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The Israeli Air Force will receive an additional squadron of F-15IA fighter jets

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Israel has decided to acquire an additional squadron of advanced multifunctional fighter F-15IA, reports TSAMTO with reference to Ynetnews.com.


The Israeli Air Force will receive an additional squadron of F-15IA fighter jets


As the newspaper writes, the Israeli government has already approved the deal, and the arrival of the first aircraft is expected in 2023 year. This clarifies that the Israeli Air Force does not plan to abandon the further acquisition of fifth-generation fighter F-35A (the Israeli version of the F-35I "Adir").

It is reported that the United States will supply the Israel 25 advanced F-15IA (squadron) with extended service life and additional features, including a widescreen display in the cockpit. The cost of the entire package will be about 4 billion dollars and will be financed as part of the 10-year package of US military aid to Israel.

Currently, the Israeli Air Force is armed with 25 received in 1998-1999. F-15I, which will be further upgraded to the standard of the additional party F-15IA and 12 F-35I "Adir", the number of which by the 2024 year should increase to 50 (two squadrons of 25 machines).

Earlier it was reported that the Israeli Air Force command chose between the purchase or the third squadron of F-35I, or an additional squadron of F-15.
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  1. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 21 November 2018 17: 36
    +1
    25 aircraft for 4 billion bucks belay the Yankees know how to cut cabbage from `` allies '' lol
    1. Machito
      Machito 21 November 2018 17: 48
      0
      160 million dollars per plane. Agreement. No.
      Israel fits well into the Arms Race.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 21 November 2018 18: 12
        +8
        Quote: ANCIENT
        the Yankees know how to cut cabbage from `` allies ''

        Well, and who is cutting whom considering this? ---...The cost of the entire package will be about 4 billion dollars and will be funded as part of a 10-year US military assistance package to Israel.
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 21 November 2018 18: 27
        +6
        Quote: Bearded
        160 million dollars per plane. Agreement. No.
        Israel fits well into the Arms Race.

        Not really. This amount also includes the modernization of the F-15 AOIs already in service. New cars will cost us, like the Saudis for $ 120mln.
        1. Random
          Random 21 November 2018 18: 41
          +12
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          New cars will cost us, like the Saudis, $ 120 million.

          A plane is good ... do not take soldier
          It is equipped with:
          - Airborne radar Raytheon AN / APG-82 (V) 1 (analogue AN / APG-63 (V) 3 for Saudis) with AFAR.
          - On-board defense complex BAE Systems DEWS.
          - Suspended targeting containers Lockheed Martin AN / AAQ-33 Sniper and navigation Lockheed Martin Tiger Eyes.
          - an integrated electron-optical Lockheed Martin AN / AAS-42 system.
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 21 November 2018 19: 12
            +2
            Quote: Random

            A plane is good ... do not take soldier
            It is equipped with:
            - Airborne radar Raytheon AN / APG-82 (V) 1 (analogue AN / APG-63 (V) 3 for Saudis) with AFAR.
            - On-board defense complex BAE Systems DEWS.
            - Suspended targeting containers Lockheed Martin AN / AAQ-33 Sniper and navigation Lockheed Martin Tiger Eyes.
            - an integrated electron-optical Lockheed Martin AN / AAS-42 system.

            There, up to 50% of Israeli equipment will be integrated into avionics. But in general, the deal is looming at ten billion. Fighter aircraft, tankers and helicopters will be purchased from Boeing.



            But Boeing, to get this order goes to meet Israel.

            The American aircraft building concern Boeing reached an agreement with the Government of Israel, according to which it will make purchases in Israel for an amount not less than 35% of the cost of any government order received in Israel.
            On the agenda of the IDF, the purchase of destroyers, refueling aircraft and helicopters totaling about 10 billion dollars.



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        2. Yodzakura
          Yodzakura 21 November 2018 19: 00
          +1
          That's not the point. F-15 Israel puts its electronics in f-35 Americans forbid to put electronics
        3. Maz
          Maz 21 November 2018 23: 04
          +1
          Aron, one question, and with whom are you going to defend yourself so actively buying for free weapons of attack, not defense? Shaw, peace has become sour? Egypt does not touch you, Jordan on its knees asks for water, Gaza alone and Lebanon with Hezbollah. Gas can be swallowed within two days. Lebanon is ready to make peace. In Syria, the second time Russia offers you nishtyaki and peace. BUT USA does not give the go-ahead? But gives bombers - to protect the territory of the state of Israel? Bombers? For protection? You say make a profit? And the account of the wounded for two weeks of confrontation with Gaza goes for one and a half hundred Israelis. These pictures and letters are especially touching, oh, how bad it is ... I send them immediately to Donbass, let them compare. And on the other hand - absolute failure to try to live in peace with the Arabs and negotiate at all .... either they are not willing or absolutely incapable, like impotent people - only to fight, shoot down, targeted liquidations, skirmishes, raids, ... strange stronghold behavior democracy, genius and the best achievements of mankind. Well, we will look further. While the GDP is one hundred percent right, as if in Israel they were not hysterical about the fact that Russia showed Israel its place lower than its back, and all of Isarail turned out to be there instantly. Along with the government crisis, Gaza and the threats of hezbollah. I'm a fool, where is the vanguard of a steam locomotive heading into the third world war? Peacekeepers discuss how to get hold of more weapons well. :)
      3. Self
        Self 21 November 2018 20: 12
        -1
        The fact of aircraft arrival is important. Even if for 500 million pieces, it doesn’t matter if they can afford them.
    2. XXXIII
      XXXIII 21 November 2018 18: 30
      0
      Quote: ANCIENT
      25 aircraft for 4 billion bucks belay the Yankees know how to cut cabbage from `` allies '' lol

      According to the publication, the Israeli government has already approved the deal, and the arrival of the first aircraft is expected in 2023. The cost of the entire package will be about $ 4 billion and will be financed. as part of a 10-year US military assistance package to Israel.
      They help the Jews, then the Jews themselves can’t, and for free, Jews will kiss any plane in the tail, they are sovereign ..... laughing
    3. APASUS
      APASUS 21 November 2018 18: 56
      +4
      Quote: ANCIENT
      25 aircraft for 4 billion bucks belay the Yankees know how to cut cabbage from `` allies '' lol

      Israel, I think it’s not even spending the shekel, everything is done as part of the US military assistance to Israel. The Americans allocate funds, and Israel chooses to supply only American weapons, within the agreed amount.
      The question is rather what made Israel take an additional batch of F-15IA, and not so advertised (just a super plane) F-35I "Adir", because the money was even cheaper.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 21 November 2018 19: 24
        +4
        Quote: APASUS
        The question is rather what made Israel take an additional batch of F-15IA, and not so advertised (just a super plane) F-35I "Adir", because the money was even cheaper.


        There are a number of distinct reasons - just described below. Nobody refuses Adir - a magnificent aircraft.
      2. SSR
        SSR 21 November 2018 20: 36
        +1
        Quote: APASUS
        The question is rather what made Israel take an additional batch of F-15IA, and not so advertised (just a super plane) F-35I

        Imha, so that the F-15IA is really cooler than the 35 and more versatile.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 21 November 2018 22: 32
          +2
          Quote: SSR
          Imha, so that the F-15IA is really cooler than the 35 and more versatile.

          This is largely different in tasks and functionality of the machine. The pilots from F35 are delighted. He is not so clumsy as a penguin. This is the plane of the future, the real machine 21-th century.
      3. Setrac
        Setrac 21 November 2018 22: 02
        -1
        Quote: APASUS
        The question is rather what made Israel take an additional batch of F-15IA, and not so advertised (just a super plane) F-35I "Adir", because the money was even cheaper.

        Because the F-15 is really a serious car, and not bullshit like the F-35.
    4. Lesorub
      Lesorub 21 November 2018 20: 24
      +2
      Quote: ANCIENT

      25 planes for 4 billion bucks in Yankees know how to cut cabbage from `` allies ''

      I think this is not burdensome for Israel, because the states are not badly investing financial assistance in this country)) "According to the military assistance agreement, the United States will provide Israel $ 38 billion for ten years - from 2019 to 2028."
    5. max702
      max702 21 November 2018 21: 10
      0
      In Israel, there is a banal understanding that what really needs to be fought .. And the F-35s are not very suitable for this against the backdrop of the F-15 .. Yes, the F-35 is promising (primarily in the sense of sales, and this is HOLY!) But it’s also necessary that something real ..
    6. milton
      milton 22 November 2018 01: 07
      -1
      Quote: ANCIENT
      25 aircraft for 4 billion bucks belay the Yankees know how to cut cabbage from `` allies '' lol

      What makes you think that the chosen ones are going to pay for it? The article clearly states that the mattress budget pays for everything fool
  2. Serge Gorely
    Serge Gorely 21 November 2018 17: 36
    -3
    So after all the penguins are the most-most! And what old take?
    1. SOF
      SOF 21 November 2018 18: 49
      -1
      Quote: Serge Gorely
      So after all the penguins are the most-most! And what old take?

      ... so it’s just everything - you need to master the money somewhere elder - America has removed alles ... have you forgotten something ...? must not to choose? ...
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 21 November 2018 19: 11
      +5
      Quote: Serge Gorely
      So after all the penguins are the most-most! And what old take?

      Well, for the beginning of the penguins also continue to take. And they are the best.

      But there are several reasons.
      A) F15IA is part of a large batch deal with Boeing for 11 billions. In the course of which Boeing promised a significant portion of the funds to spend in Israel plus provide serious discounts.
      B) F-15IA “Israel Advanced” will contain updates aimed at increasing the secrecy of the machine, such as the internal placement of weapons and a special anti-radar housing cover. In addition, F-15 located in Israel will be updated. That is, there will actually be 4 ++ generation machines in an amount approximately equal to the number of such machines in Saudi Arabia or Qatar.
      B) F-15IA is able to carry one and a half times more load. With other excellent features.

      F-35 elegant aircraft. Aircraft of the future and prospects. But it is still running in. Plus, Israel does not want to make itself dependent on one machine and one supplier.
  3. Bykov.
    Bykov. 21 November 2018 17: 37
    +1
    .and the arrival of the first aircraft is expected in the 2023 year.

    Such know-how, and even in 2023
  4. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 21 November 2018 17: 40
    +2
    By the end of 2022, all 33 F-35s from the first order will arrive. Then they will go F-15, then another 17 F-35 aircraft.
    1. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 21 November 2018 17: 50
      0
      warrior, you had to create YOUR own airplane, all the same, Lavi succeeded by and large, and you went to the United States to bow, and after that you declare that Israel is an independent country negative belay
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 21 November 2018 17: 55
        +5
        Even the largest countries such as Germany and Japan cannot create their fifth-generation aircraft. And the 5th becomes obsolete before our eyes. Sweden is not able to sell its very good Gripen. Russia is struggling to pull the Su-4. Offset us to be included in a costly and obviously unprofitable project? It is better to have a leading position in drones and avionics.
        1. A good one
          A good one 21 November 2018 18: 03
          -4
          "Better to have a leading position in drones and avionics."

          It would be better if they didn’t deliver all this to anyone who was really good.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 21 November 2018 18: 28
            +4
            Quote: Not bad
            It would be better if they didn’t deliver all this to anyone who was really good.

            But what does it mean? Isaril is not an ally of Russia, so it’s free to sell weapons to any country in the world that is not under the sanctions of the UN Security Council.
            Russia sells weapons to Azerbaijan, although they are opponents of Armenia to Russia's ally.
            So, all that doesn’t concern alliance and sanctions of the Security Council of the United Nations is quite a hit.
            1. A good one
              A good one 21 November 2018 18: 30
              -2
              Georgia and Ukraine is popodya?
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 21 November 2018 18: 33
                +4
                Quote: Not bad
                Georgia and Ukraine is popodya?

                of course later. Are there Security Council sanctions that prohibit the sale of weapons to these countries, as happened with Iran?
                Israel and Russia are allies so that it is not beautiful and treacherous?
                Israel and Russia of the same faith, to say the brothers in faith didn’t do well? No.
                Jews and Russians of one nation, to say the blood brothers do not do well? Again, no.
                On the basis of what should it be the non-falling state of Israel in relation to Russia ?? on the basis that weapons are killing people? Then everyone should stop selling.
                1. A good one
                  A good one 21 November 2018 18: 40
                  -3
                  A lot of letters, didn’t you understand what I mean or pretend to be. smile
                  1. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 21 November 2018 18: 43
                    +2
                    Quote: Not bad
                    A lot of letters, didn’t you understand what I mean or pretend to be.

                    honestly, I didn’t catch the deep thought of what you wrote. I understood how the sale of arms to Israel and Ukraine is wrong.
                    Explain by what criteria is it wrong and from the series who gets to?
                    1. Russia
                      Russia 21 November 2018 18: 53
                      +1
                      It’s as if the man didn’t enter, did Hiroshima and Nagasaki be bombed because America was at war with Japan? Or start justifying again? hi
                      1. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 21 November 2018 18: 59
                        +4
                        Quote: Rusland
                        It’s as if the man didn’t enter, did Hiroshima and Nagasaki bomb the atom because America was at war with Japan?

                        as a reason yes, but for no reason.
                        Maybe just write what you had in mind, how to talk in riddles and enter into the essence of what was said?
                        and then the puzzles and cons))))
                      2. Russia
                        Russia 21 November 2018 19: 12
                        -3
                        With minuses, it’s not for me, there is simply an ethical side to the issue in relations with Israel, and so you are saying everything correctly, but at least little patriotism can be traced in your words, speak like in a memorized text. hi
                      3. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 21 November 2018 19: 32
                        +5
                        Quote: Rusland
                        there is simply an ethical side to the issue in relations with Israel, and so you are saying everything correctly,

                        contradiction. Just what is this ethical moment based on ?? I haven’t found anything.
                        Quote: Rusland
                        but at least little patriotism in your words is not traced, speak like in a memorized text

                        This is a familiar phrase. As an Azerbaijanian, naturally having a conflict with the Armenians, who is 1000000 times more intense against any enemy hated by the Russian people (Bendery-Georgians, West, USA, etc.), I do not understand the expression: "patriotism is not traced." Israel is alien in all respects and their behavior is NATURAL, patriotism is that what G to pour, wahh what are bad, what sold ??
                        the same thing, as from childhood, the wahh tell us what bad Armenians have slaughtered so many of ours, but it is NORMAL, they are enemies, they must cut it.
                        It is necessary to be indignant when brothers in the faith of blood, centuries-old friendship, etc. countries do things against, but dousing with Mr. Israel, which I consider neither a matchmaker nor an acrobat as a stupid occupation, not patriotism.
                      4. Russia
                        Russia 21 November 2018 19: 42
                        -3
                        You didn’t understand anything, just bit a bit. hi
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 21 November 2018 19: 16
                +5
                Quote: Not bad

                Georgia and Ukraine is popodya?

                Georgia sold weapons to 20 countries, including, say, Bulgaria and Turkey. Arms shipments were halted by Israel alone. But they curse him. Ukraine supplies Israel with a very limited range of weapons - precisely because of agreements with Russia; Therefore, Ukraine buys UAVs from Turkey, say. But the power of stigma is stronger - and Israel curses.
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 21 November 2018 19: 12
              +4
              Quote: Yeraz
              Russia sells weapons to Azerbaijan, although they are opponents of Armenia to Russia's ally.

              Well, that’s how Russia is sold.
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 21 November 2018 22: 06
          -3
          Quote: voyaka uh
          It is better to have a leading position in drones and avionics.

          Drones are a direct violation of the INF Treaty. And although it is signed only between Russia and the United States, the Americans are working to expand the list of signatories.
    2. XXXIII
      XXXIII 21 November 2018 18: 36
      -6
      Quote: voyaka uh
      By the end of the 2022 year, all 33 pieces of F-35 from the first order will arrive

      Dreaming is not bad ... laughing
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 21 November 2018 19: 25
        +3
        Quote: XXXIII
        Quote: voyaka uh
        By the end of the 2022 year, all 33 pieces of F-35 from the first order will arrive

        Dreaming is not bad ... laughing

        What to dream about? 13 and 14 F-35I landed on the Azores yesterday on their way to Israel.

        Vladimir made only one mistake. 33 machines must be operational by the end of the 21 year, and all 50 from the first order to the end of 2024 and this will make 2 full squadrons of 25 machines.
        1. XXXIII
          XXXIII 21 November 2018 21: 33
          -3
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          13 and 14 F-35I landed yesterday on the Azores on their way to Israel.

          How do we know?
  5. Faceless
    Faceless 21 November 2018 17: 44
    -2
    The Israelis played in the F-35A and decided that they didn't need such good)) The "good old" F-15IA is better.

    Well, they are even a pity from the part, because the Su-35 does not shine for them, because then all the disadvantages of the F-15IA would become obvious))
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 21 November 2018 17: 58
      +4
      We have enough 50 pieces of F-35.
      And the F-15, which pulls 13 tons of cargo, is needed like a bomber. We do not have strategic bombers.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 21 November 2018 22: 11
        -3
        Quote: voyaka uh
        And the F-15, which pulls 13 tons of cargo, is needed like a bomber. We do not have strategic bombers.

        Fucking your Air Force if you already think F-15 for a bomber.
    2. Jack O'Neill
      Jack O'Neill 21 November 2018 18: 19
      +5
      The Israelis played in the F-35A and decided that they didn't need such good)) The "good old" F-15IA is better.

      Needles are taken not instead of Lightning, but in addition. It is logical, well ...
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 21 November 2018 18: 29
        +5
        Quote: Jack O'Neill
        Needles are taken not instead of Lightning, but in addition. It is logical, well ...

        logical for the knowledgeable, and for Urashnikov only a set of letters in the text)))
        1. Jack O'Neill
          Jack O'Neill 21 November 2018 18: 33
          +2
          logical for the knowledgeable, and for Urashnikov only a set of letters in the text)))

          hi
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 21 November 2018 19: 58
      0
      Quote: Faceless
      The Israelis played in the F-35A and decided that they didn't need such good)) The "good old" F-15IA is better.

      These are aircraft of different purposes.
    4. Е2 - Е4
      Е2 - Е4 22 November 2018 13: 45
      -2
      it is obvious that the F-15 OPERATION HOUR is several times cheaper than the F-35. The F-35 is certainly a completely different machine and the combat capabilities are much higher than that of the F15
  6. irazum
    irazum 21 November 2018 17: 50
    -3
    And what will they pay? Is palm oil really?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 21 November 2018 18: 01
      +6
      Israel pays the United States for military technology, patents, joint projects, and intelligence information. For every invested US dollar, two are paid back. Therefore, they are so willing to give money.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 21 November 2018 18: 30
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Therefore, they are so willing to give money.

        why such an expensive calculation ?? 160 Lyamov per plane turns out? Yes, even with training, etc. very much after all.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 21 November 2018 18: 52
          +2
          F-15 has risen in price in the last "blocks". Even when Boeing 10 years ago offered us the Silent Eagle-F15 as an alternative to the F-35 (or F-18), it turned out that the 15th "flew" in price well over $ 100 million.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 21 November 2018 19: 02
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            F-15 has risen in price in the last "blocks". Even when Boeing 10 years ago offered us the Silent Eagle-F15 as an alternative to the F-35 (or F-18), it turned out that the 15th "flew" in price well over $ 100 million.

            some sky-high prices. Moreover, given that it stands out as an aid to a strategic ally, the price tag seems even more fantastic. And what price does it go to net allies for non-allies ??
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 21 November 2018 19: 07
              +1
              The price is the same for everyone. In this case, it is deducted from the amount of annual military assistance. We already have the F-15, they are satisfied. In addition, our Air Force never holds many types of aircraft at the same time. It is not economical: training, spare parts ...
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 21 November 2018 19: 10
                +2
                Quote: voyaka uh
                In addition, our Air Force never holds many types of aircraft at the same time.

                but 3 species now hold, although one firm. but still.
                Quote: voyaka uh
                The price is the same for everyone.

                And if the Pentagon buys a price for itself, how much is it reduced from these 160 ??
                Then we have to applaud the Americans, the price is the same for everyone, the price is expensive and at the same time the market is mostly in their hands in this area.
                How many countries are being denied for various reasons ..
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 21 November 2018 19: 12
                  +1
                  "but 3 kinds now hold," ///
                  ----
                  F-16 have already begun to write off. And continue as F-35 arrives.
                  1. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 21 November 2018 20: 08
                    +1
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    F-16 have already begun to write off. And continue as F-35 arrives.

                    But the F-16 is over 200, if I am not mistaken, and the F-35 is planned for only 50.
                    it turns out all the same, 3 species will remain.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 21 November 2018 19: 17
          +3
          Quote: Yeraz
          why such an expensive calculation ?? 160 Lyamov per plane turns out? Yes, even with training, etc. very much after all.

          There is a big package delivery.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 21 November 2018 20: 10
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            There is a big package delivery.

            how big is it? 5 engines and ammunition for several depots for 20 years ahead?
        3. Е2 - Е4
          Е2 - Е4 22 November 2018 13: 49
          0
          Because a worker in Russia in the production of a SU airplane receives 25- 35 thousand rubles. A worker in the assembly of aircraft in the United States receives a minimum of 5 thousand dollars. Catch the difference ??? Not to mention the fact that US planes are more perfect than Russian planes
      2. You Vlad
        You Vlad 21 November 2018 18: 40
        -1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        For every invested US dollar, two are paid back.

        I don’t believe it! It’s not in Hebrew. repeat
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 21 November 2018 18: 54
          +3
          It is in Jewish laughing
          - High return on investment. Not just that, foreigners invest tens of billions in Israeli start-ups. Including Arab oligarchs. And they get their profit.
    2. XXXIII
      XXXIII 21 November 2018 18: 38
      -3
      Quote: irazum
      And what will they pay? Is palm oil really?

      Slavery ..... yes
  7. newcomer
    newcomer 21 November 2018 17: 51
    -3
    our "Fozatron" in 19 will put AFAR "Beetle AME" for KB MIG.
    1. Henderson
      Henderson 21 November 2018 18: 03
      0
      Why does Fozatron need to either post to the KBMIG if the MiG-35s go with the ancient Zhuk-M anyway?
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 21 November 2018 18: 09
        -3
        Then, What is the “Fosatron“ developer. and go the first AFAR on MIG29 for testing. but what about the ancient, not ancient, in general, depending on which PFAR.
    2. Random
      Random 21 November 2018 18: 28
      +1
      Quote: newbie
      our "Fozatron" in 19 will put AFAR "Beetle AME" for KB MIG.

      Yes, but .....
      This is how they write about it - "In Russia, they are preparing to start testing an aircraft on-board radar with an active phased array of the Zhuk-AME type of the Fazotron-NIIR company (the station is also known as FGA50, or FGA50)
      The radar is designed for MiG-35 fighters and upgraded MiG-29
      the production of the first radar is currently being completed, tests will begin in December, four radars with integration on fighters will be manufactured in two years
      the station can detect air targets at a distance of about 160 km and simultaneously track 30 targets.
      So up to fellow it will be too early wink
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 21 November 2018 19: 13
        -2
        not scary. with what it is necessary to begin. and so, our PFAR also showed themselves well. Yes, and I suspect AFARs will go to export cars. there is a hope that our cars will receive ROFAR.
        1. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 21 November 2018 20: 16
          +2
          - and so, our PFAR also showed themselves well-

          A little comfort.
        2. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 21 November 2018 21: 04
          +1
          so, our PFAR -

          At exhibitions and in field conditions.
      2. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 21 November 2018 20: 16
        0
        Very over-the-horizon planning. The reality of the military-industrial complex shifts the terms to the right.
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 21 November 2018 21: 59
          -2
          and in Syria too. our SU35s are good at “saddling” predators. about VPK_ wait and see.
          1. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 22 November 2018 07: 36
            +1
            No Su-35s were shot down. There are no radars with AFAR on the Su-35S.
            1. newcomer
              newcomer 23 November 2018 11: 24
              0
              some kind of perverse perception of my comments. I didn’t write about the shooting down, I wrote about how our Sushki outplay the lizards with the PFAR. Read the comments carefully if you want to discuss normally.
  8. A good one
    A good one 21 November 2018 18: 01
    +2
    That's who the American sanctions are not threatened with. smile
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 21 November 2018 18: 12
      +3
      Until 1967, Israel was under an Amer embargo on arms supplies and financing of defense / dual-use enterprises.
      1. A good one
        A good one 21 November 2018 18: 14
        +2
        The fact is known, but now it looks somehow ridiculous. smile
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 21 November 2018 18: 15
          +2
          Everything always changes, no one is safe from anything.
      2. Dym71
        Dym71 21 November 2018 19: 21
        -1
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Until 1967, Israel was under an Amer embargo on arms supplies and financing of defense / dual-use enterprises.

        lol
        Yeah, while France was the main exporter of weapons to Israel. And the United States in 1949 provided the first loan to Israel in the amount of $ 100 million, and the size of annual loans remained almost unchanged for 20 years, with 95% of this assistance being food supplies and economic assistance.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 21 November 2018 19: 29
          +2
          That's right. That's just because of the Amer’s embargo, the M-48 EMNIP tanks had to be received from Germany as written off and as compensation, and the Americans sold the air defense system Hawk to the Jews with the personal permission of Kennedy yes
          But France and the United States all the same ... not at all ... not the same thing lol
          1. Dym71
            Dym71 21 November 2018 19: 48
            -1
            Quote: Krasnodar
            But France and the United States all the same ... not at all ... not the same lol

            Ken, Ken, Ken laughing , just a nuclear research center in Dimont, built with the help of France, what it costs! wink
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 21 November 2018 20: 39
              +3
              I agree, but they are not the United States, Paris is not Washington, the statue of Friedrom, although French, is not a fig, not the Eiffel Tower ..
              By the way, after 1967 France declared an arms embargo on Israel laughing
              1. Dym71
                Dym71 21 November 2018 21: 26
                +1
                Quote: Krasnodar
                By the way, after 1967 France declared an arms embargo on Israel laughing

                When France was exchanged for the USA, there was probably an unofficial booze, the bars were bursting with customers, Israel stood on its ears: wassat
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 21 November 2018 21: 46
                  0
                  I don’t think so. Logistic shoulder is longer laughing
                  1. Dym71
                    Dym71 21 November 2018 22: 27
                    +1
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Logistic shoulder is longer

                    A shovel is thicker wink
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 22 November 2018 08: 00
                      +1
                      Well, it is unconditional. )) And there are more Jews laughing
                      About Lopatnik - he began to play his part after 1979 - Camp David Accords. Jews 3 billion a year for giving up Sinai, Egypt 1,5 billion a year for diplomatic relations and peace with the Jews.
  9. gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 21 November 2018 18: 03
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    Airplanes are financed as part of military assistance to the state of Israel, there is such an article in the US budget. So for as much as they want for as much and they sell this money from Washington they will not go anywhere.
  10. irazum
    irazum 21 November 2018 18: 16
    +3
    Mdaa ... To see palm oil, as a payment, only our equipment deserves. Sad ...
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 21 November 2018 18: 37
      +3
      Quote: irazum
      To see palm oil as a payment, only our equipment deserves.

      if only so, than just gifts. But this phenomenon is also enough in Russian exports.
  11. Ceramics
    Ceramics 21 November 2018 19: 45
    0
    The Israeli Air Force command chose between the purchase of either the third F-35I squadron, or the additional F-15 squadron.

    And they chose F-15, a very strange decision, someone here wrote that for the sake of 13 tons of combat load, but F-35 with 8 tons looks good too and never heard that Israel would drop at once a dozen tons of bombs, usually point punches.
    1. Professor
      Professor 21 November 2018 20: 29
      +4
      Quote: Keramika
      usually point hits.

      Between the wars. During the war it is necessary to deliver to the territory of the enemy many, many bombs and quickly.
    2. ism_ek
      ism_ek 21 November 2018 20: 49
      0
      I’ve never heard that Israel immediately dropped somewhere a dozen tons of bombs,
      In Syria, on objects that are protected by the Armor, a dozen missiles are fired at once. Then they have the same quirk about Iran. Why do they need tankers? The F-35 is too weak for bombing Iran.
    3. Boris Ivanov
      Boris Ivanov 21 November 2018 21: 12
      0
      sewed on soap, wanted to change.
    4. Avior
      Avior 21 November 2018 21: 21
      -2
      Combat radius up to 2000 km "for interdiction mission"
      and speed up to 2.5 M
    5. Setrac
      Setrac 21 November 2018 22: 19
      -3
      Quote: Keramika
      but the F-35 with 8 tons looks good too

      A penguin with 8 tons will lose all its advantages and will be left alone with its shortcomings by a third-generation aircraft, not even a fourth.
      1. Ceramics
        Ceramics 21 November 2018 23: 11
        -1
        It will not reach melee combat, and if it does, emergency fuel dumping + bombs can also be immediately dropped into battle, but it is unlikely that it will have no competitors due to its radar and stealth, it will be knocked down when approaching, the 4th generation aircraft pilot will not even understand from where they brought him down.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 22 November 2018 18: 36
          0
          Quote: Keramika
          knock down on approach, the pilot of the 4th generation aircraft does not even understand where he was shot down from.

          With 8 tons of load, the penguin will glow like any other fourth-generation aircraft - of which it is
    6. Pimply
      Pimply 21 November 2018 22: 35
      +2
      Quote: Keramika
      And they chose F-15, a very strange decision, someone here wrote that for the sake of 13 tons of combat load, but F-35 with 8 tons looks good too and never heard that Israel would drop at once a dozen tons of bombs, usually point punches.

      During the war, during one departure, you need to hit the maximum number of targets.
      1. Ceramics
        Ceramics 21 November 2018 23: 12
        0
        Yes, but with the invisibility of air defense it is better to break through.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 22 November 2018 11: 17
          +2
          Quote: Keramika

          Yes, but with the invisibility of air defense it is better to break through.

          This particular version of the F-15 has a reduced ESR. Given the presence of the F35 and a large number of UAVs, there is someone to break through the air defense. And these cars - bring more "gifts" after the breakthrough
  12. SS-18 Satan
    SS-18 Satan 21 November 2018 21: 08
    -6
    an incomprehensible purchase .. that is, it does not take off from airfields .. because now it is stupid .. the freebie is over, for the IL-20 crew .. you have to answer anyway!
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    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 21 November 2018 23: 59
      +2
      "incomprehensible purchase .. something that is does not take off from airfields" ////
      ------
      In Israel, the international air force exercises have recently ended. In addition, they flew to the teachings in Greece.
      They fly constantly - pilots need to dial training hours. In December, we get three more F-35s.
      1. SS-18 Satan
        SS-18 Satan 22 November 2018 10: 26
        0
        are you suggesting this nonsense to yourself ?? you are at a serious moment, just nobody and nothing .. the army and country of one hour of war. (it always surprised when Pugs bark) all that you can do is stealthily, vilely, or try on a knowingly weak opponent, well, or the Gaza Strip. here is your destiny.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 22 November 2018 11: 21
          +3
          Israel at one time in two major wars of 1967 and 1973 defeated coalitions of Arab regular armies. With the destruction of hundreds of tanks, air defense systems and aircraft.
          It was not easy, but we are trying. Always happy to close
          gaps in your knowledge hi
  13. zenion
    zenion 21 November 2018 22: 14
    -3
    Great planes, but very sensitive to attacks on the vault of heaven. After the impact, all the sidelights fly off.
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