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BBC told about mercenaries from PMCs Wagner: how much truth is there in this?

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Russian service Bi-bi-si published an article about the terms of the contract, which the mercenaries allegedly enter into with Wagner's private military company (PMC) in Syria.


According to the BBC, the data was allegedly obtained from the former PMC fighter Wagner Nikolai Averin, who has already ended the contract. The former mercenary told, the PMC camp is located on the Molkino military training ground in the Krasnodar Territory. A rookie who arrives there spends three days in the camp, which are allotted for physical training and medical tests. Required drug test. Only a job application form is filled out, in which contacts of loved ones, passwords from social networks are indicated. A conversation with the security service.

BBC told about mercenaries from PMCs Wagner: how much truth is there in this?

plan of the PMC in Molkino from the BBC


The contract starts from the moment of receiving the personal token. From the same moment there is a salary. On the "filter" almost no one is delayed, everyone is disassembled by force. First of all, preference is given to specialists: mortar gunners, sappers, and drone operators. On account of the salary you can buy ammunition and first aid kit.

According to the former fighter (who leads the British), at the beginning of the fighting in Syria, business trips lasted up to six months, now exactly three months. There are no problems with going abroad. Upon arrival in the country, stamps are not put in the passport: technically, a person flies all the time on a business trip, and then returns to Russia.

According to the BBC, now the PMC fighter receives monthly 150 thousand rubles, in 2014-2015, PMC soldiers who fought in the Donbas received thousands of rubles for 80. When injured or in the case of injury, received during the conduct of hostilities, 300 thousand rubles were paid out, and in the event of death, relatives received 2 million. After the outbreak of hostilities in Syria, the death payment increased to 5 million.

It is also strange that in the interview there is not a word about “Novice”, which is so characteristic of the British media lately.

And in general, how true is the information presented by the BBC, is a separate question.

Earlier it was reported that some fighters of Russian PMCs and some veteran organizations appealed to the International Criminal Court with a demand to initiate an investigation against the organizers of the PMCs. The question of the reality of the participation of these persons in the composition of "PMCs" remains open.
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  1. Bykov.
    Bykov. 23 November 2018 18: 10
    +3
    The Air Force is still that "source".
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 23 November 2018 18: 22
      +11
      According to the BBC, the data was allegedly received from a former fighter of the Wagner PMC Nikolai Averin,

      The phrase clearly dropped out of the phrase after "allegedly received", (read) from the former. What is this "former" confirmed his words BB is silent.
      1. cniza
        cniza 23 November 2018 21: 13
        +9
        There is a "normal" information war going on and we must answer.
        1. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 24 November 2018 07: 46
          +1
          You can write the same about American mercenaries. About non-payment of monetary allowance for them, and refusal of medical rehabilitation.
          1. Nick_R
            Nick_R 24 November 2018 16: 28
            -3
            You can write the same about American mercenaries.

            Everybody heard about the American mercenaries. It is they who are fighting for money, and American propaganda denies this.
            But we are not like that. Here, people in camouflage fly to Syria exclusively for tourist purposes and for their money.
            PS. Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 359. Mercenary
            3. The participation of a mercenary in armed conflict or hostilities -

            shall be punished by imprisonment for a term of three to seven years with restriction of freedom for a term of up to one year, or without it.

            Note. A mercenary is a person who is acting for the purpose of receiving material remuneration and who is not a citizen of a state participating in an armed conflict or military actions, who does not reside permanently on its territory, and who is not a person who is assigned to perform official duties.
      2. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 23 November 2018 23: 40
        +1
        Quote: Tersky
        What is this "ex" confirmed his words BB is silent

        Any news can be tampered with. There is not a single confirmation that everyone could believe

        Nature has given you an analytical tool - the brain. Compare the facts from different sources, compare. If there are too many news and details on the selected issue - an occasion to think, and then the BBC has nothing to do with it

        Of course, the Ministry of Defense and Konashenkov never openly admit it, this is contrary to their interest group.
    2. Comrade Beria
      Comrade Beria 23 November 2018 18: 48
      +14
      And then about this case will be trumpeted by Bibishi (s) V.S. Vysotsky

      It has long been, and how relevant.
      1. vik669
        vik669 23 November 2018 19: 56
        +7
        And further. Dress freshly and at the exhibition in the Manege
        A man with a suitcase will approach you. He will say:
        Would you like cherries? - You will answer: - Of course. -
        He will give you a loaf of explosives - bring me a loaf
      2. Machito
        Machito 23 November 2018 20: 28
        0
        Directly removed from the tongue.
        Why should Russia not have its own private security committees like the USA?
        We have our own geopolitical interests. The United Nations is not a decree for us: we have a veto.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 23 November 2018 22: 07
          0
          Why should Russia not have its own private security committees like the USA?
          Well, at least because the Constitution is prohibited. And then that strange desire to be like the USA. If someone raped your friend, why not become a rapist?
          1. Consultant
            Consultant 23 November 2018 22: 11
            +2
            Quote: Gardamir
            Why should Russia not have its own private security committees like the USA?
            Well, at least because the Constitution is prohibited

            Give the article of the Constitution, which is "prohibited". Please be kind.
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 23 November 2018 22: 20
              -3
              Bring the article of the Constitution, which is "prohibited"
              Well, as it were necessary to be more curious, after all, the basic law.
              Section One. Chapter one. Article Thirteen Point Five.
              The creation and activity of public associations whose goals or actions are aimed at changing the foundations of the constitutional system and violating the integrity of the Russian Federation, undermining the security of the state, creating armed groups, inciting social, racial, national and religious hatred are prohibited.
              1. Consultant
                Consultant 23 November 2018 22: 23
                +3
                Quote: Gardamir
                Section One. Chapter one. Article Thirteen Fifth point

                Thanks. And now, please - explain: where does the PMC actually have to do with it? The same "Wagner" notorious - and?
                1. The comment was deleted.
                  1. Consultant
                    Consultant 23 November 2018 23: 15
                    0
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    creation of armed formations

                    What you restless ... PMCs in the Russian Federation are created only under state control. In no other form can they simply exist.

                    The state does not create "illegal armed groups". Only "legal" laughing
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 24 November 2018 08: 10
                      +3
                      Quote: Consultant
                      PMCs in the Russian Federation are created only under state control

                      what did you say there?
                      But can an article from the law on PMCs? !!!
              2. Warrior Hamilton
                Warrior Hamilton 24 November 2018 09: 41
                +2
                "Wild geese" have always been on the wing of intelligence and all kinds of headquarters for "special operations" And the constitution ........ I went to Belovezhskaya Pushcha at night, and in the morning I arrived with a new constitution - it’s unprecedented ....... ...
                1. Warrior Hamilton
                  Warrior Hamilton 26 November 2018 00: 22
                  0
                  The Constitution is not the Tablets of the Mosaic Testament, nor the Quran, nor the Bible.
                  Another drunk or some sort of Shvarnadza will trumpet: "Here you have sovereignty!" And will distribute the Krasnoyarsk Territory with Sakhalin. The new constitution will write: "ShoB he had everything, but he had nothing for it." Partners will approve!
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 23 November 2018 22: 40
              +3
              Quote: Consultant
              Give the article of the Constitution, which is "prohibited". Please be kind.

              legally for today it is FORBIDDEN

              The Russian government sent a negative review to the State Duma on the bill on the activities of private military companies (PMCs).

              In the corresponding conclusion of the Cabinet of Ministers, which is at the disposal of "Interfax", it is noted that the government does not support this initiative.

              The provisions of the bill defining the activities of private military and military security organizations contradict Part 5 of Article 13 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, according to which the creation and activities of public associations, the goals and actions of which are aimed at creating armed groups, are prohibited, the statement says.

              It also states that according to Article 71 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, issues of defense and security, war and peace, foreign policy and international relations of the Russian Federation are under the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation.

              "The government of the Russian Federation does not support the bill," the conclusion says.

              They did not support this draft law in the Ministry of Defense of Russia, the Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, and also in a number of other law enforcement agencies, in particular in the Russian Guard, the FSB, SVR, and FSO. The General Prosecutor and the Ministry of Justice of Russia also opposed.
              1. Consultant
                Consultant 23 November 2018 22: 43
                -6
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                legally for today it is FORBIDDEN

                Man, you, as usual, answer the wrong question. Yes, and the question that is not asked to you.

                You better tell about the exam laughing

                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                USE idiocy

                Here about it, for example. And about how the Unified State Examination prevents students in the village from entering the capital’s universities. I will listen to you with great interest.

                And about PMCs and the Constitution - it’s better not to, it’s not yours laughing
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 23 November 2018 22: 47
                  -1
                  Apparently, your knowledge is just at the level of the Unified State Examination, the first you said that PMCs are not prohibited by the constitution, which is far from the case, then forgive me, but I'm not my friend, and lastly you don’t want your dispute to be seen - argue in PM
                  Quote: Consultant
                  And about how the Unified State Examination prevents students in the village from entering the capital’s universities.

                  did not try to think?
                  try, it may work
                  I never said what was in the way, I rejected the statement, which helps, catch the difference or not?
                  1. Consultant
                    Consultant 23 November 2018 23: 01
                    -2
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    you said PMCs are not prohibited by the constitution

                    I did not say that. I asked the interlocutor to show an article in the Constitution of the Russian Federation prohibiting the existence of PMCs (I know that there is no such article). The interlocutor showed, but showed something irrelevant. That's all for now.

                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    your knowledge is just at the level of the exam ... did not try to think? try can get

                    I already asked you a question, I repeat: are you constructively unable to speak at all, or are you pretending to be talented?

                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    I never said what was in the way, I rejected the statement that helps

                    You have already said so much that you are confused in the evidence. Calm down already, the conversation is not about that at all ... and not with you.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 23 November 2018 23: 08
                      +2
                      Quote: Consultant
                      I did not say that. I asked the interlocutor to show an article in the Constitution of the Russian Federation prohibiting the existence of PMCs

                      you will be surprised, but the constitution does not prohibit prostitution and many other things
                      what?
                      do you think this is allowed? !!!!
                      Quote: Consultant
                      You have already said so much that you are confused in the evidence. Calm down already, the conversation is not about that at all ... and not with you.

                      you didn’t even stand in line of those who can advise me, let alone indicate something
                      1. Consultant
                        Consultant 23 November 2018 23: 13
                        0
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        the constitution does not prohibit prostitution and many other things

                        Correctly. Therefore, it is wrong to say that "prostitution is prohibited by the Constitution". It is also wrong to say that

                        Quote: Gardamir
                        Why should Russia not have its own private security committees like the USA?

                        Well, at least because it is prohibited in the Constitution

                        So understandable, I hope?

                        The interlocutor, by the way, realized that he got excited, and disappeared somewhere. Instead, the minusers came, and they are sculpting minuses to me. The argument is, of course, compelling laughing

                        I ended up with you, good luck hi
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 23 November 2018 23: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: Consultant
                        I ended up with you, good luck

                        don't be rude
                    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 23 November 2018 23: 24
                      +3
                      Quote: Consultant
                      I did not say that. I asked the interlocutor to show an article in the Constitution of the Russian Federation prohibiting the existence of PMCs


                      The provisions of the bill defining the activities of private military and military security organizations contradict Part 5 of Article 13 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, according to which the creation and activities of public associations, the goals and actions of which are aimed at creating armed groups, are prohibited, the statement says.

                      It also states that according to Article 71 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, issues of defense and security, war and peace, foreign policy and international relations of the Russian Federation are under the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation


                      this is the conclusion of the Cabinet
        2. snake
          snake 23 November 2018 22: 11
          +2
          Quote: Bearded
          Why should Russia not have its own private security committees like the USA?

          And why not Russia protect its PMCs physically, legally and socially, like the United States? Yes, PMCs mercenaries, soldiers of fortune, wild geese and more, but they did not fall from the moon, no? These are former airborne troops, special forces, marines and motorized rifles who may not have been able to adapt to the meager civilian salaries of Putin's Russia, and who decided to earn a more worthy reward for what they can do? Is the servicemen guilty that their homeland could not create normal conditions for a peaceful life?
          1. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 24 November 2018 07: 48
            -1
            -And why not Russia protect its PMCs physically, legally and socially, like the United States? -

            The size of the budget is different. Then you have to cut back the remnants of benefits for the military again by Serdyukovsky.
        3. Santa Fe
          Santa Fe 23 November 2018 23: 42
          0
          Quote: Bearded
          Why should Russia not have its own private security committees like the USA?

          Then how will "good" differ from "evil"?
        4. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 24 November 2018 07: 47
          +1
          -And why shouldn't Russia have its own PMCs like the USA? -

          This case will undermine the contractual recruitment program for the Armed Forces. and to the National Guard of the Russian Federation.
        5. Nick_R
          Nick_R 24 November 2018 16: 32
          0
          Why should Russia not have its own private security committees like the USA?

          The answer to your question is provided by Article 359 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation
      3. Decimam
        Decimam 24 November 2018 00: 09
        +1
        How to cope with the stupidity of a fool? You can’t say a word to him; It’s easier for another person, But he’s wiser in the life of another. He is all overwhelmed, And he sees it all in vain: And he stupidly loves, And he stupidly hates. E. Baratynsky. Also a long time ago. And also very relevant.
    3. private person
      private person 23 November 2018 19: 34
      +4
      But the plan of the area is real, and on the highway itself, a stop at this place is prohibited by "Avtomagistral". The base location is perfect.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 23 November 2018 20: 06
        +3
        Yes, almost immediately after Krasnodar along the highway to Goryachiy Klyuch.
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 23 November 2018 22: 42
        -1
        Quote: private person

        But the terrain plan is real

        But how did you determine this?
        1. private person
          private person 24 November 2018 09: 30
          +1
          But I see my barracks.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 24 November 2018 09: 34
            0
            go to Yandex cards and you will see the same
            1. private person
              private person 24 November 2018 10: 00
              0
              I didn’t go in. Everything is white and white.
      3. meandr51
        meandr51 24 November 2018 18: 09
        -1
        It is only unknown what this base is and whose it is. You never know in Russia restricted areas. Bibisi found a church, a monument, whose office it is not clear, and came up with a couple of "witnesses" that no one saw. Conclusion - nonsense.
        Now, if they introduced a person who would bring documents and unambiguous videos, then another story. so, for example, did the Soviet intelligence service with Radio Liberty.
        1. private person
          private person 24 November 2018 19: 29
          +1
          Go to those parts there to the 80 km coast of the sea, ask the locals about Molkino and they will tell you what's what. And the photo shows the barracks of the former military unit 11754.
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      1. private person
        private person 23 November 2018 21: 27
        +5
        Well, besides Solovyov and Kisilev, no one should be trusted.
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          1. KCA
            KCA 24 November 2018 07: 06
            +1
            In fact, Solovyov is the owner of factories, cars and steamers in the United States, and he never hid it, I do not know how many millions of American rubles he has, but it is quite enough to live without handouts from the "bloody Putin regime"
            1. Russian
              Russian 24 November 2018 18: 20
              -1
              How did you earn it?
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 23 November 2018 22: 42
          0
          why, can you believe Albats and Latin
        3. meandr51
          meandr51 24 November 2018 18: 11
          +1
          This is your business. I think only the last part of your phrase is correct. All allegations must be proven.
    6. 210ox
      210ox 23 November 2018 20: 04
      +5
      I’m the only one who can confirm that Molkino is a serious object. I often go to the village.
      1. private person
        private person 23 November 2018 21: 19
        0
        Military town "Fairy Tale"?
      2. LMN
        LMN 23 November 2018 22: 16
        +2
        Quote: 210ox
        I’m the only one who can confirm that Molkino is a serious object. I often go to the village.

        How long has this object existed? hi
        1. 210ox
          210ox 24 November 2018 18: 14
          0
          Seven years ago I moved to the Kuban. The landfill was there. I did not ask the people who live there longer than me for how long it exists. But apparently it was still based on the Soviet military unit.
          1. LMN
            LMN 24 November 2018 19: 28
            +2
            Quote: 210ox
            Seven years ago I moved to the Kuban. The landfill was there. I did not ask the people who live there longer than me for how long it exists. But apparently it was still based on the Soviet military unit.

            Thanks for the answer hi
            I also lean towards the "old military unit" ..
            Yes, even if it is abandoned, there is no one to "train" ?!
            RF is actually a "superpower" wink
    7. New Year day
      New Year day 23 November 2018 20: 57
      +4
      Quote: Bulls.
      The Air Force is still that "source".

      it is hard to believe in the denial of the possible only by such argumentation.
      Most likely this is the place to be. If we have capitalism, then why aren’t all its vices and charms possible?
      The thing is. what we consider a vice and what is the norm.
      1. Andrey Chistyakov
        Andrey Chistyakov 23 November 2018 21: 11
        +1
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Bulls.
        The Air Force is still that "source".

        it is hard to believe in the denial of the possible only by such argumentation.
        Most likely this is the place to be. If we have capitalism, then why aren’t all its vices and charms possible?
        The thing is. what we consider a vice and what is the norm.

        Because they creaked ...
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 23 November 2018 21: 17
          +8
          Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
          Because they creaked ...

          tell me. and our media are sinless?
          Do you believe Kisilev, Soloviev, Popov with Skabeeva, Brilev, Sheinin and now Strizhenova?
          They broadcast to us about the wild West, and there they are crowded by families. Where do they live and where do they work?
          Media is an instrument in the hands of the authorities
          1. Andrey Chistyakov
            Andrey Chistyakov 23 November 2018 21: 20
            -2
            Quote: Silvestr
            Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
            Because they creaked ...

            tell me. and our media are sinless?
            Do you believe Kisilev, Soloviev, Popov with Skabeeva, Brilev, Sheinin and now Strizhenova?
            They broadcast to us about the wild West, and there they are crowded by families. Where do they live and where do they work?

            Faith is deeply personal.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 23 November 2018 21: 21
              +6
              I agree with that. But on what do we base our actions on election day? On faith, on hope, on love?
              1. Andrey Chistyakov
                Andrey Chistyakov 23 November 2018 21: 23
                +4
                Quote: Silvestr
                I agree with that. But on what do we base our actions on election day? On faith, on hope, on love?

                How did the West promise us in the 90s "life like theirs"? And after that I have to believe them ?!
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 23 November 2018 21: 24
                  +1
                  Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
                  How did the West promise us in the 90s "life like theirs"?

                  apparently I missed it.
                  Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
                  And after that I have to believe them ?!

                  free cheese only in a mousetrap
                  1. Andrey Chistyakov
                    Andrey Chistyakov 23 November 2018 21: 27
                    +3
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
                    How did the West promise us in the 90s "life like theirs"?

                    apparently I missed it.
                    Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
                    And after that I have to believe them ?!

                    free cheese only in a mousetrap

                    What you missed does not mean that it was not. By the way, look at the neighbors. Well, those who have "2nd yoke in yavrop." They are still promised.
                    1. New Year day
                      New Year day 23 November 2018 21: 33
                      +3
                      and who promised you? I was bypassed at this moment
                      1. Andrey Chistyakov
                        Andrey Chistyakov 23 November 2018 21: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        and who promised you? I was bypassed at this moment

                        I’m glad for you to get around. Good luck.
    8. Normal ok
      Normal ok 24 November 2018 21: 08
      0
      Quote: Bulls.
      The Air Force is still that "source".

      In any case, more reliable than Solovyov and Kiselyov.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 23 November 2018 18: 10
    +10
    Something talkatively strong this Averin ... they don’t take such people into this structure ... under any circumstances ... they have a clause in the contract that even a random talk can be paid a lot.
    It is not clear where the Air Force sucked this information from.

    In general, the problem of PMCs must be solved in the legal plane, this problem is brewing ...
    the idea of ​​creating an analogue of the French foreign legion is in the air ... wait and see.
    1. Underwater hunter
      Underwater hunter 23 November 2018 18: 24
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Something talkatively strong Averin ... they don’t take such people into this structure ... under any circumstances ... they have a clause in the contract that even a random talk can be paid a lot. It is not clear where the Air Force sent this information.


      Even if this is so, I don’t see anything sensational, the United States, the French, have been using this practice for a long time, which makes us worse ..
      1. Astronaut
        Astronaut 23 November 2018 18: 52
        +5
        what are we worse

        So much the worse that our "servants" on Okhotny Ryad have wrapped up the law on PMCs
      2. Herald of the Revolution
        Herald of the Revolution 23 November 2018 19: 01
        -2
        Quote: Underwater Hunter
        I see nothing sensational

        The article by the way is far from complete. He also spoke in it about the large number of dead Wagnerites from the American strike in Syria.
        1. Fungus
          Fungus 23 November 2018 19: 35
          -9
          11 people is not a large number. And just do it, he was not a former chevkshnik turned out.
          1. Herald of the Revolution
            Herald of the Revolution 23 November 2018 19: 52
            0
            Quote: Fungus
            11 people is not a large number.

            In that interview, he talked about a large number of victims, did not name the number, he simply said that a lot. And from the American strike, for example, 200 Wagnerites were killed (not counting the wounded). This figure Secretary of State Pompeo named in the Senate at the hearing, and in the American Senate, if anyone is not aware, it is not accepted to lie.
            1. Fungus
              Fungus 23 November 2018 19: 59
              +4
              In the Senate is not accepted to lie? Made laugh. Killed 11 people. No evidence has been provided for 200-300. And they will not provide. Fake because.
              1. Herald of the Revolution
                Herald of the Revolution 23 November 2018 20: 05
                -6
                Quote: Fungus
                No evidence has been provided for 200-300.

                In general, they presented the senators, they simply did not show the public, "so as not to heat up the situation," as it was later said.
                1. Fungus
                  Fungus 23 November 2018 20: 07
                  +7
                  Are you serious? Yes, the Americans would have provided the first facts of the deaths of hundreds of fighters to naughty Russians. But alas, no. Fake and Africa fake. Even Strelkov admitted that he lied about 300 dead. Rather, his type was not so informed)
                  1. Herald of the Revolution
                    Herald of the Revolution 23 November 2018 20: 31
                    -3
                    Quote: Fungus
                    to naughty Russians.

                    I think they were just afraid to provoke a retaliatory aggression .... Russia suddenly decided to announce that "they are not there" and the Americans decided not to insist.
                    Quote: Fungus
                    Fake and Africa fake.

                    In the press, there were still many shots from the place of the bombing, on which white men alternated with the Syrians. And Russian passports were also shown, you can check it yourself, all of this is googled on the screen.
                    1. Fungus
                      Fungus 23 November 2018 20: 39
                      0
                      Yes no one denies there was a fight. 11 of our Chevks were killed.
                    2. igorbrsv
                      igorbrsv 24 November 2018 07: 30
                      +1
                      ... Russia suddenly decided to announce that "they are not there" and the Americans decided not to insist.

                      When our Defense Ministry announced the interception of two-thirds of the Tomahawks over Syria, the Americans said that this was not, the Russian Federation decided not to insist wassat
                2. igorbrsv
                  igorbrsv 23 November 2018 20: 11
                  +1
                  Well, yes. "The Senators were presented." They just didn't show the others. Have you heard a joke about virtual reality? About three prostitutes and one old one, you know who
                  1. Herald of the Revolution
                    Herald of the Revolution 23 November 2018 20: 34
                    -4
                    Quote: igorbrsv
                    They just didn’t show the rest.

                    Anyway, the press showed a lot of things, just officially the US Defense Ministry did not comment on this.
            2. KCA
              KCA 24 November 2018 07: 17
              +2
              200 selected fighters died at once? Are they covered by GBU-43? Or, according to Russian tradition, did they all sit in a bathhouse with bears, balalaikas, vodka and whores?
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 23 November 2018 21: 10
            +7
            Quote: Fungus
            11 people is not a large number.

            I think that there will be more. there are already 9 names in the picture
        2. Underwater hunter
          Underwater hunter 23 November 2018 19: 36
          +1
          Quote: Herald of Revy
          Quote: Underwater Hunter
          I see nothing sensational

          The article by the way is far from complete. He also spoke in it about the large number of dead Wagnerites from the American strike in Syria.

          So what? These people made their choice and didn’t make it at gunpoint ..
        3. AndreyS
          AndreyS 24 November 2018 06: 37
          +1
          Quote: Herald of Revia
          He also spoke in it about the large number of dead Wagnerites from the American strike in Syria.

          Ndaaaa. A month ago I talked with a taxi driver in the Rostov region, the same "Wagnerovtsy" talked about a salary of 300 thousand, etc. He introduced himself as the commander of an assault company))) At the same time, he could hardly fit between the steering wheel and the seat, he was so "thin". So he told the same about the losses "... our Americans put as many as 200 people there, but we then took revenge on them fifteen hundred and banged ..." I asked the locals what kind of people. The answer is n ... n theorist. Apparently BBS found exactly this (that the stories are very similar). And they almost correctly described the Molkino test site, but this is not a secret test site.
    2. Vladimir 5
      Vladimir 5 23 November 2018 18: 28
      +21
      Averin did not tell anything secret, MI6 and the CIA know everything, even more ordinary "Averins" ... The fact that in the Russian Federation the media and the Ministry of Defense feed people with lies and rumors, that's where the problem lies, and the Air Force is even doing useful work here ... Long ago the USSR and the unity of power with the people ended, now capitalism has its own laws, and the people already need to defend their rights, For heroes are dying, and they are secretly buried like criminals, claiming that there were no such people ... the Wagnerites (the other 12 died) near Palmyra, they did not ransom it, did not move, but left them to be torn apart by the militants (and why worry, because they were not there, - an excuse on duty ...) ... There is a lot of such unsightly, that's what we need such news and efforts, because without demand for the actions of bureaucrats will continue to spit on everything ...,
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 23 November 2018 18: 31
        +3
        I remember the shots about the capture of two Wagnerites (the remaining 12 were killed) near Palmyra, they didn’t buy it, they didn’t move, but they left it to the militants to be torn to pieces (and what to worry about, because they weren’t there, is a duty excuse ...) ...

        There is a whole video ... of militants with the bodies of our guys ... not for the faint of heart ... they died as real soldiers in battle and I don’t understand why our law treats them so badly.
        They are doing work that our authorities cannot do for a variety of reasons.
        1. igorbrsv
          igorbrsv 23 November 2018 20: 49
          +4
          Not a bad attitude towards them. But they are not officially. And they knew what they were doing. If Angola pays them tomorrow, will they go? Where are the national interests here? They just bought them. They just "paid"
      2. Underwater hunter
        Underwater hunter 23 November 2018 18: 44
        0
        Quote: Vladimir 5
        For a long time the USSR and the unity of power with the people ended, now capitalism with its own laws, and the people already need to defend their rights, For heroes die, and they are secretly buried like criminals, declaring that there were none ...

        Indeed, to bury heroes as criminals is up cynicism .. and most importantly, why? What will change if a person is buried with honors and with wording, when performing a secret operation ..
      3. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 23 November 2018 19: 18
        +3
        and in what country do private owners generally say something? they themselves are not eager to talk about their work. as for this gentleman, it’s at least strange, because if he is paid so well, why did he ditch everything for ever and ever? he is or or strange. everything else is generally lyrics, well, are they and what? mercenaries at all times have been and will be. they don’t want to serve in the regular army, so let them run quietly somewhere. all deeply do not care about their losses.
      4. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 23 November 2018 19: 33
        -5
        What other heroes ??? You think what you say. With what joy mercenaries became heroes ?! They bury them like that for civilians. Honor them with what joy to show ?! We look at some point, everything is mixed up. Officers heroes, mercenaries fighting for grandmothers suddenly also became them. Tomorrow they will go to some sort of local Congo to drive you what will you call them?
        1. Underwater hunter
          Underwater hunter 23 November 2018 19: 42
          +5
          Quote: Bull Terrier
          What other heroes ??? You think what you say. With what joy mercenaries became heroes ?! They bury them like that for civilians.

          Our army is now half-contracted and receive remuneration for work, there are operations where a regular army cannot be used, but the tasks of this operation can be of state importance .. I mean, everyone works for money, someone works, someone serves, we live under capitalism .. and it’s important here, not only that the mercenaries and contract soldiers receive money, but what tasks they perform, if the mercenary died performing a task of national importance, then he is a hero .. If he defends the interests of a corporation, then it’s clear that he is not a hero .. Although our state is already a corporation now ..
          1. Bull Terrier
            Bull Terrier 23 November 2018 19: 55
            -3
            contractual and hired are two big differences. not only in tasks but in one of the aspects important for a military person. oaths to the state. the obligation to fulfill orders. For their ignoring to receive the most severe punishment. How does this relate to a mercenary? Bonuses will be deprived?
            1. Underwater hunter
              Underwater hunter 23 November 2018 19: 57
              0
              Quote: Bull Terrier
              contractual and hired are two big differences. not only in tasks but in one of the most important aspects for a military person. oaths to the state. the obligation to fulfill orders. For their ignoring to receive the most severe punishment. How does this relate to a mercenary? Bonuses will be deprived?

              The oath is given once and for life. And the mercenaries are former soldiers of the regular army.
              I, (surname, name, patronymic) solemnly swear allegiance to my Fatherland-the Russian Federation. I swear sacredly to observe the Constitution of the Russian Federation, to strictly comply with the requirements of military manuals, orders of commanders and commanders. I swear to fulfill the military duty with dignity, courageously defend the freedom, independence and constitutional system of Russia, the people and the Fatherland.
              1. Bull Terrier
                Bull Terrier 23 November 2018 20: 01
                -1
                and? PMC employees will drop positions who will do what to them? scolded? when serving in the Moscow Region, you bear all responsibility for the people’s equipment and tasks for the state. and who are they in front of? ooh horns and hooves?
      5. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 23 November 2018 20: 17
        0
        The heroes did not know where they were going? They wanted money. Why are you not there? You can not? Maybe. Or is there a head on the shoulders?
      6. New Year day
        New Year day 23 November 2018 21: 12
        +2
        Quote: Vladimir 5
        I recall the footage of the capture of two Wagnerites (the remaining 12 died) near Palmyra

        “Today I met with an old friend who completed his one-year contract with PMC“ Wagner ”.

        In the same company, which, storming (instead of the Syrians) Deir ez-Zor, who was surrounded, lost more than half of the personnel, two company and all platoon commanders. I will not disclose the company number, but everyone who is “in the know” knows him anyway.

        I haven’t heard anything particularly new. Unless, some specifics on the losses of Wagner over the past year (at the end of November - 210 “two hundredths” and three times more than “three hundredths” - and, more specifically, in the infantry of this PMC “every fifth” was “two hundred”).

        I'm not sure, by the way, that these statistics are complete. "
        Girkin-Strelkov
    3. svp67
      svp67 23 November 2018 18: 35
      +3
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      then this Averin is talkative strongly ... they don’t take these into this structure ...

      And what are they taking? A man goes to fight for money, not for an idea, but for money, and then he was actually paid for the conversation. To become a mercenary in PMCs you need a certain adventurous character warehouse, such people can do a lot and how do you not check them
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 23 November 2018 18: 39
        +5
        And what are they taking? A man goes to fight for money, not for an idea, but for money, and then he was actually paid for the conversation. To become a mercenary in PMCs you need a certain adventurous character warehouse, such people can do a lot and how do you not check them


        smile Well, imagine that you are the commander of such a unit and your fighter accidentally or intentionally blundered too much about you and your unit ...
        Do you need this? ... here, by definition, you need to weed out people who create the same problem for you.
        In addition, the customer will be unhappy with the poorly done work ... information leakage in this case can only be allowed intentionally.
        1. svp67
          svp67 23 November 2018 18: 42
          +2
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          here, by definition, you need to weed out people who create the same problem for you.

          Of course, only "work needs to be done", and there is no queue of applicants. They take whoever they have, the most outspoken chatterboxes, of course, they filter out, but this one apparently turned out to be smarter. The contract worked out, received the money and decided to move to the West, so "citizenship is working out"
        2. Mr Credo
          Mr Credo 23 November 2018 19: 14
          +2
          This fighter did not say anything special. To talk too much? This will call back everyone about their whereabouts and movement. It is doubtful that there are such nonsense people there. Although gouging of course enough. Did the BBC learn something new? It is doubtful. Those who need it know without them.
        3. New Year day
          New Year day 23 November 2018 20: 48
          +2
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Information leakage may

          also in the dissatisfaction of the salary paid
        4. 1 Navigator
          1 Navigator 24 November 2018 08: 44
          0
          Here you are wrong. Remember the Israeli special forces.
    4. Baloo
      Baloo 23 November 2018 20: 19
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      In general, the problem of PMCs must be solved in the legal plane, this problem is brewing ...

      Far from the topic, but support.
    5. Terenin
      Terenin 23 November 2018 21: 16
      +6
      [quote = The same LEKHA] Something this Averin is talkative strongly ... they don’t take such people into this structure ... under any circumstances ... they have a clause in the contract that you can pay a lot for even random talk.
      It is not clear where the Air Force sucked this information from.

      A similar "blizzard" back in 2016. was: "... In its documentary material, Sky News relied on the words of the Russians, who introduced themselves as Alexander and Dmitry. They claimed that for financial reward they took part in the battles on the side of the Syrian government army, and they were delivered to the Arab Republic on military aircraft.
      NTV journalists found the so-called mercenary Dmitry, who turned out to be an actor in the Moscow theater-workshop Oleg Budankov.
      "He was paid for the interview, and the text of the speech was written in advance," - says the publication of the TV channel ... "
    6. LMN
      LMN 23 November 2018 23: 12
      +2
      Quote: The same Lech
      Something talkatively strong this Averin ... they don’t take such people into this structure ... under any circumstances ... they have a clause in the contract that even a random talk can be paid a lot.
      It is not clear where the Air Force sucked this information from.

      He also asked this question, only a little in a different plane.
      Since Averin does not hide his name, why not show the contract then? request At least some kind of "meat" for the mill of accusations, but then all water and water .. what

      And by the way about the contract.
      In fact, in the Russian Federation, this is just a piece of paper, does not have legal force. The only way it can be used as evidence of criminal activity. This is the same as going to rob a bank and sign an agreement with an "employer", and when you were wounded during a robbery and then thrown , are you going to court with this piece of paper? lol
      People essentially risk twice:
      50/50 that you will be alive.
      50/50 that you get something, because in the event of a dispute, there is nowhere to go .. request

      Something doesn’t believe that hundreds of people are going to risk themselves like this on "my word of honor" No.
      1. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 24 November 2018 07: 47
        0
        They are coming. They also play in casinos and also hope for something. Seven deaths cannot happen, but one cannot be avoided. This is our Russian proverb
        1. LMN
          LMN 24 November 2018 07: 54
          +2
          Quote: igorbrsv
          They are coming. They also play in casinos and also hope for something. Seven deaths cannot happen, but one cannot be avoided. This is our Russian proverb

          Nonsense !! Guys won't go for "air", your contract ...
          1. igorbrsv
            igorbrsv 24 November 2018 07: 57
            0
            Only three of my friends wanted to leave for the French legion (or whatever). One is gone. They haven’t heard anything about him yet.
            1. LMN
              LMN 24 November 2018 08: 09
              +3
              Quote: igorbrsv
              Only three of my friends wanted to leave for the French legion (or whatever). One is gone. They haven’t heard anything about him yet.

              Your friend, you dunce! yes so tell him from a Russian wink
              1. igorbrsv
                igorbrsv 24 November 2018 08: 10
                -1
                What's wrong? Don't understand sarcasm
                1. LMN
                  LMN 24 November 2018 08: 23
                  +3
                  Quote: igorbrsv
                  What's wrong? Don't understand sarcasm

                  Why the Russian Federation some PMCs?! Why? They themselves can solve their problems? Or can not?
                  1. igorbrsv
                    igorbrsv 24 November 2018 08: 30
                    +1
                    It also seems to me to nothing. The policy of the Russian Federation is carried out quite officially. If someone wants to become a mercenary, he will be paid by the interested state, and not our Moscow Region. If our state is interested, then at the maximum it will provide a loan to the interested state.
                    1. LMN
                      LMN 24 November 2018 08: 42
                      +3
                      Quote: igorbrsv
                      It also seems to me to nothing. The policy of the Russian Federation is carried out quite officially. If someone wants to become a mercenary, he will be paid by the interested state, and not our Moscow Region. If our state is interested, then at the maximum it will provide a loan to the interested state.

                      Well, let some PMC pay another state!
                      What is the problem???
                      Russia does not pay mercenaries !!!
                      Hack on the nose!))
                2. igorbrsv
                  igorbrsv 24 November 2018 08: 24
                  +1
                  The fact that the goof and possibly already "was" is for sure. But that was true in the nineties, or the beginning of the 2000s. He wanted a "long" ruble and citizenship
                  1. LMN
                    LMN 24 November 2018 09: 00
                    +1
                    Quote: igorbrsv
                    The fact that the goof and possibly already "was" is for sure. But that was true in the nineties, or the beginning of the 2000s. He wanted a "long" ruble and citizenship

                    Ie .you acknowledge the lack of PMCs in the Russian Federation? smile
                    1. igorbrsv
                      igorbrsv 24 November 2018 09: 05
                      -1
                      We do not have PMCs. I admit the existence of certain groups of people who want to die for money, having a coordinator
                      1. LMN
                        LMN 24 November 2018 09: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: igorbrsv
                        We do not have PMCs. Before crying let the existence of certain groups of people wishing to die for money, having a coordinator

                        It's possible lol Let them exist! And even let them participate somewhere, heroize and die.
                        There are no PMCs in the Russian Federation!, And if necessary, they will be made yes and no one will ask anyone No.

                        Enough already to carry nonsense ... am
    7. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 24 November 2018 07: 51
      -2
      - they don’t take such a structure-

      Everyone is taken there. This is not a detachment of astronauts, and not the Military Diplomatic Academy. They are especially expelled from the Armed Forces and from law enforcement agencies. Including for a long language.
    8. Nick_R
      Nick_R 24 November 2018 16: 36
      0
      they have a clause in the contract that even random can be paid a lot.

      So there was no contract. Or do you think otherwise?
    9. private person
      private person 24 November 2018 16: 58
      +2
      Talkative? Yes, he didn’t tell anything about that, he talked about the fact that without it more than once flashed on the Internet and here in VO. The question of how these came to him did not shout that he was from the PMC. Otherwise, they would shut his mouth. Do you personally know a lot of people from PMCs?
  3. ludayesc
    ludayesc 23 November 2018 18: 22
    +7
    The BBC just rummaged through the net, looked at Yandex maps and came up with this "interview". And they came up with a name for the former. In short - dreamers. I don't believe a bit. After the Skripals, I don’t believe the British media at all.
    1. Herald of the Revolution
      Herald of the Revolution 23 November 2018 19: 05
      -11
      Quote: ludayesc
      and came up with this "interview"

      They brought a bunch of facts there, so prove if at least one of the facts is a lie? If I were you, I would have less confidence in the Russian Defense Ministry. hi
      1. Fungus
        Fungus 23 November 2018 19: 37
        +1
        Does everyone need to believe the BBC? Thanks to these fake news, only people like you believe.
        1. Herald of the Revolution
          Herald of the Revolution 23 November 2018 19: 54
          -3
          Quote: Fungus
          Does everyone need to believe the BBC?

          Everyone needs to believe the facts, and common sense is desirable. hi
          1. Fungus
            Fungus 23 November 2018 20: 00
            +4
            Unfortunately, no facts were provided. Therefore, there is no faith ...
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            1. igorbrsv
              igorbrsv 24 November 2018 07: 53
              +1
              If there is even a tattoo on the corpse in the form of a contract with the MO, we will believe
          3. LMN
            LMN 23 November 2018 23: 23
            +3
            Quote: Herald of Revy
            Quote: Fungus
            Does everyone need to believe the BBC?

            Everyone needs to believe the facts, and common sense is desirable. hi

            And what is common sense in this story? request
            Is that hundreds of people going to risk their lives without any guarantees of money?
            That's the whole point, that there is no common sense from the word at all!
            A bunch of "facts" is a satellite photo of a certain military center on the territory of the Russian Federation! This is an indisputable fact, of course winked Where does the largest country on the planet, with the "second" strongest Army (according to the West) have a military center? belay Of course PMCs .. am
        2. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 24 November 2018 07: 51
          0
          You have to believe your head.
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 23 November 2018 20: 19
        +3
        Quote: Herald of Revy
        Quote: ludayesc
        and came up with this "interview"

        They brought a bunch of facts there, so prove if at least one of the facts is a lie? If I were you, I would have less confidence in the Russian Defense Ministry. hi

        Nobody believes like you here.
      3. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 24 November 2018 07: 50
        +2
        . They brought a bunch of facts there, so prove if at least one of the facts is a lie?

        Like, prove that you're not a camel?
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    3. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 23 November 2018 19: 19
      +9
      Why don’t I believe !? There are those who want to go to Syria. They ride for three months. Why? For ideological reasons? No. Purely financial. Earn dough, give loans.
      1. LMN
        LMN 23 November 2018 23: 25
        +1
        Quote: Mr Credo
        Why don’t I believe !? There are those who want to go to Syria. They ride for three months. Why? For ideological reasons? No. Purely financial. Earn dough, give loans.

        Make money? Where are the guarantees that you will get your money?
        Would you go in these conditions?)
        1. Mr Credo
          Mr Credo 23 November 2018 23: 31
          +3
          But people go and return, others go after them. Someone is brought in coffins. But there are enough people who want to go.
          1. LMN
            LMN 23 November 2018 23: 39
            +2
            Quote: Mr Credo
            But people go and return, others go after them. Someone is brought in coffins. But there are enough people who want to go.

            Well yes.. lol And I have neighbors, they fly to near space once a month somewhere (on weekends) yes
            Beautifully live not forbid request
            1. igorbrsv
              igorbrsv 24 November 2018 07: 59
              +1
              My neighbor generally from Mars migrated due to overpopulation
        2. private person
          private person 24 November 2018 19: 20
          -1
          If there were no guarantees, people would not go, when nobody is joking at stake. The question is what is happening in the country if people risking their lives go to work in war.
          1. LMN
            LMN 24 November 2018 19: 39
            +1
            Quote: private person
            If there were no guarantees, people would not go, when nobody is joking at stake. The question is what is happening in the country if people risking their lives go to work in war.


            Would you go? (Remove the moral side)
            1. private person
              private person 24 November 2018 19: 48
              -1
              WOULD go, if there were guarantees that they would not be fired from work while I was there. 3 months of 150 would not hurt again. For 3 months, earn a salary per annum.
  4. Decimam
    Decimam 23 November 2018 18: 23
    -4
    So the Air Force told a lot more. https://www.google.com.ua/amp/s/www.bbc.com/russian/amp/features-46291929
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 23 November 2018 19: 18
      +5
      Quote: Decimam
      So the Air Force told a lot more.

      That is why she and the BBC the more she "tells" the more gesheft.
      1. cniza
        cniza 23 November 2018 21: 14
        +5
        Best of all, V.S. Vysotsky.
  5. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 23 November 2018 18: 23
    +6
    according to Russian tradition, a token is made for a long time - then there is no metal, then a drunk fitter, there is no one to fill letters! free go and fight
  6. HAM
    HAM 23 November 2018 18: 24
    +3
    So what of this? And about "Black water" is weak, or will the Americans "faberge" unscrew?
    1. svp67
      svp67 23 November 2018 18: 43
      +2
      Quote: HAM
      And about "Black water" is weak, or will the Americans "faberge" unscrew?

      Now you can tell everything that you have learned about Black Watchers, since they have been gone for a long time ....
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 24 November 2018 07: 53
        -1
        It remains to find the Russian-speaking mercenary, for an interview with the WG or Sergey Brilev. Or Mrs. Strizhenova.
      2. HAM
        HAM 24 November 2018 08: 16
        0
        just changed the name to "academy" ..
  7. Vadim851
    Vadim851 23 November 2018 18: 26
    0
    There is no smoke without fire, it is quite possible the truth. After all, recently the fact of existence was denied, it is very difficult now to hide something.
    Two options - either let them serve in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation under a contract or legalize them so that the fighters have more rights, it’s all the same not to hide now and it’s harder to continue.
    1. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 23 November 2018 19: 37
      -2
      And who is hiding? They are registered on some sort of virgin islands. And let them do what they want. Do the interests of Moscow region coincide with them? Must use. No? As in the year 13, everyone under the comb was removed from the sides in a pre-trial detention center. For nefig.
    2. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 24 November 2018 08: 06
      +1
      If they are, then the whole point is that they are illegal. We have few legal forces?
    3. private person
      private person 24 November 2018 21: 28
      -1
      The contractor of the Moscow Region and the PMC fighter perform different combat missions and their pay is different. PMCs are fighting where the country cannot officially send an army.
  8. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 23 November 2018 18: 28
    +2
    we also need to invent an ordinary brown from PMC blackwater, and write a fairy tale about how he was ukroinu alone from three tank armies of Russia wassat
    1. Herald of the Revolution
      Herald of the Revolution 23 November 2018 19: 07
      -13
      Quote: ANCIENT
      invent an ordinary brown from PMC Blackwater, and write a fairy tale

      That is the problem that everyone in the world will perceive this as another tale from Russia. But what the British or Americans will write, everyone will perceive it as a reality. hi
      1. Fungus
        Fungus 23 November 2018 19: 43
        +2
        Don’t speak for everyone. BBC no one else believes. They were long overtaken by Rush Tudey in terms of views.
        1. Herald of the Revolution
          Herald of the Revolution 23 November 2018 20: 00
          -13
          Quote: Fungus
          They were long overtaken by Rush Tudey in terms of views.

          What else rush now, are you serious or kidding? good Even Russian migrants who have not assimilated in the USA do not watch Russia today, they should be told "let them be told" and "let's get married" give them ... and the same garbage in Anguilia. Rush today was caught by the hand many times with cheating views on YouTube and falsifying ratings. hi wassat
          1. Fungus
            Fungus 23 November 2018 20: 04
            +5
            Of course, seriously. In terms of views, RT is ahead of all foreign propaganda channels combined. If they had cheating and falsification, the Americans and Britons would not have given them a bunch of bonuses. So you again fell into a puddle face.
            1. Herald of the Revolution
              Herald of the Revolution 23 November 2018 20: 21
              -8
              Quote: Fungus
              By views RT is ahead

              To wind up views on YouTube even legally IZI, and even more so when the state helps you. wassat
              Quote: Fungus
              they would not be given a bunch of bonuses

              List of awards in the studio! I bet that the prize that RT "won" ahem ... she herself established for herself. wassat
              1. Fungus
                Fungus 23 November 2018 20: 44
                +4
                You are obviously watching Troll) RT are watching all over the world. Do you really think the Americans would not have raised a howl if the Republic of Tatarstan had been winding up views. Yes, they would have blocked the channel. But they acknowledge that our channel is more popular than all of their taken and try to put the flames into the wheels. And see awards in Google.
  9. turbris
    turbris 23 November 2018 18: 31
    0
    Another fake from the Air Force, but what do we want from the British?
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  11. newcomer
    newcomer 23 November 2018 18: 37
    +1
    Why shave Mi5, Mi6? do they have a bbc ?! laughing
    By the way, in childhood we called small cars bibishi. laughing
  12. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 23 November 2018 18: 37
    +4
    This is the Air Force !!! How not to believe them, because they still have a Grundig receiver that catches. Even TNT!
  13. stalki
    stalki 23 November 2018 18: 43
    -1
    Something suggests that all this hype in recent years with PMCs comes from the scourge of those who want to push PMCs into the legislative plane.
    1. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 23 November 2018 19: 15
      0
      Legalize first and then announce the presence of the Russian military. It's not a secret for anyone that both volunteers from the Russian Federation and specialists, instructors, some for "salary" are fighting there. There is no PMC officially. He called himself a load, climb into the basket. There is nothing to blame on anyone. I agreed to "work" for a black salary, so go to work. Still, the mercenaries wouldn't whine about the lack of a union
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 23 November 2018 20: 21
      +1
      Quote: stalki
      Something suggests that all this hype in recent years with PMCs comes from the scourge of those who want to push PMCs into the legislative plane.

      Rather, they are preparing another provocation
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 23 November 2018 19: 01
    +5
    Yahatu left
    Went to fight
    To land in Grenada
    Give the peasants!
    This is the USSR! We have no traditions of mercenaryism in our state. The work of special services. Kill for the money. This is always and everywhere. This is the WORLD.
    1. cniza
      cniza 23 November 2018 21: 16
      +9
      As Trump said there - "the correspondent was killed by a cruel world ..."
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 23 November 2018 22: 38
        +1
        Every crime has a first and last name!
        This only natural disaster can occur for independent reasons, and even then not always.
  15. igorbrsv
    igorbrsv 23 November 2018 19: 06
    -2
    Suppose that the presence of PMCs on the territory of the Russian Federation is true. What does it change? They die for money, not for their homeland. Contractors are paid less, but they know that they will serve the homeland (albeit for some ugly). Even if they were financed by the budget. Why on earth should I order a hired killer to worry about his fate ?! Hundreds of volunteers went to the Donbass without demanding anything in return.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 23 November 2018 21: 33
      +1
      Quote: igorbrsv
      Suppose that the presence of PMCs on the territory of the Russian Federation is true. What does it change? They die for money, not for their homeland. Contractors are paid less, but they know that they will serve the homeland (albeit for some ugly). Even if they were financed by the budget. Why on earth should I order a hired killer to worry about his fate ?! Hundreds of volunteers went to the Donbass without demanding anything in return.

      If there is demand, a law is needed. I believe that the need has long been ripe for legislatively preparing the issue of PMCs in Russia and, as necessary, making changes to improve their activities. Tired of this nagging need-not? I have to! We’ll fight no worse than others.
  16. rruvim
    rruvim 23 November 2018 19: 11
    +5
    Then the dispute came out. Who was on the second helicopter? Who was in the net? Some indicated that they were FSO-schnicks, others claimed that the mannequins ... Well, two of them split among themselves, almost to a fight. One shouted that they were "Wagnerians", the other shouted that they were "journalists". As a result, we were kicked out of the PAB at the Tretyakov Gallery ... drinks
    1. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 23 November 2018 19: 19
      -1
      MES there was
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 23 November 2018 19: 25
        +1
        Oh really? But at least one fact?
        1. igorbrsv
          igorbrsv 23 November 2018 19: 28
          0
          So I was joking. I don’t know. It's good that we are not in the same pub wassat drinks
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 23 November 2018 19: 40
            +1
            I'm already in the suburbs ... And PAB was at the Tretyakov Gallery. I don’t want to advertise, the more the "wings" were worse than usual. But they drank the dark "Guinness", and recalled BREXIT, "the kingdom of heaven to him."
    2. rruvim
      rruvim 23 November 2018 19: 23
      -2
      Shyutka shyutka. But we must admit that other sane people also admit it. PMCs like Wagner & Co., this is not just a whim of the Brigadier, it is either a new "oprichnina" (which would be welcomed), or simply fear for one’s own safety. The military will not be able to provide him, they have the wrong task. Rossgvardia, headed by Zolotov, is funny. FSO in any case will act in accordance with the constitution: "The King has died - long live the new King!" And other law enforcement agencies have nothing to say, without listing from the Police, I will stop in the middle ....... Feldegorsk service of Russia .... But, personally loyal to the Cheka, who have passed "certain" processing for the loot and are personally ready for anything. And this, alas, is not a joke.
      1. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 23 November 2018 19: 35
        0
        ... Five ministries and 8 federal services will report directly to the Russian president. As stated in the decree of the head of state "On the structure of federal executive bodies", among the ministries, the activities of which are led by the president, include the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Justice and the Ministry of Defense, Vesti FM radio reports.

        In addition, the president exercises overall management of such departments as the SVR, FSB, FSO, the State Courier Service, the Federal Drug Control Service, the Federal Financial Monitoring Service, the Main Directorate for Special Programs of the President, and the Presidential Administration.

        Eat for health wassat
        1. igorbrsv
          igorbrsv 23 November 2018 19: 37
          +1
          Do not worry bureaucrats, late. wassat
          True info from 2012
        2. rruvim
          rruvim 23 November 2018 19: 52
          -6
          This is the psychosis of a person who is afraid for his own safety. Russia has a new trend: the personal safety of the Brigadier! For this: abandonment of "Merces" in favor of armored "Corteges", helicopter passages, flights of two or three Tu-ks from the Rossiya regiment. Reduction of visits to third countries, except for the GXNUMX countries. Now "concessions" and "surrenders" will be made (for example, Abe) to preserve their international security (Gorbachev and the Yeltsin family used this). For internal security, not only the FSO will be used, but also PMCs of loyal people.
          1. Russian
            Russian 23 November 2018 20: 08
            -4
            Gorbachev and Yeltsin had other motives. Do not write nonsense. They had no one to hide from. Both are respected in the West.
            But Pu-da, is trying to establish relations with the West and is already preparing for itself protection: Rossguard + Wagnerites
            1. Bull Terrier
              Bull Terrier 23 November 2018 20: 18
              +4
              Yeah. And also Buryat equestrian divers. As for respect, they gave Senov a prize in general. So let them respect whoever they want. For me personally, this is a sign of these people generally not to be allowed into the country
            2. rruvim
              rruvim 23 November 2018 20: 28
              -4
              Here is the best answer!
              The foreman is trying to establish relations with the West, and therefore prepares for himself protection (when will it establish relations with the West).
              From whom, interesting?
          2. igorbrsv
            igorbrsv 23 November 2018 20: 24
            +2
            Psychosis is now in the west. Many versions with what it is connected. But I would not fly unaccompanied. Take 2014 Boeing.
            1. rruvim
              rruvim 23 November 2018 20: 59
              -1
              What does the escort have to do with it? It is possible, of course, the same, to assume that three helicopters for "Arrow" or "Stinger" are threefold targets. One of them carries four soldiers in bulletproof vests. We will take the other two helicopters for escort. We shoot, after all, before this "freeze" the head of the seeker. Well, 30% of the hits are definitely there! And if this is the Board with the FSO officers? Then our goal is not achieved ... Then this accompaniment is needed. Then take into the grid three gymnasts from the State Duma, or three liberals: Gref, Chubais and Siluanov. Only have mercy on the pilots! In general, these FSO-schnicks could at least be equipped with "Boomerangs" ...
        3. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 23 November 2018 20: 21
          +3
          The siloviki have always been subordinate to the head of state.
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 23 November 2018 20: 24
        +2
        Quote: rruvim
        But we must admit that other sane people also admit it. PMCs like Wagner & Co. are not just a whim of the Brigadier, it is either a new "oprichnina" (which would be welcomed), or simply fear for their own safety.

        PMCs where do they work? Abroad under a contract with an employer. Where is the evidence that the employer is the government of the Russian Federation?
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 23 November 2018 20: 29
          -1
          Who pays?
          1. Consultant
            Consultant 23 November 2018 20: 34
            +5
            Quote: rruvim
            Who pays?

            Who will tell you wink
            PMCs, in particular, are needed to disguise a true employer, this is the ABC ...

            By the way, PMCs are absolutely not suitable for protecting the first persons ... this is so, by the way.
            1. rruvim
              rruvim 23 November 2018 20: 44
              -1
              I mean there is "security" and there is "secret police". And one more thing: PMCs always unmask the true employer. This is an Axiom !!!
              1. Consultant
                Consultant 23 November 2018 20: 48
                +3
                Quote: rruvim
                I mean there is "security" and there is "secret police"

                What is it like? So far I have read only this:

                Quote: rruvim
                Brigadier trying to establish relations with the West, and therefore is preparing a guard (when will establish relations with the West)

                The thought seemed delusional enough to me to comment on it.

                Quote: rruvim
                From whom, interesting?

                Well, so from whom?

                Quote: rruvim
                PMCs always unmask the true employer. This is an axiom

                This is also nonsense, sorry. The meaning of PMCs is precisely that the employer is hidden. Even if it is completely obvious - to prove it ... unrealistic laughing
                1. rruvim
                  rruvim 23 November 2018 21: 07
                  -1
                  PMCs are, in the normal sense of the word, commercial organizations that have their own current account in the Bank (or in banks), no matter where. "Black Water" had an account with several banks. All .transactions are recorded in the SFI. Utkin's office is no exception. Everyone who has access to foreign exchange transactions knows what "loot" is and where it came from. "Cash" here works "as long as". PMCs are hired exactly when it is necessary to hide the true purpose of the operation, which is performed by completely different people.
                  1. Consultant
                    Consultant 23 November 2018 21: 15
                    0
                    That is, you don’t want to explain the difference between "security and secret police"? Sorry...

                    Quote: rruvim
                    Everyone who has access to foreign exchange transactions knows what "loot" is and where it came from

                    Is nal fixed too? Ah, yes ... here is another meaningful phrase:

                    Quote: rruvim
                    "Cash" works here "as long as"

                    Decrypt, I don’t understand ...

                    Quote: rruvim
                    PMCs are hired precisely when it is necessary to hide the true purpose of the operation

                    They hide, in general, not the "purpose of the operation", but the interested party, the beneficiary ... the customer, that is.

                    Quote: rruvim
                    operations performed by completely different people

                    The farther into the forest, the thicker the partisans ... You (conditionally) hire PMCs ... and the protection of your oil towers, for example, will be borne by completely different people ?! Why such difficulties, let me ask ??! belay
                    1. rruvim
                      rruvim 23 November 2018 21: 43
                      -1
                      About cash "everything" is clear. You can "dream" about it and so and "edok". Regarding the protection of oil rigs: You probably do not understand the difference between a private military company (PMC) and a private security company (PSC). For example, I will explain to you, or rather I will remind you, when there was a shelling of our embassy in Kabul, our Tel Channels showed on the territory of the embassy not some airborne forces, but large men of Slavic appearance in dark blue uniforms with "armored men" and AKC and in dark blue baseball caps. These people were employed by the PSC. And PMCs are completely different. They do not guard the oil rigs, they have other tasks. But who sets the tasks is known to everyone who participates in this.
                      1. Consultant
                        Consultant 23 November 2018 22: 07
                        -1
                        Quote: rruvim
                        About cash "everything" is clear. You can "dream" about this and so and "edok"

                        Nothing "like that" is really clear. There are many ways to "hide" the true path of money, and not everything can be traced. Take it for granted.

                        Quote: rruvim
                        PMCs are completely different. They do not guard the oil rigs; they have other tasks

                        This is debatable:

                        In addition to army contracts, the scope of PMCs is very wide: the fight against sea pirates, infrastructure protection in “hot spots”, training and staff training in developing countries

                        Quote: rruvim
                        who sets the tasks is known to everyone who participates in this

                        That is, conditionally, everyone, up to an ordinary fighter, knows the employer? You surprise me ... this is some kind of kindergarten, and not a private (and even more so - not a military) company request
                      2. rruvim
                        rruvim 23 November 2018 22: 28
                        +1
                        As for the movement of money (funds), I assure you everything is known. Another thing is that this is not "known" to all participants in the process.
                        For an ordinary soldier, the employer is not known. Yes, he is not needed.
                        Here's a simple task: "Stop three Tanks on Route 7 from As Sukhan." He does not know whose wagons are. In theory, Utkin's office is given data from the GRU. But why doesn't the military police of the SAR, or the comrades from the IRGC, or the local militia stop them? Then people from Utkin's office send them to another place, such is the order. After all, Wagner does not have Makhnovists ... Then people appear in Moscow, from the States, by the way, who ask to ensure the flow of Cisterns, "without problems" through the territory of southern Syria to the border with Jordan. Then there are negotiations ...
                      3. Consultant
                        Consultant 23 November 2018 22: 36
                        0
                        I regret to note that we deviate from the original topic. There were two of your (IMHO at least not disputed) statements:

                        Quote: rruvim
                        I mean that there is "security" and there is "secret police". And one more thing: PMCs always unmask the true employer. This is an Axiom

                        About "security and secret police" the topic seemed to be removed ... by itself. That is, the fact that the "foreman prepares his guard" is not in business, right?

                        Remained about "unmasking the employer". You haven't proven this yet. I argue that the main interest of the state in relations with PMCs is precisely the "disguise" of this very employer (state) and the presentation of the activities of the PMCs as a purely private initiative, to which this state has nothing to do.

                        What do you think?
                      4. rruvim
                        rruvim 23 November 2018 22: 45
                        0
                        Well, exactly! I absolutely agree with you about disguise! But you did not understand my idea. The state, as the state, discloses its participation in the activities of PMCs, but apart from, of course, the Brigadier's awarding of the order to Utkin. But the state-owned companies with private capital cannot reveal their participation in any way. Alas. For they pay lava ... And it doesn't matter how much of this amount is from the State, and how much is paid from minority shareholders, where usually 49% of "participation" ...
                      5. Consultant
                        Consultant 23 November 2018 22: 53
                        0
                        Quote: rruvim
                        You did not understand my thought

                        Absolutely. And still I don’t understand her. I will state my vision, and on this I will complete this flame, with your permission:

                        1. In Russia, PMCs cannot exist without the close guardianship of the state.
                        All talk about "private armies" of oligarchs is nonsense.
                        2. The state of the Russian Federation needs PMCs mainly and primarily in order to solve certain "delicate" tasks outside the Russian Federation. Namely, tasks in which it is undesirable to clearly show the participation of the state.
                        Therefore, all sorts of speculation about "guarding the foreman" is also nonsense.
                        3. The existence of PMCs is inevitable. The world has changed a lot since the Second World War, the tools of war that did not exist at that time are now in use. PMCs are one of these tools, and, as the experience of the "partners" shows, the tool is quite effective.

                        That's it.
                      6. rruvim
                        rruvim 23 November 2018 23: 39
                        0
                        The answer is:
                        On the first point I agree.
                        Second: Not obvious. Everyone will understand whose PMCs these are. The walk of Bashirov and Petrov proved this.
                        I agree with the third point on condition of silence or "blindness" of the States involved, including the countries-UN organizations.
                      7. rruvim
                        rruvim 23 November 2018 22: 58
                        0
                        I'm sorry. The phrase should be written like this: "The state, how the state disguises its participation in the activities of PMCs"
          2. igorbrsv
            igorbrsv 24 November 2018 08: 16
            0
            Who pays for PMCs? In Syria, the Syrians pay. In Angola, Angolans wassat
        2. Giants
          Giants 23 November 2018 22: 18
          +2
          Quote: Balu
          Where is the evidence that the employer is the government of the Russian Federation?

          I will not argue, just leave a photo. She is wearing a civilian dude, about whom the West constantly tries to say that it is he who steers PMCs. The fact that this is SamKogKogo's favorite cook is left out of the brackets. Question: what can this cook do on advice between generals. He can be present there only as the main one over PMCs.
        3. Turkish basalt stone
          Turkish basalt stone 24 November 2018 16: 08
          0
          And in the territory, if the employer changes? That is whose question.
        4. Nick_R
          Nick_R 24 November 2018 16: 51
          0
          Formally, the employer is not the government of the Russian Federation. But what is the situation called when hundreds of people violate the criminal code of the Russian Federation, Article 359 Mercenary, and the state turns a blind eye to this.
          That is, next time you can kill, rob, rape, if someone needs it for political purposes? And you will continue to call these people the government of the Russian Federation.
          PS. If it turned out that some of the "government of the Russian Federation" not only knew about PMCs, but also took part in their creation, incl. allocating money, weapons, bases, this would mean that they would be shone from 7 to 15 years under paragraph 2 of the same article.
  17. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 23 November 2018 19: 42
    +6
    We in the Donbass were recruited to Syria. They didn’t say it directly, but I found out what was happening from a fighter I knew.
    When I came to the military registration and enlistment office, in civilian clothes, a buyer came up to me, a tall, wiry guy, by all habits and eyes, he was still a wolf, and only then, after retrospect, he was surprised that his tan was strange, not ours, and this is winter.
    He offered to serve "in another country" as a sniper. When he told his friend, he immediately waved his hands, they say, don’t think about it))
    But I would not go to Syria, and I do not advise others. Bad place.
    1. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 23 November 2018 19: 51
      +2
      And rightly so. You would save your life. They will deal with Syria. Well, or at least die on their land
    2. rruvim
      rruvim 23 November 2018 20: 17
      -1
      Well, there are people who cannot live without war. They really are. They have experience, they have flair, they have some charisma. Many even have a "head". The problem is, what should be the motivation? If, for example, an American assault force landed near Smolensk, then nothing will remain of the American assault force, since people, having seized a Kalash from the Oruzheyka of the nearest military unit, will stop it and destroy it, not counting the military who will participate in this. But this homeland defense... But what is the motivation for PMCs in Syria. In addition to the Idea of ​​"delusional" tales about preventing militants from entering Russia, the North Caucasus, by and large, our government has no other ideas. There is also: "we will defend Orthodox shrines ...", "Sunnis are enemies of Shiites" ... But this does not "play". The main thing for PMC personnel is "loot" !. And only that! Is it bad or good? Unknown. But people who survived in hostilities or are in them, being listed in PMCs of "Russian persuasion" must have motivation other than money.
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 23 November 2018 20: 24
        +3
        Well, there are people who cannot live without war.


        We are full of people who have tasted blood, and cannot live without it. Seen enough. But on the other hand, for the homeland, the idea and honor will tear anyone to shreds.
        And personally, I have nothing against PMCs. The whole world uses, what are we worse?
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 23 November 2018 20: 31
          -1
          Not worse, but better! But where is the intelligible motivation? In addition to awarding the Order of Courage to Kotov.
        2. Cottager452
          Cottager452 24 November 2018 06: 46
          0
          For what idea they will tear, open a secret.
  18. dgonni
    dgonni 23 November 2018 20: 03
    -2
    Plums began. Poorly. But on the other hand there is nothing to throw fighters! This is just the beginning. And there are a lot of them. Time bomb in the process! Some food preparers need to think about it. Pure recommendation!
  19. Russian
    Russian 23 November 2018 20: 06
    -3
    A fragmentary infa has long been circulating about all this. They fight like cannon fodder. In the spring, Americans covered more than 400 people from the air
    1. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 23 November 2018 20: 16
      +3
      Thank you for not 1000. First, they talk about 200 and this total was with the Syrians. Secondly, they were not called there at all, they went to clean the refineries. The Americans themselves said that they contacted those of us who did not understand what they were talking about. Who is rushing there and why. The Foreign Ministry said in my opinion about the 5 dead citizens of Russia. MO did not react at all. They have been working with these refineries since the age of 13. Then they were also given horns, then the FSB took them from Sheremetyevo.
    2. Fungus
      Fungus 23 November 2018 20: 47
      +4
      Where are the corpses and relatives of 400 people? No.
  20. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 23 November 2018 20: 38
    0
    Fools, it would be much more interesting to Americans to tell about US PMCs, how many of them, where they are and what tasks they perform. That would be a bomb for them. But they take ISIS commanders from Syria to the designated places for the explosion of a new war, organize a confrontation between the tribes in Syria, import chemical preparations for white helmets for subsequent Assad charges, and perform other vile Pompeo affairs in Syria, Iraq, etc.
  21. rruvim
    rruvim 23 November 2018 20: 39
    -1
    I was in Pechora, overheard the conversation. I had nothing to do with it ... I think it’s not a military secret. So Utkina is nowhere to be found. Missing man. No! He's alive. Just gone. But people are 100% sure that his customers are our state corporations. Note, formally, all the same GOS, although they belong to private individuals close to the Brigadier. Gazprom, Rossneft, etc.
  22. ludrosia
    ludrosia 23 November 2018 21: 03
    -1
    There is no PMC in Russian Orthodox Christian Russia. No Wagner, no Schmagner, no other. This is all fanned by the stupid foes and enemies of Russia, Russian Orthodox Christian. Any illegal armed formation is destroyed by the government, security forces and the Russian Orthodox Christian army. Because any armed formation in Russia, the Russian Orthodox Christian, must obey the government of Russia, the Russian Orthodox Christian. If this armed formation does not obey the government, then this armed formation is considered illegal and is destroyed, or rather liquidated by security forces, for example, anti-terrorist special forces or the Russian army Russian Orthodox Christian because because it becomes illegal if it does not obey the government of Russian Orthodox Christian Russia.
    Any state can easily make a claim to any illegal formation of another country and destroy it like terrorists. And at the same time to the government of this country, why is this government not controlling and liquidating illegal armed groups at its place ?? Is that a terrorist government? That's all presented.
    That is, according to you, for example, in order for the United States to start a war with Russia, the Russian Orthodox Christian Army of the United States simply needs to change clothes, disguise itself as some kind of PMCs, terrorists and other illegal formations, and the US government is simply stupid to simply deny, like “we have nothing to do , we are not in business, we are not at war with you, our army is not at war with you! These are some left-wing PMCs, we do not know anything at all! What are the claims to us ??? "
    Judging by your logic, it turns out that way.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 23 November 2018 21: 22
      +1
      You just need to understand that PMCs, I mean Russians, are still people. With all their passions ... They are not the first and not the last. "French Legion" by and large is also a PMC. There are owners there.
      The question is, where and how to use our PMCs? To squeeze the oil refinery in Syria from the Kurds? Protecting the Diamond Mines in Rhodesia? Fight off an oil dock in Yemen? This is all the business of private corporations. It's another matter if the State hires PMCs in the State interests. But this should not be a "cut" of money, as in the pre-losing situation with the oil refinery in Deir ez-Zor, which led to casualties not only of "mercenaries", but also a whole battalion of regular SAR.
  23. Strashila
    Strashila 23 November 2018 21: 04
    +1
    Another stuffing of brick, see how the circles go, just like with Chapiga. They are looking for bad guys ready to assert themselves for candy wrappers from lollipop.
  24. XXXIII
    XXXIII 23 November 2018 21: 16
    0
    BBC told about mercenaries from PMCs Wagner: how much truth is there in this?
    Zero.... laughing
    According to BBC, the data was allegedly obtained from a former fighter PMCs Wagner Nikolai Averin, whose contract has already ended.
    Even after death, they are silent ..... hi
  25. ludrosia
    ludrosia 23 November 2018 21: 25
    +1
    Quote: rruvim
    You just need to understand that PMCs, I mean Russians, are still people. With all their passions ... They are not the first and not the last. "French Legion" by and large is also a PMC. There are owners there.
    The question is, where and how to use our PMCs? To squeeze the oil refinery in Syria from the Kurds? Protecting the Diamond Mines in Rhodesia? Fight off an oil dock in Yemen? This is all the business of private corporations. It's another matter if the State hires PMCs in the State interests. But this should not be a "cut" of money, as in a losing situation with an oil refinery in Deir ez-Zor.

    The owners of the French legion are the government of France. The French legion is subordinate to the government of France. You can simply make a claim to the government of France: "What is your French legion doing in our country?! ??!"
    Or do you want to say, in order for France to seize or attack Russian Orthodox Christian Russia with impunity, you just need to send a French legion, and it is stupid to deny everything yourself, like: "We are not in business. It's all French legion, we don't know anything." and we can’t do anything? Yes, we can easily do everything! We can say: "Where is the French legion located? -In France! And if you cannot do anything with this French legion, which is located on the territory of your country-France, then we will transfer our Russian troops to you in France today. LET'S AUTHORIZE, ELIMINATE THE WHOLE FRENCH LEGION! IF YOU CANNOT DEAL WITH IT BY YOURSELF! CLARIFIED, FRENCHES ???? "
    Russia Russian Orthodox Christian, no PMCs are needed. Russia Russian Orthodox Christian, not an aggressor and not an occupier!
    For Russia Russian Orthodox Christian-TRUTH! Who really is stronger!
  26. bbss
    bbss 23 November 2018 21: 39
    0
    What is their dog business?
  27. rruvim
    rruvim 23 November 2018 21: 57
    +1
    Generally. These are our people. Let the "mercenaries". But for example, the story of the Kurds about the "oil refinery" looks like a setup. Well, at least to protect the column with some kind of air defense, to conduct reconnaissance. If there are KDP-schnicks with Americos, why go there at all? Well, even if they promised a dough, you still need to think. No support for aviation, no front air defense. Nothing. Except - "Let's break through!" As a result, the Kurds retreated, but the Americans did not retreat on their "rotorcraft" ...
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 23 November 2018 22: 36
      0
      Quote: rruvim
      If there are KDP-shniki with Amerikosy, why go there at all?

      In your opinion, they are shooting at each other, I doubt that they think together there they solve other problems, why the Amer is such a dangerous enemy at hand. She clearly knows who, where, when, and will not climb, neither they, nor ours, everything is decided before they are put forward to work ..... hi
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 23 November 2018 22: 51
        +2
        I meant that the Kurdish Democratic Party together with the Americans. Well this is just a fact.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 24 November 2018 00: 30
      +1
      ". Except -" Let's break through! "As a result - the Kurds retreated, and the Americans
      on their "rotorcraft, ..." /////

      Kurds, seeing that they are going to attack whole columns of equipment with
      armed people, requested, as always, air support from the Americans.
      The Americans on the hotline asked the Russian
      command: "Yours?" Received the answer: "Ours are not in the area."
      The Americans struck directly at the convoys of trucks and armored personnel carriers.
      As usual, carefully and thoroughly.
      Hundreds of dead and wounded in a quarter of an hour.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 24 November 2018 00: 37
        +1
        All this is known. It is described. Tarred ... Tarred ... And no comments. Except the mat!
  28. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 23 November 2018 23: 01
    +2
    Whoever the Wagnerites are, whoever finances them, they do their job in the interests of the Russian state
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 23 November 2018 23: 29
      +1
      And what is their last job? In the interests of the Russian State. Just the most interesting ...
      1. Consultant
        Consultant 23 November 2018 23: 59
        0
        Quote: rruvim
        Just the most interesting ...

        Quote: Anecdote
        Armenian radio:
        - Listener N. from Shatura asks the question - who writes political jokes? The same question interests listener M. Petrovka 38
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 24 November 2018 00: 05
          +3
          Question to Armenian radio:
          Tell me, is Yerevan a beautiful city?
          AR: Very beautiful !!!
          Question: How many atomic bombs do you need to destroy this beauty?
          AR: Yerevan, of course, is a beautiful city, but Baku is more beautiful ...
        2. pvv113
          pvv113 24 November 2018 01: 37
          0
          Quote: Consultant
          who writes political jokes?

          The Armenian radio asked:
          - Who sits there and writes jokes?
          “Whoever composes sits.” wink
  29. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 23 November 2018 23: 11
    +2
    In these stories about PMCs, it seemed most sad to me that the command and owners of these PMCs (there are several PMCs) didn’t give a damn about ordinary soldiers. Neither the treatment of the wounded, nor their evacuation, nor the transport of the bodies of the dead to their homeland. All for my money, all for bribes.
    The Gray Geese, in due time, at least this side of their activity was organized fairly.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 23 November 2018 23: 27
      +1
      The Geese had a "General" - this is known. And Utkin - "Firm", that is, an enterprise with managers, with "secretaries". with logisticians, with Airplanes and Helicopters. The corporation however. Here Makhnovshchina does not smell .... And the Geese were "free flight", who just did not feed them ... And the CIA, and all sorts of local princelings, and by the way the MOSSAD. And all "cash", without any VISA cards ...
    2. XXXIII
      XXXIII 24 November 2018 00: 58
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh

      In these stories about PMCs, it seemed to me the saddest thing about the completely disdainful attitude of the command and owners of these PMCs

      What is the name of special forces in Israel similar to the MTR of the Russian Federation?
    3. nafanal
      nafanal 24 November 2018 04: 13
      +2
      Well, as far as you described, everything is far from the case. And they treat and transport and evacuate.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 24 November 2018 12: 34
        +3
        For your earned money. A fighter could fight for years: if they’re wounded, you return as a poor invalid.
        Western PMCs have insurance and an insurance fund.
        1. nafanal
          nafanal 24 November 2018 13: 28
          +2
          In our village there are guys who visited there more than once. One I know, I was definitely injured during the assault on Palmyra. I was taken to a hospital in the Moscow region. Treatment is free of charge .. Just like that they charge me differently. Some in the rear receive more of those on the front end. They are awarded with government awards .. As I understand it, they did not infringe on him very much in payment ..
  30. rruvim
    rruvim 23 November 2018 23: 13
    0
    I will write from myself. Avatar Consultant in addition ...
    PMCs are a terrible thing. For example, the General Staff has now adopted three volumes of the RF Army Statutes. One of them is "closed". But there are Charters! Everyone who served in the Army, especially in the Soviet Army, knows that this is not just a thick book.
    PMCs have no Charters! These are just mercenaries, not guards, like in "Auchan", they are mercenaries who will kill for money. Yes! This is World practice ... But a mercenary fighting for money, not for an idea, is worse than the filthiest whore from the London gateway.
    Well, anyway, There is hope that the people of Wagner still understand something, and they have the word Homeland in their hearts.
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 24 November 2018 00: 54
      +1
      Quote: rruvim
      PMCs have no Charters! These are just mercenaries, not guards, like in "Auchan", they are mercenaries who will kill for money. Yes! This is World practice ... But a mercenary fighting for money, not for an idea, is worse than the filthiest whore from the London gateway.
      Well, anyway, There is hope that the people of Wagner still understand something, and they have the word Homeland in their hearts.

      Here you have suffered ..... wassat PMCs are elite units, mercenaries are an image, so they are pure "SSO". They perform special tasks, many armies have them, they will come up with a name and legend. They are paid money under a contract, they sign a paper of silence like all the aircraft, and it is not customary for them to leave even the dead, it is too dangerous. It's just that they have more risk, there are a lot of rumors from this, and so no one has seen or knows them. Their support is at the highest level, because they trust them with special information, release them where it is necessary to remove the obstacle quietly, quickly and without dust. The place of their actions is clearly marked, the cover is on the pulse, they will cover the quarter and not a single radio will beep ... yes
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 24 November 2018 01: 04
        0
        And if this is an obstacle, you and your family?
        1. XXXIII
          XXXIII 24 November 2018 01: 13
          0
          Quote: rruvim
          And if this is an obstacle, you and your family?

          Well, the family should then be at least terrorists or gangs armed with the most do not indulge and have instructors, while doing sorties and conducting military clashes with the country's armed forces ...... wassat
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 24 November 2018 01: 28
            0
            Why? Blogging is now easy enough. 282 however ...
            1. XXXIII
              XXXIII 24 November 2018 01: 31
              0
              Quote: rruvim
              Why? Blogging is now easy enough. 282 however ...

              Not PMCs do not deal with this for sure, this is the matter of the Ministry of Internal Affairs .... winked
              1. rruvim
                rruvim 24 November 2018 01: 37
                0
                [quoteWell, a family should then be at least terrorists or gangs armed with the most do not indulge and have instructors, while doing sorties and conducting military clashes with the country's armed forces.] [/ quote]
                Well, I answered you. What is the Ministry of Internal Affairs involved, not PMCs. Just for now ...
                1. XXXIII
                  XXXIII 24 November 2018 02: 03
                  0
                  Quote: rruvim
                  Well, I answered you. What is the Ministry of Internal Affairs involved, not PMCs. Just for now ...

                  Well, here it is already unknown whether there will be or not who knows .....
                  1. rruvim
                    rruvim 24 November 2018 02: 08
                    0
                    I don't know either. But the experience of using security structures in the selection of enterprises has already been. And not just once. And PMC "Wagner" has already taken away one plant in my memory ....
  31. ddmitrij
    ddmitrij 23 November 2018 23: 32
    +3
    It is also strange that in the interview there is not a word about “Novice”, which is so characteristic of the British media lately.

    Wagner’s fighters are so harsh that they are squirted by the Novice after shaving
  32. ashnajder
    ashnajder 23 November 2018 23: 33
    0
    if the numbers are true then it’s doubly sad, people are ready to hire for a penny.
    1. Usher
      Usher 24 November 2018 01: 54
      0
      for you 150 thousand pennies? What kind of Russia do you live in, do you know the cost of living? And the average basket with ZP?
      1. ashnajder
        ashnajder 24 November 2018 17: 05
        0
        I lived in Magnitogorsk. Moscow and Kiev, and yes -150 thousand is a good, but not prohibitive salary for, for example, a designer - an architect, a builder (not a laborer) receives about 70 in a team, I would say standard, of course, in Russia and Ukraine, I know what average , small, but the general level of mercenaries for 000 thousand I certainly imagine) moral, too, and this is doubly sad.
  33. rruvim
    rruvim 23 November 2018 23: 55
    +1
    In general, if our full-time Fighters pay as much as Utkin’s mercenaries and don’t hesitate to carry out combat missions if they are motivated for their homeland, then Wagner’s mercenaries would not be needed. And they would have taken Palmyra (finally) and Kharkov ... And without losses. Regular aviation would support. But she did not support the Wagner fighters in the spin of the refinery ....
  34. rruvim
    rruvim 24 November 2018 00: 23
    -1
    No matter how “Wagner's” guys look “cool” in different photos (in gloves, glasses and ankle boots), they are not a regular army. They have no support, not in aviation, not in artillery, not in air defense and electronic warfare. Army men do not like them and will not love them. The "Wagnerians" do not even have special communications, except for the Iridium satellite phones, which are absolutely bugged. Just "cannon fodder" for private corporations ....
    1. Usher
      Usher 24 November 2018 01: 52
      -1
      Do they even exist?
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  36. 501Legion
    501Legion 24 November 2018 01: 26
    +1
    I thumped yesterday with Bosharov ... I hope he didn’t bother me
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 24 November 2018 01: 33
      +1
      Quote: 501Legion
      I thumped yesterday with Bosharov ... I hope he didn’t bother me

      Well, if they thumped, it means they have already been poisoned .... laughing
    2. rruvim
      rruvim 24 November 2018 01: 54
      +1
      And I remembered Chavez yesterday. Peel Rum ...
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 24 November 2018 16: 38
        0
        Quote: rruvim
        And I remembered Chavez yesterday. Peel Rum ...

        And I Mishkin, drank yesterday with Petrov. They drank moonshine for us, for you and for special forces. Petrov said that the newcomer is a booze, there is nothing better than moonshine.
  37. Usher
    Usher 24 November 2018 01: 52
    -2
    Do they still believe in "mythical" PMCs? This "Wagner" has already got soiled. And most importantly, who puts + under the comments in support of PMCs and minuses in the comments where the LAW is cited where mercenary activities are expressly PROHIBITED, etc. Apparently forgotten how to read?
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 24 November 2018 02: 03
      0
      It doesn't matter which law. Yes, the law on PMCs was not "passed" through the Duma. And this is the "tenth" case. It is important that the fighters are motivated so that they go to the MTR, to special forces, or whatever you call it, but legitimately. Without any business. Just for the Motherland, but with a good salary, insurance and motivation. And subordinate to our ordinary army generals, not former KGB officers. Who are now now businessmen from the War.
    2. Varreox
      Varreox 25 November 2018 09: 34
      -3
      Apparently critical thinking is not delivered to you. If you don’t even bother to look and look for evidence, instead look for clues to cover it up.
      Or does Prigozhin just sit at meetings at the same table at meetings with the chief of staff and the minister of defense?
  38. shadow
    shadow 24 November 2018 02: 18
    0
    Why argue? PMC Wagner does not exist, it was invented in order to prove the Russian presence in Donbas. And they invented it in their own image and likeness as Black Waters. But what a garbage: we do not have a law about PMCs, and as I wrote earlier, there is no law, there is no PMC. And now a question. Why all these stories about PMCs, especially in Syria? The answer is simple. This is done so that the world is afraid of weak Americans, otherwise they will all be beaten. That is why all this nonsense about PMCs, as well as about the Skripals and flights to the Moon))), that they "flew", is rassing about. But when the American minister himself says that this is complete nonsense and he says it officially, what can I say. Do you know what is most interesting? The balls are coming true. And especially those balls about which you talk so much and in which you believe, even if in reality it is not, come true. I'm talking about Russian aggression, if someone doesn't quite understand.
    1. LMN
      LMN 24 November 2018 02: 42
      +1
      Quote: Shadows
      Why argue? PMC Wagner does not exist, it was invented in order to prove the Russian presence in the Donbas. And they came up with it in their own image and likeness as Black Waters. But here's the bullshit: we do not have a law on PMCs, and as I wrote earlier, there is no law, no PMCs

      Agree yes
      There is no law on PMCs, no PMCs! good
      This is a fundamental fact! yes
      Everything else is just a "desire" request
      None have yet explained to me the value of this "contract" mentioned in the article .. lol

      Gr.RF such ?! Subscribe to the "crime" ?!

      Of my five "colleagues", two continue to serve on contract. The other three, when asked about PMCs, laughed and sent)
  39. nafanal
    nafanal 24 November 2018 04: 05
    0
    Interestingly. If he really is, this guy is talkative, how much will he be free after that ..
  40. demo
    demo 24 November 2018 22: 09
    0
    Of all the above, only one is true - Molkino.
    And this is the training center of the special forces of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
    Once I had to go there. Then it was a tank "training". And Colonel Runov commanded her. Kingdom of heaven to him. He was a good man.
    And then the tankers were asked to exit. Sniper competitions were held there.
    And sabotage and anti-sabotage training could well be carried out by specialists from various departments.
    But whether PMCs are available or not is a question.
  41. Varreox
    Varreox 25 November 2018 09: 31
    -3
    Somehow the BBC's trust has always been more than our "media".
  42. Mentor
    Mentor 25 November 2018 14: 41
    0
    how much truth is there?

    Not at all. The truth in media reports does not exist at all. The truth is once again sacrificed for political necessity.
  43. Ivan Zavadsky
    Ivan Zavadsky 25 November 2018 18: 02
    0
    For some reason, everyone unanimously forgot how brazenly the authorities lied about the absence of the Russian military during the Crimean events. And literally a year later, the same government recognized the fact of the operation. More recently, the same Peskov denied the presence of our military in Libya, but now no one is hiding this. Only Western media are lying? Oh well....
  44. ludrosia
    ludrosia 6 December 2018 19: 32
    0
    Quote: Ivan Zavadsky
    For some reason, everyone unanimously forgot how brazenly the authorities lied about the absence of the Russian military during the Crimean events. And literally a year later, the same government recognized the fact of the operation. More recently, the same Peskov denied the presence of our military in Libya, but now no one is hiding this. Only Western media are lying? Oh well....

    Nobody lied. There was no operation.
    There was a referendum of Crimeans, Crimea on joining Russia. Where the Crimeans, by law and all international rules, voted to return Russian Orthodox Christian to Russia, to return home. And the base of the Black Sea Fleet, there has always been about that, no one lied about it.