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Previously unknown Israeli submarine attack

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In June, an Israeli Navy submarine off the coast of Lebanon sank an unknown civilian vessel, killing dozens of people, including the captain, reported a blog oleggranovsky.


Previously unknown Israeli submarine attack


According to the report, during the 1982 war of the year, Israeli submarines as part of Operation Dryfus, including monitoring the Syrian maritime border in northern Lebanon, preparing to attack any Syrian warship if it tries to head south to the coast of Lebanon to attack the Israeli Navy .

One of the submarines observed the port of Tripoli (north of Lebanon). There were several civilian courts that took women and children out of the port of refugees. Then the ship was noticed, the main passengers of which were men. The commander who observed the periscope, it seemed that they were all dressed in the same clothes, perhaps in uniform. As a result, he decided that they were terrorists and hit an unknown vessel with two torpedoes. Nobody assisted by drowning.

Later, the commander claimed that he saw only men in the number of 30 to 40 people. Today it is alleged that the ship was 56 people. These were refugees heading for Cyprus. The Israeli command carried out an investigation and decided that it was not a war crime, therefore no criminal investigation followed.

It was noted that the commander attacked the ship, not having unambiguous information about the terrorists. Being at the periscope depth, he could easily get in touch and give the coordinates of the ship for inspection.

According to the author, this was the only ship sunk in this war by Israeli submarines fleet.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 23 November 2018 16: 01
    +26
    One does not have to be proud of such a victory ...
    1. IGU
      IGU 23 November 2018 16: 08
      -8
      Sorry and regret, too, did not have to and will not have to.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 23 November 2018 16: 14
        +4
        kanechna ... aaaaaaa not necessary.
        total war and sea blockade (?) all wrote off (?)
        1. Machito
          Machito 23 November 2018 16: 38
          +8
          Hiley Likely.
          Israeli corsairs drowned refugees with democratic torpedoes.
      2. Egorovich
        Egorovich 23 November 2018 16: 14
        +19
        Everything in the spirit of Israel, which was and continues to this day, without regret, without a sense of their guilt - they are the "chosen ones."
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 24 November 2018 13: 23
          0
          Quote: Egorovich
          Everything in the spirit of Israel, which was and continues to this day, without regret, without a sense of their guilt - they are the "chosen ones."

          After this, in the future, one should not be surprised at the disappearance of hidden ships exiled by God, as it was in 1968 with the submarine "Dakar" ...
          Fate, she, at times, takes revenge and is very cruel for the innocent victims ... yes
          But.
      3. IGU
        IGU 24 November 2018 14: 57
        0
        ABOUT! There are 13 Israelis on the site, and everyone has blundered me. Thanks for the statistics.
  2. SS-18 Satan
    SS-18 Satan 23 November 2018 16: 02
    +24
    sink a civilian ship, even if the captain was wrong .. this is a war crime.
    1. BAI
      BAI 23 November 2018 16: 44
      +4
      Nothing like this. It all depends on the cargo of the ship. No one called the German submariners drowning civilian ships of convoys criminals, even when they drowned unarmed ships in the southern Atlantic.
      The American captain of the submarine was generally awarded when he drowned German vehicles with Indian prisoners of war on board and then shot all those who survived in the water, including Indian prisoners (allies!).
    2. Professor
      Professor 23 November 2018 16: 45
      -26
      Quote: SS-18 Satan
      sink a civilian ship, even if the captain was wrong .. this is a war crime.

      The sinking of Wilhelm Gustloff too? request
      1. nafanal
        nafanal 23 November 2018 16: 54
        +17
        Finally, there was a big group of newly-made submariners on the gustlof. If the crews of a dozen submarines didn’t lie, it’s not known how many Soviet and allied ships were saved ..
        1. Professor
          Professor 23 November 2018 17: 10
          -17
          Quote: Nathanael
          Finally, there was a big group of newly-made submariners on the gustlof. If the crews of a dozen submarines didn’t lie, it’s not known how many Soviet and allied ships were saved ..

          I do not regret the sinking of the Germans, nevertheless, on this civilian steamer there were "373 women from the auxiliary naval corps, 162 seriously wounded soldiers and 8956 civilians, mainly old people, women and children." It was not for nothing that the Soviet leadership long and stubbornly denied the fact of involvement in the sinking and "The title of Hero of the Soviet Union was awarded to Alexander Ivanovich Marinesko posthumously on May 5, 1990 by the Decree of the President of the USSR M. Gorbachev, after rehabilitation initiated by the Izvestia newspaper."
          1. nafanal
            nafanal 23 November 2018 17: 18
            +14
            Yes, Gustloff’s drowning was not hidden. Apart from the Soviet Navy and the Germans, no one fought in the Baltic .. And the star was not handed over to Alexander Ivanovich for another reason. They attributed immorality ..
            1. Oden280
              Oden280 23 November 2018 17: 57
              +6
              He did not have to be attributed. He had enough amorality. Miraculously, the fleet did not fly out for a drink.
              1. nafanal
                nafanal 23 November 2018 18: 06
                +5
                But was drunkenness a sin in the Navy. They slapped him for contacting a foreigner .. He shot a waitress somersaulting in a bar so that he thwarted the exit to a combat mission. They could give a trial and the gooflack turned up successfully. But they clamped on the Hero ..
                1. Oden280
                  Oden280 23 November 2018 18: 12
                  +3
                  He had enough raids before the war.http: //fb.ru/article/334673/marinesko-aleksandr-ivanovich-biografiya-semya-i-podvig-geroya-podvodnika
          2. Graz
            Graz 23 November 2018 19: 13
            +5
            you forgot about Armenia’s motor ship sunk by the Germans, so we didn’t start first, I think the Germans needed to act tooth by tooth, burn alive those who were caught in the killing of civilians and landing on a stake, the Germans had to take indemnity from babies 27 million babies + material resources for their maintenance up to 18 years
          3. fedor13
            fedor13 23 November 2018 20: 09
            +1
            It’s your striped masters who rub you comfortable. Against this background, it’s more convenient to whitewash yourself, and you too. Are you far from the fascists, there are no questions about your masters
            .
          4. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 23 November 2018 20: 22
            +2
            Quote: Professor
            8956 civilians, mostly old people, women and children

            Is this your value judgment or do you have information? Mostly old people on January 22? The Russians at this time celebrate the capture of Warsaw, before the assault on Danzig for almost two months, there is a version that they were mainly specialists of the Kriegsmarine Submarine Fleet Training Center
      2. svp67
        svp67 23 November 2018 16: 55
        +21
        Quote: Professor
        The sinking of Wilhelm Gustloff too?

        In which place? This ship since 1939 was listed in the Kriegsmarine. In this case, military transport was drowned.
        Somehow in Germany they don't shed much tears over the sinking of our "Armenia"
      3. SS-18 Satan
        SS-18 Satan 23 November 2018 17: 07
        +15
        In September 1939, transferred to the naval forces and converted into a floating hospital with 500 beds. It was used as a hospital during the military operations of the German army in Poland.

        Since 1940, converted into a floating barracks. Used as a training vessel of the 2nd training division of diving of the navy in the port of Gotenhafen (Gdynia).

        any questions??
        1. Professor
          Professor 23 November 2018 17: 12
          -19
          Quote: SS-18 Satan
          any questions??

          There are xnumx questions.
          1. purple
            purple 23 November 2018 17: 30
            +5
            Quote: Professor
            There are xnumx questions.

            Well, why jump off the topic? Do you have something to say on the topic of the article?
            I understand. You have the best way to translate arrows in a conversation ... But should there be a conscience? At least a bit?
            1. Professor
              Professor 23 November 2018 17: 34
              -9
              Quote: purple
              Quote: Professor
              There are xnumx questions.

              Well, why jump off the topic? Do you have something to say on the topic of the article?
              I understand. You have the best way to translate arrows in a conversation ... But should there be a conscience? At least a bit?

              But there is no topic. There is no steamboat supposedly sunk and victims. We are now discussing the evil Zionists.
              1. purple
                purple 23 November 2018 17: 51
                +2
                good The arguments are just wonderful. good
              2. Dart2027
                Dart2027 23 November 2018 19: 19
                +4
                Quote: Professor
                But there is no topic. There is no steamboat supposedly sunk and victims.

                Quote: SS-18 Satan
                Since 1940, converted into a floating barracks. Used as a training vessel of the 2nd training division of diving of the navy in the port of Gotenhafen (Gdynia).
                And the fact that civilians were loaded onto a warship is a question exclusively to the Germans. Was the sunken submarine of Israel a military ship?
              3. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 23 November 2018 20: 53
                0
                Quote: Professor
                But there is no topic.

                Everyone wanted to ask why the anthem of Israel is tied mainly to David, although David, in Jewish history, is a very ambiguous figure?
              4. gunnerminer
                gunnerminer 24 November 2018 07: 14
                -4
                At that time, in the vicinity of Famagusta, there was a large Palestinian base. So the attack was justified.
          2. Leeds
            Leeds 23 November 2018 18: 15
            +7
            Admittedly, the professor is washed.
          3. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 23 November 2018 20: 26
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            There are xnumx questions.

            These are your questions. Tell us what they are, voice them, you talked about it.
      4. Bellerophon
        Bellerophon 23 November 2018 18: 46
        +10
        Gustloff was not a CIVIL SHIP. 1. The presence of weapons on board. 2. Camouflage painting. 3. Previously used as a military vessel - a floating barracks. 4. On board were the MILITARY MILITARY. 5. Located in the area of ​​warfare. The presence of civilians is not a sign of a CIVIL SHIP. Conclusion - you are REALLY ...
        1. kig
          kig 25 November 2018 14: 41
          0
          Among the survivors was a man named Heinz Schön. Subsequently, he can be said to have devoted his whole life to the study of this nightmare and wrote several books, and was also a co-author of several scripts. His findings:

          On board the Wilhelm Gustloff during torpedoing of the liner, were:

          - 918 - officers, non-commissioned officers and cadets of the 2nd battalion of the 2nd training submarine division;
          - 173 - members of the civil crew (sailors of the merchant fleet);
          - 162 - seriously wounded soldiers from the hospitals of Danzig and Gotenhafen;
          - 373 - women of the auxiliary composition of the Navy;
          - 8956 - refugees, mostly women with children and old people from Danzig, Gotenhafen, East and West Prussia.

          Total: 10582 people.
          1239 people were saved, including:

          - 528 - submariners of the 2nd battalion of the 2nd training submarine division;
          - 123 - women of the auxiliary composition of the Navy;
          - 86 - seriously injured;
          - 83 - crew members (merchant marine sailors)
          - 419 - refugees.


          At the same time, Shen’s memories contradict the memories of other survivors, and besides him, there are a lot of professional historians.

          There are also controversies regarding the identification marks of a hospital ship or others designating it as a civilian ship. Many survivors say the ship was painted white and had a red cross on its sides. On board were anti-aircraft guns and he was guarded by a warship, but at that time all civilian ships in convoys were armed and guarded by warships. In general, he could have pasted over with red crosses on all sides, it would not have done anything - any conventions there were not observed by anyone, and our sailors, of course, knew and remembered about "Armenia".

          In short, there was a war.
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 23 November 2018 18: 19
      0
      Quote: SS-18 Satan
      sink a civilian ship, even if the captain was wrong .. this is a war crime.

      It all depends on the specifics of military action. Terrorists use transport that is not marked by any military symbols: fishing boats, civilian ships.

      For example: the Terrorist Act on the Coastal Highway (in English-speaking sources also Slaughter on the Coastal Highway (English Coastal Road massacre), in Hebrew-speaking sources, Bloody Bus (Hebrew אוטובוס הדמים), in Arab sources, the operation “Kamal Aduan” - a terrorist act committed by militants of the Palestinian Fatah organization in Israel 11 in March 1978. A squad of 11 militants under the command of Dalal al-Mughrabi, disembarked from the sea in the Zikhron Ya'akov area, took hostage passengers of several buses and cars and transplanted them all into one bus, which headed towards Tel Aviv. Along the way, terrorists fired on other cars and buses. [1] During the hostage-taking, subsequent harassment and storming of the bus by the Israeli police and (allegedly) special forces, 39 Israeli citizens, including 13 children, more than 70 were killed - were injured. 9 militants were also killed, including al-Mughrabi herself. The attack served as a pretext for the Litani operation that began soon.
  3. Borik
    Borik 23 November 2018 16: 03
    +5
    Underwater pirates.
  4. Faceless
    Faceless 23 November 2018 16: 10
    +3
    The approach of the Israeli military has changed little since then ...
  5. edvardmiloslavsky
    edvardmiloslavsky 23 November 2018 16: 11
    +8
    the people who themselves were massacred, now they practice this ..
  6. Russian
    Russian 23 November 2018 16: 23
    -6
    It is not known which submarine sank; it is not known which ship it is unknown what date and month. It is also not known where the author got the information from.

    Neither the authorities of Lebanon nor the authorities of any other country received information about the disappearance of the ship. From the owners of the ship is also nothing.

    Reminds stories of "American astronauts" about alien ships on the Moon and other UFOs
    1. Kerensky
      Kerensky 24 November 2018 08: 05
      0
      It is not known which submarine sank; it is not known which ship it is unknown what date and month. It is also not known where the author got the information from.

      Andrei.
      I completely agree. A little deal with this issue.
  7. Bykov.
    Bykov. 23 November 2018 16: 25
    +7
    The Israeli command conducted an investigation and decided that this was not a war crime,

    It is necessary that the Germans themselves judge for the Holocaust. If they had then delivered a verdict of their own acquittal, and even the Jews would have been compensated for libel.
  8. Good cat
    Good cat 23 November 2018 16: 26
    +1
    And where are the comments of our Israeli friends, usually very active?
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 23 November 2018 16: 47
      -1
      Quote: Good cat
      And where are the comments of our Israeli friends, usually very active?

      And what can I comment on? I'm interested in something else. If there were civilians on the ship, why didn’t anyone raise the issue of this tragedy in 40 years? Ho, I can’t exclude the mistake made by the commander of the sub-l.
    2. Leclerc
      Leclerc 23 November 2018 17: 00
      -12
      April 1945, the war is basically over, the Soviet submarine sinks the ship "Goya", seemingly as revenge, 7 thousand go to the bottom, most civilians. Everyone shouts - Well done, heroes, feat! Give the captain a hero!

      And in general, against this background, some 40 bearded people do not understand whom (or understandably) against 7 thousand killed, the Israelis even have nothing to brag about, they are silent.
      1. purple
        purple 23 November 2018 17: 31
        +1
        Quote: Leclerc
        April 1945, the war is basically over, the Soviet submarine sinks the ship "Goya", seemingly as revenge, 7 thousand go to the bottom, most civilians. Everyone shouts - Well done, heroes, feat! Give the captain a hero!

        Another switchman ... laughing You lead syabya just like from jokes .... According to you, you can write a dissertation on the behavior of Jews on the forum when the smell is fried or nothing to say
    3. WapentakeLokki
      WapentakeLokki 24 November 2018 19: 21
      +1
      I am not a Jew, but ... sympathetic. The role of the captain of a submarine implies aggressiveness and the ability to make quick decisions. At the beginning of WW II, Lemp, torpedoing Attenia, also made the mistake of accepting the Desired (and what did he imagine seeing in the periscope the enemy flag war) for the Real, and in the end, Pope Dönitz punished him very moderately (it seems house arrest for a couple of weeks) so that the Israelis in their right not becoming to make a fuss and Nuremberg to their cap. A small provocative question; and the cap of an Arab submarine (Iranian , Iraqi, Egyptian, etc.) strongly doubted, if opening fire on an Israeli ship, let there be a whole maternity hospital on board, yeah) and Marinesko, I think not too much, bothering knowing that there are refugees on board Gustlov (Frau and Kinder) Between Israel and the surrounding Arab countries there is too much blood and ... there is no mercy (yeah of the Era of Mercy) and ... in general; in the era of martyrs, when any (even pregnant) aunt can be a suicide bomber and today's boy through For 5-7 years, the Kalash will take in his hands and start jihad, the concept of a `` peace man '' is in itself conditional. No matter how terrible it is, if you regret THEM today, in months or years you will bury YOURS and you need it ...
  9. sir_obs
    sir_obs 23 November 2018 16: 28
    +4
    In Odessa, a monument was erected to the Unknown Soldier Moishe Rabinovich. Everyone knows that it was Moishe, but it is not known whether he was a soldier.
    1. Professor
      Professor 23 November 2018 16: 48
      -7
      Quote: sir_obs
      In Odessa, a monument was erected to the Unknown Soldier Moishe Rabinovich. Everyone knows that it was Moishe, but it is not known whether he was a soldier.

      Ha ha ha So funny. Let's laugh at the monuments to unknown soldiers. What if Rabinovich was buried there. What if not a soldier was buried.
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        1. Professor
          Professor 23 November 2018 17: 28
          -3
          Quote: Shnobelson
          Of course!
          All famous soldiers
          these are the "fighters" of the Tashkent front.

          Meehan, go to the stump.
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      2. purple
        purple 23 November 2018 17: 32
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        Ha ha ha So funny. Let's laugh at the monuments to unknown soldiers. What if Rabinovich was buried there. What if not a soldier was buried.

        Well, I have no doubt that you are still laughing at it ...
      3. sir_obs
        sir_obs 23 November 2018 18: 05
        0
        Do not distort, professor, this is not the point of the joke
  10. Yasen Ping
    Yasen Ping 23 November 2018 16: 50
    +1
    why would they, when and where they want, they would fly once in response something good, just as if cut off, otherwise the gopnik didn’t get it worthily ..
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  12. rruvim
    rruvim 23 November 2018 17: 01
    +1
    In general, this is Operation Dreyfus, an allusion to the Dreyfus affair.
    Perhaps it was the evacuation of PLO fighters from Tripoli at one point from several truces (one of the versions). Oddly enough, the British do not allow the "divers" access to the sunken ship. The type of the vessel and the affiliation (flag) are not specified. From a conspiracy perspective, it is possible to understand (why Britain does not allow the study of the object), since the submarine and the torpedo were of English production, but it is not clear why people in "uniform" went to the British military base in Cyprus. Possibly "friendly" fire (torpedo attack). And not for the first time. Therefore, they classified it ... The commission on the "fact" was held only in 1995. Without any "intelligible" answers.
  13. Pimply
    Pimply 23 November 2018 17: 21
    0
    There is some distortion of the note Granovsky. There are more clearly placed accents.

    On the first day of observation, the submarine commander spotted a 4 civilian vessel, one after another leaving the port of Tripoli. Periscope observation showed that there are women and children on the ships, i.e. we are talking about refugees. The next day, several more ships were noticed, incl. one aroused suspicion. The submarine commander saw in the periscope only men, 30-40, dressed in the same clothes, perhaps military uniform, and decided that we are talking about terrorists. Considering that his instructions imply the right to open fire in this case, he gave the order to launch 2 torpedoes. The ship was hit and sank within an hour after torpedoing. The submarine continued to monitor the vessel until it sank, according to the commander, throughout the entire observation period (until it was dark), he continued to see only men. The name of the vessel and its displacement is not reported. Israeli sailors were forbidden to save drowning.

    It is not clear whether the men were militants or refugees or foreign workers who were trying to leave Lebanon (although some sources suggest that today they are definitely considered refugees, it is reported that there were 56 people on the ship and that it was sent to Cyprus ). It is important that the ship was sunk without unequivocal information that we are talking about terrorists. The submarine commander did not attempt to reach the radio link and target the vessel’s search of the surface forces of the Navy (in the absence of the enemy’s submarine defense and being at periscope depth, he could have done so).

    The commander of the boat returned to the port of Haifa, feeling like a hero. He ordered an inverted floor brush, a symbol of naval victory, to be raised on the wheelhouse of the boat. However, the command of the base and the flotilla (apparently already aware of what happened on the report on radio communications) did not share the commander’s inspiration and ordered the brush to be removed immediately. In 1995, the incident was investigated by Navy Commander at the time, Ami Ayalon. His conclusion: we are not talking about a war crime, although there was an error in understanding the situation by the boat commander. The criminal investigation was not open.
  14. Pimply
    Pimply 23 November 2018 17: 22
    +1
    It is also significant that even the most unpleasant incidents for the IDF are investigated, declassified and allowed to be published: these are questions about silencing losses, etc.
  15. high
    high 23 November 2018 17: 27
    -1
    By the way, there was a message in the Russian media:
    In the afternoon of November 22, “unidentified aircraft” bombed a pro-Iranian police base in Muhsan, Deir al-Zour province.
    As a result of the bombing, 20 militants were killed. Shiite camps are also bombed near the Syrian Air Force base at Deir al-Zour.
    Arab media attribute attack to Israel
    1. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 23 November 2018 18: 42
      0
      Yes really really their chosen God began to water? belay
  16. rruvim
    rruvim 23 November 2018 17: 53
    +2
    In general, it is interesting that the commission chaired by Amikhai Ayalon, 10-13 years later, did not find out the type and belonging of the vessel. Moreover, in documents it is sometimes referred to as a "ship", i.e. military, sometimes "ship" i.e. civil. All ships owned by Lebanon (or flying the Lebanese flag), owned by the Republic of Cyprus (or flying the Cyprus flag) were on Lloyd's register, except for ships up to 200 reg. tons. But on a ship up to 200 tons. there is no need to fire two Mark-37 torpedoes at periscope depth. This was clearly redundant. This means it was a large vessel (ship) heading to the British military base in Cyprus. Yes, and the warships of the British Empire Navy are not registered with Lloyd ... But this is one of the versions. In any case, Ami Ayalon's commission did not find out anything. Formally...
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 23 November 2018 17: 58
      0
      To catch up. Diesel-electric submarines "Gal" of English assembly had a film camera for filming a "view" from a periscope. But the tape was lost and the commission was not presented. Alas sad
  17. vladcub
    vladcub 23 November 2018 18: 01
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: SS-18 Satan
    any questions??

    There are xnumx questions.

    Actually, as I remember, there was no flag with a red cross on "Gustlav". 1, Now 2: using the hospital ship as a wine transport not according to the rules. 3 Marinescu being in a foreign country, he was AWOL and was gone for several days. According to the laws of wartime ... Therefore, they were hushed up
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 23 November 2018 18: 22
      +2
      He not only did not have a flag with a "red cross". He was in camouflage color (zigzags). He had guns on board, including anti-aircraft guns. Was accompanied by warships. A minesweeper for example. But in any case, the USSR did not sign any agreements on "Jeltelmen" behavior in the Sea. Although even then the Germans, the British and the Americans (1944) ceased to comply with it. Its torpedoing was considered legal. But in our time (even if it is the 30nd 82 years ago) to torpedo a ship that left Lebanon, because of the reason that men are visible there and in the same uniform or work clothes - Criminal! This became possible because our Israelis, our cohabitants, felt themselves unpunished ... And now they feel.
    2. Professor
      Professor 23 November 2018 18: 30
      -3
      Quote: vladcub
      As a matter of fact, as I remember, there was no flag with a red cross on "Gustlava". 1

      Like the supposedly Lebanese ship.

      Quote: vladcub
      Now 2: use the hospital ship as a wine transport, not according to the rules.

      I will not even ask what rules are involved. Transport with thousands of civilians went to the bottom. By the way, the same submarine sank another civilian transport, Stoiben. There, the truth was more modest with civilians.

      Quote: vladcub
      3 Marinescu, being in a foreign country, pulled into an AWOL and he was gone for several days. According to the laws of war ...

      He completed Kasayak through 8-9 months after the sinking of the transport. A sea of ​​time for granting the title of Hero and publishing a feat in Truth or Red Star.

      Quote: vladcub
      Therefore, they were silent

      No, that's not why. When it was necessary, everything and everyone was heroized. 28 Panfilov’s example. One of them (Dobrobabin) generally later served the Germans, but this did not interfere with propaganda.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 23 November 2018 18: 38
        0
        And what are you still standing up for the Germans. Citizens came out of Danzig, there was a nearby Stutthof camp. Xnumx Jews were shot on the beach. Maybe Marinescu avenged them?
        1. Professor
          Professor 23 November 2018 18: 39
          -4
          Quote: rruvim
          And what are you still standing up for the Germans. Citizens came out of Danzig, there was a nearby Stutthof camp. Xnumx Jews were shot on the beach. Maybe Marinescu avenged them?

          Quote: Professor
          I do not regret the sinking of the Germans
  18. faterdom
    faterdom 23 November 2018 18: 26
    +4
    After 6 years, the American Navy supported the initiative: the Iranian Boeing shot down a full passenger, taking it for a fighter ... As a thorough and impartial investigation showed, no one is to blame - it just happened in connection with the aggressiveness of Iran, which brazenly launched passenger planes, which frightened civilians sailors controlling the traffic of democratic Saudi-Kuwaiti oil.
    1. asar
      asar 25 November 2018 14: 02
      0
      Yes, an accident ......! And if Iran had perished the amer plane ....?
  19. akribos
    akribos 23 November 2018 18: 36
    +1
    Strangely, the article does not say about the name and affiliation of the vessel.
  20. rruvim
    rruvim 23 November 2018 18: 40
    +2
    Already it was:
    On June 8, 1967, the American reconnaissance ship Liberty (USS Liberty electronic intelligence ship) was attacked and seriously damaged by Israeli aircraft and torpedo boats. Killed 34 people, 171-173 sailors were injured. Refusing the help offered by the Soviet ship, Liberty went to La Valletta (Malta) for urgent repairs. It was the first American ship to be fired after World War II..
  21. rruvim
    rruvim 23 November 2018 18: 46
    +2
    And also (not to forget):
    Israeli warships attacked a humanitarian convoy of six ships heading for the Gaza Strip, AP reports citing the Arab television channel Al-Jazeera and Turkish television company NTV. As a result of the ensuing battle, many passengers of the "Peace Flotilla" were killed and wounded.

    Initially, Turkish television reported that as a result of the shelling of Free Gaza vessels, at least two people were killed and about 50 were injured, according to NEWSru Israel. According to the latest data, 19 people were killed, the British satellite channel Sky News reports. At least nine Turkish citizens are among the victims, local media reported.

    36 people were injured, the condition of one of them is assessed as critical, Interfax reports with reference to the 10th channel of Israeli television. According to unconfirmed reports, poet Raed Salah, one of the leaders of the Islamic Movement in Israel, was seriously injured during the attack, who was previously arrested by the Israeli authorities on suspicion of financing the Hamas movement.

    The Israeli army admitted that at least 15 participants in a rally of solidarity with the people of the Gaza Strip were killed during the assault on the Turkish Marmara ferry, but considers the actions of its naval special forces as self-defense
    .
  22. regdan
    regdan 23 November 2018 18: 50
    0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXDrGuYArSQ
    fascist state ...
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 23 November 2018 19: 46
      0
      Quote: regdan
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXDrGuYArSQ
      fascist state ...

      Are you tired of stupid writing?
  23. PalBor
    PalBor 23 November 2018 22: 06
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    Moreover, this is generally the only ship sunk by Israeli submarines for all wars. And that is peaceful. For example, in 1967, they tried to act against Egyptian warships, but alas. Egyptians, however, too smile
    1. Avior
      Avior 24 November 2018 01: 24
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      for all the time after the war, the submarines sank only 2 ships accurately and one, presumably.
      and that’s it.
      1. PalBor
        PalBor 24 November 2018 11: 19
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        It’s just that the Israeli shot and didn’t hit, but for example, the Soviet didn’t hit because they didn’t shoot.
  24. HMR333
    HMR333 24 November 2018 00: 31
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    this is a war crime, this is the deliberate murder of dozens of people on the basis of the fact that they are men and supposedly dressed alike! if they suspected them they could track the path and if they sailed to Israel then take measures but not destroy people because of delirium! at mcdonalds, the workers are also dressed alike!
  25. Avior
    Avior 24 November 2018 01: 23
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    Today it is claimed that there were 56 people on board. These were refugees bound for Cyprus.

    it is unclear who affirms.
  26. brr1
    brr1 24 November 2018 13: 21
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    Quote: Professor
    I do not regret the sinking of the Germans, however, on this civilian steamer there were "373 women from the auxiliary naval corps, 162 seriously wounded military personnel and 8956 civilians, mostly old people,

    I think you wouldn’t regret too much about the sinking of Russians, and other nations.
  27. asar
    asar 25 November 2018 13: 59
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    War criminals! No talking!
  28. Wizzzard
    Wizzzard 25 November 2018 14: 19
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    Hykh ... Eka nevidal - a torpedo on an Arab (Syrian or Lebanese) civilian ship ... They beat out Uncle Sam, so that he could stay at a distance.
    On June 8, 1967, during the Six Day War, Israeli pilots bombed reconnaissance. to the US ship "Liberty" ("Freedom"). 34 sailors were killed, and even more were wounded (these are data from the newspaper Haaretz).
    So what? The details of the incident are still classified by Washington and Langley, and they took a non-disclosure subscription from the surviving sailors even then, on 1967. In this case, negotiations Isr. the pilot with his manual has already been published:

    Israeli ship to IDF war room Do you still want us to attack?
    IDF war room to Israeli pilot: Yes, follow orders.
    Israeli ship to IDF war room: But sir, it's an American ship - I can see the flag!
    IDF war: Never mind; hit it.


    As Orwell wrote in Animal Farm:

    All cattle are equal, but some cattle are more equal than others.