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The market in besieged Leningrad: evidence of survivors. Part of 3

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In besieged Leningrad with the onset of the most severe time, the real "aristocrats" became people involved in food production. It was they who stood out from the crowd of Leningraders exhausted by hunger with their well-fed appearance, healthy skin tone and expensive clothes.


The school inspector L. K. Zabolotskaya writes about the remarkable transformation of a friend:
“It was before the war - an emaciated, ill, eternally needy woman; she was washing our clothes, and we gave her to her not so much for the sake of her laundry, but for her: we had to somehow support her, but we had to give it up, because it became worse to wash ... Now, when so many people died of starvation, Lena blossomed. This rejuvenated, red-cheeked, smartly and cleanly dressed woman! In summer, through the window, you could hear different voices shouting: “Lena, Lenochka! Are you at home? ”“ Madame Talotskaya ”- the wife of an engineer, a very important lady who now lost a quarter of her weight (I lost 30 kg) now also stands under the window and with a sweet smile shouts:“ Lena, Helen! I have a business for you. ” Lena has a lot of friends and caregivers. In the evenings in the summer, she, dressed up, went for a walk with a company of young girls, she moved from the attic room in the courtyard to the second floor with windows to the line. Perhaps, for the uninitiated, this metaphor is incomprehensible, but a Leningrad citizen will probably ask: “Does she work in the dining room or the store?” Yes, Lena works at the base! Comments are superfluous. ”


The market in besieged Leningrad: evidence of survivors. Part of 3


Such persons provoked fair condemnation from the side of Leningrad, who were forced to starve, and many put them on par with thieves and scammers. Engineer I. A. Savinkin reveals for us the whole mechanism of theft in catering:
“First of all, this is the most fraudulent part of the population: they hang around, measure, cut out extra stamps, drag our food home, feed their acquaintances and relatives without it, pass them cans with food for carrying out. The case is interestingly organized: a barmaid has a full staff to remove food from the canteen, the guards work together, because the guard wants to eat - this is the first small party of crooks. The second larger one is the head, assistant heads, leading cooks, storekeepers. Here there is a bigger game, acts of damage, loss, shrinkage, washing out, being made up, under the guise of backfilling, an eerie self-supply goes into the boiler. Food workers can be immediately distinguished from all other people living only on their card. This is primarily a fat, well-fed carcass, dressed in silk, velvet, fashionable shoes, shoes. Gold in the ears, on the fingers of the pile and be sure to watch, depending on the scale of theft gold or simple. "


For veterans who returned to besieged Leningrad, changes with familiar people became especially noticeable. In their memoirs, they are amazed to describe the transformation of people who have become representatives of the “aristocracy from the plate”. So, a soldier who happened to be in a besieged city shares with a diary:
“... I met on Malaya Sadovaya ... my neighbor on the desk I am Irina Sh. Cheerful, lively, even elegant, and somehow out of age - in a sealskin coat. I was so glad of her, so hoping to find out from her at least something about our guys, that at first I did not pay attention to how sharply Irina stood out against the background of the surrounding city. I, a visitor from the mainland, fit into the blockade situation, and that’s better ...
- What are you doing yourself? - seizing the moment, I interrupted her chatter.
“Yes ... I work in a bakery ...” my companion casually dropped ...
... strange answer. Calmly, without embarrassment at all, a young woman who had finished school two years before the war began told me that she worked in a bakery - and this also flagrantly contradicted the fact that we stood in the center of a tormented, barely begun to revive and recover from the city’s wounds. . However, for Irina, the situation was clearly normal, but for me? Could this be the mantle, and this bakery to be the norm for me, who had forgotten about peaceful life for a long time and who perceived his present stay in St. Petersburg as a waking dream? In the thirties, young women with secondary education did not work as saleswomen. We didn’t finish school with that potential then ... with that charge ... ”




Even a former servant who previously occupied the lower part of the social hierarchy, became an influential force in Leningrad. And in some cases, it is interspersed with frank trade in their own body. A low level of pretensions gives rise to low actions. In the “mortal time” of November 1941, the root Leningrad woman E. A. Scriabina writes:
“Suddenly, unexpectedly, my former housekeeper, Marusya, appeared. She came with a loaf of bread and a bulky bag of millet. Marusia does not know. It’s not the barefoot slut I knew. She has a squirrel jacket, an elegant silk dress, an expensive down scarf. And to all this blooming look. As if she came from a resort. Does not look like the inhabitant of a hungry, surrounded by enemies of the city. I ask: where does all this come from? It turns out that the situation is quite simple. She works in a food warehouse, the warehouse manager is in love with her. When they leave the job search, then Marusia is examined only for the view, and under her fur blouse she takes out several kilograms of butter, bags of cereal and rice, and canned food. One day, she said, she even managed to drag through several chickens. All this she brings home, and in the evening the bosses come to her to have dinner and have fun. At first, Marusya lived in a dormitory, but her brigadier, taking into account all the benefits of living together, invited Marusia to live in her apartment. Now this brigadier enjoys rich Marusina harvest, luring even his relatives and friends. As you can see, this is a very resourceful person. She completely took possession of the stupid and good-natured Marusya, and in the form of special mercy sometimes exchanges products for various things. This is how Marusya's wardrobe has improved, which is delighted with these exchanges and has little interest in where her rich booty goes. All this is in a very naive form. Marusya tells me, adding that now she will try to prevent my children from starving. Now, when I write this, I think about what is happening in our unfortunate, doomed city: thousands of people die daily, and some individuals in these conditions have the richest benefit. True, during a visit to Marousi, these thoughts did not occur to me. Moreover, I begged her not to forget us, offered her any things that might interest her. ”


Flattering and servility to such persons, unfortunately, have become a frequent occurrence among the intelligentsia and ordinary inhabitants of Leningrad.


One way to transport food in besieged Leningrad

In addition to the purely physical sufferings associated with hunger, the people of Leningrad also suffered from moral suffering. Often, children and women in the final stages of exhaustion had to watch the gluttony of the powerful. E. Scriabina describes a case in a wagon for evacuees when the wife of the hospital head and her children sat down to dine in public:
“We got fried chicken, chocolate, condensed milk. At the sight of this abundance of food unprecedented for a long time, Yurik (son of Scriabin) became ill. My throats were cramped, but not from hunger. By lunchtime, this family showed delicacy: it curtained its corner, and we no longer saw how people ate chickens, pies and butter. It is difficult to remain calm with indignation, with resentment, but who to say? Must be silent. However, this has become accustomed to for many years. "


The results of such moral torment are thoughts of the falsity of the ideas of socialism, to which the majority of the city’s inhabitants were betrayed. Thoughts about the powerlessness of truth and justice in besieged Leningrad come. The basest instincts of selfish self-preservation replace the ideals of freedom, equality and fraternity. Often it goes into a hypetrophied form. And again in the most terrible "mortal time" of the 1941-42 winter of the years. B. Kapranov records in his diary:
“Not everyone is starving. Bread sellers always have a kilo of two or three a day, and they are cashing in on great things. They bought everything and saved thousands of money. Military officials, militia, employees of military registration and enlistment offices and others, who can take everything they need in special stores, eat themselves like we ate before the war. Cooks, dining room managers, waiters live well. All the more or less occupying an important post get and eat their fill ... In closed stores a lot, but in our empty. At the meeting, where questions about the increase in the norm and the improvement should be resolved, there are not hungry, but all who are full, and therefore there is no improvement. Where is the freedom and equality of rights referred to in the constitution? We have all the parrots. Is it really in a Soviet country? I'm going crazy, as I think about everything. "




The survivor of the blockade of V.I. Titomirov in his documentary work “Hitler's Ring: The Unforgettable” writes:
"The blockade showed with our own eyes that under the conditions of the most severe control, when everything seemed to be in full view, on record, when there was an extraordinary power, when any violation threatened with death, execution, such elements were able to flourish, or even sophisticated criminals who are not blockaded by blockade, but a means of mad profit, and borders are not boundaries, and there is no famine, but they spit on the enemy and the bombs. For the sake of profit, for the sake of rampant. And such, by these reasons, were not evacuated either. Everything they did not care.




In the book “Diary and Memory” G. Kulagin raises questions that could cost him his life during the blockade:
“Why does the rear foreman flaunt in a mannequin and shine from fat, and the gray, like his own overcoat, the Red Army man, gathers on the front line to eat grass near his bunker? Why does a designer, a bright head, the creator of wonderful cars, stand in front of a stupid girl and humbly beg for a cake: “Rack, Rack”? And she herself, cutting out extra stamps to him by mistake, turns up her nose and says: “This is a nasty dystrophic!”


However, despite the tragedy of the situation in besieged Leningrad, some modern researchers argue that without speculators, it would be very difficult for most of the residents of Leningrad to survive. Clever, crappy and unprincipled people were able to create a grocery market that saved the hungry in exchange for their values. This ambiguous thesis of historians will be discussed in the next part of the material.

Based on:
Pyankievich V. L. “Some die of hunger, others are cashing in, robbing the last crumbs of the first”: participants of the market trade in besieged Leningrad // Works of the Faculty of History of St. Petersburg University, 2012.
Titomirov V.I. Hitler's Ring: Unforgettable. Experienced: Documentary story.
New archival documents / Comp. and comm. N. Yu. Cherepenina.
G. Kulagin. Diary and memory. About experienced during the blockade.
Weekday feat.
Scriabin E. Pages of life.


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  1. Huumi
    Huumi 23 November 2018 06: 10
    +6
    If even then theft and nepotism flourished, accomplices and indifference to his neighbor who does not even need, but starves and dies, and even under the threat of execution, shtrabat and an advanced as punishment, then what are the mighty of this world doing NOW? What kind of business do they do and how much do they steal from the people by filling their purse? Will we find out ordinary people someday how much "flowed" over the mound of national good ...
    1. Consultant
      Consultant 23 November 2018 06: 16
      -12
      Quote: Huumi
      Vania

      c) flooding, comments not related to the subject of the article, the emptyness of the comment

      We break the rules, my friend? See ... is fraught wink

      Although you can restrain yourself in such a topic, you are dancing on the bones ... fighters for all the good negative
      1. Huumi
        Huumi 23 November 2018 16: 50
        -2
        I don’t dance on the bones, I dig them up. And you, too, probably not only care about the flood, but also prove it by deed? It’s my right to express my opinion here ... I dance on the bones .... how much you drink .... squeezed out
        1. Consultant
          Consultant 23 November 2018 20: 26
          -3
          Quote: Huumi
          I don’t dance on the bones, I dig them out

          I, you see, used to believe my eyes. What and where is digging up where - I do not see. But I see clearly an attempt to agitate using a completely inappropriate reason for this. And what should I think about you, tell me at grace?

          Quote: Huumi
          It is my right to express my opinion here ...

          And my right is to ask you to hold your tongue. Which I did, but you did not heed ... regrettably.

          Quote: Huumi
          we are ordinary people

          Nowhere is easier. I would say who you are, but it is forbidden here, unfortunately.
          1. Huumi
            Huumi 24 November 2018 07: 07
            +1
            They minus you there, probably because people disagree with you, can you hold your tongue?
  2. Comrade
    Comrade 23 November 2018 06: 23
    +12
    At the beginning of the 70's, when I was little, we lived in Crimea. The hostess of the makeshift in which we lived worked during the war on the canteen in the orphanage, while robbing children. After the war, she had a dumb daughter, and the mistress sometimes said that this was her retribution from above for stealing food from the kids.
    Now, decades later, I understand that this woman, always gloomy, laconic and self-absorbed, carried a heavy burden of memories, and a dumb lonely daughter before her eyes - like a living reproach.
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich 23 November 2018 07: 42
    +1
    All occupying a little bit an important post is reached and eat to the full... In closed stores a lot, but in ours it’s empty. At the meeting, where issues of increasing the norm and improving should be addressed, there were not hungry people, but all well-fed, and therefore there are no improvements. Where is that freedom and that equality referred to in the constitution? We have all the parrots. Is it really in a Soviet country? I'm going crazy right away when I think about everything. ”

    This is where the essence of what is happening is described. The encyclopedia of the siege of Leningrad states that not a single worker of the regional committee, district committee, or city committee has died of hunger. While hundreds of thousands of ordinary citizens were dying ....
    1. Nick_R
      Nick_R 23 November 2018 10: 04
      0
      Alas, the besieged Leningrad clearly showed the utopianism of communism. From each according to his ability, each according to his work can work only on the basis of universal honesty, decency and self-denial. Modern man is still very far from this. Moreover, the only obvious way to achieve this is to embed an appropriate mechanism at the biological level. Then ants, bees and other participants in biological communes immediately come to mind. Do I want my fly to become like ants? Definitely not.
      1. ruigat
        ruigat 24 November 2018 06: 59
        +3
        This is not the utopianism of communism, but the rule: "Being determines consciousness." In conditions when you are put on the brink of survival, instincts are sharpened (a person turns into an animal) and there is no time for lofty ideas. Efremov's "Hour of the Bull" shows how people from developed socialism, under the influence of an unfavorable environment, slipped into inferno and an oligarchy regime was established, 90% similar to our society of the Russian oligarchy, unless the oligarchs of Tormans were generous and gave "an easy death" free, but in the Russian Federation you have to pay for it. And individuals of the Russian oligarchy, creating an artificial deficit in the late 80s, were destroying Soviet society.
    2. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 23 November 2018 10: 34
      +10
      You can only imagine how it would be under the Tsar-priest!
      During WWI, soldiers wore greatcoats made of half-worn cloth, while contractors and quartermasters were stupid with luxury, for ALWAYS, and at all times: "to whom the war, and to whom the mother is dear"
      And the big question: would the city survive, something of the Soviet government ??
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 23 November 2018 12: 34
        -8
        Quote: The Siberian Barber
        You can only imagine how it would be under the Tsar-priest!

        under the Emperor there were neither blockades nor the worst in the history of the world of Vyazemsky. Kiev and other cauldrons: the main cannon fodder turned out to be Anglo-French.
        1. The Siberian barber
          The Siberian barber 23 November 2018 12: 52
          +6
          Well, yes ... The operation in East Prussia was just a walk ..)
          Ask the French who saved Paris?
          In general, one cannot associate the horrors in the besieged Leningrad with one regime or another. For under any, there are ascetics, and scum. Here, more a matter of human nature, in general.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 23 November 2018 14: 09
            +1
            Quote: The Siberian Barber
            Well, yes ... The operation in East Prussia was just a walk ..)

            compared with the disasters of 41-42 years, of course
            Quote: The Siberian Barber
            For under any, there are ascetics, and scum.

            This is yes.
            That's the way to say it.
            1. The Siberian barber
              The Siberian barber 23 November 2018 14: 23
              +3
              Comparison of two wars, in principle it’s not correct, you would remember the Wars of the Red and White Roses
              And why is the period of the end of the war not modestly mentioned ?? Also "catastrophes" ???
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 24 November 2018 07: 57
                -3
                Quote: The Siberian Barber
                Comparison of two wars, in principle it’s not correct, you would remember the Wars of the Red and White Roses

                bullshit: WWII - continued WWII
                Quote: The Siberian Barber
                And why the period is not modestly mentioned end of war?? Also "disasters" ???

                What power(Bolsheviks) -such and disasters
            2. The Siberian barber
              The Siberian barber 24 November 2018 10: 41
              +2
              In the defeat in the Russo-Japanese, the Bolsheviks are to blame, too?
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 24 November 2018 14: 37
                -3
                Quote: The Siberian Barber
                In the defeat in the Russo-Japanese, the Bolsheviks are to blame, too?

                in part.
                what is the defeat, see 41-42 Mr. history never knew such disasters.
                1. The Siberian barber
                  The Siberian barber 24 November 2018 16: 43
                  +1
                  What was manifested, your "partly"?)) Somehow justify, though!
                  And then, apart from "buckets of slop" based on personal hatred, nothing is clear))
                  In, 41-42, the Red Army opposed the best army, under the banners of which stood almost all of Europe.
                  Yes .. there were mistakes and big losses. But this is war! And we won !! What we cannot "forgive" until now, some "partners")))
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 25 November 2018 07: 58
                    -2
                    Quote: The Siberian Barber

                    What was manifested, your "partly"?)) Somehow justify, though!
                    And then, apart from "buckets of slop" based on personal hatred, nothing is clear))

                    with a bucket, be careful. and then it does. yes and hate no. there is contempt.
                    and you need to learn for yourself -here is not an educational program.
                    Lenin - the fall of Port Arthur ("Forward" No. 2, January 14 (1), 1905):

                    “The proletariat has something to rejoice about. The catastrophe of our worst enemy does not only mean the approach of Russian freedom. It also portends a new revolutionary upsurge of the European proletariat. ”


                    April 12 (25), 1905

                    “We will raise a rebellion in arms to overthrow the tsarist government and win freedom for all the people. To arms, workers and peasants! Make secret gatherings, form squads, stock up with whatever weapons you can, send trusted people for advice with the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party! May the first of May of this year be a celebration of a popular uprising for us - let's get ready for it, wait for a signal for a decisive attack on the tyrant. ”


                    in London, the headquarters of the combat technical group functioned under the Central Committee of the RSDLP, which was located in the Maritime Hall seamen's union club on West India Dock Road.

                    The club had a very peculiar "interest": the acquisition of weapons and their import to Russia. Responsible for this case was Maxim Litvinov, who possesses unique abilities in establishing contacts with people of all kinds and receives funds for this from expropriations in Russia.

                    the sponsors of the Bolsheviks were the Japanese, who handed over to the revolutionaries an impressive sum of money intended for the purchase of weapons. The mediator in this operation was the colonel of the Japanese imperial army, Motojiro Akasiya, who served as a military attaché in Stockholm.
                    etc.


                    Quote: The Siberian Barber
                    In, 41-42, the Red Army opposed the best army, under the banners of which stood almost all of Europe.

                    this army was only 6 years old! . and in 1935 she had no tanks. Guy of aviation, no fleet with artillery. It cannot be compared with the Kaiser army of the PMV.
                    Quote: The Siberian Barber
                    And we won !!

                    They won. as during the thousand years of the existence of Russia. Glory to our grandfathers!
                    But they never paid such a price.
                    1. The Siberian barber
                      The Siberian barber 25 November 2018 12: 29
                      0
                      You write that Lenin was at hand (which is indisputable) And in the previous post, you stated that their fault (in defeat) was partially !! There is such a difference !! You distort, a little
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 25 November 2018 13: 09
                        -3
                        Quote: The Siberian Barber
                        You write that Lenin was at hand (which is indisputable) And in the previous post, you stated that their fault (in defeat) was partially !!

                        Profitable and for this benefit they have made an effort-cm. higher during the war
                        April 12 (25), 1905

                        "We raise a rebellion in armsto overthrow the tsarist government and win freedom for all the people. To arms, workers and peasants! Atbuild secret gatherings, make squads, stock up with whatever weapons you can,
                      2. The Siberian barber
                        The Siberian barber 25 November 2018 14: 26
                        +1
                        You are talking about calls!)))
                        HOW did this affect Arthur’s surrender, the defeat of the fleet and the defeat at Mukden ???
                        Alekssev's brains became less, because of Lenin's appeals ?? Duc, if they (brains) were, they thought about something else. Or "under the spitz" when they decided to drive the squadron to the slaughter? Or Kuropatkin, read Lenin, at your leisure ??
                        Our dialogue resembles a conversation between a deaf and a dumb man. All the best hi
                      3. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 26 November 2018 09: 02
                        -2
                        Quote: The Siberian Barber
                        Our dialogue resembles a conversation between a deaf and a dumb man.

                        WHY do you write me this then
                        Quote: The Siberian Barber
                        You are talking about calls!)))
                        HOW did this affect Arthur’s surrender, the defeat of the fleet and the defeat at Mukden ???
                        Alekssev's brains became less, because of Lenin's appeals ?? Duc, if they (brains) were, they thought about something else. Or "under the spitz" when they decided to drive the squadron to the slaughter? Or Kuropatkin, read Lenin, at your leisure ??
                        ? belay
                        In fact: after such appeals and actions, the country is forced to be distracted by internal enemies, to spend forces and means.
                        Quote: The Siberian Barber
                        Our dialogue resembles a conversation deaf with dumb. All the best

                        Sympathize with you.
                        All the best. hi
                2. Looking for
                  Looking for 16 January 2019 13: 36
                  0
                  LARGE LARGE !!!! AFTER THE DISASTER IS NOT VICTORY !!!
        2. ecolog
          ecolog 28 November 2018 00: 15
          +1
          It’s just that at that time the French did not merge in a month, but fought without fools, and the British also had to harness themselves. The merits of the king were not here. But the rear was unable to supply the army with everything necessary, despite the preservation of the main European territories. Even the golem helmets could not stamp the infantry, not to mention shells, artillery and more. Not a fan of alternative history, but, without the rest of the Entente, the RI Germans would have rolled into a thin pancake.
          And how the quartermasters and the capitalist suppliers lived, the baker Marusa never dreamed of.
      2. Nick_R
        Nick_R 23 November 2018 17: 38
        -3
        So I’m not saying that under the tsar people were better than under the Bolsheviks, rather the opposite.
        But you must admit, a system built on initially erroneous postulates, in principle, most likely will not function normally.
        It is necessary to accept people as they really are.
        1. The Siberian barber
          The Siberian barber 23 November 2018 18: 24
          +1
          What is wrong? I think the declaration of social equality, regardless of origin, is very ..
          Maybe I misunderstand you. What are the postulates?
  4. akunin
    akunin 23 November 2018 08: 31
    0
    Where is that freedom and that equality referred to in the constitution?
    There is still no answer to this question.
  5. Adjutant
    Adjutant 23 November 2018 08: 44
    +6
    Scary it's all of course
    What brought to this
    And how people survived. God forbid
    1. Hunghuz
      Hunghuz 23 November 2018 09: 37
      +4
      Is it true that I read how people gathered scraps under Zhdanov’s windows? Ate in Leningrad all differently. The nomenclature was fat, and ordinary people were dying
  6. Glory1974
    Glory1974 23 November 2018 09: 56
    +12
    I read that in Europe, during the plague epidemic, vinegar sellers became the most influential and wealthy. (vinegar was used for disinfection and helped not to become infected and survive). Hundreds of women dreamed of surrendering to the seller for a bottle of vinegar. This fact shows that people are the same everywhere. And the chairmen of the district and regional committees are ordinary people - earthlings who have not flown from Mars, and who have ordinary human psychology. Therefore, writing about their abuses, as something out of the ordinary, is stupid and at least dishonorable towards hundreds of thousands of honest workers and party members. And socialism has nothing to do with it.
    Personally, I was raised with examples of a different kind.
    I remember reading a story about how an officer came from the front to visit his family. He gave his wife a piece of bread. She gave it to his son, and he furtively put his dad in his overcoat pocket, because he needed it at the front. And the officer felt for this piece of bread when he was driving in a car back to the front. I still remember and the tears in my eyes are welling up.
    And when the guide talked about Tanya Savichev in the museum, I stood and cried, recalling how I was in Chechnya in the first war, when they took Grozny and saw civilians who crawled out of the basements, hungry, cold. I stood and cursed the authorities, which brought to this. But with the blockade of Leningrad, the Germans were to blame, but in Chechnya, home-grown liberals were to blame.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 23 November 2018 12: 44
      -2
      Quote: glory1974
      И chairmen of district and regional committees ordinary people - Earthlings who have not flown from Mars, and having ordinary human psychology. Therefore, write about them abuses, like something out of the ordinary, stupidly

      What does "stupid" mean? and what should be: Understand-forgive?
      or is this normal?
      Quote: glory1974
      in relation to hundreds of thousands of honest workers and party members, at least dishonestly

      Hundreds of thousands worthily endured hardships and won, honor and glory to them!
      But there was a provided guidance and the mention of it does not offend the memory of hundreds of thousands of Leningraders in any way, and this is also part of the history of the blockade, and you also need to know this.

      ps my relatives survived the blockade, in the militia and anti-aircraft gunners. only one aunt died from the bomb
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 23 November 2018 13: 25
        +6
        What does "stupid" mean? and what should be: Understand-forgive?
        or is this normal?

        I wrote that the abominations described in the article are peculiar to some human individuals regardless of the political system, country, religion, etc.
        And this article revealing some facts, puts emphasis on shortcomings in public administration, and specifically in the work of urban and law enforcement agencies. Ignoring the numerous facts about the death of cooks in the canteens from hunger. These people prepared food for others, but they themselves didn’t even take the crumbs!
        Therefore, the truth is one-sided. Thus, if you support the author, then you should also support the film "Holiday" about a feast during the blockade.
        But for the vast majority of people, this is not acceptable. Therefore, fortunately, the film did not take place.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 23 November 2018 14: 12
          -5
          Quote: glory1974
          And this article revealing some facts, puts emphasis on disadvantages in public administration, and specifically in the work of city and law enforcement agencies

          and what should be silent? Wow. by the way. limitations!
          Quote: glory1974
          Ignoring the numerous facts about the death of cooks in the canteens from hunger. These people prepared food for others, but they themselves didn’t even take the crumbs!

          that's been written about very, very much.
          1. Avior
            Avior 24 November 2018 00: 34
            +2
            a lot has been written, but I am very skeptical about the fact that the cook, the director of the bakery or the head of the military food warehouse died of starvation. The fact that such allegations come from relatives - I believe in it, I also admit that they could write in some newspaper in an obituary - propaganda was then very posed. Of course, I have read about this many times. But I have never been able to find the primary source of the allegations with real evidence that these people died of starvation, although I tried.
            If you or someone who reads knows where to see such evidence, I will be grateful if you indicate
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 24 November 2018 07: 59
              -3
              Quote: Avior
              a lot has been written, but I am very skeptical about the fact that the cook, the director of the bakery or the head of the military food warehouse died of starvation.

              Similarly
            2. Glory1974
              Glory1974 25 November 2018 20: 07
              +1
              Kyutinen Daniil Ivanovich - a baker of besieged Leningrad, who died from exhaustion on February 3 1942 at the age of 59 years, right at work.
              He died, but did not eat a single gram of baked bread. He was buried at the Shuvalovsky cemetery. Included in the book of memory of the siege of Leningrad
              https://pikabu.ru/story/kyutinen_daniil_ivanovich__pekar_blokadnogo_leningrada_umershiy_ot_istoshcheniya_3_fevralya_1942_g_v_vozraste_59_let_pryamo_na_rabote_3089481
        2. Avior
          Avior 23 November 2018 14: 39
          +1
          peculiar to some human individuals

          it's true. but the question is, where did they concentrate then?
        3. Vladimir 5
          Vladimir 5 23 November 2018 18: 03
          -1
          Glory, you are probably 13 years old in terms of the level of thinking, - the cooks never died of hunger, and self-preservation protected from starvation, from transmission and heart disease often ... You do not tell PPR stupidity, starting from your relatively well-fed and secured from starvation mindset. What will the cook do if his daughter starts dying from dystrophy, or dies at the boiler without removing the "sample" ... and so on ... It is on such fools that the "parasitic" pyramid of power is being built.
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 25 November 2018 19: 14
            +1
            What will the cook do if his daughter starts dying of dystrophy, or dies at the boiler without removing the "sample" ... and so on ... It is on such fools that the "parasitic" pyramid of power is built.

            People like you cannot understand how you can give your life for the lives of others. You wrote a comment that perfectly characterizes people who put personal gain over public benefit. It is in this vein that the "liberals" are now writing: he could not close the embrasure of the pillbox, he could not ram, the instinct of self-preservation interfered.
          2. Glory1974
            Glory1974 25 November 2018 20: 06
            +1
            Kyutinen Daniil Ivanovich - a baker of besieged Leningrad, who died from exhaustion on February 3 1942 at the age of 59 years, right at work.
            He died, but did not eat a single gram of baked bread. He was buried at the Shuvalovsky cemetery. Listed in the memory book of the siege of Leningrad [media = http: // https: //pikabu.ru/story/kyutinen_daniil_ivanovich__pekar_blokadnogo_leningrada_umershiy_ot_istoshcheniya_3_fevralya_1942_g_v_vozraste_59_g_v_vozraste_3089481_gam__ryam_xramte_nram_bram_bram
            1. Vladimir 5
              Vladimir 5 25 November 2018 21: 56
              -1
              Glory 174. And how many such heroes were there, units, and exceptions. confirm the rules. You repeat propaganda for the masses about sacrifice, but distinguish propaganda from the realities and laws of nature, which are almost impossible to break in droves ... Remember the 90s, and there were many heroes who sacrificed their property for the sake of distressed families, and after all it was already a developed society socialism, not a match for the early fifties ... So draw conclusions, do not pass off individual cases as systemic. I’m not for scum, I’m for a real understanding of the history of events and without the pink propaganda of wearing glasses and noodles on the ears. I repeat, only truth makes a person free and responsible, which we have not seen for almost a century, and that’s what society is .....
              1. Glory1974
                Glory1974 26 November 2018 08: 26
                +1
                And how many were such heroes, units, and exceptions. confirm the rules.

                Are these our heroes who committed mass heroism - an exception to the rule?
                5 million shoots from German concentration camps - exceptional cases? And the Germans - 274 escape from the Soviet camps! Do you feel the difference?
                How many rams do Soviet pilots and German have? Do you know? Or is it propaganda too?
                You repeat propaganda for the masses about sacrifice, but distinguish propaganda from the realities and laws of nature, which are almost impossible to break in droves ..

                I know what I'm talking about. I went through the 2 war. And I know what sacrifice is not out of propaganda, but I personally saw it. Unlike probably you, who spent his whole life sitting on a warm sofa, and made conclusions about life from what he read in the newspaper.
                I am for a real understanding of the history of events and without the pink propaganda wearing glasses and noodles on the ears.

                I, too, for the truth. Only you and I get a different truth. And what does propaganda have to do with it, I don’t understand. Is that your favorite word? Or when propaganda talks about donations, do you think the propagandists put pink glasses on you?
                only truth makes a person free and responsible, which we no longer see for almost a century, and so is society

                What truth do you want to see? If everything is propaganda for you? But society doesn’t like it. Or are you specifically talking to yourself. You are also a society. So then write like that, without reference to the wrong people (bad society) that does not allow you to live normally.
                1. Vladimir 5
                  Vladimir 5 26 November 2018 16: 49
                  -1
                  Glory 174. Do you even turn your brains on when you write. - Of the total 5,5 million prisoners of war - 5 mill. shoots? (so that the dispute is at least a little real). Do not confuse the sacrifice of the military with the sacrifice of civilians, completely different things. And especially in connection with the presence of reasons for unity, - service, acquaintances, relatives. (especially among Jews and other national minorities - and their common nationality). Thirdly, we need a real analysis of the facts, because propaganda of the event changes beyond recognition ... I will cite the fact about the hero of the Second World War, in one division he served as a sergeant of the national leader from the Baltic states. In the summer of 1942, being on the defensive, he fled to the Germans. This escape was spotted, because artillery, machine guns and so on were quickly pulled from the division to the front sector, the Defector (as expected) spoke of weak defense and invited the Germans to attack and defeat. The Germans moved in five tanks and infantry, but received a powerful rebuff, lost a tank and a lot of infantry. The Germans considered the deserter a mishandled provocateur (because his data did not completely match) and lifted him nailed to the cross at the forefront (showed our fate to ours) .. Today, this executed deserter is brutally listed in the heroes list, tortured by the Germans, without any background ... (example, to you, how often propaganda does not correspond to the truth) .. If you do not understand the essence of my statements, then you still have a long way to go ...
                  1. Glory1974
                    Glory1974 27 November 2018 09: 44
                    +1
                    Do you even turn your brains on when you write. - Of the total 5,5 million prisoners of war, - 5 mill. shoots? (so that the dispute is at least a little real).

                    I didn’t think that everything was so started for you. About the shoots - the official data of the Germans. Turn on your brains, or didn’t you read books about the war? Each prisoner of war tried to escape more than once.
                    Do not confuse the sacrifice of the military with the sacrifice of civilians, completely different things.

                    Ha ha ha The military arrived from Mars? Yesterday’s schoolboy, and today a conscript soldier Yevgeny Ostroukhov, being the gunner of the BTR machine gun, did not leave the burning car, but continued to shoot until he shot the entire BK. Hero of Russia.
                    I’ll give you thousands of examples. The fact that a man has put on a military uniform does not automatically include his sacrifice. What you yourself wrote about your defector.
                    By the way, having crucified him on the cross, the Germans committed a war crime, which propaganda told you about. Therefore, he is rightly listed in the list of those tortured. Because, if you thought, you understood that regardless of nationality, any national leader should be tried, during the war, the court of the military tribunal, and should be sentenced in accordance with the law. even to be shot, but not to be crucified on the cross.
                    1. Vladimir 5
                      Vladimir 5 27 November 2018 12: 14
                      -1
                      Quote: "I never thought that everything was so neglected in your country. About the escapes - the official data of the Germans. Turn on the brains, or have you read books about the war? Each prisoner of war tried to escape and more than once" After the escape, execution is inevitable, or a concentration camp without survival, but 2,5 million prisoners returned from captivity ... (True, most of them went into no less tough captivity, - Gulag) .... Where did Vlasov have more than 200 thousand ROA army, not counting the many-numbered parts of the nationalists in service from the Germans (they, as they put it, from Mars) ... The main contingent of prisoners of the Red Army, according to the experience of captivity in WWI, wanted to sit out and did not think to flee. Quite a few entered the service of the Germans as volunteer assistants, and had the nickname "hivi -". ask about this large contingent. ... Further, a dispute is not possible due to the inadequacy of the opponent ...
                      1. Glory1974
                        Glory1974 27 November 2018 14: 22
                        +1
                        You do not want to see the obvious. Of course, it is impossible to discuss here. But this phrase of yours explains your orientation:
                        (True, the majority went to an equally hard prisoner, - the Gulag) ...

                        This is a blatant lie of the "liberals." According to statistics, from 5 to 10% of the prisoners were sent to the camps. But not the majority. As they say, we can't see the forest behind the trees. If you don't want to argue, don't. But about inadequacy, this applies more to you.
  7. 1536
    1536 23 November 2018 11: 42
    +5
    No wonder they say: "To whom the war, and to whom the mother is dear."
    My mother lived in Tula during the Second World War. Of course, Tula was not a blockade, but a besieged city in 1941, but people were also starving, bringing their last savings to the so-called Torgsins in order to survive. We bought food. And from the Torgsins, the funds raised by the state in this way were used to purchase equipment from the Anglo-Americans through the Lend-Lease. This is the "war" economy. And why be surprised when you look at American cities with named skyscrapers in the middle?
    Conclusion: a new war or "revolution" cannot be allowed in order to somehow restore the gene pool of the people.
    1. Avior
      Avior 23 November 2018 14: 31
      +1
      Are you confusing anything?
      The Torgsins were closed before the war, in 1936.
      In the early 30s, yes, with their help, the state lured gold and silver from starving people.
      1. 1536
        1536 23 November 2018 17: 09
        +1
        That's right, the traders were closed in 1936. But the purchase of various values ​​from the population continued during the war years. The people called these purchases from the old memory "Torgsinami".
        By the way, the researchers say that there are no materials in the archives in the public domain over the years of the war on this issue. From 1932 to 1936, the proceeds from the sale of valuables to the West (which is about 100 billion rubles) went to industrialization. How much was spent on land lease and on the needs of the front, one god knows. Americans and British give conditional figures.
        1. Avior
          Avior 24 November 2018 00: 35
          -9
          Well, how much is left for the land-lease, it is known at all. For the USSR, it was completely free.
          1. LMN
            LMN 24 November 2018 03: 26
            +4
            Quote: Avior
            Well, how much is left for the land-lease, it is known at all. For the USSR, it was completely free.

            No need to lie
            1. Avior
              Avior 24 November 2018 12: 57
              -2
              I agree.
              Do not lie, then.
              1. LMN
                LMN 24 November 2018 13: 04
                0
                Quote: Avior
                I agree.
                Do not lie, then.

                How many lives did this Lend-Lease save?
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                2. Avior
                  Avior 24 November 2018 13: 11
                  -1
                  But was not Stalin ready to fight to the last man? Count yourself ...
          2. 1536
            1536 24 November 2018 06: 38
            +4
            Yes, and there was no land lease. The USSR alone defeated the German fascists and their accomplices on all fronts. I agree!
          3. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 24 November 2018 07: 09
            +2
            Quote: Avior
            Well, how much is left for the land-lease, it is known at all. For the USSR, it was completely free.

            I look, have you already dug up free American help here? Good Uncle Sam?
            Lend lease is rent on credit.
            In the first year of the Great Patriotic War, the Soviet Union was not at all part of the American Lend-Lease program. We were only included in it 11 June 1942 of the year.
            From June to November 1941, the USSR placed orders in the USA and the UK and paid for them in fact.

            https://topwar.ru/149695-drugoj-lend-liz-predislovie.html
            only in 1972, taking into account changes in rates, etc., the USSR recognized the debt in 722 million dollars, but as early as next year due to US pressure on the USSR foreign trade, the latter refused to pay anything at all.
            on the initiative of the Russian side (Russia is the successor state of the USSR) the debt to the Paris Club (of which the debt for lend-lease was also a part) was fully repaid in 2006.

            http://armedman.ru/stati/lendliz-s-chego-vse-nachalos-i-chem-zakonchilos.html
            1. Avior
              Avior 24 November 2018 12: 56
              -3
              Yeah. Free rental and free credit as assistance during the war.
              The loan was paid by the US government and the entire Lend-Lease for the USSR during the war was completely free, and amounted to a huge amount equivalent to 11 tons of gold - that is, almost half of the world's gold reserves at the beginning of World War II.
              But Lend-Lease is help during the war, and it ended with its end, and after the war, the Lend-Lease Act did not apply.
              And then on the choice, what they didn’t want to leave was to be returned, but what they wanted to leave after the war was paid. All that was used up was simply written off.
              So see?
          4. Warrior with machine gun
            Warrior with machine gun 24 November 2018 13: 37
            +2
            And in the holds of the cruiser "Edinburgh" there was air
            1. Avior
              Avior 24 November 2018 13: 46
              -1
              has no relation to Lend Lease. In addition to it, there was a small volume of ordinary mutual trade and other loan programs.
              Compare 5 tons of insured, by the way, gold at Edinburgh and 11 tons of gold equivalent only for American Lend-lease (and there were other similar ones less - from Canada and others) - and you will understand the difference.
  8. Avior
    Avior 23 November 2018 14: 34
    0
    About 95 thousand children were born in besieged Leningrad, however, after the winter of 1941 the birth rate fell, but all the same, the bill went to thousands and tens of thousands of children.
    And children certainly weren’t born only among the wealthy ....
    1. LMN
      LMN 24 November 2018 03: 25
      +3
      Quote: Avior
      About 95 thousand children were born in besieged Leningrad, however, after the winter of 1941 the birth rate fell, but all the same, the bill went to thousands and tens of thousands of children.
      And children certainly weren’t born only among the wealthy ....

      Does this fact speak about the "fattening" of the giving birth?
      How many of these "conceived" were conceived and bred before the siege?
  9. Huumi
    Huumi 23 November 2018 17: 00
    0
    So I won’t put my sword in the scabbard
    While living in the east
    I will not release my brothers
    From cruel Bolsheviks.

    (Mannerheim)





    On the memorial on the stove
    lines are cut in granite
    from grateful from children
    who forgot the day that far
    when blockade black circle
    was closed like a good Swede
    you liberal did not know the torment
    swallowing paste over dinner.
    Did not reach, unable to get up
    Why stand there, and even crawl
    I didn’t take my mother on a sled
    In the reception of corpses in the cold ...
    I didn’t see the dead children
    Withered corpses frozen
    Mad mothers gone
    From death they were not obscured ...

    .
    Ivan does not remember kinship
    For a penny a stranger who sold his soul
    But on folk remedies
    Ready to twist my carcass.
    God be damned like Judas
    My country is still alive
    And we breathe as long as
    She will not be betrayed
    Jorg
    (Those who drove nails into the memorial plate Mannerheim so that she hung, she spit passing by on Karl)
  10. Edvid
    Edvid 24 November 2018 00: 00
    +2
    Only registered cases of cannibalism in Leningrad in the first year of the blockade - more than 150, in the second year - more than 300 ...
  11. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 5 February 2019 21: 57
    0
    But what about the Wehrmacht’s operations to distribute counterfeit money and food stamps in Leningrad? not a word about it in the article !!!