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NI named five "worst" examples of Soviet small arms

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American magazine The National Interest, which is famous for its "expert" opinions on completely different issues relating to military issues in general, this time decided to make a rating of the Soviet weaponswhich according to the authors of the study is the worst. So, we present the top five worst types of small arms in the USSR.


Charlie Gao, the author of the publication, put the experimental machine gun of the Soviet designer Georgy Semenovich Shpagin in the first place of his list.

NI named five "worst" examples of Soviet small arms


In the design of his machine gun, Shpagin applied the principle of recoil of a free gate, which proved itself in the machine pistols. However, he failed due to the fact that the nodes and mechanisms of the weapon did not correspond to the much higher power of the intermediate cartridge. The bolt of the machine weighed 1,2 kg, and the total weight of the weapon was 5,5 kg. When firing, the machine shook a strong vibration, which negated the merits of the new cartridge, the shutter rollback worked poorly. The machine gun was removed from the contest after 315 shots.

The next on the list was the experimental machine AC-106P of model 1955, designed by designer Sergey Gavrilovich Simonov.



In the design of the automatic machine for power unloading the cover of the receiver and slowing down the rate of fire, a long stroke of the piston rod was used. In addition, Simonov placed the return mechanism in front of the slide frame in the receiver, securing by turning the sector of the spring stop, located on the piston rod. Fixing the frame with a return mechanism was carried out with a detachable handle. The stem tube was attached to the gas chamber with a check. During testing, such a system was recognized unreliable and the machine was removed from the tests.

The AB-7,62 and AB-5,45 designs by Anatoly Baryshev fell into third place on the list of the "worst" Soviet weapons:



The author of the study calls these machines "strange". In the design of this machine, Baryshev, with the aim of minimizing weight, refused the gas piston and the gas tube, and instead put them a handle for carrying. Automation in Baryshev’s weapons was based on a semi-free shutter and a rear sheptal, the shot was made with the shutter open. The weapon had a weak recoil, but the shot was accompanied by a loud sound and a bright flash. Another problem was the rapid contamination of weapons. In the series, the machine did not go.

Next on the list of the “worst” Soviet weapons from the American magazine is an automatic rifle designed by Fyodor Vasilyevich Tokarev AVT-40.



This design was developed in 1940 year based on the rifle SVT-40. It was assumed that the new rifle will fire in bursts, which compensates for the lack of light machine guns. However, it was not taken into account that SVT-40 is not adapted for such shooting. The design of the rifle did not provide the required strength of parts and the reliability of the automation. The accuracy of the battle of this rifle did not meet the requirements of the army and in 1942, it was removed from production. The rate of fire of the AVT-40 when firing in short bursts is 40-50 rds / min, with continuous fire - 70-80 rds / min.

And closes the list of infantry-grenade launcher complex OTs-14 "Thunderstorm", created in Tula TsKIB SOO



The complex is a kind of alteration of the AKS-74U according to the bull pap scheme. According to the authors of the study, this rifle-grenade complex has many drawbacks. Although more than 70% parts are compatible with Kalashnikov assault rifles, weapon design is very difficult to disassemble and maintain. Another problem is the impossibility of firing from this weapon to "left-handed" fighters, the sleeves fly straight to the face. In the absence of a grenade launcher, the center of gravity is shifted strongly back, which makes it difficult to conduct aimed fire.
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  1. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 23 November 2018 10: 13
    +62
    They gave as an example mainly weapons that were not accepted for service. But how loud it sounds - five "worst" examples of Soviet small arms. And in the American army, the M-16 and its analogues have been in service for decades, and there are plenty of claims to it.
    1. Machito
      Machito 23 November 2018 10: 18
      +103
      Forgot to mention my self-made, made in childhood from a tube from the bed. lol
      1. figwam
        figwam 23 November 2018 10: 20
        +30
        What a stupid American propaganda.
        1. meandr51
          meandr51 23 November 2018 11: 10
          +14
          On that stand. "Dumb and Dumber!" is their principle.
      2. Simargl
        Simargl 23 November 2018 20: 43
        +6
        Quote: Bearded
        Forgot to mention my samopal
        It is much better than the self-made, which I invented, but did not because of the terrible design.
    2. pvv113
      pvv113 23 November 2018 10: 23
      +27
      This selection of failures was made specifically so that against their background the M-16 seemed ideal wink
    3. Siberian54
      Siberian54 23 November 2018 11: 31
      +5
      The usual propaganda article as part of preparing its population for a war with us. AVT-40-they at that time did not have automatic rifles at all ... of course bad ...
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 23 November 2018 12: 19
        -10
        Quote: Siberian54
        AVT-40-at that time they did not have automatic rifles at all ... of course, bad ...

        so why ...
        M1 Garand - year adoption by the US Army 1936

        M1 Carbine - - year adoption by the US Army 1938
        1. combat192
          combat192 23 November 2018 12: 36
          +22
          Both samples are not automatic, but self-loading.
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 23 November 2018 12: 45
            +4
            Browning BAR M1918 - no? 1918 year.
      2. Fox
        Fox 23 November 2018 12: 53
        -16
        Since 1918, they had a BAR, which served as an automatic rifle and light machine gun. If we had adopted it, and not engaged in invention, it would have replaced the frankly unsuccessful AVT-40 and RPD. And this is 20 years before the war!
        1. goose
          goose 23 November 2018 13: 20
          +19
          Quote: Fox
          Since 1918, they had a BAR, which served as an automatic rifle and light machine gun. If we had adopted it rather than invented it, it would have replaced the frankly unsuccessful AVT-40 and RPD

          Are you kidding me? The BAR weighed more than the ZB-26, a full-fledged light machine gun.
          PDM was definitely no worse.
          Frankly outdated design at the beginning of the 30s.
          1. Fox
            Fox 23 November 2018 13: 33
            -16
            It weighed normally, and therefore could fire in bursts, unlike the AVT and the more modern M14. The ZB-26, with its 20-round magazine and increased by 30, is exactly the same "full-fledged" as the BAR. That DP, that DPM with their disc is not worse only in ideal conditions. Regarding the "legacy construction"
            The Browning M1918 rifle is classified as automatic, with air cooling and the removal of powder gases [2]. Its design consists of 125 parts. The rifle vent assembly is located under the barrel. The bolt is locked by a lever connected to the bolt frame [2]: the lever is pivotally attached to the eyelet located in the middle part of the bolt, and the bolt is attached through the hinged earring to the bolt frame. There is a ledge at the top of the milled box. A return spring is placed in the guide tube.
            After moving forward the shutter frame connected to it, the lever locks the shutter under the action of a return spring [2], skewing upwards and clinging its supporting surface to the supporting surface of the protrusion of the receiver. The shutter during the movement of the frame reaches the hemp of the trunk and stops, the bolt frame rotates the earring and raises the back of the locking lever, after which a shot is fired, while the loading handle remains stationary.

            Automation with the removal of powder gases is used in most modern light and unified machine guns, but at the same time most of them do not have the loading handle stationary!
        2. dvina71
          dvina71 23 November 2018 13: 48
          +22
          Quote: Fox
          If we had adopted it, and not engaged in invention,

          VAR is the purest machine gun and cannot replace the infantryman’s personal weapon in any way. So I wouldn’t compare it at all with the SVT .. 4kg weight .. when it’s under 10 ..
          Well, if you compare it with the DP (RPD machine gun under an intermediate cartridge) .., then they began to be developed according to the results of the 1st world .. in the USA in 17g, and in the USSR in 23g .. (at 27 adopted) .. reasons .. So the DP had a 47 cartridge disk magazine, and the Browning had only 20 with equal weight .. and this can be finished ..
          1. Fox
            Fox 23 November 2018 14: 31
            -18
            During the time you charge 1 disc to the DP, you can charge at least 10 stores to the BAR. Yes, and the weight of the DP disk without cartridges is 1,6 kg. About the "purest machine gun":
            Browning M1918 was designed specifically for infantry going on the attack. The machine gun could be worn on a belt, and it could be shot from the hip (in the trench warfare it was understood that the soldier needed the shooting technique on the go (English). [3], however, more often than not, American soldiers used it as a manual one ( stationary) machine gun, installing directly on the bipod (they appeared in later samples) [

            1. mmaxx
              mmaxx 24 November 2018 04: 13
              +13
              Try to drag a machine gun on yourself for one day. At least without cartridges.
              In the army, and especially in the war, everything is fine, but you sleep very little, and you plow very much. And carry extra pounds, believe me, there is no pleasure. Awareness of their own coolness will be held on the second day.
              Nafig browning. Under machine gun, rifle.
            2. goose
              goose 27 November 2018 17: 30
              0
              Quote: Fox
              During the time that you charge 1 drive to the DP, you can charge at least 10 stores to the BAR.

              Well, watch how the BAR store is charged in Save Private Ryan, for fun. And then place it next to the ZB-26, DPM or Type99 on the bipod and try again, then compare them. Disappointments await you. Even the Japanese are better. Moreover, in some places Madsen during the First World War and even better.
              1. Fox
                Fox 27 November 2018 23: 43
                0
                In film! wassat
                See how the DP store charges:

                I didn’t find how the BAR store with the help of clips was charging, but something like this:
        3. Poor
          Poor 24 November 2018 09: 59
          +14
          I love the commentators who read the letters and scratch my ears laughing Do you have an AVT-40? not request And I have a very serious machine that requires care (thorough cleaning) and works like a clock, but do not forget that it is a rifle and a machine-gun cartridge, because in the manual it is written in short bursts, otherwise the trunk of the khan, everything else is done honestly and reliable. Eternal memory to the great Fyodor Vasilyevich Tokarev, the inventor of a beautiful pistol and rifles. drinks
        4. lukewarm
          lukewarm 24 November 2018 14: 54
          +5
          And how much did they themselves have this machine gun widespread in the army?
          Quote: Fox
          If we had adopted it, and not engaged in invention,

          if I continue, I would never get my own experience and my own school. And who suggested it to us to adopt?
          1. Alf
            Alf 24 November 2018 17: 14
            +3
            Quote: unwillingly
            And who suggested it to us to adopt?

            Interestingly. In 1928, the Union purchased a batch of Thompsons as light machine guns. But it is precisely "purchased", not a production license.
        5. Senior seaman
          Senior seaman 24 November 2018 17: 05
          +3
          frankly unsuccessful AVT-40 and RPD.

          And what is this RPD is not successful?

          You probably meant DP?
          1. Clone
            Clone 26 November 2018 11: 49
            0
            Quote: Senior Sailor
            And what is this RPD is not successful?

            Significant weight and time to recharge.
        6. Romka47
          Romka47 26 November 2018 11: 56
          +1
          Do not touch the RPD !!!!! A disk of 47 rounds (and to hell with it that there is no single fire), this BAR near the RPD is generally a bzdykalka for children. Oh sorry sorry RPD with DP27 confused, And with RPD so much more so BAR is not a comparison !!!!
          1. goose
            goose 27 November 2018 17: 36
            +1
            Quote: Romka47
            Oh sorry RPD with DP27 confused

            you need to understand that there was not enough clean DP-27. The main amount was DP made after the modernization of 1938 with cured childhood illnesses and reduced cost.
    4. Comrade Beria
      Comrade Beria 23 November 2018 13: 37
      +10
      Oh, it turns out that Shpagin used the horn long before Hugo Schmeiser appeared in the USSR.
    5. Hammerlock
      Hammerlock 23 November 2018 15: 21
      +1
      yes let them make fun, we won’t
    6. Pimply
      Pimply 23 November 2018 17: 40
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60

      They gave as an example mainly weapons that were not accepted for service. But how loud it sounds - five "worst" examples of Soviet small arms. And in the American army, the M-16 and its analogues have been in service for decades, and there are plenty of claims to it.


      along with the flaws there is full and worth
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 24 November 2018 10: 57
        +6
        Quote: Pimply
        along with the flaws there is full and worth

        So in the samples presented in this list, also probably had their advantages ...

        "Mashka" (that is to say, M16) did not kick at us (quite a tinned one, I must say, even in spite of all its "full of dignity"), except maybe lazy. However, it should be noted that in Soviet sources, the AVT-40 (as well as the AVS-36) was treated very, very critically, fairly objectively listing all its shortcomings and sores. And those who are interested in the history of Soviet small arms know about them for a long time. So Mr. X from "NI" did not discover any such Americas at all ...
    7. Horse, people and soul
      Horse, people and soul 24 November 2018 17: 45
      0
      And in the American army, the M-16 and its analogues have been in service for decades, and there are plenty of claims to it.


      This M-16 and its analogues in the world have shot down billions of rounds of ammunition for all time. The Vietnamese M-16 and a modern rifle of the same design are essentially two different things.

      hi
  2. Azazelo
    Azazelo 23 November 2018 10: 17
    +5
    Dig in your shit ...
  3. Hagalaz
    Hagalaz 23 November 2018 10: 17
    +29
    A strange approach, evaluate samples that did not go into series. That's why they are tested, what would weed out the worst.
  4. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 23 November 2018 10: 18
    +9
    Experimental models of weapons have always been in all states, through trial and error they came to a logical result - the creation of the main weapon that came to the military. Let then lay out different types of small arms from other countries.
  5. Rusj
    Rusj 23 November 2018 10: 18
    -9
    M 16 worst automatic rifle! Its the same Americans that in Afghanistan and at any hot spot they throw it out or sell it to the locals and take Kalash for themselves.
    1. vredlo
      vredlo 23 November 2018 11: 16
      +9
      oh well, they threw it right away, the breech trunk was issued far from completely, such, let's say, dubious information does not need to be written not N And, and indeed it is (m 16) and bad, far from ideal, but not rubbish all yet, and at the expense of the worst, it’s for you to the Indians (INSAS) and the impudent not far
      1. KCA
        KCA 23 November 2018 11: 49
        +1
        My brother bought a hunting American carbine in the late 90s, dear as much as PPC, more than 7 thousand dollars then, plus optics for a half-dollar, in the spring and autumn he goes to the White Sea to fly a goose, and so the carbine doesn’t uncover at all, although he took geese from a kilometer or more to shoot, it’s difficult to crawl closer, the guard is watching where there is special forces, and everything is crawling for hours on an old-fashioned flight with an old Sauer double-barreled g-mammoth, it’s older than me, and his father, but he left There are no complaints, that's how the M-16 lies somewhere in the safe, and the soldiers are fighting for the poppy blossom with AK and AK-74
    2. Glory1974
      Glory1974 23 November 2018 13: 38
      +4
      M 16 worst automatic rifle! Its the same Americans that in Afghanistan and at any hot spot they throw it out or sell it to the locals and take Kalash for themselves.

      Well, maybe they didn’t throw it away. But the fact that the Marine Corps is re-equipping the German NK-416, and the manufacturers are required to make copies of Soviet machine guns and machine guns, indicates that their weapons are indeed far from the best in the world, as the same magazine is trying to tell us.
      1. Smol79
        Smol79 23 November 2018 14: 03
        -2
        igil need to be supplied with something, here are the copies and make
    3. Huumi
      Huumi 23 November 2018 17: 54
      +1
      Will you forgive normal?
    4. AUL
      AUL 23 November 2018 18: 17
      +4
      Quote: Rusj
      M 16 worst automatic rifle! Its the same Americans that in Afghanistan and at any hot spot they throw it out or sell it to the locals and take Kalash for themselves.

      Strange, however, you have a notion of the order in the US army! M16 is the property of the US government, and it is very fraught to throw it away, and even more so to sell it! And they are forbidden to take Kalash - the sound of the shots is very different, and it is easy to fly in under "friendly fire"!
      1. Alf
        Alf 24 November 2018 17: 16
        0
        Quote: AUL
        And they are forbidden to take Kalash - the sound of the shots is very different, and it is easy to fly in under "friendly fire"!

        You are right, but even without this they fall under frightening regularity under a friendly fire.
      2. phalanger
        phalanger 24 November 2018 22: 01
        0
        * Kalash is forbidden to them - the sound of the shots is very different * about this, it was said in an interview with an American general who fought as a lieutenant. from his words, it is a unit. the reason why he did not take AK
  6. Lieutenant Teterin
    Lieutenant Teterin 23 November 2018 10: 18
    +19
    A strange list. "Thunderstorm" is far from the worst version of the bullpup assault rifle, the same British SA-80 is completely the creation of a gloomy idiot - low reliability, shifted center of gravity ... in a word, a curse for the shooter, not a weapon.
    Yes, and the AVT-40 is undeservedly on this list - the termination of its production was due to the complexity of production, the former reason for the unacceptably low longitude of the production cycle in wartime, and not some shortcomings. The American M-14 was also not particularly suitable for automatic fire.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 23 November 2018 11: 59
      +8
      Absolutely agree. Look at how many pictures of WWII, Fritz with a trophy rifle AVT-40, and even then they knew about weapons ....
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 23 November 2018 12: 10
        +3
        Exactly. And our marines with her went through the whole war.
      2. Comrade Beria
        Comrade Beria 23 November 2018 13: 47
        +11
        Quote: Snail N9
        Look at how many pictures of WWII, Fritz with a trophy rifle AVT-40

        With SVT-40, probably.
        1. Poor
          Poor 24 November 2018 10: 04
          +2
          But what is the difference you know? we increase the course of the descent - and the turn goes, this revision was not done by Tokarev himself, but at the front in the workshop, and then Tokarev made a change and went into serial production. laughing
      3. Fat
        Fat 17 January 2019 01: 09
        0
        Quote: Snail N9
        Absolutely agree. Look at how many pictures of WWII, Fritz with a trophy rifle AVT-40, and even then they knew about weapons ....

        However, ABC-36 from Simonov was popular in the top ...
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 November 2018 16: 38
      +2
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      "Thunderstorm" is far from the worst version of the bullpup assault rifle

      It's just that someone is still bombing from their OICW - so they are trying to prove that others had the same, but only worse. smile
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 23 November 2018 16: 40
        +1
        Most likely, yes, an attempt to say something in the style: "Well, not only did we go so crazy!" smile
    3. Malisch
      Malisch 11 December 2018 20: 21
      0
      A thunderstorm was created for the battle in the city, and I tried SVT 40 in 91 in North Africa, as if still proud of what I managed to try
      1. Red_Baron
        Red_Baron 13 December 2018 04: 02
        0
        So share your feelings! :)
    4. Malisch
      Malisch 11 December 2018 20: 30
      0
      But the bayonet-knife in SA 80, not bad
  7. Key 32
    Key 32 23 November 2018 10: 19
    +7
    Thunderstorm then for sho?)
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 23 November 2018 10: 39
      +8
      Quote: Key32

      Thunderstorm then for sho?)

      The grenade launcher complex is inconvenient to use without a grenade launcher. laughing
      1. Alex 2016
        Alex 2016 23 November 2018 12: 26
        +11
        A thunderstorm variant without a grenade launcher, has a tactical handle for holding. And if you still install a silencer, it’s a fairy tale. A good machine for your tasks and goals. It is foolish to demand power and range howitzers from a slingshot)))


  8. K-50
    K-50 23 November 2018 10: 27
    +5
    In the absence of an under-barrel grenade launcher, the center of gravity shifts strongly backward, which makes it difficult to conduct aimed fire.

    All bullpups have this drawback, and yet, such small arms designs are found in many armies.
  9. Ryzhik
    Ryzhik 23 November 2018 10: 35
    +8
    The third article from NI only in the morning. What the... negative
    You still begin to publish the Ukrainian press, there are also full of invoices. winked
    1. JD1979
      JD1979 23 November 2018 10: 41
      +4
      The third article from NI only in the morning. What the ... negative


      Aggravation ...
  10. Faceless
    Faceless 23 November 2018 10: 42
    +3
    Another nonsense from NI.
  11. wooja
    wooja 23 November 2018 10: 47
    +1
    an extremely stupid article, God bless him with the source ... but where did the admins and moderators look while posting this material .....?
    1. Chilean Abalon
      Chilean Abalon 23 November 2018 13: 02
      0
      They looked there) The more site traffic, the more money from advertising.
  12. Zubr
    Zubr 23 November 2018 10: 49
    +1
    They would also, guns and mortars compared the times of Ivan the Terrible .. smile
    1. Alf
      Alf 24 November 2018 17: 18
      +1
      Quote: Zubr
      They would also, guns and mortars compared the times of Ivan the Terrible .. smile

      Do not shoot the office, it’s in the plans of NO ...
  13. Zaval
    Zaval 23 November 2018 10: 50
    +7
    "Do not go, kids, to buy Russian weapons, for successful models of weapons are the exception and the nonsense they are doing" - this is the whole point of the reviews of Russian weapons on The National Interest.
  14. justas-xnumx
    justas-xnumx 23 November 2018 10: 51
    +1
    The only model that was really in service is the AVT-40, in the article, for some reason, designated as SVT-40. It is clear that, in practice, this is one weapon, but "all the same!"
    1. irazum
      irazum 23 November 2018 15: 27
      -1
      Probably there was some kind of confusion here, the automatic rifle was the ABC design of Simonov, and Tokarev had an SVT. ABC was discontinued allegedly because of Stalin, who said that because of automatic fire, the consumption of cartridges increased sharply, which was not very good at the beginning of the war.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 23 November 2018 16: 57
        +4
        Quote: irazum
        Probably there was some kind of confusion here, the automatic rifle was the ABC design of Simonov, and Tokarev had an SVT.

        There is no confusion.
        First was the Simonov ABC-36 automatic rifle.
        And then, after adopting the Tokarev SVT-40 self-loading rifle, they decided to make an automatic rifle based on it. The result was the AVT-40.
      2. Poor
        Poor 24 November 2018 10: 07
        +1
        educate yourself if you have a space, this does not mean that there is no ABT-40 lol
  15. BAI
    BAI 23 November 2018 11: 05
    +1
    Well led experimental samples. So what? If there are a number of models of military hardware, then naturally there are the best and the worst. Everyone is looking for what he likes.
    1. Clone
      Clone 23 November 2018 12: 54
      +3
      Quote: BAI
      Everyone is looking for what he likes.

      "The pig will find dirt everywhere!" (from) repeat
  16. sergo1914
    sergo1914 23 November 2018 11: 16
    +4
    IMHO - the rating did p.ed.i.k. The main drawback is that you can scratch a manicure (or even break a fingernail) and curls from a hairstyle can get into the shutter device. But which of our gunsmiths could predict the appearance of THESE ???
  17. Bolo
    Bolo 23 November 2018 11: 33
    +3
    An article about how a pig rated pearls ...
  18. Stas Snezhin
    Stas Snezhin 23 November 2018 11: 39
    +3
    Thought SCS will hait, I will stand up for defense.
    It turned out No ...
    1. AUL
      AUL 23 November 2018 18: 24
      +2
      Served with him, No.JJ2482. Great car!
      1. Good mat
        Good mat 24 November 2018 09: 39
        +4
        Trampled with him on taxiways of the "Big Airfield" in Khabarovsk all April 1984, we were being prepared for parades on May 1 and 9. "On the play-e-cho!", "To no-o-ge!", "To k'ra-a-ul!" and other drill exercises ... I didn't have a chance to shoot with him, they were all ceremonial with holes drilled in the barrel near the breech, like the boots, in which we only went on parade, they were also in a small hole like sandals))), so that together with us after the parade, we would not "disperse" in parts, but while taxiing for 6-8 hours a day as a drill soldier, we killed our own ... As the commander of this our team hodgepodge, lieutenant colonel said, " combat "balleruns"! ", and he, s'ka, did)))) One thing is good, SKS is much easier for AKM and march with him, even in the position" on the shoulder "when he does not touch his shoulder, but is in his left palm, pressed to the body, standing upright on it, is still easier than with the same AKM on the neck.))) I don't remember his number. but I remember both or two of my "Kalash" in training, and then in the regiment - ChK-1179 and AB-831 and hell, probably when I forget ... "After all, from the taiga to the British seas, the Red Army is the strongest!" ... ...
        1. kitt409
          kitt409 24 November 2018 22: 39
          +1
          The only difference we had was that we had shooting, half of them had Kalash, half of the SCS, and drill, too, all the way, but on November 7) - parade))
    2. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 23 November 2018 18: 58
      +3
      Yes, for the SCS throat ....
      When he came to serve, they were armed with them ... At night in the underground caponiers at the AKP shot pigeons were shot, only in the head, there were cartridges ... And the pigeons ate at the next elevator ... fat ...
      You’ll fill a bucket, weld ... oh ...
      1. Ace Tambourine
        Ace Tambourine 23 November 2018 19: 12
        +2
        And still I can’t understand how they managed to sleep on working diesels ....
        But he himself sinned with this ...
        1. Alf
          Alf 24 November 2018 17: 21
          +4
          Quote: Ace of Diamonds
          And still I can’t understand how they managed to sleep on working diesels ....

          If a soldier does not sleep in any position and in any conditions, then his loads are insufficient. laughing
          1. Ace Tambourine
            Ace Tambourine 24 November 2018 17: 23
            +2
            Well, that means they loaded us to the fullest ... But somehow it was not noticed in our youth ... Dope was enough for a second set ...
  19. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 23 November 2018 12: 14
    +6
    People worked. And for this they bow deep to them. Something turned out something not. And this is normal. It’s not normal to waste in vain.
  20. shura7782
    shura7782 23 November 2018 12: 39
    +2
    From this article, it is surprising that these experimental products (except for SVT) and their details somehow reached the "partners".
  21. georggy
    georggy 23 November 2018 12: 43
    +1
    Let your best samples show
  22. nafanal
    nafanal 23 November 2018 12: 45
    +5
    Wonderful are your deeds God ... SVT-40 on the basis of which AVT-40 was made was the most coveted trophy of the Wehrmacht infantryman .. Along with dad Shpagin and TTeshnik .. Yes, and why would the infantryman shoot a burst with a burst in a limited store
    1. Hermann
      Hermann 23 November 2018 13: 00
      +1
      By the way, I add that the AVT-40 was produced at least until 1944, and was not discontinued in 1942 as stated in the article.
  23. Clone
    Clone 23 November 2018 12: 50
    +3
    An absolutely far-fetched "analysis" ...
  24. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 23 November 2018 13: 27
    0
    In fact, the OTs-14 was developed for special forces ... A shot from its grenade launcher is more powerful than from a BMP ...
  25. Wilderness
    Wilderness 23 November 2018 13: 27
    +2
    When you read such "experts", you ask the question: How many samples of equipment did he personally develop that were put into service to become an expert? Automata? Tanks? Airplanes, etc.?
  26. UAT
    UAT 23 November 2018 14: 17
    +2
    Dear readers of military warfare, do you know what is most interesting in this article ???
    In my opinion, its original is not on the National Interest website))))))))))))

    So you can keep undermining your farts because of those "nudebilis"
    1. Knizhnik
      Knizhnik 23 November 2018 15: 40
      0
      By the way, before, when reprinting, they gave a reference to VO, if not to an article, then at least to a site. Maybe there really is no such article?
  27. Knizhnik
    Knizhnik 23 November 2018 15: 36
    +1
    Charlie Gao is a certain person who suddenly decided that he was an expert on weapons. Writes for the "National Interest", often about Russian weapons, naturally, as it should be "exceptional", in a critically ironic manner. A sort of reading, entertainment, diluted with terms. Here he is, a Hollywood consultant.
    1. UAT
      UAT 23 November 2018 15: 53
      0
      and please give a reference to the original article? I want to practice reading critical ironic English.
      1. Knizhnik
        Knizhnik 23 November 2018 22: 23
        0
        https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/americas-special-forces-are-killing-machine-what-about-everyone-else-24622
  28. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 23 November 2018 16: 16
    0
    The OTs-14 "Thunderstorm" rifle-grenade launcher is an excellent weapon, although it did not use it alive, it did not fail in Stalker, and who would use the grenade launcher without a grenade launcher))))
    1. doctor
      doctor 23 November 2018 19: 08
      +1
      Yeah. In Stalker, Thunderstorm has always been a favorite cannon. good
  29. alex aircraft
    alex aircraft 24 November 2018 00: 07
    0
    Why didn’t the thunderstorm enter the army ?? although it flickered into the first Chechen one at the beginning of the thunderstorm-thunderstorm-1u Special Forces of the GRU? Inertia of thinking or sucks ??
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  30. Ham
    Ham 24 November 2018 09: 06
    0
    showed samples that were never taken into service ... apparently The National Interest is the local branch of VO
  31. Likant
    Likant 24 November 2018 13: 35
    0
    Five worst UNACCEPTED samples? .. And is the fact that now Americans are developing an analogue of the AK to replace the M-16, not even an analogue, but stupidly copy the AK system - is this normal? They dug up junk somewhere in the archives and loudly declared - the worst weapon! It’s not clear how the slingshot was brought in and the pistol with suction cups ... :(
  32. tank64rus
    tank64rus 24 November 2018 14: 29
    0
    Let them not talk about SVT-40. With proper maintenance, this rifle was popular with our Marines during the Second World War and with the Germans.
  33. Sergei71
    Sergei71 24 November 2018 14: 44
    0
    NI, shove the M4 ... you know where.
    1. Red_Baron
      Red_Baron 25 November 2018 03: 11
      0
      I think they will definitely read your comment, then it turns out that NI is not one person, but a large enough group and everyone will run to fulfill your parting words.
  34. Loginoff
    Loginoff 24 November 2018 18: 49
    0
    This is the worst FAL rifle still produced by the pirate method.
  35. Catfish
    Catfish 24 November 2018 22: 16
    0
    Quote: Sirota
    AVT-40? no And I have a very serious car requiring care


    Good evening, colleague Sirota. hi

    I had a natural question - in which country can a resident own an army rifle with automatic fire? As far as I know, even in the United States, this is not possible in every state, and this is with their liberal legislation. If it does not bother you, then answer where this grace flourishes. I'm serious, without any irony. hi

    And as for the little article: yes they write, they won’t leave us. laughing
    1. Red_Baron
      Red_Baron 25 November 2018 03: 10
      0
      Yes, give the exact address, you are a very suspicious type ...
      1. Poor
        Poor 25 November 2018 11: 20
        +1
        necessarily
  36. Red_Baron
    Red_Baron 25 November 2018 03: 09
    +1
    To be honest I did not understand all this shit boiling.
    Normal article. Why on earth would some Vasya-tractor driver decide what to write about, what not to write articles to someone? Ahh, the American edition wrote this, well then we will take revenge on them, we will show them, we will completely tear their article !!! that would know how to contact us. Gentlemen, and not crazy people among you?
    I'll just list a few points:
    Will guns get better or worse from this article?
    Will people know more about this weapon or will they forget it half an hour after reading it?
    Nobody knew that Russians have unsuccessful or bad weapons?
    Is it so important for you that a rather specific author wrote a rather specific publication?
    Why can't the author have such an opinion?
    Why is your opinion more important than the opinion of the author?

    several things still spin in the language, but censorship will not miss.
    1. Good mat
      Good mat 26 November 2018 11: 34
      0
      Aside from jokes - why the hell are people hanging out on this site at all ?! Never crossed your mind? And here is the topic and why, like the same expert who squeezed his little article (for whom it is interesting?), Also not to torment the "Claudia", the "experts" rape her, and why can't the layman, or can the fuck sites close everything ?!)) ))
  37. Hiller
    Hiller 25 November 2018 12: 35
    0
    Mattress constructors, in their opinion, are ideal. M-16 - the height of design skills. In our opinion: "To whistle (for the sake of the rules of moderators) is not to roll bags!"
    1. Red_Baron
      Red_Baron 25 November 2018 13: 24
      0
      But this is nonsense. No one is considered the M-16 at the top of skill, it is considered a very good rifle and not only in the United States. She is so. So what? If you considered riding and all that, you would not have ordered the HK-416 for the Marine Corps and so on.
      1. Malisch
        Malisch 11 December 2018 20: 27
        0
        And they really wanted to at the "Desert Storm", for some reason our 47th !!!!
        1. Red_Baron
          Red_Baron 13 December 2018 03: 57
          0
          And not only there and not only them! But do not exaggerate their desire, you yourself understand, he fired from this, the sound is different and if they do not recognize him they will shoot him. Or something else. And the fighter cannot take and change weapons :)
  38. Red_Baron
    Red_Baron 26 November 2018 17: 40
    0
    Quote: Good mate

    Okromya jokes - and what the hell on this site people generally hang out ?! It never occurred to you?

    Do not think that this is such a simple question.
    Quote: Good mate
    And here is the topic and why, like the same expert who squeezed his little article (for whom it is interesting?), Also not to torment the "Claudia", the "experts" rape her, and why can't the layman, or can the fuck sites close everything ?!)) ))

    I personally do not have such a question at all. I would like - it is possible - so why not. But I didn’t forbid anyone to write. On the contrary, he indicated that in the first place the author can write as he sees fit and false patriotism is not appropriate here, I did not notice a single serious analysis of the article. Only a few authors spoke specifically on the samples taken by the author and spoke quite interestingly about them.
  39. Alexex
    Alexex 6 December 2018 16: 44
    0
    Article "about nothing". We have listed those samples that did not pass the tests, except for AVT-40. That's why they are tested ... Why is AVT-40 bad? Probably it was difficult to produce in war conditions ... and you can shoot single-handed from it.