quote: SSR

Do not kick hard, but it seems to me that those sailors who want to stay in the Russian Federation and ask for asylum should be given it.

So there can be very, very many people who wish to seek asylum in the Russian Federation, and the Ukrainian authorities are doing everything for this.

[Slavs]

It’s necessary to give, but only families there, most likely ... SBU, there is PS and all sorts of different things ...

[NF68]

Quote: Slavs

It’s necessary to give, but only families there, most likely ... SBU, there is PS and all sorts of different things ...

And how many among these refugees will there be Cossacks?

[bistrov.]

Quote: Corsair0304

if suddenly ours will exchange him for the sailors of the "Nord"?

As far as is known, the crew of the "Nord" has been at home for a long time, except for one man-captain, to whom the ukrovlast is trying to "sew" a criminal case.

[Kapkan]

It makes sense to discuss the fact that they read a piece of paper?
The FSB printed the text in chronological order, gave them a look and asked - do you agree with the above? They answered yes!
They were asked - are you ready to read it on camera? The answer is yes!
That's all.
I am sure that nobody attributed anything superfluous to them because the facts are enough. Secondly, they don’t even have a single Fingal fit.

[Sands Careers General]

they don’t even have a single Fingal fit on their faces.

What for? There are many ways to cause wild pain that do not leave marks on the body.

[Kapkan]

There are many ways to inflict wild pain.

On their faces it’s not that the pain is not visible, but there is happiness that everything ended, they allowed the toilet to go normal, and in general it was all over.
In principle, I agree with the psychologist of Ukraine.

[Slavs]

You forgive the non-certified psychologist-psychic, but traces of pain remain in the eyes .... But these are not observed ...

[Olezhek]

Secondly, they don't even have a single fagot on their faces.

In principle, the "normal" attitude towards the so-called "Ukrainian servicemen" from the "flying squadron" is absolutely incomprehensible
In fact, on the other side no one was playing and was not going to play.
Therefore, the only "normal" option for dealing with these would-be aggressors is roughly as with recidivist criminals.
Some kind of gentlemanhood is inappropriate here in principle
It treats both fascists. Point.

Did they go to Russian waters because they were afraid of the SBU?
It is necessary to make so that the FSB they were afraid of an order of magnitude more.
"Otherwise, I will organize such a life for you - death will seem like candy ..." V. Pikul

[Corsair0304]

Quote: Free man

They had the courage and the audacity to go to sea on this adventure

It's not about courage and audacity. The point is the order, which, as you know, is not being discussed, but executed. Yes, and judging by the panicky screams on the air "Mayday, I give the coordinates" there is no special impudence there.

[Rippi]

Judging by the screams on the air, IMHO yelled there for outside listeners: they were called an unarmed schooner in neutral waters. "I don't believe" (c) Stanislavsky

[pomegranate]

Well, the first video shows with the naked eye that he is reading!

[Kapkan]

So, what is next?

[Skarpzd]

and what does it mean? that literacy is trained? had the right to refuse to appeal to the camera.

[Evil543]

Well, it’s necessary to discuss not how it reads, but negotiations when they asked for help. There was a hysteria and not understanding what was happening at that moment, in short panic

[Tersky]

Quote: pomegranate

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Well, the first video shows with the naked eye that he is reading!

And if you arm the eye, it turns out that he "sings"

[Slavs]

Yeah !! Conveniently, according to the notes, and even folk verses !! )))

[Mr Credo]

And what is fuss about? They clearly love Ukraine but are not ready to die for it. You can certainly blame them for this. But are its leaders ready to die for Ukraine? I strongly doubt it. Here to run away at the very first outlook, yes. They will run away. And die !? If they die, then who will love her !? And speaking of the psychology of prisoners, all of Ukraine has such a psychology! Islamists will come, they will love them. The Nazis will come, already loved. Russian will come, so we are relatives!

[Olezhek]

And what about fuss? They obviously love Ukraine but are not ready to die for it.

And if you force?

[Mr Credo]

So they were already ordered to go die! After all, they turned away! Surrendered!

[prior]

Ukrainian sailors deliberately went on a provocation.
By the kindness of the Russian soul, they should simply be put on a stake.
We are not animals to dismember, like some ...

[Altona]

Quote: prior

Ukrainian sailors deliberately went on a provocation.

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Judging by the radio, they cried, but walked.

[cniza]

Like those mice and cactus.

[Tersky]

Quote: prior

By the kindness of the Russian soul, they should simply be put on a stake.

That is, judging by your desire, this is the kindness of the Russian soul? Here the question arises- Are you Russian yourself?

[Olezhek]

That is, in this, judging by your wishes, lies the goodness of the Russian soul?

And we stretched the hook to him ... stretched out and he never grasped ...

[Grigory_78]

A Russian person is characterized by the fact that he loves not the law, but justice. Justice is different. Forgiveness and "turn the other cheek" - from a completely different opera, from the Jews. Justice may require that they be impaled, quartered, hanged, and whatnot. After the restoration of justice and at the table together you can. If the culprit is more or less alive and well after the restoration of justice. Something like this. In this case, it will be too much to stake. This is who is shelling hospital schools in the Donbass - quite. Those who know perfectly well where they are shooting. It will be just right.

[Nychego]

Judging by the content of the "psychologist's" commentary, he is not a psychologist at all, but an ordinary propagandist.
You need to work harder if you are trying to imitate an unfamiliar occupation.

[Non liberoid Russian]

often communicate with psychologists, have experience?))))

[Skarpzd]

my cousin is a police lieutenant colonel. At one time she graduated from the Pedagogical Institute and worked in educational institutions on educational work. in parallel received education with a bias in child psychology. later went to the police. by profile. worked with minors. then she was lucky. invited to the traffic police. so I actually what, in her words psychology - 90 percent quackery.

[JD1979]

so I actually what, in her words psychology - 90 percent quackery.

Well, yes, if you can’t learn something normally, it’s easier to say that this is such garbage. You have not seen the work of good specialists.

[Skarpzd]

saw the consequences of this work.

[Awaz]

Well, that means she’s like this ... she doesn’t understand anything at all ... A good, high-quality psychologist can handle almost any stranger. If he owns some information about him, then he can squeeze anything out of him.

[Skarpzd]

Have you seen a movie? or a psychologist got mixed up with a psychiatrist? wording of conclusions at least once seen? there is one water from common phrases. of course, there are pros with vast experience, but they are also hit around the finger at times.

[Nychego]

Quote: Not Liberoid Russian

often communicate with psychologists, have experience?))))

I have a lot of friends - real practicing psychologists and psychotherapists. There are even psychoanalysts who are also practicing and highly recognized. It is unlikely that any of them, except in a bad dream, would have thought to include value judgments about the political situation in another state in their commentary.

[Storog dvornik]

... I have a lot of friends - real practicing psychologists ...

All those whom you listed cannot be non-practicing doctors (from the point of view of common sense, an educated person), much less experts in science, such as psychology, psychotherapy, a psychoanalyst simply ... this is obscurantism cut in half with dusting ... with the same success can still be pulled up by psychics, parapsychologists, hereditary shamans, Orthodox elders, Baba Vanga, and the rabbi of the Russian Federation, Chumak, etc. etc ... Above the people replied - 90% SCARFUL (for me it is 98%)
There is the only science related to the human brain - psychiatry ...
Although in our bourgeois country, even such charlatans can "rip off" suckers on legal grounds by registering an individual entrepreneur and paying the USN ...

[Egoza]

But on Ukrainian TV - mothers cry, let the children go, he dreamed of being a sailor .....

[Altona]

Quote: Egoza

But on Ukrainian TV, mothers cry, let the children go, he dreamed of being a sailor ...

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Shaw, are they again? What kind of sailors are they? Arranged sobs on the radio. How did Utesov sing there? The sailor does not cry.

[cniza]

Unfortunately, they do not know who the cliffs are.

[businessv]

Quote: Egoza

But on Ukrainian TV, mothers cry, let the children go, he dreamed of being a sailor ...

Duc for that, she squeezed to spare her child! Fooling the population in action, for which all methods are good. Pity for children is especially exploited, but this is not the case!

[bald]

But there is no turning back for them - they will not be spared there, and even if our side lets go. For the bucket they are cannon fodder that has not reached its full goal.

[Olezhek]

And there is no way back for them - they will not regret it, but if our party lets go

And why should we feel sorry for them?

Do you know what is the best remedy for further provocations?
And these are shoby previous provokantov very long sought in the waves of the Black Sea ...

[bald]

Yes, I agree with two hundred, but only our first time did so, in a smart way. Those were sent, convincing them, well, and having cried, Russia is good, it will not touch it, it will only mumble, outraged by the laws. This is what needs to be done, at the expense of the elections. Oleg, yes to us at these elections, there is one muck in power, you yourself understand. Only Russia will be able to destroy this evil spirits - it would be good before the next provocation - we should begin to act - not to click with what - while this one is standing - then there will be the next one and this one will seem to be suppressed.

[Grigory_78]

Why so radical? We still have a lot of construction projects - the bridge to Sakhalin, the 503rd is not finished. The forest again must be harvested.

[Lekxnumx]

Such idiots as Kuzmuk need to be silent in a rag. They sent the guys without ammunition to break through, they broke through as best they could, stopped by fire. What else do they have to blow up themselves with grenades, for what? The country that sent them to slaughter, a losing adventure without the support of aviation and warships .If you have Kuzmuk eggs, send there warships and aviation in support, and not two more wretched boats. I would have shot the commander who gives such an order in the place of servicemen. I imagine that we have some kind of person who sets the task of a platoon "we do not give ammunition to the machine gun , your task is to run through the trenches, the trenches of the Armenians to get to Nakhichevan "" Well, there are more of them than you, armored personnel carriers, but you will reach another piece of our territory through the occupied zone, but mind you, we will not help you if you go into hand-to-hand combat with armed people "Yes, I would have shot her God giving such an order, can you give an even more idiotic order?

[Non liberoid Russian]

what warships?)))))

[Lekxnumx]

In principle, yes, the fleet isn’t normal. But you could poison what they have, they have a flagship like a watchman who was called a frigate. Is there really nothing better than boats?

[malyvalv]

That patrol that is supposedly a frigate FSE. "Saiga dacha" on "repair" and judging by the pictures from ukrosmi for life. And there is nothing more.

[Valid benchmark]

Nothing of the kind, the flagship left Odessa yesterday.

[Rippi]

As if a tugboat was going with them, so that boats could be dragged in case of something. They are river))))

[purple]

[quote = Lek3338] In principle, yes, there is no normal fleet. But you could poison what they have, they have a flagship like a watchman who was called a frigate. Is there really nothing better than boats? [\ qoute]
Well, they waited for the Azerbaijanis to show their true face, they drown for Ukrainians, and they give out advice on how best to kill a Russian

[dzvero]

can an even more idiotic order be given?

Do not promise. Wisdom in the universe, as you know, the cat cried, but about the stupidity and its derivative restrictions were not ...

[Valid benchmark]

Quote: Lek3338

. They corrected the guys to break through without ammunition, they broke through as they could, stopped by fire.

Why no ammunition? There were ammunition, but there was no desire to die. And I do not blame them.

[Lekxnumx]

I can be mistaken, but in my opinion 30 mm the guns of the boats were not armed. And with small arms at sea from the boat against the guard, it’s still a toothpick on the one with the dagger. Even if 30 mm is charged when there is aviation overhead, let the whole Black Sea Fleet be in the vicinity even the border guards, the helicopter is spinning. Is it possible to blame ordinary sailors for cowardice? I personally won’t undertake. But the command of the Ukrainian Navy should be sent further on. Decided on a gamble, act to the end, or do not disgrace. I did not follow up would, sabotage on enemy territory is one thing, reconnaissance before combat is another. But to send boats to break through the territory guarded by the whole Fleet, and then watch them being shot, rammed by superior forces sitting in the office. This is from the category of what I can never understand, a political adventure by the lives of the military, there is no other explanation. I read Ukrainian sites some accuse the sailors of cowardice that they agreed this is the stupidity of Ukrainian sailors. When an officer, sailor, soldier is not sure of his command and knows their spineless epaulettes it is better to take off in advance. Here I see no other mistake of Ukrainian sailors, cowardice and guilt.

[Valid benchmark]

Yes, I do not argue with you, I completely agree. He just specified that there was ammunition. They were not fired at with "harpoons" after all. In the history of the fleet there are many examples of "perishing but not surrendering." This is clearly not the case.

[Egoza]

Quote: Lek3338

But the command of the Ukrainian Navy

And what do you want? The Commander of the Ukrainian Navy, Voronchenko, graduated from the Tashkent Tank School !!!!! And how he turned into an admiral ..... listen, type in google, in Vika .... laugh heartily!

[Galleon]

Quote: Lek3338

Such boobies as Kuzmuk need to be silent in a rag. They directed the guys to break through without ammunition, they broke through as best they could

Do you condemn the command of the Navy for not ordering a bloody provocation? And for me, on the contrary, the mention of the lack of ammunition and that the weapons on the armored vehicles were pointed vertically at 45 degrees (front position) suggests that on the other side someone intentionally made it clear that there would be no shooting. This position of the weapon (45g.) Is not visible in the photo and video, there it is in the traveling position, but in one of the news this mention was found.

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Galleon

Do you condemn the command of the Navy for not ordering a bloody provocation?

Blood was already shed, however, in vain because of the command of the Navy, the blood of the guys sent for slaughter in advance was shed. I accuse the Navy of political motivation for actions threatening the life of the military and cowardice. Or do it to the end or don’t do it, everything ingenious is simple.

[Olezhek]

The blood was spilled anyway, but in vain through the fault of the command of the Naval Forces Command, the blood of the children sent in advance for slaughter was shed

Will we cry for the "heroes" of the Waffen SS too?
They, too, were sent for slaughter?

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Olezhek

Will we cry for the "heroes" of the Waffen SS too?
They, too, were sent for slaughter?

It’s possible to cry on death row of ISIS, why go far into the wilds of history?
I look at the situation from a neutral point of view, sorry I don’t watch Russian TV. And therefore I do not consider all Ukrainians and their military fascists.

[Olezhek]

I look at the situation from a neutral point of view.

And in relation to Natsik neutrality possible?

Who is this?

And this?

On those who burned Khatyn, you also look neutral?

[Mimoprohodil]

Quote: Olezhek

Who is this?

photoshoppers

[Olezhek]

excuse me, I don’t watch Russian TV

And rightly so.
This is NOT the fascists!

And therefore I do not consider all Ukrainians and their military fascists.

Just people with weapons and swastikas ...

[Lekxnumx]

Well, it's funny, you can find such pictures about Russia. How can I explain it so clearly? If I know ONE only ONE Ukrainian not a fascist, normal. And I know this, NOBODY will force or convince me to use the phrase "Ukrainians are fascists." such loud statements about any nation cleanse our faces. Two street rules "never generalize, especially in relation to nations" "Never do an act and do not say another word that you would not tolerate in relation to yourself, otherwise ... you will "I'm tired of everything, I can't, owing to my debt, enter into meaningless polemics. I have no patience, to chew and put in my mouth every thought and desire.

[Olezhek]

Well, funny, such pictures can be found about Russia

Find. If you answer for the words.

.And I will not associate Ukraine as a fascist. This is a "flaw" of my upbringing in an international city. For such loud statements about any nation, they clean their faces

So you say that you are a decent and international person?
So?
How do you feel about Odessa Khatyn?
By the way, will you sound the "international chorod"?

I'm tired of everything, I can’t go into meaningless polemics to enter. There is no patience

This is bad. Need to train. Perfect yourself

[Mimoprohodil]

Quote: Olezhek

Find. If you answer for the words.

Russian march google

... Although it may be a game "show where the sun is") https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201605181419-28h7.htm

[Olezhek]

Russian march google

did they answer you?

I am certainly very sorry, however:
Russia has radical groups.
It is so.
As in Germany, USA, Sweden ...
In any democratic country.
Freedom has a negative side.
But
The difference is how power structures treat neo-nazi.
In Russia, they are marginalized and have no links with the current government.
In Ukraine, neo-Nazi is power.

Feel the difference?
Or explain?

Well, they didn’t understand, I explain in Polecians: in modern Germany we have neo-Nazis
They are, but they are nobody.
In Germany, they were the authority of Hitler.
Now you understand?

Those. difference between Russia and Ukraine - like between Germany -2018
and Germany- 1938.

So it goes.

[sdc_alex]

Quote: Mimoprohodil

Russian march google

Something I do not see in this formation, in your photo, old people, women and children .... but in Ukrainian photos there are a lot of them (this is about an innocent people). In addition, we have all these "Russian marches" banned for a long time and you can get an article for this, from the Ukrainians - NO (and even encouraged and supported).

Walking by - pass by!

[Mimoprohodil]

Quote: sdc_alex

In addition, all these "Russian marches" have been banned for a long time.

He even this year was https://ria.ru/society/20181104/1532115759.html

Quote: sdc_alex

Something I do not see in this system, in your photo, old people, women and children ....

Who's not there

And then such schoolchildren are so excused

In the TFR in the Rostov region, they talked about the results of the check in relation to the photo on which the allegedly "zigging" teenagers were captured. So, as the department’s press service told the Zvezda website, the picture was taken during the game “Show me where the sun is”.

“In the photo they are shown during the game“ Show where the sun is ”, the meaning of which is that any person from the company suddenly has to shout:“ Show where the sun is! ” - and the rest - to quickly show where the sun is, ”said Galina Gagalaeva, senior assistant of the RF SUSK in the Rostov region for interaction with the media.

[Olezhek]

Who's not there

Pozaluysta - foty for this year with torches and swastikas ....

[Mimoprohodil]

[quote = Olezhek] Please - foty this year with torches and swastikas. [/ Quote] And in your photo there are some torches without a swastika.
Initially, you just needed a photo. [Quote = Olezhek] [quote] Find. If you answer for the words [/ quote]

[Olezhek]

Initially, you just needed a photo.

I am
Photos of the Nazi procession, supported and organized by the authorities ...
In Ukraine - pliz, In the Baltics - pozaluysta.

But Russia is a civilized country - unlike some.

[Olezhek]

Who's not there

For particularly slow-witted ones - on a photo robot with an icon.

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Olezhek

Find. If you answer for the words.

answered you? And I WILL NOT improve in the evidence of denigrating or exalting this or that nation. For a priori, I consider such time-spending foolishness.

[purple]

Quote: Lek3338

And I WILL NOT improve in the evidence of denigrating or exalting this or that nation. For a priori, I consider such time-spending foolishness.

Come on ... but what about the Azerbaijanis and the Armenians?

[purple]

Yes, it’s not funny. You just lagged behind life ... you live in the past when everyone was a brother to each other ... Now everything has changed radically, And yes Ukrainians have become fascists in the bulk, not all of course, 100% does not happen. But the bulk of the fascists.

[Fayter]

Strange, among my friends there is no one whom you call fascists.
So maybe you from Troll mattresses inciting ethnic hatred?

[businessv]

Quote: purple

not all of course, 100% does not happen. But the bulk of the fascists.

You are mistaken, colleague! In total - only 2%! Read the statistics! But just this is enough to manage the remaining 98%, unfortunately! Expressing your language, babosiks rule the world, which is why it seems to you that there are more fascists.

[purple]

Quote: Lek3338

It’s possible to cry on death row of ISIS, why go far into the wilds of history?
I look at the situation from a neutral point of view, sorry I don’t watch Russian TV. And therefore I do not consider all Ukrainians and their military fascists.

But advice on how best to make a provocation in which the Russians can die is distributed, nevertheless ... i.e. put themselves in the place of the Ukrainian commander.
very interesting ... and by the way says a lot about you and Azerbaijan in particular

[businessv]

Quote: Lek3338

And therefore I do not consider all Ukrainians and their military fascists.

And no one considers Ukrainians to be fascists, but today it is the fascists who rule there, and to know this it is not necessary to watch Russian TV. If the names of the Ukrainian commanders of the SS division of Galichin and the Nakhtigal battalion are called streets and put monuments to them, is this normal in your opinion ?!

[Olezhek]

And no one considers Ukrainians fascists,

Never say never....

[businessv]

Quote: Olezhek

Never say never....

What are you talking about, colleague? Or what?

[Olezhek]

The blood was spilled anyway, but in vain because of the command of the Naval Forces Command, the blood of the guys sent in advance for slaughter was shed.

And who exactly are you? Shozy blame so respected lyuzey?

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Olezhek

And who exactly are you? Shozy blame so respected lyuzey?

I'm nobody ! Do I have the right to condemn, criticize "respected" people being ANYONE? YES !
Being NICK, I have the right to condemn any public, respected, well-known person. But whether this condemnation is objective, it can be discussed. But not with you, you should learn simple concepts of logic for a start.

[Altona]

Quote: Lek3338

I would have shot the commander who gives such an order at the place of the servants

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There, apparently, there was an orientation towards provocation or, as a plan B, towards "the feat of the Varyag", that is, "to flood the heroyski." But they are not bad, they chose an "honorable" captivity.

[Horon]

No ammunition? Listen to Ukrainian news less!

[artifact]

just read my sincere confession ...

[EvilLion]

If not completely stupid, then they should use the chance and write an application to receive polit as soon as possible. shelters.

[Non liberoid Russian]

just "Svidome myasko" does not want to become fish food, but wants to sit warm and eat three meals a day

[Zaval]

Let's start with the fact that the crews of the ships for this action were specially selected, including for political priorities. The scheme of their behavior in different scenarios of the development of events was stipulated and it seems to me very strongly that they adhere to it. In addition, it should be borne in mind that members of their families remained on the territory of Ukraine, in fact hostages, who can become both members of the “hero's” family and objects for persecution if the behavior of the detainees becomes inconvenient for the official Kiev and the crews know this.
In any case, and no matter what they say now, the provocation took place according to one of the options for which Kiev was ready. Now "Patriarch of All Ukraine Petro Chocolate" is trying to get political dividends.

[Sergey Kiryushin]

I’m not sure that something was specially selected or prepared there. At best, personal files were studied and a biography of Bandera was asked. The task was explained only to the commanders of the ships. SBU-shnikov planted for wit.

[Zaval]

Quote: Sergey Kiryushin

At best, personal files were studied and asked for a biography of Bandera

They also asked "Whose Crimea?", "Are you ready to fight the Moskols?", "Did you ride on the Maidan or in front of the TV?" Other possibilities for training l / s, in the Armed Forces where the greeting of fascist accomplices and nationalists became the official greeting, is known only in theory. And they have time pressure.

[rotmistr60]

They give evidence that is necessary first of all to the investigation and perfectly. They are really glad at heart that everything ended too well for them and only now perhaps they began to realize what kind of adventure the leadership had dragged them into. Regarding the testimony of the SBU employees, what is written in the comments - firstly, it passes through another agency and will probably not be announced. Secondly, the position is not lower than the senior opera, perhaps the deputy of the department therefore there is also the opportunity to learn a lot of interesting things.

[cniza]

There is a lot of murky water there, but I hope that everything will be used to fully show the true identity that gave the order.

[Ural resident]

On the first video you can see that he is reading the text, most likely he also signed the protocol. Therefore, it seems that the text is prepared.

[igorbrsv]

Judging by the video, I didn’t notice something from any of the interrogated fears, as some write. Apparently there were clear instructions in case of detention. So the task set by him is completed. The fact that they read on paper only says that they have taken evidence and read to the camera.

[sdc_alex]

To go nuts, comrades, we now feel the dill warriors already ?????
Let us pity those banderlogs who are shelling the Donbass, they, the poor fellow, have also been ordered to do it and they are obliged to fulfill it ... you can also regret the Nazi Wehrmacht soldiers who were also following the order ..... did you really go crazy ?? ?

Take pity on these "poor fellows carrying out the order":


VO commentators have completely slipped into some sort of liberal garbage dump ... recently, it has become more and more nasty and nastier to read comments here.

[Fayter]

Therefore, before sending them home, send them to Donbass hospitals for six months to look after the wounded.

[businessv]

Quote: sdc_alex

VO commentators have completely slipped into some sort of liberal garbage dump ... recently, it has become more and more nasty and nastier to read comments here.

So don't read it, colleague! Nobody forces you by force, but there is no need to offend us, there are many of us who fought here! First, think about the situevina, if your family remains hostage, and you are sent to carry out a "special operation", what are your actions, colleague? The situation is far from unambiguous, everyone can see that this is a provocation, which led to the result for which it was intended, so wave your saber where you are used to - in your trash heap! And you shouldn't count all indiscriminately as liberals!

[rocket757]

Well yes, the kamikaze is not there.
But it’s not so, only from sofas you can call to go on ramming / boarding .... when cold water splashes overboard, all the sofa impulses are somehow forgotten and the hand itself reaches for a life buoy!

[Bare]

Do not scoff at the fighters, forced birds. Who has served knows what an order is. They appointed kamikaze, which means kamikaze. Speak oath? They swore allegiance to the people, not to this bastard.
The demise of this ram is near.


This is just in case who runs the country.

[Ros 56]

They are glad to death that they survived. (I apologize for the pun) After all, they were essentially sent to death. Just one question, why die? For these tricks from the top of the power of banderlog? So they have everything in order, there are alternate airfields and accounts abroad, and they don’t give a damn about the rest, including these sailors. So they will have a lot of time to think about themselves and their commanders and bosses.

[Kukuruzka]

Better comment on the clearly "stoned" captain of the Russian ship. Who shouted commands too chaotic!

[businessv]

Quote: Kukuruzka

Better comment on the clearly "stoned" captain of the Russian ship

Comment, colleague: You have never commanded people during a military operation!

[Nonna]

Quote: SSR

Quote: Corsair0304

I wonder how he will be received in the "Square" after all that has been said, if suddenly ours will exchange him for the sailors of the "Nord"?

Do not kick hard, but it seems to me that those sailors who want to stay in the Russian Federation and ask for asylum should be given it.
Let it be an example for other soldiers and sailors and even for Western curators less space for slops.
Convict and other rabid, condemn and exchange for ours.

Why should a frostbitten Bandera spawn give shelter. They knew quite well what they would do. When they went to serve, they would kill "Muscovites." This unreasonable Ukrainian calls the ships Russian, not Russian. His gray matter has long been washed away - kill the Russians and you will be Ukrainian. These are enemies and in an amicable way - to shoot and the whole short-lived.

[purple]

Quote: Nonna

Why should a frostbitten Bandera spawn give shelter. They knew quite well what they would do. When they went to serve, they would kill "Muscovites." This unreasonable Ukrainian calls the ships Russian, not Russian.

Yes, I will keep ... Another example of Ukrainian fascism ...

[Nonna]

Quote: sdc_alex

VO commentators have completely slipped into some sort of liberal garbage dump ... recently, it has become more and more nasty and nastier to read comments here.

Yes, not liberals here, but just sofa hamsters. Relaxed, popcorn chewing at the monitor. And what not to regret the enemy - it’s not the ukronatsiks who were going to shoot at them, but into the border guards. I do not mind this Svidomo trash - all these animals can not be redone. They are happy to kill people in the Donbass and therefore they only - death

[Peter Tsar]

It’s not strange that they read the text, as this is a protocol of interrogation. And accurately transmitting information in your own words in a stressful situation is not very simple. Who reported to the authorities for serious shoals I think I will understand what I mean.

[23424636]

Kuzmuk is still that clown, especially after the shooting of the Russian airliner with passengers aboard the S-200 complex, which was always shot at Sary-Shagan., But this tanker decided to shoot over the water area where there are a lot of ships and air and sea. And now he is puffing about military duty. It’s better to get a truck from T-64 to your colleague, tanker Voronchenko, the commander of the Navy, so that he wouldn’t arrange provocations.

[lukewarm]

An incomprehensible "war" is unknown for what for 5 years (neither war nor peace) - this is the behavior. "Heroive Nam". It is more difficult to be a hero in captivity, I think, than in battle, among our own. For objectivity's sake (NOT protecting these Moremans and not denigrating ours) - in 2014 our lost paratroopers did not look like eagles either. And can we remember amerovskih "sea animals" crying with paws behind their heads, when the Iranians took them? It is difficult to be a hero in captivity, where you are confused, everything is against you. Okay, when they are fighting for the Motherland, as in the Great Patriotic War, the brighter and more noticeable the stamina and courage of those whom we know, who died in captivity as a hero.

[Elephant]

Why is it written - "behaving cowardly"? In my opinion, the servicemen realize that they were simply framed. In addition, the Ukrainian oath says to defend the people of Ukraine, not the pro-fascist junta headed by Porosenko. By the way, the detained Ukrainian warriors need to show the attitude of the population to the belonging of the Crimea, for this they lead the streets of the Crimean cities and let them personally learn a lot about themselves ...

[Good mat]

It was them who were taken prisoner by the Russian troops, that for the "provocateurs by captivity" there is practically a kindergarten and here, for "show off" in front of the entire "world community", they are given the most correct and gentle attitude, they know this, and in many respects the behavior of captured Ukrainians is conditioned by this .... once again do not irritate and bend the line: - "And what am I?! I have discharged the order ...", they were not taken prisoner by the "separatists" of the DNR, there would have been "songs" others would have sung and "hero "turned off completely - a completely different glow there. And here it is possible to "make fun" manenko ...

[Anchonsha]

Yes, these guys showed up correctly in the current gutted game. They instinctively understood even when their commanders were sent to certain death in the strait for clearly anti-people gutted interest. All Ukrainians understand that Crimea completely and never belonged to them, that the authorities led Ukraine to a standstill, but silently and surprisingly without resistance they tolerate all this gutted abomination because of hopelessness

[Ivan Ivanov]

This cowardice may well be a Cossack trick, how many times in the Donbass they played up the scene "I'm a cook, I'm a driver, I didn't know, please brothers, never again", etc., they were fed, they were dressed, they were sent with God to their mother, and after half a year again in the DPR shone, nationalism is an infectious and poisonous thing, it leaves the head with difficulty, and they have been treated there for a long time.

[purple]

only where are the Cossacks?
Why do you offend the Cossacks ... I would directly write a fascist trick

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

And would you be captured if you screamed that you are a sniper and dozens of those killed on your account ?! )))

[Topol M]

What didn’t they write here, of any dregs, as a missile officer, I can say that we must first fulfill the order and then appeal it. What, in due time after receiving the order to launch the missiles, I had to think to fulfill or not to fulfill, I would turn the keys with operator giving the command "Attention, input!" and tryndets of England. So let the commands, boats and rubbish confiscate as a trophy. And let them jump as much as you like

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Not to omit, but to exchange everyone for everyone, they have about 15 of our ships there, including NORD with the captain ...

[LIP]

Remember Stalin. "I am not changing a soldier for a general." And it was about his son. And there is nothing to deal with soul forgiveness. A thief should sit in jail. And let them sit so that others are discouraged. And then they will like to exchange and completely sit on their heads. And everything that the Ukrainians grabbed, they will give back as cute ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

No need to brand the cowards of Ukrainian sailors and poison them ...

More than sure, none of them sees the enemy in Russia enough to die attacking the Russian PSKRs, while the rest of Ukraine is successfully trading with Russia as much as it can and making good money on it, and Poroshenko for 5 days of rest spends more than the entire fleet of Ukraine is worth today ...

[purple]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

More than sure, none of them sees the enemy in Russia so much as to die dying on the attack on the Russian PSKRs,

Well, look at the speeches of the commanders of these ships .... the network is full of them ... the Heroes were on camera ... but how did it come about themselves into "mosquitoes"

[populowandrei]

So you don’t need to rock the boat, maybe you can finally use your head not only for eating. If, as you write, they do not see the enemy in Russia, why then provoke? You must answer for actions.

[pilip]

warriors from Ukrainians, like a bullet from shit ...

[RABIT102]

But now we need to do this, invite and take all the relatives of the servicemen to Russia. Persuade, bribe ourselves to accept citizenship, a hut in the Crimea, continue serving in the Army-Navy at will. Then, after settling down, you can send to Kolyma-Kamchatka a distant garrison ... It would be nice if these, “brave secessionists,” stupidly merged the petunia and the company, including from the west. Indeed, in fact, all their attempts to escalate the situation would have come to naught immediately. And still a greater number of castrolegol sparks may have flickered understanding. From this it would be a strong move. It seems like the enemies, but they didn’t sink the obvious violators, but they also warmed and fed.!)

[Igas]

How could they have not yet referred to the fact that they simply did not understand what the Russian border guards demanded of them. Commands were given to them in Russian, but they only "understand the move" ... and they forgot to bring an interpreter with them!))))))) SBU officers have been screwed !!!!

[populowandrei]

This is Petin's consumable. To keep himself in power, he will destroy any number of Ukrainians, as he did in the South-East. Well, let the parents of these sailors say thanks for saving their children’s lives. Maybe now at least some pots will fly off Ukrainian heads. Or in the future, again rock the boat and die fools.

[LIP]

Terry terriers to three terriers ... As in the old song: "I lost the war. I lost half a leg, but I was glad to tears that I remained alive!" And this is the main point. Our border guards took pity on the forced Ukrainian soldiers. And they did the right thing. Let them now sip the prison gruel. For being alive. And orders are not discussed. They were told - fas! And what to do? On the shoulders are shoulder straps, oath and duty.

[dobryKot petersciy]

What memorized text? He reads, runs his eyes through the text.

[LeonidL]

A comfortable guardhouse in Kerch is better than a grave decorated with European lace panties in Kiev!

[Stoler]

The biggest punishment for these "" Varangians "" send them back to Slava Ukraine There they will long remember the Russian "captivity" with longing sorry for their boobs.

[vovka]

Memorized text. Could their FSB officers better prepare?

[Vasilij Pereira]

What has the FSB to do with it? They voiced "homework"!

[Victorio]

I am glad that the Ukrainian sailors did not shoot, which once again confirms that people do not want to fight and die for Kiev’s power.

[ilik54]

Yes, here, and without psychologists, everything is clear, like God's day. The motivation of ukro-Bandera’s heroes left much to be desired from the very beginning of this bedlam. And, in general, the so-called ideology of ukro-Bandera, independence and lack of solidity has one cardinal flaw, it is not based on a constructive beginning, but on hatred and betrayal of everything Russian, and this is very contradictory when you think in Russian and speak Russian , which in itself is already an ordinary idiocy, hence the lack of motivated behavior. Such, you know, the deviant behavior of total betrayal and lies.

[ppgt90]

I looked through the comments and I want to say the following. These so-called military men from Ukraine knew perfectly well where and what they were going to. I do not want to pity them, and such pity is not deserved. Shit, so get it in full. Our border guards chased them, but did not use weapons, although they had every right and not only to use weapons, but to destroy ships with a crew. Here svidomye and decided that they were lucky, since they didn't shoot right away, so they won't. And then you suddenly have broads on you. And that's it, just hands up the hill. And the fact that the "ideological and persistent" were selected for this provocation is not even a question. The Ukrainian Nazis smash the enemy, and before the battle they do it in ..., well, you understand what and where. To compare these warriors with the heroes of the Second World War, well, it's just a crime. In those war years, the people showed simply miracles of courage and heroism. Moreover, this manifestation was massive. Yes, there were cowards and traitors, and the number of renegades was not small enough, but still, against the background of national heroism, this burp of the SOVIET PEOPLE was simply incommensurably small. I have no pity or understanding for our non-brothers. No and never will be. Like many others, I have relatives in Ukraine, but this does not diminish their responsibility and guilt for shouting: "Moskalyaku to Gilyaka." Does this mean my relatives decided that they have the right to hang me? Well, no guys, here let's every man for himself. I do not accept the principle of non-resistance to evil by violence, I do not accept it at all. I will repay every evil a hundredfold so that even the great-great-great generations will remember the Russian proverb. Khokhol, don't wake the Russian dashing while it is quiet. And then there will be no place to run, and will you have time?

[av58]

All Ukrainian sailors briskly, and with obvious relief, spoke in pure Russian

[iouris]

An interesting commentary by a military psychologist regarding the "fathers-commanders", who actually sent the lads to death purely for provocation, and also what these lads hoped for. Why were they so sure that everything would end relatively well?

[Petya Pyatochkin]

They’ll also be awarded medals later as heroes, 95% sure