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How Stalin defeated the "fifth column"

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Since Khrushchev and the 20th Congress of the CPSU, it has become generally accepted that Stalin’s repressions are costs of the “personality cult,” the struggle for power, that these are consequences of Stalin’s bloodthirsty nature. And also, as A. Yakovlev, a prominent communist and graved-worker of the USSR, later reported, also a manifestation of the criminal nature and criminal nature of the Bolshevik regime.




However, as objective studies have shown, which have begun to make their way from the 2000's, repression had a very real basis. The essence of the repression secret is that a significant part of the “elite” of Soviet Russia led a double game and had connections with both England and the United States, and with Germany. Both Western and Eastern special services, as well as the “fifth column” played against the Soviet civilization and people. This is reported in works based on a large amount of documentary evidence, for example, the work of E. A. Prudnikova, A. I. Kolpakidi “A Double Conspiracy. Secrets of Stalinist repression "; A. North "The Mystery of Stalinist repression"; “Stalin against the“ degenerates of Arbat ”. 10 Stalinist strikes on the "fifth column"; A. Martirosyan "Stalin and the repression of 1920-1930-s" and many others.

In its ranks there were also “white knights”, representatives of white emigration, who hated the power of commissars. An excerpt from the disposition of the Union of National Terrorists (SNT), created in 1927, by members of the White Guard Russian All-Military Union (EMRO), can be cited. White terrorists proposed (according to A. Gasparyan's works “Operation Trust”. Soviet intelligence against Russian emigration. 1921-1937. ”And Kolpakidi A.I., Prokhorov D.P.“ KGB. Special operations of Soviet intelligence ”) to send sabotage groups for the explosion of bridges “simultaneously on the Volkhov and Luga, in order to cut off Petrograd and create panic. After that, you can go to the arson and to the explosions in the institutions by means of previously laid shells. ” Offered
“To organize the procurement of large force bombs, small vessels with gases and, most importantly, bacillus cultures. By this we, most likely, finish them with the least losses for us. And for the people, the appearance among the Communists of the plague or cholera will, of course, be interpreted as the wrath of God. On the humanity to speak no longer necessary. In addition, it is necessary to organize piracy at sea, poisoning the export of Russian goods ... "


And further:
“After the first strikes against living targets, the center of gravity should be transferred to industry, transport, warehouses, ports and elevators in order to disrupt the export of bread and thus undermine the base of the Soviet currency. I believe that no more than 5 – 10 people are needed for the destruction of the southern ports at each of them, and this must be done at the same time, because after the very first speeches in this direction, their protection will be significantly enhanced. Now there is no armed guard at all. After the first speeches, it is necessary to widely publish and send to all bread exchanges and large grain and fodder firms a message from the Union of National Terrorists, in which they inform that all members of SNT in Russia will not only hand over their bread to the Soviet dump points and elevators poisoned, but they will also poison the bread handed over by others. Even the partial poisoning of 3 — 4 steamers loaded with Soviet bread, no matter where it is done, will keep all reputable companies from buying Soviet bread. Of course, every case of poisoning should be immediately and very widely notified to the press, so that there would be no cases of actual poisoning by foreigners. The same can be done with other Soviet export edible products, such as Siberian oil. With the introduction of its people in the porters, port and customs officers it will be easy to do.

This would have dealt the Soviets a blow almost equivalent to a blockade. In addition, the destruction of grain elevators will not only greatly increase the cost of bread, but also worsen its quality. This will not be difficult to obtain in sufficient quantities of technical equipment, up to and including well-armed motor boats. If they were received, then some piracy could be developed to sink Soviet ships. After all, now there are motorboats, more high-speed, than destroyers. If there is a motorized vessel, it would be possible to arrange the sinking of the Soviet training sailboat Comrade, which is about to return from America. When it is slow, overtaking in the open ocean and drowning so that there are no traces left is not so difficult. But on it, after all, exclusively Komsomol and Communists. The effect would have been amazing. Sinking of the Soviet oil tankers could lead to breach of contracts for the supply of petroleum products and enormous penalties. Here we will find widespread support from oil companies. When American smugglers have their own submarines and airplanes, will we be denied getting good motorboats if we prove ours?

We must immediately begin sending propaganda literature to Russia in various ways calling for terror and for the self-organization of terrorist cells acting on behalf of the CNT. In relation to Soviet abbreviations, the organization could be abbreviated as “Saint” or “Sento”, and the members - “Saint-Toki” or “Sentists”. It is imperative that the terrorists being sent during speeches always throw a note that the attempt or act was made by such a group of SNT, constantly changing the numbering in order to create the illusion of the power of SNT and confuse the GPU ... "


"White Knights" suggested the idea of ​​sending biological and chemical weapons:
“To destroy the Communist Party’s personnel, it will be necessary to mainly apply the culture of germs of epidemic diseases (cholera, smallpox, typhoid, plague, anthrax, glanders, etc.). This method is the safest for a terrorist, and if it is possible to organize the sending of disease cultures to Russia, one terrorist will be able to put hundreds of Communists to the expense ... Organizing sending cultures of microbes is very easy through smuggling diplomats. A great many diplomats of limiting countries (Finland, Poland, the Baltic republics separated from Russia. - Auth.) Smuggle smuggling to Moscow and carry it right up to 10 pounds (3 – 4 suitcase). For transportation take from 150 to 300 dollars per suitcase ... With some caution, you can send both gases and explosives through them. Only all these items need to be given a marketable appearance, that is, so that diplomats and intermediaries do not know what they are actually carrying ... Bacillus cultures should be sent best in packaging from perfumes, cologne, essences, liqueurs, etc. - or varnishes in tin or steel packaging. Explosives - under the guise of paints, vanilla, which is sent in tin boxes ... "


This program says a lot, and you can immediately see analogies in the actions of German intelligence, the American special services, who are planning an economic war against the USSR. In modern stories these are the actions of various terrorist groups, for example, as during the Chechen war or jihadists in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. Chemical and biological weapons are actively used by Western special services for their own purposes, suffice it to recall the recent scandals with “poisonings” in Europe.

But this is only one of the threats to Soviet Russia. There were also Basmachis, and nationalists — Western Ukrainian, Baltic, and Trotskyists, and military conspirators, and a foreign terrorist threat. For example, from the side of Nazi Germany. The Germans made good use of the locals as the “fifth column” by organizing attacks on the victim countries. So, in 1934, security officer Mark Shtarkman exposed the underground sabotage group of the German Werner, a former Odessa gangster. It turned out that the German agent went to get instructions to the German embassy, ​​and in Kirovograd, where the airfield was located, where the heavy bombers were based, he created not only a sabotage organization, but also laid a cache of explosives. And this is just one example of many.

It is not surprising that in the Soviet empire it was necessary to create powerful state security organs, and under Beria they were still seriously cleaned up from representatives of the “fifth column”, the Trotskyists. As a result, security officers made a great contribution to the overall Great Victory, clearing the rear of representatives of the “fifth column” and skillfully successfully counteracting enemy intelligence services during the Second World War.

Of great interest is the defeat of part of the party "elite" by Stalin. The terror against the "Leninist Guard" was explained by the "pathological bloodthirstiness" of Stalin, who sought absolute, sole power. In reality, the “secret of 1937 of the year” is that the revolution was the result of both internal contradictions in Russia itself (Russian unrest) and the complex game of the global mafia. As a result, the Bolshevik party was not united. For a long time, its passionate and most influential core was represented by revolutionaries-internationalists, the Trotskyists, who had connections with representatives of the "financial international", the global mafia. Trotsky and his detachment of militants were abandoned in order to become the new leader of the Bolsheviks and Russia after the abolition of Lenin. In the plans of the global mafia, Russia was to become “dung”, the material basis for the world revolution, which led to the establishment of a “new world order” - a new version of the global slave-owning civilization with the ideology of Marxism, false communism.

The Russian Communists, led by Stalin, violated these plans; they began to build a “bright future” in Russia, and not all over the world, at the expense of Russian resources. Trotsky could not become the leader of Soviet Russia, the concept of a world revolution failed. However, the Trotskyists and other groups of communist internationalists, although they did not take full power in Russia, but retained serious positions in the USSR. They also maintained their positions in the West. The human weaknesses of some of the representatives of the Soviet “elite”, who were psychologically unprepared for the new Soviet morality, the creation of a society of the future, where “heaven on earth” would come for everyone, not just the “elect”, the representatives of the “elite” also had an effect. The West offered material pleasures, “beautiful life,” advantages over “mere mortals,” and guarantees for families. Eventually a significant part of the “elite” of the communist party began to consciously or unconsciously serve the “financial international”, the global mafia.

Thus, part of the Soviet "elite" came from selfish, material interests. These people wanted power and related benefits and pleasures. They clung to the power with all their might and for the sake of its preservation they made a deal with the devil, the world of the “golden calf”. They were ready to be reborn quickly, to become Gauleiters, overseers of the Western invaders and turn the new reality of communism into an illusion. After the defeat of the plans of the world revolution and its rollback to the borders of the USSR revolutionaries-internationalists embarked on the path of joint efforts with the global mafia to destroy the Soviet (Russian) project to create a civilization of the society of the future, which automatically led to the death of the global parasite. The Fifth Column sought to destroy the Stalinist USSR, to subjugate Russia to world financial, usurious capital. Stalin destroyed such "enemies of the people." They needed to be destroyed in order to preserve the Russian (Soviet) civilization and give the people a chance for a "bright future." Stalin tried to save the new reality from the old world so that the young Soviet supercivilization of the future could grow stronger and win. For this we needed and so-called. The “iron curtain” between the two worlds - the new super-civilization, the society of the future and the old world, the western vampire, a predatory civilization.

At the same time, Stalin was solving the task of educating and creating a new Soviet (Russian) elite. One of the most important problems of the Russian civilization is the rapid degeneration of the elite, which quickly forgets about civilization, national problems and solves personal, group and corporate to the detriment of civilization, the country and the people. The top quickly acquires property, property, connections, falls away from the task of creation and development, quickly turns into social parasites, bandits and marauders. The top of Russia, its bureaucracy is quickly turning into a terrible monster, a mafia that lives only for its own sake, and the country and the people are turning into food, “cannon fodder”. The same problem arose in 1917-1920. during the formation of the Soviet statehood.

Stalin saw this danger and tried to start the process of selecting the best personnel and stripping of rotten elements. Not allowing the elite to remain in peace, rotten swamp stability, confidence in the future. He used the most cruel methods to make the top work for the country and the people. From here and the highest efficiency of the Soviet empire. The repressions did not allow the nomenklatura to relax and enjoy the present day, to separate it from the people and to be reborn as a class of new owners, capitalist slave owners. Such a system did not allow the elite to take the path of degeneration, hoarding and plunder of their own country. Repression did not allow to stealLet us remember the famous “thief should be in prison” (now the thieves-oligarchs rob the country and the people with impunity). Forced to work for the development of the country. Let us recall the literally “iron” guard of Stalin, who raised Russia from the ruins and in the shortest possible time turned it into a military-economic, nuclear and space superpower, the civilization of the future. Let us recall such people as Beria, Zhukov, Rokossovsky, Ustinov, Gromyko, Ponomarenko and many others.

How Stalin defeated the "fifth column"


It was a brutal selection, corresponding to the task of survival of the Russian (Soviet) civilization. But he worked. Obviously, never in Russian history was there such a brilliant galaxy of representatives of the military, political, diplomatic, scientific, and administrative elite, as in the USSR of the 1930-1950-s period. These people created a superpower, laid the foundation for the civilization of the future, which later on allowed the current Russian Federation to have a fairly long period of time to more or less exist in the predatory environment of the “partners” and with the constant plunder of the country by representatives of the new “elite”. Unfortunately, it was not possible to consolidate this process of creating a new Soviet elite. After the elimination of Stalin began the rebirth of the Soviet elite, which led to the disaster of 1985-1991. and became the basis of the current problems of Russia, turned into the cultural and economic periphery of the West, the predatory capitalist world.
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  1. Olegater
    Olegater 21 November 2018 05: 30
    +32
    Good morning forum users!
    I read the article. You know, but nothing has changed!
    Everything is the same as then, only now there are slightly different methods, taking into account the development of communication and technology. And the basis is the same !!!! Do not scold the author, in my opinion he is right. And yet, forgive me carefully, it historically clearly describes the current attitude of the authorities to the people. It seems that those "faces" have not gone anywhere.
    Thus, part of the Soviet "elite" proceeded from selfish, material interests. These people wanted power and related benefits and pleasures. They clung to power with all their might and for the sake of its preservation went to a deal with the devil, the world of the "golden calf". They were ready to quickly reborn, to become Gauleiter-overseers of the Western invaders
    Many analogies can be found.
    1. Titsen
      Titsen 21 November 2018 07: 20
      -16
      Quote: Olegater
      Many analogies can be found.


      Especially relying on the history of the Russian state, written by someone unknown and rewritten for the sake of every "tsar".

      Why this article?

      How good was it under Stalin?

      How bad was it under Stalin?

      Prepare another hypertrophied population opinion?

      We must decide what is worse - with or without Stalin!

      Or maybe there is still a wise middle ground that you need to follow? ...
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 21 November 2018 07: 38
        +17
        Quote: Titsen
        We must decide what is worse - with or without Stalin!

        Apparently, you are one of those who are for the exploitation of man by man, incl. Stalin is bad for you, but good for me, because he fought all his life with people like you.
        1. Proxima
          Proxima 21 November 2018 11: 18
          +8
          The state can exist until then when there is a constant renewal of the elite. As soon as the elite turns into an untouchable nomenclature, then collapse. Stalin understood this very well, and the Chinese also understand this, who regularly shoot officials with enviable frequency, and simply rotate from the rest of the elite. hi
          1. Dzungar
            Dzungar 22 November 2018 15: 14
            +1
            The GB under Stalin after the War was precisely intended, to a greater extent, for the forced rotation of the party and Soviet elite, and this elite perfectly understood this. Therefore, when, after the death (murder) of Stalin, the party and Soviet elite gained the upper hand, the GB in the USSR was repressed extremely cruelly ... The strength and influence of the GB was restored only by 1975 through the efforts of Andropov. BUT, and the GB itself has also degenerated and turned into a stratum cut off from the people (Messrs. Chekists). But this was also planned initially, judging by the plans of Andropov, as a henchman of the European elites, for the destruction of the USSR and for unification with Europe ... By the way, all those present at the VO should remember the very recent statements of the Russian leadership about "Europe from Lisbon to Chukotka." .. Andropov's case lives on
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 21 November 2018 11: 41
          -11
          "Exploitation of man by man" In the USSR, the second man was the power - which exploited the peasants in the countryside for their work - without the right to move the latter, young people were herded to construction sites for "soup", and they themselves agreed - so that they could get out of the poverty of villages and villages, used slave labor of all prisoners - this gave 6% of industrial growth. But this is all in the past, and the future now and further belongs to automation, people will be needed less and less in hard work, they will gradually be replaced by machines, both in mines and in production - then your so-called exploitation of man - by man will end - the first man will be left without work at all, respectively, and without means of subsistence and these people will tear each other - for a place to get a job.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 21 November 2018 14: 56
            -1
            This is a global trend.
          2. Claymore
            Claymore 21 November 2018 18: 22
            +3
            Quote: Vadim237
            Exploitation of man by man "In the USSR, the second man was power
            Vadik, are you raving again? laughing

            which in the countryside exploited peasants for workdays - without the right to move the latter
            What is a workday, what does the peasants have to do with workdays, and by what regulatory act was the right of the peasants to move limited?

            young people were driven to construction sites for "soup"
            What facts testify to this?

            and they themselves agreed - yes, to break out of the poverty of villages and villages
            Have you already made up your mind - they drove, or yourself.

            used the slave labor of all prisoners - this gave 6% of industrial growth
            1 Slave labor is the work of a slave, which is property.
            Was the prisoners property?

            2 Where did you get 6% from, how are they justified, what period are they related to?

            less and less people will be needed in hard work, machines will gradually replace them, both in mines and in production - then your so-called exploitation of man - by man will end - the first man will be left without work at all, respectively, and without a livelihood
            A capitalist without profit - i.e. not exploitation but capitalism will end. laughing
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 21 November 2018 21: 20
              -6
              Everything is due to facts, including workdays - on collective farms, and also a percentage equal to 6 in industry created - namely, camp labor. And capitalism will not end with the advent of robotics, commodity-money relations as they were and will remain - money will not go anywhere and this is the same fact.
              1. Claymore
                Claymore 21 November 2018 23: 44
                +2
                Everything is due to facts

                You do not portray dyslexic from yourself - there are zero facts in your writings, but you evade questions, therefore, especially once:

                What workday?

                What do peasants have to do with workdays?

                What legal act restricted the right of peasants to relocate?

                What facts indicate that young people were driven to construction sites for "soup"?

                How do your speculations that the peasant youth were driven to construction sites for "soup" coexist with your own speculations that the peasant youth themselves agreed to "drive away", and that the peasants (and therefore the peasant youth) were deprived of their rights moving?

                Was the prisoners property?

                Where did 6% come from and what do they mean if the labor productivity of prisoners, due to the lack of mechanization, was only + - 40% of the labor productivity of civilian employees?

                By what method were these 6% calculated?

                What period do these 6% relate to?

                And capitalism will not end with the advent of robotics, commodity-money relations as they were and will remain - money will not go anywhere and this is the same fact
                Capitalism is not commodity-money relations, but private ownership of the means of production + appropriation of surplus value by the owner.

                And the rampant growth of robotics, under capitalism, naturally leads first to the ruin of small and medium-sized businesses, which do not have the means to automate, as a result of which they lose to large companies in the competition, are squeezed out of the market, and their pompous owners turn into lumpens, either to the proletarians.
                Then to general unemployment - people are replaced by robots;
                And in the end, to narrow the market, which results in a monstrous crisis of overproduction, when ruined and unemployed people cannot buy (no funds), and the remaining capitalists cannot sell and pay the bills, which leads to their ruin.

                As a result of all this, the masses left without a livelihood will be forced to either quietly die under the nearest bridge, or to take up the forks and take down capitalism to zero.

                Which will be chosen from these 2 "or" is quite obvious.
                And the funniest thing is that in the first rows of those who take the pitchfork, you can be seen, because By this time, you will have turned from a "successful business owner" into a successful eater of rotten stuff from trash cans. laughing
                1. Mcar
                  Mcar 22 November 2018 05: 44
                  -12
                  Bravo! A wonderful "answer to Chamberlain"!
                2. Rakti-kali
                  Rakti-kali 22 November 2018 10: 30
                  -1
                  Quote: Claymore
                  Which will be chosen from these 2 "or" is quite obvious.
                  And the funniest thing is that in the first rows of those who take the pitchfork, you can be seen, because By this time, you will have turned from a "successful business owner" into a successful eater of rotten stuff from trash cans.

                  Bravo! An excellent answer to lovers of "crunching a French bun"!
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 22 November 2018 11: 13
                    -5
                    Lovers of French rolls are only you here - because you talk about them all the time.
                3. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 22 November 2018 11: 11
                  -3
                  You won’t see me taking up the pitchfork, since this robotization is in full swing at my production - this is medium-sized business and the profit is growing every year, and at the expense of becoming a successful owner - into a rotten devourer from a garbage can - this is from the category of narcotic fantasy, since I have accumulated so much funds for 11 ice of activity that I and not only me, will be enough for 500 years ahead, if you live on a decent pension every year - but it’s like paths like you in the tanks, in the 90s you had a good experience to this case. Trudoni - pay for labor on the collective farm - rations, 6% is everything that prisoners, including those from the camps, started from the age of 28 when the NEP broke off ending in 53, capitalism is also built on commodity-money relations, but don’t worry, and robotics will become cheaper every year , more and more manufacturers of this equipment will appear on the market. Large companies are not engaged in small and medium-sized manufacturing business - different directions, it is not profitable for large companies to do all the components of their products - any car is an example, and robotics is basically the disappearance of professions, but not all, new ones will appear, but will they learn Those who are left without work are a big question, especially the low-skilled staff - and they will have to fight for a place in the sun - the losers will die under the bridge.
                  1. Beringovsky
                    Beringovsky 22 November 2018 15: 20
                    +7
                    You apparently live in some other Russia, Vadim. In the one where robotization is in full swing, the salary is growing unprecedentedly and you can live well at 3500 r
                    And in the one in which we live, it does not matter, to say the least.
                    In terms of robotics, we are close to India and the Philippines, yes ... and worse than Malaysia
                    To China we are like the moon, but there is no question of Japan and Germany.
                    We even Romania outperform 5 times - 3 promotions for 10 thousand people employed in industry in Russia, versus 15 in Romania.
                    In China, 25 (!!!) times more than -80 pcs / 10tys
                    60 times in the USA - 160pcs
                    And in Germany over 400.
                    Even Poland overtook us 10 times - they have 30
                    pcs / 10tys. We have, I recall only 3 promrobots.
                    This happens when the priority in the state is the extraction and sale of raw materials abroad.
                    1. Beringovsky
                      Beringovsky 22 November 2018 15: 40
                      +2
                      Especially for Vadim 237
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                  2. Claymore
                    Claymore 22 November 2018 15: 31
                    +6
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    You will not see me taking up the forks, as this robotization is in full swing at my production
                    Escho times for the geniuses of the economy. laughing

                    General Robotism under capitalism leads to a massive reduction in wage earners, which you yourself wrote about above.
                    And these redundant workers form the bulk of the end consumers of all manufactured goods and services.

                    Accordingly, as long as there are few "smart" ones like you, and the percentage of robotic jobs is insignificant, everything remains more or less smooth.
                    But it’s worth only robotization to cross the threshold of 25-30%, and your profits will be covered with a copper basin, because the products manufactured at your enterprise will become unnecessary for anyone - they won’t be able to buy it stupidly because the workers replaced by robots (they are end-users) will not have the funds to purchase goods manufactured using your enterprise’s products.

                    The result of the above will be either your ruin (as a result of which you will go to rummage through garbage dumps), or you will have time to throw off property for some loshara for a song and stay for some time as a rentier (exactly until a hungry angry crowd hangs you on a nearby tree ) laughing

                    Trudoni - pay for labor on the collective farm - rations
                    You proved once again that the mass capitalist is illiterate for the most part.

                    Workdays are not payment, but a method of accounting for the labor contribution in accordance with which payment was made.

                    6% is all that the prisoners created, including from the camps starting from the year 28 when the NEP broke off ending in 53
                    So prove it.

                    Capitalism is also built on commodity-money relations.
                    Capitalism is built on capital - this directly follows from the name.

                    losers die under the bridge.
                    laughing
                4. Semen1972
                  Semen1972 22 November 2018 11: 24
                  -1
                  Quote: Claymore
                  And the rampant growth of robots, under capitalism, naturally leads first to the ruin of small and medium-sized businesses, which lack the means to automate, as a result of which they lose to large companies in the competition

                  Did you dream about it? Yesterday I returned from Prague, thousands of small cafes, restaurants, travel agencies, bakeries and so on. And no one went broke. How to explain ????
                  1. Claymore
                    Claymore 22 November 2018 15: 37
                    +3
                    Quote: Semen1972
                    How to explain ????

                    Very simple - you read the text inattentively and do not delve into its meaning.
                  2. Mcar
                    Mcar 22 November 2018 19: 32
                    -3
                    Quote: Semen1972
                    Yesterday I returned from Prague, thousands of small cafes, restaurants, travel agencies, bakeries and so on. And no one went broke. How to explain ????

                    So easy to explain. You look at the events point-blank, but what you did not see before. Well, let's say how many owners of these thousands of cafes, restaurants, travel agencies, bakeries you asked: how old are their businesses?

                    Personally, I notice a regular change of signage - there was a cafe, it takes several years - oh! store, another couple of years pass - op! hairdresser, a little more time passes - op! anything else. Stability only at pharmacies. So this is also for the most part a trading business, i.e. with increased profitability compared to production. I doubt that the owners have earned as much as they need and went on a well-deserved rest. Most likely they went broke, at best they went to zero.

                    In the West, the most optimistic survival rate for new businesses under the age of 3 years is 70%, 5 years - 50%, 10 years - 20%.

                    In the Russian Federation, the survival rate of a new business for 3 years is about 30%. For 7-10 years - 5%.
                    1. Semen1972
                      Semen1972 23 November 2018 09: 23
                      -1
                      Quote: McAr
                      In the West, the most optimistic survival rate for new businesses under the age of 3 years is 70%, 5 years - 50%, 10 years - 20%.

                      In the Russian Federation, the survival rate of a new business for 3 years is about 30%. For 7-10 years - 5%.

                      Give a link to your data. Very little is believed in these data. Since he has been in small and medium business all his life. And what business are you in and in which city? Where in Europe have been observed this?
                      1. Mcar
                        Mcar 23 November 2018 10: 17
                        -12
                        Quote: Semen1972
                        Give a link to your data.

                        They are the same as mine.
                        https://antonbv.livejournal.com/40952.html
                        If this is not to your liking, then find YOUR data yourself. I will get acquainted with interest.
                  3. Wasiliy1985
                    Wasiliy1985 22 November 2018 19: 51
                    +1
                    Prague is not a industrial zone, but quite the opposite - a tourist zone. And to approximate the example of Prague to the entire economy of even the very Czech Republic - sorry, incredible stupidity !!
                    1. Semen1972
                      Semen1972 23 November 2018 09: 22
                      0
                      Quote: Wasiliy1985

                      Prague is not a industrial zone, but quite the opposite - a tourist zone. And to approximate the example of Prague to the entire economy of even the very Czech Republic - sorry, incredible stupidity !!

                      You do not like the example of the Czech Republic - write YOUR example in Europe or China or Asia, where small business dies in favor of large campaigns. And what are the names of the industry ...
                      And you can immediately clarify where you personally were and saw it, and not by HebelsTV I heard it
        3. Victor N
          Victor N 21 November 2018 16: 15
          0
          The term "exploitation" is entirely politicized. But our dear ancestors had to work hard in those days until the stars in their eyes. And they received heavy, pitiful crumbs for their labors - they were incredibly happy with a crust of bread, a piece of soap, a shred of chintz ... Pay attention - in films of the 40s - 50s, in the mass scenes, the soldiers are scrappy. The people lived very poorly - everything went to investments in industry. Created, but at what cost ?! But in another way, but without rigor, it would not have worked. And modern employers leave hired workers much more - they bought cars, now they are not for bread, there is not enough for gasoline! The difference, however .....
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 21 November 2018 21: 33
            0
            Everything was so. And the exploitation of man - man in the USSR was the most pronounced - a salary of 150 rubles, you do not plow any individual development, it was almost impossible to do something yourself, to find a tool, except that having connections neither in food nor in everyday life - there was a continuous shortage , behind the machines and then in a long queue, all inventions in all spheres of industry were piled on a shelf, the Soviet people became a massive, consumable material, in a huge production workshop called the USSR, the elite encouraged "Building a bright future" - for decades and in the 80s patience people started to burst at the seams - they wanted the best - but it didn't work out.
            1. Wasiliy1985
              Wasiliy1985 22 November 2018 20: 04
              +1
              About "plow, no individual development", the passage is especially beautiful - the Houses of Culture, the House of Technical Creativity, a bunch of sports sections and schools of the Olympic reserve (DYUSSH and DYUSSHOR), circles at schools and DK and DTT are immediately remembered. And this is all fun - for free !!!! Of these notorious "150 rubles" - not a penny was taken for the "individual development" of the child in accordance with his abilities. What you wanted to choose - go there and go !!
              1. Wasiliy1985
                Wasiliy1985 22 November 2018 20: 11
                0
                At school, they even automatically put 5-ku in physical training, if you went to a youth sports school or a sports school and had a grade. Although sometimes it was possible to show off and at the end of the "quarter" all school standards in the last lesson to block one and a half times, without even getting out of breath ..
                And you showed off, and the physical education instructor proved to the rest of the class that it was not just that he gave you a "penny" for a "quarter" .. :) :)
      2. zenion
        zenion 21 November 2018 22: 38
        +2
        You should know and of course have plans for all occasions. Tell me what needs to be done so that the country is preserved and the people are fine. Create a batch and start composing a program. You can do it all, you just need to convince him.
      3. NordUral
        NordUral 22 November 2018 10: 06
        0
        Titsen! The middle was under Brezhnev, but it was precisely the time of his reign that became decisive in the decay of the elite, which after him killed the Union. Only the selfish interests of his successors who want to seize public property, and not a fictitious economic impasse, is the reason for the present.
      4. Campanella
        Campanella 22 November 2018 20: 45
        0
        With Stalin, of course, because he was the bearer of the ideas of a just society.
        As for the victims, did anyone find out what the cost of democracy in Russia was: wars, criminal revelry, cemeteries clogged by young people, millions of destitute. Is this your middle ground? Do you not see how Western mongrel seized Russia and tear it to pieces?
      5. Alber
        Alber 24 November 2018 20: 32
        0
        Quote: Titsen
        Or maybe there is still a wise middle ground that you need to follow ?.

        Stalin is truly the greatest genius!
        Clever
    2. Basil50
      Basil50 21 November 2018 07: 28
      +11
      Until now, the claims against Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin only that he dared to demand an answer for the crimes and outright fraud.
      Today, elitism and non-jurisdiction are being introduced for those who have managed to duck to power and for their family members.
      Something reminiscent of crime, as with full knowledge of the subject shown on TV. There are * legal thieves * and those who are obliged by their word to do anything.
      For liberals, Khrushchev became a * darling * for the fact that he freed them from responsibility. It got to the point that the KGB was also rebuilt from protecting the interests of the SOVIET UNION to protecting the Council of Ministers and those who propped up power.
    3. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 07: 39
      -18
      Good morning! And the article is really about nothing. The author writes delightful stories about terrible, terrible white terrorists, but at the same time he “forgets” to indicate that all these monstrous plans belong to the pen of a single person. Agent OGPU Opperput-Staunits. By writing such opuses, this gentleman sought to gain confidence in General Kutepov. However, this did not particularly help him, Kutepov fought with the Bolsheviks, and not with the people. Agree that this information fundamentally changes the look at the quotes given by the author. And such silence does not do him honor. In general, it seems to me, for the sake of justifying the criminal repressions of the 30s, this person is ready to go for any forgery and fiction. I would not be surprised if an article appears tomorrow, in which the author will justify the repression by the presence of Martian agents in the service of the sinister CIA.
      1. fighter angel
        fighter angel 21 November 2018 10: 00
        +5
        And you, Lieutenant Teterin, good morning, if it is good!
        The article is very about what!
        And specifically, it is about how some ki from the former White Guards, who before that had served in the RIA, were going to embark on the path of open unjustified terror against the country, of which they were until some point citizens.
        An article about how deceitful, hypocritical, disgusting, bastard was all this former "blue blood elite" !!! How quickly she slipped and sank to terror against ordinary citizens, Russians just like themselves! It was good to talk about the fate of the fatherland, crunching with Hranian rolls, sitting on their estates, where hundreds of serfs bent their backs on them, and when the "white acacia flowers of emigration" turned out to be, all the high morals aside and started talking about terrorism! They are scoundrels, and there are no other words! And they got it right. It's not a pity never! Give them free rein, would divide and sell the whole country. One is the leader of the South of Russia, the other is the governor of Siberia ... How wonderful that all of them were crushed by the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army!
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 10: 13
          -9
          Quote: fighter angel
          And specifically, it is about how some ki from the former White Guards, who before that had served in the RIA, were going to embark on the path of open unjustified terror against the country, of which they were until some point citizens.

          You still do not understand. The White Guards just rejected the path of terror. The man who offered the attacks was an agent of the OGPU - an employee of the Soviet intelligence service. He believed that such plans would inspire confidence among the leaders of the white emigration, but he miscalculated. The whites were warriors, not terrorists.
          Quote: fighter angel
          Give them free-would be divided and sold the whole country. One is the leader of the South of Russia, the other is the governor of Siberia ...

          And this is not true. The white slogan was "for a united, indivisible Russia." The Whites never recognized the independence of the Limitrophes that arose during the years of the Civil War.
          1. fighter angel
            fighter angel 21 November 2018 10: 45
            +14
            "Whites were warriors, not terrorists."
            I’m afraid to disappoint you, lieutenant, but in the ranks of the whites there were frank butchers and sadists who stained themselves with blood and crimes. What do you say about Shkuro, Sultan Girey-Klych, Krasnov, Bulakh-Bulakhovich? This is so offhand to you, without digging deeply ... Killers, gallows, shooters, not only of the Reds, but also of the civilian population. And then they created the EMRO. Have you ever been in the Volgograd Museum of Defense Tsaritsyn? I strongly recommend that you visit on occasion, you will see with your own eyes documented evidence of terror and the atrocities of the unbridled White Guard.
            Too you idealize the white movement.
            They could have many slogans.
            And the facts are stubborn things and speak otherwise.
            Kolchak had the intention to create the Siberian Republic? Yes! It is a fact. Sovereign, independent from the rest of Russia. With the help and support of "abroad". And become its supreme ruler.
            What kind of preservation of the country, what kind of "united and indivisible Russia" are you talking about?
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 10: 56
              -14
              Quote: fighter angel
              What do you say about Shkuro, Sultan Girey-Klych, Krasnov, Bulakh-Bulakhovich?

              During the years of the Great Patriotic War, these people executed red executioners and agitators, on whose conscience there were hundreds and thousands of innocently tortured people. Reprisals against civilians are a characteristic feature of the Reds. The population of the Cossacks Shkuro met with joy.
              An eyewitness to those events, a certain Z. Arbatov, wrote: "By lunchtime the news of the arrival of General Shkuro spread and the streets were filled with a crowd. Seeing the young general walking in front of the endless line of horse troops, people forgot the sadness of the previous night when the pogroms were going on. new hopes gripped those who had suffered. The general was thrown with flowers, young and old women, crossing themselves and weeping, kissed the stirrups of the one who had brought them liberation.

              The executioners are not met with flowers ...
              Quote: fighter angel
              Kolchak had the intention to create the Siberian Republic? Yes! It is a fact. Sovereign, independent from the rest of Russia. With the help and support of "abroad". And become its supreme ruler.

              Sheer nonsense, moreover, without a single documentary confirmation. These are stories from the series "Hitler hid in Argentina".
              1. fighter angel
                fighter angel 21 November 2018 11: 11
                +8
                Well, Lieutenant, you don’t hear and don’t want to hear anything.
                Your difficulties.
                As for such joyful meetings, so the Nazis in the 41st here and there bread and salt
                met ... One of yours this Arbatov and several people with him is not an indicator.
                Would you read about the criminal cases instituted by the Soviet government on this bastard Shkuro.
                About mass executions and killings. With testimonies of witnesses, facts and documents. If you wish, it is quite possible to find and get acquainted on the open spaces of I-net.
                But you don’t want to perceive it, right?
                White Guard is your ideal.
                Here you are, as they say: "At least write in the eyes, everything will be God's dew." Sorry.
                I do not consider it more necessary to continue communication.
                1. Lieutenant Teterin
                  Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 11: 17
                  -9
                  Quote: fighter angel
                  Well, Lieutenant, you don’t hear and don’t want to hear anything.
                  Your difficulties.

                  I can say the same about you.
                  Quote: fighter angel
                  As for such joyful meetings, so the Nazis in the 41st here and there bread and salt
                  met ...

                  In some places they met the Nazis, but the Russian, white warriors were met by the people of Russia everywhere.
                  Quote: fighter angel
                  Would you read about the criminal cases instituted by the Soviet government on this bastard Shkuro.

                  You can’t tell me about the criminal cases brought up by this criminal authority. 100% of the scoundrels and Polish spies who created lawlessness were recruited, and Korolev and Rokossovsky turned out to be foreign agents.
                  Quote: fighter angel
                  About mass executions and killings. With testimonies of witnesses, facts and documents. If you wish, it is quite possible to find and get acquainted on the open spaces of I-net.

                  Already familiarized, my dear, already. About how people were tortured in the Kharkov Cheka. As did the women in the Solovetsky camp. As the Queen was interrogated. And believe me, in comparison with these acts, Shkuro’s actions are nothing more than children's amusements.
                  1. Campanella
                    Campanella 22 November 2018 21: 19
                    +1
                    That's how your White Guards amused themselves. Read the lieutenant.
                    I would like to note your lack of logic, moreover, complete.

                    “The entire population without exception ran with the whites, abandoned houses, livestock, property and fled wherever they look. The White Guards intimidated the population that the Reds slaughtered everyone and everything, but it turned out the other way around: for 2 months of their stay, they stabbed out 2000 women and children in Votkinsk, even women were buried for being wives of the Red Army. Aren't they murderers. And the majority of the Kazan population want to experience the same happiness. So that's how beautifully civilized circles do. Now the inhabitants are returning with different convictions and respect for the Soviet regime, because it is humane even with its enemies ”(Vyatka province, Votkinsk, July 25, 1919).
                    “Now I have seen what the whites are doing in the Vyatka lips [ernia], they left one horse in 30 houses, otherwise they took everything away. Workers were shot, and corpses were burned at the stake. The peasants there pay heavy taxes; they take 1000 rubles from the poor. White stabbed more than 300 people [sheep]., Regardless of the women and children who have a son, the whole family is cut out. Where the Reds were buried, they pulled out, doused with kerosene and burned ”(Vyatka province, Izhevka, July 14, 1919).
                    “In captivity, Denikin creates terrible atrocities. A terrible panic began in the Denikin army, because peasant partisan troops began to organize in the villages. Many Red Army soldiers and employees were shot in Karach ”(Kursk province, Kursk, July 28, 1919).
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 21 November 2018 15: 28
                +6
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                During the years of the Great Patriotic War, these people executed red executioners and agitators, on whose conscience there were hundreds and thousands of innocently tortured people. Reprisals against civilians are a characteristic feature of the Reds. The population of the Cossacks Shkuro met with joy.

                This is nonsense.
                "The deputies of the Constituent Assembly, who did not agree with the Soviet regime, left Petrograd. In a number of regions they created groups of their supporters, which launched a struggle against the workers 'and peasants' government. The Committee was transformed into the Congress of Members of the Constituent Assembly, which met first in Ufa and then in Yekaterinburg, and united about 100 deputies.But already in November 1918 the Minister of War of the Government of the Directory, Admiral Kolchak, carried out a military coup, dissolved the Directory (its leaders were arrested) and the Congress of Members of the Constituent Assembly (they were also arrested).
                Kolchak's order on the arrest of members of the Constituent Assembly, signed on November 30, 1918, instructed all military commanders "to suppress the criminal work of the abovementioned persons in the most decisive manner, without hesitating to use weapons, ... arrest such persons for bringing them to court-martial ...
                The memorandum from the representatives of the Czechoslovak troops stationed in Siberia said: "... the local Russian military authorities allow themselves actions that will horrify the entire civilized world. Burning out villages, beating up civilian Russian citizens by hundreds, executions without trial of representatives of democracy on simple suspicion in political unreliability are commonplace. "
                The unprecedented rampant of repressions that began immediately after Kolchak's accession triggered mass uprisings of workers and peasants in response. In the Omsk suburb of Kulomzino, a workers' uprising broke out on the night of December 22-23, 1918. "
                These are the colors Kolchak met. Https: //legarhan.livejournal.com/3413622.html
                1. Lieutenant Teterin
                  Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 15: 35
                  -9
                  It is interesting that the author of the article in LiveJournal depicting the "horrors of bloody Kolchak" did not say a word about the sources of his information. Symptomatic.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 21 November 2018 16: 02
                    +1
                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    did not say a word about the sources of his information
                    Not a word?
                    arrest such persons in order to bring them to court-martial ... Expose to the same fate the leaders who show the weakness and inaction of the authorities "(" Reader on the history of Russia. 1917-1940 ". M., 1994, pp. 138-139).
                    "Along with the Bolsheviks, the Socialist-Revolutionaries were also shot. That is how the Kan mayor Petrov died tragically. He begged to shoot him, not hang him. Krasilnikov gallantly declared that the general's order said" hang ", not" shoot. "The unfortunate man was publicly hanged. died with the words: "Long live the Constituent Assembly!" An indescribable horror reigned in the prison. Suicides, mass poisoning of hostages began. Rozanov led the pacification in a "Japanese" way. The village seized from the Bolsheviks was plundered, the male population was either ripped out or shot; neither the elderly nor the women were spared. burned. "
                    Rakov D.F. "In the dungeons of Kolchak. Civil war in Siberia. Kolchakovshchina. - Irkutsk: Province, 1991. - S. 18-45."
                    http://scepsis.net/library/id_2812.html
                    I already dug up this letter myself.
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                  3. zenion
                    zenion 21 November 2018 22: 41
                    +3
                    You can ask the Siberians what their opinion is about Kolchak. They will even say those who are in the third or fifth generation from the way Kolchak laughed in Siberia.
                  4. fighter angel
                    fighter angel 22 November 2018 10: 29
                    0
                    Here's more for you, lieutenant, facts about another "worthy great White Guard warrior." Another person writes, here, on VO, I thought it necessary to quote him to you:
                    "Annenkov went down in the history of the civil war as one of the most bloodthirsty white ghouls. Atrocities, robberies, violence - this is the style of the" chieftain. "One of the villages where the peasants rebelled against the power and tyranny of the chieftain, was burned to the ground, in another, all male population including boys. The Annenkovites killed the families of officers from the detachment of General Bakich who was leaving for China from the Bolsheviks. All girls and girls, starting from the age of seven, were first abused, and then hacked to death. Annenkov has suffered a well-deserved punishment. "
              3. Sugar Honeyovich
                Sugar Honeyovich 22 November 2018 14: 30
                +4
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                Reprisals against civilians are a characteristic feature of the Reds. The population of the Cossacks Shkuro met with joy.


                There is evidence besides Z. Arbatov:
                "The Bolsheviks took food, livestock, everything they needed from the peasants, showing in practice what socialism and commune are. And the peasants greeted us as saviors. the Bolsheviks carried out violent requisitions "(AR Trushnovich" Memoirs of a Kornilovite: 1914-1934 ").

                True, as a result of some White Guard actions after the occupation of the area:
                “Two weeks later, these peasants were partisans in our rear.
                Well, it’s good that we didn’t take Moscow, we would have been swept out of there with a broom, ”said Ignatius, a seven-time wounded pioneer who ended his story ...
                - And then what? The peasantry are driving us, the collapse in the rear is in full swing and is already infecting combat units, the Cossacks also do not want to fight. How much evil did the Cossacks Shkuro and Pokrovsky bring to Russia and the White Movement! ” (A.R. Trushnovich)

                “... everywhere, both in Russia and abroad, they shouted about the atrocities of the red check and considered this one of the main trump cards of their propaganda. The population looked, compared and made conclusions. These conclusions, reinforced by our insane robberies, were such that our retreating troops were often fired upon by the inhabitants of the villages we left.
                ... It is not for nothing that the convoys of our units and some lagging groups of people from the departing regiments were subjected to mass extermination by the inhabitants. The hatred of our population in the region of Slavyansk, Izyum and all the way to Rostov was the same as in the Crimea ”(E.I. Dostovalov)
              4. oracul
                oracul 11 February 2019 07: 00
                0
                Please include your mind, if there is one. WHITE lost because they were for the elite, but against the people. The people can make mistakes in particulars, but in the main they are always right. Therefore, he won a brutal war of survival, fighting surrounded by both whites and invaders. Here is the answer to which side is the truth, not depictions, those who were deprived of the "crunch of a French roll", who actually unleashed terror against the common people and received a response. Fascists also lost, including because of their terror, and this is really millions of people in the occupied territories.
          2. Wasiliy1985
            Wasiliy1985 22 November 2018 20: 32
            +1
            Aha, warriors! Kolchak in Siberia showed himself as such a "warrior" - even in open archives, even in local, material - for a series for a horror film. "Warriors" .. Thud him into the swing!
            "Lieutenant Teterin" - stop clinging to "Kommersant", this will not save you from the inevitable development of social relations.
            Socialism is inevitable, unfortunately for many .. But this is not dictated by us, but by the development of society.
          3. Campanella
            Campanella 22 November 2018 20: 59
            0
            Were the whites warriors? They may not have been terrorists, but they were very executioners; they killed both women and children, and not just the Red Army men.
      2. zenion
        zenion 21 November 2018 22: 40
        0
        You did not read. There it is proposed to destroy the Communists, not the people. It can be seen that somewhere on the disc it crashed and stuck, stuck, stuck and so on ...
      3. NordUral
        NordUral 22 November 2018 10: 09
        0
        Lieutenant Teterin! Maybe you’ll take up work, it’s not yet Friday night, how can you spoil any publication you cannot refute?
      4. MrFox
        MrFox 22 November 2018 12: 23
        -2
        All these opuses were composed on the Lubyanka, in the same pile as digging underground tunnels. And now someone really needs to prove that the people were killed correctly
    4. Olgovich
      Olgovich 21 November 2018 07: 58
      -3
      Quote: Olegater
      Do not scold the author, in my opinion he is right.

      explain then this passage:
      internationalist revolutionaries embarked on a joint effort with the global mafia to destroy the Soviet (Russian) project creating a civilization of a future society that aautomatically led to the death of the global parasite. "Fifth Column" sought to destroy the Stalinist USSR

      Who .... "parasite" is that? belay request
      The Fifth Column sought to destroy the Stalinist USSR, to subjugate Russia to world financial, usurious capital. Stalin destroyed such "enemies of the people." They needed to be destroyed in order to preserve the Russian (Soviet) civilization and give the people a chance for a "bright future"

      Yeah, it was destroyed whole the first (October 26, 17) composition of the Council of People's Commissars, fully the first composition of the Politburo of the RSDLPB was shot, 75% of the so-called congress of winners 34 years (all-old Bolsheviks).
      As Western newspapers caustically wrote: that judging by the results of the Moscow trials of 36-38gg, the October coup was carried out by foreign spies, traitors and moral dy. yes
      However, the Trotskyists and other groups of communist-internationalists, although they did not take complete power in Russia, retained serious positions in the USSR. Stalin saw this danger and tried to start the process of selecting the best personnel and stripping from rotten elements.

      As everyone knows, it was the Trotskyists who were born right away with cosmic speed, but the real Bolsheviks disappeared with the same speed. Although, like the bee, the party tried to produce exactly the Bolsheviks recourse
      But the Trotskyists rudely ... offended the real defenseless Bolsheviks and ousted them.
      For a long time I propose to establish a day of remembrance of the political repressions of the real Bolsheviks by the Trotskyists ..
      And one more thing: they destroyed not "enemies of the people", but PEOPLE. People in the overwhelming majority Justified by the Court of the USSR
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 21 November 2018 08: 43
        -5
        - "And remember, Sharapov - there is no punishment without guilt!"
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 09: 11
          +4
          Unfortunately, this only happens in movies. In reality, punishment for a non-existent crime is not so rare as a way of dealing with objectionable ones.
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 21 November 2018 09: 36
          0
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          "And remember, Sharapov - there is no punishment without guilt!"

          You are ready?
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 21 November 2018 09: 38
            -2
            Who are the judges?
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 21 November 2018 10: 08
              0
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              Who are the judges?

              from the 37th. ready?
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 21 November 2018 11: 10
                0
                Ready! And at 18, they set the counter!
                1. Lieutenant Teterin
                  Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 11: 18
                  -3
                  Quote: Uncle Lee
                  Ready! And at 18, they set the counter!

                  Congratulations! You have just been shot as an English-Japanese-Finnish spy and a member of the fascist-Trotsky gang!
                  1. Uncle lee
                    Uncle lee 21 November 2018 11: 32
                    +1
                    How did you get into a special three?
                  2. ruigat
                    ruigat 21 November 2018 13: 23
                    +4
                    Well, then you, the pseudo lieutenant Teterin, would have been hanged like Krasnov in this case, or would have been allowed to swim under the ice like Kolchak and your other idol-colored idols.
                    1. Lieutenant Teterin
                      Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 13: 36
                      -4
                      Your emotional reactions are satisfied. hi
                      1. ruigat
                        ruigat 21 November 2018 13: 42
                        +1
                        It's good. The main thing is that you also be satisfied when your neck loop is tightened, and then I guarantee you my emotional reaction.
                      2. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 21 November 2018 14: 02
                        +3
                        Quote: ruigat
                        It's good. The main thing is that you also be satisfied when your neck loop is tightened, and then I guarantee you my emotional reaction

                        interestingly, about a BULLET in the back of the head from his party comrades. like your idols in 1935-54, for some reason yours do not think at all ...
                        But these idols, too, "caught" the unexpected: someone. but not yehuda. Yezhov. beria and other winged wings.
                        en-flown! yes
                      3. ruigat
                        ruigat 21 November 2018 19: 18
                        -2
                        interestingly, about a BULLET in the back of the head from his party comrades. as your idols in 1935-54, for some reason yours do not think at all ..

                        Bullets in the back of the head from comrades begin to arrive when the main enemies (Bulkokhrusty, Neovlasovites, adherents of the KhPP and the slaves of the FRS owners) are destroyed and a showdown begins between OWN. So your likelihood of living up to such a "glorious" moment is not great.
                      4. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 22 November 2018 06: 46
                        +2
                        Quote: ruigat
                        Bullets in the back of the head from comrades begin to arrive when the main enemies (Bulkokhrusty, Neovlasovites, adherents of the KhPP and the slaves of the FRS owners) are destroyed and a showdown begins between OWN. So your likelihood of living up to such a "glorious" moment is not great.

                        Well what are you, my friend! lol
                        "HPP adherents and slaves" are alive and well, and from your Apfelbaums, Rosenbergs, and other dybenks, only the "comradely" bullet that has calmed them down remains.
                      5. Beringovsky
                        Beringovsky 22 November 2018 16: 12
                        -1
                        Olgovich
                        "HPP adherents and slaves" - live and well

                        So it's not over yet ... how many of them died in the 90s as a "death of the brave" on the battlefields for private property (their own, of course)
                        And how many more will be
                        It's just that in some conditions, the "comrade Mauser" becomes an instrument of mass terror and inter-elite squabbles, while in others an iron, a soldering iron and a Kalash.
                        Fallen in the second case are not going to take into account?
                      6. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 23 November 2018 08: 54
                        -1
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        So it's not evening yet

                        oh, how scary! lol
                        Like an old shabby tiger with fallen teeth: it seems to him that he growls and is scary. and he is hoarse and ridiculous.
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                      8. Detective
                        Detective 21 November 2018 16: 01
                        +3
                        Quote: ruigat
                        Well, then you, the pseudo lieutenant Teterin, would have been hanged like Krasnov in this case, or would have been allowed to swim under the ice like Kolchak and your other idol-colored idols.

                        Quote: ruigat
                        It's good. The main thing is that you also be satisfied when your neck loop is tightened, and then I guarantee you my emotional reaction.

                        Nuuuuuuuuuu, how beautiful it is! Are you going to hang up ?! Really ?! Familiar with this craft? The pens are short for you. Well, I want to ask the site administration a question - is this normal ?! You do not want to pay attention to this? This is not trolling or flooding that can be interpreted as desired. This is a direct threat. My question, of course, can be considered completely rhetorical. I do not need an answer from you. Just pay attention to these ugly facts of normal people present here!
                      9. ruigat
                        ruigat 21 November 2018 19: 12
                        0
                        Well, I want to ask the site administration a question - is this normal ?! You do not want to pay attention to this? This is not trolling or flooding that can be interpreted as desired. This is a direct threat.

                        Something painfully tender went bulkkhrust. It is now we are bludgeoning each other at the forum, and when, thanks to the "wise" policy of the Russian oligarchy, the 2nd Civil War begins, we will start doing this with each other that the events in Ukraine will seem like offenses in the nursery group of the kindergarten.
                      10. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 21 November 2018 21: 37
                        0
                        Do not worry - not a civil one, but even in the long run it is not expected, and if someone starts to stir up something, the Russian Guard and the FSB will very quickly deal with them.
                      11. ruigat
                        ruigat 22 November 2018 04: 51
                        0
                        and if someone starts to stir up something, the Russian Guard and the FSB will deal with them very quickly.

                        In 1917, Nikolai No. 2 and other bull-crystal idols also thought that the secret police, the Cossacks and the guards would be their reliable support and ensure their safety, but a broken piece came out. The FSB is not only a race on Geleki, it is also a mass of people who work on the periphery, but they are clearly not delighted with the "wise" decisions of the Russian oligarchy.
                      12. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 22 November 2018 11: 15
                        -2
                        Nikolai the second didn’t have any kind of security structure for the integrity of the state - ours are nothing to compare with.
                      13. Sugar Honeyovich
                        Sugar Honeyovich 22 November 2018 13: 19
                        0
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        if someone starts to stir up something, the Russian Guard and the FSB will deal with them very quickly.

                        Unless they go over to their side. Or do not start to stir up the first ...
                      14. Halado Romane
                        Halado Romane 21 November 2018 19: 13
                        0
                        Igor, Poruchik, Olgovich, they’re just furious about the truth that you tell them here! They understand that you are really right. They would stir up the water, again destroy the state ... But this is troublesome! Are you going to hang up? Well ... Take care of your health. In general, think more about yourself, otherwise your troubles about people will bring only troubles!
                      15. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 22 November 2018 07: 40
                        +1
                        Quote: Halado romane
                        and then from your thoughts about the people only trouble!

                        And NOBODY asked them to think ...
                      16. Beringovsky
                        Beringovsky 22 November 2018 17: 48
                        -1
                        On the contrary, they urge not to think in full (from all the country's TV screens)
                      17. Sergej1972
                        Sergej1972 21 November 2018 23: 07
                        +3
                        I fully join your opinion!
                      18. Detective
                        Detective 22 November 2018 07: 45
                        +2
                        Here you go! fellow And Sergey is with us!
                2. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 21 November 2018 11: 39
                  +4
                  Quote: Uncle Lee
                  Ready! And at 18, they set the counter!

                  Uncle lee- Does it ever occur to a normal Soviet person in 1937 to call himself ... an American nickname?

                  Won people's commissar Dybenko screamed that he did not even know the American language and, de, could not be a spy. A-spanked exposed vrazhin.
                  And you even flaunted.
                  Dybenko had less wine yes
                  1. Uncle lee
                    Uncle lee 21 November 2018 11: 44
                    -4
                    Guys ! You froze in 1917 ... Wake up! In Russia, capitalism is again. True, there is no king ... Until ....
                    PS My nickname was created in 1965, in Bursa.
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 21 November 2018 12: 45
                      +1
                      Quote: Uncle Lee
                      Guys ! You froze in 1917 ... Wake up! In Russia, capitalism is again. True, there is no king ... Until ....
                      PS My nickname was created in 1965, in Bursa

                      we are about 37m. in which your Uncle Lee would be punished without talking.
                      1. Uncle lee
                        Uncle lee 21 November 2018 12: 54
                        -1
                        I have nothing to tell you ... But you did not answer my question, about the troika.
                      2. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 21 November 2018 14: 04
                        0
                        Quote: Uncle Lee

                        I have nothing to tell you ...

                        understandably, Dybenko had less wine.
                        Quote: Uncle Lee
                        And you did not answer my question, about the three.

                        They didn’t ask. request
                      3. Uncle lee
                        Uncle lee 21 November 2018 14: 13
                        0
                        I can express my attitude with one smiley: crying
                      4. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 22 November 2018 06: 55
                        +2
                        Quote: Uncle Lee
                        I can express my attitude with one smiley:

                        there is an answer: yes
                      5. Uncle lee
                        Uncle lee 22 November 2018 07: 25
                        -2
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        we are about 37m

                        No ! As a counter in 1917, revolutionary sailors plopped!
      2. Mcar
        Mcar 21 November 2018 08: 47
        -8
        Quote: Olgovich
        Who .... "parasite"what?



        Parasite (trans.) - a person living on other people's funds, at the expense of other people's labor, parasite (social parasite).

        A parasitic way of life in the animal world is a blessing for wildlife, as parasites are a kind of orderlies in nature, destroying the weak and inferior representatives of the animal world and thereby regulating natural selection and improving the genetics of all species (strong and productive survive). In this way, genetic material is improved from generation to generation.

        Social parasites do the opposite - they destroy the strong, developed people, the color of the nation, and leave the weak (in the spiritual sense) underdeveloped people who are easy to manage and enslave without problems. Thus, genetic material from generation to generation is deteriorating.

        As applied to the social life of people, parasitism leads to destruction, the impoverishment of a large mass of people, the emergence of classes of rich and poor, to lack of spirituality, to wars, to general chaos, and ultimately to the destruction of humanity.

        The essence of the parasitic lifestyle is that the parasites do not want to work and have come up with a lot of ways how to get everything from life without special worries and troubles, and everything in their understanding is wealth and power. With the help of these levers, they become masters of humanity. The disobedient can be destroyed, start a war, create artificial hunger, set one people against another, etc. Social parasites have learned to disguise themselves very well and it can be very difficult to distinguish between them. They can speak the right words, call for good and for love, show compassion for individuals or even nations, but their essence can be recognized by their deeds.

        Talk about global parasitism this is not the place. But you can give a hint, and there you’ll figure it out yourself if there is a desire.

        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 21 November 2018 10: 12
          -4
          Quote: McAr
          Parasite (trans.) - a person living on other people's funds, at the expense of other people's labor, parasite (social parasite).

          A parasitic lifestyle in the animal world is a boon to wildlife

          belay lol
          ONCE AGAIN: by the author:
          internationalist revolutionaries embarked on a joint effort with the global mafia to destroy Soviet (Russian) project that automatically led to doom global parasite

          Destroyed project, which led to the death .... parasite. belay request yes
          1. Mcar
            Mcar 21 November 2018 10: 35
            -10
            Quote: Olgovich
            Destroyed the project, which led to the death of .... the parasite.

            Let's forgive the author for some inaccuracy and errors in punctuation.

            internationalist revolutionaries embarked on the path of joint efforts with the global mafia to destroy the Soviet (Russian) project to create a civilization of the future society, which automatically led to the death of the global parasite.

            "internationalist revolutionaries embarked on a collaborative effort with the global mafiher to destroy the Soviet (Russian) project - creating a civilization of the society of the future, which automatically led to the death of the global parasite."
            I added a dash and fixed the case.
            1. A certain project was under construction - the creation of a civilization of the society of the future
            2. The global mafia wanted to destroy this project.
            3. The internationalist revolutionaries joined the global mafia.
            4. Both those and others understood that if the project takes place, this will lead to the death of the global parasite.
            Is it clearer now?
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 21 November 2018 10: 55
              -4
              Quote: McAr
              Is it clearer now?

              now funnier. lol
              1. Mcar
                Mcar 21 November 2018 11: 37
                -9
                Quote: Olgovich
                now funnier

                And I thought "thank you" say ... What a goof!

                Is it even funnier?
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 21 November 2018 12: 48
                  -2
                  Quote: McAr
                  And I thought "thank you" ...

                  for what?!
                  Quote: McAr
                  Well, goof!

                  Bravo! good
                  Quote: McAr
                  Is it even funnier?

                  and you laugh from that? belay lol
      3. NordUral
        NordUral 22 November 2018 10: 11
        0
        Enough of noodles hanging on our ears, Olgovich. Empty is the thing. The people come to their senses, albeit slowly.
      4. naidas
        naidas 22 November 2018 15: 02
        +1
        1.Olgovich read the article, the author defines the parasite:
        One of the most important problems of Russian civilization is the rapid degeneration of the elite, which quickly forgets about civilizational, national problems and solves personal, group and corporate ones to the detriment of civilization, country and people. The tops quickly gain property, property, connections, fall away from the task of creation and development, quickly turn into social parasites that live only for themselves, and turn the country and people into food, “cannon fodder”.
        2. Your Western newspapers, just like you don’t know history. Did you keep silent, did the revolutionaries destroy the revolutionaries in the French Revolution, in your WFR carried out foreign spies, traitors and moral?
        3. The revival of the revolutionaries has not been canceled.
        But it’s interesting if, as VO writes on December 23, 2016 about “repressed“ Vlasovites ”. According to scientists, they became victims of the Stalinist terror and need rehabilitation. Yes, and for some reason they note Stalinist repressions, and the loss of people in the 90s is somehow silent, and in the 90s they lost more than in all of Stalin's time.
        and the same story, Ivan the Terrible killed a lot, but in comparison with the Europeans can not be compared, so Stalin in comparison with Roosevelt.
    5. Detective
      Detective 21 November 2018 15: 54
      -2
      How so?!?! Is it a popular revolution? But from the prison of nations they have made their way into a bright future one way or another ?! And what happens ?! To my deepest surprise, in a previous article, Samsonov himself wrote that the faithful Leninists actually revolutionized and arranged Trotskyists and Bolsheviks internationalists are mercenaries of world imperialism trying to destroy Russia !!! Maybe I accidentally wrote? No, here in this article about the same! Now it turns out that a significant part of the Soviet elite played a double game and there were also mercenaries from the west, but in fact traitors !!! So who, on whose instructions and on whose money did the October coup take place ?!!?! No, I don’t jerk and argue about this with Samsonov, I have no opportunity and desire, because he is in this, oddly enough, absolutely right! Well, the author lives in his reality. He talks about some Bolsheviks of the Russian Communists of the Soviet - Russian Communist elite ... I understand him purely in human terms. A person is mistaken, one wants to believe him ... But one does not have to live in these illusions, and all right, he would have lived himself so trying to convince people! Kaaaaakaya Russian elite if all of this was entirely ethnic Jews writing in the column nationality communist or Bolshevik !!! They, with the Latvians, simply crushed others in the Camp Administration and in all punitive structures! Why Zhukova Samsonov leads, as a representative of the Soviet elite is generally not clear because Stalin could only find a place for the Marshal of Victory only in Odessa ... Well, it’s nothing else, even if it’s warm! So, what exactly is it, dear comrades? The revolution was made by traitors, mercenaries and entirely enemies among whom, by some miracle, the genius of the Russian liberating thought Stalin! For a short period of time he put things in order, and then he was eliminated by other enemies of the people and traitors and began to rule ... Until in 1991 the country was destroyed! So? I am pleased to read your comments. In general, it’s amazing - the red idea is completely not Russian, it was also completely not Russian that came to life, the light of the Russian bright future was, to put it mildly, Georgian and?!?! And that’s all!
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 22 November 2018 00: 25
        +2
        "The revolution was made by traitors, hirelings and entirely enemies, among whom, by some miracle, the genius of the Russian liberation thought, Stalin, got in the way! For a short period of time he put things in order, and then other enemies of the people and traitors eliminated him and began to rule" ...

        Samsonov’s contradictory and even absurd line was very accurately expressed. laughing
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 22 November 2018 10: 17
          -1
          Lyoshenka, you’re better at sorting it out with Lieberman.
      2. Mcar
        Mcar 22 November 2018 20: 04
        -7
        Quote: Detective
        So, what exactly is it, dear comrades? The revolution was made by traitors, mercenaries and entirely enemies among whom, by some miracle, the genius of the Russian liberating thought Stalin!

        Why are you so surprised? What - just so couldn’t be at all?

        I believe that Russia was very lucky with Stalin. And I'm not talking about mustache or nationality. Do not be it is still unknown how everything would turn out.

        And then, the revolution was ripening in Ingushetia long before 1917. Since 1905, the landowners' estates burned like matches. I cannot imagine that this is the work of "traitors, hirelings", and the peasants wanted to continue "the continuation of the banquet."
    6. Arkady Gaidar
      Arkady Gaidar 22 November 2018 17: 33
      -1
      But in my opinion, the author is wrong. And something I do not understand the author. Prominent communist and grave digger of the USSR Yakovlev is a traitor. And who did this traitor learn from, can you tell? Is it not on the ideas of the traitors of the Motherland from the first Soviet Communists that the same Yakovlev grew up? It was already written that from the point of view of legal science, Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev and the rest of the communists of the first wave are traitors to the motherland, traitors who destroyed their state. And why is there such a double morality that Yakovlev’s renegade and its denigration of the CPSU is betrayal and an ugly deed, and the same actions of the first communists, who also denigrated everything that existed before them, is it normal? Where does the author have such a double-heartedness, let me ask?))
      Now, about the prominent leaders of the Communist Party, they have conspired with "international capital". Let me remind you that most people dream of happiness. And, as you know, earthly happiness is inextricably linked with material wealth. And this will be all the more true when people do not believe in God or in devil. Power gives opportunities, and money allows you to improve your life. I do not understand what this author and those like him are, see an error here ?! Those people simply saw the forms of happiness available to them and went to them, that's all.
      And it turns out that white emigrants are called terrorists, and the Bolsheviks, who were engaged in approximately the same thing, are not considered as such. I want to remind you that there was a war on ideological foundations, and in the war, as you know, all means are good.
      And at least from one significant communitism, I would like to hear when this duplicity and duplicity from the side of the communist movements ceases? When will they begin to call all traitors and traitors, and all terrorists - terrorists? Otherwise, how do you believe them when they call black black white ?!
  2. Olegater
    Olegater 21 November 2018 05: 47
    +5
    I wanted to add, these imperious, sold out: "macroscopes", the head of Karelia noted excellently, "there is no money, but you are holding on", "they did not ask you to give birth", the senator from Bryansk praised those who live on 3000 a month or something like that!
    Kuchnenko it went like that! And the most interesting thing is that the most ardent "terrorists" of that time visited us!
  3. Mcar
    Mcar 21 November 2018 05: 54
    -5
    The article is literally the answer to one citizen constantly asking whether the people got to the Soviet power. If only I read, otherwise it will continue to ignore ignorance.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 21 November 2018 09: 46
      -5
      Quote: McAr
      The article is literally the answer to one citizen constantly asking whether the people got to the Soviet power. If only I read, otherwise it will continue to ignore ignorance.

      There is NO answer to the simplest question.
      And the question is simple: did the Bolsheviks get hit by the worst people, since they had to shoot so many hundreds of thousands and exile millions? No capitalist capitalists have done this with their "oppressed" workers. Nobody!
      1. chenia
        chenia 21 November 2018 11: 00
        +5
        Quote: Olgovich
        No capitalist capitalists have done such a thing with their "oppressed" workers. Nobody!


        Ukraine. 1991 - 52 million people, and before that for three decades (60-90) the population grew 2,2 million / 10 years.

        Now, officially, 45 million (this is with the Crimea and the Donbass), as well as a little over 30 million (they are afraid to conduct the census).

        Remain the bloodthirsty USSR in Ukraine was under 60 million, and almost two less. Even officially, 15 million evaporated. And no need for those who departed for the hill (they are counted as citizens).

        In 1934 (after the famine) in Ukraine, the population began to increase.

        So, imperceptibly the capitalists- xpolotators tried, let alone about an efficient economy. I don’t stutter (the last in Europe). Have you been?

        That is what the NKVD troops mean.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 21 November 2018 11: 44
          -7
          Quote: chenia
          Ukraine. 1991 - 52 million people, and before that for three decades (60-90) the population grew 2,2 million / 10 years.

          Now, officially, 45 million (this is with the Crimea and the Donbass), as well as a little over 30 million (they are afraid to conduct the census).

          Remain the bloodthirsty USSR in Ukraine was under 60 million, and almost two less. Even officially, 15 million evaporated. And no need for those who departed for the hill (they are counted as citizens).

          In 1934 (after the famine) in Ukraine, the population began to increase.

          So, imperceptibly, the capitalist capitalists tried, let alone about an efficient economy. I don’t stutter (the last in Europe). Have you been?

          That is what the NKVD troops mean.

          Nowhere in the West did ksplatist capitalists NOT execute hundreds of thousands of unfortunate exploited people in one year (8.37-8.38), exiled millions and dispossessed millions. Nowhere!
          What's not clear?
          1. Rakti-kali
            Rakti-kali 21 November 2018 13: 27
            +1
            Quote: Olgovich
            Nowhere in the West did ksplatist capitalists NOT execute hundreds of thousands of unfortunate exploited people in one year (8.37-8.38), exiled millions and dispossessed millions. Nowhere!

            Yeah, they also had colonies for this, so when by the end of the 19th century they were completely over, they shot and dispossessed them mainly in Asia and Africa. Although ... how many were there during the Great Depression in America through labor camps (conditions in which were such that Soviet convicts in Siberia could consider themselves holiday-makers)? How many survived? There, if I am not mistaken, the demographic data for a couple of especially "funny" years is still classified. And how many Americans simply died of hunger while the seized capitalists burned grain in elevators and soaked oranges in kerosene. And there were also hundreds of thousands of Indians, driven into reservations, in which the Yankees also managed to arrange genocide with millions of victims, as soon as the need to expand the arable lands and pastures of wealthy agro-industrialists to lands originally allocated for reservations appeared. And then there were hundreds of thousands of US citizens of Japanese descent thrown into concentration camps just because they РјРѕРіР »Ryo (not already cooperated, but only could!) cooperate with Japanese intelligence.
            So you got into a puddle with your: "NOWHERE", citizen.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 21 November 2018 14: 08
              -6
              Quote: Rakti-Kali
              Yeah, they also had colonies for this, so when by the end of the 19th century they completely ended theirs, they shot and dispossessed mainly in Asia and Africa

              Those. Nowhere in the West was this.
              Quote: Rakti-Kali
              Although ... how many were there during the Great Depression in America through labor camps (conditions in which were such that Soviet convicts in Siberia could consider themselves holiday-makers)? How many survived? There, if I'm not mistaken, the demographic data for a couple of especially "funny" years is still classified.

              Lying.
              Quote: Rakti-Kali
              . And how many Americans simply starved to death while the seized capitalists burnt grain with elevators and soaked oranges in kerosene. And there were also hundreds of thousands of Indians driven into the reservation, in which the Yankees also managed to organize genocide with millions of victims, as soon as the need arose to expand the arable land and pastures of wealthy agro-industrialists to the lands originally allocated for reservations. And there were also hundreds of thousands of US citizens of Japanese descent thrown into concentration camps only because they could (not already cooperated, but only could!) Cooperate with Japanese intelligence.

              Once again: present RASTREL hundreds of thousands during the year as in 37-38 and millions of exiled YOUR citizens
              Quote: Rakti-Kali
              So you got into a puddle with your: "NOWHERE", citizen.

              Nowhere, yes.
              1. Rakti-kali
                Rakti-kali 21 November 2018 20: 48
                +1
                Quote: Olgovich
                Those. Nowhere in the West was this.

                Quote: Olgovich
                Lying.

                Congratulations to you, Mr. liar.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 22 November 2018 06: 57
                  -1
                  Quote: Rakti-Kali
                  Congratulations to you, Mr. liar.

                  So develop FACTS a lie, and not an empty CHATTER about hidden ... State Department lol (at least find out what it is) demographics lol
              2. Rakti-kali
                Rakti-kali 21 November 2018 21: 07
                0
                Quote: Olgovich
                Those. Nowhere in the West was this.

                "... In any case, today we can only talk about rough estimates of the scale of the white terror in Spain, including due to the fact that executions were often carried out" informally ", people simply" disappeared ", there was a practice shootings "while trying to escape", which is often mentioned in eyewitness accounts of those events (Collier 1987: 161; MacMaster 1990: 205; Mintz 1982: 295; Renshaw 2011: 22). According to data, during the war itself, about 150-200 thousand people could become victims of the white terror, and at least 50 thousand after its end, possibly up to 190-200 thousand. That is, in total from 200 to 400 thousand people were executed by nationalists for political reasons (12).

                It is also worth noting that, according to the Italian diplomat Galeazzo Ciano, in the summer of 1939, up to 200-250 people were shot daily. in Madrid, up to 150 in Barcelona and 80 in Seville (Thomas 2012).

                In 1947, after a major strike (13) in the Basque Country, the Franco regime adopted the Law on Combating Banditry and Terrorism, which provided for the death penalty, including for membership or even for suspicion of membership in illegal organizations (ATUC: 292/946/35/64).

                To all this, it is worth adding the statement of the modern Spanish historian Miguel Amoros that the number of deaths for various reasons in Franco camps is approximately equal to the number of those executed after the war (Amorós 2009: 331), as well as the story of the abduction from the families of “Republicans” after being established in the country dictatorships from 30 to 300 thousand children (Adler; Esteso Poves; Josephson 2013).
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 22 November 2018 07: 01
                  -3
                  Quote: Rakti-Kali
                  In any case, today we can only talk about rough estimates of the scale of white terror in Spain, including due to the fact that executions were often carried out “informally”, people simply “disappeared”

                  documents on the table, not chatter!
          2. ruigat
            ruigat 21 November 2018 13: 33
            +4
            Yeah, what happened to the millions of citizens of the SSM in 1929-1935 during the Great Depression? According to the archives of the State Department, they simply disappeared. And as the Indians evaporated in the course of the "Holodomor" arranged by the small-shavens in India, so in general the song. Well, how cute and harmless the French in 1947-1954. did not destroy the Vietnamese, it's just a fairy tale. Against the background of the OCEAN of blood, which was shed by the owners of the FRS and their slaves, the blood shed by Stalin and the Bolsheviks is a shallow pool.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 21 November 2018 14: 10
              -6
              Quote: ruigat

              Yeah, and where did millions of SSM citizens go in 1929-1935 during the Great Depression? The archives of the State Department simply evaporated

              Lying.
              Quote: ruigat
              And as the Indians evaporated in the course of the "Holodomor" arranged by the small-shavens in India, so in general the song.

              under 33, like a moon
              Quote: ruigat
              But how cute and harmless the French in 1947-1954. they didn’t destroy the Vietnamese, it’s just a fairy tale.

              how many hundreds of thousands of frenchmen were shot in franzmm?
              1. ruigat
                ruigat 21 November 2018 19: 30
                +4
                Lying.

                Whose cow would moo.
                under 33, like a moon

                Yeah, it means the Moon at your doorstep begins.
                how many hundreds of thousands of frenchmen were shot in franzmm?

                During the French Revolution, 300 thousand, and maybe more. By the way, the territory of Vietnam and its inhabitants in 1947 were considered French.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 22 November 2018 07: 04
                  -1
                  Quote: ruigat
                  During the French Revolution, 300 thousand, and maybe more.

                  ONCE AGAIN: when in France over 37 thousand people were shot for a year (Aug38-Aug600 and exiled MILLIONS?
                  CENTURY — don’t forget, by the way.
                  Quote: ruigat
                  By the way, the territory of Vietnam and its inhabitants in 1947 were considered French.

                  Fought there. not shot at the back of the head
              2. Rakti-kali
                Rakti-kali 21 November 2018 21: 43
                +1
                Quote: Olgovich
                under 33, like a moon

                Well, yes, from 4 to 9 million people who died in 1943 with a population of 60 million actually starving Bengal, while the British continued to export rice, they really look much more significant than from 2 to 7 million people who died in 1932-1933 in the USSR with a population of almost 150 million despite the fact that both food and seed grain were sent to the starving regions.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 22 November 2018 07: 11
                  -1
                  Quote: Rakti-Kali
                  Well, yes, from 4 to 9 million people who died in 1943 with a population of 60 million actually starving Bengal, while the British continued to export rice, they really look much more significant than from 2 to 7 million people who died in 1932-1933 in the USSR with a population of almost 150 million despite the fact that both food and seed grain were sent to the starving regions.

                  In 1943 there was a WORLD WAR, not PEACE 32-33 g. Raznmtsy-do not catch? belay
                  remember, OFFICIALLY everything with food in the USSR was BEAUTIFUL, and the peasants became, in the words of the General Secretary (1933) .... "WELL-BEING PEOPLE."
                  The famine was SECRET. although the world could save, as in 1922, MILLIONS of people.
          3. naidas
            naidas 22 November 2018 15: 33
            +2
            Quote: Olgovich
            ANYWHERE in the West, capitalist plativists did NOT shoot hundreds of thousands of unfortunate exploited people in one year

            It’s interesting how to explain that until 1939. during the terror in the USSR, the number grew with the birth rate falling, and in the same Baltic states approximately at the same level? In 30-40, France had a population decline, England grew by 2 million over ten years (well, not compare with the population growth in a country where Stalin repression).
      2. Mcar
        Mcar 21 November 2018 11: 57
        -6
        Quote: Olgovich
        No capitalist capitalists have done such a thing with their "oppressed" workers. Nobody!

        In the foggy Albion under Henry VIII (1509-1547), 72 thousand peasants were forcibly driven from the land for a vagrancy with a population of 4-5 million people, and under Elizabeth (1558-1603) - over 89 thousand with a population of 6 million people.

        Not for theft, not for murder, not for terrorism, not for treason, not even for smuggling - for vagrancy. This means no registration - go to the gallows.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 21 November 2018 12: 57
          -4
          Quote: McAr
          In the foggy Albion under Henry VIII (1509-1547), 72 thousand peasants were forcibly driven from the land for a vagrancy with a population of 4-5 million people, and under Elizabeth (1558-1603) - over 89 thousand with a population of 6 million people.

          16th century and ....20 century! What are you comparing ?! fool belay lol Beating Herod still remember .... lol not ashamed?
          And again: what year is there in throughout the year executed HUNDREDS THOUSAND
          ?
          And there are feudal lords with their slaves, and here it is - "people's" power with ..... the people.
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 22 November 2018 07: 48
          +3
          Quote: McAr
          for vagrancy.

          Listen, it’s useless to argue with this type. He has only one truth, his own. Everything else is either a lie or it was a long time ago. Or - the scales are not the same.
          1. Mcar
            Mcar 22 November 2018 08: 09
            -9
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Listen, it’s useless to argue with this type. He has only one truth, his own. Everything else is either a lie or it was a long time ago. Or - the scales are not the same.

            I already understood that. )))
            And I don’t argue too much. I deny false statements. After all, silence is also impossible.
      3. NordUral
        NordUral 22 November 2018 10: 18
        0
        So no one, my friend?
  4. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 21 November 2018 06: 11
    -1
    At the same time, Stalin was solving the task of educating and creating a new Soviet (Russian) elite.

    Stalin saw this danger and tried to start the process of selecting the best personnel and stripping from rotten elements.

    It was a cruel selection, corresponding to the task of survival of the Russian (Soviet) civilization.

    The authors of the collapse of the USSR, such as Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevardnadze, Aliyev, are just from these "best" shots that have passed, as the author put it, "tough selection". All who had a hand in the destruction of the USSR joined the party in the 40-50s of the last century, after clearing the party of Trotskyists, deviators, Bukharinites, etc.
    1. Mcar
      Mcar 21 November 2018 07: 36
      -4
      Quote: Puncher
      The authors of the collapse of the USSR, such as Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevardnadze, Aliyev, are just from these "best" shots that have passed, as the author put it, "tough selection". All who had a hand in the destruction of the USSR joined the party in the 40-50s of the last century, after clearing the party of Trotskyists, deviators, Bukharinites, etc.

      What Khrushchev-the initiator of the destruction of the USSR, ignore? Offended yet.

      In the 40s, the party was replenished with a large number of ideologically correct people, but completely illiterate in the political sense. Remember: "In the event of my death, please consider me a communist." And the survivors after the battle were accepted into the Communist Party. Nice people, but zero political literacy. At the same time, the war wiped out the old guard, which could teach young party members.

      In the 50s, a different situation. If earlier the party nomenclature controlled the fear of the victory of the counter-revolution or the arrival of the Germans, which promised death to all communists. Now, after the victory in the Great Patriotic War, the communist began to be profitable and safe. Along with eliminating the threat to the well-being of party officials from the side of the matter, the responsibility of these officials for what they did has also disappeared. To get into the party, into the ranks of controllers, who themselves do not need to do anything, but only lead others, was a cherished dream of a mass of crooks and careerists.

      So the ones you mentioned were simultaneously illiterate in the Marxist sense, and opportunists in the everyday.
      1. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 21 November 2018 07: 50
        +2
        Quote: McAr
        What Khrushchev-the initiator of the destruction of the USSR, ignore?

        Khrushchev, a member of the party since 1918, went through all the purges and checks, Stalin did not doubt his loyalty, because he was not destroyed. What does he have to do with the new party cadres?
        Quote: McAr
        Remember: "In the event of my death, please consider me a communist." And the survivors after the battle were accepted into the Communist Party. Good people,

        Yakovlev is a front-line soldier who joined the party at the front, but he is considered the main grave digger of the USSR, and not the Khrushchev you mentioned.
        Quote: McAr
        So the ones you mentioned were simultaneously illiterate in the Marxist sense, and opportunists in the everyday.

        The opinion about these "comrades" is not even interesting. The author of the article argued that Stalin cleared the party of degenerates and summoned worthy ones into it, but I argue that the so-called "Stalinist call" became the gravedigger of the USSR, which speaks of the failure of this very purge.
        1. Mcar
          Mcar 21 November 2018 08: 02
          -10
          Quote: Puncher
          Khrushchev, a member of the party since 1918, went through all the purges and checks, Stalin did not doubt his loyalty, because he was not destroyed. What does he have to do with the new party cadres?

          It is not related to the new party cadres, it is related to the destruction of the USSR.

          Quote: Puncher
          Yakovlev is a front-line soldier who joined the party at the front, but he is considered the main grave digger of the USSR, and not the Khrushchev you mentioned.

          But who knows what and who counts?
          I understand that the majority of the population learns their own opinion from TV. Be original - try to figure it out yourself.

          Quote: Puncher
          The opinion about these "comrades" is not even interesting. The author of the article claimed that Stalin cleansed the party of geeks and She urged worthy of her, I affirm that the so-called "Stalinist call" became the grave digger of the USSR, which indicates the failure of this very purge.

          Be careful and do not think.

          The article says:
          Stalin saw this danger and tried start the process selection the best frames and stripping from rotten elements.

          Select and call - are these synonyms?

          In addition, he "tried", but did not have time to start the process in full - he was killed.
          1. Hole puncher
            Hole puncher 21 November 2018 10: 27
            0
            Quote: McAr
            The article says:
            Stalin saw this danger and tried to start the process of selecting the best personnel and stripping from rotten elements.

            Select and call - are these synonyms?

            In addition, he "tried", but did not have time to start the process in full - he was killed.

            And how do you think the selection is made? They carry out the call and select the best from the candidates. In the CPSU (b) / CPSU, the best were selected, loyal to the homeland and the party, who had proved their worthiness to become a communist in business.
            With regards to not had time. What is the thesis based on? Purely on your sensation, nothing more. Comrade Stalin took the party seriously and the selection of candidates went according to the established process.
            He was especially sensitive to this after the war. In 1945, there were 1,8 million candidates for the party, but by 1950 the number of Communists had grown by only 1 million. For comparison, in the period from 1937 to 1941 the number of party members increased by 1 million, although there were 1937 thousand candidates for membership in 527. As can be seen from the figures after the war, the requirements have been tightened, which indicates a more thorough selection. And comrade Gorbachev, this selection was successful, and he is not alone. So it was the best Stalinist party members who buried the USSR.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 21 November 2018 11: 02
              0
              Quote: Puncher
              In 1945, there were 1,8 million candidates for the party, but by 1950 the number of Communists had grown by only 1 million. For comparison, in the period from 1937 to 1941 the number of party members increased by 1 million, although there were 1937 thousand candidates for membership in 527. As can be seen from the figures after the war, the requirements are toughened, which indicates a more thorough selection

              interesting moment!
              The Bolsheviks selected the Bolsheviks, but it turned out .... Trotskyists recourse
              1. Hole puncher
                Hole puncher 21 November 2018 11: 34
                +1
                Quote: Olgovich
                interesting moment!
                The Bolsheviks selected the Bolsheviks, but it turned out .... Trotskyists

                All the Communists are completely traitors and enemies of the people, especially those who made the revolution, the very enemies there dug in. The true scale was revealed in 1991, 18,8 million traitors calmly watched the death of the country and appeals to the conscience of a handful of communists trying to save the country. The Stalinist Party is the party of the vile enemies of the people and traitors of the motherland.
              2. Mcar
                Mcar 21 November 2018 11: 35
                -8
                Quote: Olgovich
                interesting moment!
                The Bolsheviks selected the Bolsheviks, but it turned out .... Trotskyists

                What could be interesting there for netroll? The usual story is that the fraudster does not announce that he is going to deceive the victim, on the contrary, he shows with his whole appearance that he is his own and all that.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 21 November 2018 13: 01
                  -1
                  Quote: McAr
                  What could be interesting there for netroll? .

                  selection of candidate members.
                  Quote: McAr
                  The usual story is that the fraudster does not announce that he is going to deceive the victim, on the contrary, he shows with his whole appearance that he is his own and all that.

                  what is this stream of words about? request
            2. Mcar
              Mcar 21 November 2018 11: 31
              -7
              Quote: Puncher
              And comrade Gorbachev, this selection was successful, and he is not alone.

              Well, not all the same their rotten nature is flaunted.

              Quote: Puncher
              So it was the best Stalinist party members who buried the USSR.

              It, of course, for those who hate Russia and the Russian people sounds fun and funny.
              In fact, the USSR was "buried" by those who fiercely hated the socialist system. So, a priori, they could not be communists. Party card and sonorous speeches, like armor, covered their foul essence.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 21 November 2018 13: 14
                -2
                Quote: McAr
                Well, not all the same their rotten nature is flaunted.

                Not all. Of course, the party allocated from millions and put forward the MOST WELCOME! yes Did not know?
                Quote: McAr
                It, of course, for those who hate Russia and the Russian people sounds fun and funny.

                Those who blew up and desecrated the tombs of Russian heroes of Pozharsky. Minin, Bagration, Kornilov. Nakhimova I.pr., the main monuments of the Patriotic War of 1812, the Second World War, etc., made a toilet from the Monument to the Heroes of Plevna - have nothing to do with the Russian people
                Quote: McAr
                In fact, the USSR was "buried" by those who fiercely hated the socialist system. So, a priori, they could not be communists. Party card and sonorous speeches, like armor, covered their foul essence.

                They did not fly from Mars: they are YOUR system grown, the flesh of his flesh, they are advanced and raised. and the essence of them, too, is just him. there was no other teacher. forgot?
              2. Hole puncher
                Hole puncher 21 November 2018 13: 16
                0
                Quote: McAr
                Well, not all the same their rotten nature is flaunted.

                From the age of 13, Gorbachev plowed on a collective farm, at the age of 15 he got on a combine, and at the age of 18 he was awarded the Order of the Red Banner of Labor for shock work. Work on the collective farm did not prevent him from finishing school with a medal. I doubt that you can boast of something like that while declaring his "rottenness".
                Quote: McAr
                In fact, the USSR was "buried" by those who fiercely hated the socialist system. So, a priori, they could not be communists. Party card and sonorous speeches, like armor, covered their foul essence.

                Let me know what you personally did to preserve the USSR and the legacy of your beloved Stalin?
                1. Mcar
                  Mcar 21 November 2018 13: 56
                  -9
                  Quote: Puncher
                  From the age of 13, Gorbachev plowed on a collective farm, at the age of 15 he got on a combine, and at the age of 18 he was awarded the Order of the Red Banner of Labor for shock work. Work on the collective farm did not prevent him from finishing school with a medal. I doubt that you can boast of something like that while declaring his "rottenness".

                  And what does that prove?

                  It was 1944. Nothing extraordinary, it's normal from the age of 13 "to plow on a collective farm", when all the adult men went to the front. Personally, I got my first experience of "plowing on a collective farm" at the age of 12, when there was a peaceful sky overhead.

                  This time. Secondly, there is a version that Gorbachev became a holder of the Order of the Red Banner of Labor as a result of forgery. Like other high school students, the future general secretary simply earned extra money during the harvest during the holidays, which was common practice in the villages of Stavropol.

                  Thirdly, the future sole president of the USSR was recruited by the CIA, according to one version, when he studied at Moscow State University, according to another, when he returned to the Stavropol region for party work. Both versions are more than convincing.

                  Finally, ancestors could easily instill in him hatred of the Soviet regime and the socialist system - one grandfather served 14 months for Trotsky activity, the other 2 years in forced labor for sabotage.

                  So yes, I can’t boast of anything like that - they didn’t repress relatives, they didn’t recruit them to the CIA.

                  Quote: Puncher
                  Let me know what you personally did to preserve the USSR and the legacy of your beloved Stalin?

                  Do not believe it - as much as I could, I did it! Voted FOR the preservation of the USSR.
                  And you probably expected a story about self-immolation in the main square of the city in protest. I feel like I’ve disappointed ... Better tell us what you did to destroy the country and roll it back to the time of Radishchev, when he traveled from St. Petersburg to Moscow.
      2. kalibr
        kalibr 21 November 2018 07: 53
        0
        The Communists are not lucky with the people. Well, no way! Either one illiterate village, then illiterate degenerates. Not enough fiery, well ... not enough!
        1. Mcar
          Mcar 21 November 2018 08: 06
          -6
          Quote: kalibr
          The Communists are not lucky with the people. Well, no way! Either one illiterate village, then illiterate degenerates. Not enough fiery, well ... not enough!

          Why are you distorting?
          Not ardent enough, but literate. Cadres decide everything - the main slogan of the Stalin era. Here, there were not enough literate personnel. There are almost none even now.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 21 November 2018 10: 23
            -3
            Quote: McAr
            Why are you distorting?
            Not ardent enough, but literate. Cadres decide everything - the main slogan of the Stalin era. Here, there were not enough literate personnel.

            So they say to you: You were not lucky with the people, he did not justify your fiery plans.
            There were enough literate people under tsarism for the VOR, and there were no more literate people under the already built socialism and for socialism. lol

            Some omnipotent Trotskyists bred and bred in incredible numbers and mercilessly spread the helpless Bolsheviks. request
            1. Sugar Honeyovich
              Sugar Honeyovich 21 November 2018 15: 08
              0
              Quote: Olgovich
              So they say to you: you were not lucky with the people, he did not justify your fiery plans


              The same can be said about the tsarist government - the Orthodox people, instead of piously working for God, the king and the lord, went against them with a pitchfork.
              And the same thing - about the current government, the people do not want to understand and accept it, for him Stalin is the name of Russia ...
              However - a trend!
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 22 November 2018 07: 14
                -1
                Quote: Sahar Medovich
                The same can be said and about tsarist rule - the Orthodox people, instead of piously working for God, the king and the lord, went against them with a pitchfork.

                You can not.
                Quote: Sahar Medovich
                and accept, for him, Stalin is the name of Russia ...
                However - a trend!

                Yes Yes!! lol
                1. Sugar Honeyovich
                  Sugar Honeyovich 22 November 2018 13: 08
                  0
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  You can not.

                  Can. And even necessary.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 23 November 2018 08: 59
                    -2
                    Quote: Sahar Medovich
                    Can. .

                    lol lol
                    look at the State flag of Russia.!
                    1. Sugar Honeyovich
                      Sugar Honeyovich 23 November 2018 13: 35
                      -1
                      Looked and what? Today is one, tomorrow there may be another. You must look at the mood in the country!
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 24 November 2018 08: 49
                        -1
                        Quote: Sahar Medovich
                        Looked and what? Today is one, tomorrow there may be another. You must look at the mood in the country!

                        in the election, yours in a full puddle. lol
                      2. Sugar Honeyovich
                        Sugar Honeyovich 25 November 2018 07: 35
                        0
                        Firstly, who are these "yours", and secondly, these are not elections, but their imitation. Comes to the "Hamburg account", then we'll see.
        2. Baloo
          Baloo 21 November 2018 10: 13
          +1
          [quote] [quote = kalibr] The Communists are not lucky with the people. Well, nothing! [/ Quote]
          Especially when you take into account post-Andropian stagnation and decay. What prevented Kryuchkov? Or who? And those failures in the security services? What is going on there? That gelenvagengeyt with graduates of the FSB Academy, then .... I will not say anything. It seems that little has changed. Fifth column, sixth, seventh ... I and everything on our neck. Can’t you somehow clean the trash, mold and foam?
        3. chenia
          chenia 21 November 2018 15: 07
          0
          Quote: kalibr

          The Communists are not lucky with the people. Well, no way!


          And with the capitalists, which is better?
          What is the squeal about?

          The fact that the Communists (selected) surrendered the socialist homeland.

          So, this confirms the effectiveness of the Stalin method.

          The elite is prone to degeneration.
          And we must constantly weed it!

          What was done under Stalin.

          And as soon as impunity for party nomenclature, the result is appropriate.

          This is a natural athlete (only not the highest results) maintaining a form has a powerful body. As soon as he relaxes (sedentary lifestyle, alcohol. Overeating, smoking)
          degrades.

          So Stalin kept the party nomenclature in good shape, and that gave out the result (and not even very competent).

          BEAT DETERMINES CONSCIOUSNESS

          And what is the point in the article.
      3. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 09: 13
        -4
        Quote: McAr
        So the ones you mentioned were simultaneously illiterate in the Marxist sense, and opportunists in the everyday.

        That is, you again get "the wrong people", right?
        1. Mcar
          Mcar 21 November 2018 09: 18
          -12
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          That is, you again get "the wrong people", right?

          No, that’s not true.
          This is you, obviously, the people are 1-5% of the world-eaters, the rest is garbage.
          And I have the opposite.
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 09: 24
            0
            Quote: McAr
            This is you, obviously, the people are 1-5% of the world-eaters, the rest is garbage.
            And I have the opposite.

            Do not talk nonsense. I have never stated this, unlike you.
            So the ones you mentioned were simultaneously illiterate in the Marxist sense, and opportunists in the everyday.

            Are these not your words?
            1. Mcar
              Mcar 21 November 2018 09: 29
              -11
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Quote: McAr
              This is you, obviously, the people are 1-5% of the world-eaters, the rest is garbage.
              And I have the opposite.

              Do not talk nonsense. I have never stated this, unlike you.
              So the ones you mentioned were simultaneously illiterate in the Marxist sense, and opportunists in the everyday.

              Are these not your words?

              What is a troll, huh? Is there no other business?

              Since when did four people - Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevardnadze, Aliev begin to be considered a people?
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 09: 32
                +3
                Quote: McAr
                Since when did four people - Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevardnadze, Aliev begin to be considered a people?

                Do not go into sophistry. You attributed these four in your commentary to the people whom you described as those for whom
                To get into the party, into the ranks of controllers, who themselves do not need to do anything, but only lead others, was a cherished dream of a mass of crooks and careerists.

                Or say that these were not your words?
                1. Mcar
                  Mcar 21 November 2018 09: 39
                  -8
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  Do not go into sophistry. You are the four in your comment attributed to peoplewhom you described as those for whom

                  Not to people, but to non-people. These are like you for their fellow think.

                  Cancer cells are usually removed. Do you think that they need to be preserved. This is the main difference between our points of view.
                  1. Lieutenant Teterin
                    Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 09: 42
                    0
                    Quote: McAr
                    Not to people, but to non-people. These are like you for their fellow think.

                    But this is a direct insult.
                    Quote: McAr
                    Cancer cells are usually removed. Do you think that they need to be preserved.

                    Again you shy away from the answer, going into sophistry. Let’s assume that those four had no place in power. But you yourself said about the "mass of crooks and careerists" in the party, right? And who was our party formed from? From the people, from the citizens of the USSR. So what happens, according to you, the people for the most part were "crooks and careerists"? And the "honest communists" who accepted them into this party indifferently looked at the moral qualities of these people?
                    1. Hole puncher
                      Hole puncher 21 November 2018 10: 04
                      -1
                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      And from whom was the party formed? From the people, from the citizens of the USSR

                      Of the best, of the best. Faithful Leninists-Stalinists who have proven their loyalty by deeds, who do not have discrediting ties both among the environment and among relatives.
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 21 November 2018 15: 41
                        -2
                        And also a point can be added to the Bolsheviks - "benefactors of the Soviet people" - during the war, partisan detachments were ordered from above to destroy any property on the territory captured by German troops, including the burning of residential rural houses, villages, with all who there was and spit there are Germans, there is no civilian population there, not peaceful - the tactics of empty land, then what the enemy could use must be destroyed - including the population of 70000 burned villages, villages of the USSR during the war, an unknown part, their own handiwork is already a fact. And moreover, after the end of the war, all those who were in the occupied territory and survived had to justify themselves for many years - to the question "How did they end up in this territory."
                    2. Mcar
                      Mcar 21 November 2018 11: 12
                      -9
                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      Again, evade the answer, going into sophistry.

                      About sophistry, specify: where and in what I tried to justify the deliberate absurdity or absurdity. Otherwise
                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      But this is a direct insult.

                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      And the "honest communists" who accepted them into this party indifferently looked at the moral qualities of these people?

                      Yeah. Scoundrels, scoundrels, crooks, careerists - they also have a corresponding tattoo, like a credential, on their foreheads, but business cards are distributed like these:
                      Ivanov I.I. A bribe taker, a careerist, an opportunist.
                      Petrov P.P. Scoundrel, rogue, Trotskyist.

                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      Let’s assume that those four had no place in power. But you yourself said about the "mass of crooks and careerists" in the party, right?

                      That's right, he said so. I hope you don't understand 100% of the "mass of crooks and careerists"?

                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      And who was our party formed from? From the people, from the citizens of the USSR. So what happens, according to you, the people for the most part were "crooks and careerists"?

                      This is called sophistry.

                      The Communist Party in the 50s totaled 7-10 million people. And the population of the Union in those years was 180-200 million. Those. only one in twenty had a party card. Further, the bulk of the members of the Communist Party were the most ordinary hard workers, only more responsible in their work and work. Therefore, paired nomenclature, even within the framework of the party, is an insignificantly small percentage, and even invisible on the scale of the entire population. And that's not all! Not all, not all of the party elite of the 50s consisted of crooks, opportunists, and careerists.

                      What is the bottom line? On the common body of the Union, in the 50s there were rare foci of cancer cells that grew into Khrushchev's slush, metastasized, and by the 90s killed the whole body.

                      I argue that cancer cells had to be destroyed, and the sooner the better. And you are engaged in verbal balancing act a la "in your words, the people for the most part were" crooks and careerists. "

                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 21 November 2018 15: 44
                        -3
                        "Cancer cells in the USSR" - Your mutants from the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, raised and reared and they were raised - by the Soviet system.
                      2. NordUral
                        NordUral 22 November 2018 11: 07
                        +1
                        Stupidly, 237 and just a lie.
                      3. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 22 November 2018 11: 17
                        -2
                        Look how really the three did not like it - but they can’t answer either.
                  2. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 21 November 2018 10: 30
                    +1
                    Quote: McAr
                    Cancer cells are usually removed.

                    You brought up these cells, accepted into the party and entrusted the leadership. NOBODY did this anymore. YOUR only power was. Forgot already? Who is to blame again? Bad dancer ....

                    No Western capitalist has done this.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 22 November 2018 10: 20
      0
      After all, I could also take you for a decent person, Hole puncher. So with these figures was the case.
  5. Nonna
    Nonna 21 November 2018 06: 59
    +7
    Stalin lived, Stalin, alive, Stalin will live! Hatred of Stalin’s Yeltsin-Putin liberal-bureaucratic kagal simply rolls over. Putin’s entourage, who had stolen billions and continued to rob Russia, would have fed worms long ago under Stalin. But the current resident is destined for the fate of a drunkard - Russia does not like traitors
    1. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 09: 16
      -7
      Quote: Nonna
      Stalin lived, Stalin, alive, Stalin will live!

      Recalls the words used by sects.
      Quote: Nonna
      the hatred of Stalin's Yeltsin-Putin liberal-bureaucratic kagala simply rolls over.

      Yes, they have no hatred. Indifference is what it is. There would be that hatred, dozens of opus Mukhin, Zhukov, Semin and other paper makers praising Dzhugashvili would not gather dust on the bookshelves of the shops. The one who really hated him was the party leaders who had survived after his bouts of paranoia, and it was not for nothing that they condemned Dzhugashvili at the 20th Congress.
      1. atos_kin
        atos_kin 21 November 2018 11: 53
        +6
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        There would be that hatred, dozens of opus Mukhin, Zhukov, Semin and other paper makers praising Dzhugashvili would not gather dust on the bookshelves of the shops.

        Calm down, lieutenant. On the shelves of bookstores hundreds of thousands of opuses by "other paper machines" are gathering dust, slandering Comrade Stalin. There is hatred, only they do not know how to prove or do anything. For today's "liberal-bureaucratic kagal" they were "repression - punishment, a punitive measure applied by state bodies ", and for the citizens of the USSR and contemporaries who saw the light, it was"social protection of workers - the most important function of the state, aimed at observing human rights, at meeting its social needs, regardless of place of residence, nationality, gender, age, origin. "
    2. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 21 November 2018 11: 02
      -2
      hey ... who and where did the current president betray as well as Gorbachev and Yeltsin?
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 22 November 2018 10: 22
        0
        He betrayed the people of Russia.
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 22 November 2018 15: 02
          -1
          And what specific treacherous actions did he take and in what specifically did he betray you personally?
  6. kalibr
    kalibr 21 November 2018 07: 52
    -3
    Quote: Nonna
    But the current resident is destined for the fate of a drunkard - Russia does not like traitors

    Do you pay taxes? For light, water ... repair ... VAT again? This is the main thing! So you can say anything. Words are words. The main thing is who pays someone!
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 21 November 2018 08: 11
      +6
      Do you pay taxes?
      Where are the taxes? A state that owes us nothing? That on our money contained "macaroshek"?
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 22 November 2018 10: 23
      +1
      What are you talking about, caliber?
  7. bober1982
    bober1982 21 November 2018 07: 55
    0
    The author of the article stubbornly interprets about the unknown secrets of the repressions of 1937.
    The entire anti-Stalinist opposition, by the way - not numerous, was defeated by 1927 and Stalin himself at the XVII Congress of the CPSU (B.) In 1934 announced the elimination of any Trotskyist opposition.
    If there is a secret, then it is not clear why it was necessary to beat people who were personally loyal to Stalin, why there was a massacre.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 21 November 2018 09: 18
      +2
      Quote: bober1982
      The whole anti-Stalinist opposition, by the way - is not numerous,

      For one Bolshevik there were 10 Trotskyists — is this, in your opinion, a few opposition to the Bolsheviks? laughing

      Quote: bober1982
      was defeated by the 1927 year and Stalin himself at the XVII Congress of the CPSU (b) in the 1934 year announced the liquidation

      And for so long, 7 years, did Stalin gather his courage to announce this publicly? And in 1937, who were they smashed? laughing

      Quote: bober1982
      Why was there a massacre?

      What kind of carnage are you talking about? Here is the data provided to Khrushchev for repression. Please note that the data is indicated with 1921 years when Stalin did not have any relation to the adoption of any decisions. As they did not try to please Khrushchev, neither of which they did not succeed. Yes, and about the war, about the traitors, etc. Shusharu-is it worth reminding?

      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 09: 29
        -2
        Quote: Boris55
        For one Bolshevik there were 10 Trotskyists — is this, in your opinion, a few opposition to the Bolsheviks?

        Verbiage. The "Trotskyists" are one of the subgroups within the Bolshevik movement.
        Quote: Boris55
        What kind of carnage are you talking about? Here is the data provided to Khrushchev for repression.

        And, that is, for you to destroy more than 30 thousand people in 640 years, most of them during the years 1937-38 - is that so, little things?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 21 November 2018 09: 40
          0
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          "Trotskyists" - there is one of the subgroups

          How can one call a subgroup that is ten times the size of the group itself? laughing

          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          And, that is, for you to destroy over 30 years 640 with more than a thousand people,

          Few. There they are, the green brothers with Bandera again raised their heads. Defective Comrade Stalin. We have to again drive them into the stall.

          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          and most of them during 1937-38 years

          And how much is it in numbers? Is it really 1937 thousand with 38-400?
          Or maybe even more? belay

          Graphics to comprehend:
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 09: 52
            0
            Quote: Boris55
            How can one call a subgroup that is ten times the size of the group itself?

            And where is the evidence that there were "10 times more" of them?
            Quote: Boris55
            Few. There they are, the green brothers with Bandera again raised their heads. Defective Comrade Stalin. We have to again drive them into the stall.

            What is it? And you, too, are not the people? Everyone should be driven into the stall and killed? Are you aware in general that the same Bandera members appeared as a result of the policy of "indigenization" carried out by Dzhugashvili?
            Quote: Boris55
            And how much is it in numbers? Is it really 1937 thousand from 38-400? Or maybe even more?

            1937 year - 353 074
            1938 year - 328 618
            http://www.politpros.com/journal/read/?ID=783
            Data Soviet Researcher Zemskov. Almost a thousand killed per day. Such losses were suffered by WWI participants at the front. The country was losing a thousand citizens a day. In peacetime.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 21 November 2018 10: 30
              0
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Bandera appeared as a result

              Bandera appeared as a result of the Austro-Hungarian upbringing of part of the Russian population against the Russians.

              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              1937 year - 353 074
              1938 year - 328 618

              And in fig then the note to Khrushchev covers the period from 21 to 54 year? laughing
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 10: 34
                0
                Quote: Boris55
                Bandera appeared as a result of the Austro-Hungarian upbringing of part of the Russian population against the Russians.

                Oh well. The same thing in tsarist Russia was not heard of them.
                Quote: Boris55
                In fig then the note covers the period from the 21st to the 54th year?

                I sincerely do not understand your irony. Does it matter to you that in two years the people have lost more than 600 thousand of their sons and daughters?
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 21 November 2018 10: 42
                  0
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  in two years people lost 600 with more than a thousand of their sons and daughters?

                  I do not understand you. Judging by what you laid out, you believe that before the 37 and after the 38, there was not a single death sentence. But this is complete nonsense. hi
                  1. Lieutenant Teterin
                    Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 10: 50
                    -3
                    My dear, did you click on the link I provided? Apparently - no. If they did, then they would understand that I gave you an excerpt from the full statistics on sentences, confirming my words that a terrifying number of death sentences had occurred in 1937-38.
                    1. Mcar
                      Mcar 22 November 2018 20: 47
                      -9
                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      My dear, did you click on the link I provided? Apparently - no. If they did, then they would understand that I gave you an excerpt from the full statistics on sentences, confirming my words that a terrifying number of death sentences had occurred in 1937-38.

                      Lieutenant! No one argues that "in 1937-38 there were a terrifying number of death sentences." Craftsmen even drew graphs for clarity. For example like this:



                      Have you ever taken the trouble to figure out why such a surge of executions? For example, I figured it out. Why aren’t you? If this is not interesting to you, then why are you even talking about this topic - it’s not interesting. And if this affects you, then you still have to figure it out. So be puzzled and sort it out.
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 21 November 2018 11: 14
              -1
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              1937 year - 353 074
              1938 year - 328 618
              http://www.politpros.com/journal/read/?ID=783
              Data from the Soviet researcher Zemskov. Almost a thousand killed per day. Such losses were suffered by WWI participants at the front. The country was losing a thousand citizens a day. In peacetime.

              The main executions were from August 1937 to Aug 38. That is, during the year Everyday, in peacetime, shot more than 1 of their fellow citizens.. Wild number.

              No capitalists could even invent such a thing.
              The vast majority are justified.
            3. Hantengri
              Hantengri 21 November 2018 21: 52
              +1
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              1937 year - 353 074
              1938 year - 328 618
              http://www.politpros.com/journal/read/?ID=783
              Data from the Soviet researcher Zemskov. Almost a thousand killed per day. Such losses were suffered by WWI participants at the front. The country was losing a thousand citizens a day. In peacetime.

              Time to breathe! Yes, lieutenant? In the article you mentioned, Zemskov names the number 799 455 sentenced to the "watchtower" for the period from 1921 to the first half of 1. Could you give a quote from this article about: "1953 - 1937 353. 074 --1938 328 ", and then, suddenly, I did not read it carefully enough ... All three times. lol
          2. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 09: 54
            -1
            Something I do not see the source of demographic data on your chart. I can draw the same in 10 minutes.
            1. Avior
              Avior 21 November 2018 10: 54
              +1
              The schedule is about nothing.
              Prohibit abortion and limit contraception, introduce a tax on childlessness and birth rates will work out on their own, the process is well-known, and besides, one of the most accessible sources of positive emotions is nature took care ....
              In besieged Leningrad, children were also born, although fertility declined.
              95 thousand children were born during the blockade!
              http://www.smena.ru/news/2015/06/22/24485
        2. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 21 November 2018 11: 05
          +4
          And with EBN, how many people were ruined? Not in 30 years .. but in just 10 .. and whose result is the regime bloodier?
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 11: 23
            -4
            Quote: Andrey VOV
            And with EBN how many people were ruined?

            Do you know who was in his government? Communists and Komsomol members. Only for some reason they called themselves "democrats", but in fact they remained what they were before perestroika. Education and upbringing have not gone anywhere. Poles with Czechs acted smarter in their time - they forbade members of their communist parties to hold public office. The result is obvious - there was no such nightmare as we had in these countries.
            1. Rakti-kali
              Rakti-kali 21 November 2018 11: 40
              +3
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Do you know who was in his government? Communists and Komsomol members.

              There were no communists and Komsomol members in his government, but there were mainly scum who wanted to become new nobles and a bourgeois who had completely forgotten about honor and only dreamed of personal enrichment and demonstration of this wealth.
              And remember for the future - a party membership card does not make a person a communist.
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 11: 54
                0
                Quote: Rakti-Kali
                There were no communists and Komsomol members in his government, but there were mainly scum who wanted to become new nobles and a bourgeois who had completely forgotten about honor and only dreamed of personal enrichment and demonstration of this wealth.

                Oh really? Let's get a look.
                Egor Gaidar: member of the CPSU since 1980
                Gennady Burbulis: member of the CPSU since 1971, 10 years taught Marxism-Leninism.
                Vladimir Shumeyko: member of the CPSU since 1967
                Alexander Shokhin: was deputy secretary of the Komsomol organization.
                Viktor Chernomyrdin - member of the CPSU since 1961.
                Sergey Shakhrai - member of the CPSU since 1988.
                This list can be continued for a long time.
                Quote: Rakti-Kali
                And remember for the future - a party membership card does not make a person a communist.

                Party card may be yes, but what about ideological upbringing and education?
                1. Rakti-kali
                  Rakti-kali 21 November 2018 13: 10
                  -3
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  Oh really? Let's get a look.

                  Quote: Rakti-Kali
                  And remember for the future - a party membership card does not make a person a communist.
            2. Andrey VOV
              Andrey VOV 21 November 2018 11: 44
              +1
              It is difficult to call them Communists and Komsomol members, and it’s practically impossible ... The EBN tried to ban the Communist Party and even set up some kind of pseudo court, I still remember the current MP Makarov as his lawyer ... and compare how the regimes changed in the Czech Republic and Poland , and as I carried it, I think it’s not very correct, there were different starting positions
            3. Mcar
              Mcar 21 November 2018 13: 06
              -10
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Do you know who was in his government? Communists and Komsomol members.

              You are mistaken. The presence of a Komsomol or party ticket does not make a person a Komsomol member or a communist.
              1. Consultant
                Consultant 21 November 2018 14: 34
                +1
                Quote: McAr
                Having a Komsomol or party ticket does not make a person a Komsomol member or a communist

                In Soviet times, it was not considered so. The phrase "you put your party card in" was a real threat.

                But demagogues from modern times is not a hindrance wink
            4. Claymore
              Claymore 21 November 2018 19: 04
              +3
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Do you know who was in his government? Communists and Komsomol members. Only for some reason they called themselves "democrats", but in fact they remained what they were before perestroika.
              Not true.

              It was in the Soviet leadership that "democrats" were born who, for the purpose of conspiracy, called themselves communists and Komsomol members, while remaining essentially "democrats".
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 21 November 2018 15: 48
            -5
            Only 10 million in 10 years, and for the most part - people themselves were destroying themselves, first of all with alcohol - then stalling into depression, drugs, etc.
            1. Mcar
              Mcar 21 November 2018 17: 22
              -10
              Quote: Vadim237
              people themselves destroyed primarily by alcohol

              Here is Zhdanov’s wonderful lecture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNRf3feaJ1g
              Quite lucidly about this "ourselves".
        3. Mcar
          Mcar 21 November 2018 12: 53
          -11
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          that is, for you to kill 30-plus thousand people in 640 years, most of them during the years 1937-38 - is that so, little things?

          In the Stalin era, life was seven times safer than in the Putin era.



          Under Stalin, in PEACE TIME, the number of all killed averaged about 20 thousand people a year (including those shot by the state and victims of CRIMINAL killings).
          In modern Russia, WITHOUT A DEATH PENALTY AND IN PEACE TIME, up to 10 thousand or more registered murders are committed per year, from 50 to 100 * thousand people go missing. In total, about 140-150 thousand CRIMINAL deaths are recorded per year!

          * according to unofficial data: http: //news- of Russia.ru-an.info/news/opening of a policeman- where- disappear- people- in- /

          Lieutenant! As a decent person, you must now shoot yourself. )))
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 13: 45
            0
            Quote: McAr
            Under Stalin, in PEACE TIME, the number of all killed averaged about 20 thousand people a year (including those shot by the state and victims of CRIMINAL killings).
            In modern Russia, WITHOUT A DEATH PENALTY AND IN PEACE TIME, up to 10 or more thousand registered murders are committed per year,

            Are you friends with logic or not? You write that in those years the number of murders reached 20 thousand a year, and now 10 thousand. Do you have 10 more than 20?
            And yes, you didn’t bring a source of your statistics, or even think about the fact that in those years, far from all crimes were registered.
            1. Mcar
              Mcar 21 November 2018 14: 18
              -8
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Are you friends with logic or not? You write that in those years the number of murders reached 20 thousand a year, and now 10 thousand. Do you have 10 more than 20?

              The criminal deaths of 140 thousand. The fact that they are not registered as direct murder is because the laws are such. There are crimes for which there is no article in the Criminal Code.

              Do you know how to cure all patients in a hospital? By order of the hospital, consider a normal temperature of 40 degrees. Is funny So with the Unified State Examination we have recently acted in a similar way - we lowered the bar and everything is fine.

              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              And yes, you didn’t give a source of your statistics

              The data fluctuate, and therefore did not lead. I will bring one troll "A", I will bring others, troll "B", I will bring both, troll "C". Look for yourself.

              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              in those years, all the more so, far from all crimes were recorded.

              So yes, in the early years of Soviet power there were not enough personnel, it happened that there was one policeman with three classes in several villages. However, by the end of the thirties it was already more or less normal with this - all crimes were recorded.
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 14: 30
                -1
                Quote: McAr
                The criminal deaths of 140 thousand. The fact that they are not registered as direct murder is because the laws are such. There are crimes for which there is no article in the Criminal Code.

                That is, for modern Russia, you take into account criminal deaths, but not for the USSR in the 30s? Objectively.
                Quote: McAr
                The data fluctuate, and therefore did not lead. I will bring one troll "A", I will bring others, troll "B", I will bring both, troll "C". Look for yourself.

                That is, you do not have a data source, and in order not to enter into a discussion, you refer to mythical trolls and get away from arguing your data. Perfectly.
                Quote: McAr
                However, by the end of the thirties it was already more or less normal with this - all crimes were recorded.

                That is, they were registered then, and now in the era of digitalization - no. Well, blessed is he who believes.
                1. Mcar
                  Mcar 21 November 2018 14: 41
                  -10
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  That is, you do not have a data source

                  Especially for lazy people:


                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  That is, they were registered then, and now in the era of digitalization - no. Well, blessed is he who believes.

                  Precisely - blessed are those who believe.

                  Then it was the people's power and everything was done in the interests of the people. Now the government is anti-people and everything is done in the interests of a handful of ghouls. So those in power are “embarrassed” to show the truth, dusting up social ulcers like the syphilis forgiven the Lord.
                  1. Lieutenant Teterin
                    Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 14: 43
                    0
                    So you brought statistics for the present. And where is the source for the USSR? Lost?
                    Quote: McAr
                    Then it was a people's power and everything was done in the interests of the people.

                    Good tale.
                  2. Consultant
                    Consultant 21 November 2018 15: 16
                    0
                    Quote: McAr
                    Especially for lazy people

                    Man, there are two things missing from this marvelous picture:

                    1. Source.
                    2. What is "data for the year" - disappeared for this year, and in the same "installed", or something else?
                    3. And, yes - what is "established", explain, if you please ...
              2. Andrey VOV
                Andrey VOV 21 November 2018 14: 33
                +1
                Give an example of a crime for which there is no article in the Criminal Code.
                Criminal death can be not only direct murder ... again, on the fact of suicides, especially of minors, a criminal case is necessarily initiated.
                In the event of a fatal accident, a criminal case is being opened ... drug overdoses, mass alcohol poisoning, these are not direct killings, but they take place in the Ministry of Internal Affairs reports, and from there are the figures you cunningly manipulate
                1. Mcar
                  Mcar 21 November 2018 14: 53
                  -12
                  Quote: Andrey VOV

                  Give an example of a crime for which there is no article in the Criminal Code.


                  The second, third generation does not have children. Is this not a crime against man?
                  1. Andrey VOV
                    Andrey VOV 21 November 2018 15: 07
                    0
                    Well, I see ... Ermakova is a famous person ... what did you give as an example ... and where do we have GMO products in the Russian Federation? Show ... and what you sent, excuse demagogy ... crap ...
                    1. Mcar
                      Mcar 21 November 2018 16: 57
                      -15
                      Quote: Andrey VOV
                      Well, I see ... Ermakova is a famous person ..

                      And you, the defender of the anti-people regime, look only at epaulettes, regalia, mantles and posts? Is this the main thing for you? By chance, not about people like you, the joke is complicated:

                      - Comrade ensign, and crocodiles fly?
                      - What!? Who told you such garbage?
                      - Comrade Major.
                      - Comrade Major ?! Actually, they fly, but very low!

                      Quote: Andrey VOV
                      what you cited as an example .. and where do we have GMO products in the Russian Federation?

                      At your nearest grocery store.
                  2. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 21 November 2018 15: 53
                    +1
                    In Russia, GMOs are prohibited - completely.
                    1. Mcar
                      Mcar 21 November 2018 16: 35
                      -10
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      In Russia, GMOs are prohibited - completely.

                      Russia cannot completely abandon GMOs due to WTO rules.
                      1. Andrey VOV
                        Andrey VOV 21 November 2018 17: 18
                        0
                        Once again, name specific products containing GMOs? And you’ll be rude in a pub, do you understand? I earned my shoulder straps and wore them honestly, and I respect the people who wear them and honestly give their debt .. and blah blah blah with both phrases scare girls
                      2. Mcar
                        Mcar 21 November 2018 17: 27
                        -13
                        Quote: Andrey VOV
                        Once again, name specific foods containing GMOs?

                        I won’t tell you.

                        Sleep well, country
                        We do not care all Khan
                        You are so alone
                        Sleep well, country!
                      3. Consultant
                        Consultant 21 November 2018 17: 36
                        0
                        Quote: McAr
                        Quote: Andrey VOV
                        Once again, name specific foods containing GMOs?

                        I will not tell you

                        Well, tell me something? wink

                        Or all the same lyalyabol? laughing
                      4. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 21 November 2018 21: 42
                        -1
                        There, with or without rules - GMOs are completely prohibited in Russia, this is what the FSB monitors - if you are not in the know.
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                      6. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 22 November 2018 11: 23
                        -2
                        I have never met a single GMO vegetable on the market - well, except for you, of course, a mutant from the Bolsheviks. a rare case, the only one so unique.
                      7. Mcar
                        Mcar 22 November 2018 11: 27
                        -11
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        the only one so unique.

                        Thank you for the compliment, but I do not need too much - there are more people like me than you imagine.

                        Quote: Vadim237
                        I have not met a single GMO vegetable on the market

                        Have you tried to talk to them? No? Next time try, just do not forget to introduce yourself.
                      8. kalibr
                        kalibr 21 November 2018 21: 24
                        -1
                        Maybe she refused!
                      9. Mcar
                        Mcar 22 November 2018 04: 51
                        -16
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Maybe she refused!

                        She can’t, she didn’t refuse.
                        Refusal to import GMOs will be possible only if the Russian Federation leaves the WTO.
                        And the hamsters weren’t reported, right? )))
                      10. Andrey VOV
                        Andrey VOV 22 November 2018 15: 08
                        -1
                        You are a typical representative of those balabol who are trying to substantiate their point of view with general phrases and facts taken out of the general context, and you answer the specific question, where there is only a specific answer, yourself ... in a street conversation, they beat for such a face ... this is so .. among other things on a note
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                      12. Andrey VOV
                        Andrey VOV 23 November 2018 12: 21
                        0
                        Well, yes .. but you are capable of such photos .. I am not Putinoid this time, secondly, after the imposition of sanctions and counter-sanctions, GMO products practically do not reach us, especially with regard to agricultural products, and in the current situations of the Russian Federation has the right to not comply with the norms of your beloved WTO, which, in principle, is done and it is not necessary to confuse GMOs with hybrids, these are absolutely different things
                      13. Mcar
                        Mcar 23 November 2018 12: 27
                        -14
                        Andrey VOV, sleep on. Things are good.
              3. Consultant
                Consultant 21 November 2018 14: 37
                +4
                Quote: McAr
                The criminal deaths of 140 thousand. The fact that they are not registered as direct murder is because the laws are such. There are crimes for which there are no articles in the Criminal Code

                What is written with a pen ...

                An example of "crimes" "for which there are no articles in the Criminal Code" - in the studio! Otherwise, you end up somewhere lalyabol request
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 21 November 2018 15: 50
            0
            Are these statistics generally for which year?
            1. Mcar
              Mcar 21 November 2018 16: 36
              -11
              Quote: Vadim237
              Are these statistics generally for which year?

              Banned on the Internet? Find the statistics that you like yourself.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 21 November 2018 21: 44
                -1
                You can’t say a good answer - the main thing is informative.
                1. Mcar
                  Mcar 22 November 2018 03: 56
                  -13
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  You can’t say a good answer - the main thing is informative.

                  What we can, then we can. Contact!
        4. NordUral
          NordUral 22 November 2018 10: 27
          0
          You are a thimble, Teterin.
      2. Avior
        Avior 21 November 2018 10: 10
        -2
        Yeah, documents in such matters are a powerful thing.
        According to documents in Auschwitz, only about 70 thousand people died, all from natural causes.
        According to your logic, it's time to run to repent before the Nazis negative
        Or understand that in such matters documents pulled out of the archives unsystematically are not in themselves absolute proof.
        For starters, you just need to open archives without cuts ...
      3. bober1982
        bober1982 21 November 2018 10: 13
        +3
        Quote: Boris55
        There were 10 Trotskyists per Bolshevik

        You greatly exaggerate, the confrontation between Stalin and Trotsky was personal in nature, they simply hated each other, but if during the life of Lenin any decency was respected, then after his death this struggle assumed a party character, in the form of various theoretical differences.
        Stalin must be given his due, the defeat of the Trotskyists was complete - they were cowardly comrades, quickly began to repent and renounce Trotsky.
        But no repentance in apostasy did not help, Stalin was vindictive, finished off all subsequently.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 21 November 2018 10: 25
          +1
          Quote: bober1982
          You exaggerate it,

          Not much. Look at the graph for the number of party members, how power passed from one group to another and compare with what was happening in the country.



          Quote: bober1982
          Stalin must be given credit; the defeat of the Trotskyists was complete

          No. There would not have been a complete defeat of the Trotskyists, otherwise they would not have arranged for us in the 90s. The Trotskyists possessed managerial knowledge. The common people did not possess such knowledge, but the country had to be governed. The disadvantage of all revolutions is the absence of their own cadres and the presence of old-regime cadres on the ground. “Cadres decide everything,” but the training of these cadres was carried out by the old elite.



          ps
          If someone did not know and forgot - all decisions in the party were made by a simple majority of votes.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 21 November 2018 11: 18
            -3
            Quote: Boris55
            There would not have been a complete defeat of the Trotskyists, otherwise they would not have arranged for us in the 90s. The Trotskyists possessed managerial knowledge. The common people did not possess such knowledge, but the country had to be governed. The disadvantage of all revolutions is the absence of their own cadres and the presence of old-regime cadres on the ground. “Cadres decide everything,” but the training of these cadres was carried out by the old elite.

            They would not have climbed to rule if they had the same insoluble problems.
            They were told about this. By the way, no one ever instructed anyone to manage the party.
    2. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 09: 19
      0
      Quote: bober1982
      If there is a secret, then it is not clear why it was necessary to beat people who were personally loyal to Stalin, why there was a massacre.

      There is no mystery here. The Bolsheviks who grew up in tsarist times were panicky afraid of betrayal - in those years among the revolutionaries, cooperation with the security organs of the Empire was a reliable way to save themselves. Therefore, revolutionary criminals are accustomed to fear and not trust their environment. And even having gained power, they never got rid of this habit.
  8. BAI
    BAI 21 November 2018 09: 08
    +2
    The fifth column was not defeated. Even in 1946, Denikin wrote:
    In the event of the occupation of Russian territory, immediately establish Russian self-government and, at the earliest opportunity, encourage the creation of a temporary central government on Russian lands, formed from Russian citizens with the possible participation of specially selected emigrants.
    1. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 09: 27
      -1
      Interesting quote. It directly contradicts the views of Denikin, which he expressed during the previous decade. Is there a source of quotation?
      1. BAI
        BAI 21 November 2018 09: 52
        -1
        Is it hard to find?
        For example here.
        https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/4399991.html
        I’ll bring you a photo right away so that there is no favorite noise about a fake.
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 10: 01
          +1
          As far as you can read the text of the letter, it is written in French. And here is the courtesy signature - "Sinserly yours", "Sincerely yours" for some reason in English. Denikin lived in the USA and spoke English, then the question arises - why was it necessary to write a letter in French? And in the publication you cited, there is no full text of the letter, only a translation. So it is doubtful that he actually wrote such a text.
          1. BAI
            BAI 21 November 2018 10: 12
            +1
            Well, what I was talking about
            so that there is no favorite noise about a fake.

            How is the classic?
            "If the facts don't fit my theory, so much the worse for the facts."
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 10: 25
              +1
              I'll tell you more, the "facts" you cite for some reason are not confirmed. I took the trouble to find the original of this letter. And you know what's interesting? English-language sources are stubbornly silent about him. It’s just some kind of conspiracy theory. I found a mention of a letter to Eisenhower regarding the extradition of people to the USSR. Remarkably, it is written in English, not French. Here's a quote:
              On January 31,1946 he wrote a letter to General Eisenhower which said "..all these unfortunates are aware of the fate awaiting them in the 'Soviet paradise', and it is not surprising, therefore, that the war prisoners being assembled in Dachau prefer to meet their death there ... (by suicide) ... anything rather than face the Bolsheviks torture chambers ... "
              https://www.amazon.com/White-Against-Red-General-Denikin/dp/0393336328
              My translation: "On January 31, 1946, he wrote a letter to General Eisenhower in which he said:" All these unlucky people are well aware of the fate awaiting them in the "Soviet paradise" and this is not surprising, because the prisoners of war who were gathered in Dachau prefer to meet there his death (by suicide), .... nothing but a meeting with the Bolshevik torture chambers. "
              It is. But there is no letter to Truman.
              1. BAI
                BAI 21 November 2018 10: 53
                -1
                about the extradition of people the USSR found.

                And this has something to do with it? These letters on the site "White Guard" - the sea, you do not need to look for anything.
                Well, the fact that the photo of the handwritten first sheet is not a document and not a fact is natural, it also shows the "white knights" in an unattractive light, and this cannot be by definition.
                1. Lieutenant Teterin
                  Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 11: 11
                  +1
                  Yes ... Your argumentation is so-so. And with logic too. There is no text of the letter in the original in the article you cited, there is only the first sheet in which Denikin, addressing the US President for some reason not in English, but in French (???), writes that he is worried about the fate of peoples and expounds the Russian point of view, which is anti-Soviet. There is nothing defamatory or "unsightly" about this - this text reflects the usual views of whites. And even if we omit the strangeness with the language, the questions arise later, when it turns out that the original letter ... is nowhere to be found! There is only a translation, and there is no original even in English-language sources! And the question arises: was this letter really? Or did the author of the article take the first sheet from another letter, and composed the text of the translation himself?
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 21 November 2018 11: 55
            +1
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

            How much you can parse the text of the letter, it is written in French

            There is a letter to Denikin Truman and he writes about what to do in case of an unprovoked USSR attacks to the west. Only in case of attack. And do not attack.
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 21 November 2018 09: 33
      +1
      When Denikin said so, he lost the ability to correctly assess the situation, and did not understand what was happening. The Germans did not trust the Russian emigrants, and no one would allow the so-called white emigrants to establish anything, as Anton Ivanovich naively stated.
      It can be added that citizens of Russia, which Denikin proposed to attract to self-government in the event of occupation, overwhelmingly showed active resistance (partisans, underground, saboteurs), and despite all the horrors of the German occupation, they did not seek to enter into this very self-government.
  9. peta locksmith
    peta locksmith 21 November 2018 09: 37
    -1
    "cit .. never in Russian history has there been such a brilliant galaxy of representatives of the military, political, diplomatic, scientific, administrative elite, as in the USSR during the 1930-1950s. These people created a superpower, laid the foundation for the civilization of the future ..."

    as well as such a galaxy of composers, poets, writers as in the 19th century, actors and directors in the 20th centuries. Until 1991, Russia will never be.

    Yes, the screening was brutal - but the result - in one phrase "there are no more of them and there will hardly be more"
    1. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 10: 29
      0
      Quote: petka locksmith
      as well as such a galaxy of composers, poets, writers as in the 19th century, actors and directors in the 20th centuries. Until 1991, Russia will never be.

      Moreover, note that this galaxy was grown by people who received upbringing and education back in tsarist Russia.
      1. peta locksmith
        peta locksmith 21 November 2018 11: 28
        +1
        I agree, classical education, often home-based, has given brilliant results in Russian culture.
        By the way, those who raised the country under the leadership of Stalin studied with the faculty, who worked and prepared back in tsarist Russia.
  10. Avior
    Avior 21 November 2018 10: 04
    -1
    "Union of National Terrorists"

    the author is not aware that this organization created by Kutepov carried out one attack on a meeting of party members and did not commit the horrors that he colorfully described.
    Actually, it was the Bolsheviks who used chemical weapons against the population, and not the "fifth column".
    The author is not aware that he turned everything inside out?
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 21 November 2018 10: 23
      +2
      Quote: Avior
      organization created by Kutepov

      All these terrible organizations of white emigrants were created under the complete control of the Soviet special services.
      1. Sugar Honeyovich
        Sugar Honeyovich 22 November 2018 13: 13
        0
        Still would! If white emigrants in colossal numbers worked for hepeu ...
    2. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 10: 28
      +3
      Quote: Avior
      The author is not aware that he turned everything inside out?

      In the know, he does this quite deliberately.
    3. Claymore
      Claymore 21 November 2018 19: 14
      0
      Quote: Avior
      Actually, it was the Bolsheviks who applied chemical weapons to the population

      When?
      What kind?
      What part of the population?
      How was it established that it was the members of the Bolshevik party who did this?
    4. Sugar Honeyovich
      Sugar Honeyovich 22 November 2018 13: 14
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      it was the Bolsheviks who applied chemical weapons to the population

      Just like the opponents of the Bolsheviks.
  11. alebor
    alebor 21 November 2018 10: 36
    +2
    I would especially like to note the humanism created by I.V. Stalin system. After all, not all traitors and enemies of the people were shot, many of those arrested were sent for reforging to the camps, where they came from other people, much better and more talented than they were before. Take, for example, the famous pests Korolev, Tupolev, Polikarpov, who after reforging turned into great designers. And who would they be if they were not arrested on time? So they would remain the enemies of the people, bringing the people some troubles. And there are many such examples. In a word, if there were no pests and enemies of the people, they would have to be invented! - since a person who is in constant fear of arrest is much more responsible about his work and builds a brighter future much more successfully, and a person who is afraid for his life is able to show such labor enthusiasm as is impossible under capitalism, where everything is for money.
    1. Avior
      Avior 21 November 2018 10: 43
      -2
      Some pests like Kleimenov and Langemak turned out to be incorrigible, they had to be shot, because of which the MLRS for the whole war had not been brought to mind and did not go from rail guides to tubular and rotating shells and had to be copied after the war between the Americans and the British.
      And with grenade launchers it didn’t work out in the war, although they were needed.
      1. chenia
        chenia 21 November 2018 17: 58
        0
        Quote: Avior
        never brought to mind


        That's what they shot for. Now this is called cutting dough (misuse of funds).
        For a long time, this is the only thing that the institute issued. and then never brought to mind[B] [/ b]
        1. Avior
          Avior 21 November 2018 19: 30
          -3
          there was no one to bring, they shot them, those who were lucky, put ....
          Usually, if a person does not cope with the work, they fire him and take another.
          but this is not about Stalin's time ....
          1. chenia
            chenia 21 November 2018 20: 12
            0
            Quote: Avior
            Usually, if a person does not cope with the work, they fire him and take another.


            I agree cruelly, but the time is different (and time is running out, war is on the nose). And the guys widely announced that they would create something (there PC is one of the many projects) .. They spent a penny. but did not happen. Who's guilty?
            And they began to write on each other.

            But when complete irresponsibility is an example, Ukraine is a devastated economy. science, culture with accelerated extinction of the population.
            A catastrophe, but the damned Soviet past is to blame.
            1. Avior
              Avior 21 November 2018 20: 21
              -1
              yeah. RS was used for weapons, and its creators were shot at the same time.
              a common thing under Stalin.
              1. chenia
                chenia 21 November 2018 21: 31
                -1
                Quote: Avior
                RS was used,


                And they should (and promised something like a FAA to mold and spent the money on it). And the PC is very imperfect with ocherny dispersion. In principle, when they started to advance and knocked down from positions, they made the Germans openly located, the effect was. In general, the presently finalized MLRS after the war.

                The missile development began when the Germans spied a fuel pump (FAU 2) ..
                1. Avior
                  Avior 21 November 2018 21: 46
                  -4
                  They studied the latest technology at the time and no one could give any guarantees.
                  The inability of the Soviet government to organize normal systematic work with the assessment of intermediate results is the problem of the government, not of scientists.
                  In 1937, Langemak and the directors I.T. Kleimenov presented government awards for the development of new types of weapons.
                  And by the end of the same 1937 - was arrested.
                  They simply were not allowed to finish the job.
                  But others lost the desire to do something risky and new. Only proven solutions with a minimum of novelty.
                  So they had to borrow rocketry from the Germans, nuclear weapons from the Americans, and jet aircraft to start with the engine, which Mikoyan won in billiards (if not a bike, of course).
                  Thanks to Comrade Stalin for this. Well, not everyone at the Jet Institute was shot like spies. Otherwise, even with the development of the Germans there would be no one to figure it out.
                  1. chenia
                    chenia 21 November 2018 22: 48
                    +1
                    Quote: Avior
                    The inability of the Soviet government to organize normal systematic work with the assessment of intermediate results is the problem of the government, not of scientists.


                    Failure, but you are also a joker. So many various design bureaus began to work with us, and factories were tied to them (especially in aviation).
                    But when the guys take increased obligations, and they are not fulfilled, then do not complain. While the GIRD worked for the idea, they did not touch them, and when they started to develop the budget, they had to answer (money was taken from the people), and a sharp improvement in the material situation of those involved should be accompanied by results, not promises.

                    And how the current top-managers work without "pressure" can be seen from the result (there is no desire to spread examples).
                    Well, research teams, it’s always a can with spiders, or a pack of comrades. And how they framed each other (you will find examples yourself).
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 21 November 2018 22: 52
                      -2
                      with normally organized work, they would be fired if they thought that they were working incorrectly.
                      And in the area in which they worked, in principle, there could be no guarantees.
                      Repression at the institute hurt all Soviet developments in this field, I wrote above.
                      1. chenia
                        chenia 21 November 2018 23: 49
                        -1
                        Quote: Avior

                        with normally organized work they would be fired

                        But now few people are fired for a failed program, written off as having lost their relevance (with the entire budget). And immediately a new project, an announcement, comes up. advertising, presentations, champagne splashes, cartoons, etc.
                        Everyone is happy, everyone is doing business. the hand of the giver has not dried up.

                        Actually, I’m not so bloodthirsty, but given the time when there is little money (but it’s tolerable, the state will find it by tightening its belts), but most importantly the time is running out, I can understand the reaction as top management. and less leaders (those also answered with their heads).
                        There is success — a chest in crosses (a stream of rewards, privileges and benefits), no head in the bushes (GULAG, sharazhka, or even a wall).

                        Specially, no one wanted to spread rot.
                      2. Avior
                        Avior 22 November 2018 00: 02
                        -2
                        then not only funds but also specialists were few in this area.
                        but it became even smaller, and those who stayed preferred not to take risks, but to do something simpler, with a guaranteed result.
                        and this is not only the missile defense concerns.
                        In all areas.
    2. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 21 November 2018 11: 25
      -2
      Quote: alebor
      Take, for example, the famous pests Korolev, Tupolev, Polikarpov, who after reforging turned into great designers.

      Are you so joking, I hope?
      Quote: alebor
      since a person who is in constant fear of arrest is much more responsible about his work and builds a brighter future much more successfully, and a person who is afraid for his life is able to show such labor enthusiasm as is impossible under capitalism, where everything is for money.

      Why, then, under capitalism, where everything is for money, the standard of living is higher than where people constantly live in fear?
      1. Avior
        Avior 21 November 2018 11: 43
        0
        On the Internet, such instances can be found that sarcasm just right mark a special sign ....
    3. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 21 November 2018 11: 43
      +1
      Quote: alebor
      Take, for example, the famous pests of Korolev,

      Quote: alebor
      after reforging turned into great designers

      No, Korolev became them after being kicked in the head with boots and interrupted his jaw. This is following your logic. I suggest you repeat this trick and add to your mind. Let them kick you on the head, and then for five years, it will definitely help.
      1. Avior
        Avior 21 November 2018 12: 07
        -2
        you got excited, it was a clear sarcasm of the author hi
        1. Hole puncher
          Hole puncher 21 November 2018 13: 19
          0
          Quote: Avior
          you got excited, it was a clear sarcasm of the author hi

          Duc is not pronounced ... Therefore, I did not understand.
    4. Olgovich
      Olgovich 21 November 2018 13: 34
      0
      Quote: alebor
      I would especially like to note the humanism created by I.V. Stalin system. After all, not all traitors and enemies of the people were shot, many of those arrested were sent for reforging to the camps, where they came from other people, much better and more talented than they were before.

      and here is another game (delirium) of other words and you will not pick up:
      September 20, 1931 at the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) considered the question of design bureaus. It was decided to leave them at the OGPU

      On September 7, 1931, Kaganovich was informed that the design bureaus at the OGPU were created and are working in Moscow, Leningrad, Zap. Siberia, Rostov-on-Don.

      The note indicated that in design bureaus work: 74 spies; 9 terrorists; 98 heads of organizations; 44 saboteurs; 14 members of industrial parties; 184 counterrevolutionaries.
      AP RF - F.3. - Op. 58 - D.374, l. 152-156

      it's beyond the bounds of reason in general ....
  12. Ural resident
    Ural resident 21 November 2018 10: 57
    +1
    The content of the article reminds me of the "Skripals case" in some way, just the opposite. Having revealed the meaning of the title in the article, the author suggests only one thought: another crime of Stalin. Although it is unlikely that Stalin himself ran looking for every traitor to his homeland. At that time there was a post-revolutionary "witch hunt". The white movement was branded forever. Even in my childhood we were taught how bad whites are - I remember as a child I hated the White Guards for how they mocked good honest kind and noble Reds.
    All of the listed facts of alleged acts of sabotage were the justification for mass repressions. On far-fetched pretexts, it was "allowed" to seize anyone without trial and investigation, and this did not even reach Moscow, decisions in peacetime were passed by military tribunals on the ground, for counter-revolutionary activities, and what they wrote in their reports - you just wonder where we got from in our country millions of terrorists took over, disguised as ordinary workers, teachers and doctors.
    Most of the "ideological justification literature" was published in the same years, it would be strange to see other literature in this period. A pretext was created for reprisals against the unwanted, which was done. After that, weak purges began in the NKVD itself. As a result, Stalin was practically alone by 1941. Well done - defeated everyone. I doubt millions of emigrants were planning to blow up bridges and poison food. Who cares to read the diaries, but not Denikin's, but ordinary people, they are not in stores, but you can search - relatives publish.
  13. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 21 November 2018 11: 31
    +3
    However, as objective research shows, which began to make its way from the 2000s, the repressions had a very real basis.

    Another fabulous opus of Samsonov.

    Repressions against Soviet scientists, designers, engineers - who had a distant relation to both material values ​​and politics - somehow this does not fit into the picture of the world of Mr. Samsonov.
    Come up with a conspiracy of the military and repress the highest command.
    It’s easier to blame everything on the mysterious masters of the West and the fifth column ... it’s easier, you don’t have to think, everything is explained by a mythical conspiracy.
    1. tank64rus
      tank64rus 21 November 2018 16: 44
      -1
      Why mythical. The conspiracy was because it could not be. This always follows a change in any social order. Moreover, usually the closest associates or entire groups exposed by the authorities participate. They will always think they are worthy of complete power. And our nomenclature here, as they say, is in complete order. And there were as many as three groups, two military men. Tukhachevsky, even his comrades-in-arms called him openly "the red Napoleon" alluding to his predecessor, the Gamarnik group and the conspiracy of the party nomenclature of "red barons". All this was given an impetus by Stalin's proposal on the Constitution of 1936 to transfer power to the Soviets of People's Deputies. He perfectly understood how the party nomenclature would end up. And she ended with the 20th congress after that the USSR was doomed.
  14. Kolin
    Kolin 21 November 2018 12: 23
    +1
    It is not said about the role of reptilians with Nabir. Down!
  15. vladcub
    vladcub 21 November 2018 15: 40
    +1
    I respect Stalin as a STATE ACTOR, but I'm not going to shout now: "Hurray for Stalin, and even more so:" Atu him. "
    Let's figure it out: were there repressions? Were there excesses and who was to blame for them? I express my opinion.
    1) there was some kind of conspiracy and this is 100% not for the benefit of the state. Therefore, it was necessary to take some measures. It is impossible to say that the conspirators worked for dozens of intelligence services at once (this was such a "fashion"), but there were some contacts with 1 maximum of 2 intelligence services.
    2) what is the number of repressed is a moot point: it is beneficial for the opponents of Stalin to attribute extra zeros, and the opposite is beneficial for his supporters. I am not a historian and not for me to judge, and therefore I recommend reading the Kremlin and Yu. Zhukov. In my opinion, these are serious authors and they are trying to get to the truth.
    3) who is to blame? NS Khrushchev in 1956 decided: "Stalin is a byaka, and Beria is generally a devil in the human body. And if you look at that the greatest number of repressions fell on: Yagoda and Yezhov, and these" comrades "are very dubious. So Stalin can be accused of excessive credulity ? Most likely there was a whole complex: a conspiracy, a struggle in the party leadership (read about this in Kremlin), "Stakhanovism": "make * Urak pray to God." So I think about "Stalinist repressions" and "violations of Leninist norms" and why is there more?
    1. Mcar
      Mcar 21 November 2018 17: 09
      -11
      Quote: vladcub
      So I think about the "Stalinist repressions"

      In general, you think correctly - balanced, reasonable. That's what most people think.
      1. Vladimir K.
        Vladimir K. 23 November 2018 05: 32
        -1
        "That's pretty much what the majority thinks." - conducted a survey of the majority? What is your manner of presenting your "objective" opinion as the point of view of the majority? This is some kind of infantilism. Be more balanced in your judgment.
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          1. kalibr
            kalibr 23 November 2018 22: 34
            -2

            Here it is the majority. Muzzle brick asks!
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 22 November 2018 07: 33
      +1
      Quote: vladcub
      1) there was some kind of conspiracy and this is 100% not good for the state. Therefore, it was necessary to take some measures.

      If it is reasonable to approach, the process over this level the conspirators last .... ONE day, on the same day they were shot. This is normal? fool
      Quote: vladcub
      2) what is the number of repressed is a moot point: it is beneficial for the opponents of Stalin to attribute extra zeros, and the opposite is beneficial for his supporters.

      Which of the Bolsheviks disputes the 700 executed and millions deported and dispossessed, millions who died of starvation? None. They talk another thing, that it’s NORMAL, That’s NOT OK, it was NEVER in the world and nothing can justify it.
      Quote: vladcub
      Most likely there was a whole complex: a conspiracy, a struggle in the party leadership (read about this in Kremlin), "Stakhanovism": "make * urak pray to God." So I think about "Stalinist repressions" and "violations of Leninist norms" and what is there yet?

      There was NO NORMAL power and life: elections, newspapers, parties, dissent, freedom, which led to the Middle Ages. In Russia, RI was not even mentioned freedom
      1. Vladimir K.
        Vladimir K. 23 November 2018 05: 29
        -1
        "In Russia, RI, there was no such thing, there was freedom." Who had the freedom? The priest or the landowner? Or a soldier, who until the February Revolution was forbidden to walk on the sidewalk, ride a tram, and even defend himself, turn away from the kulaks of some non-commissioned officer. Maybe the peasants had freedom, their own land, the opportunity to work for themselves and their families? But no - as a result of the reform of 1861, the majority were not given land, they were not released from corvee, rent and church tithes, and even the nascent world-eating tribe of kulaks was put on their necks - excellent freedom. Enough to sing hosanna to a "crispy French bun" - no more than 5% of the population could crunch it, and so that they could do it, about 80% lived not just in poverty, but in poverty.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 23 November 2018 09: 06
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir K.

          "In Russia, RI, there was no such thing, there was freedom." Who had the freedom?

          for all subjects, see constitution of the RI election. meetings, processions. newspapers. party. humanity of court and punishment.
          Quote: Vladimir K.
          Maybe the peasants had freedom, their own land, the opportunity to work for themselves and their family?

          Of course, unlike slavery collective farms. from which people fled like hell from incense ..
          Quote: Vladimir K.
          Enough to sing hosanna to a "crispy French bun" - no more than 5% of the population could crunch it, and so that they could do it, about 80% lived not just in poverty, but in poverty.

          99 percent lived in poverty, only 40 years after 1913 they reached its level of consumption. uh achievements, yes .... - report to the CSU of the USSR. 1955
          1. Sugar Honeyovich
            Sugar Honeyovich 23 November 2018 13: 43
            -1
            Only these 99% of compatriots seem to think differently. Regarding what is consumption, what is freedom ...
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 24 November 2018 08: 52
              0
              Quote: Sahar Medovich
              Only these 99% of compatriots seem to think differently. Regarding what is consumption, what is freedom ...

              who authorized you to speak on their behalf?

              parties are different. newspapers are different, elections are from different, freedom of thought, assembly, shetviy is the basis of NORMAL life.
              with you this was not in sight
              1. Sugar Honeyovich
                Sugar Honeyovich 25 November 2018 07: 39
                0
                And I do not speak on their behalf. They speak for themselves. On June 21, in "Reaction" on NTV, 94% of the voters wished to return to Soviet times ...
  16. tank64rus
    tank64rus 21 November 2018 16: 29
    +1
    And that's what happened. The "elite" first tried to betray the country in 1941, but Stalin and his associates prevented it. The regular army was defeated. But the country managed to defend, although it was worth the incredible price. But 50 years later, the traitors took revenge in 1991. Now we can all see what this led to.
  17. Griol
    Griol 21 November 2018 17: 18
    -1
    Not a comment is appropriate here, but a diagnosis of a psychiatrist. Unfortunately, excuses for the genocide of the people have not been rare lately; this is one of the factors that characterize our time.
  18. Vladimir K.
    Vladimir K. 21 November 2018 18: 45
    0
    In general, I agree with the author. Here are just two points I would like to challenge his point of view. Firstly, there is not and cannot be any kind of world mafia, there is simply a partly innate tendency in some people for material gain and for power (for the sake of power) - in calm times for the state, these citizens, very often being excellent careerists, fill the top power, first paralyzing it, and then falling apart with the country. And secondly, the idea of ​​the Iron Curtain belonged precisely to the opponents of Stalin and the USSR, who tried to hide the truth about the world's first socialist state from the eyes and ears of their electorate, so that it would be more impudent, more deceitful to defame our country and the Soviet system, which represented more than a real threat to the then hegemony of world capital.
    1. Mcar
      Mcar 22 November 2018 22: 22
      -9
      Quote: Vladimir K.
      ... there is not and cannot be any world mafia ...

      For example, how is formed world gold price? We are told tales about supply and demand, but in reality everything is different. Five people call up twice a day and agree on a price. Isn't that a mafia?

      If you imagine the world mafia as dashing guys without a miss shooting from the hip, then, of course, there is no world mafia.
      If we understand the world mafia as a conspiracy of transnational corporations, then, of course, there is a world mafia.

      Quote: Vladimir K.
      ... the idea of ​​the Iron Curtain belonged precisely to the opponents of Stalin and the USSR, who tried to hide as far as possible from the eyes and ears of their electorate the truth about the world's first socialist state, so that it could more impudently, more deceitfully defame our country and the Soviet system, which was more than real a threat to the then hegemony of world capital.

      Very accurately said!
      We tried not to let their bad example come to us, and they tried not to let our good example go to us.
      1. Vladimir K.
        Vladimir K. 23 November 2018 05: 14
        0
        "If we understand the world mafia as a conspiracy of transnational corporations, then, of course, there is a world mafia." - a private conspiracy of interested parties on any particular case does not yet imply the existence of a mafia, especially a global one, if we represent it as a single structure with a clear hierarchy and a single (albeit collegial) leadership. Mafia is a symbiosis of criminals, business and politicians, designed to make profit by circumventing the current legislation, built on the principle of a pyramid with a clear hierarchy and led by specific citizens. Such organizations cannot be global, occupying only a certain part of the illegal market in a certain territory and will always compete (cartel negotiate or fight depending on current interests) with the same neighboring structures. And what you have described is essentially not entirely legitimate stock speculation. What kind of mafia is this? Business, just capitalist business.
  19. wooja
    wooja 21 November 2018 19: 02
    -2
    If we remove the aspirations about honest communists and communism, then we can skip reading beyond the first 2 paragraphs. All participants in the revolution were associated with "world capital"., And those who joined later really wanted to get in touch ...., under the guise of beautiful words there was an ordinary fight for power and money, as a result, a fighting draw Stalin gets power in Russia, but flies by money in the west ..., I had to spin ... the struggle of the Chekists with the party members is very similar to the 90s, but much angrier. The losers in this fight became the 5th column ... and, as always, a lot of people fell under the distribution ...
    1. Vladimir K.
      Vladimir K. 23 November 2018 05: 21
      0
      "All the participants in the revolution were associated with" world capital "." - you assert this stupidity on the basis of what? You are making a statement of "cosmic scale and cosmic stupidity"! Advice to you: avoid categorical wordings like: everything (in the sense, all without exception), no one, no when, etc., so as not to look just stupid. Well, since we started, give the studio proof of the connection with "world capital", for example, Lenin, or Stalin, or Kamo or Dzerzhinsky - just don't replicate pseudoscientific "proofs" of liberal and pro-monarchist "historians". Not a single FACT of receiving money from German or British or any other intelligence services, headquarters, governments or their representatives addressed to the characters I have listed has so far, despite the efforts of a bunch of historians, not been found.
    2. Sugar Honeyovich
      Sugar Honeyovich 23 November 2018 13: 46
      0
      Quote: wooja
      All participants in the revolution were associated with "world capital"

      Probably, this was what the late V. Novodvorskaya meant, saying: "Lenin said bluntly:" The capitalists will not just sell us a rope on which we hang them - they will give us credit for it! "
  20. kalibr
    kalibr 21 November 2018 21: 16
    -2
    Quote: chenia
    BEAT DETERMINES CONSCIOUSNESS

    Cattle!
    1. chenia
      chenia 22 November 2018 11: 02
      0
      Quote: kalibr
      Cattle!


      Well, in people, this is probably consciousness, duty, honor, conscience.
      And who is broadcasting this to us?
      Former fighter of the ideological front. The truth is unexpectedly fighting in the enemy (ideological) ranks.
      And what did your past beliefs take (well, they should have been)?

      Gingerbread man.

      Carrot, stick, setting (ideological, psychological, etc. forming consciousness and motives) is the way to manage people (they always work in unity).

      But the prevailing choice of tools determines the appropriate environment.

      And then the time was such that the whip was the most effective.
  21. Xazarin
    Xazarin 22 November 2018 02: 51
    -1
    I read the fourth year of commentary, and this is what I understood, God forbid another revolution and we will cut each other to the root.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 22 November 2018 09: 46
      -1
      Quote: Xazarin
      we cut each other at the root.

      will not be like that No.
      there is a great historical experience.
  22. Larum
    Larum 22 November 2018 09: 17
    -2
    The article is blah blah. Philosophical reflections without special facts.
    And although he defeated the column, but obviously there was a shot from the cannon over the worbies.
    As evidenced by the fate of many NKVDshnikov, SMERSHnikov, others, and the history of rehabilitation.
    1. Rakti-kali
      Rakti-kali 22 November 2018 10: 39
      -1
      Quote: Larum
      and the history of rehabilitation.

      The rehabilitation of the so-called repressed was carried out with violations of all conceivable laws and orders, instead of reviewing the cases on the merits, the decision was simply made to rehabilitate the criminal convicts No. xxxxxxx - zzzzzzz.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 22 November 2018 11: 02
        -1
        Quote: Rakti-Kali
        The rehabilitation of the so-called repressed was carried out with violations of all conceivable laws and orders, instead of reviewing the cases on the merits, the decision was simply made to rehabilitate the criminal convicts No. xxxxxxx - zzzzzzz.

        The punishment of innocent people was carried out in violation of ALL laws then existing in the USSR. What is confirmed by the USSR Armed Forces.

        if it doesn’t, then today everywhere and in the world and in the country, if it turns out that during the conviction at least something was not in accordance with the law, the decision is canceled. regardless of being.
        The merits of the case are then already the subject of ANOTHER proceedings. But no one in the Prosecutor's Office sees the "essence of the matter" anymore (there must also be grounds for this).
        1. Rakti-kali
          Rakti-kali 22 November 2018 11: 21
          0
          Quote: Olgovich
          The punishment of innocent people was carried out in violation of ALL laws then existing in the USSR. What is confirmed by the USSR Armed Forces.

          if it doesn’t, then today everywhere and in the world and in the country, if it turns out that during the conviction at least something was not in accordance with the law, the decision is canceled. regardless of being.

          Firstly, you are raving because you can only find out that the conviction was not in accordance with the law by reviewing the case:
          and. From the point of view of the procedural rules in force at the time of the conviction;
          b. Essentially
          Secondly, the assessment of procedural actions during rehabilitation was also not carried out.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 22 November 2018 12: 06
            -2
            Quote: Rakti-Kali
            Firstly, you are raving because you can only find out that the conviction was not in accordance with the law by reviewing the case:

            You rave in the first and tenths:
            the so-called convicting bodies were found to be ILLEGAL. Correspondingly, everything that they dribbled-nonsense a priori. What's not clear? belay
            you will be condemned by a trio of neighborly drunks for "murder. It is necessary to deal with your murder or, all the same, with drunks, eh?

            Then respect Legislation of RUSSIA and the USSR:
            Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR "On Additional Measures to Restore Justice in Relation to Victims of Repressions in the Periods of the 30s and 40s and the Beginning of the 50s"

            16th of January 1989
            1. Condemn Extrajudicial Mass Repression the period of Stalinism, declare unconstitutional operating in the 30s – 40s and early 50s “Troika” of the NKVD — UNKVD, collegiums of the OGPU and “special meetings” of the NKVD — MGB — Ministry of Internal Affairs USSR and reverse their extrajudicial decisionsnot canceled by the time of the publication of this Decree by the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. To consider all citizens who were repressed by the decisions of these bodies, including those subsequently convicted of escaping from places of illegal special settlements, rehabilitated.

            chop a bundle on your nose! yes
            1. Mcar
              Mcar 22 November 2018 21: 26
              -13
              Quote: Olgovich
              the so-called convicting bodies were found to be ILLEGAL. Correspondingly, everything that they dribbled-nonsense a priori. What's not clear?

              This is what I like - "recognized". By whom?

              For a quarter of a century it has been "recognized" that the Afghan war is a black spot on the body of Russia. And now it is "recognized" that it is not, that it is not a stain at all, but on the contrary - well done.
              Maybe I'm original, but I never considered this war a mistake. Despite the fact that it was "recognized", I did not consider it.
              And you, apparently, learn your opinion from the TV.

              Quote: Olgovich
              you will be condemned by a trio of neighboring drunks for "murder. It is necessary to deal with your murder or, all the same. With drunks, eh?"

              You clearly remembered this from what you learned from me about what court was in the Republic of Ingushetia for low-class citizens, i.e. for 80%. I am very pleased. )))

              Soviet power in the Stalin era, unlike the current one, was able to admit its mistakes. Even on the false liberal Wikipedia you can read the following:

              Most members of the triples were repressed after 1938. In a joint decision of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR, it was noted that as a result of simplified investigation "NKVD workers completely abandoned intelligence work"that in the work of the "triples" took place “Irresponsible attitude to the investigative proceedings and gross violation of the procedural rules established by law”, a number of former NKVD officers “They deliberately perverted Soviet laws, committed fraud, falsified investigative documents, criminalized them and arrested them on trifling grounds and even without any reason created“ cases ”against innocent people with a provocative purpose, and at the same time took all measures to in order to shelter and save their partners in criminal anti-Soviet activity from defeating ”.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 23 November 2018 07: 59
                +1
                Quote: McAr
                This is what I like - "recognized". By whom?

                The USSR Armed Forces above authority NO.
                Quote: McAr
                You clearly remembered this from what you learned from me about what court was in the Republic of Ingushetia for low-class citizens, i.e. for 80%. I am very pleased.

                belay lol laughing I agree to the Russian justice, as to the moon.
                Quote: McAr
                Soviet authority in the Stalin era, unlike the present, was able to recognizebe your mistakes.


                Liar, tell us about the recognition, for example, of the famine of 1933: officially NOT ONE man died of hunger, and the peasants became RESPECTED people in 1933 (Secretary General of 1933). So explain how wealthy people died of hunger.
            2. Vladimir K.
              Vladimir K. 23 November 2018 05: 03
              -2
              What you are citing is a political act, the purpose of which was to denigrate first that period of the existence of the USSR and its then leaders, and then the entire history of the USSR, and not legal proof. In this presidium "by chance" there were no outspoken, as it turned out later, traitors to their country and essentially anti-communists, such as Yakovlev, Shevardnadze, Gorbi and others? The troikas, which consisted not of "neighbor drunks", but, as a rule, of one representative of the prosecutor's office, one representative of the NKVD organs and one with a judicial mantle, were absolutely legal at that time and their actions, powers were completely regulated by the then law, which, of course however, it did not exclude abuse and mistakes due to the not always high qualifications of the members of those triplets, for which they, if mistakes and sins surfaced, were fully responsible, in contrast, for example, to today, when a corrupt, compromised judge is at most that they will be fired without even taking away their pension. So do not wave your Russophobic, anti-Soviet propaganda campaigns - wipe them off. History will still say its weighty word and the members of the Presidium of the USSR Armed Forces who wrote this will be on a par with all sorts of Vlasov, Red, Kolchak and other scoundrels who betrayed their homeland to please its direct enemies.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 23 November 2018 08: 47
                +1
                Quote: Vladimir K.
                What you cite is a political act whose purpose was to denigrate at first the period of the existence of the USSR and its then leaders, and then the entire history of the USSR, and not legal evidence

                This is the LAW. Acting. by the way. You must respect him. Do not like it, dispute it. change.
                but no one will change: give yourself to the top three? Or want a lawyer, defense, CPC?
                hypocrisy rolls over .....
                1. Vladimir K.
                  Vladimir K. 23 November 2018 09: 23
                  -2
                  I would not want to give myself and our current court with its less than 1% acquittal. In this sense, the Stalinist triples with a percentage of excuses of an average of about 25 are much more humane. Is it your hypocrisy and hopeless obstinacy, bordering on stupidity, rolls over? Before judging something, get acquainted in more detail with the question on which you dare to give definitive answers.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 23 November 2018 11: 04
                    +2
                    Quote: Vladimir K.

                    I would not want to give myself and our current court with its less than 1% acquittal.

                    do not bother your head, but answer directly: you are a 15-minute three without protection. process, without appeals with immediate execution or trial with all artibuts UPK?
                    Hypocrite.....
                    Quote: Vladimir K.
                    In this sense, the Stalinist triples with a percentage of excuses of an average of about 25 are much more humane.

                    they are not humane. inhumane- they are UNLAWFUL according to the laws of the USSR of the 1930s. It is legally recognized FACT.
                    Three drunks from the gateway will justify even more.
        2. Mcar
          Mcar 22 November 2018 21: 43
          -15
          Quote: Olgovich
          if it doesn’t, then today everywhere and in the world and in the country, if it turns out that during the conviction at least something was not in accordance with the law, the decision is canceled. regardless of being.

          And is that good in your opinion? Everything is true according to the law, but honestly?

          Is it wise to release the offender red-handed on the grounds that during his arrest his rights were not accurately read?

          How, for example, did terry criminals get into political ones? Very simple. Serving the punishment, the criminal refuses work. You know, probably, that for lawyers this is a bastard - you cannot work. A commission arrives. Refuse to work? So we write: sabotage. And this is article 58.
          Years passed. Khrushchev and Gorbachev rehabilitation. Open case: 58, sabotage - refused to work. Well, how can a person be considered a criminal for such a trifle? Rehabilitate! And the fact that this is a bandit - there is nowhere to put samples, nobody cares. Tell me, in relation to those whom this bandit robbed, robbed, etc. Isn't such rehabilitation blasphemy? Or are his victims not insects?
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 23 November 2018 08: 51
            0
            Quote: McAr
            And is that good in your opinion? Everything is true according to the law, but honestly?

            Whose conscience? belay yours. mine Chekatilov? Who will determine. Conscience is more conscientious7 the law, and there is a measure of everything. humanity has not yet come up with another.
            ps you are like from kindergarten. request
      2. Larum
        Larum 22 November 2018 11: 02
        +1
        Always the same? There were several waves in Frederick, starting at 38 and 93rd.
        And at all "with violations of all conceivable laws and orders, ..."?
        And, as they wrote, real spies / saboteurs were not rehabilitated, as well as real mowing-up soldiers ...
        1. Rakti-kali
          Rakti-kali 22 November 2018 11: 22
          -1
          Quote: Larum
          Always the same? There were several waves in Frederick, starting at 38 and 93rd.
          And at all "with violations of all conceivable laws and orders, ..."?

          Almost all rehabilitation after 1991 was carried out with violations.
          1. Larum
            Larum 22 November 2018 15: 29
            0
            These are the leftovers, yes, they could ..
            Although the spies and the military, I read, still not allowed ...
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 22 November 2018 12: 24
      -3
      All articles of this cycle, blah - blah - blah, found an ideal power, under which: starting from 1917 there was a civil war, the loss of an area of ​​5 million square kilometers, the shameful reparations of Germany - Lev from a sealed carriage, did his best, for the good of his homeland, complete plunder the treasury, they stole all the gold, dragged everything: fluff, grain, ropes, wool, absolutely everything that had the slightest value further hunger, internecine Trotsky - Stalin and his comrades, the 28th abolition of the NEP, dispossession of kulaks, collectivization, the great migration of peoples - violent, the second famine - the most ambitious, repressions - the second internecine conflict between their own - the life of the Soviet people went up, on the scale of "joy" and "fun", the war with Finland, the war with the Japanese, the occupation of part of Poland, the Brest Peace, the "Non-aggression Pact" - friends ... War with the Forest Brothers in the Baltics from 40th to 53rd "The Great Patriotic War" - soldiers and officers are still being dug up and still people are undermined by the "gifts" of that time, after the 45th showdown with all the prisoners who, with one stroke of the pen, became traitors relatives, this is the same for the prisoners - they did not take into account the losses at all, as well as with the population of the territories of the USSR previously occupied by the Germans, the further development of concentration camps, the war with the army of bandits, starting from 43 years, until the 50th, for which it was necessary to involve army generals, again repression , the Doctors 'case, the Geologists' case and other delights of Bolshevism - how many people suffered and died from all this from the 17th to 53rd - we will never know, but several tens of millions - for sure, this was probably the bloodiest period in the entire history of the existence of Slavic civilization , we are digging bones to this day and we will be digging them for many years to come.
  23. Rakti-kali
    Rakti-kali 22 November 2018 11: 24
    0
    Quote: Larum
    And, as they wrote, real spies / saboteurs were not rehabilitated, as well as real mowing-up soldiers ...

    Because very resonant cases were reviewed in the required order. But any criminal riffraff was rehabilitated in batches.
  24. Bator
    Bator 22 November 2018 15: 06
    -1
    According to a certificate prepared in February 1954 by Prosecutor General R. Rudenko, Minister of Internal Affairs S. Kruglov and Minister of Justice K. Gorshenin, for the period from 1921 to February 1, 1954 he was convicted of counterrevolutionary crimes by the OGPU collegium, “triples "The NKVD, by the Special Meeting, the Military College, the courts and military tribunals of 3 people, including 777 people were sentenced to death. This is for thirty-one years. This is the end of the Civil War, this is the era after it. This is four years of a terrible war with Hitler. This is the period after the Second World War. This is a fight against gangs of Bandera and forest brothers. This includes Berry and Yezhov, and other bloody executioners. Here are the traitors of Vlasov. Here are deserters and looters. Self-shooters. Alarmists. Participants in the gangster underground. Nazi accomplices who shed blood. This is the "Leninist Guard", which destroyed a great country to the joy of the enemies of Russia. Here Zinoviev and Kamenev. Trotskyists in this number. Figures of the Comintern. Traitor and traitor Tukhachevsky, who was about to arrange a military coup. The executioner Bela Kun, thousands of drowning officers in the Crimea with stones on their necks. A multifaceted figure, polysyllabic. If you divide the total number of executed by the number of years, you will get less than 380 people a year. A lot of? Of course. But let’s not forget what years it was. And there are no tens of millions executed. This is exactly a deliberate lie. Remember this figure: 642 people. That was. It is necessary to know and remember
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 24 November 2018 09: 15
      0
      Quote: Bator
      But let’s not forget what years they were

      so it was not necessary to create such years. In the 18. 19. 20th century in Russia there were no such years and even days. they were created artificially by stupid and ignorant people.
      Quote: Bator
      Remember this number: 642 980 man

      no, dear, it won’t do that: 10 million civilian victims — before the BOR — she wasn’t. 13,5 million victims of hunger 22,33,47. 25 years .millions exiled to camps innocently and remaining there. millions of exiled peasants -600 died, of which 000% are children. millions of disfranchised. 80 years demographic catastrophe. extinction since 30. island of the cannibals Nazino, the Russian cross, where did you divide?
  25. ASASHOKA
    ASASHOKA 22 November 2018 16: 52
    -1
    It seems to me that this is an allegory article. Stalin is an abstract figure here. Indeed, in fact, all those VICTIMS, from which the author "asks" to get rid of, absolutely do not need to be tied to the name of any statesman or party leader of those or those times. Everyone needs to look at the essence of what is happening then and now, make an analysis, but just look not eye to eye, but strongly above the situations, globally. Then you can see everything and connections, analogies, chains, links, and, of course, unambiguously define the concepts of "good" and "bad". But not everyone is given this, not everyone is ready to do it, casting aside modern mercantilism. Well, whoever can - will understand the essence of what is happening then and now.
  26. nezvaniy_gost
    nezvaniy_gost 22 November 2018 21: 48
    +3
    I’m wondering, Academician Vavilov, who was he? Thief, fifth column, traitor of the motherland?
    1. Vladimir K.
      Vladimir K. 23 November 2018 04: 51
      -1
      Victim of intrigue. There have been such.
      1. nezvaniy_gost
        nezvaniy_gost 23 November 2018 10: 33
        +2
        ?? Georgy Zhzhenov, Korolev, Tupolev, Gumilyov, Fedorova ... the case of doctors, the cause of the industrial party and many, many, many people simply unknown to us.
  27. wooja
    wooja 23 November 2018 17: 26
    -1
    Stalin did not defeat the 5th column ..... sad but the author lies
  28. kalibr
    kalibr 23 November 2018 22: 22
    +1
    Quote: chenia
    And then the time was such that the whip was the most effective.

    For cattle, it is always more effective, I do not argue! Because he is cattle and cattle!
  29. kalibr
    kalibr 23 November 2018 22: 25
    +2
    Quote: Bator
    Remember this number: 642 980 people. It was. It is necessary to know and remember

    And how many have not yet been sentenced to death, but ... died of hunger, cold, excessive labor, etc. ...? Not doomed to death, but still dead.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 24 November 2018 09: 20
      +1
      Quote: kalibr
      And how many have not yet been sentenced to death, but ... died of hunger, cold, excessive labor, etc. ...? Not doomed to death, but still dead

      yes for them it’s little things .... like that. what. just 47 years after the start of their power. happy people started to die out ....from happiness. apparently ....
  30. wooja
    wooja 24 November 2018 09: 28
    +1
    with all due respect to Comrade Stalin, the work to liquidate the 5th column was failed, the author tries to justify the impotence of organs, a mess in ideological work, the struggle of clans and groups in the ruling party ... monstrous miscalculations before the war, in the war and after, and as a result, the collapse of the USSR
  31. Eirik Krause
    Eirik Krause 26 November 2018 00: 29
    +1
    Stalin certainly thinned the Trotskyists notably, but in the end they won
  32. Alex
    Alex 2 December 2018 19: 15
    0
    But this is only one of the threats to Soviet Russia. There were also basmachi, and nationalists - Western Ukraine, Balticand the Trotskyists, and military conspirators, and a foreign terrorist threat.
    After such a pearl, it is no longer worth reading.
  33. Alexander X
    Alexander X 24 December 2018 18: 32
    0
    Great article! And so that false liberals do not yell, no matter how distorted the history, and however much they tarnish the image of Stalin, truth is visible to thinking people.
  34. evgeny68
    evgeny68 26 January 2019 19: 19
    0
    Bravo author. Very little factual material about the causes of the repression. Most likely, the Jewish international still exists, because there are very few materials on Stalin’s cleaning of the highest echelons of power in the USSR from Jews; this is hushed up as the materials from the book are hushed up and ignored by the protocols of the Zion wise men. This is not surprising, because now the world is owned by the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Oppenheimers, Dupons, etc. also not Russian or English. World global Jewish capital sat on the neck of the nations of the world, hung its legs and revels in its power. The USA is a modern Khazaria, a hired army with a huge budget that protects Jewish capital around the world.
  35. vik669
    vik669 29 January 2019 12: 43
    0
    Yes, the last optimizer died in 1953 and now they are tweeting and optimizing everything and everywhere the granddaughters of whom he did not manage to optimize are a pity!