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Mystery of repression

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New Soviet reality, civilization created recently. She just had to materialize, become a full-fledged world. And for this it was necessary to actively fight with internal and external enemies. It was impossible to give the old reality - the feudal, capitalist world, based on social injustice, parasitizing the few "elected" over the masses, to return, to subjugate the new world, the Soviet civilization. This meant an active struggle with internal and external enemies.


Obviously, this has become one of the priorities of Joseph Stalin and his government. In addition, an external threat was also associated with an internal threat. The masters of the West, the global mafia, after failing to destroy Russian civilization and the Russian people by the hands of revolutionaries of Februaryists (Westernizers) and revolutionaries of internationalists, Trotskyists, relied on fascism and Nazism - the “brown and black plague”. The Nazis, the Nazis and the militarists were given the "green light" in Europe and the East. The young Soviet civilization was surrounded by enemies who clearly showed that they were planning to seize Russian territories: nationalist Finland, Pansky Poland, Romania, Germany, militaristic Japan, etc. The Western masters helped Hitler and the Nazis to come to power, to build the Third Reich charged “ onslaught to the East ”, in the Far East, the Japanese Empire was actively preparing for war with Russia-USSR. In the face of the ring of enemies, the Soviet Union was to become a single steel monolith, ready to repel the leading great powers of the West and the East.

It was also obvious that not only the spiritual and moral mobilization of the population is necessary, but the corresponding material support. It is impossible to give an appropriate rebuff to the enemy with bare hands, the defense potential meeting the challenges of the era is necessary. Need to create weapon victories - modern Tanks, airplanes, guns, ships, which will allow the new Soviet world, the super-civilization of the future, which for centuries has pulled ahead from the swamp and mud of the animal, predatory world, to repulse the predators and aliens of the West and East who want to enslave, rob and destroy Russia. It was necessary to create a material support - a powerful industry, energy, military-industrial complex, advanced industries - aircraft, machine building, shipbuilding, engine building, tractor-tank building, rocket science, in order to speak the old world in a language that is accessible to him - the language of power. It was precisely this super task that the industrial policy of the new Russian empire, the Soviet, was devoted to. It was to her that science and the education system and the education system worked to a large extent. The second (or first) most important task of the USSR education and upbringing system was the creation of a new Soviet man — the creator, creator, hard worker, teacher and soldier. He was a man of the future society - a society of knowledge, creation and service, living on the basis of ethics of conscience and social justice.

It was these tasks that determined almost all aspects of the life of the Soviet, Stalinist empire. New Russian Empire, which took in the past all the best that was there (Alexander Nevsky, Dmitry Donskoy, Alexander Suvorov, Fedor Ushakov, Mikhail Lomonosov, Alexander Pushkin, Mikhail Lermontov, etc.), and with great strides went into the future.

Mystery of repression


Stalin understood everything perfectly. And he spoke about this to people in simple words. So, everything is perfectly said in the material “On the tasks of business executives: Speech at the First All-Union Conference of Socialist Industry Workers in February 4 of 1931”. Stalin told what is required of Russia and the people to flourish. First, “sufficient natural resources are required in the country: iron ore, coal, oil, bread, cotton. Do we have them? There is. There are more than in any other country. Take, for example, the Urals, which represents such a combination of wealth that cannot be found in any other country. ” We in Russia have everything for confident development, consistent improvement in the life of the people. That is, “on the part of natural wealth, we are fully provided. We have them even more than necessary. "

Second, the what is required is “the existence of such a power that would have the desire and strength to move the use of this enormous natural wealth to the benefit of the people” Then this power - the Soviet, was at the head of the country. Therefore, the Soviet Union and developed at an amazing pace, creating a civilization of the future, showing a positive example to all mankind. Now it's all the other way around, power is again among the predatory capitalists, the slave-owning oligarchs who are involved in creating the “new world order” - the global “digital concentration camp”, the non-slave-owning civilization with the division of people into “chosen”, gentlemen and slaves-consumers, who are “state should not. In the hands of 1% of the population of Russia and almost all the national wealth, and they work not for the people, but for the owners of the West and the East, for the global mafia. Hence all the troubles of Russia and the people, both current and future. And then it will only get worse.

Third, It is required that “the authorities enjoy the support of millions of workers and peasants. Does our government enjoy such support? Yes, it does. All over the world you will not find another such power that would enjoy such support of the workers and peasants as the Soviet power enjoys. ” The present power, by deceiving and creating confusion, illusions, received the support of the people. But as the internal problems increase, the external threat to Russia increases, the mirage of a prosperous and “rising from its knees” Russia collapses. More and more people see that the capitalist and liberal power in Russia is leading the country to a catastrophe, a new turmoil, while the pace of embracing people is rapidly gaining momentum. Society disintegrated into a handful of gentlemen, the rich, a caste of "new nobles" who are allowed everything and the poor, destitute populace who have no future. Moreover, for the raw materials, colonial economy of Russia (as well as Ukraine) - the main part of the people is “superfluous”.

All this has already happened. Further, the Soviet leader Stalin shows the essence of the Western, predatory capitalist system, which was established in Russia in the 1990s. For the prosperity of the people, it is necessary “the existence of such a system that would be free from the incurable diseases of capitalism and which would give serious advantages over capitalism. Crisis, unemployment, waste, poverty of the masses - these are the incurable diseases of capitalism. Our system does not suffer from these diseases, because the power is in our hands, in the hands of the working class, because we conduct a planned economy, systematically accumulate resources and correctly distribute them among sectors of the national economy. We are free from the incurable diseases of capitalism. This is our difference, this is our decisive advantage over capitalism. See how the capitalists want to get out of the economic crisis. They reduce the maximum wages of workers. They reduce the maximum prices for raw materials. But they do not want to reduce the prices of mass-produced industrial and food products in any serious way. This means that they want to get out of the crisis at the expense of the main consumers of the goods, at the expense of the workers, at the expense of the peasants, at the expense of the working people. The capitalists hem the bitch on which they sit. And instead of getting out of the crisis, its aggravation is obtained, the accumulation of new prerequisites leading to a new, even more brutal crisis is obtained. ”

Nothing like? The typical policy of capitalists, oligarchies and plutocracy. Russia in the 1990-ies became part of the Western world - as a cultural and economic periphery and raw materials appendage, the market for, in the first place, various debris, such as poisoned, spoiled food. Hence all the current problems of Russia - the crisis, the degradation and extinction of the population, the poverty of the masses, the overconsumption of the rich, etc. And as the capitalists are trying to get out of the crisis - at the expense of the population, doing nothing for a fundamental reform of the system from above, but remnants of socialist achievements. That is, instead of getting out of the crisis, its aggravation, accumulation of new preconditions, which already lead to the collapse of the system, social catastrophe, confusion and external invasion, is obtained.

Stalin understood very well that the West, the capitalist system, is a predator, a murderer and a ghoul. He said this: “... the backward are beaten. But we do not want to be beaten. No, we do not want! History the old Russia was, by the way, that it was continuously beaten for backwardness ... For military backwardness, for cultural backwardness, for state backwardness, for industrial backwardness, for agricultural backwardness. They beat him because it was profitable and it went away with impunity. Remember the words of the pre-revolutionary poet: “You are poor, you are abundant, you are powerful, you are impotent, Mother Russia.” These words of the old poet are well memorized by these gentlemen. They beat and sentenced: “you are abundant” - therefore, it is possible to profit at your expense. They beat and sentenced: “you are miserable, powerless” - therefore, you can beat and rob you with impunity. Such is the law of the exploiters - to beat the backward and weak. The wolf's law of capitalism. You are backward, you are weak - it means you are wrong, therefore, you can be beaten and enslaved. You are powerful - then you are righttherefore, you must beware. That is why we cannot be left behind any longer ... now that we have overthrown capitalism, and we, the people have power, we have a fatherland and we will defend its independence. Do you want our socialist fatherland to be beaten and that it lose its independence? But if you do not want this, you must in the shortest possible time eliminate its backwardness and develop the true Bolshevik pace in the construction of its socialist economy. There are no other ways. That is why Lenin said on the eve of October: "Either death, or catch up and overtake the advanced capitalist countries."



We fell behind the advanced countries by 50 – 100 years. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or they will crush us. ”


Historical words! Extremely relevant today, in the era of globalization and digitalization. The daunting task is to overcome century-old backwardness in ten years with one jerk and repel an external threat. Then the Stalinist, Soviet Russia decided this task! How to solve the problem of dealing with the internal enemy.

To be continued ...
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  1. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 20 November 2018 05: 57
    -78
    The author cannot understand that, regardless of his opinion, a return to socialism-communism is impossible. Never. The last reserves of a bad experiment chasing Cuba and North Korea in agony. Therefore, shaking the air with curses against the capitalists is pointless.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 20 November 2018 06: 21
      +68
      It is never necessary to say "never" ... Yes, in that form, most likely it is not possible. But it is necessary to build a socially oriented society. And not a society divided in half. Yes, and J.V. Stalin's thesis that we must go the way for ten years, or we will be crushed, more important than ever.
      1. akunin
        akunin 20 November 2018 08: 02
        +10
        Quote: 210ox
        But a socially oriented society must be built

        question: who will build? it is necessary for the lower classes (we were sent far away), and above everything is normal and very good. An evolutionary path is not possible.
        1. Machito
          Machito 20 November 2018 11: 03
          +13
          Stalinist repression must be seen through the prism of preparing the country for WWII. The USSR won the war, took second place in the world among other countries, made a powerful economic breakthrough, etc. The achievements of the USSR can be enumerated endlessly.
          Today, Russia faces similar tasks. But we are capable, and especially our leadership, will cope with current tasks: a big question?
          1. akunin
            akunin 20 November 2018 11: 44
            +5
            Quote: Bearded
            But we are capable, and especially our leadership, will cope with current tasks: a big question?

            we are coping with current tasks (we are working diligently, we are not stealing), but the leadership is not coping accurately and there is no development strategy even for 5 years (I am silent about the national idea in general, the leadership cannot form an ideology) .What can we do without a strategy and a national idea?
          2. Alber
            Alber 20 November 2018 14: 52
            +11
            Quote: Bearded
            Stalinist repression must be seen through the prism of preparing the country for WWII. The USSR won the war, took second place in the world among other countries, made a powerful economic breakthrough, etc. The achievements of the USSR can be enumerated endlessly.
            Today, Russia faces similar tasks. But we are capable, and especially our leadership, will cope with current tasks: a big question?

            + Judge, send to zones, and shoot all those involved in the collapse of the country, the destruction of industry, agriculture, education, and now medicine with the pharmaceutical industry.
            1. your1970
              your1970 21 November 2018 18: 56
              0
              Quote: 210ox
              But it is necessary to build a socially oriented society. And not a society divided in half.
              - the problem is that society is divided in half on ANY question of the 20 century: revolution, Civil, Tsar, Lenin, Stalin, NEP, white, red, religion
              How can we cost a united society - even if, according to the meaning of the king (who died 100 years ago), there is no consensus ...
            2. Peter Ivanov
              Peter Ivanov 22 November 2018 00: 30
              +6
              I believe that during the Second Socialist Revolution, the Revolutionary Tribunal will be restored! All of those listed by you and others ..., of course, the people will condemn! BUT! Why shootings? Lifetime hard labor at the construction sites of the national economy (let them restore the destroyed factories and factories, build new industries, raise livestock and agricultural products), without the right to return - that’s the measure! And no loafers in labor camps - thieves in law! One absenteeism (disrespectful) is a warning with the announcement of the surname in the camp. The second absenteeism is the execution in front of the entire zone!
              And we will gradually pick out the fugitives, with folk means stolen from 1991 of the year abroad, with the return of all stolen goods! Experience is available!

              All Power to the Soviets!
              For the dictatorship of the proletariat!
              1. your1970
                your1970 22 November 2018 08: 22
                -1
                Quote: Pyotr Ivanov
                And we will gradually pick out the fugitives, with folk means stolen from 1991 of the year abroad, with the return of all stolen goods! Experience is available!
                -China was able to return less 1% for 4 years ....
                1. Peter Ivanov
                  Peter Ivanov 22 November 2018 12: 39
                  +1
                  The road will be mastered by the walking! The newly activated World System of Socialism is a Force, and this force must issue ultimatums to the capitalists !!! It is necessary and simply necessary to constantly accustom international capital to the idea that in time it will "move" to nowhere!
          3. Vadim237
            Vadim237 20 November 2018 17: 53
            -21
            The most significant achievement of the USSR is a manned flight into space in 61, the nuclear industry - this is where great achievements end and backwardness in the element base, civil engineering begins, huge spending on helping half of the world, a shortage of consumer goods, general disorder of the population of barracks and trailers, already built in 1934 - people still live in them and more than one generation has lived, complete censorship on everything - a chemical or nuclear accident happened - don't tell anyone anything, let them die and get poisoned, because in socialism everything should bloom and smell, only a few could go abroad, the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union is only old senile, who created a special caste of power - the young were not allowed and held on to their jobs to the last, the economy worked according to the principle "There is a plan, we will produce - don't give a damn that these goods are outdated, the main thing is to release" There are no private owners, for that is, lobbying of some KB institutions against others, constant postscripts all promising times the work was put on the shelf, and then in the 90s and 2000s they wondered why we do not have competitively capable civilian products: aircraft, engines, construction equipment, machines, machine tools, household appliances, tools - even clothing. Now, at least they have begun to create their own blessing, in all the above-mentioned spheres of consumer consumption, even if in cooperation with foreign manufacturers - so yes, our leadership, in spite of all the unpopular measures taken, is able to cope with current tasks, this is especially pronounced in agriculture.
            1. vvnab
              vvnab 21 November 2018 10: 20
              +11
              Quote: Vadim237
              The most significant achievement of the USSR is the flight of man into space in 61 years, the nuclear industry - this is where the great achievements end ...


              In 1961, the building of communism in the USSR ended. At the XNUMXnd Congress of the CPSU, the "dictatorship of the proletariat" was replaced by the "leading role of the party," the emerging new class of the bourgeoisie. The Novocherkassk execution of workers would be IMPOSSIBLE in a society building communism!
              1. Peter Ivanov
                Peter Ivanov 22 November 2018 00: 46
                +4
                Absolutely right! Partnomenclature N. Khrushchev, under his howls about the Stalinist terror, removed from the supervision of the KGB / Ministry of Internal Affairs / USSR Prosecutor's Office! The development of Marxism-Leninism practically stopped ... we simply emasculated and doctrinated it, the result was a declassified Soviet population by the end of the 80s with an effort to shortage goods and food products, almost unimpededly surrendered the gains and achievements of Socialism, and the USSR itself in 1991.
            2. victor50
              victor50 21 November 2018 14: 38
              +2
              Quote: Vadim237

              The most significant achievement of the USSR is the flight of man into space in 61 years, the nuclear industry - this is where the great achievements end and backwardness begins in the element base, civil engineering, huge expenses to help half the world

              Well, with what glasses do you need to look at the past and present to see this happen ?! request
              1. Peter Ivanov
                Peter Ivanov 22 November 2018 00: 49
                +4
                The second half of the 1980s, comrade, was not in vain !!! There are a great many such "views" from foreign heads and information centers today! These are the mainstays of the current capitalist regime of the Russian Federation!
            3. Peter Ivanov
              Peter Ivanov 22 November 2018 00: 37
              +3
              Computer in 1948, the first Pocket phone - 1967; atomic project (bomb / icebreaker "Lenin" / submarine); space in the broadest sense ("Lunokhod" / flyby and remote sensing of the moon of the Earth / Venus / Mars, etc. with drawing a degree grid of these celestial bodies); creation of air defense-missile defense of the country ... but you never know !!!!
          4. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 20 November 2018 21: 10
            +3
            Quote: Bearded
            Stalinist repression must be seen through the prism of preparing the country for WWII. The USSR won the war, took second place in the world among other countries, made a powerful economic breakthrough, etc. The achievements of the USSR can be enumerated endlessly.

            Stalin - I love!
        2. Campanella
          Campanella 21 November 2018 16: 04
          +2
          I also hoped for an evolutionary path, but it seems that without shaking the client will not do anything. This is how life is arranged.
      2. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 20 November 2018 09: 43
        -22
        Quote: 210ox
        But a socially oriented society is necessary to build.

        This is utopia. In the West, they are just trying to build it, but this only leads to an increase in the number of marginal parasites.
        1. Mcar
          Mcar 20 November 2018 13: 10
          0
          Quote: Puncher
          Quote: 210ox
          But a socially oriented society is necessary to build.

          This is utopia. In the West, they are just trying to build it, but this only leads to an increase in the number of marginal parasites.

          This is reality. And the only way to survive humanity. If it doesn’t work out, capitalism will become the grave digger of both civilization, and humanity, and the planet.

          They’re no longer trying - in the coming decades, social beggars throughout the capitalist world will shrink like shagreen skin until they completely disappear. Because there is no one to look back to - there is no Soviet Union. There are no great social achievements that hung over the capitalists like the sword of Damocles — they, the capitalists, introduced elements of social achievements only to prevent revolutions in themselves. Now there is no example on which they leveled. So the social. achievements - read the concessions of the capitalists to the working class are not needed.
        2. vvnab
          vvnab 21 November 2018 10: 15
          +4
          Quote: Puncher
          Quote: 210ox
          But a socially oriented society is necessary to build.

          This is utopia. In the West, they are just trying to build it, but this only leads to an increase in the number of marginal parasites.


          In the West, they are trying to build it on the basis of capitalism. Hence all the problems.

          Freeloaders are not needed in any society, society gets rid of them, one way or another. Under capitalism, through the marginalization and physical reduction of "superfluous" people, and under socialism - through their involvement in production processes.
          1. Katyusha
            Katyusha 21 November 2018 21: 31
            +1
            In the West, they are trying to build it on the basis of capitalism. Hence all the problems.

            On the basis of highly developed economic societies - this is a classic of Marxism, by the way.
            According to our classics - in a single society of the victorious proletarian dictatorship.
            And in the West, something like communism really happened, but this is mainly in individual countries due to financial neo-colonialism and indeed in the "marginal decline of civilization." Marginalization comes from a reorientation from the traditional faith to the belief of consumerism, plus a "return" from migrants from the former colonies.
            There are still socially oriented societies, but the world oligarchy of neocons is slowly trying to simmer all "economic inevitability".
            Socialism in Russia would be nice, but even there are no parties.
            And uncontrollable popular revolt is the Maidan, meaningless and merciless. First of all, to the Maidan.
        3. Campanella
          Campanella 21 November 2018 16: 09
          +5
          What kind of segregation? Marginals and parasites are not born they become. And if their number is growing, then these are obvious miscalculations of power and socialism have nothing to do with it. In the USSR, everyone worked and there were no such problems.
      3. Vend
        Vend 20 November 2018 09: 48
        -8
        Quote: 210ox
        It is never necessary to say "never" ... Yes, in that form, most likely it is not possible. But it is necessary to build a socially oriented society. And not a society divided in half. Yes, and J.V. Stalin's thesis that we must go the way for ten years, or we will be crushed, more important than ever.

        A return to socialism is possible only in one version: revolution, blood, civil war, economic downturn, devastation, and again from the bottom up. Who wants to plunge Russia into the dark?
        1. ruigat
          ruigat 20 November 2018 19: 07
          +7
          The oligarch of the Russian Federation. With his pension and other reforms, he is strenuously dragging the country to a new civil war.
          1. Ragoz
            Ragoz 21 November 2018 00: 32
            0
            ruigat (Yuri):
            I recall the proverb of the Soviet era (redone for the oligarchy in a modern way). Drag every nail from the people - you are the owner, not the guest.
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 20 November 2018 21: 12
          -1
          Quote: Wend
          A return to socialism is possible only in one version: revolution, blood,

          can a normal leader come ??
          1. Vend
            Vend 21 November 2018 16: 07
            0
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Quote: Wend
            A return to socialism is possible only in one version: revolution, blood,

            can a normal leader come ??

            What is this?
            1. Peter Ivanov
              Peter Ivanov 22 November 2018 00: 52
              +1
              New Lenin !!!
          2. arlekin
            arlekin 22 November 2018 01: 58
            +2
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Quote: Wend
            A return to socialism is possible only in one version: revolution, blood,

            can a normal leader come ??

            "And then the king will appear, and he will bring with him the Law and Justice, and will not know anything but the Truth, and he will Protect People with his Sword and Serve them with faith and truth." (C) Are you waiting for this, naive young man? lol
            I do not call for communism / socialism, he himself lived in the USSR enough not to have any illusions for them, but nevertheless:
            "No one will give us deliverance:
            Neither god, nor king, nor hero.
            We will achieve liberation
            With my own hand. "
        3. victor50
          victor50 21 November 2018 14: 41
          +2
          Quote: Wend
          Who wants to plunge Russia into the dark?

          Is it white and fluffy right now ?! Straight "bright" present! wink
          1. Vend
            Vend 21 November 2018 16: 07
            -4
            Quote: victor50
            Quote: Wend
            Who wants to plunge Russia into the dark?

            Is it white and fluffy right now ?! Straight "bright" present! wink

            Much lighter than 90's.
            1. victor50
              victor50 21 November 2018 16: 57
              +1
              Quote: Wend
              Much lighter than 90's.

              Maybe we will compare it with 1913, or with 1236, or with 1607? wink
              1. Vend
                Vend 21 November 2018 18: 21
                -1
                Quote: victor50
                Quote: Wend
                Much lighter than 90's.

                Maybe we will compare it with 1913, or with 1236, or with 1607? wink

                Lived would compare. And you see 90 e want to forget?
                1. victor50
                  victor50 22 November 2018 09: 52
                  +4
                  Quote: Wend
                  Lived would compare. And you see 90 e want to forget?

                  I want to live in a country in which people work not in order to survive, but in order to fulfill their dream (not related to devour), in which there are no beggars, in which the dignity of a person is determined not by the length of his yacht, the thickness of his wallet, or the size of the bill and a car brand, in which achievements are compared not with 90 for years and other misfortunes, but with the highest world ones (it is desirable to surpass them, for example, to plant apple trees on Mars first, as one dreamed of), in a country in which there is no need to be afraid of an external threat, but which and does not threaten anyone in a country cat Roy can be proud of as we are proud of the Soviet Union, which did not all have been so great as it should, but there was a desire to do even better.
                  Forget 90? But I am disgusted now.
                  1. Vend
                    Vend 22 November 2018 10: 02
                    -2
                    Quote: victor50
                    Quote: Wend
                    Lived would compare. And you see 90 e want to forget?

                    I want to live in a country in which people work not in order to survive, but in order to fulfill their dream (not related to devour), in which there are no beggars, in which the dignity of a person is determined not by the length of his yacht, the thickness of his wallet, or the size of the bill and a car brand, in which achievements are compared not with 90 for years and other misfortunes, but with the highest world ones (it is desirable to surpass them, for example, to plant apple trees on Mars first, as one dreamed of), in a country in which there is no need to be afraid of an external threat, but which and does not threaten anyone in a country cat Roy can be proud of as we are proud of the Soviet Union, which did not all have been so great as it should, but there was a desire to do even better.
                    Forget 90? But I am disgusted now.

                    Yes you are a dreamer. There are no such countries on earth laughing
                    1. victor50
                      victor50 22 November 2018 10: 15
                      -1
                      Quote: Wend
                      Yes you are a dreamer. There are no such countries on earth

                      And I didn’t say that there is! But I would really like it to be, and not some, but Russia!
                    2. Peter Ivanov
                      Peter Ivanov 22 November 2018 12: 47
                      +1
                      Mistake! Such a country was! Our Soviet Union!
                      1. Vend
                        Vend 22 November 2018 12: 51
                        -1
                        Quote: Peter Ivanov
                        Mistake! Such a country was! Our Soviet Union!

                        Mistake, the USSR has never been such a country.
                      2. Peter Ivanov
                        Peter Ivanov 22 November 2018 12: 53
                        +1
                        Bah! So you didn’t understand anything if you lived in the Union !? I grieve immensely !!!
                      3. Vend
                        Vend 22 November 2018 12: 57
                        -1
                        Quote: Peter Ivanov
                        Bah! So you didn’t understand anything if you lived in the Union !? I grieve immensely !!!

                        I lived in the USSR, in 90 and now, there is something to compare with and I can appreciate. And in addition to cheap sausage, I remember huge lines for this very sausage. So grieve for yourself at the mirror. laughing
                      4. victor50
                        victor50 22 November 2018 16: 18
                        +2
                        Quote: Wend
                        I lived in the USSR, in 90 and now

                        in the 90s of the USSR formally existed less than the 2s. In fact, he was gone! If only in 90, then you did not live in the USSR! Very sorry! And it is very unfortunate that you undertake to judge a country that you did not know.
                      5. Vend
                        Vend 22 November 2018 16: 25
                        -2
                        Quote: victor50
                        Quote: Wend
                        I lived in the USSR, in 90 and now

                        in the 90s of the USSR formally existed less than the 2s. In fact, he was gone! If only in 90, then you did not live in the USSR! Very sorry! And it is very unfortunate that you undertake to judge a country that you did not know.

                        Do not make false conclusions. All your conclusions about me fall into the sky with your finger. I judge what I know and saw with my own eyes
          2. Peter Ivanov
            Peter Ivanov 22 November 2018 00: 53
            +1
            And not Russia, but the Russian Federation! Russia is the whole USSR, for a minute!
        4. Cycle boss
          Cycle boss 21 November 2018 15: 59
          -1
          There is another way, but it is a long one and no one will use it. Because the change you need to start with yourself. And the way that you indicated is not the fact that the people will come to socialism. After all, the same will come to power only in a different guise.
        5. Campanella
          Campanella 21 November 2018 16: 16
          +1
          It was already plunged in the dark, and you didn’t notice it, because you are young and you have nothing to compare with.
      4. Detective
        Detective 20 November 2018 12: 14
        -4
        Samsonov is certainly a property of VO! Take care of his comrades! However ... Industrialization is not possible without several components and this is no longer "the genius of the Bolsheviks - Russian communists", as the author likes to call them - these are economic laws. So capitalization is needed for industrialization! Those. investments. I understand that Samsonov wants Pavka Korchagin to do so with all his strength and in a single impulse, but this only happens in propaganda opuses! Life is more prosaic. Well, actually experience should be applied to capital i.e. technology to create new and modernize old! And where to get this happiness? Their factory owners - engineers - scientists - intellectuals were dispersed by the counter and class alien! So what to do?! And here, Western capital came to the aid of Stalin, well, the very one who, according to Samsonov, with his wolfish grin threatened to tear to pieces the young country of the Soviets! The Germans came in the 20s, and the Americans in the 30s! After the Treaty of Versailles, according to which the Germans were forbidden to have a large army and military industry. So they decided to make a move with a horse and build similar objects in the USSR. In the factories built at our place, the Germans simply placed their orders. Part of the production went to Soviet Russia. All this was done by SondergroupR. And Jerome Uborevich, being the chief of the Red Army’s weapons, in letters to Stalin called the Germans the only outlet for studying military affairs ... After Hitler came to power, cooperation was discontinued but the factories remained! Well, in 1930, the famous American Mr. Albert Kahn who built the Ford plant drew up a plan for the modernization of the USSR in the field of industry ... In America, these were the years of depression, so cooperation was completely mutually beneficial (we won’t write about the political component now, sparing Samsonov and his admirers of the Neo-Bolsheviks on this resource, and their nerves were shaken so much)! In record time, in just a few years, hundreds of factories were built by American specialists in the USSR. Equipment and finished projects were simply brought from the USA. The AZLK plant itself is FORD. Well, Gosproektstroy is actually the company of Albert Kahn. The Central Bureau of Heavy Engineering is simply a branch of the German company Demag. By the way, the first blast furnace of Magnitogorsk was laid out completely under the supervision of the Americans ... In 1932, the USSR ran out of currency due to problems with grain exports. And Stalin, as a person in the highest degree pragmatic, decided to say goodbye to benefactors. Contracts began to break for all sorts of reasons. Well, all those comrades who were somehow connected with foreign industrialization in the USSR, as usual, have sunk into oblivion by becoming enemies of the people, wreckers, saboteurs, spies, etc. Ahead was 1937. This is how the "unparalleled feat of the liberated progressive proletariat" was born about which Samsonov only told us so cheerfully, illustrating his fairy tale with sickles, hammers, stars and Budenovites with a burning gaze! Although I can’t but rejoice for the man — the faithful Leninists of revolutionaries — internationalists, Trotskyists, he called the mercenaries of the Western mafia, which with their help tried to destroy Russia! Bravo!!!!!!
        1. Mcar
          Mcar 20 November 2018 13: 30
          -3
          Quote: Detective
          Their factory owners - engineers - scientists - intellectuals were dispersed by the counter and class alien!

          Why are you misleading the gullible?

          They dispersed those who, in word or deed, harmed people's power. Everyone who at least didn’t harm remained where they were. There were former manufacturers who worked in their own factories, but not owners, but managers. The same goes for engineers, scientists, intellectuals. Well, think for yourself - what is Professor Preobrazhensky, Bulgakov’s complete fantasy? There were no such scientists living in several rooms, but with a servant at all?

          Quote: Detective
          And here, just to help Stalin western capital, well, the very one who, according to Samsonov, with his wolfish grin threatened to tear to pieces the young country of the Soviets! The Germans came in the 20s, and the Americans in the 30s!

          Where can you read about "Western capital"?

          About plants, no specialists needed. I am interested in who, what overseas firms and what money invested in the socialist economy before the war, during the period of industrialization.
          1. Detective
            Detective 20 November 2018 14: 51
            -9
            Quote: McAr
            About plants, no specialists needed. I am interested in who, what overseas firms and what money invested in the socialist economy before the war, during the period of industrialization.

            Dear comrade, well, take the trouble to look at the Internet even a little bit! This is a secret exclusively for Samsonov. Full of all kinds of information and quite yourself from trustworthy sources, our and foreign. Name two firms or companies whatever you want I indicated in my note. I hope you won't argue? Well, about the flight of representatives of the scientific elite, engineers and technicians, etc. Moscow hosts annual international conferences within the framework of the St. Tikhvin Humanitarian Orthodox University "People and Fates of the Russian Diaspora." Look at the materials and find out what role our people who were forced to flee the country played in world science, what discoveries they made ... Naturally, someone was able to stay in Soviet Russia. Your questions are strange. Well, millions of people fled the country and they were not the last people in Russia!
            1. Mcar
              Mcar 20 November 2018 18: 44
              0
              Quote: Detective
              bother to look at least a little bit on the Internet yourself! This is a secret exclusively for Samsonov. It is full of all kinds of information and completely from the sources of our and foreign credible sources. Call two firms or companies, as you want, I indicated in my note. I hope you will not argue?

              I searched but not found. That's why I asked.

              So what about Ford, Albert Kahn, Demag? Did we pay them? So what kind of capital have come to our aid? One bought, another sold - another question, who helped someone more, given the scale of the crisis in America. With this approach, we can say that the bakery, where you buy bread, regularly makes investments in your family.

              Quote: Detective
              Look at the materials and find out what role our people forced to flee from the country played in world science, what discoveries they made ...

              Discoveries are good. And probably, someone fled due to circumstances, not all of the emigrants hated the people so fiercely. And then they were afraid to return ... Anything could be.
              But, I repeat, the Soviet government, experiencing an acute hunger in the frames, did not persecute anyone who did not harm.

              Quote: Detective
              Well, millions of people fled the country and these were not the last people in Russia!

              Not so much - just 1,4 million (over the past 15 years - 2 million, this is for comparison). And it’s not entirely straight that everyone was great there. The decent part did not realize itself even noticeably. They ate their millions and rested on Saint-Genevieve-des-Bois.
        2. Hantengri
          Hantengri 20 November 2018 19: 50
          +2
          Quote: Detective
          So capitalization is needed for industrialization!

          In a socialist (!!!) economy, for development, capital is needed? !!! Those. not the technologies that were purchased for blood, folk ... Namely, CAPITAL, in other words - the self-increasing cost! Is that true? lol Wow! You, Holmes, today, straight, napalm zhZhOTe !!! laughing
          1. Detective
            Detective 21 November 2018 09: 18
            -2
            Quote: HanTengri
            In a socialist (!!!) economy, for development, capital is needed? !!!

            Made laugh! Well, of course, with a socialist economy, you only need a plan! And under communism money is not needed either ... It’s a pity I didn’t read it yesterday, but in the morning we cheered up!
            Those. they took and purchased directly for blood. Ready-made enterprises, specialists and even skilled American workers and German, of course ... And they themselves built everything ?! Zhzhote is you! Of course, capital + labor armies i.e. cheap labor (you can look at modern China). So it means that they do not agree with Samsonov about the imperialism of the enemy of the Soviet Republic ?! They mean technology they sold us at least for dual purposes ... Allies mean ?! And now sanctions, sanctions, sanctions ... Tell me how interesting !!!!! laughing
            Quote: McAr
            Discoveries are good. And probably, someone escaped due to circumstances, not all of the emigrants hated the people so fiercely

            You people have already hesitated! The people, the people, the people also fled and massively! Flared uprisings (popular by the way) across the country are an example! Well, stop talking with your slogans. You see, there is truth, and it will not become a lie from your desire, and vice versa!
            Quote: McAr
            Not so much - just 1,4 million (over the past 15 years - 2 million, this is for comparison).

            Well, this is all yours !!! "Yes, that there is one and a half million ... One and a half there - one and a half here ..." Very Soviet. It was because of this position that people fled. You have illustrated this very vividly! And even your numbers are complete lies. In the period 1917 - 1922, according to the most conservative estimates, more than 2 citizens fled from the country! This was the first wave of emigration of which there are NO analogues in history! People were ready to endure real hardships just to leave the country in which the Bolsheviks won. The steamers were overcrowded and not everyone was able to leave at all! Naturally, the nobles were subjected to the most severe repression! Artists, writers, poets, scientists, entrepreneurs fled ...
            Quote: McAr
            And it’s not entirely straight that everyone was great there.

            Of course! Some writers - Bunin, Nabokov, Shmelev, Andreev, Averchenko, Kuprin, Cherny, Khodasevich ... Some kind of Chaliapin, Rakhmaninov, Kandinsky, Stravinsky, Chagall ... And such names as Sikorsky, Zvorykin, Ipatiev, Fedorov are familiar to you ?! And how many were expelled ?! I’m talking only about those who left only during this period, they also left and left ... It was a real outcome as a result of which the West received selected genetic material, not only the color of society and representatives of the highest culture, but also hundreds of thousands of hands and minds! I see you as if to give a damn? Well, that is what the other apologists of the red idea thought about as a result of which this country existed for only 68 years! Its collapse was a direct result of a disregard for the Russian people!
            1. Hantengri
              Hantengri 22 November 2018 18: 47
              +1
              Quote: Detective
              Made laugh! Well, of course, with a socialist economy, you only need a plan! And under communism, money is not needed ...

              Money = | (not equal) capital. And you do not even know. Those. illiterate, but you have an opinion ... From that I laugh.
              If only they looked at Wikipedia or something, before sprinkling brain juice into the monitor.
              Money is the universal equivalent, serving as a measure of the value of any goods and services, capable of exchanging directly for them

              Capital (from lat. Capitalis “main, dominant, main” [1] [p. 1]) - the value used to obtain surplus value through production and economic activities based on voluntary exchange.

              Capital is not just value, but self-increasing value [2].
        3. LeonidL
          LeonidL 20 November 2018 21: 09
          +3
          That's right - industrialization took place first with the help of the Germans, then on a huge scale with the help of the United States. Gummer and his crandash are just the tip of the iceberg. In Kharkov, with the help of American workers and engineers, they built almost the entire industry - from the tractor, electromechanical to the house of the State Industry. So close was the cooperation that opposite the first in Europe all-concrete multi-storey handsome House of Gosprom, a complex of "Houses of specialists" was built, where foreigners first lived. The houses are so "American" that I was shocked to find myself in Chicago in an old district built up with similar houses, as if I was transported to Kharkov! Houses were built with elevators, running water, sewerage, bathrooms, etc. By the way, the Germans during the war, before leaving Kharkov, twice tried to blow up Gosprom - they did not even manage to scratch them. But the building of the University and the military academy was then restored by prisoners of war for a long time after the war, I myself saw their columns ...
        4. Beringovsky
          Beringovsky 20 November 2018 23: 38
          -3
          A valid nonsense. No really i just belay
          Brain blow.
        5. victor50
          victor50 21 November 2018 14: 42
          -1
          Quote: Detective
          Samsonov is certainly a property of VO! Take care of his comrades!

          Well, you are our ALL, too! How without your comments and historical layout we would live! request
          1. Detective
            Detective 21 November 2018 14: 56
            +2
            And in the case, that is, what can I say? Yes, and how personally you live, I can’t know, and honestly I don’t have curiosity about this.
            1. victor50
              victor50 21 November 2018 15: 43
              +1
              Quote: Detective
              And in the case, that is, what can I say? And how personally you live, I can’t know, and honestly I don’t have curiosity about this

              And what about Samsonov did you have in the case ?!
              "Samsonov is definitely the property of IN! Take care of his comrades!"
              What are you angry at then? Well, to me, in general, it is also rather indifferent to you personally. Although some interesting points are of interest, but you ignore questions about them ... laughing
        6. Campanella
          Campanella 21 November 2018 16: 19
          +3
          What an interesting tale about capital, which came to the aid of Stalin.
          And let me ask. And why does not capital come to the aid of Putin?
          1. your1970
            your1970 21 November 2018 19: 05
            0
            Quote: Campanella
            What an interesting tale about capital, which came to the aid of Stalin.
            And let me ask. And why does not capital come to the aid of Putin?
            -you look years old !!!!
            in the USA exactly at that time they drowned sugar in the sea and poured milk into the rivers - for GREAT DEPRESSION!!!
            And when Stalin appeared on the horizon with a proposal, capital rushed foolishly in order to snatch the babosiks ....
      5. Tarhan
        Tarhan 20 November 2018 12: 35
        -5
        And the thesis of I.V. Stalin that we must go the way in ten years, or we are crushed, is more important than ever.

        And how was it performed ??
        The budget money that was not given to agriculture, which caused the famine of 30 years, was given to the capitalists.

        In particular: Dneproges - Equipment supplied for the construction of the station

        Germany (Krupp factories)
        Sawmill - Hamburg,
        high-voltage transformer for the testing laboratory of Dneprostroy - Dresden,
        transformers for temporary substation Kichkas - Nuremberg,
        steam turbines of a temporary station - Mannheim,
        stone crushers - Magdeburg.
        Czech Republic
        Vitkovitsky factories made parts for Streletsky bridges from silicon steel [25] - Moravian Ostrava.
        USA
        General Electric - hydroturbines.

        GAZ Automobile Plant - an American company Ford Motor Company entered into an agreement on technical assistance for the organization and establishment of mass production of cars and trucks. The basis of the production program were selected models Ford-A and Ford-AA. The plant was designed by the American architectural bureau Alberta Kahn, the technical management of the construction was carried out by the American company Austin. Turnkey.

        Conclusion - there would be no capitalists, there would be no industrialization.
        1. Mcar
          Mcar 20 November 2018 13: 33
          -3
          Quote: Tarkhan
          Conclusion - there would be no capitalists, there would be no industrialization.

          Capitalism is the mother of communism. Darling. Mommy.
          Conclusion...
        2. Revival
          Revival 20 November 2018 15: 39
          +12
          The conclusion is different! It would not have been paid in full to the capitalists, would not have been here. Which once again confirms that the capitalists do not care with whom to cooperate if they pay money!
          Or did I miss something and Ford and others like him built and designed it from altruism for free?
          And most importantly! The main thing is the motive of action! Why and why was industrialization carried out! If they would now raise the industry buying the right thing in the USA, then what was it bad? Let them take it anywhere if the goal is to develop their country!
          And if the goal is a personal immense enrichment, then at least the best take it but it's still bad!
          I have never seen the Bolsheviks accuse them of doing this for personal enrichment. Why does everyone forget to write about the yachts of Stalin and the rest?
          That would be a trump card, right?
          1. Tarhan
            Tarhan 20 November 2018 15: 52
            -6
            The conclusion is different! It would not have been paid in full to the capitalists, would not have been here. Which once again confirms that the capitalists do not care with whom to cooperate if they pay money!

            You want to break the system, which is the quintessence of progress? You want to say that services can be done without money? The financial system, the trading of the modern world, the economy all rely on the unique invention of mankind - money.

            Money is the universal equivalent, serving as a measure of the value of any goods and services, capable of exchanging directly for them.

            Cancel the money and there will be no need for nuclear war. We will ride through the trees and naturally exchange bananas.
            1. Mcar
              Mcar 20 November 2018 18: 56
              0
              Quote: Tarkhan
              You want to break the system, which is the quintessence of progress?

              Money was even in the Stone Age.
              The quintessence of progress ...
              1. Tarhan
                Tarhan 21 November 2018 07: 51
                -2
                Money was even in the Stone Age.
                The quintessence of progress ...


                It is money, among other things, that brought us out of the Stone Age today
      6. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 November 2018 17: 14
        -14
        Now we can say with full confidence that there will not be any return of Russian society to socialism - communism. This system showed its complete inefficiency in the 80s and 90s, 91 years.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 21 November 2018 00: 03
          -7
          And this is true - since the train left several decades ago.
          1. Peter Ivanov
            Peter Ivanov 22 November 2018 01: 00
            0
            Do you think so, well, or dream. And we are the Bolsheviks! Between 1905 and 1917 there were years of terror and hopelessness, and Our Party - RSDLPb was then in a deplorable (by the number of its members) state. Nothing! I am glad that so many young people have come to the Russian Federation today and are coming to Marxism-Leninism! There will be a new October 1917! Whether peaceful or through armed rebellion ... it will be seen there!
            Warm Communist Greetings! From the Bolshevik.
        2. ruigat
          ruigat 21 November 2018 12: 45
          +4
          Yeah, a monkey will never turn into a rational person, because according to Vadim237, the theory of evolution and development is just a garden plant. In the case of Vadim 237, this is true, but in the case of socialism and communism, there is not a garden plant like that.
          1. Mestny
            Mestny 21 November 2018 18: 17
            -2
            Great about evolution.
            Where can I get acquainted with the modernized theory of building socialism?
            So to speak, evolved in the XXI century.
            1. ruigat
              ruigat 21 November 2018 19: 01
              +3
              Read Lenin and Stalin, and maybe lick the dust off the shoes of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, you will like it.
            2. Peter Ivanov
              Peter Ivanov 22 November 2018 01: 06
              +1
              Just start, with a pencil, with the Communist Manifesto and Anti-Duhring ... The base is needed for "modernized theories, including for building socialism."

              Большевик
        3. user
          user 21 November 2018 18: 42
          +1
          Now we can say with full confidence that there will not be any return of Russian society to socialism - communism. This system showed its complete inefficiency in the 80s and 90s, 91 years.


          Well, it's you in vain, thanks to this such a term appeared - Scandinavian socialism, and the European way of life and well-being, in the form where everyone wants to leave now - although after the collapse of the USSR it changed a lot for the worse, it also appeared due to this. The image of the country for the people and a fair world order simply disappeared, although even foreign analysts spoke of 80% of the middle class in the USSR - these data were published in the early 80s. After all, the entire plan of Marshall was aimed at destroying this image, and the leadership of the USSR did not attach any particular importance to this and lost after military pro-Soviet Europe.

          Something like that, but about never say never. The whole matter of time and method.
      7. your1970
        your1970 21 November 2018 18: 56
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        But it is necessary to build a socially oriented society. And not a society divided in half.
        - the problem is that society is divided in half on ANY question of the 20 century: revolution, Civil, Tsar, Lenin, Stalin, NEP, white, red, religion
        How can we cost a united society - even if, according to the meaning of the king (who died 100 years ago), there is no consensus ...
        1. Peter Ivanov
          Peter Ivanov 22 November 2018 01: 12
          +2
          Here comrade, simple! This is all from ignorance! Archives are important and archies require the Marxist-Leninist education of the broad masses, the peoples of the Union. Enlightenment! And here, it is gratifying to see the mass of young people who have already come and come to this knowledge! The doctrine of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin - lives and develops, unlike the 1970-80 Union! This is gratifying! And this is not pathos, it is a fact!
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 06: 34
      +33
      Quote: Puncher
      Cuba and North Korea are the last reserves of the bad experiment.

      I hear these words about a bad experiment from about the second half of the 80s. Like a mantra. So, I am a proletarian. Not some speculator like buy-sell. He lived under the USSR, and lived under capitalism. I will say this. We, the proletarians, have become worse off. A lot.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 20 November 2018 06: 47
        +12
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        ..... We, the proletarians, have become worse off. A lot.
        And for this, the bourgeoisie is trying very hard. They also try to invite more migrants to make it difficult for the proletariat to unite. They will also destroy urban-type settlements, small cities with their city-forming enterprises.
        How not to recall the Stolypin reform.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 07: 04
          +18
          Quote: Reptiloid
          And for this, the bourgeoisie is trying very hard.

          Yeah. As I recall, I refused a ticket to the Crimean Medical Sanatorium, which I, a poor student, wanted to give away for free, and it becomes bad. From the present bourgeois you will get such a hell.
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 20 November 2018 11: 35
            -10
            So, even now, normal regional universities send their students to Crimea at the expense of the university’s budget, and to their own sanatoriums and dispensaries.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 11: 50
              +9
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              So, even now, normal regional universities send their students to Crimea at the expense of the university’s budget, and to their own sanatoriums and dispensaries.

              What other universities? I studied at the techie, today they call it college. Is free. Moreover, the scholarship was bigger than now. You could buy 150 loaves of bread for a flak of thirty rubles, which today is about 4,5 thousand rubles. In addition, another 15 rubles were given food stamps. If you want - chew in the dining room, do not want to - buy sausage on them in the buffet, which I did. This is about the deficit of the late USSR. And today my niece is studying for an official, so she needs to pay 90 thousand rubles a year for her studies.
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 20 November 2018 12: 10
                -8
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                What other universities?

                Ordinary. I worked in this for three years.
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                I studied at the techie, today they call it college. Is free.

                Colleges now provide free educational services.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 12: 23
                  +8
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  Colleges now provide free educational services.

                  And sends his students to be treated at the resort? I don’t believe it. I either refused a mud sanatorium or messed up with papers what kind of skin sore was found upon admission. And so he could go for free. Full of people would have clung to such an opportunity.
                  1. Lieutenant Teterin
                    Lieutenant Teterin 20 November 2018 12: 25
                    -4
                    As for the treatment, I won’t say for sure, but as an encouragement to the excellent students and activists, students were definitely sent to Crimea. And in the sanatorium-dispensary, but sent according to the student, there did not even require a doctor’s opinion.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 13: 21
                      +3
                      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                      As for the treatment, I won’t say for sure, but as an encouragement to the excellent students and activists, students were definitely sent to Crimea. And in the sanatorium-dispensary, but sent according to the student, there did not even require a doctor’s opinion.

                      And I’m not an excellent student even once, and not an activist. Round trie. Studied to get rid. And I didn’t write any statements. Cool came, and give me a ticket to poke, persuade to wave to the Crimea. Barely struggled. In the first year it was. In the first semester. In September. I also had to step into the kiosk dispensary, receive a certificate that I’m not contagious. laughing
                    2. BAI
                      BAI 20 November 2018 13: 23
                      +6
                      This is not at the expense of the university. This is a kind of regional program. A pointer was lowered from above and paid by the state to fill the Crimean sanatoriums. Universities have nothing to do with it. Their job is to propose candidates.
                    3. ruigat
                      ruigat 21 November 2018 12: 51
                      0
                      Yeah, there is such a handout to students from Edr, for special diligence when licking the shoes of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, but these "patriotic" students, at the slightest opportunity, receive a green card and bye in SSM. The system that gives birth to consumers is very vulnerable.
                      1. Mestny
                        Mestny 21 November 2018 18: 23
                        0
                        Vulnerable like any other.
                        But the system that massively gives birth to uninitiated C grade students "get off the hook" as a result, died happily.
                        Probably not overpowered by the indifference of the Threes.
                2. Revival
                  Revival 20 November 2018 15: 52
                  +1
                  Sorry, you don’t understand what they are talking about or what? What are the services of sending to a sanatorium?
                3. Andrey VOV
                  Andrey VOV 20 November 2018 15: 54
                  +6
                  What is the university in which you worked for three years and when? As for secondary special educational institutions (colleges, lyceums) half of them are paid!
      2. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 20 November 2018 09: 47
        -12
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        He lived under the USSR, and lived under capitalism. I will say this. We, the proletarians, have become worse off. A lot.

        Capitalism to capitalism is different. Capitalism plus democracy is equal to prosperity, the proletariat lives well under such conditions. We now have capitalism plus kleptocracy, here not only the proletarians are ill, but also the capitalists, if they fall out of favor with swindlers from power.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 10: 14
          +13
          Quote: Puncher
          Capitalism plus democracy is equal to prosperity, the proletariat lives well under such conditions.

          Do not make me laugh. Want to refute easily? So here. With the collapse of the USSR, nuts are tightened everywhere. According to the Aglitsa Times, the number of sick leave over the past 20 years has decreased by more than 2 times. And this is not because people have become less sick. Theirs unions say that people are afraid to take sick leave for fear of losing their jobs. It’s a pity, I can’t find the link now, I wrote about this six months ago according to the Times. And we have worse. 77% of patients go to work. This is already the data of Rabota employees. Ru And our Ministry of Health under this tune reduces the number of hospital beds. My neighbor threw back his hooves in the summer, they did not heal to the end.
      3. Tarhan
        Tarhan 20 November 2018 13: 19
        -12
        We, the proletarians, have become worse off. A lot.

        How worse? You, as a proletarian, have lost something? Chains, or what? After all, the slogan of the Communists is that the proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 13: 33
          +10
          Quote: Tarkhan
          How worse? You, as a proletarian, have lost something?

          Tell you what I lost, fidget?
          Easy. Holidays and vacation. Paid sick leave. Stable work. Confidence in the future. (Please do not confuse with the bottom). Enough with you, or else add?
          1. Tarhan
            Tarhan 20 November 2018 13: 47
            -15
            Easy. Holidays and vacation. Paid sick leave. Stable work.

            Add more free apartments, permits, kindergartens and more. So that is the perversion of socialism. Communism does not need an independent thinking person. And an independent farmer (fist is the salt of the earth). Therefore, the minimum wage, so that from now to now. They occupied the three or five from the neighbors before advance payment.

            And all these free so that you do not rock the boat. Slightly, not what you’ll do, but if you think it’s wrong, you won’t give an apartment, they will cancel the kindergarten for your children, they won’t give a ticket.

            But even this, did not stop the peoples from throwing off the power of the Communists, TIRED. And even the secretaries of the district and regional committees of the CPSU did not go to the barricades in the nineties.
            1. Andrey VOV
              Andrey VOV 20 November 2018 16: 00
              +7
              Sorry, move on, the worker, a simple worker turner of 5 category, at the factory the salary was such that it allowed him to calmly from paycheck to paycheck and save for a passbook .. for example, in 70-80 years I lived in Khabarovsk, Gorky, there was a factory, they did something for the submarine fleet, so the workers there quietly earned at least !! 300-350 rubles, and if it’s a cool locksmith, turner, milling worker of 5-6 categories, that’s even more! so it wasn’t necessary, of course very low salaries, but not all without exception!
              1. Tarhan
                Tarhan 20 November 2018 16: 24
                -3
                Sorry, move on, for a worker, a simple working turner of 5 category, at the factory the salary was such that it allowed him to calmly from salary to salary and save for a passbook .. for example, in the years 70-80

                This is Brezhnev’s stagnation. Workers began to pay something hoping to increase labor productivity, but this did not work. But doctors, engineers, after graduation, received 110 rubles (a bottle of vodka cost 4 rubles).

                And, if there is no real economic growth, then it is fraught with increasing wages. Excess money supply, sweeps everything off the shelves, begins deficit. This is exactly what happened in the USSR. To indulge the people, they printed money and raised salaries, when there was not enough production of goods.
              2. your1970
                your1970 21 November 2018 19: 11
                0
                Quote: Andrey VOV
                the worker, a simple working turner of 5 rank, had a salary at the plant that would allow him to calmly from salary to salary
                -a simple Soviet nurse / postman / librarian and so on - had a salary in 60-70 rubles
                And there were at least 1 / 3 of all those working in the USSR (mostly women) from all those working ...
                Teachers also did not shout at 85-90
            2. Mcar
              Mcar 20 November 2018 19: 04
              -3
              Quote: Tarkhan
              fist - salt of the earth

              The fist is a rural moneylender, a world-eater. A completely weightless creature profiting not only from its own kind, but from its neighbors.

              “... only in the village of B. is there a real fist. This one neither loves land, nor economy, nor labor, this one loves only money. This one will not say that he is ashamed when, going to bed, does not feel pain in his arms and legs, this one, on the contrary, says; “The work of fools loves”, “It works, but the clever, with his hands in his pockets, poisons and turns his brains.” This one boasts of his fat belly, boasts that he does not work much: "My debtors are mowed, burned and put into a barn." This fist is engaged in land so-so, by the way, does not expand farms, does not increase the number of cattle, horses, does not plow the land. In this, everything is based not on land, not on farms, not on labor, but on the capital for which he trades, which gives out loans at interest. His idol is money, which he only thinks of increasing. ”
              A major researcher of the Russian peasantry A.N. Endelgardt

              “At present, the stronger peasant is usually turning into a kulak, an exploiter of his fellow activists, in the figurative expression - a world-eater.”
              Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Russian Empire P.A. Stolypin

              “Of all the human monsters that I have ever encountered while traveling (in Russia), I can’t remember more vicious and disgusting than a fist.”
              Professor Emil Dillon

              Even in a pack of jackals there is no sign of usury of one jackal in relation to another. So animals ...
              1. Tarhan
                Tarhan 21 November 2018 08: 03
                -3
                The fist is a rural moneylender, a world-eater.

                30 years have passed since the fall of socialism, and you have all the propaganda of the Communists.

                Before the revolution, yes, there was a world-eater. But after the revolution, the Soviet government wrote in fists, all the dominant, working, independent peasants. Because as an independent, economically independent, a person listens little to what is contrary to human concepts.

                But out of shortage, rural lazy people, the Soviet government began to create Bedcoms - poor committees that always envied envy for success. In general, a strong Russian man was executed and exiled. Collective farms where everything is common (and if it’s a common draw) and there is none of their own, did not cope with the task of producing grain. Hence the famine of 30 years and the purchase of grain in 60 from Canada and the United States.
                1. Mcar
                  Mcar 21 November 2018 08: 17
                  -9
                  Quote: Tarkhan
                  Before the revolution, yes, there was a world-eater. But after the revolution, the Soviet government wrote in fists, all the dominant, working, independent peasants.

                  30 years have passed since the assassination of the most progressive formation in the history of Russia, and you are still under the yoke of enemy, liberal propaganda.

                  After the revolution was the NEP. Now this is not going to school? And the NEP is capitalism. So what, in your opinion, did the pre-revolutionary fist after the revolution forgive to all debtors in the village? HA HA! Or maybe suddenly became conscious and conscientious? Once again HA HA!

                  Let’s not to engage in empty bickering, watch this movie. Mark objections along the way, and then discuss them here. This is if you really want to understand the issue, and not persist in your delusion.

                  1. Mestny
                    Mestny 21 November 2018 18: 30
                    0
                    Oh yeah.
                    These guys know how to make money from history.
                    So vigorously, energetically to tell stories about communism. and at the same time, it’s not everyone who knows how to put together a sect of unshakable believers in building communism.
                    Everything, or most of what these citizens say, is an extremely dangerous political populist lie.
                    But in money making all means are good, right? And it turns out to be possible on communism.
                    if it becomes impossible, they will immediately find something else. will be no less authoritative to talk about capitalism, for example. Who cares?
                    1. NordUral
                      NordUral 21 November 2018 18: 59
                      +1
                      Judge by yourself, Mestny?
            3. nezvaniy_gost
              nezvaniy_gost 20 November 2018 20: 42
              0
              Slightly, not what you’ll do, but if you think it’s wrong, you won’t give an apartment, they will cancel the kindergarten for your children, they won’t give a ticket.

              That's for sure. Stakhanov’s apartment in Moscow was taken away and sent to the place where he came from with a kick.
            4. Hantengri
              Hantengri 20 November 2018 20: 44
              +1
              Quote: Tarkhan
              Therefore, the minimum wage, so that from now to now. They occupied the three or five from the neighbors before advance payment.

              And the neighbors borrowed from other neighbors, those from others, these still from anyone ... and so on to infinity! wassat laughing No, well, cho - a bloody scoop! Well paid all pennies. Do not live, no matter how. So everyone had to take the arcs from a friend to paycheck - Kolya at Petya, Petya at Vasya, Vasya at Tolyan, Tolyan, back at Kolya, and all in one month, and up to the same salary! laughing
              1. Mestny
                Mestny 21 November 2018 18: 36
                -1
                No, not like that. I will tell.
                Here they pay you 120 rubles at work. Naturally few. Then you take everything that is not pinned there, and drag home - building materials, parts, tools.
                And then you use all this - that is, you sell or provide services for money to more successful citizens whose salaries are not 120 rubles.
                Why not capitalism?
              2. NordUral
                NordUral 21 November 2018 19: 01
                +1
                Are you a fantasy lover, HanTengri?
                1. Hantengri
                  Hantengri 22 November 2018 19: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: NordUral
                  Are you a fantasy lover, HanTengri?

                  No, Eugene, I am a lover of bringing the opponent’s thoughts to her logical 3,14159 ... tsa. hi
            5. ruigat
              ruigat 21 November 2018 12: 55
              +2
              I will tell you more. As soon as there is a threat to the authorities (real, not imaginary) of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation and no one will come out to defend it, even the Russian Guard and the FSB.
              1. your1970
                your1970 21 November 2018 19: 13
                0
                Quote: ruigat
                I will tell you more. As soon as there is a threat to the authorities (real, not imaginary) of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation and no one will come out to defend it, even the Russian Guard and the FSB.
                -It is like nobody came out to defend the USSR .... here for some reason the people didn’t come out with stoppers / forks ....
                1. ruigat
                  ruigat 22 November 2018 05: 07
                  +2
                  -It is like nobody came out to defend the USSR .... here for some reason the people didn’t come out with stoppers / forks ....

                  In the 90s, individuals of the Russian oligarchy classically deceived the Soviet people, who at that time were morally cleaner and more trusting. But the seasoned and cynical electorate, which the oligarchy of the Russian Federation itself created, will not come out to protect the power of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation.
            6. victor50
              victor50 21 November 2018 14: 56
              +3
              Quote: Tarkhan
              Communism does not need an independent thinking person.

              Bad propagandist! Lying and stupid. Workers argue easily and very reasonably with you, who, in your opinion, weaned so diligently to think. And you have to lie and come up with nonsense.
              Quote: Tarkhan
              And all these free so that you do not rock the boat. Slightly, not what you’ll do, but if you think it’s wrong, you won’t give an apartment, they will cancel the kindergarten for your children, they won’t give a ticket.

              Up to such a fuck ...
              Quote: Tarkhan
              But even this, did not stop the peoples from throwing off the power of the Communists, TIRED. And even the secretaries of the district and regional committees of the CPSU did not go to the barricades in the nineties.

              Believe me, the people threw off that power not because they were communists, but because he did not see communists in them. And the people are definitely not for the sake of living under capitalism. You ask those who did not steal, would they repeat what they did then if they knew how it will be now?
            7. Campanella
              Campanella 22 November 2018 20: 26
              +1
              In more detail pzhlst, about how the people threw off. The people did not want to change the system at all, the country was surrendered by the elite. And the people were poorly oriented in that chatter that the demagogues poured from all the dope. And when I realized where he was brought it was too late.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 20 November 2018 17: 58
            -1
            Someone loses, but someone finds.
          3. Hantengri
            Hantengri 20 November 2018 20: 27
            +1
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Confidence in the future. (Please do not confuse with the bottom).

            drinks I see that you also read B. Yulin's note: "On the Day of National Unity" (not to be confused withёm)
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 20: 36
              +2
              Quote: HanTengri
              I see you also read B. Yulin's note: "On the Day of National Unity" (not to be confused with the day)

              The first time I've heard. So, scalamburil is simple. laughing I remembered Ulyukaev, who was looking for the bottom of our economy. drinks
        2. Looking for
          Looking for 20 November 2018 20: 03
          +2
          Are you so stupid that you perceive expressions verbatim?
      4. Detective
        Detective 20 November 2018 14: 15
        -9
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        So, I am a proletarian. Not some speculator like buy-sell.

        And what better is the proletariat, for example, of the same figures of trade? Why do you allow yourself to talk about them with such contempt ?! Why is the proletarian better than managers, engineers, agricultural workers, poets ... ??? Are you for class inequality, Mordvin ?! Although you are probably a well-read and highly intelligent person, in connection with which you probably put another more sacred meaning in your post. The original meaning of the word proletarius is progeny-producing. Also, proles is used in the designation mmmmm ... of certain parts of the actual masculine features, but I think all the same, and here you didn’t quite mean it ... Although, again, I can’t assert. There is also the meaning of the word proletarius sermo - common people. But here, however everything is in order. According to Dahl’s dictionary in Russia, this word since ancient times denoted the actual bogeyman, homeless or landless, homeless and you will be surprised but still a burrower! During the French Revolution, the term was introduced by Jean Charles Leonard Simond de Sismondi, as a collection of poor people living today. And of course, the Marxist interpretation of this multifaceted term i.e. people are earning livelihoods by selling their labor. Although they say there are also proletarians of mental labor ... So, to be limited to this term alone means little to say. Well, to speak contemptuously about other categories of citizens, such as a very bad tone! According to Marx, the proletarians must rise to the position of the leading class of the nation (!!!) and seize power by forcibly abolishing bourgeois rights and freedoms through dictatorship! Ahaaaaaaaaaa, here you probably want what! Paaaaanyatno, no, I know against. Sorry I can’t agree with this. And do not persuade! Perhaps at present, not everyone knows who Marx actually came up with all this? I will give a brief reference - was born on May 5, 1818 in Trier in Germany in the family of ethnic Jews Heinrich and Henrietta Marx who belong to two large families of rabbis. The boy grew up obedient and smart and was very worried about the proletarians and therefore became the founder of scientific communism!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 14: 42
          +10
          Quote: Detective
          And what better is the proletariat, for example, of the same figures of trade? Why do you allow yourself to talk about them with such contempt ?!

          And where is your position as a believer, Igor? Exile the merchants from the temple. I’m not writing about those who stand behind the counter, I’m writing about those who, spending minimal efforts, get maximum profit. That's clearer? I do not respect such people, and convincing me of this is like rolling pebbles on Sisyphus.
          Quote: Detective
          Why is the proletarian better than managers, engineers, agricultural workers, poets ... ???

          No better. They all work, and reap the fruits of their labor. But not a stranger. Again. I am for an adequate wage. I do not mind if a genius will receive a huge amount by my standards, I am against when mediocrity profits from someone else's work. So understandable?
          Quote: Detective
          Well, to speak contemptuously about other categories of citizens, such as a very bad tone!

          You are wrong in this respect. Now, with some kind of drinking, you decided that I despise all other categories of citizens. So that's it. This is not true. In addition, I am a little writer, since I manage to earn at least a little on this, and I have been friends with a shovel since I was four. So I can also call myself a peasant. And an engineer, because in production he sometimes did their job. But I've never been a huckster, and I'm not going to. I hope I have explained it clearly. And as for the poets ... I placed it lower than Nikolai Yazykov. 19th century. "To not ours". This is one of my favorites.
          1. Detective
            Detective 20 November 2018 15: 31
            -2
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            And where is your position as a believer, Igor? Exile the merchants from the temple.

            I was always amazed with how easily nonbelievers talk about faith and even try to interpret. Take the trouble to find out, if you are talking about, whom Christ expelled from "My Father's House" and exactly why. In short, I will tell you - the Jews launched a real trade in the Temple at the Passover in Jerusalem. Moreover, they even traded in items that had nothing to do with the sacrifice, turning the Temple into a market square.
            Answering about the proletariat, you quite normally say to yourself that he is no better than people engaged in other labor. Of course it is. But then what about Marx then -
            Quote: Detective
            According to Marx, the proletarians must rise to the position of the leading class of the nation (!!!) and seize power by forcibly abolishing bourgeois rights and freedoms through dictatorship!

            Somehow not really ... Yes ?!
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            So I can also call myself a peasant. And an engineer, because sometimes he did their work in production. But the huckster has never been, and I'm not going to.

            I am sincerely happy for you and I do not hold a stone in my bosom. It’s just that you’re somehow calmer or say something. And it just feels like it happens that in one hand you have a Mauser all the time, and in the other, your favorite volume from Lenin’s PSS.
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            You are mistaken in this respect. You now, with some sort of crossover, have decided that I despise all other categories of citizens.

            My work is hard. I try to drink in moderation. And the rest, as they said it was decided. We will consider a misunderstanding.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 15: 57
              +2
              Quote: Detective
              Somehow not really ... Yes ?!

              Yes, I disagree with him a bit. Or maybe we just Marx a little misunderstood? Maybe he, like I had in mind, that both the engineer and the poet are proletarians, since he also creates.
              Quote: Detective
              It’s just that you’re somehow calmer or say something. And it just feels like it happens that in one hand you have a Mauser all the time, and in the other, your favorite volume from Lenin’s PSS.

              Yes, it only seems so to you. Cross yourself. laughing I, too, when I see you have an abundance of exclamation points, I don’t understand you a bit.
              Quote: Detective
              We will consider a misunderstanding.

              This is precisely the misunderstanding that leads to revolutions. If the tops listened to the lower classes, and the lower classes tried to understand the position of the upper classes and found a compromise, then this would be a society close to ideal. Alas, it doesn’t work out. I won’t argue about theology, to convince a disbelieving believer. You have your own cockroaches in your head, but I have mine. And we live, oddly enough, in one country. You have to compromise. For all of us. hi
        2. Mcar
          Mcar 20 November 2018 19: 13
          -5
          Quote: Detective
          And what better is the proletariat, for example, of the same figures of trade? Why do you allow yourself to talk about them with such contempt ?! Why is the proletarian better than managers, engineers, agricultural workers, poets ... ???

          A proletarian is a person for whom employment is the only source of livelihood. Consequently, both a "trade worker" and a "agricultural worker" and even an engineer, in a broad sense, are the proletariat. The proletariat includes everyone (except for government officials expressing the interests of the bourgeoisie) who does not own property (in the form of money, means of production, land, patents or other property) and who exist at the expense of income from this property.
        3. Looking for
          Looking for 20 November 2018 20: 10
          -4
          You, well, dear one, refute the foundations of Marxism-Leninism, the correctness of which is even recognized by the capitalist system?
      5. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 20 November 2018 20: 58
        +5
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        He lived under the USSR, and lived under capitalism. I will say this. We, the proletarians, have become worse off

        yes
        Previously, on 40 people there were 4 team leaders (or even 2), 1 chairman and 1 accountant ... Socialism ...
        Now for 8 workers there are 4 craftsmen, 1 nashilnikhe, 4 of his deputies, and accounting with a staff of 5 people yes request Capitalism...
        1. your1970
          your1970 21 November 2018 19: 18
          0
          Quote: Rurikovich
          Previously, on 40 people there were 4 team leaders (or even 2), 1 chairman and 1 accountant ... Socialism ...
          -you forgot (apparently forgot !!!) that on 40 the man was still a party organizer (quite often freed !!), a Komsomol and a trade union ...
          But the accountant had one thing, because he was engaged only in the salary of employees — he did not answer for the purchase of supplies, accounting, income — this was what the economist was sitting on.
      6. Campanella
        Campanella 21 November 2018 23: 23
        +1
        Life has become worse for everyone except farmers and crooks.
      7. Peter Ivanov
        Peter Ivanov 22 November 2018 01: 15
        +1
        "Those, on the head, will grow horns, who will offend their brother - the poor man!" Capitalism and the Russian Federation are twin brothers, for Socialism and the RSFSR are Our Banner!

        All power to the Soviets!
    3. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 20 November 2018 06: 37
      +27
      Is that why Cuba and the DPRK are rotten? If they are in blockade, then they are rotten? And if you introduce a blockade against the United States? How long will they stretch their legs? Do not stretch? The USSR, which has a centralized system, canceled cards in the 47th year. Why was the capital system the first to fail? Why did the crisis break out in the 29th year? Well, the system works clearly !? Or not? Why are systematic crises under this system? But Cuba and the DPRK survived thanks to the social system. Therefore, these countries should not be harassed, but we should take an example from them. They, like the besieged Leningrad, survived. Will hait blockade? Why is there so much poverty in a vaunted capital system, without war, in peacetime? Are they themselves to blame for their poverty? Today, capital rules in Russia. Everyone began to live well? Do all have housing, foreign cars and all go twice a year to relax abroad?
      1. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 20 November 2018 09: 57
        -10
        Quote: Mister Creed
        Is that why Cuba and the DPRK are rotten?

        Because the majority of the population has a dream to get to hell, even with a risk to their lives.
        Quote: Mister Creed
        If they are in blockade, then they are rotten?

        In what other blockade? Rave or what? China freely trades with the DPRK and with Cuba, and not only him. It’s just that there are some countries that don’t do this by banning their companies from outcasts.
        Quote: Mister Creed
        The USSR, which has a centralized system, canceled cards in the 47th year.

        For a long time?
        Quote: Mister Creed
        They, like the besieged Leningrad, survived. Will hait blockade?

        Do you live on another planet or what? Around Cuba, enemies do not miss a single transport? Access to Cuba is free if you did not know, at least now you can buy a ticket to Cuba and have fun, the Cuban Communists have returned to their roots, the main income is prostitution and tourism.
        Quote: Mister Creed
        Today, capital rules in Russia.

        Kleptocracy rules in Russia and the availability of capital does not guarantee a good life. On any day, they can rob up a thread.
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 20 November 2018 11: 12
        +7
        Right, Creed! Just about to say this. But Cuba and the DPRK are not Russia, which owns almost all the treasures of natural pantries (though the organized crime group has stolen it from the people).
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 November 2018 18: 01
        -1
        And if you introduce a blockade against the United States? - From the beginning of such daredevils with a similar power to the US Navy, you find.
      4. Peter Ivanov
        Peter Ivanov 22 November 2018 01: 17
        +2
        And the capitalists of the Russian Federation and their henchmen, and the besieged Leningrad are blamed! He is like a fistula in his ear.
    4. Tartary
      Tartary 20 November 2018 06: 38
      +5
      The wise used to say - "never say never ,,," Not all the current "wise" turn to the wisdom of their ancestors, but more and more they say their "wisdom" ,,, wink request
    5. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 20 November 2018 06: 39
      +14
      Quote: Puncher
      The author cannot understand .......
      But yesterday you demonstrated that you understood --- blacks cannot be called blacks, it is necessary --- blacks. Where does such tolerance come from? And compliance with other people's laws?
      1. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 20 November 2018 10: 02
        0
        Quote: Reptiloid
        But yesterday you demonstrated that you understood --- blacks cannot be called blacks, it is necessary --- blacks. Where does such tolerance come from? And compliance with other people's laws?

        Respect for other races is it a law? In my opinion, just education. If blacks do not like it when they are called "blacks", then why should I, knowing this, mention this word. If moral principles allow you to name Jews, Uzbeks, etc. otherwise, who will forbid you, but do not expect this from other people and do not impose your views.
        1. kiril1246
          kiril1246 20 November 2018 14: 06
          0
          Quote: Puncher
          otherwise Jews, Uzbeks, etc.

          But what about the Uzbeks?
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 November 2018 18: 04
        +2
        It is better to call blacks "Afrokvadratami" - that would not be offended.
    6. Tashkent citizen
      Tashkent citizen 20 November 2018 06: 48
      +8
      ... The last reserves of a bad experiment, chasing Cuba and North Korea in the agony.

      You still attribute rotting China here. And in general it will be great.
      1. Cartalon
        Cartalon 20 November 2018 09: 24
        +4
        And what does China have to do with it?
      2. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 20 November 2018 10: 03
        +1
        Quote: Tashkent
        You still attribute rotting China here. And in general it will be great.

        Is socialism in China? Or are they building communism? Oh how ...
      3. Tarhan
        Tarhan 20 November 2018 13: 27
        +2
        You still attribute rotting China here.

        The main thing in socialism is productive forces and means of production. The productive forces, the working class, own the means of production by factories, factories, that is, state property, and not private property.

        In today's China, private owners own the means of production, not the productive forces, the working class. Therefore, in China today there is no socialism, but a market capitalist economy. And the Chinese Communist Party, simply the ruling junta.
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 20 November 2018 16: 06
          +4
          In China, along with private production, nothing of the kind is largely owned by the state, while socialism did not tear away private property, during the time of I.V. Stalin, a network of various artels and small-scale production of consumer goods was very well developed.
          1. Tarhan
            Tarhan 20 November 2018 16: 31
            +1
            None of this in China, along with private production, the majority belong to the state

            Yes there is. But these state-owned companies operate according to the market system, that is, not according to plan. And China decided this functionality by the public execution of bribe takers and corrupt officials. And sending a 30 yuan bill to relatives of the executed is the cost of a cartridge.
      4. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 November 2018 18: 06
        -2
        There is no socialism in China, there is a communist party - the rest is a market economy.
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 20 November 2018 19: 48
          +2
          Quote: Tarkhan
          But these state-owned companies operate according to the market system, that is, not according to plan.

          Nothing of the kind, all enterprises in China, both state and private, are included in the general plan for the development of the economy.
          Quote: Vadim237
          There is no socialism in China, there is a communist party - the rest is a market economy.

          In China, there is now a transition period from capitalism to socialism, something similar happened in the USSR in the 20s. last century under the NEP.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 21 November 2018 00: 06
            -3
            No, it doesn’t, since 70% of the population didn’t have pensions, and there won’t be any - just as there are under 400 million poor and poor, it will remain as the market economy was, and it will remain so.
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 21 November 2018 22: 10
              +1
              Quote: Vadim237
              No, it doesn’t, since 70% of the population didn’t have pensions, and there won’t be any - just as there are under 400 million poor and poor, it will remain as the market economy was, and it will remain so.

              Before you say so, first understand what the transition period from capitalism to socialism is.
    7. Finches
      Finches 20 November 2018 06: 52
      +3
      Socialism is impossible in its pure form solely because of the imperfection of the human being, but even it has an inherent desire for justice - sooner or later, humanity will get to some third, hybrid political and economic formation, where it can combine the incompatible: social equality and justice with a thirst for exploitation and enrichment at the expense of others! And this path, the path of the search for a third model, humanity began precisely by seeing the economic and social successes of the USSR, which are based on the Stalin model of government! I’m not talking about excesses and repressions now - the main thing is the development strategy, but the followers of Joseph Vissarionovich didn’t understand it! Or didn’t want to understand ... Therefore, everything ended as it ended!
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 07: 07
        +2
        Quote: Finches
        Socialism is impossible in its pure form solely because of the imperfection of the human being,

        Justify your vices, Zyablitsov? Eh, you, an intellectual in uniform. drinks
        1. Finches
          Finches 20 November 2018 07: 58
          +3
          And mine including drinks
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      2. Campanella
        Campanella 21 November 2018 23: 39
        +1
        It is better if capitalism is virtualized a la natural. For example, you feel that communism bothers you once in this virtual world. As soon as the brains fall into place, then back to communism.
        Here is such a "castling".
        In general, I would develop different political formations in different republics (but under tight control) and, based on experience, adjust the general development trend of Russia.
        There is a wonderful form of an economic entity, a national enterprise, because they are being prevented from developing this form. Because this is a direct threat to the capitalists in terms of efficiency.
    8. Mcar
      Mcar 20 November 2018 06: 53
      -2
      Quote: Puncher
      The author cannot understand that, regardless of his opinion, a return to socialism-communism is impossible.

      And you cannot understand that a lost battle does not mean a lost war.
      1. Tarhan
        Tarhan 20 November 2018 13: 37
        -4
        And you cannot understand that a lost battle does not mean a lost war.

        So the defeat was laid down in the theory of communism by K. Marx.

        Marx proceeded from the fact that the relations of productive forces and means of production of the middle of the 19th century will remain forever. That is, the system of sweatshops on the conveyor. And from this I laid out my slogan - The ghost wanders through Europe, the ghost of communism.

        But as a scientist, Marx had to extrapolate his theory to changing times, to the development of society, economy, industry. Marx did not foresee, but as a scientist should, foresee the Scientific and Technical Revolution. Now there is no diaphoretic conveyor, there is not that mass of poor working class. The modern workshops of the factories are empty, robots and automatic machines are everywhere, only two, three employees of engineering and technical personnel flash.

        Today, the hegemon of society is not the working class, but R&D and the service sector.
        1. Mcar
          Mcar 20 November 2018 13: 44
          -2
          Those. You want to say that a social system in which a tiny percentage of people get everything, and the vast majority of s / n barely allowing us not to die right away is the crown of human development? And how is this crown so much different from slavery?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 20 November 2018 18: 07
            -3
            Freedom - that's what, do whatever you want - within the law.
            1. Mcar
              Mcar 20 November 2018 19: 24
              -9
              Quote: Vadim237
              Freedom - that's what, do whatever you want - within the law.

              So it was in the Union - do what you want, but do not break the law.

              Freedom or non-freedom has nothing to do with a social formation.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 21 November 2018 00: 08
                -6
                There were big problems with doing what you want in the USSR - in fact, then private farming could not be kept - that’s what freedom is.
                1. Mcar
                  Mcar 21 November 2018 05: 31
                  -4
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  There were big problems with doing what you want in the USSR

                  That's right!
                  Especially large bribe takers, it happened, were shot, and buggers were put in jail - what freedom is there. Barbarian country!
    9. Olgovich
      Olgovich 20 November 2018 07: 11
      -17
      Quote: Puncher
      The author cannot understand

      The author does not fully quote Stalin. And he said the following:
      The history of old Russia consisted, incidentally, in the fact that it was continuously beaten for backwardness. They beat the Mongol khans. They beat the Turkish beks. Beat the Swedish feudal lords. Beat Polish-Lithuanian pans. Beaten by the Anglo-French capitalists. Beat everyone

      What was complete lies on the entire history of Russia. It is enough just to look at the map of the world to be puzzled by the paradox: as a result of the eternal "beating" of Russia, by some miracle it turned into .... the largest state in the world with the fastest growing RUSSIAN people.

      But in just 70 years of subsequent continuous achievements, Russia has slipped to the borders ... of the 17th century and the dying Russian people. It is a fact.

      Mystery of repression

      The author has a simple question: did the Bolsheviks get the worst people in the world, which shoot hundreds of thousands their fellow citizens millions to send to dispossess millions and deprive of rights? Nowhere in the world has this happened. Nowhere!
      1. solzh
        solzh 20 November 2018 07: 53
        +5
        Quote: Olgovich
        had to shoot hundreds of thousands of their fellow citizens, exiled millions, dispossessed millions and deprived of their rights? Nowhere in the world has this happened. Nowhere!

        In the West there were and exist ghettos, Bantustans, reservations, McCarthyism flourished, military juntas, all kinds of fascist regimes, all kinds of Salazars, Franco and other Somos and pinochet.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 20 November 2018 08: 33
          -1
          My father told me about the tyrant and dictator Pinochet.
          May Day demonstration under the socialist Salvador Allende. A reportage showing a crowd of thousands of thin Chileans rejoicing in social reforms. A few years after Allende’s death, they show a protest against Pinochet. TV report showing thousands of well-fed Chileans protesting against a bloody tyrant laughing
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 20 November 2018 08: 37
          -8
          Quote: solzh
          In the West there were and exist ghettos, Bantustans, reservations, McCarthyism flourished, military juntas, all kinds of fascist regimes, all kinds of Salazars, Franco and other Somos and pinochet.

          Here it is SPECIFIC and say: WHERE have YOU done the same for YOUR people.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 09: 08
            +6
            Quote: Olgovich
            Here it is SPECIFIC and say: WHERE have YOU done the same for YOUR people.

            In England, Olgovich, in England. repeat Hundreds of thousands of criminals were exiled to Australia, and North America. Moreover, they were sold as slaves. Have you read about Captain Blood? His whole team consisted of slaves. Own compatriots bought slaves. Sugar plantations required labor, and the government made money on rioters. Dohtur Blood, as I recall, was convicted of providing medical assistance to the rebel, and sold for 10 pounds to Barbados.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 20 November 2018 09: 21
              -2
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              In England, Olgovich, in England. Hundreds of thousands of criminals were exiled to Australia, and North America. Moreover, they were sold as slaves. Have you read about Captain Blood? His whole team consisted of slaves. Own compatriots bought slaves. Sugar plantations required labor, and the government made money on rioters. Dohtur Blood, as I recall, was convicted of providing medical assistance to the rebel, and sold for 10 pounds to Barbados.

              1937-38: 780 death sentences only (Pavlov's certificate). WHAT England ?!
              By the way, you have not forgotten?
              1. Campanella
                Campanella 22 November 2018 00: 32
                0
                Shameless liberalistic chatter! Are you tired of posting the misinformation of our geopolitical enemy?
          2. solzh
            solzh 20 November 2018 09: 39
            +5
            Quote: Olgovich
            Here is SPECIFIC and say: WHERE

            England, France, Spain, Greece, Germany, China, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Paraguay, USA, South Africa, Cambodia
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 20 November 2018 10: 02
              -5
              Quote: solzh
              England, France, Spain, Greece, Germany, China, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Paraguay, USA, South Africa, Cambodia

              LYING.
              EXAMPLES cite, with numbers, dates (preferably the 20th century, but also the 19th):
              where the authorities undertook to shoot hundreds of thousands of their fellow citizens, exiled millions, dispossessed millions and deprived of their rights. And did it.

              I would like to note that the "damned capitalists-ksplotators" did not do THIS with their fellow citizens.
              1. Nick_R
                Nick_R 20 November 2018 11: 51
                -1
                Well, why is it a lie? In Africa, the ruler in the 20th century was generally a cannon. So there is the USSR, there is nothing to compare with, and Stalin is not the bloodiest dictator, but he is certainly in the top five over the past century.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 20 November 2018 12: 06
                  -5
                  Quote: Nick_R
                  In Africa, the ruler in the 20th century was generally a cannon.

                  and how many hundreds of thousands did he eat?
                  Quote: Nick_R
                  So there is the USSR, there is nothing to compare with, and Stalin is not the bloodiest dictator, but he is certainly in the top five over the past century.

                  name the five countries where SUCH happened with YOUR people in the 20th century. No. .
                  1. Andrey VOV
                    Andrey VOV 20 November 2018 16: 11
                    0
                    Kampuchea, aka Cambodia, 2 million annihilated citizens of the country, if you look at the percentage of the entire population, the hair stand on end.
                    The cultural revolution in China ... the number of victims is almost impossible to count
                    Chile of the times of Pinochet, thousands of executed, thousands of missing,
                    The famine organized by the British against the Irish ... tens of thousands of victims ...
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 20 November 2018 18: 12
                      -6
                      And under the Bolsheviks, the famine - in the name of industrialization, from 28 to 33gg from 4 to 7 million people who died from hunger - citizens of the USSR.
                      1. Rakti-kali
                        Rakti-kali 20 November 2018 19: 51
                        +1
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        And under the Bolsheviks, the famine - in the name of industrialization, from 28 to 33gg from 4 to 7 million people who died from hunger - citizens of the USSR.

                        And under landlords in Ireland, the Holodomor was just like that from 1845 to 1849, with a population of 8 million over four years, 1,5 million dead and almost 2 million fleeing the country, and British soldiers breaking roofs of Irish peasants in winter were unable to pay rent to landlords, who, not wanting to pay taxes on peasants, drives these peasants off the ground. And mind you, no Bolsheviks.
                      2. nezvaniy_gost
                        nezvaniy_gost 20 November 2018 20: 47
                        -2
                        But did landlords pretend to be communists, sing about universal equality, fraternity, etc.?
                      3. Rakti-kali
                        Rakti-kali 21 November 2018 00: 38
                        -1
                        Quote: nezvaniy_gost
                        But did landlords pretend to be communists, sing about universal equality, fraternity, etc.?

                        What's the difference what they sang? There were no communists there, and the population of Ireland was almost halved in just 5 years. And most importantly, no great goal, just "die faster so that I don't have to pay tax on you." Here even Salot Sar smokes nervously and enviously on the sidelines.
                      4. nezvaniy_gost
                        nezvaniy_gost 23 November 2018 09: 06
                        -1
                        ))) That is, you can kill the Communists, but landlords ay-ay-ay. interesting logic. And most importantly - for the sake of a great goal.
                      5. Hantengri
                        Hantengri 20 November 2018 21: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        in the name of industrialization, from 28 to 33gg from 4 to 7 million people who died of starvation - citizens of the USSR.

                        Calculations of supermortality, based on real documents, in the studio, pliz! And then, after all .... - do not toss the bags!
                      6. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 21 November 2018 00: 11
                        -3
                        After telling my relatives, there are enough of them - two villages have completely died out from starvation, in the region alone - the Volgograd region is 32 years old.
                      7. Hantengri
                        Hantengri 21 November 2018 01: 04
                        0
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        After telling my relatives, there are enough of them - two villages have completely died out from starvation, in the region alone - the Volgograd region is 32 years old.

                        Two villages, for the whole of the USSR (approx. 148 million) - this is, of course, oh-oh-a very representative sample, especially in the stories of relatives. (He’s lying, as an eyewitness didn’t hear, don’t?) How do your relatives' stories confirm 7 million victims of the famine of 1932-33? Well feel free! Prove it! All you have to do is do an elementary calculation, like this:
                        Quote: HanTengri
                        Based on the annual reports of the registry office:
                        The average mortality in the USSR for 1927-31gg - 2618,8 thousand
                        Super Mortality 1932 g - 2893,0 - 2618,8 = 274,2 thousand
                        1933 g - 4999,2 - 2618,8 = 2380,4 thousand
                        -------------------------------------------------- ---
                        Total: 2654,6 thousand + 20% (error of registry office data of that time) = 3185,5 thousand
                        Roughly 3 million 200 thousand
                        Moreover, this is the ceiling figure! This is all super-mortality, throughout the USSR, from all causes, and not only in areas affected by hunger!
                        The summary data can be taken here https://lost-kritik.livejournal.com/60121.html
                        Documents on istmath.
                        https://topwar.ru/146141-propagandistskaja-lozh-solzhenicyna.html#comment-id-8549050

                        PS 3,2 million victims - this, in my opinion, is a lot. But for you, these are, apparently, trifles not worthy of attention! So, prove your 4-7 million (relatives' stories to help you laughing ) And then, if Osos does not become terrible enough, how will you sleep ?!
                      8. Sugar Honeyovich
                        Sugar Honeyovich 21 November 2018 17: 08
                        +3
                        And if relatives from different districts and regions say that they have never heard of any famine, and even that 1933 was a very "well-fed year - the bread received for work was carried by vans to homes" - what is the conclusion in terms of 4-7 million?
                    2. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 21 November 2018 09: 04
                      -3
                      Quote: Andrey VOV
                      ampuchiya, she is Cambodia, 2 million annihilated citizens of the country, if you look at the percentage of the entire population, the hair stand on end.

                      150 thousand - not enough
                      Quote: Andrey VOV
                      The cultural revolution in China ... the number of victims is almost impossible to count

                      What then to talk about? By the way, they also built communism.
                      Quote: Andrey VOV
                      Chile of the times of Pinochet, thousands of executed, thousands of missing,

                      not serious.
                      Quote: Andrey VOV
                      The famine organized by the British against the Irish ... tens of thousands of victims ...

                      what age? What are you about?
                      Do not forget. what do you compare with the most cannibalistic regimes.
                      And here is the most popular
          3. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 20 November 2018 19: 56
            +1
            Quote: Olgovich
            Here it is SPECIFIC and say: WHERE have YOU done the same for YOUR people.

            Do not confuse, please. SO did not do with their people, but with the enemies of the people.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 20 November 2018 22: 23
              +4
              Somehow, some forgot about the liberal repressions of the 90s. It was precisely as a result of that demographic hole, the economic situation that even pension reform could not correct. (As Chubais recently said about the impossibility to fix it with the help of pension reform)
              As a result of liberal repressions, now 200 rich people of Russia own ~~~~ 485 billion $$$$$$, which increased the Central Bank reserves (433 billion $$$$) and the cash accumulations of the entire Russian population in banks (389 billion $$$$$), according to 2017
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 21 November 2018 09: 06
              -3
              Quote: Alexander Green
              Do not confuse, please. SO did not do with their people, but with the enemies of the people.

              ALL people make up the PEOPLE.
              Remember this.
              NO capitalist exploiters did this to their people.
        3. Tarhan
          Tarhan 20 November 2018 14: 18
          -5
          In the west there were and exist ghettos, bantustans, reservations,

          In total, there are about 300 reservations in the USA, but not every of the 550 officially recognized tribes has its own reservation - some tribes have several reserves, some do not have any.

          The largest in area is the Navajo Nation, a reservation of the Navajo people (about 64,7 thousand km²), however there are reservations whose territories do not exceed 50 km². In total, the Indians control 225,4 thousand km² of US territory, which is 2,3% of the entire country (9 km²). 629 reservations are larger than Rhode Island (091 km²), and 12 are larger than Delaware (3144 km²).

          The U.S. government recognizes tribal self-government. Tribes living on reserves have the right to form their own government, to formulate and enforce laws, to establish taxes, to grant citizenship to a tribe, to license and regulate almost all types of activities. In a legal sense, Native American reservations have rights that the US states have. Like the states, they cannot enter into official relations with other states (this is the prerogative of the federal government), declare war and issue money.

          The reservations are subject to both federal laws and laws established by the tribes themselves. State laws in most cases are not valid on the reservation. In most reservations, tribal courts and law enforcement agencies are active.

          Indians pay federal taxes, like the rest of the US. Residents of reservations do not pay state income tax if the source of their income is on the reservation and property tax is on the reservation.
      2. iury.vorgul
        iury.vorgul 20 November 2018 07: 54
        +20
        Nowhere in the world has this happened. Nowhere!
        Of course not. For example, in the USA, which was not affected by WWI, where, by the way, there was no revolution, no civil war, all of a sudden, for no reason, the Great Depression was formed. How many Americans passed into the better world during it is still unknown, since the demographic statistics for these years in the most democratic country in the world are for some reason closed. And the great savior Roosevelt of the unemployed and homeless Americans "completely voluntarily" drove into labor camps, where they plowed practically for free. But this cannot be compared with the horrors of the Gulag. Glory to the great Solzhenitsyn !!!!.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 20 November 2018 08: 44
          -15
          Quote: iury.vorgul

          Nowhere in the world has this happened. Nowhere!
          Of course it wasn’t.

          you did not answer the simplest question: the Bolsheviks got the worst people in the world shoot hundreds of thousands of fellow citizens, to send millions, to dispossess millions and to deprive of the rights?
          Quote: iury.vorgul
          The Great Depression. How many Americans went into the better world during it is still unknown, because demographic statistics over the years in the most democratic country in the world, somehow closed.

          Dull boring FALSE.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 09: 11
            +7
            Quote: Olgovich
            Dull boring FALSE.

            Especially when you consider their private prisons. laughing
          2. bistrov.
            bistrov. 20 November 2018 09: 27
            +9
            Quote: Olgovich
            Dull boring FALSE

            A lie about depression, as well as about an attempt to occupy Russia by the troops of the interventionists in 1918-19 (they came exclusively for "help" and at the "personal invitation of the German spy Lenin), and Stalin personally began the Second World War, and about the" millions "of those who were shot and frozen hunger in the gulags is all "exclusively true", hehe ...
            In your opinion, do criminals need to create such conditions as the current Russian government arranged for Tsepovyaz?
            I wonder how long it will take for characters like you to start repeating that the uprising of the people in Donbass was carried out by Russia solely for the purpose of "destroying ukrocivilization"?
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 20 November 2018 09: 44
              -9
              Quote: bistrov.
              A lie about depression, as well as about an attempt to occupy Russia by the troops of the interventionists in 1918-19 (they came exclusively for "help" and at the "personal invitation of the German spy Lenin), and Stalin personally began the Second World War, and about the" millions "of those who were shot and frozen hunger in the gulags is all "exclusively true", hehe ...
              In your opinion, do criminals need to create such conditions as the current Russian government arranged for Tsepovyaz?

              This is the answer to the question:
              that the Bolsheviks got the worst people in the world, that they had to shoot hundreds of thousands of their fellow citizens, exiled millions, dispossessed millions and deprived of their rights?
              ? belay lol
              Quote: bistrov.
              I wonder how long it will take for characters like you to start repeating that the uprising of the people in Donbass was carried out by Russia solely for the purpose of "destroying ukrocivilization"?

              those like you still praise those who FORCIDELY thrust Russian people of Donbass in the so-called "Ukraine". Now these people are forced to fight off the Ukraine created by YOU.
              Nearby, the same Russian, but in the Russian Donbass-calmly live!
              And Russian Yuzovka, Lugansk, like a bag of potatoes, was transferred to the so-called. ussr ....
            2. kiril1246
              kiril1246 20 November 2018 14: 11
              -4
              Quote: bistrov.
              Russian authorities arranged for Tsepovyaz?

              And what do you dislike about Tsepovyaz? Although he was fined, the baron and the conditions must have appropriate, and not like the others.
            3. Vadim237
              Vadim237 20 November 2018 18: 19
              -6
              Comrade Stalin believed in a non-aggression pact, so officially he was to blame for what happened in the summer of 41.
              1. Mcar
                Mcar 20 November 2018 19: 30
                -16
                Quote: Vadim237
                Comrade Stalin believed in a non-aggression pact, so officially he was to blame for what happened in the summer of 41.

                So he believed that working time increased by an hour to 8.
                So he believed that he introduced universal military duty.
                So he believed that in 4 days - June 18 he sent a directive to the troops on putting them on alert.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 21 November 2018 00: 16
                  -6
                  Yes, with a subscript "Do not submit to provocations" which essentially reduced to zero all combat readiness of the Red Army units in the border areas, and it is in itself proof that he believed to the last - "Hitler will not attack."
                  1. Mcar
                    Mcar 21 November 2018 05: 27
                    -7
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    he believed to the last - "Hitler will not attack."

                    Shake off the noodles. Or then open a pasta factory - it will be more useful.
          3. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 09: 40
            +4
            Quote: Olgovich
            Dull boring FALSE

            And, immediately a lie, then. Dull and boring. And they did not put the Japanese in concentration camps. During WWII. And thousands of their specialists in the USSR did not come to work, probably.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 20 November 2018 10: 05
              -5
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              And, immediately a lie, then. Dull and boring. And they did not put the Japanese in concentration camps. During WWII.

              Carrot looks like a finger, yes .... yes
          4. solzh
            solzh 20 November 2018 09: 46
            +4
            Quote: Olgovich
            Dull boring FALSE.

            Are you telling the truth?
            Quote: Olgovich
            that the Bolsheviks got the worst people in the world, that they had to shoot hundreds of thousands of their fellow citizens, send millions

            But did Russian tsarism get the same bad people? Or under tsarism there were no thousands of executed citizens? Or maybe there were no exiles?
            P.S. a tale about millions of repressed and executed in the USSR was invented in the west
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 20 November 2018 10: 12
              -7
              Quote: solzh
              Are you telling the truth?

              Yes.
              Quote: solzh
              But did Russian tsarism get the same bad people? Or under tsarism there were no thousands of executed citizens? Or maybe there were no exiles?

              Tell us, liar, about 780 executions for actually ONE year (Aug 000-Aug1937) in the Republic of Ingushetia. About millions dispossessed, millions exiled to RI,. belay
              Quote: solzh
              P.S. a tale about millions of repressed and executed in the USSR was invented in the west

              Tell the truth! yes
              And immediately answer: WHERE were there even those numbers that you recognize?
              Anyway, nowhere!
              1. solzh
                solzh 20 November 2018 16: 17
                +4
                Quote: Olgovich
                Tell me, liar

                I can’t understand if you have hysteria or menopause?
                The liar is you. You are lying impudently saying that in one year 780000 people were shot in the USSR.

                http://red-sovet.su/post/28731

                The link provided a document according to which in the USSR from 1921 to the beginning of 1954, 642 people were sentenced to death for political charges. Signed a document:
                Attorney General R. Rudenko
                Minister of the Interior S. Kruglov
                Minister of Justice K. Gorshenin
                It is also said in that article that I am quoting: "However, there are more detailed data on the number of those sentenced to death for counter-revolutionary and other especially dangerous state crimes." According to other data, the number of those sentenced to capital punishment for the period from 1921 to 1953 is 815 people.
                Quote: Olgovich
                And immediately answer: WHERE were there even those numbers that you recognize?
                Anyway, nowhere!

                I have already brought you countries where there were more murders.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 21 November 2018 09: 13
                  -4
                  Quote: solzh
                  Я I can not understandDo you have hysteria or menopause?
                  The liar is you. You are lying impudently saying that in one year 780000 people were shot in the USSR.

                  Those who already have
                  Quote: solzh
                  climacteric

                  I lick you, liar to Pavlov’s help, where indicated number of sentences of VMN for one, actual, year Augst 37-Aug 38.
                  now show the same, for RI, that you falsely claimed.
                  Quote: solzh
                  I have already brought you countries where there were more murders.

                  Lies have led.
              2. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 20 November 2018 21: 05
                -1
                Quote: Olgovich
                Tell us, liar, about 780 executions for actually ONE year (Aug 000-Aug1937) in the Republic of Ingushetia. About millions dispossessed, millions exiled to RI,

                780 raster sentences, by the way, is the information of the Memorial, but only for 000-1921. Study the question dear smile
              3. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 20 November 2018 21: 07
                0
                Quote: Olgovich
                Are you telling the truth?

                Yes.

                truth does not mean truth. Truth does not mean absolute. The truth is that Stalin is simply necessary today
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 21 November 2018 09: 15
                  -5
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  truth does not mean truth. Truth does not mean absolute. The truth is that Stalin is simply necessary today

                  Monter Mechnikov: "The answer is the equivalent of a thought" lol laughing
                  With what I congratulate.
              4. Revival
                Revival 21 November 2018 18: 43
                -2
                So there you go! Why millions to exile in the Republic of Ingushetia if they were serfs already !?
                Originally slaves since birth!
                And this is power and YOUR people!
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 22 November 2018 09: 01
                  -1
                  Quote: Revival
                  So there you go! Why millions to exile in the Republic of Ingushetia if they were serfs already !?
                  Originally slaves since birth!
                  And this is power and YOUR people!

                  "Slaves" had much more in RI rights... than "non-workers" in the USSR: parties, different newspapers, books, thoughts. jury trials, elections, humane justice and punishment. freedom of movement, entrepreneurship and others.
          5. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 20 November 2018 21: 09
            +1
            Quote: Olgovich
            you didn’t answer the simplest question: did the Bolsheviks get the worst people in the world, that they had to shoot hundreds of thousands of their fellow citizens, exiled millions, dispossessed millions and deprived of their rights?

            Today's Russian oligarchs have gotten good people, they are slowly dying, grumbling but will not stir, no one needs to be shot, neither the oligarchs nor the people ...
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 21 November 2018 09: 16
              -3
              Quote: aybolyt678
              Today's Russian oligarchs have gotten good people, they are slowly dying, grumbling but will not stir, no one needs to be shot, neither the oligarchs nor the people ...

              in the 37s they were brawling, yes
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      3. Ural resident
        Ural resident 20 November 2018 10: 35
        -10
        Quote: Olgovich
        The author has a simple question: did the Bolsheviks get the worst people in the world, that they had to shoot hundreds of thousands of their fellow citizens, exiled millions, dispossessed millions and deprived of their rights? Nowhere in the world has this happened. Nowhere!
        Reply

        I constantly say, what are those who want to return it thinking? Surely not about the fact that they themselves can fall under the distribution - they want to "teach others" and most likely themselves would be happy to take the helm. In our family and in my environment, almost everyone in one way or another suffered from repression, and in wars too, the family, the entire family line was cut to the root. Did the ancestors fight for centuries, survived, raised numerous descendants, the Russian gene pool, so that later some temporary workers would shoot them or rot them in the camps?

        Your comment is the voice of one crying in the desert at this marginal Stalinist forum, but there is a plus for it. Thank God in our country basically people already think differently than here, and the young post-Soviet generation will not understand what it is about now, therefore there is reason to believe that there will never be a return to this pool.
        1. Claymore
          Claymore 20 November 2018 15: 37
          +2
          Quote: Resident of the Urals
          In our family and in my environment, almost everyone suffered from repression in one way or another

          What a criminal family - just the mafia. lol
        2. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 20 November 2018 20: 05
          +3
          Quote: Resident of the Urals
          the young post-Soviet generation will not understand what it is all about, so there is reason to believe that there will never be a return to this pool.

          The young generation from working families is now being trained by capitalism, the class proletarian consciousness is ripening in it, which is already beginning to tell young people why some work for 10 hours, but they cannot earn anything, while others do not work at all, and they have everything and only with fat furious.
        3. Olgovich
          Olgovich 22 November 2018 09: 07
          0
          Quote: Resident of the Urals
          the young post-Soviet generation will not understand what it is all about, so there is reason to believe that there will never be a return to this pool.

          Of course. this will never happen again, not hundreds of thousands of people executed in peacetime. not millions of dead from hunger in peacetime, nor millions of deported-dispossessed ....
      4. NordUral
        NordUral 20 November 2018 11: 17
        +7
        You are a liar, Olgovich! She slipped thanks to your idols.
      5. victor50
        victor50 21 November 2018 15: 16
        +2
        Quote: Olgovich
        Nowhere in the world has this happened. Nowhere!

        Are you sure? And the great French bourgeois revolution? I think by the standards of France and the limited timing when this was happening, the French are not inferior to us, but rather superior. By the way, the Bolsheviks did not come up with anything new, and many of the things used by the bourgeois did not even use, obviously struck by their inhumanity. wink Will you deny? They also got the wrong people? Or is it all that revolutions are happening (were) happening?
      6. Campanella
        Campanella 21 November 2018 23: 52
        0
        Stalin had a synonym for the words beat, attacked.
    10. Pravodel
      Pravodel 20 November 2018 07: 43
      +9
      Dear Puncher, you need to understand that the times of predation, robbery, the times of the robbery of peoples for the well-being of moneybags will sooner or later end. Will sink into the summer, all these Khodorkovsky, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, etc. will disappear. robbers sitting on the hump of their own and alien people.
      Yes, the experiment with socialism and communism in the USSR failed, but this does not mean that socialism and communism is a dead end for the development of mankind. On the contrary, the Soviet Union with socialism and communism was ahead of its own time in its development, and therefore, like everything that comes ahead of time, did not live to victory, to its prosperity, was ruined by leadership errors and betrayal of the upper elite.
      But pay attention to China, which took into account the mistakes of the USSR, did not abandon the basic principles of socialism: a planned economy, a focus on internal development, on reproduction and human development, and therefore now flourishes and has become the first economy in the world. Ultimately, it was the combination of economic entrepreneurial initiative with planned management methods that ensured the breakthrough in development that China had made at the turn of the late twentieth and early twenty-first century.
      On the question of the rotting of Cuba and the DPRK. These countries, small by world standards, provide an example of courage and heroism, an example of the indomitable resilience of a people that has survived, has been preserved in the conditions of the most severe imperialist blockade of predators who seek to tear to pieces, to bite the resisting country, who seek to destroy every opportunity for resistance. Surviving the collapse of the USSR, when external support and assistance ceased altogether, these countries, taking into account previous lessons, God forbid, will receive an impetus for their development. They have not lost everything yet ... With the support of, above all, capital, these countries are able to become an oasis and demonstrate to the rest of the robbed countries an example of the possibility of survival and prosperity in the conditions of the imperialist blockade, the rule of imperialist predators for other oppressed and torn states of Asia, Africa, and Latin America - USA backyard.

      People-State-Fatherland
      - this is the slogan of every Russian patriot. A strong state, a united people, a prosperous Fatherland, which cannot be broken by internal and external enemies.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 07: 59
        +5
        Quote: The Truth
        But pay attention to China, which took into account the mistakes of the USSR, did not abandon the basic principles of socialism: a planned economy, a focus on internal development, on reproduction and human development, and therefore now flourishes and has become the first economy in the world. Ultimately, it was the combination of economic entrepreneurial initiative with planned management methods that ensured the breakthrough in development that China had made at the turn of the late twentieth and early twenty-first century.

        "Our response to Chamberlain" is a slogan that appeared in connection with a note from the British government to the Soviet on February 23, 1927, signed by the British Foreign Minister Joseph Austin Chamberlain and the Soviet propaganda campaign that followed in response. Austin Chamberlain's note demanded that the USSR stop "anti-British propaganda" and military support for the revolutionary Kuomintang government in China. "Vo! I will carry on propaganda!
      2. akunin
        akunin 20 November 2018 08: 13
        0
        Quote: The Truth
        that the times of predation, robbery, the times of the looting of peoples for the well-being of moneybags will end sooner or later. Will sink into the summer, all these Khodorkovsky, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, etc. will disappear. robbers sitting on the hump of their own and alien people.

        Are you talking about communism? The vices of society disappear with society, and not a vicious society, but a vicious conception, only in the gospel.
      3. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 20 November 2018 08: 44
        +1
        China may not have abandoned the planned economy, but the West has already become a cheap production site. Now the Chinese Communists are considering introducing a pension (or maybe they have already introduced it) for all categories of the population, and not just for officials, party members and security officials with top managers of capitalist concerns laughing
      4. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 20 November 2018 09: 18
        -9
        Quote: The Truth
        times of predation, robbery, times of robbery of peoples for the well-being of moneybags will sooner or later end. Will sink into the summer, all these Khodorkovsky, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, etc. will disappear. robbers sitting on the hump of their own and alien people.

        Downright Marxist rechekryak from propaganda papers of the early 20th century. Did you not pay attention to the fact that as soon as "these Khodorkovskys, Rothschilds, Rockefellers" disappeared from the countries of "victorious socialism" in these very countries, epidemics of poverty, lack of culture and terror began?
      5. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 20 November 2018 10: 12
        -5
        Quote: The Truth
        but this does not mean that socialism and communism is a dead end for the development of mankind.

        Can you tell me where and when this experiment will continue? I mean, what do you think of communism as a progressive path of development, and therefore everything should ultimately come down to it. In which country do you see the beginnings?
        Quote: The Truth
        These countries, small by world standards, set an example of courage and heroism, an example of people's indomitable resilience

        You draw conclusions for all the people of these countries knowing full well that thousands of citizens died in order to escape from "paradise", where is such confidence?
        Quote: The Truth
        With the support of, above all, capital, these countries are able to become an oasis and set an example to other robbed countries.

        Like China and Vietnam, spitting on communist dogmas and returning to capitalism. Good example.
        1. Pravodel
          Pravodel 20 November 2018 11: 02
          +1
          Dear Puncher,
          1. the fact that communism as an idea did not translate into reality in the USSR is not a disaster, but the merit of the USSR. The collapse of the USSR and the collapse of socialism - communism means that you cannot run ahead in development, you cannot violate the laws of economic and social development: the path to socialism and communism is a long and difficult one. Not everyone can stand it.
          2. About the whole people and about thousands, thousands of people, I would beware to speak. But, one thing is obvious, the state of Cuba, the DPRK did not fall apart, they exist, the power of the elite is not lost. Faced with the difficulties associated with the imperialist blockade, but survive and, God forbid, as Russia will strengthen, will develop normally.
          3. For information: China and Vietnam did not spit on communist dogma. Communist parties in China and Vietnam are ruling. The Communist Party of China and Vietnam took into account the experience of the USSR and try to avoid the repetition of its mistakes. They do it very well. The USSR taught them a lot.
          People-State-Fatherland

          - this is the slogan of every Russian patriot. A strong state, a united people, a prosperous Fatherland, which cannot be broken by internal and external enemies.
      6. NordUral
        NordUral 20 November 2018 11: 21
        +3
        That's right, Pravodel! I’ll only add this: if so many (or even part) of technologies and investments had been poured into the USSR at one time as in China, then today the whole world would be socialist.
      7. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 November 2018 18: 30
        -3
        And here is a more modern slogan for every patriot - create your own business, provide people with decent earnings, respect the work of others and try to ensure that the fruits of your joint work bring more benefits to society.
        1. Mcar
          Mcar 20 November 2018 19: 39
          -13
          Quote: Vadim237
          But a more modern slogan for every patriot - create your own business

          Carrot in front of a donkey's face.

          It is proved by the whole existence of capitalism - no more than 5% of the makings of entrepreneurship are. In your opinion, if the business was created - Ivan Petrovich, did not create - a lousy bastard. So?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 21 November 2018 00: 18
            -6
            At the moment, half of the population has the makings of entrepreneurship. "Not created - a lousy bastard. So?" - How critical you are of yourself.
            1. Mcar
              Mcar 21 November 2018 05: 21
              -10
              You will be clever with your wife in the bedroom. When she will also respond to suggestions with a question mark.

              Quote: Vadim237
              At the moment, to entrepreneurship - the makings of half the population.

              You can crawl on sites yourself. But here, one comrade did this and summed up for us: https://antonbv.livejournal.com/40952.html

              In the West, the most optimistic survival rate for new businesses under the age of 3 years is 70%, 5 years - 50%, 10 years - 20%.

              In the Russian Federation, the survival rate of a new business for 3 years is about 30%. For 7-10 years - 5%.
    11. Forestol
      Forestol 20 November 2018 07: 51
      +7
      but you don’t understand that Man became Man after he came up with God, morality and justice. Socialism, Communism, even though it would be declared. Today, the law of the jungle is in business all over the world, so is today's man better than a tiger, a wolf, a monkey? Or are you a supporter of those who believed that the extinct 30 million people in Russia simply “did not fit into the market”? And who are you then?
      1. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 20 November 2018 10: 14
        -7
        Quote: Forestol
        Socialism, Communism, even though it would be declared.

        You are not familiar with the sources. Read the manifesto of the Communist Party, perhaps you will understand what they declared there.
        1. Mcar
          Mcar 20 November 2018 19: 40
          -11
          Quote: Puncher
          Read the manifesto of the Communist Party, perhaps you will understand what they declared there.

          Well, share it. He is wondering what horrors and abominations were declared there.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 November 2018 18: 31
        +1
        Officially in Russia over 10 years, from 91 to 2001, 10 million died - it’s good to invent 30 and so on.
        1. Campanella
          Campanella 22 November 2018 00: 10
          0
          Officially, we have no unemployment! Our average salary is 30 tyr. And most importantly, we are all equal before the law.
          You are not tired of repeating agitation brought from the USA?
    12. Moskovit
      Moskovit 20 November 2018 08: 13
      -2
      It is funny that many advocates of Stalinism would be quickly sent to the bunk for criticizing the regime. And they would even thrive those who, choking with delight, sing odes of the time in which they did not live. For order.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 20 November 2018 11: 30
        +4
        Rather, you did not live, Moskovit. And I was born in the Urals, where my parents were exiled. Mother - Vologda, father Volga German. Grandfathers sat all, there was a cause, peasants, especially northern, stubborn people.
        And the city was half, if not more, of the exiles. But when Stalin died, there were so many crying people on his streets that scared us children, since this had never happened. Although they often buried then, the war and after the victory took their victims.
        At whose funeral of our rulers after Stalin did we shed at least one tear?
        1. Moskovit
          Moskovit 20 November 2018 13: 31
          0
          In any case, you too cannot talk about that life. My father also told me that he was small, that steam locomotives and factories were buzzing. People cried and thought what would happen to them next. But these are emotions. The people were cheated, saying that thanks to the genius of Stalin, everyone is alive. Then tomorrow came, and life continued, and no one died. And the country did not fall apart.
          On the other hand, how many millions cursed him? It was just fraught, to show their feelings.
          I am not at all some kind of anti-Stalinist. But we must soberly and calmly understand all its pros and cons, and not deal with mutual curses. IMHO
          1. Campanella
            Campanella 21 November 2018 17: 13
            +1
            It is not strange, but now we can say that after the death of Stalin the USSR fell apart. I think this would definitely not have happened under him.
      2. Campanella
        Campanella 22 November 2018 00: 23
        0
        Here I agree with you, because anti-Stalinists would quickly run to knock on neighbors, on personal enemies and simply out of hatred of the regime. The Soviet Union died because of people who could survive in any system and float up at an amazing rate of feces.
        Now you are criticizing Stalin, and under Stalin you would have stigmatized Bukharin and Kamenev.
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    14. Nick_R
      Nick_R 20 November 2018 09: 35
      -7
      Another Stalinist aggravation. The next will be in the spring.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 20 November 2018 11: 31
        0
        Nikolai, you don’t have to be rude.
    15. Nick_R
      Nick_R 20 November 2018 09: 59
      -7
      I read the article and suddenly realized: a normal article. Well, in the sense, it is NORMAL when with age you begin to think about eternal things. Many at this time begin to go to church. But not the true Communists and Stalinists. Persuasion does not allow them. I really WANT. So the fantasy begins to seethe. And it leads about the same way: to FAITH in the communist PARADISE, to Stalin-the PROPHET and to the DEAD capitalists. They even build prayer rooms with a bust of Stalin in the CPSU department.
      Communist brothers, do not be shy, it’s high time to call a spade a spade and recognize Marxism-Leninism-Stalinism as a religion. Naturally the most Orthodox, Orthodox and the only true. And may Stalin be with you!
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 20 November 2018 11: 33
        +4
        Before you understand the souls of others, understand yours.
    16. Tutejszy
      Tutejszy 20 November 2018 14: 04
      -4
      Quote: Puncher
      The last reserves of a bad experiment chasing Cuba and North Korea in agony.

      In fact, the Communists are also in power in China. Catching up - or?
      The main difference from the USSR is that Mao had the intelligence not to kill the emperor and his family, and his successors to establish normal relations with religious communities!
    17. Revival
      Revival 20 November 2018 15: 56
      +3
      Just imagine that the neighbors are against you, because they believe that yours is rightfully theirs, but you did not give it away.
      And then they will set fire to the door, they will trample out the fields, they will not sell you in a local store, and so on ...
      Do you think you'll live well?
      Cuba and DPRK example incorrect
    18. tank64rus
      tank64rus 20 November 2018 16: 58
      +2
      And who needs this mess of liberal-oligarchic criminal freemen. 1% is yes. And 99% say no. What this 1% is doing is no longer capitalism, but real feudalism. Already and the right of "first night" for the master was returned. I don't want to write about the "initiatives" of the government and the Duma, this is a level below the plinth.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 November 2018 18: 41
        -3
        And what do they get up to - can you personally sechin with Miller, Abramovich and Rotenberg take bread from a plate?
        1. Campanella
          Campanella 21 November 2018 17: 21
          +1
          And who are they taking from? Do Trump or something? What did they gain for yards of money? They were engaged in geological exploration, paved roads, opened wells? All this people did!
          And now, people have it in their pockets, and they build palaces, they buy yachts for women, planes.
    19. NikolaiN
      NikolaiN 20 November 2018 18: 26
      +1
      Quote: Puncher
      Caught in the agony of Cuba and North Korea

      Did you forget to mention China ...
    20. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty 20 November 2018 19: 01
      0
      Quote: Puncher
      The last reserves of a bad experiment chasing Cuba and North Korea in agony.

      The whole history of mankind is a path of trial and error. Failed experiments are also an integral part of this journey.
      If after each failed experiment people would give up, humanity would still be sitting in caves or trees today.
      And in general, this is not about returning to the past stage, but the next step to a more reasonable structure of human society than the existing one. Today you can call this device anything you like. Those who build it themselves will come up with a suitable name for it.
      It is important not the name, but the principles on which this society will be built.
      And the head will definitely not be the principle of maximizing profit. No.
    21. LeonidL
      LeonidL 20 November 2018 20: 59
      +5
      Is the People's Republic of China particularly active under the leadership of the CCP?
    22. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 20 November 2018 21: 02
      +4
      Quote: Puncher
      The author cannot understand that, regardless of his opinion, a return to socialism-communism is impossible. Never.

      Socialism - communism is inevitable in one form or another.
      1. Tartary
        Tartary 22 November 2018 07: 03
        0
        Exactly! And according to Florensky - "the power of common sense" or otherwise - Idealizm ,,,
    23. vvnab
      vvnab 21 November 2018 08: 42
      +4
      Quote: Puncher
      The author cannot understand that, regardless of his opinion, a return to socialism-communism is impossible. Never. The last reserves of a bad experiment chasing Cuba and North Korea in agony. Therefore, shaking the air with curses against the capitalists is pointless.


      Yeah, they probably also spoke during the restoration of the monarchy in 19th-century France! )
      The transition to communism is inevitable! This is dictated by the laws of the development of society. But revolution is a process! Albeit transient, by historical standards, but still a process. The transition from "primitive communism" to slavery took millennia, from slavery to feudalism - a good thousand years, the period of bourgeois revolutions - 300 years (from the first in the Netherlands at the turn of the 16-17 centuries to the February Russian). Are we now at the "end of history"?
      No! Still just getting started! )))
    24. Russian
      Russian 21 November 2018 12: 38
      -6
      Speak correctly. The Union has sunk into oblivion and will not be reborn in the near future. A certain similar formation may appear, but already by itself, voluntarily and somewhere in the West. Without repression, collectivization and other Soviet horrors. Just in the process of human evolution, his moral growth.
      This happens gradually in Sweden, Norway and other developed countries.
      The danger to this process comes from the East, from migrants
    25. Campanella
      Campanella 21 November 2018 15: 58
      +2
      You want to say that you can return to capitalism, but not to socialism?
      And many argue that "socialism" has already been built in the leading capitalist countries.)))
    26. Faceless
      Faceless 22 November 2018 11: 29
      +1
      Quote: Puncher
      The author cannot understand that, regardless of his opinion, a return to socialism-communism is impossible. Never. The last reserves of a bad experiment chasing Cuba and North Korea in agony. Therefore, shaking the air with curses against the capitalists is pointless.


      It's not about the possibility or impossibility of returning the USSR. This is an assessment of both that era, in our country, and capitalism: then and now.

      In addition, another extremely important message follows from the article: stop being ashamed of what you should be proud of.
      This article is a protest and an answer to those liberals who are ready to endlessly scourge "wretched Russia" and trumpet that Stalin is a bloody tyrant, and apart from repression and "accidental victory at the cost of great stupidity and unjustified victims", his rule cannot be noted.

      Yes, the article has a number of generalizations that are excusable for journalism, but it is saturated not only and not so much with pride for I.V. Stalin directly, but with pride for our people and for the great era, in which there were a lot of undeservedly forgotten good, and there are still many unlearned lessons. Unlearned by us.

      But any achievements can be approached or repeated only by realizing them, analyzing the causes and effects, and evaluating the works, efforts and results, recognizing the mistakes made.
      Moreover, if you hush up achievements and smear the entire historical period with gray-black paint, then it will be impossible to learn the lessons of history, as well as repeat the great feat that the Soviet people could create in those days.
  2. Basil50
    Basil50 20 November 2018 05: 59
    +17
    The Caucasians, and those who are paid by these Caucasians, claim to Joseph VISSARIONOVICH STALIN only that he dared to rebuild and defend the Soviet Union. Yelling about * repression * is nothing more than an excuse to just ruin the air and nothing more. Today liberals do not hesitate to voice their Wishlist. And it all comes down to the requirement to make a colony of the USA and Caucasians from RUSSIA, of course, under the leadership of liberals with democrats.
    The liberals' claims to the SOVIET UNION are still absurd and at the same time do not be shy to lick the USA. A country that only in 2014 finally abolished slavery. Also disgusting are those who fled west * for freedom * spoiling their own country. At the same time, they were silent about the endless wars that the United States waged and about the colonies of Caucasians. They praised and praised the Caucasians only because they themselves were well fed and even clapped on the shoulder, and some were published.
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 20 November 2018 06: 12
      -16
      Quote: Vasily50
      They praised and praised the Caucasians only because they themselves were well fed and even clapped on the shoulder, and some were published.

      How much hatred towards Europeans from a citizen enjoying the fruits of European science, medicine and education, perhaps even serving in the army, which is structured according to the European model.
      1. Tartary
        Tartary 20 November 2018 06: 47
        +12
        It’s enough to pour mantras here ,,, laughing Yaropolk apparently was so named according to the European model? And the Slavs never had any medicine with science? About the 49 letters in Slavic writing, the Hole Puncher apparently never heard of? Where do we - the Slavs compete with the alphabet of the Anglo-Saxons ,,, and therefore with the education of the Saxons ,,, laughing laughing tongue
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 07: 39
          +14
          Quote: Tartary
          Where do we - the Slavs compete with the alphabet of the Anglo-Saxons ,,, and therefore with the education of the Saxons ,,,

          When they took birch bark letters to the Scandinavians for the exhibition, one of their newspapers wrote: "While our ancestors carved runes on the stone, the Slavs were writing letters to each other with might and main."
          Here, by the way, is an example of creativity.
          Certificate No. 752:
          “I sent you three times. What evil do you have against me that you did not come to me? And I treated you like a brother! And you, I see, it’s not like. If you were comfortable, you would have escaped from human eyes and come. Maybe I hurt you by my own unreasonableness, but if you start to make fun of me, then God judge you. "
          Certificate No. 842:
          “So we sent 16 bunches of honey, and three pots of oil. And on Wednesday, two pigs and a sausage. "
          That's it. Our answer to Chamberlain. laughing
          1. BAI
            BAI 20 November 2018 12: 01
            +5
            Certificate No. 752:
            "I sent to you three times.

            Here the most interesting is the WRITTEN WOMAN wrote (although, perhaps, the scribe was dictated).
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 12: 08
              +3
              Quote: BAI
              Here the most interesting is the WRITTEN WOMAN wrote (although, perhaps, the scribe was dictated).

              A scribe would hardly have been trusted. It’s clear that he writes to his lover. Guys wrote easier. Here:
              No. 566: "Be on Saturday to rye or give the message."
              diploma No. 377: “Marry me. I want you, and you want me. ”
        2. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 20 November 2018 09: 20
          -4
          Quote: Tartary
          About the 49 letters in Slavic writing, the Hole Puncher apparently never heard of?

          I will tell you more, even archaeologists have not heard about these 49 letters. But pseudo-historical freaks, like those invented by ancient ukrov.
          1. Tartary
            Tartary 22 November 2018 07: 10
            0
            That is, Az, Buki, Vedi ,,, and so on, you affirmatively say that it was NOT ?? lol
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 06: 47
        +11
        Quote: Puncher
        How much hatred towards Europeans from a citizen enjoying the fruits of European science,

        But the Europeans do not use the fruits of Soviet science?
        Quote: Puncher
        medicine and education

        Hehe. Read T. Wolfe's Battle for Space. You will learn many interesting things why the Congress began to allocate money for education.
        Quote: Puncher
        which is arranged according to the European model.

        And we need it?
        Oh you who want
        Transform, ruin us
        And Germanize Russia, heed
        My heartfelt exclamation!

        You arrogant and daring people,
        You rash stronghold.
        Teachings of the school of the godless,
        You all are not Russian people!
        Russia is completely alien to you,
        Your dear country!
        Her traditions are holy
        You hate everything.

        You denied them cowardly
        You kiss the dad’s shoe, -
        The venerable ancestors son of the disobedient,
        Total stranger is a proud slave!
        N. Yazykov. "To not ours."
        1. Hole puncher
          Hole puncher 20 November 2018 10: 30
          -6
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Read T. Wolfe's Battle for Space.

          If you are interested in the space theme, you should know that before familiarizing with the works and rockets of Werner Von Braun, the USSR had nothing close to it. Without trophies, the USSR would have no space.
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          But the Europeans do not use the fruits of Soviet science?

          Of course they are, and not only them. Here are just the role of European scientists and inventors on a global scale several orders of magnitude higher than everyone else. This is not because they are more ingenious, just in Europe conditions were created for this.
          For example. Everyone knows that the screw-cutting lathe (the most important discovery on a global scale) was invented by A.K. Nartov in Russia, but with his death it all ended, his invention did not give an impetus to world industry. Because there were no conditions for that. And only when the model was repeated after many years, screw-cutting lathes became the basis of mechanical engineering.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 11: 10
            +5
            Quote: Puncher
            If you are interested in the space theme, you should know that before familiarizing with the works and rockets of Werner Von Braun, the USSR had nothing close to it. Without trophies, the USSR would have no space.

            Exactly. Wernher von Braun was taken by the Americans, but he could not overtake the USSR. And the work "Battle for Space", which explicitly states that the USA is losing to the USSR at school, was recognized as the best American work of the decade. When Wolfe wrote about modern American education: "I am Charlotte Simmons," all the dogs were let down on him. It looks painfully unsightly.
            Quote: Puncher
            This is not because they are more ingenious, just in Europe conditions were created for this.

            Nonsense. You will not find a single Negro among the great scientists, no matter what conditions they create. The same with the Chinese. Or with the Indians. I studied with them, I do not understand how you can stupid so much.
            Quote: Puncher
            And only when the model was repeated after many years, screw-cutting lathes became the basis of mechanical engineering.

            So this is the very thoughtless worship of the West, and mistrust of our inventors. The German Ekaterina would learn from them. Or Suvorov.
            “As soon as Suvorov saw Kulibin at the other end of the hall, he quickly approached him, stopped a few steps away, made a low bow and said:

            - Your mercy!

            Then, approaching Kulibin another step, he bowed even lower and said:

            - Your honor!

            Finally, going completely to Kulibin, he bowed to the waist and added:

            - Your respect to my wisdom!

            Then he took Kulibin by the hand, asked him about his health, and turning to the whole assembly, he said:

            - God have mercy, a lot of intelligence! He will invent us a flying carpet! "
            Kulibin, from his bounty, gave inventions to people, and cunning foreigners will then arrange a real hunt for the master’s drawings and appropriate for himself his most high-profile inventions.

            Want some examples? You are welcome! The optical telegraph invented by Kulibin will be purchased 35 years after the described event by the tsarist government from the French. Three-wheeled crew-scooter Kulibina with a flywheel, brake, gearbox in a hundred years will form the basis of the car chassis of Karl Benz. The “mechanical leg” he created for an officer who lost a limb during the Ochakov assault will form the basis of current prostheses. The same applies to the method of rope polygon he invented, without which there would not be such openwork and very strong modern bridges. And even more - the basis for the construction of the famous Beijing Bird's Nest stadium, where Olympians compete today, is the ideas expressed in the XNUMXth century by Kulibin.
            http://zema.su/blog/velikii-russkii-izobretatel-samouchka-ivan-petrovich-kulibin
      3. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 20 November 2018 06: 58
        +5
        Quote: Puncher
        ..... How much hatred towards Europeans from a citizen enjoying the fruits ......
        He bought all the fruits for his hard-earned ones, and received not a gift! And the sellers got their profit. What to thank for?
      4. Forestol
        Forestol 20 November 2018 07: 58
        +10
        Kindergarten. And they are heated by our gas. They listen to Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninov and read and honor Leo Tolstoy, who was spat upon, by the way, by that very Russia of the beginning of the 20th century! And yet, the whole West counts with the help of Arabic mathematics. A certain Uzbek Avicen is still an authority in medicine. These are the fruits of human civilization. Ahead of you, I’ll inform you that television was invented in the USSR, like much more ....
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 20 November 2018 08: 51
          -6
          Not in this case. People here argue who is better - Europeans or Russians, without understanding one important thing - Russia is part of European culture and civilization, with its very considerable contribution and, like other Europeans, borrowing from neighbors near and far. And whoever wrote to someone on birch bark or something else - again.
      5. NordUral
        NordUral 20 November 2018 11: 45
        +4
        Do not distort, Puncher. Hatred is not towards Europeans, but at the top of the West. But you were either not taught very well, or tightly fed that you were so fussed.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 20 November 2018 14: 56
          +2
          Quote: NordUral
          Do not distort, Puncher. Hatred is not towards Europeans, but at the top of the West. But you were either not taught very well, or tightly fed that you were so fussed.

          Somehow suspiciously observes the laws of another country, not to call blacks blacks, but blacks .....
    2. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 20 November 2018 06: 48
      +16
      I also have this opinion. Stalin twice raised the country! He is bad! Gorbachev sold everything. He is good! Yeltsin continued the work of Gorbachev. Him Center! Maybe it’s worth looking at everything from this angle? Stalin had communist ideas !? What kind? The power of the world proletariat? And the power of world capital, how is it? Why are they silent about Tsar Ivan the Terrible? Was he also a communist? Under him, too, Russia grew. Maybe everything is very simple? Those rulers who worked for the good of the country are simply cursed, and those who sold the country are exalted? Where is Mazepa to Gorbachev and Tsar Boris who succeeded him!
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 20 November 2018 07: 36
        -18
        Quote: Mister Creed
        Under him, too, Russia grew

        Under Stalin, AFTER the formation of the USSR in 1922, Russia of the RSFSR decreased at SEVEN France-4 million km2.
        1. Nitochkin
          Nitochkin 20 November 2018 08: 45
          +6
          Quote: Olgovich
          Quote: Mister Creed
          Under him, too, Russia grew

          Under Stalin, AFTER the formation of the USSR in 1922, Russia of the RSFSR decreased at SEVEN France-4 million km2.

          Change the record. From topic to topic - decreased, decreased. Blah blah blah.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 20 November 2018 09: 01
            -8
            Quote: Nitochkin
            Change the record. From topic to topic - decreased, decreased. Blah blah blah.

            TRUTH eyes piercing. yes
            Is it normal that after the formation of the USSR, Russia decreased to the territory of SEVEN France?
            answer clearly!
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 20 November 2018 10: 38
              -4
              Quote: Olgovich
              TRUTH eyes piercing.
              Is it normal that after the formation of the USSR, Russia decreased to the territory of SEVEN France?
              answer clearly!

              Minus, minus FACTS! yes "Destroy" them!lol
              Only from this, they will not become less unsightly ... request
            2. BAI
              BAI 20 November 2018 12: 07
              +3
              No state lives forever within once and for all established borders. At one rate or another, the boundaries change everywhere (both up and down). Somewhere for a year, somewhere for several centuries. Maybe this will be a revelation - many states have completely disappeared.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 20 November 2018 14: 00
                -6
                Quote: BAI

                No state lives forever within once and for all established borders. At one rate or another, the boundaries change everywhere (both up and down). Somewhere for a year, somewhere for several centuries.

                Bravo! Now tell me, WHAT else is the state, except for Russia, declined in just 37 years 5 million km2!
                How the "gatherers" of the Russian land did it since 1917 yes
                1. BAI
                  BAI 20 November 2018 15: 15
                  +5
                  What other state, besides Russia, has decreased in just 37 years by 5 million km2!

                  No need to scatter in absolute numbers. Russia is a big country. If someone has 5 million square kilometers of imagination, then for the USSR it was 22%. And in such percentages, many states lost even more.
                  For example:
                  1. Austria-Hungary. There was only 51 years old (and no one reproaches her, unlike the USSR), for 4 years it has lost everything - it ceased to exist in 1918.
                  2. Germany under the leadership of Hitler for 12 years lost 50% in 1945. Etc.
                  Naturally, nobody will lose 5 million sq km, because, figuratively speaking, no one has them.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 20 November 2018 18: 53
                    -2
                    Yes, Russia is a big country — if you think about some 5 million square kilometers of territory you’ve lost, you’ll pay for it — let’s lose further, really, what to worry about.
                  2. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 21 November 2018 09: 18
                    -4
                    Quote: BAI
                    And in such percentages, many states lost even more.
                    For example:
                    1. Austria-Hungary. There was only 51 years old (and no one reproaches her, unlike the USSR), for 4 years it has lost everything - it ceased to exist in 1918.

                    She disappeared, not lost. Do you know the differences?
                    Quote: BAI
                    2. Germany under the leadership of Hitler for 12 years lost 50% in 1945. Etc.

                    Nonsense.
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 20 November 2018 11: 46
          +1
          I don’t even want to comment.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 20 November 2018 12: 14
            -3
            Quote: NordUral
            I don’t even want to comment.

            can not, but do not want to.
            Tell me how much richer and happier became the Russian people from the fact that he was taken away 7 France after 1922 and the huge Russian New Russia, etc. - even until 1922
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 20 November 2018 20: 27
              -1
              Quote: Olgovich
              Tell us how much richer and happier the Russian people became from the fact that 7 France after 1922 and the huge Russian New Russia, etc., were taken away from him. Still until 1922

              Do you think that the Russian people have become less happy from the creation of the USSR? For example, I, the Russian, were in the North, the Far East, the South, and the West of the Soviet Union, and I didn’t feel miserable anywhere, I was well received everywhere.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 21 November 2018 09: 21
                -4
                Quote: Alexander Green
                Do you think that the Russian people have become less happy from the creation of the USSR?

                Do you understand the Russian language? Answer DIRECTLY:
                how richer and happier has become the Russian people from the fact that he 7 France was selected after 1922 and the huge Russian New Russia, etc. - still until 1922?
                1. Alexander Greene
                  Alexander Greene 21 November 2018 22: 22
                  0
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Do you understand the Russian language? Answer DIRECTLY:
                  how much richer and happier was the Russian people from the fact that 7 France after 1922 and the huge Russian New Russia, etc., were taken away from him even before 1922?

                  That you have ceased to understand the Russian language. I answered you that I was in all parts of the world of our great Motherland of the USSR and would be happy everywhere. Your 7 France is a feverish delirium of an inflamed brain. The country was one.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 22 November 2018 09: 16
                    -1
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    That you have ceased to understand the Russian language. I answered you that I was in all parts of the world of our great Motherland of the USSR and would be happy everywhere.

                    You again did not answer the question.
                    I will answer: Ukrainians, Kyrgyz, etc. - EVERYTHING became happy from the received Russian lands. It is a fact
                    and the Russians, giving their land and people, too?
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    Your 7 France is a feverish delirium of an inflamed brain. The country was one.

                    this is a fact - on the face: see the RSFSR MAP 22 g and 54 g, liar.
                    Today these borders are state borders and you cut them. lol "united" lol
                    the land of the country is
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    feverish delirium of the inflamed brain
                    1. Alexander Greene
                      Alexander Greene 22 November 2018 18: 40
                      +1
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      and the Russians, giving their land and people, too?

                      Well, why are you so dull? How much can you repeat? I am Russian, my comrades - all Russians, were happy anywhere in the Soviet Union, everywhere was our land, our Motherland! It’s you who hid for many years somewhere in the crevices and self-taught that you still can’t pour out your bile to the end.
    3. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 20 November 2018 06: 52
      +12
      Quote: Vasily50
      ...... Yelling about * repression * is nothing more than an excuse to just ruin the air and nothing more. Today liberals do not hesitate to voice their Wishlist. And it all comes down to the requirement to make a colony of the USA and Caucasians from RUSSIA, of course, under the control of liberals with democrats ......
      In his stupidity, it’s not possible to understand that the foreign masters, they, the shit-democrats living here, are not needed !!!!!
  3. jonht
    jonht 20 November 2018 06: 25
    +4
    I wrote here on the site that "every time has its own savior and its own executioner."
    Under Joseph Wissarionovich, there was both. But the question is that the same thing can’t be built anymore, how can one not enter the same water twice ....
    And whoever, as it were, wouldn’t overturn on this occasion, there will be no second USSR, something else similar and most likely on a different basis, maybe ....
    PS For fans with foam at the mouth to prove that they are only right, THIS IS MY OPINION, and your attitude towards him is not important to me. Another question is that on this subject you can reason and dream, I agree. History does not know the subjunctive mood, unfortunately or fortunately, is another matter.
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 20 November 2018 10: 34
      -1
      Quote: jonht
      there will be no second USSR

      For some reason, many do not understand this.
      Quote: jonht
      something else similar and most likely on a different basis, maybe ....

      Again expropriation?
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 20 November 2018 11: 48
        +6
        And in 91 and beyond, what happened, Puncher?
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 20 November 2018 14: 46
          +4
          Quote: NordUral
          And in 91 and beyond, what happened, Puncher?
          State property ceased to exist, was torn to pieces, stolen, divided between accomplices, sold abroad at cheap inappropriate prices and fed the United States, with clinton, the states immediately rose. Similar processes occurred in Eastern Europe, fueling the capitalist countries.
      2. jonht
        jonht 20 November 2018 12: 13
        -3
        The USSR is not, but something the same size, it may well. History repeats itself, Hyperborea - Russia - Russian Empire - RFSR - USSR - Russia and something more ... I am not talking about ideology, social is not necessary, it is socialist. There is such a document as Russian truth, why not on its basis ...
        The idea of ​​equality is utopian, by nature we are all different and there are no two people who are identical in all respects. And if you equate everyone, then it is someone who must do and control, and therefore have power over everyone. Which again leads to inequality.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 20 November 2018 15: 20
          +1
          There will never be equality, but social justice will triumph in the new socialism, where the strong will not devour the weak, but work for the good of the whole country.
        2. Mcar
          Mcar 20 November 2018 19: 52
          -7
          Quote: jonht
          The idea of ​​equality is utopian, by nature we are all different and there are no two people who are identical in all respects.

          Do not substitute a concept. None of the Marxists, Leninists, and Stalinists ever spoke of equality as the same "parameters".
          But the equality of opportunities for everyone and everyone is a worthy goal of a human society. In the USSR, especially in the Stalin period, it was so. And in capitalist countries, equality of opportunity is an unconfirmed declaration.
      3. Mcar
        Mcar 20 November 2018 19: 46
        -11
        Quote: Puncher
        Again expropriation?

        Nationalization. What do you mean "again"? Nationalization is a widespread practice throughout the world. Everyone is allowed, but why do you refuse this to the Russian people? Probably out of great love, not otherwise.
    2. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 20 November 2018 20: 42
      +2
      Quote: jonht
      how not to enter the same water twice ...

      This saying is very controversial. Example: The Great French Revolution: 1789. - the overthrow of the monarchy, a few years later the restoration of the monarchy, then the revolution of 1830, 1848, and only after the revolution of 1870 the bourgeois republic was finally established. How long has capitalism made its way? Why is socialism denied this? The first wave is not a wave yet, the storm will come - wait!
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 20 November 2018 21: 52
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Green
        Quote: jonht
        how not to enter the same water twice ...

        This saying is very controversial. Example: The Great French Revolution: 1789. - the overthrow of the monarchy, a few years later the restoration of the monarchy, then the revolution of 1830, 1848, and only after the revolution of 1870 the bourgeois republic was finally established .......!
        At the same time, the capitalist system was established all over the world very gradually, with difficulty. "The era of the initial accumulation of capital in Europe is considered the time from the mid 15th to the mid 18th centuries" (W), methods of struggle were developed, both with the peasantry and with the workers. In the 90s, capitalism in Russia was established instantly, which inspires hope that it will be destroyed as well.
  4. Mcar
    Mcar 20 November 2018 06: 49
    -5
    What a wonderful article! The author deserves the deepest respect!
  5. dik-nsk
    dik-nsk 20 November 2018 06: 56
    -8
    Stalin understood everything perfectly. And he said this to people in simple words
    which can’t be said about the author of the article, everything seems to be true in essence, but it’s impossible to read so much pathos and ranting .. I’ve not mastered ..
  6. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 20 November 2018 06: 59
    +10
    or they’ll crush us. ”
    The country managed to make this leap and resisted and won the most bloody war, and then restored everything that was destroyed by the war. And who will be able to mobilize the people and the country? Now nobody ...
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 20 November 2018 07: 12
      +13
      16 years after the Victory over the Nazis, overcoming destruction, damage ---- Flight of man into space! Not to mention other successes, both in the economy and on the world stage. Also demography.
      26 years after the destruction of the USSR and accession to capitalism ---- in various sectors, what has been achieved?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 20 November 2018 08: 23
        -3
        Quote: Reptiloid
        ... after 16 years ... ... after 26 years ...

        You are trying to compare different management priorities. This is not true.
        Sixth priority - military, the fastest, but also the most short-lived.
        Third priority - ideological, slower but also more durable.

        Until now, we have not defeated the ideology of capitalism. As the elections showed, most citizens vote for their exploiters, incl. it's too early to talk about recovery. The enemy has not yet been defeated.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 20 November 2018 08: 34
          -5
          Quote: Boris55
          Stalin tried to restore the pre-Christian structure of society. The people took it with enthusiasm. Hence, such enthusiasm and heroism - we built and defended our future and our children.

          False were created gods and the same false slogans, people were deceived and therefore everything so quickly ended in collapse.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 20 November 2018 08: 56
            +5
            Quote: bober1982
            people were deceived and therefore everything ended so quickly in collapse.

            1953 years have passed from 1993 to 40. From the point of view of the universe - this is a moment, but from the point of view of man - it is almost two generations. The betrayal of the elite, the deception you are talking about, began after the assassination of Stalin. It took them forty years to purposefully destroy the legacy of Stalin ...
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 20 November 2018 12: 23
              -4
              Quote: Boris55
              1953 years have passed from 1993 to 40. From the point of view of the universe - this is a moment, but from the point of view of man - it is almost two generations. The betrayal of the elite, the deception you are talking about, began after the assassination of Stalin. It took them forty years to purposefully destroy the legacy of Stalin ...

              When HAPPINESS was, in what years? When the people lived rich, satisfying, contented? Tell me, tell me! yes
              And then, then, we didn’t have time, then, prsli ... request
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 20 November 2018 12: 40
                +4
                Quote: Olgovich
                ... rich, satisfying, contented?

                Is this your ideal you are striving for? laughing


                Have you ever thought that if everyone becomes like you, then who will massage your shoulders? Well, if you are for inequality, then where does such concern for the people come from?
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 20 November 2018 14: 03
                  -5
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  ... rich, satisfying, contented?

                  Is this your ideal you are striving for? laughing


                  Have you ever thought that if everyone becomes like you, then who will massage your shoulders? Well, if you are for inequality, then where does such concern for the people come from?

                  There was no answer.
                  then you don’t know these years.
                  And then what to talk about?
                  1. Boris55
                    Boris55 20 November 2018 15: 27
                    +5
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    There was no answer. then you don’t know these years. And then what to talk about?

                    We have different ideas about well-being (not to be confused with wealth). You Я higher than WE, but without WE will not be Я.

                    You wanted to know when the well-being of the people grew? I answer - under Stalinwhen prices lowered. With lower prices, the purchasing power (welfare) of the people grows. Today, with rising prices, the purchasing power of the people is falling, but the well-being of the exploiters is growing.
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 21 November 2018 09: 24
                      -4
                      Quote: Boris55
                      We have different ideas about well-being (not to be confused with wealth). You have I higher than WE, but without WE, there will be no I.

                      Nonsense.
                      Quote: Boris55
                      You wanted to know when the well-being of the people grew? I answer - under Stalin, when prices were reduced. With lower prices, the purchasing power (welfare) of the people grows. Today, with rising prices, the purchasing power of the people is falling, but the well-being of the exploiters is growing.

                      by the end of Stalin, they barely caught up with Russia in food consumption in 1913, and the lag behind the West was wild. "Achievement", yes ....
              2. The Siberian barber
                The Siberian barber 20 November 2018 14: 51
                +6
                Quote: Olgovich
                Quote: Boris55
                1953 years have passed from 1993 to 40. From the point of view of the universe - this is a moment, but from the point of view of man - it is almost two generations. The betrayal of the elite, the deception you are talking about, began after the assassination of Stalin. It took them forty years to purposefully destroy the legacy of Stalin ...

                When HAPPINESS was, in what years? When the people lived rich, satisfying, contented? Tell me, tell me! yes
                And then, then, we didn’t have time, then, prsli ... request

                To begin with, it is necessary to determine what is, for you, happiness ???
                ... Someone: a stupid piece of cheese, someone, certainly "Parmesan", or the latest BMW model.
                I know for sure that the people may not have lived very richly, but no one was starving, and they rested and were treated and studied (the village could have grown to the minister) and most importantly: they were calm, tomorrow's day! That they, in old age, or their children, will not be on the street, and if anything, they will be helped in the hospital. And only criminals were afraid of the police. And this, absolutely the whole population ..
                Of course, there were some flaws, but the above, nevertheless, is more important. Not??
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 21 November 2018 09: 25
                  -4
                  Quote: The Siberian Barber
                  Of course, there were some flaws, but the above, nevertheless, is more important. Not??

                  And what was promised in October 17th? Forgot? It is the immediate increase in WEALTH of all, not
                  Quote: The Siberian Barber
                  maybe he didn’t live very richly, but nobody was starving,
                  1. The Siberian barber
                    The Siberian barber 21 November 2018 09: 40
                    +2
                    Now they promise even more, but practically, not one has been fulfilled!
                    And yes .. Notice how the "hated komunyaki" treated the elderly and children !!
                    And compare .. In my opinion, very revealing!
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 22 November 2018 09: 21
                      0
                      Quote: The Siberian Barber
                      And yes .. Notice how the "hated komunyaki" treated the elderly and children !!

                      after oktvorvot. as a result of deprivation of pensions on a class basis, they became extinct.
                      Kids is 40% deported dispossessed, i.e. a million children robbed and exiled to the north.
                      600 thousand dispossessed died. 80% of them are CHILDREN. count.
                      1. The Siberian barber
                        The Siberian barber 22 November 2018 09: 27
                        +1
                        About pensions, for peasants, under Tsar-Father, please enlighten!) For I, honestly, hear for the first time
                  2. The Siberian barber
                    The Siberian barber 21 November 2018 09: 46
                    +2
                    What is WEALTH? You never answered ..
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 22 November 2018 09: 22
                      -1
                      Quote: The Siberian Barber
                      What is WEALTH? You never answered ..

                      that. that all people have: material wealth and spiritual development.
                      1. The Siberian barber
                        The Siberian barber 22 November 2018 10: 41
                        +1
                        Well, yes ... With the "Sovka" it was not! laughing don't tell my sneakers! Or, probably, you did not live with him ?? Especially "like", in comparison with the present times, with his "WoT" and "Coll of duty" - this is "spiritual development")))
                        Or "dom2" ... ???)))
                        Children do not know who Mine Reed is, and they sacredly believe that this is a new body ..)
                  3. Alexander Greene
                    Alexander Greene 21 November 2018 22: 58
                    +1
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    And what was promised in October 17th? Forgot? It is the immediate increase in WEALTH of all

                    I wonder where you read it? Really in a training manual from Goebels?
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 22 November 2018 09: 24
                      -1
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      I wonder where you read it? Really in a training manual from Goebels?

                      notice. the promises of your idols are gobels, you called. lol
                      1. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene 22 November 2018 18: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        notice. the promises of your idols are gobels, you called.

                        You never know what you think up and ascribe to the Bolsheviks. You are such an inventor.
      2. kalibr
        kalibr 20 November 2018 08: 48
        -6
        Dmitry, what did you want to be an astronaut in your childhood? In almost every commentary about Gagarin and Cosmos ... It never occurred to you that a house with a pool is personally better for you than any space?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 20 November 2018 09: 00
          +8
          Quote: kalibr
          It never occurred to you that a house with a pool is personally better for you than any space?

          You didn’t think that your children would not swim in your pool?

          After we launched our first satellite into Earth orbit, the United States realized that they could no longer sit across the oceans. The legacy of Stalin and Beria still protects your pool from adversaries.
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 20 November 2018 10: 27
          +3
          Quote: kalibr
          ....... It never occurred to you that a house with a pool is personally better for you than any space?
          I will answer honestly ---- no better! At the cottage there is a minimum-minimum pool. But even if I increase it ----- for the sake of Space and Socialism, I would easily refuse it !!!!!!!
          But you, Vyacheslav Olegovich, wrote, a long time ago, about the horrors of life without a tile, and with such emotions that it turns out ----- if only you had your own tile, not Socialism. And what, did you plumber tremble, were afraid, What have they written about them repeatedly?
          And about Gagarin is not superfluous to repeat, since there was an article on the topic of silence.
          And for my part, I can add that my friends bought a very beautiful book about planets and space for their children. And then it turned out, a hundred is all about the states in Space. Now we are looking for everything --- just as beautiful, but what about our achievements.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 20 November 2018 16: 37
            -7
            Dmitry, I made a choice. And the plumbers of that time were unpleasant for me. I generally try to keep away from ... such people away. And yes - my tile is dearer to me than your socialism. But it is a matter of taste. We are too different, Dmitry, in every way. Watch the movie The Big Walk with De Funes. There he very well explains to the painter why so!
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 21 November 2018 22: 08
              +1
              Quote: kalibr
              Dmitry, I made a choice. And the plumbers of that time were unpleasant for me. I generally try to keep away from ... such people away. ..... Look ......... ok!
              It is incomprehensible that you are trying to keep the plumbers away .... is it really a toilet ....
              Found a little book - Lets. Ok he said tips that don't ask
        3. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 16: 57
          +4
          Quote: kalibr
          Dmitry, what did you want to be an astronaut in your childhood? In almost every commentary about Gagarin and Cosmos ... It never occurred to you that a house with a pool is personally better for you than any space?

          Vyacheslav Olegovich! And did it not occur to you that many things were created for the cosmos, or with its necessary presence? Satellite Internet, Satellite TV, Glonass, a whole bunch of products, starting with Orbita cheese that created for flying to Mars, instant coffee, doshirak noodles, all these freeze-dried soups, dishes with Teflon, water filters, cordless vacuum cleaners, fireproof fireproof fabric for firefighters , bifidobacteria products, diapers, after all. laughing Didn’t think about it? Yes, a whole bunch of different materials such as adhesives and paints. Almost all of this can be found in your house with a swimming pool.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 20 November 2018 20: 54
            -4
            Just do not fantasize! In the magazine of the Mystery of the twentieth century No.55 there will be my article how the noodles of doshirak appeared. And instant coffee ... without space, and diapers too ... So no need to say that space is our everything.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 21: 23
              +1
              Quote: kalibr
              and diapers too ..

              Well yes! Sheppard, the first American astronaut at the start, could not stand it, he sat in a spacesuit. Houston, we have a problem! wassat
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 21: 59
              +3
              Quote: kalibr
              In the magazine of the Mystery of the twentieth century No. 55 there will be my article how the noodles of doshirak appeared.

              Get well.
              “Momofuku Ando noodles became truly economical, which was appreciated by students, bachelors, workers who wanted to save time at lunch. And soon after that, dried vegetables began to be added to the noodles, which, boiled in boiling water, gave the impression of a complete soup. But the main, literally space breakthrough, this food innovator made in 2005. It was then that instant noodles in vacuum packaging appeared, created especially for astronauts. "

              http://miuki.info/2010/10/kto-izobrel-lapshu-bystrogo-prigotovleniya/
              It's about noodles in a vacuum package.
      3. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 20 November 2018 09: 37
        -2
        Quote: Reptiloid
        26 years after the destruction of the USSR and accession to capitalism ---- in various sectors, what has been achieved?

        The ungrateful topic is these comparisons. But if you want ... then for 26 years in Russia:
        - The number of abortions has decreased.
        - Alcohol consumption per capita decreased.
        - Infrastructure projects of the Crimean bridge and the bridge to the Russky Island in the Far East have been implemented (which the USSR did not manage to master).
        - The concept of an air-ground operation was mastered, as a result of which the Russian Federation suffers orders of magnitude smaller losses in Syria than the USSR in Afghanistan.
        - The number of cars per capita has increased dramatically.
        This list can be continued for a long time.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 20 November 2018 10: 36
          +2
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          ...... This list is for a long time to come.
          Of course you can. If we talk about a decrease, then a lot of things have decreased. So much ---- that is not to praise.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 20 November 2018 19: 01
            -1
            Electricity generation surpassed the Soviet Union’s indicators, the number of roads: double asphalt, agricultural production is growing rapidly, per capita GDP is growing, construction of infrastructure throughout the country continues, and finally in Russia they made their MRI.
          2. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 21 November 2018 08: 05
            +4
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            ...... This list is for a long time to come.
            Of course you can. If we talk about a decrease, then a lot of things have decreased. So much ---- that is not to praise.

            As if the consumption of alcohol decreased --- as much as 40%! But with what years is this comparison ??? Over the years, Yeltsin’s repressions! And under the USSR, alcohol consumption began to grow steadily since 1985, and by 2000 it was 18 liters per capita, excluding artisanal production! At the beginning
            1950s (during the life of Stalin) was 1,7 --- 1,8l / person. In the early 1960s, an increase of up to 3 l / person.
            The phrase about reducing abortion is ambiguous ..... As the number of people in Russia is falling. Perhaps this decrease is simply the result of the fact that young people have become smaller? Or ---- the health of young people is not particularly? .... Proud of this decline --- if the population grew.
            The main achievement of growth, an increase ---- this, of course, is an increase in the retirement age ..... It's not so simple, Teterin, with your indicators, and you yourself understand that.
        2. Mcar
          Mcar 20 November 2018 20: 08
          -7
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          The ungrateful topic is these comparisons. But if you want ... then for 26 years in Russia:
          - The number of abortions has decreased.

          But the number of pregnant women has decreased.

          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          - Alcohol consumption per capita decreased.

          But drug use has increased.

          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          - Infrastructure projects of the Crimean bridge and the bridge to the Russky Island in the Far East have been implemented (which the USSR did not manage to master).

          But thousands of schools and hospitals closed.

          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          - The concept of an air-ground operation was mastered, as a result of which the Russian Federation suffers orders of magnitude smaller losses in Syria than the USSR in Afghanistan.

          Now, when through Syria, as through 620 thousand troops will pass through Afghanistan, then it’s time to count the chickens.

          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          - The number of cars per capita has increased dramatically.

          But the domestic auto industry was almost destroyed.

          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          This list can be continued for a long time.
      4. NordUral
        NordUral 20 November 2018 11: 53
        +3
        Achieved, Dmitry, and much has been achieved, to the great pain of the people! A huge country is destroyed and robbed, its peoples are quarreled, the people's will to stand up for their rights is lost. And much more that our children will have to either rebuild (taking into account the experience of the past years), or disappear with Russia. It’s not worth it to deceive yourself;
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 22 November 2018 00: 45
          +2
          There is an article on the Internet by Academician Gundarov "Liberal repressions in Russia." His speech on pension reform is also on the net.
          Although, literally the speeches of this year by some deputies and officials somehow evoke serfdom in memory.
  7. apro
    apro 20 November 2018 07: 35
    +4
    Repressions coexist in any state. The state is an instrument of suppression if something. And their different volumes we recall the bourgeois revolutions there as a percentage of opponents of the regime did not indulge. And they threw a loop.
    Condemn repression. Condemn the state.
    1. Nick_R
      Nick_R 20 November 2018 09: 43
      -1
      Condemn repression. Condemn the state.

      But is it impossible to condemn the state? It is possible and even necessary. For the state is just a bureaucracy that governs us on someone’s behalf (supposedly from God, then supposedly from ours). I ask you not to confuse the state with the people and the homeland.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 20 November 2018 12: 25
      -5
      Quote: apro
      Repressions coexist in any state. The state is an instrument of suppression if something. And their different volumes we recall the bourgeois revolutions there as a percentage of opponents of the regime did not indulge. And they threw a loop.
      Condemn repression. Condemn the state.

      Empty words...
      WHERE else was SUCH? Nowhere!
  8. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 20 November 2018 07: 59
    -4
    Communist Party agitation.
    1. Nick_R
      Nick_R 20 November 2018 09: 45
      -1
      Yeah, even the rhetoric is so .... mildly street
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 20 November 2018 09: 46
        -3
        And very populist.
    2. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 20 November 2018 10: 36
      +3
      Quote: Krasnodar
      Communist Party agitation.

      Stalin would have seen the current commies ...
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 20 November 2018 10: 48
        0
        In suits from Isaiah and Brioni laughing I agree ))
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 20 November 2018 12: 52
          +2
          Krasnodar! Do you have this knowledge of the products of fashion houses from class envy or do you dress yourself in them? I’m not distinguishing anything from the above or others, where whose and how much.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 20 November 2018 15: 21
            -1
            From class envy, of course laughing I like the Castro brothers - they are children of wealthy parents who wanted happiness and prosperity for all representatives of their people. It did not work out, but they tried, and for the best of reasons. I hate North Korean Kimov - a well-educated plump leader of thin subjects who has received a Swiss education. Therefore, I do not like the Russian Communists, wearing costumes worth the annual income of the electorate)). If only they wore a military jacket ala Fidel.
    3. BAI
      BAI 20 November 2018 13: 32
      +3
      Communist Party agitation.

      And where in the Communist Party propaganda did you see "Soviet Empire"?
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 20 November 2018 16: 37
        -2
        In them I saw dissatisfaction with the present and praise for the socialist past. What is more than enough in this article. Moreover, the period of the “tough hand” desired by the Communist Party electorate is extolled.
  9. bober1982
    bober1982 20 November 2018 08: 04
    -12
    There is no secret of repressions and there was no, the author of the article is certainly intriguing.
    The Stalinist regime rested on terror and lies, the system itself devoured itself when the executioners became victims.
    After Stalin's death, agony began, which lasted several decades.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 November 2018 19: 06
      -2
      And what do you want to expect from a convict, together with his companion - a friend from the "Sealed Carriage" from Europe.
  10. wooja
    wooja 20 November 2018 08: 26
    +3
    Another appeal, unfortunately the way of life and the history of those difficult years, is hopelessly smeared and perverted. But if you are already putting pressure on emotions, why not compare the 90s with the 30s ...., shooting, explosions, fraud, arrests, killings ..., failures in domestic and foreign policy, the emergence of new and the departure of old political clans , redistribution of power and paralysis of this very power. In the 30s, by force, it was possible to avoid power paralysis and somehow sort out the mess in the country ... but not for long, the tool turned out to be too powerful ... and people are weak .... Stalin somehow laid the foundations for the rule of the Soviet elite for about 50-60 years, and a good social policy that was successfully used and developed further in the liberal world ... Stalin is a political Moor .... he did his job and he was gone. Those who stood behind him and hid behind his name --- this is real power, these are the organizers and conductors of repressions ... they are alive and all in white ...
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 20 November 2018 12: 28
      -3
      Quote: wooja
      One way or another, Stalin laid the foundations for the rule of the Soviet elite for about 50-60 years, and a quality social policy, which was successfully used and developed further in the liberal world ..

      In more detail about the use of Stalinist social achievements in the liberal world, is it possible? hi
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 20 November 2018 12: 53
        +2
        Read the Japanese, my friend. They all talk about it sensibly.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 20 November 2018 14: 05
          -6
          Quote: NordUral
          Read the Japanese, my friend. They all talk about it sensibly.

          You are in a nutshell. yourself, can’t you?
          For example, like this: "Japanese social achievements - merit of Stalin" yes
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 20 November 2018 16: 24
            +3
            In a nutshell I won’t. Just give a quote and a link to the source.
            “In 1939, you Russians were smart, and we Japanese were fools. In 1949 you became even smarter, and we were fools so far. And in 1955, we got smarter, and you turned into five-year-olds. Our entire economic system is almost completely copied from yours, with the only difference being that we have capitalism, private producers, and we have never achieved more than 15% of growth, but you - with public ownership of the means of production - have reached 30% or more. All of our firms have your slogans of the Stalin era. ”
            Japanese billionaire Herosi Terawama, autumn 1991

            http://www.pravda-tv.ru/2013/08/02/25617/yaponskij-milliarder-o-gosplane-sssr
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 20 November 2018 16: 34
              +1
              Here is another link: http://white-bear.homegate.ru/post/25368
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 21 November 2018 09: 27
              -3
              Quote: NordUral
              Japanese billionaire Herosi Terawama,

              There is NO such .... "millerdera". These funny witnesses of the past ... lol
      2. wooja
        wooja 20 November 2018 18: 02
        +2
        paid vacations, free medicine, social housing, household planning, free education, kindergartens, pensions ... all these achievements of "damned Stalinism" have been creatively reworked and used by the liberal world.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 21 November 2018 09: 28
          -3
          Quote: wooja
          paid vacations, free medicine, social housing, economic planning, free education, kindergartens, pensions ... all these achievements of "damned Stalinism" have been creatively reworked and used by the liberal world

          Without him, this was not, yes. lol
  11. kalibr
    kalibr 20 November 2018 08: 46
    -4
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    We, the proletarians, have become worse off. A lot.

    Start over!
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 20 November 2018 09: 31
      +4
      Quote: kalibr
      Start over!

      And let's start ...
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 20 November 2018 09: 37
        -6
        And once again, throw Russia a hundred years ago.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 20 November 2018 11: 56
          0
          How many of you have escaped here, Lieutenant Teterin .
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 20 November 2018 12: 11
            -5
            It’s unpleasant to see the people and their expression, right?
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 20 November 2018 12: 54
              +4
              Naturally, people are Teterins, and the rest are stupid scoops.
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 20 November 2018 13: 29
                -5
                You said that, not me. However, it is gratifying to see that you are aware of your minority.
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral 20 November 2018 15: 13
                  +2
                  You are very mistaken, Teterin. Just so many have not woken up completely.
                  1. Lieutenant Teterin
                    Lieutenant Teterin 20 November 2018 15: 19
                    -5
                    Quote: NordUral
                    Just so many have not woken up completely.

                    I agree. When they wake up - the word "communist" will become a curse in the lips of people.
                    1. NordUral
                      NordUral 20 November 2018 15: 21
                      0
                      When the people wake up, yours will be blown away from power in Russia.
                      1. Lieutenant Teterin
                        Lieutenant Teterin 20 November 2018 15: 23
                        -4
                        The people have already shown their attitude towards the Communists in 1991, when he watched the descent of the red flag over the Kremlin with startling indifference.
                      2. NordUral
                        NordUral 20 November 2018 16: 40
                        +2
                        Teterin, then we were told about renewed socialism. And the one who was in the 80's got sick of the people with his newly appeared boyars in power. I have seen enough of these for two years of my deputy, just before perestroika. And I can say that I was wrong in 91 and 93. Very well, our brains were washed.
                      3. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 20 November 2018 19: 13
                        -5
                        But ours are not there, but as ours come, yours — the mutants from the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and them — EDR — will be torn down by a hurricane, without noise and dust will not even rise.
                      4. NordUral
                        NordUral 20 November 2018 22: 38
                        +1
                        And these yours - who is this, 237?
                      5. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 21 November 2018 00: 25
                        -4
                        People with cold calculations, not subject to impulsive actions and screams, in the conduct of politics and economics.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 18: 36
      +1
      Quote: kalibr
      Start over!

      If you, a teacher of history of the CPSU, began to teach advertising, public relations, and to teach how to withdraw money in offshore, then I can’t do such things. I will not explain the reasons.
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  12. turbris
    turbris 20 November 2018 09: 02
    -4
    And again, about the decaying West, which exploits its people so mercilessly that many rush there to live and work in better conditions than in their own countries. It would seem, why are these disputes about capitalism and socialism? Just name the country of victorious socialism, where the level of well-being of the people is higher than in the main capitalist countries? There is no such country, and never has been, no fairy tales about the USSR, unlike you, we lived at that time. And who of the proletarians lives worse now is probably not working for a long time. And then the author of repression will begin to justify, a confident handwriting is felt.
    1. Mcar
      Mcar 20 November 2018 09: 54
      -4
      Quote: turbris
      Just name the country of victorious socialism, where the level of well-being of the people is higher than in the main capitalist countries? There is no such country and never has been, no fairy tales about the USSR

      I call: USSR.

      In the September 1953 issue of National Business magazine, Herbert Harris' article "The Russians Are Catching Up" noted that the USSR was ahead of any country in terms of growth in economic power, and that the current growth rate in the USSR was 2 -3 times higher than the USA.

      A year earlier, US presidential candidate Stevenson evaluated the situation in such a way that if the growth rate of production in Stalinist Russia continues, then by 1970 the volume of Russian production would be 3-4 times higher than the American one.
      1. turbris
        turbris 20 November 2018 10: 02
        -1
        Well, in the end, where is the USSR?
        1. Mcar
          Mcar 20 November 2018 10: 13
          -5
          Quote: turbris
          Well, in the end, where is the USSR?

          And why are the Trotskyists gloating? Boasting that they live without roots? Found something to be proud of.
          And then - not yet evening. A lost battle does not mean a lost war. True, Russia no longer seems to be at the forefront of the world movement towards communism. But nothing - being one of them is also honorable.
          1. turbris
            turbris 20 November 2018 10: 33
            -2
            Well, they already remembered the Trotskyists, where does the lost battle here? Could we win it? Maybe if they did not begin to build socialism throughout the world. At first it was necessary to build it in a separate state, and what would be the victory? That the level of well-being of Soviet people would be an order of magnitude higher than in Western countries, was this possible? I doubt it!
            1. Mcar
              Mcar 20 November 2018 10: 40
              -2
              Quote: turbris
              Could we win it?

              Of course! We won. Until Khrushchev put his Trotskyist nose into the Stalinist economy and destroyed it.

              Quote: turbris
              That the level of well-being of Soviet people would be an order of magnitude higher than in Western countries, was this possible? I doubt it!

              Stop doubting. The level of well-being of Soviet people from the late 50s to almost the end of the 60s was higher than in Western countries. And this despite the fact that we have just started the production of group B goods.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 20 November 2018 12: 43
                -6
                Quote: McAr
                The level of well-being of Soviet people from the late 50s to almost the end of the 60s was higher than in Western countries.

                belay fool lol
                know how to make laugh ....
                You at least compare the grub and clothes .......
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral 20 November 2018 12: 56
                  +1
                  The grub is now Olgovich. I agree with the clothes. Although here everything is far from unambiguous.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 20 November 2018 14: 09
                    -4
                    Quote: NordUral
                    The grub is now

                    and then people loved IS, oddly enough. and to the West in this respect then, as to Moscow ....: report of the Central Council of the USSR 1955.
            2. NordUral
              NordUral 20 November 2018 12: 36
              +3
              At first it was necessary to build it in a separate state, and what would be the victory? That the level of well-being of Soviet people would be an order of magnitude higher than in Western countries, was this possible? I doubt it!

              I agree with what we had to build. But about an order of magnitude or even so that simply higher - they could not. But not because socialism could not do this, but because that level of prosperity of the West was achieved thanks to the merciless robbery of the whole world. And because the standard of living in the second half of the 20 century was so precisely because of the existence of the USSR. And today this level is falling, the Moor has done his job.
        2. BAI
          BAI 20 November 2018 12: 53
          +3
          What do you mean "where?"
          How many times have monarchies and bourgeois republics been overthrown and established. Moreover, there was no change in the form of ownership - everything remained in place. THE EXPERIENCE OF BUILDING A SOCIALIST STATE IN THE WORLD WAS NOT! And who said that in such an unimaginably difficult matter everything should work out the first time? Yes, even with active external opposition.
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 20 November 2018 10: 03
        -5
        The growth rate of economic power does not reflect the standard of living of workers.
        1. Mcar
          Mcar 20 November 2018 10: 06
          -5
          Quote: Krasnodar
          The growth rate of economic power does not reflect the standard of living of workers.

          And nevertheless, with a regular increase in wages, over several years, prices fell by 2 times.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 20 November 2018 10: 13
            -4
            This is clear. The question is the quality of housing, the availability of household appliances on sale, its affordability in terms of price / salary ratio, etc. If the planned economy had done everything wisely and would have forbidden this stupid ban on going on tourist trips to the West - I think so - the States would have overtaken. And not only the States.
            1. Mcar
              Mcar 20 November 2018 10: 27
              -3
              Quote: Krasnodar
              and would prohibit this stupid ban on trips to the West

              Oh, what a disaster! You might think that the Russians really want to look at this West.

              Is there no ban now? No. And "for some reason" 70% of the citizens of the Russian Federation have hammered to look at the West and even do not issue passports. Domestic tourism is being developed!
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 20 November 2018 11: 01
                -3
                Now this is due to the depreciation of the ruble and the income of the population. And West, East, etc. why not look? )))
                But under the Union there was a complete lie about the plight of the working capital countries. This is when the diapers were boiling here, and there were diapers, etc. And the workers bought cars on credit without any queues, and often without it, while in the USSR they stood in line for five years for a car of a fig-plan of 10 or more.
                So they only allowed party countries into the cap.countries, families left them in the Union. That is, say, to rest in Austria, it was unrealistic with your family to be a party member 100 times. Like this. On their return, party members told their loved ones about “supermarkets with 100 types of sausages,” about the life of workers “under the yoke of capital,” etc., that is, people no longer trust the leadership, because STARTED TO FIND OUT THE TRUTH.
                1. Mcar
                  Mcar 20 November 2018 11: 26
                  -1
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  Now this is due to the depreciation of the ruble and the income of the population.

                  Now is this the last quarter of a century? Look for years by year how many Russians have a passport.

                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  This is when the diapers were boiling here, and there were diapers, etc.

                  What are our goals: baby's health or convenience for parents?
                  Take an interest in how Australian farmers sterilize sheep.

                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  And the workers bought cars on credit without any queues, and often without it, while in the USSR they stood in line for five years for a car of a fig-plan of 10 or more.

                  A machine for every priest is an unbearable load for the planet. Take an interest in how many years is enough oil.
                  The Union has developed a network of public transport. And about apartments to someone else fill. This in the rubber capitals may have been from 10 years. And free, unlike kapstran. In the outback, in small cities, the waiting period was much shorter. In construction organizations, workers were provided with housing, usually for 2-3 years. Horror! Now it’s beauty: in mortgage slavery up to 20 years and a multiple overpayment. Fabulous achievements!
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 20 November 2018 11: 33
                    -6
                    1) With the health of the baby, there was also a lag behind cap.countries
                    2) Not everyone worked as builders, I remember the crowded buses at rush hour, and the mortgage gives you the opportunity to afford housing.
                    3) For the past 25 years, quite ordinary people have been resting in Turkey, Egypt and visiting friends in Germany and Canada)) Since 2014 it has become difficult, but it is not offensive.
                    1. Andrey VOV
                      Andrey VOV 20 November 2018 16: 40
                      +5
                      What kind of housing can you afford a mortgage? And how many citizens as a percentage of the entire population? What kind of mortgage can a citizen have when the average salary is 30 thousand rubles? They ridiculed an apartment can afford ... of course. If Gazprom’s pocket, for example
                    2. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 18: 45
                      +4
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      and a mortgage gives you the opportunity to afford housing.

                      Krasnodar, we have 22,7 million have an income below the minimum wage. Well, teach them how to take a mortgage. And it turns out from the series that you can live on pasta for 3,5 thousand.
                  2. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 20 November 2018 12: 45
                    -4
                    Quote: McAr
                    And about apartments to someone else fill. This in the rubber capitals may have been from 10 years. And free, unlike kapstran.

                    This is not YOUR apartment, but the STATE.

                    Privatized7 wink you can. By the way, DELIVER it into municipal property so that everything is as under socialism lol
                    1. Mcar
                      Mcar 20 November 2018 20: 19
                      -5
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      This is not YOUR apartment, but the STATE.

                      So it’s good. Eternal use is better than property. Yes, you can’t sell, but no one can take it away. So it should be with the earth.
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                2. NordUral
                  NordUral 20 November 2018 13: 00
                  +1
                  This is when the diapers were boiling here, and there were diapers, etc.

                  Pampers are an excellent sterilization tool. People too mngo became on Earth according to the Anglo-Saxon elite.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 20 November 2018 16: 18
                    -3
                    Yeah, in Israel, the generation that grew up in diapers has an average of three children per family))
                3. Sugar Honeyovich
                  Sugar Honeyovich 20 November 2018 16: 45
                  +3
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  people ceased to trust the leadership, because STARTED TO FIND OUT THE TRUTH

                  And when in 1991 the leadership changed, people began to believe that the FOREIGN leadership was telling the TRUTH ...)))
                4. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 17: 20
                  +3
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  And the workers bought cars on credit without any queues, and often without it, while in the USSR they stood in line for five years for a car of a fig-plan of 10 or more.

                  Do not know, do not whistle. My colleague got a kopeck piece at 19 years old.
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  And the workers bought without any queues cars on credit, and often without it,

                  Yeah, I somehow read the interiorview with the workers, either Renault or Peugeot, I really forgot. So, they were selling cars at a discount. These same workers went to work four together in one car. One week, one of all three drove, the other week - the other, the third - the third. Because of gasoline. Dear he was there. And in the USSR they relied on public transport. Five cents ticket.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 21 November 2018 02: 03
                    -2
                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    And the workers bought cars on credit without any queues, and often without it, while in the USSR they stood in line for five years for a car of a fig-plan of 10 or more.

                    Do not know, do not whistle. My colleague got a kopeck piece at 19 years old.
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    And the workers bought without any queues cars on credit, and often without it,

                    Yeah, I somehow read the interiorview with the workers, either Renault or Peugeot, I really forgot. So, they were selling cars at a discount. These same workers went to work four together in one car. One week, one of all three drove, the other week - the other, the third - the third. Because of gasoline. Dear he was there. And in the USSR they relied on public transport. Five cents ticket.

                    I don’t argue with you about your colleague, but there were only a few such cases, most likely the apartment was not in the city of a millionaire, and not in the capital of the republic, etc. And dear gasoline was probably like that in 74, not? Arab oil embargo.
              2. kalibr
                kalibr 20 November 2018 16: 46
                -5
                It only says that the Pareto law works: in a society 80% stupid and 20% smart. So we have progress - 30% smart !!!
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 20 November 2018 12: 40
          +4
          How old are you, Krasnodar? For my life in the Union, I quite clearly saw a change in the standard of living for the better. And still I can’t understand our naivety (mine) in the second half of 80's. No signs of economic collapse were observed, there was even weak growth. One about which effective managers now say that it is impossible for Russia.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 20 November 2018 16: 34
            0
            I am born in 1976
            Since 1986, approximately, EMNIP, the standard of living has been falling. That is, the commissioners were clogged with new commotion, household appliances, incl. Soviet-made, it became more, in coop stores there was enough of everything, my family had more attendants thanks to work in cooperatives, but the bulk of the workers did not care for free access to:
            JVC HVS
            Player Sharp / Sony
            Double Cassette International
            Co-operative stores with prices that are unbearable for hard workers.
            I was in the 91st child, but I remember:
            Shelves empty
            Cigarette shortages (three-liter cans with cigarette butts)
            Gasoline per ruble per liter
            With the salary of a foundry engineer 180 rubles in June 1991
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 19: 20
              +1
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Cigarette Deficiency (

              Yeltsin closed 26 of the 28 tobacco factories in one day. For repairs. The men are really embittered.
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Gasoline per ruble per liter
              With the salary of a foundry engineer 180 rubles in June 1991

              Prices began to rise in March of the 91st, if sclerosis does not change.
              1. Mcar
                Mcar 20 November 2018 20: 31
                0
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                Prices began to rise in March of the 91st, if sclerosis does not change.

                But isn't it in 1987?
                I remember Ryzhkov speaking on TV and saying from what date, on which goods and how much prices will be raised. The people reacted - the shelves were empty. And it started ...
                It seems that it was in 1987.
                In 1991 there was galloping inflation. Almost 100% per month. Someone else remembers bus tickets for 15 thousand rubles ...
            2. Rakti-kali
              Rakti-kali 20 November 2018 20: 11
              +1
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Since 1986, approximately, EMNIP, the standard of living has been falling.

              Thank you for this you can say to Gorbachev and his law "On Cooperatives ...", which introduced, so to speak, elements of capitalism into the Soviet economy, so to speak, market relations have been exacerbated.
            3. Mcar
              Mcar 20 November 2018 20: 26
              -7
              Quote: Krasnodar
              I was in the 91st child, but I remember:

              You remember what started to happen with the advent of capitalism. But for some reason you are addressing this to socialism. This is called - from a sore head to a healthy one.
      3. Olgovich
        Olgovich 20 November 2018 12: 40
        -4
        Quote: McAr
        In the September 1953 issue of the National Business magazine

        this year only caught up by the level of consumption of food and clothing Russia 1913
        Or do people eat cast iron?

        again, you didn’t have enough time .... and the people didn’t live up to your hopes, the Trotskyites succumbed ......
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 20 November 2018 12: 01
      +4
      And I lived at that time, turbris. Everything was, but in general it was a fair society.
      Until the Khrushchev rapidly developing, but it began to rot.
      And I can compare the Soviet and the Russian Federation. With all the shortcomings of that time, it was a society of social justice. And now - a wretched country with deceitful thieves.
  13. Alecsandr
    Alecsandr 20 November 2018 09: 57
    +6
    Yes. Something, but you can’t refuse Stalin's clarity of mind.
  14. Ural resident
    Ural resident 20 November 2018 10: 18
    0
    Perhaps this is a hot topic that gives dividends? Samsonov regularly raises the topic of Stalin in order to cause confrontation on the forum. The one-sided exaltation of Stalin and the conclusions that he — our everything — will uniquely provoke the protest of those who do not think so. Stalin was a controversial person, and time was then difficult. You can argue and swear endlessly, but that was our story. Now we need to talk about the reconciliation of the parties and the white and red and everyone else, and not look for conflict points. It is clear that the period from 1914 to 1945 was disastrous for Russia. And the appearance of Stalin at that time was obvious and inevitable, with all its pluses and minuses. Now we need to think about how to ensure that this does not happen again in Russia and it is time to start taking care of the lives and health of the Russian population. We can no longer be scattered by millions of people because few of us remain.
    1. Mcar
      Mcar 20 November 2018 10: 35
      -1
      Quote: Resident of the Urals
      Now we need to talk about the reconciliation of the parties and the white and red and everyone else, and not look for conflict points.

      Those. o the reconciliation of the bourgeoisie and the proletariat, the exploiters and the exploited, wolves and sheep. So?

      Quote: Resident of the Urals
      Now we need to think about how to ensure that this does not happen again in Russia and it is time to start taking care of the lives and health of the Russian population.

      Yeah. Russian wolves will take care of the health of Russian sheep.

      Quote: Resident of the Urals
      We can no longer be scattered by millions of people because few of us remain.

      There is no capital of nationality. If anything, the Russian capitalists will sell the Russian people at the price of horse meat without hesitation. Nothing personal just business.
      1. Ural resident
        Ural resident 20 November 2018 10: 44
        +3
        Whites were not all bourgeois and Reds were not all proletariat. After the arrival of the Reds, a new elite and a new proletariat appeared. This confrontation is endless, but even if you fight, how? Build barricades and start shooting, again plunging the masses of the people into mutual destruction? Nothing will change, the stratification of society will always be, it is in the blood of a person. Everyone probably remembers from his own experience people who seemed to be normal sincere colleagues until they went up. Then people change in a strange way.
        About the capitalists, alas, I agree, they will sell everything they can ... They have nothing in their head except ringing coins.
        1. Mcar
          Mcar 20 November 2018 11: 08
          -2
          Quote: Resident of the Urals
          The whites were not all bourgeois and the reds were not all proletariat.

          No exaggeration - a very good question!

          Indeed, not all whites and not all reds were, respectively, bourgeois and proletarians. This is true. But, if we take not recruits, but convinced ones, then the whites were infected with bourgeois ideology, and the red ones were infected with the proletarian. After all, the civil war was, in fact, a war of ideologies.

          Take for example the Germans. What did they fall upon us in 1941? Well, bosses understand. What about the soldiers? After all, they were very often the same proletarians. The answer is simple: their consciousness was infected by bourgeois ideology. A whole nation was brainwashed about being elected, and the soldiers were promised that after the war everyone would have dozens of slaves on their estate.

          Here, on this site, not everyone who advocates capitalism has a candle factory. Many of them will never become capitalists. But they love the very idea of ​​inequality. There is a category of people for whom life without "color differentiation of pants" is almost like torture.

          Quote: Resident of the Urals
          Nothing will change, the stratification of society will always be, it’s in the blood of a person.

          These are just your erroneous beliefs. There is nothing like "in human blood". Everything that "in his blood" appears is the result of education and the influence of the environment in which he grows up. Rare exceptions do not count - there have been geeks at all times.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 20 November 2018 11: 16
            0
            From the age of 33, the Germans were infected not by the bourgeois, but by the National Socialist ideology, where the class struggle was replaced by a racial one.
            1. Mcar
              Mcar 20 November 2018 11: 34
              -2
              Quote: Krasnodar
              From the age of 33, the Germans were infected not by the bourgeois, but by the National Socialist ideology, where the class struggle was replaced by a racial one.

              Uh-huh. And after the war, after the liberation of Russia from the "komunyak", were you going to go to Fatherland with songs? Or stay and plow on a par with the Untermensch?

              Quote: Krasnodar
              class struggle was replaced by racial.

              It doesn’t matter how and to whom the brains are washed - you have to look at the essence.
              But the point is that the proletarian in a helmet and with a schmeiser cherished the dream of becoming a bourgeois.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 20 November 2018 11: 38
                +2
                Once again - they were going to become not bourgeois, but latifundists)) With the slaves untermans.
                1. Mcar
                  Mcar 20 November 2018 11: 39
                  -7
                  Quote: Krasnodar

                  Once again - they were going to become not bourgeois, but latifundists)) With the slaves untermans.

                  Is it specifically troll? And why do you need this? Are the arguments over?
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 20 November 2018 11: 44
                    +1
                    This is not trolling. Why do you think so? The bourgeoisie is an urban class of officials, businessmen, lawyers, doctors and other people who do not directly produce material values.
                    The Nazis sought to make their subjects slaveholders. By race. Well, here you just do not agree, we see the essence in different ways. Not important, in short.
                    1. Mcar
                      Mcar 20 November 2018 12: 02
                      -3
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      This is not trolling. Why do you think so?

                      Because you insist that the hippopotamus is called a hippo.
                      From the new name, the essence does not change. Even if you call them latifundists, at least landowners, at least landlords, at least landowners, at least not a single word, the essence remains the same. That is the essence of concepts and it is necessary to operate, and not the rattle of terms.

                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      The bourgeoisie is an urban class of officials, businessmen, lawyers, doctors and other people who do not directly produce material values.

                      Then from the stove.

                      The proletariat is a social class for which self-employment (selling their own labor) is the only source of livelihood. The proletariat is completely devoid of capital and what can be used as capital.

                      If you look more broadly (in a hundred years a lot of new professions have appeared), then the proletariat is anyone who lives on a salary and has no other sources of livelihood, who sells his time, strength, skills, knowledge, etc. From this concept, I would exclude those who defend or express the interests of the bourgeoisie for wages, i.e. government officials.

                      The bourgeoisie is a social class that owns property (in the form of money, means of production, land, patents or other property) and exists at the expense of income from this property.

                      Those. ownership of land and means of production is the main divide between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat.

                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      The Nazis sought to make their subjects slaveholders. By race.

                      No matter what principle. On the planet Pluck, this principle was the color of the pants.
          2. jonht
            jonht 20 November 2018 12: 39
            -3
            Who infected you with what? You have been given an argument, and you have come up against idiom ... In that massacre, many chose the side not for idiological reasons, but because of survival. If we consider history without partiality, then many parties have changed many times. And the riots of the peasants during the collictivization, and their massive resettlement to Siberia .... I’m here as a resident of the Far East is interested, now take all those who disagree with the state. Politically forcibly from the central regions to the Far East and Siberia to evict without the right to return. Immediately to solve a lot of problems with work and a small number of residents. But I’m afraid you will raise the first howl about the violation of your rights. Therefore, it’s good to talk conversations, but how does the state turn on the re-press apparatus, all groan and cry at once. Therefore, we don’t need past RAPES, we need to think and build a new one, not necessarily capitalism and communism. There is much more that we have not tried, for example Confucianism. (JOKE).
            1. Mcar
              Mcar 20 November 2018 12: 55
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              Quote: jonht
              You have been given an argument, and you have come up against idiom ... In that massacre, many chose the side not for idiological reasons, but because of survival. If we consider history without partiality, then many parties have changed many times.

              This does not negate the main thing - the civil war was a war of ideologies.

              The Reds wanted to build a society of justice, where there are no exploiters and exploited. White wanted the former order.

              And the fact that the side was changed for the sake of survival is not surprising. If you want to live, you’re not getting so bored. (C)

              Quote: jonht
              It’s interesting to me, as a resident of the Far East, to take now all those who disagree with the state. Politically forcibly from the central regions to the Far East and Siberia to evict without the right to return.

              What is the purpose of this? Well, goal-setting is the main thing for which everything is done. So what is the purpose of "resettling all those who disagree with the state policy"?

              Whom do you mean - the kulaks or the Chichen-Ingush. Specify and I will explain for what purpose this was done.

              Quote: jonht
              But I’m afraid you will raise the first howl about the violation of your rights.

              If this is for the benefit of the poorest, I will not raise a howl. Just explain what benefit the poor people of the Russian Federation will have from my relocation.

              Quote: jonht
              Therefore, we don’t need past RAPES, we need to think and build a new one, not necessarily capitalism and communism.

              Uh-huh. How do you imagine "not necessarily capitalism and communism"?
              Try on paper to outline at least a broad outline of this new social structure.
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 20 November 2018 17: 35
              +1
              Quote: jonht
              It’s interesting to me, as a resident of the Far East, to take now all those who disagree with the state. Politically forcibly from the central regions to the Far East and Siberia to evict without the right to return.

              Why did you decide to evict all those who disagree specifically in the Far East? You immediately establish obviously unfavorable rules. Can diagonally divide Russia? Only me go where Moscow will not be. I can’t stand her spirit. But, in principle, I would agree. (Also a joke).
              Quote: jonht
              Immediately to solve a lot of problems with work

              Is that interesting?
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 20 November 2018 12: 04
      +4
      Ural resident! Tell me who do you propose to put up with us? For these of the organized crime groups in power, we are arrogant parasites who claim to return the people they have stolen. And how do you think to put this reconciliation into practice?
  15. Larum
    Larum 20 November 2018 11: 22
    +2
    Everything seems to be true, but about the repression, no, no.
    Blah blah about capitalism.
  16. BAI
    BAI 20 November 2018 11: 46
    +2
    The author is confused at the end himself and confuses the readers:

    1.
    Soviet reality, civilization created recently

    How many times I repeated, I repeat again: THERE IS NO SOVIET CIVILIZATION AND CAN'T BE!
    According to K. Marx, civilization is a society based on the oppression of one class by another. Those. - slavery, feudalism, capitalism. A classless society is either a primitive communal system (according to K. Marx - savagery), or socialism (communism). Those. socialism (communism) is the next step for civilization.
    Soviet civilization is an invention of "scientists" who have not read K. Marx.

    2.
    the old reality - the feudal, capitalist world,
    Does the author say that capitalism and feudalism are the same thing? Would write "mirAM".

    3.
    all aspects of the life of the Soviet, Stalinist empire

    Does the author use anti-Soviet stamps to describe the USSR?
  17. wooja
    wooja 20 November 2018 11: 48
    +2
    Repression is not a secret .... but the form of the struggle for power, the name of Stalin has already grown together with repression, But for some reason no one connects the names of the British monarchs with genocide and racism, with fencing, work houses and hanging vagrants .... but how only there is a strengthening and growth of at least something useful in the homeland so rises high and whine ...., unfortunately not a single state was built in white gloves. The clearing of centuries-old deposits of Russian manure was an unintelligent affair .... it was poorly cleaned by Comrade Stalin and often not those ... that only suggests that completely different people were in charge of the repressions ....
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 20 November 2018 12: 58
      -2
      Quote: wooja
      Century Deposit Clearing Russian manure non-intellectual business ...., bad cleaned Comrade Stalin and often not those.

      people are NOT dung.
      remember this simple truth.
      1. wooja
        wooja 20 November 2018 18: 03
        0
        and what is the truth ....?
  18. lot
    lot 20 November 2018 11: 51
    0
    Article - nostalgia. passion for the "strong hand" of Batman in a blue helicopter.
  19. Operator
    Operator 20 November 2018 13: 32
    +1
    Damn, again, the adorable ad - the title theme "The Mystery of Repression" is not disclosed laughing
  20. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 20 November 2018 14: 15
    +7
    The author cannot understand that, regardless of his opinion, a return to socialism-communism is impossible.

    So they said then about capitalism - "return is impossible", but returned. So there will be no "return" to socialism, but now there will be a return to capitalism. Let us go forward to socialism again.
    The last reserves of a bad experiment chasing Cuba and North Korea in agony.

    Eta's "agony" has been going on for a long time, for more than 25 years, and there is no end in sight. Let's think how long the agony, for example, South Korea, could last if everything around the world is socialism? Will it take 25 days or 2,5 months? And where did the PRC and Vietnam go? There is no "bad experiment" or something?
    Therefore, shaking the air with curses against the capitalists is pointless.

    There is no shaking of the air. It is necessary to finish the bad experiment of the restoration of capitalism, stop the movement back into the past and move forward to socialism.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 21 November 2018 00: 32
      -1
      In the world, socialism will never be the same - why, because human greed and greed are an insurmountable evolutionary vice, no matter what, there will always be few.
      1. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene 21 November 2018 23: 02
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        In the world, socialism will never be the same - why, because human greed and greed are an insurmountable evolutionary vice, no matter what, there will always be few

        Socialism will definitely be, so urgently correct yourself, otherwise we won’t take you there.
  21. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 20 November 2018 14: 22
    +5
    by this year, Russia was only caught up in the level of food and clothing consumption in 1913

    What kind of food and clothing did the Russian peasants (more than 80% of the population) beat in 1913?
  22. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 20 November 2018 14: 37
    +2
    Which was a complete lie throughout the history of Russia. It is enough just to look at the map of the world to be puzzled by the paradox: as a result of the eternal "beating" of Russia, by some miracle it turned into .... the largest state in the world with the fastest growing RUSSIAN people.

    Since the beginning of the 20th century, the era of industrialization has unfortunately been beaten. A small country recently started industrialization as Japan was beating. The revolution does not hit after victories, but only after defeat.
  23. kalibr
    kalibr 20 November 2018 16: 13
    0
    Quote: Bearded
    The achievements of the USSR can be enumerated endlessly.

    Until 1991 year, right?
  24. nekromonger
    nekromonger 20 November 2018 20: 58
    0
    nationalist Finland, Pansky Poland, Romania, Germany, militaristic Japan - and only we were white and fluffy, did not attack anyone, chopped off anything. Something does not fit here.
  25. Catfish
    Catfish 20 November 2018 23: 34
    +1
    Quote: nekromonger
    and only we are white and fluffy, didn’t attack anyone, didn’t


    There is such a white and fluffy beast called the Arctic fox, creeps up silently and imperceptibly. In the 91st, no one heard the steps of the soft paws, but what about today? smile
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    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 21 November 2018 00: 35
      -1
      Well, perhaps, hunger and pay were added - workdays, just a beggarly rural leveling.
    2. vvnab
      vvnab 21 November 2018 09: 02
      +2
      Socialism is a transitional stage on the road to building a communist (classless society).
      Some features ("birthmarks", as Marx wrote) of capitalism in a socialist society can persist for a long time (look at China). The difference is who owns the power. In the early and Stalinist USSR, power belonged to the working people, the "dictatorship of the proletariat" was declared. Therefore, yes, the Stalinist economy was socialist. And even the NEP, oddly enough it may seem, was a socialist period. But in 1961, at the XNUMXnd Congress of the CPSU, the "dictatorship of the proletariat" was changed to "the leading role of the Party." This marked the end of the building of communism in the USSR and the beginning of the restoration of capitalism with the degeneration of the party nomenklatura into the bourgeois class.
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        1. vvnab
          vvnab 21 November 2018 20: 32
          +1
          I don’t even know whether to enter into a discussion ... Well oh well!

          What do you mean "the worker was silent in a rag"? Did you live at the time? In my opinion, it was during Stalin's time that a worker had the greatest number of rights and was not at all silent if they were violated. Read the newspapers of that time, watch films. Of course, you can say that all this is propaganda, but in this way anything can be questioned.

          What do you think is slavery? A slave is a person deprived of property rights. Talking tool.
          Do you think the collective farmers had no property? Or were they deprived of the right to vote, education, medicine, ...? What exactly was their "slave" position?
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    3. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 21 November 2018 23: 36
      0
      Quote: vizgun

      I have a question for people fiercely stomping for Comrade Stalin: Was the Stalinist economy socialist and in general, what is socialism?

      Read the Stalinist textbook Political Economy 1954 Edition, link
      http://anticomprador.ru/publ/uchebnik_politehkonomii_1954/politicheskaja_ehkonomija_uchebnik_1954/54-1-0-975
      I think that after reading it your questions will disappear by themselves.
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        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 22 November 2018 18: 48
          +1
          Quote: vizgun
          He wrote it back in 1922, after which he was immediately expelled abroad on a "philosophical steamer".

          They did it right, there is nothing for youth to brainwash their stupidities.
          Quote: vizgun
          Read your communist scholasticism, do not respect yourself. She still bothered me at the institute.

          It feels like you studied there according to the principle: "You look at a book and see a fig."
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            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 23 November 2018 20: 43