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Kursk Base ZVO completes re-equipment on Su-30 CM

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Aviation Association of the Western District will receive a pair of Su-30 SM fighters of the 4+ generation to form a new fleet of the squadron in the Kursk region, reports press office ZVO


Kursk Base ZVO completes re-equipment on Su-30 CM


According to the press service, a batch of new aircraft has already been accepted at the manufacturing plant in Irkutsk and prepared for a long-haul flight of more than 5 thousands of kilometers. Fighters will be included in the squadron's combat squadron and, in accordance with the rearmament plan, they will replace MiG-29CMT aircraft.

Thus, by the end of November, the acquisition of the entire fleet of aircraft with new super-maneuverable fighters will be completed.

Su-30M is designed to gain air supremacy, destroy air, land and sea targets, block enemy airfields at great depths. The fighter is capable of using high-precision air-to-air and air-to-air weapons. The machine is equipped with thrust vectoring engines.

In addition, the press service announced the adoption by the air defense division, located in the Voronezh region, a new station of medium and high altitudes "Heaven-UM." Radar delivered to the district on state defense orders for 2018 year.



The release emphasizes that the new station significantly increased the combat capabilities of the ZVO to control the airspace "in southern Central Russia." It is able to find and accompany both ballistic (missile warheads) and aerodynamic (aircraft, cruise missiles). Also, the radar is able to determine the state ownership of objects and transmit information to anti-aircraft complexes and to the command center.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 25 November 2018 11: 03
    +12
    Another base was rearmament ... Step, step, step brothers, step ... All of Europe for three smoke breaks we went from the Volga to the Ruhr ... The song is this ... Do not think what ...
    1. Machito
      Machito 25 November 2018 11: 23
      +4
      From Kursk to Kharkov - five minutes of flight.
    2. Herald of the Revolution
      Herald of the Revolution 25 November 2018 12: 04
      -17
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      For three smoke breaks, we went all over Europe from the Volga to the Ruhr ...

      Well, Europe, too, came all over Russia far and wide ... remember the same Germany or Napoleonic France, and this despite the fact that Russia will be several times more in terms of area. And in general, after the Tatar-Mongols and 300 years of slavery, it’s worth forever forgetting about any haters hi
      1. vlad66
        vlad66 25 November 2018 12: 15
        +8
        Quote: Herald of Revia
        remember the same Germany or Napoleonic France, and

        Well let's remember laughing As a result of these campaigns, what did Napoleon and Hitler finish? Remind me? Is the memory short?
        Quote: Herald of Revia
        in general, after the Tatar Mongols and 300 years of slavery, it’s worth forever forgetting about any haters

        Well, well, not respected, western fingers were bent over to anyone here, a loser went to school. laughing
        1. Herald of the Revolution
          Herald of the Revolution 25 November 2018 12: 22
          -24
          Quote: vlad66
          As a result of these campaigns, what did Napoleon and Hitler finish? Remind me?

          No need to remind me, I know how it ended for ALL parties. In one case, Russia was saved by hunger and cold, which is exactly what made Napoleon not finish off the retreating Russian troops and turn back. I should be ashamed to not know this.
          And in the 2nd case, say thanks to the 2 front and the stews for Lend Lease. For your information, 50% of all troops in Germany were on the western front, and regarding the land lease, read what Zhukov wrote about this, I hope you will believe him at least. fellow
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 25 November 2018 12: 56
            +9
            Well, shake the foundations of the universe with the story of how Russia was saved from Napoleon by hunger and cold.

            The second front, opened in June 1944? When was the outcome of the war a foregone conclusion?

            Herald of Revius, from Revia, obviously? Illiteracy or an attempt to clumsyly originate? Uncertainty is definitely your most prominent feature.
          2. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 25 November 2018 13: 13
            +8
            Quote: Herald of Revy
            Quote: vlad66
            As a result of these campaigns, what did Napoleon and Hitler finish? Remind me?

            No need to remind me, I know how it ended for ALL parties. In one case, Russia was saved by hunger and cold, which is exactly what made Napoleon not finish off the retreating Russian troops and turn back. I should be ashamed to not know this.
            And in the 2nd case, say thanks to the 2 front and the stews for Lend Lease. For your information, 50% of all troops in Germany were on the western front, and regarding the land lease, read what Zhukov wrote about this, I hope you will believe him at least. fellow

            Yeah, your "teachers" have put into your head not real knowledge, but the NECESSARY knowledge. As a result, you showed us your bare bottom, that is, a complete lack of knowledge on the topic. With which I congratulate you.
          3. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 25 November 2018 13: 27
            +3
            Quote: Herald of Revia
            In 1 case, Russia was saved by hunger and cold,

            Quote: Herald of Revia
            say thank you to the 2 front and stews for lend lease.

            That's it, Ondrijka, burned completely ... wassat Where do you get these from? request Special for:
            - Tell me, Pan Jacek, what is the Polish word for “come”?
            - "Appear."
            - And how will "go away"?
            - "Fuck off".
          4. Wolf
            Wolf 25 November 2018 22: 13
            +1
            Rossiu was saved by Kutuzov during Napoleon’s time, and in the case of Hitler, no landlisse and Russian soldiers, and land lease saved the Anglo-Saxons that bi Europe did not become Slavic! Enough to get on the story of Anglo Chris! And from the beginning, Ivan beat the GREAT, and Grozny was for Anglo Chris!
          5. EvilLion
            EvilLion 26 November 2018 08: 42
            0
            It’s bad to be a skakuas and believe in General Frost. It is fraught.
          6. Astronaut
            Astronaut 27 November 2018 09: 15
            0
            No need to remind me

            But they don’t remind you, they explain to you what you don’t know!
      2. NKT
        NKT 25 November 2018 12: 44
        +1
        In Russia, the entrance is the ruble, and the output is three rubles.
      3. Zubr
        Zubr 25 November 2018 14: 11
        +2
        And the same number of times they raked lyuley, by the very tomatoes. And then they became civilized, they began to understand that they had done very wrong .. smile and who would talk about slavery, if you yourself are a slave .. smile
      4. Astronaut
        Astronaut 27 November 2018 09: 13
        0
        Well, Europe, too, came all over Russia far and wide.

        Well, it was the case, for all of 2m2 zemlyatsei enough and still enough, if that
  2. The whistle
    The whistle 25 November 2018 11: 05
    +1
    Western District will teach a couple of Su-30 SM fighters of the 4+ generation

    Funny, but what to do ..? Everything is exported .. We need money for more modern and breakthrough weapons!
    Like so men. We work further. soldier
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 25 November 2018 11: 17
      +2
      Quote: Whistler
      Like so men

      (hehe) forgot to add, Vitalik ... yes
  3. shura7782
    shura7782 25 November 2018 11: 10
    +1
    I would like to clarify the picture of the aircraft. He has on board the flag of the Navy, and the base in Kursk, which was related to air defense. How shoud I understand this?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 25 November 2018 11: 18
      +8
      Quote: shura7782
      I would like to clarify the picture of the aircraft. He has on board the flag of the Navy, and the base in Kursk, which was related to air defense. How shoud I understand this?

      I don’t understand in any way ... they make photos of any kind, in the order of things already.
      1. vik669
        vik669 25 November 2018 16: 13
        +1
        When TU-22M was in Belarus with the Navy flag on board, the Americans remember and are still threatening to send the Sixth Fleet - to the coast of Belarus!
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 25 November 2018 17: 10
          +3
          Quote: vik669
          When TU-22M was in Belarus with the Navy flag on board, the Americans remember and are still threatening to send the Sixth Fleet - to the coast of Belarus!

          Eugene Psaki's nightmare ...
          1. vik669
            vik669 25 November 2018 18: 58
            +1
            But the TU-22M division of naval aviation in Bykhov was not only a Psaki nightmare but a nightmare of the entire exceptional nation and joined them and so far they have not forgotten it!
  4. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 25 November 2018 11: 29
    +8
    This is a useful rearmament.
    The Su-30 is much more useful than the MiG-29: long-range, more versatile.
    Re-equipment on the Su-35 would be even more useful.
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 25 November 2018 12: 50
      +4
      I think it’s not always advantageous to have a heavy fighter, and it’s not right to have only heavy fighters, for example, when defending, I think it’s better to have a little more light fighter like Mig-35 than the same Su-30/35 ...

      The MiG-35 can take off from small sections of routes and poorly prepared airfields, while using the same range of weapons for both air targets and ground and sea targets, which also use less Su-30/35, which can be of key importance in the case of attacks on our country, which will begin with the fact that the main airfields with all infrastructure and storage facilities for fuel and lubricants and weapons will be destroyed ...

      After the destruction of the airfield, the Su-30/35 may simply not fly up and it will have nowhere to land, but the MiG-35 is much more profitable in this regard and can be more effective in such conditions ...

      Mig-29/35 is a front-line multi-functional fighter, a fighter which should and can be closest to the front and more efficiently can support ground forces ...

      Mig-29/35 will be able to take off from unpaved airfields



      And the Su-30/35 needs to be built, which will be immediately spotted and plowed up with the same Tomahawks along with the planes and everything else ...
      1. vik669
        vik669 25 November 2018 16: 16
        +1
        Well, the MIG-35 can take off from a drawing board, and not just that ...!
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 25 November 2018 17: 12
        0
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

        Mig-29/35 will be able to take off from unpaved airfields

        wassat wassat wassat
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 25 November 2018 17: 18
          0
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

          Mig-29/35 will be able to take off from unpaved airfields

          wassat wassat wassat

          What's so funny?
    2. Kasym
      Kasym 25 November 2018 16: 53
      +1
      Alexei, your Air Force has both a twin-engine F-15 and a single-engine F-16. Maybe you should replace everything with the F-15?
      The United States had the same fighter jets, and now they are re-equipping with twin-engine. F-22 and single engine. F-35. Moreover, the emphasis, as we see in numbers, is on the F-35. Why not change everything to F-22? It has a greater range, can carry more. wink hi
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 25 November 2018 17: 15
        0
        Duc ... if the MiG were single-engine, I would understand. But he looks like Su and is too heavy.
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 25 November 2018 17: 23
          0
          Twin-engine aircraft are more tenacious and reliable, in the event of a single engine failure, the aircraft will land at its airfield, but single-engine aircraft will not ...

          Yes, a twin-engine aircraft is more expensive, but at the same time the aircraft receives other characteristics in terms of speed and maneuverability ...

          In the USA, there is also an analogue of the Miga-29/35, this is the F / A-18. Why did they do it, would fly on F-16 ?! But to see the point is ...
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 25 November 2018 17: 50
            +1
            F-18 is actually more of a drummer from an aircraft carrier. There you have to fly far, a lot of fuel ... Although there are countries that bought it as a fighter.
            MiG-35 without AFAR, Su-30 - too.
            On the Su-35, the radar is still more powerful. I doubt the MiGs will be as useful as fighters, if anything. Why: the EPR of the MiG is large, but he "sees"
            near. So only melee.
            1. Ratmir_Ryazan
              Ratmir_Ryazan 25 November 2018 18: 23
              0
              How many aircraft carriers do Finns, Canadians, Swiss and other F-18 operators have besides the USA ?! They use it precisely as a fighter, although they could also buy F-16s ...

              The combat radius of the F-18 is less than that of the MiG-29 ...

              Mig-35 is done with a large share of composites and there is also a radar with AFAR for it, it seems like it is being tested ...

              The advantage of Miga-29/35 is that it has a shorter take-off and you can use unprepared routes for take-off and landing, and perhaps this will be more important in a future war, despite the fact that otherwise the plane does not have AFAR will yield to his opponents ...

              The purpose of the Miga-29/35 is precisely the front-line fighter, that is, it is not particularly distant to see it, since it can be guided by ground-based radars, but having a disguised location near the front is a very significant factor ...

              Given the US withdrawal from the INF Treaty and the non-signing of this treaty by other countries, both NATO and China, all this makes Russia's airfields with capital runways vulnerable to a missile attack, and such, after which it will be impossible to use it for the same Su-30/34/35 but Migu-29/35 may be enough ...

              So I think that in no case can Russia stop the Mig-35 program ...
        2. Kasym
          Kasym 25 November 2018 18: 49
          0
          Alexei, fuel savings of only a third, at least, between the MiG-29 and Su-27.
          And the tasks are different. hi
    3. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 25 November 2018 19: 13
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      This is a useful rearmament.
      The Su-30 is much more useful than the MiG-29: long-range, more versatile.

      Apparently the IDF F-16 armed with a mistake?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 25 November 2018 23: 36
        0
        F-16 - the most versatile aircraft. We use it in almost all operations as a drummer. And the F-15 is more like a fighter for air supremacy and less like a bomber.
        MiG-29 is good as a fighter, but due to weak radar - only for close combat. It is preferable to keep the Su-35 in the Air Force, in my opinion. Its capabilities are higher. The MiG-29, as they wrote to me, can take off from an unprepared airfield. But what's the point of taking off and getting a rocket from afar from an adversary you yourself don't see?
        -----
        F-16 Israeli Air Force. Pay attention to how packaged it is. Like a donkey.
        There is an aiming container, an electronic warfare container, and additional fuel tanks, bombs, and missiles.
        Full outfit of "knight in armor" - drummer. laughing

        Nothing to do with the MiG-29
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 26 November 2018 23: 15
          +1
          Nothing in common?! )))


          And now Mig-29K / 35 can carry all the same missiles as the Su-30/35, including the Kh-35U ...

          And the radar with AFAR is also on its way.

          Long-range missiles are good, but practice shows that more often a battle takes place at short and medium distances, and here an agile Mig may turn out to be a more suitable aircraft ...

          In the USSR, conducted training battles between the Su-27 and MiG-29, the victory remained with MiGs and this is a fact ...
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 27 November 2018 11: 30
            0
            Training - yes. But in real battles between the pilots of Ethiopia and Eritrea, the score was sharply in favor of the Su-27, almost dry. Su shot from an average distance. Maneuverability did not help the MiGs, they did not see the enemy.
            Perhaps the performance characteristics of the MiGs have improved since then. I do not consider myself a winner in our discussion hi
    4. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 25 November 2018 21: 37
      0
      The Su-30 can control air combat, direct other planes at various targets, a sort of mini-avax, the Su-35 is not capable of this, there is one pilot, there is no operator like in the Su-30. He is not only looking for targets in the air, but also on the ground .
  5. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 25 November 2018 11: 34
    +1
    MOSCOW, Nov 25 - RIA News. Three ships of the Ukrainian Navy crossed the state border of Russia and are moving towards the Kerch Strait, the press service of the Crimean border control of the FSB reported.


    The ships entered the enclosed water area at about 7:00 in the morning. It is noted that the ships violated two articles of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, according to which the coastal state is responsible for safety in the sea.

    In Kerch, the movement and parking of ships is allowed in accordance with the schedule approved by the captain of the Russian seaport.

    Kiev did not submit applications for passage of ships in the Kerch Strait, ships are not included in the passage schedule. Ships maneuver dangerously and do not obey the legal requirements of the Russian authorities.

    What we shall do? what
    1. Serjio
      Serjio 25 November 2018 11: 38
      +2
      The Ukrainian harbor tug "Yany Kapu", carrying out the passage from the port of Odessa to the port of Mariupol as part of two small armored artillery boats "Berdyansk" and "Nikopol", was damaged. This was reported on Sunday by the press service of the Naval Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (Naval Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine).
      "The border ship Don (Russian Federation) rammed our harbor tug, as a result of which the ship's main engine, sheathing and railing were damaged, and the life raft was lost," the message says.
      1. Destiny
        Destiny 25 November 2018 11: 41
        +3
        This we have long been able to
        .
        Not forgotten how it can not but rejoice.
        1. Herald of the Revolution
          Herald of the Revolution 25 November 2018 12: 09
          -11
          Quote: Destiny
          This we have long been able to

          We know what? To ram a deliberately larger ship and almost overturn your own? Perhaps you are right, only Russia can do that. hi
        2. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 25 November 2018 19: 18
          +1
          Quote: Destiny
          This we have long been able to
          .
          Not forgotten how it can not but rejoice.

          What can I say ....
      2. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 25 November 2018 11: 42
        +3
        Kiev did not submit applications for the passage of ships in the Kerch Strait, ships are not included in the passage schedule

        wink Star Destroyer "Yana Kapu" gave permission to pass through the Kerch Strait? Or do we act according to Sumerian laws - first we run up and then we cry and complain? lol
        1. Serjio
          Serjio 25 November 2018 11: 47
          +1
          Yes, they lie about the notification, especially in order to provoke the Russian border guards to retaliate in order to scream all over the world how their aggressor offends and violates the agreement on the Sea of ​​Azov.
      3. 79807420129
        79807420129 25 November 2018 11: 48
        +1
        Quote: Rurikovich
        What we shall do?

        Quote: Serjio
        The border ship Don (Russian Federation) rammed our harbor tug, as a result of which the ship's main engine, sheathing and railings were damaged, and the life raft was lost, "the message says.

        Colleague hi Are you happy with this answer? hi
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 25 November 2018 11: 59
          +2
          Quote: 79807420129
          Are you happy with this answer?

          Me personally? To act according to your own laws without regard to the "civilized world" yes
          Defend your point of view in terms of security yes
      4. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 25 November 2018 17: 13
        0
        Quote: Serjio
        "Border ship" Don "(Russian Federation) rammed our harbor tug,

        Well neher border violate that, well?
    2. next322
      next322 25 November 2018 11: 38
      -5
      as always .... the Russian Foreign Ministry will express concern
  6. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 25 November 2018 11: 36
    +2
    Pebble, brick by brick. Good luck in operating new aircraft in the air and on the ground.
    1. vik669
      vik669 25 November 2018 16: 41
      +1
      Moreover, in Kursk there were like "Algerian" MiG-29s and now their own SUs!
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    1. Ugolek
      Ugolek 25 November 2018 13: 24
      +2

      Herald of Revius (Andrew) Today, 12:09 PM New

      -3

      Quote: Destiny
      This we have long been able to

      We know what? To ram a deliberately larger ship and almost overturn your own? Perhaps you are right, only Russia can do that.


      This is called courage, deer ..
    2. bayard
      bayard 25 November 2018 14: 58
      +3
      Donetsk.
      Belarus next year will begin to receive the Su-30. New ones. From the factory .
      And MiGs can offer a lot to anyone. At least Serbia, at least Assad ...
      1. Wolf
        Wolf 25 November 2018 22: 27
        +1
        God bless Serbia, it’s enough for us that bi rams Fu22 and F35 and blister. Only radar is new that bi beat and work.
        1. Wolf
          Wolf 25 November 2018 22: 31
          0
          And that bi Migi beat 35i and 3 eskadril!
          1. bayard
            bayard 26 November 2018 12: 03
            +1
            Donetsk.
            Join the Eurasian Union and the CSTO and you will have everything.
            Train the pilots and ask for the S-300 from availability.
            And thanks for Deck and his guys, they helped us a lot in the Donbass.
  8. wicked pinnochio
    wicked pinnochio 25 November 2018 15: 36
    +1
    why not su 35
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 25 November 2018 16: 42
      +1
      The Su-35 is more precisely a single-seat fighter, lighter since there is no need to equip a place for a second pilot, and the Su-30 is more of a fighter-bomber, it is more adapted to work on ground targets, there are two pilots, one pilots, the other manages weapons, it’s easier and more effective to hit targets on earth.

      It is not for nothing that the American F-16 Jews remake for 2 pilot pilots and a navigator ...
      1. bayard
        bayard 26 November 2018 12: 07
        0
        Donetsk.
        Su-30 is more versatile, and precisely because of the presence of the second crew member. Making a universal wagon pilot for a single-seat airplane is very difficult, long and not always good. Two crew members, when on one aerobatics and aerial combat, and on the second work on ground targets - a way out.
  9. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 25 November 2018 16: 27
    0
    Quote: vik669
    Well, the MIG-35 can take off from a drawing board, and not just that ...!


    Why are you writing nonsense ?! The MiG-35 is already embodied in a real plane, 2 prototypes have been built that have started flight tests ...

    Nobody knows what future wars will be and no one knows which aircraft will perform better in combat conditions, therefore Russia should not destroy the production of Mig-29/35 front-line fighters, but rather develop this project and conduct exercises, working out the conditions in which this aircraft can be applied, up to take-offs from unprepared GDP ...

    And active operation will contribute to the improvement of this aircraft ...
    1. vik669
      vik669 25 November 2018 19: 15
      -1
      Where are the serial MIG-35s manufactured and operated, and what kind of Mig-29/35 it can still draw. I was not familiar with the Mig-23 and Mig-27, Mig-25 and Mig-31 from the pictures, but with the Mig -29 it didn’t work out when he came I already left, but so far I’m a little aware that where where! Well, 3,14 doesn’t turn over bags; it's the fate of heavy sofa experts!
      1. vik669
        vik669 25 November 2018 19: 28
        -1
        so what is the problem can only carry nonsense? Of course, VO is not Murzilka, but this is not the place for serious discussions.
      2. bayard
        bayard 26 November 2018 12: 33
        0
        Donetsk.
        The production line for launching the MiG-35 is ready, updated and modernized, ready for the production of 36 - 39 aircraft per year ... But the tests are not completed and the radar (radar) is not yet ready - on the way.

        Heavy aircraft alone cannot take out a war, and the MiG-35 is more average than light, but it is cheaper and less sensitive to the quality of the runway. In general, we need a cheap mobilization aircraft, on one engine - easier and cheaper to maintain, easier to master ... The new MiG-21 - Kalashnikov with wings. The Sukhoi Design Bureau had groundwork for such an aircraft. Such a device would also have a very good export potential. But will our design bureaus reach, after all, Sukhoi is finishing the Su-57 and working on an unmanned aerial vehicle, the MiG over the MiG-35 and a new interceptor ... And Yakovlev’s design bureau received a task on a new vertical man, since the Product-30 gave 20 thrust tons on afterburner and on such an engine you can make a Lyalka ...
        But if there is a decision on a "mobilization" multifunctional fighter, I would bet on the Sukhoi Design Bureau - they have a good groundwork for this.
      3. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 26 November 2018 23: 32
        +1
        Do you know what to write to you? I wrote to you in Russian that the Mig-35 is already embodied in a real plane, and not just a drawing and 2 prototypes undergo flight tests, like a radar with an AFAR for it ...

        I don’t have to shake my exploits before me, I myself am a military pensioner, I served at the border post for almost 10 years in Chechnya, and I also saw how the pilots serve ...
    2. vik669
      vik669 25 November 2018 19: 30
      -1
      Well, get activated!
  10. Olegi1
    Olegi1 25 November 2018 18: 38
    +1
    When I was small, I watched with enthusiasm how the MIGs of the 25th flew there. Many and often. Oh ...
  11. vik669
    vik669 25 November 2018 19: 36
    -1
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    I think

    Yes, I agree to all 100% Wanting is not harmful; it is harmful not to want, but you need to be able to besides wanting! But there are problems with this!
  12. Radikal
    Radikal 25 November 2018 21: 54
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Another base was rearmament ... Step, step, step brothers, step ... All of Europe for three smoke breaks we went from the Volga to the Ruhr ... The song is this ... Do not think what ...

    We just didn’t pass it with a couple of planes ... sad
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