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The entry of Soviet troops into Afghanistan in Russia will cease to condemn

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Information about the change, if I may say so, of the ideological concept of attitude to the deployment of Soviet troops in Afghanistan, was confirmed. From the year 1989 in our country, on the basis of the resolution adopted by the Congress of People’s Deputies, the introduction of troops into Afghanistan was defined as an erroneous action of the Soviet leadership and at the same time was condemned. No other point of view in official circles was considered.




Now the situation is changing dramatically. The State Duma of the Russian Federation is preparing to adopt a resolution in which the condemnation of the entry of Soviet troops into the Central Asian state will be canceled. It is noted that this is aimed primarily at supporting war veterans in Afghanistan, and it is also added that such an approach to the Afghan war is necessary for the entire modern Russian society.

The idea supports the majority of deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation.

The draft resolution was prepared and submitted by the Communist Party faction in the lower house of the Russian parliament. From the statement of the deputy Nikolai Kharitonov, who was directly involved in the development of the draft resolution:
In December 1989 of the year, on the eve of the 10 anniversary of the entry of Soviet troops into Afghanistan, the Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR adopted a resolution signed by Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev with an inappropriate and, in my opinion, erroneous wording which contained the words that the deployment of troops deserves moral and political condemnation.


According to Nikolai Kharitonov, it's time to build on historical the truth and recognize the conviction as untenable and null and void.

This statement was made by the deputy during the hearings, which were devoted to the upcoming 30 anniversary of the withdrawal of the Soviet contingent from Afghanistan.

For your information: From 1979 to 1989 years, Soviet troops, according to official figures, lost about 15 thousands of people in Afghanistan. More than 53 thousands were injured and injured, every fifth of this number became disabled.

Until now, the military hospital of Rostov-on-Don contains the remains of Soviet soldiers-internationalists. During the hearings, there was a call to identify these remains, and then carry out the burial with all military honors.
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  1. Dart2027
    Dart2027 22 November 2018 06: 48
    +8
    In a way, this was indeed a mistake - it was necessary to act as it is now in Syria. Supply of weapons, ammunition, etc. for their allies and strikes with precision weapons.
    1. Finches
      Finches 22 November 2018 06: 51
      +36
      Gorbachev and his henchmen and Yeltsin with his shobla considered him a mistake - because they did not have a homeland! They belonged to the other side of the body and soul - the one that sponsored, armed, trained and sent Afghan dushmans to Russian soldiers.

      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 22 November 2018 06: 57
        +4
        Quote: Finches
        and directed at Russian soldiers

        So the soldier didn’t have to be sent.
        Quote: Dart2027
        Supply of weapons, ammunition, etc. for their allies and precision strike
        More than good came out of sending troops.
        1. Finches
          Finches 22 November 2018 06: 59
          +16
          This was a difficult political decision, but absolutely justified from the point of view of the strategy of foreign relations, we can say our troops delayed for 10 years the processes that began in the late 80s and early 90s in our southern republics bordering Afghanistan. Starting from Ferghana 89 ... And that high price for ten years of peace is fully justified!
          1. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 22 November 2018 07: 18
            -13
            Those who made the decision to introduce OKSVA forgot that they were simultaneously delivering equipment and weapons to Ethiopia. The same amount. A Soviet general, several colonels were killed in Ethiopia. Not counting the junior officers, sergeants, and ordinary soldiers. The raw materials economy could not stand such expenses. five millionth army, the Warsaw Pact, and to provide two wars did not work.
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 22 November 2018 20: 31
              -2
              What nonsense. What other "support for the Afghans".
              Whether the invasion was erroneous or not is a moot point. Personally, I believe that invading another country that did not threaten us in any way is a crime.
              But the order was given by the government, and it was carried out by the military. And now they have fulfilled their duty in full. And they deserve their awards. And if it is necessary to "rehabilitate", it would be better if the allowance for military invalids was increased. That would be a real help.
          2. Serg65
            Serg65 22 November 2018 07: 22
            +6
            Quote: Finches
            we can say our troops at 10 years delayed the processes that began at the end of 80's

            That is unlikely! The processes of the end of 80 = x, the beginning of 90's with Afghanistan are difficult to connect ... and even more so for Fergana 89 !!!
          3. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 22 November 2018 07: 25
            +4
            -You can say our troops delayed those for 10 years -

            Nagorno-Karabakh, Azerbaijan and Armenia did not border NRA with DRA. Kazakhstan also. Baltic states did not border DRA.
          4. Dart2027
            Dart2027 22 November 2018 19: 43
            +1
            Quote: Finches
            but absolutely justified in terms of foreign relations strategy

            I repeat once again - I do not deny the need to gain a foothold in Afghanistan. But it was necessary to help "our" people, and not to go there with the whole army.
            My second trip to Afghanistan made it possible to talk with many officers of the Afghan army who graduated from military schools in the USSR. Several times in an informal setting, I met with the leader of the HOUSE (Democratic Youth Organization of Afghanistan) in his Kabul apartment. Afghan comrades always said:
            Help us, send help, advise how to build socialism, but withdraw troops to the Union.
            No more, no less.

            ("The Afghan rift. The origins of world terrorism" retired guard lieutenant colonel Valery Grigorievich Marchenko) And it was necessary to do so.
        2. xayot1966
          xayot1966 22 November 2018 07: 38
          +1
          Togda ne sprashivali kogo otpravlyat. No tex soldat, kotorie otsi kommunisti zanimali visokie posti, ix menyali na prostix soldat pered otpravkoy. Pered zaezdom v Afganistan cherez Kushku, ya sam lichno videl eto. I soldati kotorie slujili do smerti ili do konsa, bili detmi prostmi prostogo rabochego klassa. Vezde vsyakie meropriyatii, kotorie vspominayut umershix v Afganistane. Kakoy tolk iz etogo. A te kotorie vernulis kolekami, oni kajdiy den umirayut ot boli. Hotya bi nam normalnuyu pensiyu platili bi, chtobi kupit dorogie lekarstva.
          1. Kazakh
            Kazakh 22 November 2018 08: 24
            +2
            What is right on the bridge and changed?
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 22 November 2018 08: 54
              +1
              Quote: Kazakh
              What is right on the bridge and changed?

              Under the bridge ... from the left! lol wink
              1. Kazakh
                Kazakh 22 November 2018 09: 01
                +3
                Workers and peasants on le-in employees and nomenclature children on the right smile
                1. shura7782
                  shura7782 22 November 2018 13: 17
                  -1
                  Alexander, do not joke about it. On this subject, I had to talk there with many soldiers of our squadron. So only one parent had a higher education. His mother was a teacher. All the rest of the parents are ordinary hard workers. So think what you want - a coincidence or not.
    2. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 22 November 2018 07: 15
      -4
      = Delivery of weapons =

      Not at all. The Russian military is also present. The question is how much money will be enough to provide these supplies.

      -for their allies -

      Persians and hezbollons are temporary travel companions. Nobody made out a union with them.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 22 November 2018 07: 18
        0
        Quote: gunnerminer
        . The question is how much money is enough to ensure these deliveries.

        Enough for a couple of world wars.
        1. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 22 November 2018 07: 28
          -6
          They don’t have enough good shoes for military personnel. They don’t have enough for repairing the military research center of the Russian Navy. They don’t have enough for the military pensions promised in 2008. There aren’t enough for the construction of ships of the first rank and long-range strategic bombers. The Kremlin elders did not calculate the reaction of NAKTO, they had to compete financially with NATO, China, and Arab countries. With their endless human and financial resources. And this is with the common border with the DRA!
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 22 November 2018 07: 31
            +3
            Quote: gunnerminer

            Good shoes for the military are not enough.

            Military footwear is better than yours. Read the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper. There is enough for you - do not worry, you will be cremated quickly and efficiently.
            1. gunnerminer
              gunnerminer 22 November 2018 09: 05
              0
              The brave men forget to register with the primary military register.
    3. GRF
      GRF 22 November 2018 07: 18
      +2
      Quote: Dart2027
      In a way, this was indeed a mistake - it was necessary to act as it is now in Syria. Supply of weapons, ammunition, etc. for their allies and strikes with precision weapons.

      No need to blame! That was not even a mistake, but a betrayal ...
      Everything else is still noodles ...
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 22 November 2018 19: 45
        +2
        Quote: GRF
        No need to blame! That was not even a mistake, but a betrayal

        Do not. But this is already politics.
    4. Detective
      Detective 22 November 2018 08: 42
      +4
      Correct solution. Our fighters showed their best side. The main thing is the celebration of the living and commemoration of the fallen. It’s not for politicians to rate a soldier’s feat.
      1. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 22 November 2018 09: 07
        -5
        Quote: Detective
        Correct solution. Our fighters showed their best side.

        From memoirs: translator lieutenant Sergey Belogurov (Kunar province, 1986-88)
        ... It was the third hour of interrogation. Several times, the lieutenant colonel called the guard soldiers, and they began to beat the prisoner. And he, with difficulty moving his broken lips, continued to say that he was a simple peasant and worked on the field.
        - Sergey, orient him on the map. Let him show the location of the group. Let him not say anything, but only show with his hand. ... If it doesn’t show, say that we will hang it, then chop it into pieces and ... and feed the dogs! Translate him literally.
        I translated. The prisoner listened attentively and sighed, raising his eyes to the sky.
        “He says he told us everything he knew.” His conscience is clear before Allah.
        - Ah, clean? Gafurov, bring the rope!
        The lieutenant approached the soldiers smoking on the steps of the guardhouse. One of them removed the tarpaulin from the machine. At one end, the lieutenant made a loop, the other several times wrapped around a plane tree branch.
        - Seryoga, help, - together we put the prisoner on the bench. The guard soldiers, taking an interest in what was happening, came closer. The prisoner stood with a noose around his neck, staring blankly down.
        “Last time I ask, where is your group?” What is the composition and armament? What is the challenge? Who do you keep in touch with? - the lieutenant colonel stood in front of the prisoner, looking into his eyes from the bottom up.
        I translated and, without waiting for an answer, I added from myself:
        “Do you not understand that they will kill you now?” Say ... no, just show with your hand and you will live!
        The prisoner raised his head and smiled sadly.
        “He says he has nothing to tell us.” He is not afraid of death, because he is clean before ...
        - Hell, come on!
        The lieutenant and I turned the bench over. A branch creaked, and a heavy body hung in a noose. The belt was wide, and the prisoner hung without losing consciousness, looking at us with bloodshot eyes. It was evident how he tensed up, resisting asphyxiation. Sweat rolled down his face in a hail. We did not tie his hands and, already losing consciousness, he instinctively reached for the noose that was strangling him, but then, with the last effort of his will, he forced himself to clench his bandaged fists and extended his arms at the seams.
        “Come on,” the lieutenant colonel aroused, “come on, rather pull it out until you die!”
        ... The lieutenant and I grabbed the prisoner, took it out of the noose and lowered it to the ground. The lieutenant colonel took a glass of tea and splashed the Afghan man in the face. He slowly opened his eyes.
        - Yeah, he already found himself ... He is already thinking ... Tomorrow morning to plant here in the sun. Do not give water, maybe wiser ...
        The next day, Gafurov told me that the prisoner was transferred to the Khad
        - All the same, this “spirit" is no longer a tenant. Our soldiers said goodbye to all his insides, good-spirited blood. The doctor says he won’t last more than a month ...

        Warriors Afghans left a lot of memories, not particularly shy about the details.
    5. snake
      snake 22 November 2018 11: 22
      -2
      Quote: Dart2027
      In a way, this was indeed a mistake - it was necessary to act as it is now in Syria.

      At first they wanted to. But the Afghan communists very persistently invited the USSR, to the extent that the two parties "brocade" and "khalk" began to kill each other. There is a good book that describes this whole situation. Who has not read it - I recommend it. Although the author is an Englishman, he writes relatively impartially. Draws interesting parallels with the Anglo-Afghan wars. "Braithwaite Rodrik - Afghan: Russians at War"
  2. Titsen
    Titsen 22 November 2018 06: 48
    -10
    The entry of troops into Syria, although with a smaller number, is practically no different - Afghanistan is even closer to the borders of the USSR ...

    Every day you are convinced of the delusional ideas of the shitty representatives of the Government and the deputy corps that are external, that of past, Yeltsin times!
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 22 November 2018 07: 13
      +4
      Quote: Titsen
      The entry of troops into Syria, although with a smaller number, is practically no different

      From Aleppo to Sochi, 1000 km in a straight line. The entry of the Caliphate’s troops into the territory of the Russian Federation, however, differs — in the first place, with consequences.
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 22 November 2018 06: 50
    +8
    Now what is going on in Afghanistan is happening, what could begin to happen, back in 1979 this was what was going on if the Soviet troops were not deployed .. They pulled it back for 10 years ..
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 22 November 2018 07: 28
      -1
      Quote: parusnik
      Now what is going on in Afghanistan is going on, back in 1979

      By no means, if the great elders listened to the reports of the GRU and the KGB back in the distant 73 and prevented the coming to power of Daoud, then there would be no 79!
    2. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 22 November 2018 07: 30
      -4
      Then they wouldn’t leave. They would continue to build socialism there. As Komsomolskaya Pravda wrote, Soviet soldiers are in the trenches of the Afghan revolution. According to Leo Trotsky’s testament, revolution is based on foreign bayonets. This requires a modern powerful economy and loyal strong allies.
      1. sdc_alex
        sdc_alex 22 November 2018 11: 15
        0
        ... and good shoes!?! laughing
        1. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 22 November 2018 11: 29
          -4
          The shoes of the OKSVA military were poor. The same remains with the Russian military. This is the main element of the uniform. The civilian wardrobe too.
  4. Tarhan
    Tarhan 22 November 2018 07: 01
    -21
    Insanity grows stronger.

    They want to justify aggression. They want to justify the premature death of 15 souls. They want to justify 000 crippled.

    In feudal Afghanistan there was a gnawing of the power of the elite in power. There was no sideways threat to the USSR. The USSR Political Bureau wanted to do this from Afghanistan — socialist, fraternal Afghanistan at least. And at most 16 Soviet republic.

    And no foreign bases were foreseen there. Someone from the Afghan contenders would seize power completely and Afghanistan would again plunge into feudalism. But the distant consequence of the entry of Soviet troops is the current presence of US troops.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 22 November 2018 07: 13
      +9
      Tarhan
      Insanity grows stronger.
      They want to justify aggression. They want to justify the premature death of 15 souls. They want to justify 000 crippled.
      has "rain" affected the brain? and Leningrad did not surrender in vain?
      1. Tarhan
        Tarhan 22 November 2018 07: 17
        +2
        and Leningrad did not pass in vain?

        The enemy attacked Leningrad. Who attacked Tajikistan in 1979. Behind the Panj there was a feudal era, which was to go there.
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 22 November 2018 08: 21
          +6
          Tarhan (Temir)
          The enemy attacked Leningrad. Who attacked Tajikistan in 1979. Behind the Panj there was a feudal era, which was to go there.
          I agree. And for the first time, three years ago, a case was described in an evening German school as in a lesson two Afghans rushed to shake my hands (after learning that I was Russian), surprisingly first of all to me and the German teacher and the entire multinational class. And only one question was repeated like a mantra . "Why did you leave !!" It was 1998 I will never forget it. "Everything worked for us. Schools and hospitals. Now it's just a war." the end did not work. And then the Americans and the Chinese climbed to shit.
          p / sAt the same time a relative died hi
    2. bistrov.
      bistrov. 22 November 2018 07: 18
      +5
      Quote: Tarkhan
      And no foreign bases were foreseen there.

      It is you who tell the Americans who turned Afghanistan into a drug supplier and a source of militant, cave Islamism, and at the same time into a military base.
      1. Tarhan
        Tarhan 22 November 2018 07: 31
        -1
        turned Afghanistan into a drug supplier and source of militant, cave Islamism

        The Taliban was born, initially, precisely for the struggle against the Soviet troops. There would be no troop entry and there would be no Taliban.

        And it was the Taliban who at first banned the cultivation of poppies, but then he began to do this for his own financing. Yes afghan opium acted via Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan to Russia. So who is to blame first? So this is not an Afghan peasant who grew poppy, he does not care where he goes, east or west. The border guards, customs, security services of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Russia are to blame.

        And if you make a claim to the Russians, then this is to their services. If they had served clearly, all opium would have remained in Kazakhstan. But at this time, this distribution channel for Afghan opium covered thoroughly.
        1. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 22 November 2018 15: 13
          -1
          - Yes, Afghan opium came through Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan to Russia. -

          And now it arrives in wagons, round-the-clock. Considering the corruption of the border guards and officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the neighbors on the other side of the border.
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 22 November 2018 19: 49
          -1
          Quote: Tarkhan
          The Taliban was born, initially, precisely for the struggle against the Soviet troops. There would be no troop entry and there would be no Taliban.

          Truth? And ISIS was born on its own.
    3. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 22 November 2018 07: 20
      -9
      15000 are those who died directly in battles. Those who died in medical facilities on the territory of the USSR followed a different line of accounting. About 60 thousand were killed.
    4. tatra
      tatra 22 November 2018 08: 41
      -2
      The entry of the USSR into the Afghan war was analogous to the entry of the Russian Empire into the First World War, not for its own interests, but for the sake of "friendly regimes." But the enemies of the communists always have double standards in everything, you evaluate all the facts depending on how beneficial it is to you. You proved that you don't care that Nicholas II drew Russia and the Russian people into the First World War for the sake of helping Serbia and France, killed 3 million of his subjects in that war, surrendered to the Germans the territories in which more than 20 million of his subjects lived, supporting Gorbachev in the fact that he stopped the participation of the USSR in the Afghan war, you expose the fact that the Bolsheviks stopped participation of Russia in the First World War for a crime, betrayal.
    5. cast iron
      cast iron 22 November 2018 10: 42
      -1
      Fools are unaware that back in the early 1950s in Afghanistan, the British and the Americans with might and main "mend" relations with an eye on the border of the USSR.
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 22 November 2018 15: 11
        0
        They are constantly engaged in this process. Judging by the current events around the territory of Russia, it is quite fruitful.
    6. Dart2027
      Dart2027 22 November 2018 19: 47
      -1
      Quote: Tarkhan
      In feudal Afghanistan there was a gnawing of the power of the elite in power. There was no sideways threat to the USSR.

      If the USSR had not taken up with it, then the United States would have crushed it.
  5. Mr Credo
    Mr Credo 22 November 2018 07: 02
    +3
    it is time to build on historical truth and recognize the conviction as untenable and null and void. ### We have many condemnations of the actions of the USSR must be declared insolvent! Before condemning the actions of the USSR, we must look at the actions of our incredible friends and partners. We are condemned by the non-aggression pact, the war with Finland, the partition of Poland, the supply of grain to Germany, and much more. Even behind the Iron Curtain condemn the USSR! But is the current sanction not an analogue of the curtain? Therefore, before condemning, let's analyze the situation from all sides. hi
  6. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 22 November 2018 07: 05
    0
    the country did not return from the war until the last soldier killed in this war was buried soldier following this thesis, we are still fighting in Afghanistan and in Chechnya soldier and then the decision to condemn the introduction of troops was openly criminal-anti-people negative
  7. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 22 November 2018 07: 10
    +3
    Quote: Finches

    It was a difficult political decision, but absolutely justified in terms of foreign relations strategy,

    as our comrades said: if we had not entered there today, the Americans would have been there tomorrow.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 22 November 2018 07: 21
      0
      The Americans are there today. And in Ukraine, in the Baltic states.
      1. tatra
        tatra 22 November 2018 08: 43
        +2
        And EVERYTHING is the result of Gorbachev’s actions.
        1. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 22 November 2018 09: 09
          -3
          Grabachev alone could not plug all the Afghan holes. He sat behind the dastarkhan covered before him. When NATO began to frolic and make maidan in Ukraine, Gorbachev was already engaged in his personal affairs.
          1. tatra
            tatra 22 November 2018 09: 34
            +1
            Therefore, I wrote that these are NOT Gorbachev’s actions, but the RESULT of his actions.
            1. gunnerminer
              gunnerminer 22 November 2018 09: 40
              -6
              There, besides him, a whole list of activists joined his hands. Gorbachev did not directly engage in combat and rear planning in the territory of the DRA. There were enough advisers from the Komsomol and the Central Committee of the CPSU. not knowing local traditions.
  8. samarin1969
    samarin1969 22 November 2018 07: 12
    +1
    Warriors - "Afghans" - they are heroes. Why should Comrade Kharitonov whitewash the actions of the USSR leadership? Alien land, alien people. Let the Afghans themselves decide their fate.
    1. GRF
      GRF 22 November 2018 07: 47
      +3
      Because they came with good intentions, and not for the sake of self-interest.
      Aggressors do not voluntarily leave ...

      Well, and how do Afghans decide their fate?
      Masochism imposed on us is evil.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 22 November 2018 08: 04
        -3
        Quote: GRF
        Because they came with good intentions, and not for the sake of self-interest.

        "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." Losses on the part of the USSR from 15 to 30 thousand, losses of Afghans from hundreds of thousands. The aggressors obviously do not voluntarily leave, they are driven out.
        1. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 22 November 2018 10: 25
          -4
          It is not yet clear how NATO’s withdrawal from Afghanistan will end. If the flame spreads to Kazakhstan, it will be hot. The Air Force and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Kazakhstan are mired in theft. Especially the border parts of the Republic of Kazakhstan (killings of military personnel, participation in major smuggling, theft of weapons).
  9. gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 22 November 2018 07: 13
    -2
    Harassing from the region to krnai. That is condemned, then they do not condemn. If entered correctly, then it is not necessary to withdraw. From the Politburo, only Kosygin was against the entry of troops into the DRA. After 20 years they will condemn again.
  10. Gray brother
    Gray brother 22 November 2018 07: 15
    +1
    And what did Russia condemn the entry of troops into Afghanistan? I never would have thought.
  11. Jerk
    Jerk 22 November 2018 07: 20
    +2
    No questions. A sabotage center the size of a state at the borders - are you crazy ?! Either that, or they fought with them, in the same way, but already in Tajikistan
  12. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 22 November 2018 07: 47
    +2
    More often than not, the participants in that war were struck not by the condemnation of the introduction of troops, but by the bureaucratic phrase "I did not send you there ..." And this is not condemnation, but the cold of indifference, you cannot approach a decree, you cannot punish a code ...
    1. xayot1966
      xayot1966 22 November 2018 08: 42
      +3
      Znakomaya fraza. Tolko u nas v Uzbekistane poluchish dva otveta ot chinovnika. Pervoe: "ya vas tuda ne posilal", vtoroe: "idite k tomu kotoroe orpravil vas tuda". Odin raz ya skazal odnomu chinovniku, chto tot kotoriy otpravil menya, on je sperva obuchil tebya a potom posadil na eto kreslo i dal vlast. A raznisa mejdu nami, ya potixonku umirayu ot bolezni, a tiy dalshe budesh pravit. Tiy bil kommunistom, stal demokratam. No u tebya ta je dusha. Po etomu proshu u Vsevishnogo tolko terpeniyu.
    2. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 22 November 2018 10: 23
      -3
      This was first written in the spring of 1984, about a disabled soldier in Dnepropetrovsk. The article was called Debt.
  13. Strashila
    Strashila 22 November 2018 07: 52
    +2
    The decade of Soviet troops in Afghanistan was essentially golden for this country, neither before nor after this country knew the level of development that it had then.
  14. irazum
    irazum 22 November 2018 07: 58
    -1
    And what does the State Duma have to do with it? Only those people who were direct participants in the events can condemn or not. Each of them has his own, personal, opinion regarding Afghanistan. Someone in this war made a successful military and political career, and someone returned home without limbs ...
  15. Stalker84
    Stalker84 22 November 2018 08: 15
    +1
    If the operation in Afghanistan had deep foundations (only the methods were erroneous), then the intervention in Egypt was a waste of resources. Mengistu was such a "friend" with whom he did not need enemies. It was a mistake to support the overthrow of the emperor, for the old man was completely loyal to the USSR and paid for the supply of weapons and machine tools in gold and currency. And friendship with Mengistu turned into only financial losses and cost more than the Afghan war. In fact, he is a kind of African Hitler because he acted only in the interests of his ethnic group, actively exterminating the rest, which in such a national country as Ethiopia could not find support from the population.
  16. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 22 November 2018 08: 24
    +6
    Another "masterpiece" of lawmaking from our deputies. With pensions sorted out, sorted out with VAT, it's time to put Afghanistan in its historical place. And then, you know, they condemn him and condemn him.
    But seriously, it is not necessary to prohibit condemnation / approval, but to declassify and make freely available information about the events of that time. And each for himself will decide whether to condemn or approve the actions of the Soviet government and military command. Why be afraid? What Brezhnev will roll over in a coffin? The lack of reliable information breeds speculation and provides the basis for creativity for lovers of alternative history, such as diggers of the Black Sea. And the Afghan war, like any other, everyone has their own. And do not teach people how to relate to historical events. They will figure it out. Just provide the information.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 22 November 2018 10: 21
      -3
      - They’ll figure it out. Just provide the information .-

      Quite right. But this information about an Afghan adventure can blow up society.
      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 22 November 2018 11: 10
        -1
        Quote: gunnerminer
        But this information about the Afghan adventure, can blow up society.

        Anyway, sooner or later the truth will leak out. And society will explode as it explodes. The main thing is that people have an idea of ​​that war, based on reliable facts. And everyone will draw conclusions.
  17. tatra
    tatra 22 November 2018 08: 50
    -5
    All this is the result of Putin's actions, no matter how much Putin's "personality cult" is fanned by his paid and free putinoids. Other countries understand that Russia is WEAK, and the weak are beaten. Moreover, with the seizure of Crimea, Putin and the putinoids opened a "Pandora's box".
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 22 November 2018 10: 20
      -4
      There is another reformatting of the markets. At this stage, the Russian Federation arrived with non-modernized forces, especially with a weakened air force and navy. The previous periods ended with world wars, at the expense of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR. Now there is a limiting factor - the presence of weapons of mass destruction. To a certain limit. One of the ways deforming the economy of the Russian Federation, it involves drawing into conflicts on remote and not very remote theaters of war, technological containment, the maximum possible reduction in the standard of living of the ordinary population. As in the late 80s, many posters about Forward and Acceleration, about Plans. But in fact, quite the opposite .Plus Afghanistan, Ethiopia.
  18. gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 22 November 2018 09: 12
    -3
    Almost all documents, including operational ones, concerning the entry and withdrawal of OKSVA into the territory of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan are classified, so shy away from approval to conviction every four years is unproductive and becomes a topic for political jokes on Voice of America or the Air Force.
  19. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 22 November 2018 10: 59
    -4
    As children. They smoked and then began to dodge. It would be better to be silent.
    What killed 15000 boys?
  20. Avior
    Avior 22 November 2018 13: 00
    -1
    and what to do with it?
    ... The army began to lose authority and support among the Afghan people, because in pursuit of victory, quicker and at any cost decisions were repeatedly made on the use of long-range aviation, GRAD areal destruction systems that wiped out villages with all residents, including old people and children, from the face of the earth.
    This is how the most respected Soviet man in Afghanistan, with whose hands so much was done to improve the quality of life of the Afghan people, turned into a killer and an enemy ....

    Stars carried through hell.
    Igor Rodionov, commander of the 40th Army, Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Army General.
  21. faterdom
    faterdom 22 November 2018 13: 05
    +5
    I will support Bagdasarov's point of view on this issue: our soldier in a war must always be sure that no one ... in the power structures will declare him "wrongly at war"! Not 30 years ago, not 100 years ahead! The soldier must be right! Even unlike the general secretaries and presidents. The war to suppress the Hungarian uprising of 1848 to save the Austro-Hungarian Empire was harmful in all respects, but it never occurred to anyone to blame our soldiers for it, moreover, Nicholas I personally called himself a fool for this (when Austria " thanked "him during the Crimean War).
    And, I will also support the point of view of M. Khodarenko: in general, the entry into the DRA had its grounds, since at the same time a decision was made on the deployment of Pershing in Europe by the Americans. It is quite logical that H. Amin, leaning towards the Americans, would have arranged for the same Pershing in Afghanistan. But they miscalculated with the forces - what they introduced (several divisions and brigades) was enough only to control the main cities and roads. To close the borders, from where the mujahideen and weapons were continuously coming in, the same amount was needed. And that's it! The task was solvable if there was political will.
    But the stench raised by the American media then frightened our Central Committee, there were hearse races in the Kremlin, and then Gorbachev came to power, taking a clear course to drain our interests, and already in the second year of his reign (1986) began the partial withdrawal of several regiments . And already in 1988 - a decision was made on the withdrawal by February 15, 1989 (whoever understands this is a separate song, it is not January-February to appoint a conclusion in the mountains).
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 22 November 2018 15: 09
      0
      - our soldier in the war must always be sure that no ... in the power structures will not announce him -

      This is the most difficult task.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 22 November 2018 18: 51
      -2
      It is not right. This has already sounded from under the mustache with a brush "go and kill, I will answer for you!" And they walked, burned our villages, destroyed cities, confident that the Fuhrer was always right ...
      1. faterdom
        faterdom 22 November 2018 22: 27
        +2
        The Führer is right or wrong - all Germans had their own opinion on that, and many field marshals and generals did not hide their differences.
        But so that the Reichstag suddenly suddenly in the middle of the war decides that the soldiers are fighting the wrong war of aggression, and that it is the Slavs who are the true Aryans, the Jews - the ancient nation (4 thousand years reliably), and that everyone needs to repent - can you imagine such a phantasmagoria? Yes, and France-Holland-Denmark and the other Benelux need to urgently exit. Preferably in the winter and in a clean field. And it’s uncomfortable in front of the guys ...
        This is impossible.
        Although it happened. A more apt analogy is Carthage's "aid" to Hannibal. Some, for their own personal reasons, thought that Hannibal was fighting the wrong war, and the oligarchs of Carthage did not need it - they had business and a struggle for power (which is always permanently waged in all democracies). It ended for Carthage and its inhabitants as it ended, and now you can tell them and their descendants as much as you like the newfangled humanistic theories that "every nation has a right to exist."
        Only they have not been around for a long time, and so the theory is beautiful.
        1. Avior
          Avior 22 November 2018 23: 08
          -1
          ended badly.
          and the Americans have left Vietnam ....
  22. jurijsv
    jurijsv 22 November 2018 13: 19
    +1
    Well, right. The introduction of troops was necessary.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 22 November 2018 15: 08
      -3
      Moreover, not a single goal set by the CPSU Central Committee before the OKSVA command was achieved. For ten years.
      1. faterdom
        faterdom 22 November 2018 22: 31
        -1
        Do you know those tasks?
        For example, "to strengthen the labor movement of Afghan workers" ... How do you like this "task"? Do you know how to do it in 10 years? Or at least 100?
  23. Larum
    Larum 22 November 2018 13: 19
    -1
    IMHO, you always need to train troops. There, the United States and the rest, climb to train with joy.
    Perhaps it was necessary to act subtler. And lie thinner, more accurately.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 22 November 2018 15: 07
      -1
      -Imho, always train troops-

      But it’s necessary that the training does not lead to a collapse of the country.
      1. Larum
        Larum 22 November 2018 15: 26
        0
        Then the collapse was clearly not because of Afghanistan.
  24. 1536
    1536 22 November 2018 14: 24
    -1
    Conclusion troops from Afghanistan was a mistake. We are paying for this mistake.
    You can’t send your army to a country at the request of the government and people of this country, based on security objectives, and then abandon everything and everyone and return this army home. War in this case will inevitably come for you. What happened. There is a world practice of creating military bases. And military bases were to remain on the territory of Afghanistan under any system, in any case. Then the system in Russia changed, products from store shelves, manufactured goods began to disappear, a general shortage was arranged, the people were not up to the war in Afghanistan, the people still believed those who were in power and hoped for changes. (I’d like to understand that period from these positions. Why and to whom was the death of the USSR beneficial? Who was interested in the withdrawal of troops from the DRA?)
    Never has anyone blamed the Afghan warriors who were the first to fight the United States' international terrorism, except for those who began to serve the United States simply by revealing, betraying, and covering themselves with loud words about freedom and democracy. It is good that justice triumphed after 30 years, and not 150.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 22 November 2018 15: 06
      -2
      -It is good that justice triumphed after 30 years, and not 150.-

      But at the same time, the return of parts of the Russian Land Forces to the territory of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, the State Duma was not discussed. The triumph is still far away. Two wars cannot be economically pulled. Yes, and there is a lot of tension with those resources. In those days, the main contingent of recruits came from Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan and the Caucasus. .Now even from the North Caucasus, far from all parts send conscripts.
      1. 1536
        1536 22 November 2018 15: 20
        +1
        Yes, say it right! But no one suggests helping Afghanistan by restoring the presence of the 40 army (!) There. Now this is superfluous, especially since the Americans hang around in Afghanistan, controlling drug trafficking. The place is called occupied. But to cover the Tajik-Afghan border is a task that should be set, including in the State Duma, before the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense.
        As for the conscripted soldiers, I, excuse me, do not believe in them, because to fight, and indeed to serve in the army, when the country as a whole is not at war, should be professionals, professional military men i.e. I thought so 30 years ago, I think so now. It’s easier to control green recruits ... But there is no return from them in modern conditions of warfare. And the army does not exist for the army itself, but to protect the interests of the state and the people (including domestic oil magnates, no matter who says that the army does not know what and who it protects.)
        1. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 22 November 2018 15: 49
          -1
          I agree with you.
  25. pvv113
    pvv113 22 November 2018 15: 04
    +5
    adopted a decision signed by Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev

    It remains to recognize Gorbachev as a traitor and convict him
  26. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 22 November 2018 15: 37
    +1
    It's time to stop sprinkling ash on your head for the facts of our History. We have nothing and no one to apologize to. Everything that has been done and will be done for the good of our country and people is true.
  27. ashnajder
    ashnajder 22 November 2018 15: 47
    -2
    slide into the USSR -version 2,0)) the end will probably be similar.
  28. swyatoslav
    swyatoslav 22 November 2018 15: 58
    +1
    How many years did it take us to stop dousing ourselves with dirt and repent for what we did not do ...
    Communist Party gaining points good
  29. razved
    razved 22 November 2018 16: 21
    -2
    It is high time. It is not a mistake to consider part of the history of the demolition of the country.
  30. Polymer
    Polymer 22 November 2018 17: 19
    +4
    The mistake was to allow Gorbachev and others like him to power.
    Such a continuation of the decisions of the State Duma will be?
    1. razved
      razved 22 November 2018 20: 25
      -2
      Periodically, such conversations arise, but, I'm afraid, they will remain so. At least for a long time ...
  31. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 22 November 2018 20: 32
    +1
    The entry of Soviet troops ... cease to condemn
    The right decision. The Kremlin turned on the brain. Or change shoes again?
  32. nobody111body
    nobody111body 22 November 2018 20: 55
    0
    the mistake is not the input but just the withdrawal of the Soviet Union's troops, well, and how the continuation of the tsrushniki created several Afghans on the territory of the USSR; the Baltic states, Georgia, Ukraine; how many people died? really less than in Afghanistan in 10 years; the mistake was in the subsequent overthrow of the amine who sold out to the Tsrushniki when he was still studying in the states, not by war, but by war, we unfortunately succumbed to Jewish demagogy about a certain "parity of arms" and not interference in "internal affairs" - all Pakistani military bases of the sabotage war had to be fired with napalm went from there
  33. VeteranVSSSR
    VeteranVSSSR 22 November 2018 21: 33
    +1
    Quote: 16112014nk
    The entry of Soviet troops ... cease to condemn
    The right decision. The Kremlin turned on the brain. Or change shoes again?

    And who are the judges ??? and in general, who gave them the right to condemn?
    Sorry, the Kremlin and the brain are ... well, this cannot be.
    It's just that it's time to change your shoes for the winter season, here's the trindyat ..., as the classics say: ,, ... look for someone who benefits from it ... ''
    Guys-eternal memory !!!
  34. stalki
    stalki 23 November 2018 15: 00
    0
    Well, finally, they "saw the light" and how much spread rot.
  35. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 24 November 2018 00: 24
    -1
    Right. Entering Soviet troops in Afghanistan, even if it was a mistake, was unlikely to have led to tragic consequences (within the framework of world politics - a matter of life). It was definitely criminal killing Amin - the action striking not so much even with lawlessness, but as nonsense: it was like eliminating the main witness of his defense. This moment, on the contrary, needs to be investigated.
    In the meantime, the brains are so clogged that here and there "heroes" emerge, telling everyone how they stormed Amin's palace. Of course, it is even required to carry out a criminal order, but why brag about it?