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At this hour: "They lowered their flags, this is a shame for Ukraine"

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In the evening section “At this hour” we present news analysis of the main events of the day. Today, all events revolve around the topic of Ukrainian provocation in violation of the Russian state border on the Black Sea.


Recall that the Ukrainian artillery armored carriers “Berdyansk” and “Nikopol” together with the Yany Kapu roadstead tug and the sailors were arrested by Russian border guards and taken to the port of Kerch. In the same Crimean city, medical assistance was provided to wounded Ukrainian sailors. They were injured during the forced opening of fire from the ship of the FSB of Russia Border Guard, as they did not respond to the Russian side’s demands to stop and stop the dangerous maneuvering in the territorial waters of the Russian Federation.


Ukrainian boats and tow without flags of Naval Forces of Ukraine in Kerch


As they were already joking on the net, Poroshenko keeps his word: he promised that the Ukrainian ships would stand in the Crimea, and that’s what they stand for ...

Russia sent a note of protest to the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry in connection with the apparent provocation of the Ukrainian Navy, initiated by the Ukrainian authorities. Earlier, the temporary charge d'affaires of Ukraine in the Russian Federation R.Nimchinsky was called to the building on Smolenskaya Square in Moscow. He was declared a "strong protest" in connection with the actions of the crews of the Ukrainian ships in the Black Sea.

From the statement of the main foreign policy departments of the Russian Federation:
It was especially emphasized that the entire responsibility for the possible negative development of the conflict situation developing in Kiev due to the fault of the Azov-Black Sea water area lies entirely on the Ukrainian side.


It is noted that Russia will not tolerate the violation of its borders.

Against this background, the Ukrainian media cite a statement by the former Minister of Defense of Ukraine, Alexander Kuzmuk, who states that imposing martial law "is not an electoral measure." According to Kuzmuk, “the whole country should be ready to repel Russian aggression, not just the military”. Thus, the former head of the military department actually came out for general mobilization in Ukraine. In Kuzmuk asked what will change the introduction of martial law. Here is his answer:

It will not solve questions of war and peace, but the country must be shaken.


According to the ex-Minister of Defense of Ukraine, what happened in the waters of the Black Sea - shame for fleet and all Ukraine. Kuzmuk said that the Ukrainians reopened the shameful page in stories countries, watching how two armored boats of the Ukrainian Navy and the tug "surrendered to the winner" and lowered the flags. According to the former minister, the sailors did not show courage, but had to "understand that this is a war, and that you need to go to the ram if there is no ammunition."

Kuzmuk also asks a question: if the boats went without ammunition, then who gave such an order, provided that it was originally intended to pass through the water area "controlled by the enemy."

Edition "Gordon" cites the statement of Alexander Kuzmuk:
When our sailors were in trouble, surrounded by superior enemy forces, where was the support of our armed forces, where aviation, which was supposed to barrage over the water area and disperse the enemy? And now we all rushed: let's bring people home ...


Mr. Kuzmuk asks a lot of questions, and in fact all of them are primarily addressed to the Ukrainian authorities. So, the answers do not have to wait. They will not be at the meeting of the UN Security Council, which starts in 19: 00 Moscow time. Further, the notorious unsubstantiated charges against Russia, the situation, as practice shows, in the UN Security Council is not moving forward.
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VKontakte / Kerch
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  1. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 26 November 2018 19: 02
    0
    It was high time, but it would be better if they destroyed ...
    1. vkl.47
      vkl.47 26 November 2018 19: 08
      +135
      Selling two boats and a tug. Broken tug. Shit on deck. Bargaining Is Appropriate
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 26 November 2018 19: 11
        +51
        "They lowered their flags, it's a shame for Ukraine"

        But did Kuzmuk want them to lower their pants? Let the example show. yes
        1. cniza
          cniza 26 November 2018 19: 55
          +78
          Kuzmuk is still that warrior, and no one regretted the young boys except our border guards, for which we are very grateful to them.
          1. Comrade Beria
            Comrade Beria 26 November 2018 20: 00
            +18
            It is said that one of the wounded suffered from the actions of his own commander when he refused to open fire on Russian border guards.
            1. cniza
              cniza 26 November 2018 20: 07
              +8
              It is possible, but this will be a lot of speculation and tales on this now, it is not possible to check.
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 26 November 2018 20: 39
                +7
                If the nature of the wound and the caliber of the weapon are made public, then it is possible. If you shot your own, then most likely from PM.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 26 November 2018 22: 31
                  +7
                  Quote: Comrade Beria
                  It is said that one of the wounded suffered from the actions of his own commander when he refused to open fire on Russian border guards.

                  Quote: cniza
                  It is possible, but this will be a lot of speculation and tales on this now, it is not possible to check.

                  Our doctors have already reported that only three Ukrainians were injured.
                  Their injuries are slight and not bullet but SHARD.
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 26 November 2018 22: 52
                    +12
                    As already joked on the net, Poroshenko keeps his word: He promised that Ukrainian ships would stand in the Crimea, and that’s ...
                    laughing laughing laughing
                    And how beautiful Ukrainian ships are without FLAGS of Ukraine in the Crimea are! A sight for sore eyes! good

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                    3. RitaNik
                      RitaNik 26 November 2018 23: 44
                      +11
                      And it's true. They stand side by side ... Like punished dirty tricks))) Good photo.
                      1. Tatar 174
                        Tatar 174 27 November 2018 02: 48
                        +1
                        Quote: RitaNik
                        They stand side by side ...

                        Of course they will be near and meek when they received wink
                      2. Dimonovets
                        Dimonovets 27 November 2018 07: 06
                        +2
                        It was necessary to return the hohlyaks, and leave the trough, like a trophy thing, at least until the end of the investigation. And they do not need them, like monkeys with a grenade eibogu.
                    4. Aleksandr67
                      Aleksandr67 27 November 2018 01: 48
                      +6
                      They stand beautifully, but it would be better to attach them to a useful business. To protect the Crimean bridge boats, and to patch up the tug in the port of Kerch, he will find something to do. winked
                    5. Ushly_bashkort
                      Ushly_bashkort 27 November 2018 07: 27
                      +2
                      0__o, the roots and tops have already been set in! laughing
                  2. musorg
                    musorg 27 November 2018 12: 05
                    0
                    And what about the fragmentation?
                    1. ppgt90
                      ppgt90 27 November 2018 22: 57
                      +2
                      Yes, they fired from the PM, and the armor was all in shrapnel and exploded, so there are shrapnel wounds. This is the "armor" of boats from Ukraine. Collected on ferrous metal.
              2. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 26 November 2018 21: 19
                +11
                Quote: cniza
                It is possible, but this will be a lot of speculation and tales on this now, it is not possible to check.

                If he was wounded for refusing to shoot at Russian sailors, then everything is fine with his head and being on the territory of Russia will be perceived by him as an absence from a madhouse. He himself will tell everything on camera.
                1. Runoway
                  Runoway 26 November 2018 22: 21
                  +10
                  You can tell "a lot" to the camera when relatives are on a short arm of the Nazis
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                3. Antares
                  Antares 26 November 2018 23: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  He himself will tell everything on camera.

                  shrapnel wounds for bullet wounds?
                  They were injured at the time of the Emerald attack. Fire MBAKs can open without the use of someone who suddenly refused to follow the commander's order.
                  It is strange that in general we are talking about this. All management there is concentrated in a small area. The commander can personally open fire. But by order, or arbitrarily.
            2. 79807420129
              79807420129 26 November 2018 21: 46
              +5
              Quote: Comrade Beria
              One of the wounded is said to have suffered from the actions of his own commander

              Well, the commander is still that fruit
              Among the Ukrainian soldiers detained by the special forces of the Russian FSB in the Kerch Strait was the commander of the armored boat "Berdyansk" Roman Mokryak, who earlier on the air of the Ukrainian media promised to destroy Russian ships using the "Wolf Pack" tactics.
              http://wpristav.ru/news/specnaz_fsb_skhvatil_komandira_vmsu_kotoryj_grozilsja_unichtozhat_korabli_rf/2018-11-26-23759
              hi
              where is the aviation, which was supposed to patrol the water area and disperse the enemy?

              Here is also where the Ukropskaya aviation, which should patrol, probably also want to lose a third of the Air Force? hi
              1. Antares
                Antares 26 November 2018 23: 29
                -15
                Quote: 79807420129
                This is also where the Ukropskaya aviation, which should patrol, probably also wants to lose a third of the Air Force

                what is the point to comment on emotions, if a person does not see the map ... Where is the strait and where are the aviation bases. And the main question is how * And most importantly, how can they help? Demonstration?
                Here the guns should speak good, but they spoke only from one side. The second always observes some kind of brotherly emotions and loyalty to orders.
                1. Squelcher
                  Squelcher 26 November 2018 23: 54
                  +20
                  Yes, the second brotherly people burns alive, from the artillery it hammers at the peace, well, it also jumps to the brotherly and wants to send his brother to the gilyak, she tried to arrange a drought and thirst like a "to your occupied" population, you yourself are not disgusting?
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 27 November 2018 05: 04
                    +3
                    Quote: Squelcher
                    you yourself are not disgusted?

                    Crystal then? He can't change the manual in five years - We love you, but after the annexation of what went away from Aunt Parasi, the attitude towards the Russian Federation changed fool
                2. 79807420129
                  79807420129 27 November 2018 00: 16
                  +8
                  Quote: Antares
                  Here the guns should speak good, but they spoke only from one side.

                  On the second side, they sat in the holds, they had to pick out repeat Well, about the guns, TRY.
                  Quote: Antares
                  The second always observes some kind of brotherly emotions

                  What ??? belay So in Odessa, people were burnt alive in a brotherly way, it was bombing in Donbass and now it is bombarding PEACEFUL people, good brothers, do not jump on the Maidans and the Crimea would be Ukrainian and the Donbass would work, but not fight thousands of people would be alive. It is really a pity for the young boobies, who, on the orders of your head drunk, were led to the slaughter by such commanders that he would preside forever.
          2. bubalik
            bubalik 26 November 2018 20: 04
            0
            and young boys
            ,,, what are the young?
            1. cniza
              cniza 26 November 2018 20: 09
              +3
              Everything is relative, but do you have an age list?
              1. bubalik
                bubalik 26 November 2018 20: 12
                0
                Is there an age list?


                Small armored artillery boat "Berdyansk"
                Commander - Lieutenant Roman Mokryak (1986 y.) Lead Sailor Yuri Bezyazychny (1990 Y.) Lead Sailor Andrei Artemenko (1994 Y.) Sailor Andrei Eider (1999 Y.) Lead Sailor Bogdan Golovash (1996 y.) Captain 2 rank Denis Gritsenko (1984 y.)

                Small armored artillery boat "Nikopol" Commander - senior lieutenant Bogdan Nebylytsa (1994) Senior sailor Vyacheslav Zinchenko (1998) Sailor Sergei Tsibizov (1997) Lieutenant-Commander Sergei Popov (1991) Sergeant-Major 1 article Vladistav Kostyshin (1994) Senior sailor Andrei Oprisko (1971)

                Harbor tug "Yana Kapu" Commander - petty officer 1st class Oleg Melnichuk (born in 1995) Senior sailor Mikhail Vlasyuk (born in 1984) Senior sailor Viktor Bezpalchenko (born in 1987) Senior sailor Vladimir Tereshchenko (born in 1994) D.) Sailor Evgeny Semidotsky (1998) Captain 3rd rank Vladimir Lisovoy (1984)
                1. cniza
                  cniza 26 November 2018 20: 14
                  +8
                  All of them still need to give birth to children, although they are not jerks of course, but there is also a "couple" of other green ones.
                2. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 26 November 2018 20: 43
                  +5
                  An interesting list: in tow by the commander foreman 1 articles, and his subordinate is an officer. Maybe it's like in aviation, when the commander can be a captain, and his navigator - a major?
                  1. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 26 November 2018 20: 57
                    +15
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    in tow by the commander of the foreman of the 1st article, and his subordinate is an officer

                    He is not a subordinate, but a curator from the SBU.
                    1. Lara Croft
                      Lara Croft 26 November 2018 21: 38
                      +2
                      Quote: Piramidon
                      Quote: Aviator_
                      in tow by the commander of the foreman of the 1st article, and his subordinate is an officer

                      He is not a subordinate, but a curator from the SBU.

                      Most likely from Ochakov ...
                      The Naval Special Forces Center of the Naval Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Ochakov

                      http://www.niknews.mk.ua/2014/07/03/morskie-kotiki-ukrainskij-morskoj-spetsnaz/
                      Motivated and very dangerous: Ukrainian Naval Special Forces will operate in the Sea of ​​Azov

                      https://ukraina.ru/exclusive/20180924/1021228187.html
                    2. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ 26 November 2018 22: 17
                      +3
                      Clear. Acts as a detachment detachment.
                  2. shura7782
                    shura7782 26 November 2018 21: 14
                    +3
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    Maybe it's like in aviation, when a commander can be a captain, and his navigator can be a major?

                    Anything can happen in aviation. Not only navigators are majors, but also a navigator - a lieutenant colonel with a commander - starlem in the crew.
                    1. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ 26 November 2018 22: 19
                      +3
                      Here I am talking about the same thing, but it seems that here he is either a political officer of Bandera or SBUshnik, which, however, is one and the same.
                  3. 210ox
                    210ox 26 November 2018 21: 40
                    +13
                    This is probably a cook ... With a very high level of preparation Can cook puffer fish ...
                    1. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ 26 November 2018 22: 20
                      +2
                      Here they also went for the puffer fish to the Sea of ​​Azov, but did not reach.
                    2. 72jora72
                      72jora72 27 November 2018 03: 24
                      0
                      This is probably a cook ... With a very high level of preparation Can cook puffer fish ...
                      Offset laughing Thank you for the mood lifted in the morning good
                  4. not main
                    not main 26 November 2018 23: 37
                    +5
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    An interesting list: in tow by the commander foreman 1 articles, and his subordinate is an officer. Maybe it's like in aviation, when the commander can be a captain, and his navigator - a major?

                    And "Nikopol"? Commander of the stars and in the crew of drops! We look further and in general ... "Berdyansk" commander l-nt, and in the crew cap2! The SBU officers themselves were afraid to take responsibility! They sent lieutenants, so that in case of how it turned out they would answer! And if ... then the SBU officers would have hung orders!
                3. Rzzz
                  Rzzz 26 November 2018 20: 45
                  +7
                  In the Ukrainian Navy, it looks like a personnel crisis. Tug captain is 23 years old! Damn, at this age I was only allowed to steer the steamer on my own. True, the steamer is more impressive, of course.
                4. NKT
                  NKT 27 November 2018 05: 59
                  0
                  The commander of the first boat in 32g is only a lieutenant?
          3. major147
            major147 26 November 2018 20: 13
            +22
            Quote: cniza
            Kuzmuk is still that warrior, and no one regretted the young boys except our border guards, for which we are very grateful to them.

            In vain you. It's still a jackal.
            Among the detained Ukrainian sailors were Internet "stars", the commander of the armored boat "Berdyansk" Roman Mokryak and the commander of the small armored artillery boat "Nikopol" Bogdan Nebylytsa.
            Roman Mokryak explained to the Ukrainian media the tactics of the "Wolf Pack", according to which the Ukrainian Navy will sink large Russian ships.
            “When the wolf pack attacks, the Russian ship will not be able to simultaneously hold six, five or even four targets on the front sight. This means that at least one of these armored "cubs" will reach the enemy. So now we'll see who will win, ”Mokryak said then.
            1. andrew42
              andrew42 26 November 2018 20: 33
              +8
              Why did they set up a mosquito theoretician for a pinch of tobacco? - Roman Mokryak, wolf pack tactician. Why did I remember Zigzag McCruck from "Scrooge". Well, they cut the zigzags there normally. In general, it is not clear, if, for example, Mokryak is the commander of an armored boat, an officer, then what kind of devil is the cavtorang doing there? And on the second - a special drop .. More officers decided to surrender, it seems ... Or as Bandera "political instructors"?
              1. sedoj
                sedoj 26 November 2018 21: 41
                +1
                Quote: andrew42
                Or as Bandera "political instructors"

                You yourself answered.
                1. kasatky
                  kasatky 26 November 2018 22: 38
                  +7
                  Quote: sedoj
                  Or as Bandera's "political instructors

                  Political instructors are not ideological. They allowed the crew to surrender, did not shoot themselves. Even the cyanide capsule was not bitten. They sho, against Bandera ??!
                  1. major147
                    major147 26 November 2018 22: 43
                    +4
                    Quote: kasatky
                    Quote: sedoj
                    Or as Bandera's "political instructors

                    Political instructors are not ideological. They allowed the crew to surrender, did not shoot themselves. Even the cyanide capsule was not bitten. They sho, against Bandera ??!

                    Already on TV they act with self-exposure.
                  2. ksv36
                    ksv36 26 November 2018 23: 15
                    +3
                    That ni ... Pistols and capsules before going out to sea were changed to vodka.
            2. Halado Romane
              Halado Romane 26 November 2018 21: 24
              +7
              Major147, I agree with you completely-jackal! Now they are in their true jackal place. They were told, everything on deck with raised hands! That's the only way! Otherwise, open fire to kill, that's it!
              1. major147
                major147 26 November 2018 22: 46
                +6
                Quote: Halado romance
                Major147, I agree with you completely-jackal! Now they are in their true jackal place. They were told, everything on deck with raised hands! That's the only way! Otherwise, open fire to kill, that's it!

                This is how the Iranians captured their ter. waters of a US ship with the Marines. So those, on their knees with raised hands, cried bitterly. The video, I think, can be found.
            3. spec.78
              spec.78 27 November 2018 04: 55
              0
              The surname of the captain of "Nikopol" is correct, only it must be written with a small letter wink
          4. Syroitel_nik
            Syroitel_nik 27 November 2018 09: 37
            0
            https://news.rambler.ru/world/41331090-obeschavshiy-unichtozhit-korabli-rf-popalsya-pogranichnikam/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com&updated

            Judging by the article, these "young boys" are not so harmless!
        2. Vend
          Vend 27 November 2018 09: 58
          +1
          Quote: SRC P-15
          "They lowered their flags, it's a shame for Ukraine"

          But did Kuzmuk want them to lower their pants? Let the example show. yes

          That's what Ukraine achieved with this provocation - SHAME! Bravo! A curtain!
      2. 210ox
        210ox 26 November 2018 19: 14
        +1
        Pickup or self-alloy? laughing
      3. Vita vko
        Vita vko 26 November 2018 19: 41
        +16
        Quote: vkl.47
        Selling two boats and a tug

        The Black Sea Fleet was presented with as many as 3 targets for shooting. Moreover, two of them are fast-moving and small-sized. Such unique targets, which make it possible to bring combat training as close as possible to real combat work, cannot be scattered.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 26 November 2018 20: 59
          +8
          Quote: Vita VKO
          The Black Sea Fleet was presented with as many as 3 targets for shooting.

          It's better to give them to the DNI.
          1. Grits
            Grits 27 November 2018 03: 36
            +4
            It's better to give them to the DNI.
            This will be the best thing to do. Can you imagine heaps of manure when Ukrainians find out about it? And for the DNI they will be - just that!
      4. VohaAhov
        VohaAhov 26 November 2018 20: 08
        +7
        The tug does not sink just because it is covered with cormorants and gulls shit.
        1. Rzzz
          Rzzz 26 November 2018 20: 47
          +4
          "Saturns" are generally strong ships.
      5. Bumblebee_3
        Bumblebee_3 26 November 2018 20: 34
        +1
        vkl. 47 (vkl. 47)
        Take the shit off the deck, erase the Bandera spirit, trade, maybe I'll buy it. I will show the descendants what they wanted to conquer us.
      6. VALERIK_097
        VALERIK_097 26 November 2018 20: 39
        -1
        vkl.47 (vkl.47) Today, 19:08
        Selling two boats and a tug. Broken tug. Shit on deck. Bargaining Is Appropriate
        Artyom Sheinin said before the release of "News" at 18.00, do you have your thoughts?
      7. antivirus
        antivirus 26 November 2018 21: 20
        0
        to Cambodia to resell ,,,
        or in Nicaragua ...
        for coffee and rubber
      8. SS-18 Satan
        SS-18 Satan 26 November 2018 21: 37
        +2
        (just laugh) ..
      9. Tersky
        Tersky 26 November 2018 22: 05
        +6
        Crimea news. A scrap metal collection point was opened in Kerch. We accept combat "ships" "Hryuksmarine" with crews - it's expensive. Work schedule - around the clock, seven days a week. FSB RF.
    2. stalki
      stalki 26 November 2018 19: 09
      +1
      Why do we need to get dirty about it? Let them live out.
    3. Sergey Medvedev
      Sergey Medvedev 26 November 2018 19: 21
      +28
      Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
      It was high time, but it would be better if they destroyed ...

      No, not better. Here's how they did it! Now violators of our border are exposed to criminal articles. Boats can be kept on deposit. And in anticipation of compensation for damage to our ships MCH PV. And in exchange for "Nord". In short, now they can wag their nerves in full. As they are to us with "Nord".
      1. Zubr
        Zubr 26 November 2018 19: 34
        +13
        Boats can be kept on deposit. And in anticipation of compensation for damage to our ships MCH PV. And in exchange for "Nord". In short, now they can wag their nerves in full. As they are to us with "Nord".

        And I would leave it to us to use as a trophy. Change fishing seiner? You can change, but on one condition. Remove the arrest from those 15 ships that are in Mariupol, Release all captains and crew, and first of all Captain Seiner "NORD". But first wash the "Nord" to a shine, bring the Captain there and let him go to the Crimea with fanfare. I would watch this action with Jesuit pleasure .. smile
        1. Antares
          Antares 26 November 2018 23: 32
          -2
          Quote: Zubr
          Remove the arrest from those 15 vessels in Mariupol,

          there are no 15 arrested courts in Mariupol.
          News about 15 is taken in total in all ports.
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 26 November 2018 22: 21
        +1
        Quote: Sergei Medvedev
        Now, violators of our border shine criminal articles.

        This is understandable and correct, but ... Few people think that this whole story is not only about disrupting the elections in Ukraine.
        Ask yourself, is there now Parasha’s reason to start military operations against us? Wars began also for smaller reasons.
        I mean, it’s not important for Parashe that the Russian military will roll out the APU in a week and will be in Kiev. Parasha will not be there anymore, and he will be somewhere in Washington as a government in exile.
        And at the same time to everyone, what will Europe and the USA, and indeed the whole world, say about such our response actions? Believe me, mattresses will be presented to the world as an aggressor who, through military intervention, has captured a sovereign state. And then, the sanctions that they painted all these years will seem like children's games, in comparison with what will begin. For example, the EU will definitely not conclude any agreements with the aggressor, as well as the USA. In fact, everything can get to EMBARGO for everything.
        This scenario is just one of many. But for me it is very unpleasant for Russia.
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 27 November 2018 05: 08
          +3
          Quote: NEXUS
          In fact, everything can come to EMBARGO for everything.

          Then we will introduce an embargo on LIFE for the West. Will this suit you or is it better to live on your knees than to kill while standing?
          1. victor50
            victor50 27 November 2018 17: 25
            +1
            Quote: Ruslan67
            Quote: NEXUS
            In fact, everything can come to EMBARGO for everything.

            Then we will introduce an embargo on LIFE for the West. Will this suit you or is it better to live on your knees than to kill while standing?

            In my opinion, the comrade did not at all agree to live on his knees, but was simply trying to find the meaning and purpose of this operation.
            And I think that perhaps it is the consequences of our hesitant actions in response to the capture of Nord. Well, and other indecisive ...
            I hope they will forget about our "indecision" now ?! wink
    4. edmon
      edmon 26 November 2018 19: 25
      +9
      Since when did a river-class tug become a battleship? and where was the pride of the Ukrainian Navy "Portachy Hetman" during this naval battle?
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 26 November 2018 19: 38
        -1
        Since when did a river class tug become a battleship?

        There are no battleships in service at the moment with anyone in the world.
        and where was the pride of the Ukrainian Navy "Portachy Hetman" during this naval battle?

        At this time, in general, under repair.
      2. Kent0001
        Kent0001 26 November 2018 22: 40
        0
        Hetman? It rusts at the quay wall.
        1. Antares
          Antares 26 November 2018 23: 36
          -4
          Quote: Kent0001
          Hetman? It rusts at the quay wall.

          I have slightly different information
          1. Alex Justice
            Alex Justice 27 November 2018 18: 08
            -2
            I didn't understand what she was saying.
    5. NordUral
      NordUral 26 November 2018 19: 59
      +1
      That was the calculation.
    6. private person
      private person 26 November 2018 20: 08
      +4
      And now give them new names "Crimea" and "Moscow" or something like that and send them to patrol to the border, let the dill burst out of anger. Another option to use as targets for practicing shooting.
    7. zloybond
      zloybond 26 November 2018 22: 01
      +8
      everything is said specifically: on the territory occupied by the enemy .... we are their enemy, and no fraternal squeals of the patriotic brothers are interesting here. they determined our status: Enemies.
    8. Deckofficer
      Deckofficer 26 November 2018 23: 05
      0
      It is necessary to destroy the artillery crews in the Donbass. The sailors did not seem to have distinguished themselves yet.
    9. Volga073
      Volga073 28 November 2018 12: 43
      0
      Better to hand them over to the DNI.
  2. Zubr
    Zubr 26 November 2018 19: 04
    +28
    Kuzmuk also asks a question: if the boats went without ammunition, then who gave such an order, provided that it was originally intended to pass through the water area "controlled by the enemy."

    There were ammunition and 30 mm guns were uncovered
    Only showed on TV zinc with cartridges and tapes charged to the DShK.
    We did not dare to see them svidomye put on a turret.
    They knew one extra movement and they would go to the bottom of the gobies to feed.
    1. Antares
      Antares 26 November 2018 23: 38
      -8
      Quote: Zubr
      There were ammunition and 30 mm guns were uncovered

      on Gyurza they always go without covers.
      Need an order to open fire on the attackers? For the sake of the picture and the extra trump cards of the Russian Federation .. well, hurray for the patriots .. they are always shooting pleasure. But any shooting is a victim. And Gyurza did not increase them at the expense of Emerald and other vessels.
      1. 79807420129
        79807420129 27 November 2018 00: 43
        +9
        Quote: Antares
        And Gyurza did not increase them at the expense of Emerald and other vessels.

        good good good Oh, what kind, right up to tears struck crying LIVE THAT and your officers with sbushniki want, they would drown you like kittens in a bucket, which your chief chief was counting on, but did not grow together, they simply arrested and even feed and provide medical assistance. wink
      2. purple
        purple 27 November 2018 15: 35
        0
        Quote: Antares
        on Gyurza they always go without covers.
        Need an order to open fire on the attackers? For the sake of the picture and the extra trump cards of the Russian Federation .. well, hurray for the patriots .. they are always shooting pleasure. But any shooting is a victim. And Gyurza did not increase them at the expense of Emerald and other vessels.

        Come on straight and without covers ??? laughing laughing

        He killed me ... the only question is why are you not writing on your Move?
      3. victor50
        victor50 27 November 2018 17: 33
        +1
        Quote: Antares
        Need an order to open fire on the attackers?

        It seems that without an order, only civilians can!
        They were waiting for him in Crimea, now too! And no one gives, for some reason !? Like: we get out, and then we'll see, if it's completely safe - let's continue ?!
        Maybe we should go to the border with Poland - I think no one will give the order to open fire on us, but without it they turn into naughty kids, only on the Internet they can fight, it seems! laughing
  3. stayer
    stayer 26 November 2018 19: 04
    +23
    What is the name of Yana Kapu? Ugh. From the abbreviated Yanyk kaput? The post-Maid spelling, for the former name Krasnoperekopsk did not suit them in any way.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 26 November 2018 19: 11
      +8
      Yes figs with this "Kapu" .. I am worried why the "wolf pack" which they threatened did not work? Did the leader swell or set his tail between his legs?
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 26 November 2018 19: 26
        +6
        Quote: 210ox
        I am worried why the threatened "wolf pack" did not work?

        Here you need to ask these:

        The FSB is now doing just that.
        1. Slavs
          Slavs 26 November 2018 19: 51
          +27
          Boys, do not dirty the name of the Russian naval commander ... They are not Nakhimov ...
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 26 November 2018 19: 54
            +6
            Quote: Slavs

            Lads, don't dirty the name of the Russian naval commander ...

            So they do not get dirty - they honestly piled home.
          2. demo
            demo 26 November 2018 20: 45
            +25
            I thought the same.
            The fact that the oath was not violated, is a matter of respect. And the fact that they are called Nakhimov’s is a discord in the soul. Nakhimovets cannot be an enemy of Russia.
            Ugh for the whole Bandera bastard.
            1. Antares
              Antares 26 November 2018 23: 41
              -7
              Quote: demo
              A Nakhimovite cannot be an enemy of Russia.
              Ugh for the whole Bandera bastard.

              and graduates of Marinescu?
              Nakhimovka and Sukhoputka have always produced Ukrainian military sailors.
              If you always call Ukrainians Bandera, then yes ..
              However, most Ukrainians are not Bandera. And even more so sailors.
              We are enemies of politics, but the opinion of the peoples on this holidays of the life of partners of Bankova and the Kremlin is not interesting to anyone.
              1. serezhasoldatow
                serezhasoldatow 27 November 2018 09: 08
                +1
                Did you read what you wrote? I understand that nonsense is easier to carry than a log.
              2. purple
                purple 27 November 2018 15: 55
                0
                Quote: Antares
                However, most Ukrainians are not Bandera.

                Well, we can see an example ...
              3. victor50
                victor50 27 November 2018 17: 37
                0
                Quote: Antares
                However, most Ukrainians are not Bandera. And even more so sailors.
                We are enemies of politics, but the opinion of the peoples on this holidays of the life of partners of Bankova and the Kremlin is not interesting to anyone.

                Uh-huh, they force you to hate Russians, a common history, the Great Victory in the Great Patriotic War, etc.? Well, even if they are forced, why are you so diligently waving ?!
              4. Slavs
                Slavs 27 November 2018 21: 28
                0
                Hear, one year old, Nakhimovka for Ukrainian sailors ended with the arrival of the hero of Bandera, their choice, all are free, all the garden ...
              5. Slavs
                Slavs 27 November 2018 21: 30
                0
                Marinesco !!!
                and graduates of Marinescu?
        2. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 26 November 2018 20: 51
          +6
          I watched the video. Especially touched: "They dream of admiral ranks."
          Duren Dumka richer - Ukrainian proverb.
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 26 November 2018 22: 01
            +7
            Quote: Aviator_
            Especially touched: "They dream of admiral ranks."

            Silly, I agree. There are already 14 admirals.
        3. Dmitriy66
          Dmitriy66 28 November 2018 07: 41
          0
          for 23 years, the brains have increased in the country 404. HORROR AND CASHMAR !!!
    2. Berkut154
      Berkut154 26 November 2018 19: 11
      +2
      This is the city they have, before Krasnoperekopsk was, to Yan Kapu it was he who began to be called that in Crimean Tatar. In honor of him, the tug was named)))
      1. svp67
        svp67 26 November 2018 19: 21
        +13
        Quote: Berkut154
        This is the city they have, before Krasnoperekopsk was, to Yan Kapu it was he who began to be called that in Crimean Tatar

        Not with them, but with us. This city is in the Crimea. So, on full grounds, we can return this name to the unfortunate tugboat.
        1. cniza
          cniza 26 November 2018 19: 59
          +3
          It is of little use, if only as a training target, in 2008 it almost sank in the roadstead of Sevastopol, trying not to miss our ships after the flogging of Georgia.
        2. Berkut154
          Berkut154 26 November 2018 22: 47
          0
          So I say they have been BEFORE! And now no! Since he is in Russia))))
      2. Zaval
        Zaval 26 November 2018 19: 45
        +8
        Well, they could not "de-communize" the city in the Crimea, the elbow was close, but they couldn't get it, so they fought back in tow, which was at hand and bore the name of the city, "de-communizing" it. And the city as it was Krasnoperekopsk remained, including on all maps except Ukrainian. And you can sympathize with the tug - to carry a name which in translation means "New Gate" brings an analogy to the proverb with a ram.
        1. svp67
          svp67 26 November 2018 19: 53
          0
          Quote: ZAVal
          translated means "New Gate

          Or the "Beautiful Gate"?
          1. Zaval
            Zaval 26 November 2018 21: 02
            +9
            Although I am not a Crimean Tatar, as a resident of Krasnoperekopsk I know the translation. I dare to assure that all the same "New Gate", although your version is more pleasant. The city never had any other name except Krasnoperekopsk. It arose as a workers' settlement at the Bromny Plant in 1936; it first appeared on maps as Krasnoperekopsk in 1941.
    3. PavelT
      PavelT 28 November 2018 03: 38
      0
      ABOUT ! This is a very important question: this tugboat was named "Yany Kapu" in honor of the city in Crimea which "Nezalezhnaya" renamed from "Krasnoperekopsk" (on the territory of the Dzhankoy region of the Republic of Crimea) to the old Crimean Tatar name "Yany Kapu" (to support its allies in Crimea) and forced Google to do it on their maps. Although historically the Ottoman Turks built a city + rampart on Perekop (the Crimean Tatars did not possess the necessary technologies at that time), and the Turks then called their city “Yeni Kapu”. Well, at first the tugboat remained, respectively, "Krasnoperekopsk" - but the fighters against communism and for the Islamic names on "Nezalezhnaya" saw it and later renamed the tug!
      It’s still that they are so crazy in Kiev that they object to the Crimean Khanate in reality, giving them vast lands in the steppe in Kherson region (for they have short hands to Crimea): https://sevastopol.su/news/vossozdanie-krymskogo- hanstva-chto-zateyal-poroshenko-v-otnoshenii-poluostrova
      The same is necessary!
      Total 3-5 centuries ago, this khanate (with the Turks) killed and stole hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of Ukrainians, Cossacks, Russians, Poles and other peoples into slavery, and now in Ukraine they flirt with it, defying it from non-existence ...
  4. Leclerc
    Leclerc 26 November 2018 19: 07
    +14
    There is some kind of secret ERA technology in tow, and green stealth technology on the boats.
    1. bubalik
      bubalik 26 November 2018 19: 11
      +5
      boats green stealth technology.
      laughing good test!
    2. 210ox
      210ox 26 November 2018 19: 12
      +4
      Stop joking, this is a tugboat - they always hang tires on them. And our boats have pulled a camouflage net.
      1. Leclerc
        Leclerc 26 November 2018 19: 16
        +9
        You are simply jealous of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, there is no reactive armor on the starboard side because the Don rammed there.
        1. cniza
          cniza 26 November 2018 20: 00
          +2
          Quote: 210ox
          Stop joking, this is a tugboat - they always hang tires on them. And our boats have pulled a camouflage net.


          These are no longer tires, but fenders. laughing
    3. igorka357
      igorka357 26 November 2018 19: 36
      -5
      It was credited, and it was funny, but only the tug in the photo is intact, but our border guard suffered just for the price of this tug, and what's new! And a strange misunderstanding, our border guard in the video was piled on the left side and the hole on the right, what or am I missing something?
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 26 November 2018 19: 43
        +8
        Quote: igorka357
        And a strange misunderstanding, our border guard in the video from the left side and a hole on the right side piled on, what are you doing? Or have I missed something?

        Look at the record of the bulk on Krasnoperekopsk - Don and Izumrud clamped the tug in tongs. And from the "Izumrud" "Don" and the tug were just to the right. So the campaign "Don" after the bulk hit also the "Emerald".
        1. 210ox
          210ox 26 November 2018 19: 52
          +1
          "Don" has a high stem, or as the sailors call the bow of the ship. Let them correct it, if not right. This is generally a project of an ice-class tug converted into a "border guard". So you can twist a lot with this bow. Well, they did not disperse when maneuvering.
          1. igorka357
            igorka357 26 November 2018 20: 04
            -1
            It is possible and this of course, but that's not a rumor, not a spirit about it for some reason, we do not want a fly in the ointment ...)))?
          2. Aleksandr67
            Aleksandr67 27 November 2018 02: 12
            0
            Judging by the radio interception (possibly fake), that's what happened. "Don" after piling on the tug did not manage to maneuver and hit the "Emerald" with its nose into the superstructure. There is a video on YouTube, where "Izumrd" stands at the Crimean bridge with a hole covered with a sheet.
            1. igorka357
              igorka357 27 November 2018 07: 35
              0
              Believe the radio intercepts?
        2. igorka357
          igorka357 26 November 2018 19: 53
          +3
          No, the video shows that the Emerald is already far ahead, Don could not catch him in any way.
      2. igorka357
        igorka357 26 November 2018 20: 06
        0
        It just touches how some personalities mold a minus ...))) And how did they live in VO, during that period when it was impossible to minus, apparently they had a hard time ..)))
      3. Leclerc
        Leclerc 26 November 2018 20: 07
        +2
        Quote: igorka357
        yes, only the tug in the photo is intact, but our border guard suffered


        There is such a thing, recently Steven Seagal has been working as a cook, and at the moment when the turmoil began he was just cutting the meat, there was no time to run upstairs, he scribbled with a hatchet on the inner wall, turned it over to look, he sees the Ukrainians - these will surrender themselves, it's good that I'm not theirs The cook thought he would have to run around the deck and compartments for an hour and a half, to free the ship.
      4. Avior
        Avior 27 November 2018 00: 06
        -3
        Russian ships collided
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 26 November 2018 19: 08
    0
    Of course, the UN Security Council will not stand up for Russia ...
    1. Vadmir
      Vadmir 26 November 2018 19: 16
      0
      UN Security Council will not stand up for Russia
      What are you talking about, there will be a trial for Russia, because in any case, Russia is always to blame for everything. Well, at least there is a veto right.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 26 November 2018 19: 25
        +1
        This trial may have great consequences ... Do you remember how the question was raised under Obama that it’s time to remove the "veto" right when voting in the Security Council? And to resolve issues "democratic" by a simple vote, they say, let the majority, which is led by the United States, decide ... This is just a reason for the Americans to raise this issue again ..
        1. igorka357
          igorka357 26 November 2018 19: 37
          0
          Even before this incident, this issue was raised in order to cancel the veto right at all!
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 26 November 2018 20: 17
            +7
            Quote: igorka357
            Even before this incident, this issue was raised in order to cancel the veto right at all!

            Let them win in the Third World War - and reshape the UN for themselves.
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 26 November 2018 20: 16
          +1
          Quote: parusnik
          they say, let the majority, which is led by the United States, decide ... This is just a reason for the Americans to raise this issue again ..

          This is a matter of principle, the Americans will not deprive themselves of their loved ones of the right of veto, therefore everything died out - the United States did not support it.
  6. 210ox
    210ox 26 November 2018 19: 08
    +3
    A shameful page of history ?! And 404 had this story ... Well, yes, since 2013 .... Well, start the story with shame ..
    1. Gato
      Gato 26 November 2018 19: 39
      +4
      A shameful page in history?

      This is some kind of rock. If sclerosis does not change me, then in 1918 some of the ships of the Black Sea Fleet raised a black-and-white bandera. the Germans who occupied Ukraine were in alliance with the Skoropadsky government.
      It didn’t help - they lasted one day. Then they were drowned (however, the Germans also drowned themselves in Scapa Flow).
      History tends to repeat itself (C)
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 26 November 2018 20: 56
        +4
        Then the "zhovtno-blakytnaya" rag was not yet a Bandera, but a petliura.
        1. Cetron
          Cetron 26 November 2018 22: 27
          +2
          Bandera red and black.
        2. Gato
          Gato 28 November 2018 20: 40
          +1
          Then the "zhovtno-blakytnaya" rag was not yet a Bandera, but a petliura.

          In Ragulian "bandera" is the flag
      2. Antares
        Antares 26 November 2018 23: 45
        -1
        Quote: Gato
        and the Germans also drowned themselves in Scapa Flow).

        Well, after returning from captivity, Rear Admiral von Reuter was greeted at home as a hero who defended the honor of the German Navy.
        And the Germans gave 10 lives in this adventure.
        1. purple
          purple 27 November 2018 15: 59
          -1
          Quote: Antares
          Well, after returning from captivity, Rear Admiral von Reuter was greeted at home as a hero who defended the honor of the German Navy.
          And the Germans gave 10 lives in this adventure.


          Can you remember something from Bandera? Or just the Germans of the Hitler period?
        2. Gato
          Gato 28 November 2018 20: 51
          0
          von Reuter

          According to some sources, although he was elevated to the rank of full admiral (already in 1939), the German sailors considered him ... well .. you get the idea am He could well have just dumped - and not participate in this disgrace. Let me remind you that there was a revolution in Germany at that time too.
  7. alex007i
    alex007i 26 November 2018 19: 08
    +2
    The front line, the largest fleet in Europe.
  8. svp67
    svp67 26 November 2018 19: 10
    0
    Kuzmuk also asks a question: if the boats went without ammunition, then who gave such an order, provided that it was originally intended to pass through the water area "controlled by the enemy."
    Strange, but before that, a representative of their Armed Forces stated that the boats have everything, up to anti-tank missiles ... But apparently they are not the point.
    I’m still wondering, did the crews know what this threatened them with or did they go for it?
    And what would "sweeten the bitter pill" today, the Paris court awarded the Ukrainian "Oschadbank" 1,3 billion for lost assets in Crimea ...
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 26 November 2018 19: 40
      +4
      The crews are here in the last place, they are like pawns ... and I would not strongly spread rot, because after all they are naval sailors, and they have an order, otherwise you can fly under the tribunal.
    2. qvazar
      qvazar 26 November 2018 19: 51
      0
      The award was awarded but not the fact that the Russian Federation will pay. To collect the piss, since all their court decisions are complete crap. And they know about it.
    3. Rafflesia
      Rafflesia 26 November 2018 20: 03
      +4
      I’m still wondering, did the crews know what this threatened them with or did they go for it?


      On the recording of the negotiations, you can hear them shouting: "He who does not jump is a Muscovite." So shta there are "true patriots of Ukraine".
  9. Vadmir
    Vadmir 26 November 2018 19: 12
    +2
    Russia will not tolerate violation of its borders.
    The only way. But it is necessary to stop violations more severely, otherwise there will continue to appear who want to check whether our border is locked and whether there is enough determination, in which case - open fire.
  10. Gray brother
    Gray brother 26 November 2018 19: 14
    +3
    And more recently:

    Andrey Klimenko, a member of the Maidan Zakordonnykh Sprava fund, who fled from Crimea, said this on the air of the Mejlisov channel "ATR", the correspondent of "PolitNavigator" reports.

    “I was very pleased with the mood that has now spread in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the commander, Admiral Voronchenko, and the captain of the first rank Kovalenko, who commanded the passage under the bridge when our auxiliary ships passed a few days ago. The actions of the young students of the Sevastopol Maritime Academy, whom we remember four and a half years ago during the raising of the Russian flag illegally captured at the naval school, they sang the Ukrainian anthem, and we know that all six artillery naval boats are commanded by those lieutenants who four years ago we ourselves were cadets, they sang a hymn.

    I personally know many officers, and I know that they are evil in a military way, they want revenge for the humiliation they experienced in February-March 2014, and they have that drive without which victory is impossible, "Klimenko explained.

    “Based on the results of September, which we have just summed up and published, we see that, firstly, demonstration detentions of ships in the middle of the Sea of ​​Azov have been reduced by three times. In July there were more than forty of them. This month, which has passed, there are already eight of them. This is a direct consequence of the fact that the Russian border guards-FSBs are afraid of those very young lieutenants on those two artillery boats, because they understand that they will get in the teeth, ”added the fugitive Crimean Maidan officer.

    Earlier, "PolitNavigator" reported that the Ukrainian Navy declared the "first victory of the mosquito fleet" an incident when one of the boats together with the flagship "Getman Sagaidachny" conditionally attacked a Russian patrol ship, approaching it 6 km.

    The message "The captains of the boats in the Sea of ​​Azov, singing" Still not dead, panicked the FSB "first appeared on PolitNavigator. News from Ukraine and Russia. "
    1. qvazar
      qvazar 26 November 2018 19: 55
      0
      Well, they just got scared laughing lol laughing lol laughing lol laughing lol
  11. Whisper
    Whisper 26 November 2018 19: 15
    +2
    Now they won't see their boats for a long time. It is so inept to squander military property, it’s a real gift!
    1. Neutron Retarded
      Neutron Retarded 26 November 2018 19: 27
      +2
      They just took the grenade away from the monkey, besides, the always drunk monkey.
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 26 November 2018 19: 19
    0
    The result should be. All the same, not on the BV events are taking place, where for that sho the balls were tapped, for sure a response will arrive until everything is level with the ground!
  13. Sadko88
    Sadko88 26 November 2018 19: 19
    +5
    If the dispatchers, as they say, did not respond, it would be logical to anchor and wait for a response
    1. Antares
      Antares 26 November 2018 23: 50
      -3
      Quote: Sadko88
      If the dispatchers, as they say, did not respond, it would be logical to anchor and wait for a response

      not much fuel to wait. They don't have the same autonomy. And the dispatchers would not have answered them. Because everything was already ready for their meeting.
  14. faiver
    faiver 26 November 2018 19: 20
    +5
    where was the support of our armed forces, where is the aviation, which was supposed to barrage over the water area and disperse the enemy?
    - Is he really sick? Ukrainian aviation over the territorial waters of the Russian Federation?
  15. tuts
    tuts 26 November 2018 19: 21
    +4
    There is nothing good for us in this incident, as long as Poroshenko wins unconditionally.
    here the expert tells what for it was necessary this provocation
    1. qvazar
      qvazar 26 November 2018 20: 03
      +4
      Suggests to endure these rules? Other pravokatsii will not answer these anyway. Or maybe a couple of times to give in the teeth so that Parashashenko and his owners understand that jokes with Russia are bad.
      1. tuts
        tuts 26 November 2018 22: 52
        0
        Ukrainian expert and tells more for Ukrainians
        if it is thesis, then due to the low rating of Poroshenko, the introduction of the EP in Ukraine is needed (to postpone the elections)
  16. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 26 November 2018 19: 23
    +6
    Ukrainians have reopened a shameful page in the history of the country
    and this story was in general? !!!!
    the state appeared 27 years ago
  17. igorka357
    igorka357 26 November 2018 19: 24
    +1
    Calm down Kuzmuk, nothing separately shameful happened, against the background of your maidan-destroyed country, which turned into a complete shame, this is a minor event, so .. a little embarrassment, shame !!!
  18. Gato
    Gato 26 November 2018 19: 24
    +1
    Ukraine will supply VESSELS for the Russian fishing fleet!
    1. ALEXXX1983
      ALEXXX1983 26 November 2018 20: 18
      +5
      Quote: Gato
      Ukraine will supply VESSELS for the Russian fishing fleet!

      Why does the Russian fishing fleet need a SHIP ?! what
      He's not a hospital, so that he needed "ducks", fishermen can even reach the latrine!
      But the courts would not hurt ...
  19. Taoist
    Taoist 26 November 2018 19: 26
    +1
    "Two boats and a tug are urgently sold, the tug is broken, the boats are new but on the decks of the nao, bargaining is appropriate" (c)
  20. iaroslav.mudryi
    iaroslav.mudryi 26 November 2018 19: 26
    +6
    The program "60 minutes" is being broadcast




    minutes 5 from the beginning the plot went
  21. iaroslav.mudryi
    iaroslav.mudryi 26 November 2018 19: 31
    +3
    An emergency meeting of the UN Security Council on provocation in the Azov and Black Seas. Live broadcast
  22. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 26 November 2018 19: 32
    +1
    Urgently! Bargain! Selling two boats and a tug for river walks. Ask Petya.
  23. mvd ru
    mvd ru 26 November 2018 19: 33
    +24
    The source reported interesting details of the capture of the Ukrainian "squadron"
    131
    November 26, 2018
    After Russian border guards detained two Ukrainian armored boats of the Gyurza project and a raid tugboat, Nezavisimaya Gazeta managed to contact one of the participants in the emergency in the Kerch Strait. On condition of anonymity, he told some of the details of what happened in the area of ​​the strait.



    "All the teams are young, they do not remember the past, and, moreover, from the word" absolutely ", - said the source. - Currently, indeed, they are all in shock. Two supervisors from the SBU have been identified and isolated. They work with them separately. The codes, the ZAS (classified communications) equipment were taken safe and sound. The armored boat "Berdyansk" tried to resist - a dangerous maneuvering, so they used force. There are (lightly) three wounded. The Nikopol armored boat and the tug surrendered without resistance. Only 23 people. We walked with the positioning devices turned off. They were led from Odessa (there are enough sources in the city) ”.

    “The adventure of pure water is a tugboat portflot and he is 43 years old, and riverboats with seaworthiness are 3 points, so the auxiliary forces of the Black Sea Fleet were tasked with saving the poor fellow if the storm starts. And in readiness were all the forces and means. As soon as they reached the closed square, they tried to exhort them, but without result. Like real Bandera people, when they realized that they would be taken, they applied for the passage under the bridge by radio. By the fact that they left Berdyansk (a couple of the same armored boats) - there was no problem to drown, the flight of two Alligators with a full body kit turned out to be sufficient - they rushed to the base at maximum speed. In tow, some members of the team had to change the linen in the literal sense of the word. The cock behaved more courageously than all - he offered hot tea and coffee. ”
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 26 November 2018 20: 30
      0
      And what weapons were used and what exactly were damaged on the boats?
  24. vadivm59
    vadivm59 26 November 2018 19: 48
    +1
    that the damage is not visible from artillery fire. yak novelty.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 26 November 2018 20: 35
      0
      Quote: vadivm59
      that the damage is not visible from artillery fire.

      What kind of artillery fire is there ... maximum - from a machine gun. Everything that is larger is simply a pity to spend on it ... And there was no problem to drown.
  25. kefan
    kefan 26 November 2018 19: 52
    +2
    Next time, perhaps ukrovoyaki and think before provoking, because this power in 404 understand only force.
  26. Stoler
    Stoler 26 November 2018 19: 53
    +11
    But they were driven to the slaughter (((It's a pity the poor fellows, now they will not have life in Ukraine, because for the sake of Poroshenko's shyzy they did not dare to go to the bottom (((
  27. cniza
    cniza 26 November 2018 19: 53
    +3
    Kuzmuk said that the Ukrainians reopened a shameful page in the history of the country, watching how two armored boats of the Ukrainian Navy and a tug "surrendered to the mercy of the winner" and lowered the flags.


    But the forelocks of the gentlemen stand as starched.
  28. mamont5
    mamont5 26 November 2018 19: 54
    +2
    Complete and d and about s! Ukroaviation (what?) Was supposed to barrage over the Kerch Strait! .. But who would allow it ?!
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  30. faterdom
    faterdom 26 November 2018 19: 58
    +9
    These Kuzmuk love to tell from Kiev how it should be and how it should be ... Isn't there still, by chance, what kind of boat? After all, Russia only arrested a third of the Navy? Sit down, Kuzmuk, on the oars, or some kind of mover at your chavna, and attack, on the ram! aboard! personal example! Berserker you are our independent!
    Ah, though ... attack, don't attack ...
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  32. dima-fesko
    dima-fesko 26 November 2018 20: 01
    +2
    And at this hour .........
    The UN Security Council blocked the consideration of the Russian issue on the situation in the Kerch Strait.
    Source: http://rusvesna.su/news/1543250308


    I think so, and Ukraine cannot raise this issue, the agenda is the same! The message may be as follows, this is an internal affair of 2 states.
    1. IL-18
      IL-18 27 November 2018 01: 43
      +2
      Cool: INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF TWO states lol ... Plus for subtle humor.
    2. Dmitriy66
      Dmitriy66 28 November 2018 08: 02
      0
      type yourself tear your forelocks and vests?
  33. nafanal
    nafanal 26 November 2018 20: 02
    +7
    The funny thing is that one of the commanders of these armored vehicles noted in an interview where he threatened to drown the ChKF with the tactics of wolf packs.
    1. Tavrik
      Tavrik 26 November 2018 20: 28
      +6
      Doenitz will turn over in a coffin ... In general, I don't feel sorry for them. They had to be drowned. Everyone. A good Nazi is a dead Nazi. From an attack drone. From afar. They swam and didn’t ... We don’t know where they went ... And now they will be treated, wipe their snot ... And they will tell you that they were forced ... they are victims ...
    2. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 26 November 2018 21: 30
      0
      I suspect that the boy, about Dönitz, knows only by hearsay. Otherwise, he would be silent about the "flocks")) Or a conjuncturist who uses a "nice word"
  34. ser65
    ser65 26 November 2018 20: 08
    +1
    "According to Kuzmuk," the whole country must be ready to repel Russian aggression, and not just the military. "
    the coup was done by a bunch of people ... where is the whole country?
  35. akm8226
    akm8226 26 November 2018 20: 09
    +4
    There is a Charter of the border service. The article "Fire without warning":
    - to repel an armed invasion of military groups and bands
    It was necessary to drown to hell. According to the Charter. The boycott of Russia's proposal to the UN is confirmation of this. It was necessary to heat it.
    And no one else would rock the boat.
    1. Tochilka
      Tochilka 26 November 2018 20: 19
      +6
      Why sink brand new armored boats if they were already able to capture? maybe there is something interesting for specialists?
      1. The Siberian barber
        The Siberian barber 26 November 2018 21: 34
        0
        What's interesting there?))
        Look, in the photo, they showed what the guys were going to do "tsushima" with))) "Ushakovs", their mother))
        1. Cetron
          Cetron 26 November 2018 22: 41
          0
          Communication systems, possibly from "partners", codes, and the SBU officers are very interesting to shake for general development.
          1. The Siberian barber
            The Siberian barber 26 November 2018 22: 50
            -1
            Just now, SBUshnikov .. I suppose they won't tell you anything new) just for the record, with a signature. They, too, were driven to slaughter))
  36. K-50
    K-50 26 November 2018 20: 13
    +5
    Poroshenko keeps his word: he promised that the Ukrainian ships will stand in Crimea, so they are ...

    good laughing
    1. major147
      major147 26 November 2018 22: 48
      0
      Quote: K-50
      Poroshenko keeps his word: he promised that the Ukrainian ships will stand in Crimea, so they are ...

      good laughing

      soldier hi laughing
  37. mvd ru
    mvd ru 26 November 2018 20: 13
    +1
    Quote: igorka357
    And a strange misunderstanding, our border guard in the video from the left side and a hole on the right side piled on, what are you doing? Or have I missed something?

    In the network, since lunch, there are negotiations of our border guards, there are also with the censorship and there is with pee pee, listen and understand where the damage comes from ...
  38. Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 26 November 2018 20: 14
    +2
    Quote: Berkut154
    This is the city they have, before Krasnoperekopsk was, to Yan Kapu it was he who began to be called that in Crimean Tatar. In honor of him, the tug was named)))

    In Krasnoperekopsk they know about the renaming! ? Or is it a parallel reality in Ukraine!
    1. Tochilka
      Tochilka 26 November 2018 20: 17
      0
      They know, believe me.
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 26 November 2018 20: 18
        0
        In Sevastopol, no one has heard of such a city, Kapu Yala, or whatever they called it there!
        1. Tochilka
          Tochilka 26 November 2018 20: 22
          +1
          Not in Sevastopol, I hurried. And in Odessa, yes.
          decommunization, dragging colonel!
  39. Tochilka
    Tochilka 26 November 2018 20: 16
    +3
    I looked at the characteristics of the armored boats and the tug. The crew of the armored boat - 5 people, the tug - 6. Detained 23 "crew members" .. Who are these seven "passengers"? what
    1. ALEXXX1983
      ALEXXX1983 26 November 2018 20: 33
      +2
      Two are curators from the SBU, the other five are not in the know.
  40. Qwertyarion
    Qwertyarion 26 November 2018 20: 17
    +3
    It's all very sad! Where are these people climbing, why?
  41. Ilya-spb
    Ilya-spb 26 November 2018 20: 18
    0
    Quote: SRC P-15
    "They lowered their flags, it's a shame for Ukraine"

    But did Kuzmuk want them to lower their pants? Let the example show. yes

    Lyashko will show such an example)))
  42. iaroslav.mudryi
    iaroslav.mudryi 26 November 2018 20: 19
    +1

    Tomorrow will be a trial in Crimea. Until 6 years it shines.
    A criminal case was instituted on violation of the border, the maximum sentence is up to six years. Therefore, the fate of the crew will be decided by the court. Unless, of course, political agreements between Kiev and Moscow are reached. However, the investigators will restore the whole picture - the detained sailors will have to tell who gave them the order and what were the plans of this “ship group”. Launches of offenders under maritime international law are subject to confiscation.

    https://pravdoryb.info/ukrainskikh-moryakov-budut-sudit-za-narushenie-granitsy-156233.html
  43. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 26 November 2018 20: 25
    0
    Oh, gentlemen ... It seems to me, we rejoice early. It’s like champagne from Zhirinovsky and Makarenko when they rejoiced at Trump’s election. But it turned out ...
    Why do I have such a decadent tone? Maybe because I'm trying to look a little further than my nose?
    To everyone who is glad that our border guards rebuffed border violators only three questions.
    Why, a month ago, two ships of the Navy passed along the same route ?! What has changed?
    Why did they hussle for five hours without opening fire, without ramming ...?
    And why did they open fire when the boats left our waters? !!! Any intruder knows, jumped out of the zone, everything, free!
    And now dill appeared, if not an ace, then a trump card in the sleeve for sure. Now we are aggressors, violators of maritime rights and we are waiting for even stronger sanctions, from which we, of course, are better.
    And the minuses to my thoughts can not be fixed. Look at the dollar exchange rate in the exchanger tomorrow ....
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 26 November 2018 20: 37
      +1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Зgiven to me, we rejoice early.
      And it seems to me that the abscess "waltzman and co *" is ripe! It’s time to use surgery ... And then sepsis will begin, all gangrene from this infection Svidomo ...! There is already shown the amputation of the limbs! You will have to cut off the southeast and northeast along the very Lion! And the dollar,
      he rises and falls ... lol
      1. Antares
        Antares 26 November 2018 23: 58
        -7
        Quote: 30 vis
        Southeast and northeast along the Lviv will have to be cut

        after shooting at ours, I don't think the "cutters" will have a sweet spot. At the moment, coffins and shooting with wounds-
        this is the degree of hysteria. This means that there is no need to wait for any loyalty to the cutters. And the occupation of a million-strong territory is fraught.
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 27 November 2018 09: 43
          +2
          Quote: Antares
          after shooting at ours, I don't think the "cutters" will have a sweet spot. At the moment, coffins and shooting with wounds-
          this is the degree of hysteria. This means that there is no need to wait for any loyalty to the cutters. And the occupation of a million-strong territory is fraught.

          Your super stubborn svidomye sailors with SBessUshnikami threw down their weapons, they gave up and gave up, raised their paws .... And now they are drinking hot sweet tea and eating porridge with meat, sleeping on warm beds in heated rooms !!! The amputation scenario will be the same! No one will go to die for the interests of the Groismans, Waltzmans and Kapitelmans !!! In addition to the abscess .. Svido. Natsik Bandera ... And they will have to be sterilized, cut out and disposed of ... And peace and tranquility will come in Ukraine, throughout the millionth territory! They themselves will come out with icons and bread and salt!
    2. iaroslav.mudryi
      iaroslav.mudryi 26 November 2018 22: 00
      +4
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins

      Why, a month ago, two ships of the Navy passed along the same route ?! What has changed?

      In the Kerch Strait, a permissive procedure for the movement and parking of foreign ships is established by Russia. In September, at the request of the Ukrainian side, the Russian Federation gave permission for the passage of the Navy ships, they were conducted along the fairway and under the bridge by Russian pilot boats. This time there was no request, but the main thing - there was no permission to pass.

      Why did they hussle for five hours without opening fire, without ramming ...?

      In 6: 00, the Navy’s boats violated the state border of the Russian Federation, and an hour later, in 7: 04, the bulk was towed.
      Border guards do not have the indispensable task of destroying violators when they have visual control. The task was to block the Navy’s boats and pacify them in order to decide their status, but since they didn’t obey the teams, our border guards had to drive them like fleas on the Tuzik, and in the end they blocked them and put them on a raid.

      And why did they open fire when the boats left our waters? !!! Any intruder knows, jumped out of the zone, everything, free!

      There are rules for the use of weapons and military equipment when guarding the state border of the Russian Federation, when there was a threat of Ukrainians using weapons on our border guards - the Navy boats uncovered the guns and they made an attempt to break out of the 12 mile zone, that's when the use of weapons by the departing intruder happened his detention. Everything is in accordance with the law, rules, instructions and the charter of the border service. And how do you like? !!!
  44. Jeremiah
    Jeremiah 26 November 2018 20: 39
    -13
    Judging by the comments of such an impression, some writers want to add another strip to the jack of the uniform of the Russian sailor in honor of such a victory, almost like at Chesma or Gangut .... Be more modest ... gentlemen ... you were used, and you were led to Ukraine is now in martial law, which is what Giblets wanted ... And you will be remembered more than once
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 26 November 2018 22: 06
      0
      If the Poros eternally sought to rule, let him rule, the lessons deserve him forever.
    2. Redfox3k
      Redfox3k 26 November 2018 23: 03
      +1
      Yes, we already do not remember anything, it is easier to say that they really do not remember.
  45. Obliterator
    Obliterator 26 November 2018 20: 52
    +1
    They had to go to the ram, ha. Would this "brave warrior", sitting in a warm place now, go to a ram? Yes, a fool for a story.
  46. Adimius38
    Adimius38 26 November 2018 21: 01
    0
    you will not envy Ukrainian sailors, find yourself between a rock and a hard place
  47. Cottager452
    Cottager452 26 November 2018 21: 04
    0
    Couldn't they open fire without permission?
    1. Avior
      Avior 27 November 2018 00: 09
      -1
      unlikely.
      Someone ordered.
  48. NF68
    NF68 26 November 2018 21: 18
    0
    In addition to these 3 rusty troughs in the "Navy" of Ukraine is there at least one vessel capable of going out to sea on its own?
    1. TAMBU
      TAMBU 26 November 2018 21: 50
      +3
      1. This "rusty trough" 2004 year. so not so rusty
      2. Ukrainian Navy totals 50 ships.
      1. NF68
        NF68 27 November 2018 16: 11
        +1
        Quote: TAMBU
        1. This "rusty trough" 2004 year. so not so rusty
        2. Ukrainian Navy totals 50 ships.


        In today's Ukraine, newer ships and, not only, ships can quickly turn into scrap. Tug, for example, 1974 year of construction.
  49. Alexander X
    Alexander X 26 November 2018 21: 21
    +1
    Quote: Gray Brother
    Here you need to ask these:

    In the video, they say that 20 graduates refused to take the oath ... and now they have new armored boats. Something I didn't understand, but how many armored boats does Dill have? Total? winked
    1. iaroslav.mudryi
      iaroslav.mudryi 26 November 2018 22: 16
      +2
      Quote: Alexander X
      and how many armored boats do dill have? Total? winked

      River armored boats of the 58150 project, “Gyurza” code
      In the ranks of 6
      2 losses
  50. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 26 November 2018 22: 04
    +1
    According to the former minister, the sailors did not show courage, but had to "understand that this is a war, and that you need to ram if there is no ammunition."

    They probably have already prepared graves, and then they talk about heroes, cruelly torn apart by the aggressor, about unity, solidarity, etc. and the heroes did not want to die for the illegal junta. lol