Drama for Liberals: a monument to Stalin will appear in Novosibirsk by 9 May

The neoliberal layers have a sad day today. This is due to the fact that in Novosibirsk the initiative group obtained the right to install the monument to Joseph Stalin. We are talking about a bust that is planned to be placed on a private territory, which automatically removes all the legal questions that were originally asked by representatives of the ultra-liberal intelligentsia of Novosibirsk and not only this city.

The monument will be installed in the territory, which is the property of the regional representative office of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. At the same time access to this territory is free.

Earlier, a group of initiators of the bust installation noted the need to place a monument in the central part of the city or near objects of military glory, military memorials. However, this kind of initiative was rejected by the artistic council of Novosibirsk. The arguments are as follows:

The installation of the monument to Stalin may entail an insult to the feelings and dignity of a part of the inhabitants of Novosibirsk. The fact is that Stalin’s figure is ambiguous and causes polar assessments by the public.

Apparently, the figure, for example, Boris Yeltsin, according to the logic of the Arts Council representatives, does not cause polar assessments among the country's public, and therefore the Yeltsin center grew up in another Russian million-city - Yekaterinburg - without any questions and obstacles from representatives of the local (and not only local) authorities.

A monument to Stalin in Novosibirsk will appear on the funds of the Communist Party Regional Committee to 9 May 2019. Consideration is being given to the possible placement of not only CCTV cameras at the monument, but also of protection (at least for the first time), in order to avoid provocative actions.

Comments

[Donviache]

Now united Russia and the monument will turn on after a long debate on Stalin on the first channel to change their minds.

[Underwater hunter]

Great comrades! We begin to move in the right direction!

[Uncle lee]

It is high time !

[210ox]

"Drama" for them and a holiday for the people will be the closure of one pompous building in Yekaterinburg. "

[Zhora Perm]

Who like, but I am for the monuments to Stalin in every city and village of our country

[raw174]

Quote: Zhora Perm

Who like, but I am for the monuments to Stalin in every city and village of our country

Why in every village then? Money nowhere to go? Yes, Stalin’s figure is ambiguous, but he earned a monument with at least two epoch-making deeds: 1-industrialization, 2-victory in the Second World War. It is not necessary in every village, but in industrial centers and hero cities, you can put it.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: raw174

Yes, Stalin’s figure is ambiguous, but he earned a monument with at least two epoch-making deeds: 1-industrialization, 2-victory in the Second World War. It is not necessary in every village, but in industrial centers and hero cities, you can put it.

There is another historical figure from which the liberals are shaking almost like from Stalin - Ivan the Terrible.
And he has at least a couple of good deeds for which the monuments rely - the introduction of school education and the organization of local self-government.

[Alber]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

There is another historical figure from which the liberals are shaking almost like from Stalin - Ivan the Terrible.

Quote: Zhora Perm

Who like, but I am for the monuments to Stalin in every city and village of our country

Let them hang themselves! The air in the country will become cleaner

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

There is another historical figure from which the liberals are shaking almost like from Stalin - Ivan the Terrible.

not only liberals, Ivan the Terrible was hated in RI

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: Captain Pushkin

There is another historical figure from which the liberals are shaking almost like from Stalin - Ivan the Terrible.

not only liberals, Ivan the Terrible was hated in RI

Why would the Romanovs love the Ruriks? The Time of Troubles in Russia, and in modern terms, the civil war, just the Romanovs and accomplices and muddied, just in order to capture the Russian throne.

[Pax tecum]

210qu:
"Drama" for them and a holiday for the people will be the closure of one pompous building in Yekaterinburg. "

[Petrograd]

"When I die, a lot of rubbish will be on my grave and memory, but the wind of history will take it away" literally I can not guarantee, but the meaning is clear. The Great Man, with a very difficult and tragic fate, but he is the Winner, no matter how they denigrate him or belittle him and openly hate him. Regarding the liberals and other "vileness" - they have it as a strong and powerful leader of the country (Ivan the Terrible, Peter 1, Ekaterina 2, Stalin) - so all bloody tyrants. But they have "liberoids" bursting and watered impotent in favor - Nicholas # 2, bna, hump (he also loved the wind of change, he just lives in Germany, apparently closer to scorpions and from childhood got used to "six" herMish against the brave guys from the SS.

[SERGUS]

The installation of the monument to Stalin may entail an insult to the feelings and dignity of a part of the inhabitants of Novosibirsk. The fact is that Stalin’s figure is ambiguous and causes polar assessments by the public.

The figure of Yeltsin, in my opinion, in 98% of the public causes extremely negative (to put it mildly) assessments, but when those in power opened the Yeltsin center, they somehow did not take this into account.

[tomket]

Quote: raw174

Why in every village then?

Why not? To put in front of every village council, city hall, at each city council, and without fail at each branch of United Russia. That would be going to work deputies, officials, and United Russia, passing by indulged in thoughts so to speak. Like Bosch, here I am, but one step before I sawed in the taiga.

[raw174]

Quote: tomket

And why not?

Who will pay? If the villagers will take off, there are no questions, but they will not take off, because there is nothing ... And yet, there is no city hall in the village, there is a village administration where people work, for a penny they solve economic issues. Of course, they steal something there too, but mostly stationery.

[Turist1996]

Cutting out of wood will not be so expensive, but it is symbolic: "there was enough money for that - but nevertheless!"

[kalibr]

Oak or lime Stalin - it's cool!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: raw174

but mostly stationery.

oh no, not only stationery

[Henderson]

also light candles

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: tomket

Why not? To put in front of every village council, city hall, at each city council, and without fail at each branch of United Russia. That would be going to work deputies, officials, and United Russia, passing by indulged in thoughts so to speak. Like Bosch, here I am, but one step before I sawed in the taiga.

Put it at home! The Soviet People Won the War! Those war veterans after the war were shipped in batches to the zone .. Disabled people from the streets of cities and villages were taken to boarding schools in a gloomy distance, out of sight! That would not spoil the mood of some ... The figure is ambiguous and there is a lot of speculation on the subject of Stalin ... It is clear that people are offended ... They want justice! Even with the help of executions and prisons. Any of us can only be shot ... As it already was ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: 30 vis

The Soviet People Won the War!

forgive me, but the people themselves do not lose and do not win
there is a leader will be victory

there will be a bastard instead of a leader

[Xnumx vis]

I do not want to argue about the role of the individual in the fate of the state ... But without the Soviet people, not one, the most beautiful leader in the Great Patriotic War did not win ... DOMESTIC !!! The war is not for the leader, but for the Fatherland !!!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: 30 vis

But without the Soviet people, not one, the most beautiful leader in the Great Patriotic War did not win ...

there is such a proverb: an army of rams led by a lion will defeat an army of lions led by a ram

[Xnumx vis]

Do you deny the heroic role of the Soviet people in the Great Victory!?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: 30 vis

Do you deny the heroic role of the Soviet people in the Great Victory!?

I advise you to try to comprehend what you read

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: 30 vis

Do you deny the heroic role of the Soviet people in the Great Victory!?

I advise you to try to comprehend what you read

I carefully read your opuses ... I realized that it was only thanks to Stalin that they won the War.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

let's specify where exactly
although I wrote that if it weren’t for Stalin all the heroism of the People would not have helped, Gorbachev and Yeltsin as an example to you

[Xnumx vis]

All of you, dear understand! Gorbachev, Yeltsin and Stalin to help you!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Yes, no, I don’t understand, you ascribe to someone else’s thoughts with something, and after that you also become a pose
give a quote in which I wrote that only noble Stalin we won, as well as belittled the role of the Soviet people, well, or apologize to me

[cradle]

Any of you. No need to stick to the people, ordinary people do not steal and there is nothing to fear.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

[quote = tomket] And why not? To put in front of every village council, city hall, at each city council, and without fail at each branch of United Russia. [/ Quot] This will lead to the opposite result

[mavrus]

If we are talking about the village, then collectivization rather than industrialization ... And the installation of monuments in the villages, for one, will debunk all the dirt that the liberals poured on collectivization and collective farms, so the authorities will not allow this.

[raw174]

Quote: mavrus

And the installation of monuments in the villages, for one, will debunk all the dirt that the liberals poured on collectivization and collective farms, so the authorities will not allow this.

The installation of the monument will not prove or debunk anything, it will only add work to the district police officers, because they will be spoiled by young people who are impressed by the Internet. Regarding the fact that the authorities will not allow it - nonsense! The land in the village does not cost anything, buy five squares and set it up, no one will fix the obstacles, only neither you nor anyone else need this ... After all, when it comes to a personal pocket, love for Stalin or someone still, will decline. I repeat, poking monuments everywhere is stupid, it’s better to plant a tree.

[Turist1996]

My granny, the kingdom of heaven to her, to the question in the early 90's: "Bab, is it true that under Khrushchev it became better to live than under Stalin?" answered: "Yes, just bread at last, for the first time since the war, ate well enough under Nikita .."

[Turist1996]

And she was on the collective farm in Altai the whole war - she worked as a girl of 14 years old. So I believe her.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Turist1996

replied: "Yes, just bread at last for the first time since the war ate enough to eat with Nikita .."

rare nonsense, but about the lack of bread of the 60s she did not speak

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Zhora Permsky

Who like, but I am for the monuments to Stalin in every city and village of our country

Set at your own expense.

[tomket]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Set at your own expense.

What jars from Stalin, how the hell of incense? It happens, it happens.

[raw174]

Quote: tomket

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Set at your own expense.

What jars from Stalin, how the hell of incense? It happens, it happens.

The point is not that it warps, but that it makes no sense to plant monuments. The monument should be in place and about, and thoughtless bumping - waste and stupidity.

[notingem]

Yeah, like Prince Vladimir in Moscow

[aleks_29296]

Set at your own expense.

Sasha, you just made a provocation and you’ll shout below that you are only answering. You are the first to ulcerate, nobody made you write it. So why are you provoking people?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: aleks_29296

Sasha, you just made a provocation and you’ll shout below that you are only answering.

True? And give monuments to Nicholas II in every city. Give the monuments to Nevsky, Peter and everyone else, at the expense of the budget. In the country, there is nowhere to put money. Want to go to every city at your own expense. Or does your love for Stalin end when it comes to your wallet?

[aleks_29296]

Is the article talking about budget money? Why this verbal diarrhea:

Give the monuments to Nevsky, Peter and everyone else, at the expense of the budget. In the country, there is nowhere to put money.

[New Year day]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Want to go to every city at your own expense.

reasonably.

[New Year day]

Quote: Silvestr

reasonably.

clarification due to the city budget

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Want to go to every city at your own expense. Or does your love for Stalin end when it comes to your wallet?

If Yeltsin’s center was built for budgetary money from the pockets of taxpayers, to say the people, not really interested in whether this center is needed, then the people would have thrown themselves. Alexander, you will probably be unpleasantly surprised, but if in Russia an account is opened for collecting donations to the monuments of I.V. Stalin, then the necessary amount will be collected in a matter of months, if not weeks. Only this will mean the collapse of the entire liberotas and its policy of de-Stalinization and decommunization, and therefore the authorities will never agree to this. I know for sure that I and my friends would transfer money to the best of my ability without hesitation, if such an account really existed. Great was a man!

[New Year day]

Quote: Nyrobsky

but if in Russia an account is opened for collecting donations to the monuments of I.V. Stalin, then the necessary amount will be collected in a matter of months, if not weeks.

you can not even go to the grandmother

[Turist1996]

Lets do it! I added my "five cents" to the "28 Panfilovites" - and I don't regret it!
And I will gladly throw myself on the monument to a truly statesman, and not to "professional girls in trousers and a hat"!
And not at the expense of the budget!
Are you ready?

[Turist1996]

At our expense, Yeltsin centers are being built at the expense of the budget: there is nowhere to put money, all problems have been resolved, pensioners are skating in oil, they remember the "saints of the 90s," ), floating dock PD-50 also "sank", VAT was raised, and tariffs for housing and communal services (this is a consequence of the increase in VAT - as the prime minister said. Who raised this VAT, huh ?! Ay-yay-yay !!) only two times in 2019 they will raise (I will cut you a little - just don't be afraid).
And so yes - everything is nishtyak in the country. And the main enemy of the whole country is its former leader, who, judging by the population decline in the RSFSR to the Russian Federation, is just a sucker compared to the first president of the Russian Federation in terms of genocide of the population of his own country.

[Turist1996]

But we will install memorial centers at the expense of taxpayers precisely to the mediocre !!!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And Nicholas II to every city.

and for what? !!
for the ruined Empire and the civil war ?!

[Turist1996]

Eh, they don’t even set the Romanov dynasties - to see the last of the dynasty, he has done everything that he is remembered just like the tsar’s struggle ..

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

and whose drunk they put and for what merits?

[atos_kin]

Quote: Zhora Perm

Who like, but I am for the monuments to Stalin in every city and village of our country

There is an opinion: It is necessary to begin with Stalingrad, there are not many monuments. Comrade Stalin was a modest man.

[Senior manager]

Quote: Zhora Permsky

Who like, but I am for the monuments to Stalin in every city and village of our country

Strongly good, too bad. And they die of pleasure. Well, you know. I. Stalin is a historical personality of a WORLD scale, I join - his memory must be immortalized, without excesses "on the ground", and I would like without the overthrow of monuments. A purely rhetorical question - well, when will WE all begin to honor our history?

[Azis]

Who like, but I am for the monuments to Stalin in every city and village of our country

And a bust is still needed in the lobby of each government institution

[New Year day]

Quote: 210ox

"Drama" for them and a holiday for the people will be the closure of one pompous building in Yekaterinburg. "

and I don’t need libraries like that!

[The Siberian barber]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: 210ox

"Drama" for them and a holiday for the people will be the closure of one pompous building in Yekaterinburg. "

and I don’t need libraries like that!

I would like to look at that "book lover" who can master "read all the works" presented here

[tomket]

Quote: The Siberian Barber

I would like to look at that "book lover" who can master "read all the works" presented here

The Yeltsin Center is dedicated to this avid reader.

[The Siberian barber]

Quote: tomket

Quote: The Siberian Barber

I would like to look at that "book lover" who can master "read all the works" presented here

The Yeltsin Center is dedicated to this avid reader.

Duc and EBN himself, came to power, largely thanks to the "book lovers". Cars brought the "literature" to the place of famous events .. Unloaded with boxes

[poquello]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: 210ox

"Drama" for them and a holiday for the people will be the closure of one pompous building in Yekaterinburg. "

and I don’t need libraries like that!

[New Year day]

For a long time, once in the 90s, we were at the Chernogolovsky Vodka Factory. I bought several bottles at the factory store and, already in Moscow, went down the subway. It so happened that a couple of bottles broke on the step and the smell of vodka went all over the metro. For some passengers, such a moan escaped!

[Slinqshot]

Why close? Rename it to the Stalin Center and open there something like a palace of children's creativity

[Machito]

Thanks to Comrade Stalin for our happy childhood.
This is not irony.

[kasatky]

Monument to IV Stalin should be. And not one.
This man led the country through serious trials and managed to make it even stronger. He laid the foundation of such strength that we still stand on it. On the other hand, it was worth the great efforts of the peoples and serious measures ... But how could it be otherwise?
I would be very happy if the monument is installed. I would have even thrown myself off. There is an account where to transfer?

[Ural-4320]

I agree. Father was born and lived in Taganrog, talked about the food of his childhood. I listed some rolls without filling of grades 10-12, and then I also listed them from cornmeal. Cakes, ice cream, all sorts of sweets (says sweet tooth was in childhood). In my childhood in Grozny (the capital of the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, a heavenly city), I searched for a long time for what he was talking about to take the same sweet tinned corn.
In the center of Grozny there was a brand store-bakery "Stolichny". There they made a lot of pastries, cakes, there was a cafeteria. The father noted that in his childhood the cakes were one and a half times larger, and the eclairs were stuffed with cream, and not just smeared.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Ural-4320

Father was born and lived in Taganrog, talked about the food of his childhood. I listed some rolls without filling grades 10-12,

Well, not everything was so rosy. I’m not going to make any horrors, but life was difficult in those days. Especially in the village. And not everyone had money to get dressed, put on the simplest clothes (they still had to look for them even if they had money), but someone didn’t always have money for bread.
All resources of the country were thrown to prepare for war. Its start dates were strategically determined correctly. Back in 1930, Stalin, speaking to graduates of the military academy, said that we were 50-100 years behind Europe. And if we do not overcome this lag in 10 years, then we will be crushed.

[Ural-4320]

My mistake, it was worth writing that Dad was 1950g.

[Turist1996]

I have a father, born 54 - entered the medical institute from the village. Mother - the same b. - also from the village to the institute. As a result, they met, they made me and my sister. And they worked in their specialty until the end of the 2000s. Dad - a traumatologist - an orthopedist of the highest category, mother - a doctor - a radiologist of the highest category.
Here you have the education system and its quality !!

[Turist1996]

Well, that is, until the end of the zero ..

[Senior manager]

Quote: Turist1996

Here you have the education system and its quality !!

You lose sight of one quality of the USSR - higher education for that period, by the number of enrollments was from the village. I am responsible for my words - guys, sailors, from the village were a cut above the sailors from the city. The village was accustomed to the work of sismalism, initiative, and, ultimately, the fulfillment of the task. The best sailor who served with me was a carrier from the lawn -53, from the Baltic states, for the sake of interest, he alone performed the duties of a telegraph path to the control unit plus the duty assistant assistant to the head of the control unit impeccably. Years passed an immeasurably last name, I forgot kaetsya.

[NKT]

Well, now in that quarter there is a park and a mosque, and no one can repeat that in Rostov or in St. Petersburg (except that Smolninskoye is somewhat reminiscent) of the "Boucher" branded cake.

[Tersky]

Quote: NKT

Well, now in that quarter a park is set up and a mosque stands,

You are mistaken, the mosque stands at the crossroads of the former Ordzhonikidze Avenue and Pobeda Avenue, opposite the former Kavkaz hotel, and there was also a square broken up. Stolichny was on Lenin Square, opposite the Lenin monument or the Palace of Pioneers. Near the "Arakelovsky" grocery store.

[NKT]

Opposite the monument to Lenin was the Rodnichok store, the Yunost cinema and the Technical Book store, and the grocery store was to the right (if you stand with your back to the monument), opposite the grocery store was a square and the Gaidarovskaya library was visible behind it. "Stolichny" was to the left of the monument, just opposite the end of the hotel, and further in the same building was the Central Bank and a toy store.

[Tersky]

Everything turns out to be well remembered, but with the mosque you got a little lost. I visit Grozny almost once every six months, there are changes, but mainly in the center. The "Red Hammer" is no longer there, in its place is the city market.

[Ragoz]

Bearded man:
Remember?
Stalin gives us a happy childhood
He remembers us among various concerns
He remembers us entering the podium
And the leader’s smile warms us.

[Alber]

Quote: Bearded

Thanks to Comrade Stalin for our happy childhood.
This is not irony.

Stalin saved the Russian people from the genocide organized by the Zionofashists

[Egorovich]

It would be nice to return the Stalinist order for the entire Russian leadership - deputies, governments, regional leaders and their hangers-on, factory directors, etc. Everyone would wake up right away.

[bouncyhunter]

Sasha

Quote: Egorovich

It would be nice to return the Stalinist order for the entire Russian leadership

Look at the root: isn’t that the reason for the liberal hatred of Joseph Stalin?

[Egorovich]

Pasha, my respect ! Therefore, they hate that their tyranny was supervised and they knew that punishment would be inevitable, so they kept all their Wishlist in check. And if not, then the result was known.

[bouncyhunter]

Stalin can be treated differently, but we should not forget that he is an integral part of history. And the monuments best remind of history.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Stalin can be treated differently, but we should not forget that he is an integral part of history. And the monuments best remind of history

You write this when they will spit in Vera, when there will be a squeal about the installation of the monument to Nicholas.
Just write. Don’t forget

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

You write this when they will spit in Vera, when there will be a squeal about the installation of the monument to Nicholas.

I’ll write, because Nicholas is the same integral part of the story, as if someone did not belong to him.

[aleks_29296]

You write it when there will spit in Vera

And they spit here, as a rule, not in Faith, but in "clergymen" who turn Faith into business.

[Sewer krainiy]

You write this when they will spit in Vera ...
Under Stalin, a church stood in our village, and my grandmother drove me there. They closed and demolished it under Khrushchev. Now restored. Is Nikolai worthy of a monument ... ??? After all, the liberals themselves removed the tsar. Now, they want to repent, rehabilitate. Al in a new circle twist the story ....

[Turist1996]

Faith is everyone’s personal affair!
If Nicholas II will be erected a monument with the money raised - I will not say a word bad!
Want - not a question! Although a controversial person, this is a historical person in our country!
But Bandera, Kolchak and Mannerheim - no !!!!

[Turist1996]

For not Bandera, nor Kolchak, nor Mannerheim, and in their thoughts did not think about what is called a country !!!

[Turist1996]

Namely - about Russia!
Nicholas, giving up monarchy, at least said something to justify the refusal ..
And these are jackals. They could raise it, but didn’t understand what they raised ..
They burned themselves and bounced - for: not a hat over Senka !!!

[tomket]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Look at the root: isn’t that the reason for the liberal hatred of Joseph Stalin?

It is in this. Here they can say the masters of life have felt themselves, and here you are reminded by Stalin how they are in the taiga and to be shot

[Turist1996]

Exactly!!!!

[your1970]

Quote: Egorovich

It would be nice to return the Stalinist order for the entire Russian leadership - deputies, governments, regional leaders and their hangers-on, factory directors, etc. Everyone would wake up right away.

-read documents THOSE have not tried times? how IN THE EYES the aviation commander lied to Stalin and it was checked right there in his presence, and proved that he was lying? and, surprisingly, they didn’t shoot him, not to the front as a soldier in fines, but to command the aviation in the same rank .....
apparently so afraid, so afraid, that he lied in the eyes

[your1970]

Quote: your1970

Quote: Egorovich

It would be nice to return the Stalinist order for the entire Russian leadership - deputies, governments, regional leaders and their hangers-on, factory directors, etc. Everyone would wake up right away.

-read documents THOSE have not tried times? how IN THE EYES the aviation commander lied to Stalin and it was checked right there in his presence, and proved that he was lying? and, surprisingly, they didn’t shoot him, not to the front as a soldier in fines, but to command the aviation in the same rank .....
apparently so afraid, so afraid, that he lied in the eyes

gentlemen minusers - read Golovanov about the story with Zhigarev and how he lied to Stalin in the eyes ....
Read apparently 13 people do not know how to memoirs

[New Year day]

Quote: Egorovich

It would be nice to return the Stalinist order for the entire Russian leadership - deputies, governments, regional leaders and their hangers-on, factory directors, etc. Everyone would wake up right away.

I’m sure that our fleet would again be oceanic, and that the missiles would not fall, the docks would not sink, and the thieves would be thousands of times smaller

[bober1982]

Quote: Silvestr

sure

And, here we would not be unbalanced either, something about the leader’s worn slippers does not say that (slippers) were dispelled by the wind of history.

[New Year day]

Quote: bober1982

And, here we would not be unbalanced either, something about the leader’s worn slippers does not say that (slippers) were dispelled by the wind of history.

or maybe for the better?

[bober1982]

I must introduce a moratorium on the installation of memorial plaques, busts and monuments - I’m sure.

[Underwater hunter]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Egorovich

It would be nice to return the Stalinist order for the entire Russian leadership - deputies, governments, regional leaders and their hangers-on, factory directors, etc. Everyone would wake up right away.

I’m sure that our fleet would again be oceanic, and that the missiles would not fall, the docks would not sink, and the thieves would be thousands of times smaller

Yes, quality work ... with our government if that were the case ..

[your1970]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Egorovich

It would be nice to return the Stalinist order for the entire Russian leadership - deputies, governments, regional leaders and their hangers-on, factory directors, etc. Everyone would wake up right away.

I’m sure that our fleet would again be oceanic, and that the missiles would not fall, the docks would not sink, and the thieves would be thousands of times smaller

all minusers - not knowing the story, but squealing about "a couple of Stalin !!!!"

Shortly after the outbreak of World War II, the Red Army Air Force Headquarters was formed on the basis of the Main Directorate of the Air Force, and P. Zhigarev was appointed commander of the Air Force of the Red Army on June 29 on June 1941. According to the order of the People’s Commissar of Defense No. 136 of 4 on May 1942 of the year and in accordance with the resolution of the Council of People’s Commissars of the USSR of April 26 of April 1942 of the year No. 588 "On the appointment of Deputy People's Commissar of Defense vol. Novikova A. A., Aborenkova V. V., Vorobyev M. P. and Rumyantsev A. D. ”- removed from the post of commander of the Air Force of the Red Army and appointed commander of the Air Force of the rear Far Eastern Front.

and then the memories of Golovanov
"Autumn 1941. A. Ye. Golovanov and Air Force Commander Lieutenant General PF Zhigarev arrived at Headquarters. At one of the railway stations it was planned to unload our troops, and Stalin asked Pavel Fedorovich if he could organize a cover. Zhigarev promised to do it and together with Golovanov he went to the headquarters of the Air Force. He called the chief of staff and gave instructions to allocate a regiment of fighters to cover the unloading division. The chief of staff immediately replied perplexedly:
— You know, Comrade Commander, that we do not have fighters.
At this time, a bell rang. Stalin asked if instructions were given for the allocation of cover.
— Yes, comrade Stalin, they are, ”Zhigarev answered. The chief of staff and Golovanov looked at him with bewildered eyes.
«I don’t know how he got out of this situation, ”Golovanov told me and recalled the case when Zhigarev again deceived Stalin, saying that the factories did not supply him with airplanes. Stalin immediately, from his office, phoned all the aircraft factories, recording in detail how many planes had accumulated on each of them, for which they had not arrived from the front. ”
In continuation of this episode, I will cite an excerpt from censorship of the late 60's excerpt from Golovanov’s memoirs “Long-Range Bomber ...”:
“When the comrades left, Stalin slowly approached Zhigarev, one of his hands began to rise.
“Will it really strike?” A thought flickered in my mind.
- Scoundrel! - with an expression of deepest contempt Stalin spoke, and his hand fell. -
- Out!
The speed with which Pavel Fedorovich left, corresponded to his desires. Stalin walked for a long time, and, looking at him, I thought what kind of will I need, what kind of self-control, how this amazing person knows how to control himself, whom I recognized more and more every day, involuntarily feeling respect for him ...
What will he do now with Zhigarev? Will betray him to the military court, as was done with Pavlov? But the situation on the fronts is now not what it was in June-July of the 1941 of the year. Finally, Stalin spoke:
- Here, fight and work with this man! He doesn't even know what's going on in his own diocese! You will have to straighten things out! ""

I’ll clarify the situation again. Air Force Commander General P.F. Zhigarev directly in the office of Stalin brazenly lied to the Supreme. 701 one serviceable aircraft are in factories because crews are not sent to pick up these aircraft.
Spring 1942 of the year.
So you personally, what would you do in the place of Stalin? With General Zhigarev?

[Petrograd]

Quote: your1970

So you personally, what would you do in the place of Stalin? With General Zhigarev?

Monsieur , and what you did in place of Stalin? And the liar Zhigarev, he, what trace did he leave in the history of the Great Patriotic War, distinguished himself only by the fact that he was "fooled" in his position and was pitied? We also "regretted" the Minister of the Armed Forces with an angry surname and his request .. oh ( ) the protégé, who sings songs at home and paints a little pictures, nothing, she did, would you do what to do with them? And what would you do, with modern officials, frankly with contempt and mockery, relating to us (I hope you know stories about macaroshkas, and about questions about the birth rate and the ability to make a juicy chop out of a citizen of the Russian Federation, etc.), it was just that at that time there were the same "polyturods", but for many it ended sadly, but now, alas, democracy and the construction of a new a noble-bourgeois society, in which the new gentlemen of life can sit in a thought, pretending to work and worry about the country and the population, scratch their "Faberge" and continue to "master" the budget in their pocket.

[your1970]

and they were treated "no better" - only then WAR was ...
700 aircraft did not get to the front in a timely manner - these are not "macaroshkas", not "pictures" and not even some loot.
And not in the 45, but in the 42 ... and it died because of this there may well be more than a dozen thousand spacecraft fighters - whom this aircraft did not cover from the enemy .....
And yes, for him it ended not sadly - he sat the war in the Far East in the same uniform ...
I hope you agree - that the theater of operations on the Far East was very different from the European?

[Petrograd]

Quote: your1970

I hope you agree - that the theater of operations on the Far East was very different from the European?

I agree, 99%, but 1% is something that did not open a second front with Japan, do you know?
From our position as the know-it-alls of history, we forget what happened then, what emotions and situations were. Yes, and not everything is so smooth in this story:
Born in the family of a poor peasant. Russian. In the Worker-Peasant Red Army since 1919. Member of the RCP (b) since 1920. In 1919-1920 he served in the reserve cavalry regiment in Tver and did not participate in the main hostilities of the civil war.
In 1934-1936 he commanded aviation units, from a separate squadron to an air brigade. In 1937-1938 he was on a business trip to China, leading a group of Soviet volunteer pilots. He took part in the hostilities of the Sino-Japanese War on the side of the government forces of Chiang Kai-shek, organized the reflection of Japanese air strikes, air defense, and trained Chinese pilots on Soviet aircraft.

Zhigarev’s actions in China were highly appreciated, and after returning from there in September 1938 he was appointed head of the Red Army Air Force Combat Training Directorate. Since 1939 - Air Force Commander of the 2nd Separate Far Eastern Red Banner Army. Since December 1940 - First Deputy, and since April 1941 - Head of the Main Directorate of the Air Force of the Red Army. Lieutenant General of Aviation (4.06.1940/XNUMX/XNUMX).
Shortly after the start of World War II, the Red Army Air Force Headquarters was formed on the basis of the Air Force Main Directorate, and P. Zhigarev was appointed commander of the Air Force of the Red Army on June 29, 1941. He headed the Air Force of the Union during the most difficult first period of the Great Patriotic War. He was directly involved in the planning and leadership of the military operations of Soviet aviation in the Battle of Moscow. Colonel General of Aviation (22.10.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX).

According to the order of the People’s Commissar of Defense No. 136 of May 4, 1942 and in accordance with the decision of the Council of People’s Commissars of the USSR # 26 of April 1942, 588 “On the appointment of Deputy People’s Commissioner of Defense, vol. "Novikova A. A., Aborenkova V.V., Vorobyova M. P. and Rumyantseva A. D." - removed from the post of commander of the Air Force of the Red Army and appointed commander of the Air Force of the rear Far Eastern Front. Since June 1945 - commander of the 10th Air Army. In August 1945, the army took part in the Soviet-Japanese war in the zone of troops of the Second Far Eastern Front in Manchuria, and provided military operations on Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands.
Answer again, to my question, would you shoot him? And I’ll ask you to indicate the sources — where did this episode that you brought above come from?

Quote: your1970

And not in the 45, but in the 42 ... and it died because of this there may well be more than a dozen thousand spacecraft fighters - whom this aircraft did not cover from the enemy .....

-who they covered, also perished, such is the war in the hundreds and thousands, do not consider, by principle, there might be if there is no such calculator of history.

[your1970]

700 aircraft stood in the rear because Zhigarev did not organize the arrival of crews - which exactly at that time by 4 to 1 aircraft at the front.
Apparently for Very Good service removed from a higher position and sent to a lower

Quote: Petrograd

And I’ll ask you to indicate the sources — where did this episode that you brought above come from?

memoirs of Golovanov, commander of long-range aviation, I brought a very stripped-down passage, it described how they considered and phoned few people factories, checking the number, i.e. there were many witnesses ...
Zhigarev claimed that the planes were not ready for battle, the factory workers, that there were no crews for the train. The planes were ready

[Petrograd]

Quote: your1970

700 aircraft stood in the rear because Zhigarev did not organize the arrival of crews - which exactly at that time by 4 to 1 aircraft at the front.
Apparently for Very Good service removed from a higher position and sent to a lower

Quote: Petrograd

And I’ll ask you to indicate the sources — where did this episode that you brought above come from?

memoirs of Golovanov, commander of long-range aviation, I brought a very stripped-down passage, it described how they considered and phoned few people factories, checking the number, i.e. there were many witnesses ...
Zhigarev claimed that the planes were not ready for battle, the factory workers, that there were no crews for the train. The planes were ready

I’ll read it, and continue there.

[Lycan]

Who knows, in such a frenzy, one may have to shoot many (albeit not ideal, but) professionals in their niche. And it’s a long time to grow a combat- and science-capable contingent. Shooting - quickly, but correctly motivating a specialist - that’s aerobatics with a powerful return in the future.

[Krasnodar]

If for the government, then it’s thumping and firing Georgian cuisine until 5 in the morning. So Stalin behaved after the 45th.

Quote: Egorovich

It would be nice to return the Stalinist order for the entire Russian leadership - deputies, governments, regional leaders and their hangers-on, factory directors, etc. Everyone would wake up right away.

[Tersky]

Quote: Krasnodar

then it’s thumping and firing Georgian cuisine until 5 in the morning. So Stalin behaved after 45.

Served drinks and main courses in person? Not..? Or do you read Starikov and Rezun for the night, and keep Solzhenitsyn's "creativity" under your pillow? Before writing something like that about Stalin, remember Borya the teetotaler, who really didn’t dry out. It's violet to me that Stalin drank and ate after the 45th, but I know what he did to make this 45 come.

[Alber]

Quote: Krasnodar

If for the government, then it’s thumping and firing Georgian cuisine until 5 in the morning. So Stalin behaved after the 45th.

How is it necessary to hate Stalin so fiercely, what is writing? You Zionists teach this torus?

[Ural-4320]

Yes, it’s not Stalin’s order. This is the responsibility for their affairs and common sense. In other countries, the same laws, even stricter. Another thing is that he had to tighten the screws in a country where alcohol was the norm in life, there were no normal communications throughout the country and a lot of people wishing to recoup where possible, both home-grown and foreign. And there were enough fools on the ground, where they were especially proactive, and where they were exiled.

[Sewer krainiy]

[quote] [/ quote] Yes, and there were enough fools on the ground, where they were especially proactive, and where they were exiled.
Yes, and there were still few literate specialists. Who is what a lot. Where wisely, where peasant grip, and where and how horrible. This is now all with a higher diploma, and where is the knowledge. Now it’s a shame that we have what we have.

[raw174]

Quote: Egorovich

It would be nice to return the Stalinist order for the entire Russian leadership - deputies, governments, regional leaders and their hangers-on, factory directors, etc. Everyone would wake up right away.

Why selectively? For everyone then ... But believers, parishioners, will be against it.

[notingem]

Well, believe it. Only keep the commandments. And then what kind of strange believers went

[raw174]

Quote: notingem

Well, believe it. Only keep the commandments. And then what kind of strange believers went

I am a convinced atheist, I'm not about myself ...

[notingem]

That's it. No need to decide for others. Moreover, speculate on Faith others

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: Underwater Hunter

Great comrades! We begin to move in the right direction!

I really hope that monuments to L.P. Beria with the inscription "To the head of the atomic project, who managed to prevent the destruction of our great country."

[Alex Justice]

Beria was an excellent manager.

[Ivan Ivanov]

While

Quote: Underwater Hunter

This is due to the fact that in Novosibirsk the initiative group achieved the right to erect a monument to Joseph Stalin. It's about a bust that they plan to place in a private area

Despite the fact that the monument to Krasnov has long been calmly standing in private territory, such a reconciliation.

[Nick_R]

The monument will be installed on the territory that is the property of the regional representative office of the Communist Party. 

For me it’s such a drama, such a drama, sho ash. . . . .does not matter.

[Ross xnumx]

Yes, do not care about them. They are in Moscow, and we are here in Siberia. As soon as the monument is erected, it will be necessary to organize a referendum on the transfer of the capital to Novosibirsk ... There, even before the Soviet Union is at hand ...

[Detective]

Quote: ROSS 42

There, even before the Soviet Union is at hand ...

On the way and with the separators of Siberia for one figure it out okay? Well, not to walk twice.

[Detective]

And what are the cons, precious comrades ?! Al Siberia is not Russia? Well, if you’re on the road - the road has gathered, then deal with the problem! Or are the liberals nervous?

[Tomich3]

And what is similar to Russia?

[Tomich3]

This is Tomsk city center ....

[Observer2014]

Ross xnumx (ROSS 42)

it will be necessary to organize a referendum on the transfer of the capital to Novosibirsk ..

It's time. In Novosibirsk, by the way, there is a memorial chapel, the center of Russia. A good idea has figured before. Once in 25 years, the capital should be moved. The country is huge. The development is not uniform. Here we see that some regions are poor. And others Charmed

[Pax tecum]

Observer2014:
A good idea has figured before.
... The country is huge. The development is not uniform ...

In terms of intelligence and first, Novosibirsk needs to be given the status of a city of federal significance.

PS And by the way, yes.
At the federal level, senior officials and
lawmakers have repeatedly said that the transfer of the capital is necessary.
So, the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergey Shoigu proposed creating a capital beyond the Urals. He told about this in an interview with the Unknown Siberia magazine.
According to the minister, it is worth creating a new financial and industrial center in Siberia.
And yet, this is strategically militarily necessary.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: ROSS 42

organize a referendum on the transfer of the capital to Novosibirsk ..

In case of war, this is already provided for, so a referendum is not required.

[Vend]

Quote: DonViache

Now united Russia and the monument will turn on after a long debate on Stalin on the first channel to change their minds.

There are many opponents. Until they calm down in their heads, they will not calmly erect monuments to prominent figures of the Russian Empire and the USSR.

[poquello]

Quote: DonViache

Now united Russia and the monument will turn on after a long debate on Stalin on the first channel to change their minds.

it will be a wrong decision, Chinese tourism in Novosibirsk needs to be developed

[Ural-4320]

Why the hell do we need Chinese tourism when they don’t know their countries? I would love to go to Novosibirsk, Yekaterinburg to see what price does it cost?
- Last year I was on Lake Baikal. Wonderful place!!! And you go there every year, right?
“I have never been there.”
This is my mother’s dialogue with the Czech in 1988 in Mladá Boleslav at a meeting of the Czech-Soviet friendship society.
So still - tourism in Russia is not affordable for many.

[poquello]

Quote: Ural-4320

What the hell are we doing Chinese tourism

an eccentric man is money, the Chinese love communism — let them come to Novosibirsk, the bourgeois love capitalism — let them come to Yekaterinburg, tourism is a business — it needs to be developed

[Alexander Romanov]

. In Novosibirsk, the Stalinists demanded to demolish the monument to Nicholas II.
ria.ru ›Society› 20170811 / 1500174775.html
And then we are for sho, but the Bolsheviks.
How do you feel about others, this will be the attitude towards you.

[kapitan92]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

How do you feel about others, this will be the attitude towards you.

I agree with you! The Bolsheviks came - demolished the monuments, came shit-democrats - demolished the monuments.
Monuments is the history of Russia, the USSR, whatever it may be, HISTORY !!!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: kapitan92

come shit-democrats - demolished the monuments.

We have a monument to Lenin in the city, no one demolished. Even no one raised this issue, stands and stands, does not bother anyone.
But it’s worth trying to erect a monument to Nicholas, such a howl rises from the Bolsheviks

[kapitan92]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: kapitan92

come shit-democrats - demolished the monuments.

We have a monument to Lenin in the city, no one demolished. Even no one raised this issue, stands and stands, does not bother anyone.
But it’s worth trying to erect a monument to Nicholas, such a howl rises from the Bolsheviks

I still do not understand what prevented the Bolsheviks from a monument in the center of Moscow, to the hero of the Russian-Turkish war, General Skobelev !?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: kapitan92

I still do not understand what prevented the Bolsheviks from a monument in the center of Moscow, to the hero of the Russian-Turkish war, General Skobelev !?

We are ours, we will build a new world. Look at Ukraine, all the same. The best example of how you can hate the history of your country is not a whim. Any other opinion is perceived with hostility

[tatra]

So you, the enemies of the Communists, all 30 years after the capture of the USSR you demolish the monuments of the Soviet era throughout the former USSR, rename the Soviet names of cities and streets, territorially redistribute the country, that is, do everything that the Communists rage against.

[raw174]

Quote: tatra

So you, the enemies of the Communists, all 30 years after the capture of the USSR you demolish the monuments of the Soviet era throughout the former USSR, rename the Soviet names of cities and streets, territorially redistribute the country, that is, do everything that the Communists rage against.

In fairness, it is worth noting that the Communists did exactly the same thing, renamed and erased all traces in the history ...

[tatra]

Namely, the enemies of the Communists are doing the same thing that they put up for the crime of the Communists, and you think that you have every right to do this, including carrying out political repressions against dissidents.

[raw174]

Quote: tatra

Namely, the enemies of the Communists are doing the same thing that they put up for the crime of the Communists, and you think that you have every right to do this, including carrying out political repressions against dissidents.

I’m not an anti-communist, the USSR was a part of our history, with its ups and downs, its heroes and antiheroes ... The USSR system showed its inability to compete in the world, because the Union collapsed just very quickly, literally did not survive the second generation of inhabitants. Therefore, according to Olga’s crust, painting can be done, no need to minimize it ...

[tatra]

The essence of people on the Web can be recognized by one comment, even one word, and you have proved with your comments that you are mentally and intellectually from the enemies of the communists who are not capable of discussing anything honestly, objectively, adequately.
For that short period, after deducting the two wars unleashed by the external and internal enemies, and rebuilding the country after three wars, including the First World War, the Communists and their supporters created much better both for development and for the majority of the people, except criminals and worthless parasites, State , A system, an economy, an ideology, compared to pre-revolutionary Russia, ditched by the enemies of the communists of the former Soviet republics, and 80 percent of the world's capital.

[raw174]

Quote: tatra

created much better both in development and for the majority of the people, except for criminals and worthless parasites, the State, System, economy, ideology

And where is it all, is it the best? I could not stand the competition, ended with a total deficit and collapse. Or isn’t it?

[Barbus]

It's not about competition. If you buy the ruling elite, then any state can be destroyed. The USSR showed its "competitiveness" in 1945. And if it had not been for Khrushchev, who changed the ideology and the system of values, the Union would still exist. As an example, the same China, Cuba, North Korea ...

[raw174]

Quote: Barbus

... The USSR showed its "competitiveness" in 1945.

In 1945, the USSR showed strength and the will to victory and freedom. It’s a little bit wrong ... Regarding the examples, Cuba and the DPRK just show how to not do it, in any case, if you choose between South and North Korea, the choice is obvious, no one wants to live in North ... China also like the Russian Federation has a market economy and private property prevails there.

[SGarnik]

Skobelev firmly took the territory of present-day Turkmenistan, after an unsuccessful military expedition. Perhaps one of the reasons not to remember him, so as not to tease recent allies, and he figured out the Turks, stood a hundred kilometers from Constantinople. I begged the Emperor to give the go-ahead to take the city, but .... The great was a commander.

[Vinnibuh]

I agree with you, bad, good, but OUR!

[The Siberian barber]

Quote: kapitan92

Quote: Alexander Romanov

How do you feel about others, this will be the attitude towards you.

I agree with you! The Bolsheviks came - demolished the monuments, came shit-democrats - demolished the monuments.
Monuments is the history of Russia, the USSR, whatever it may be, HISTORY !!!

“tradition” is this: each regime destroys everything created by the previous one. Monuments as a striking indicator

[New Year day]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And then we are for sho, but the Bolsheviks.
How do you feel about others, this will be the attitude towards you.

bad when only extremes.

Life is more multifaceted, except for black and white there are also other colors

[tomket]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

How do you feel about others, this will be relevant to you

And it was not necessary to the First World War and the Russian-Japanese merge. Then they would not have demanded to carry this shame. (And yes, if you will argue that they say they have merged, because of the Bolsheviks, go read the story, who overthrew whom and whom).

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: tomket

And it was not necessary to merge the First World and Russian-Japanese. Then they would not have demanded to tear down this shame.

just leave me alone

[tomket]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

just leave me alone

Well, of course, there is nothing to argue about. The results of the reign of Nicholas on the face. Well, everything is clear with you. What are the ideals of man ....

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: tomket

Well, it’s clear that there’s nothing to argue

Personally, you have no desire to object and generally communicate. I'm sorry

[tatra]

Monuments from the word MEMORY in a positive and sincere sense. The patriots of their country and people on the territory of the USSR erected monuments to Lenin and Stalin for creating a developed and social state for the people, protecting the country from you, internal enemies and your accomplices of the occupiers of Russia and the USSR - the interventionists and Nazis.
And the enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR, everything is only for the sake of BENEFIT, and strictly Russian enemies of the communists praise, starting with Gorbachev, strictly one - the last Russian monarch, only for the sake of profit in your false and hypocritical anti-Soviet, throwing out of his rule everything that you your hypocritical "philanthropy" and "righteous anger" exposed for Stalin's crimes.

[Finches]

I hope that after this event, many odious figures of a liberal-selling party will be visited by repentant suicidal thoughts with their obligatory logical conclusion ....

[Faceless]

First, you must first put on and then blow the trumpet. "Promising doesn't mean getting married."
Secondly, the comparison of the author of the news of the monument to Stalin in Novosibirsk and the Yeltsin Center in Yekaterinburg is true only in the area of ​​public relations.
The rest (primarily in the legal plan) are incomparable things: the construction of a huge complex within the city and the installation of sculpture in a private area. So the author for such a comparison is a fat minus.
In essence, both figures are ambiguous, but JV Stalin evokes much more sympathy in me. With all the reservations and peculiarities, he accepted a half-decaying, moaning sanctions and international non-recognition starving country with a plow, and left it with an atomic bomb, having spent, simultaneously, through the Second World War. Of course, there are many ambiguous and frankly tragic nuances of that time, but compare the USSR, which Koba accepted, and which I.V. Stalin left.
And now, let's make the same comparison, but with the figure of B.N. Yeltsin ....
Among the many parallels, I focus on one thing: in Los Alamos, where the world's first nuclear explosion was launched in 1945, the USSR had at least 6 agents. The Reich could not introduce a single one there. The result - 1949 - 4 years after the devastating war in our own territory, we have a nuclear bomb.
How many foreign advisers were in government in the 1990s? And what are the consequences of their advice ...

[tatra]

What is ambiguous in Stalin? In evaluating someone or something, it’s not so important what they say and write, but who says and writes. And who are Stalinophobes is, starting with Hitler and the Nazis, their millions of accomplices, their number of citizens of the USSR, who killed 26 million Soviet people.
These are those who in the late 20s and early 30s massively destroyed grain and livestock so that they would not go to the Soviet people.
These are those who captured the republics of the USSR, plundered them, ditched, robbed peoples, staged the genocide of peoples of tens of millions of people.
These are pathological liars, hypocrites, with a mental inclination for the BENEFIT, for their vile purposes, some people are slanderously accused of crimes, and to justify real crimes and millions of criminals.
These are those who NEVER admit guilt for their crimes.

[svp67]

By May 9, a monument to Stalin will appear in Novosibirsk

I honestly don’t understand one thing. In the same Siberia there are monuments to Kolchak, but not one. What has the IVS done less for our country than this admiral?

[Same lech]

There are Kolchak streets ...
our country of wonderland ...
in a radius of several kilometers there can be monuments like Kolchak ... like Stalin ... like Yeltsin ... Gorbachev is still not on this list ... well, it's a matter of time ... he will die and be put to him.
Although I would only erect a monument to Stalin ... as a statesman ... as the creator of a state behind whose back any citizen of the country could feel calm ... the rest of the figures are no match for him.

[svp67]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

our country of wonderland ...
in a radius of several kilometers there can be monuments like Kolchak ... like Stalin ... like Yeltsin ... Gorbachev is still not on this list ... well, it's a matter of time ... he will die and be put to him.

But this is OUR HISTORY. And it’s impossible to treat it somehow differently.

Quote: The same LYOKHA

There are Kolchak streets ...

In Russia, in 2016 there were 56 streets of I.V. Stalin, including: 26 - in the Novosibirsk region, 15 - in North Ossetia-Alania, 6 - in Dagestan, 2 - in Kabardino-Balkaria, 2 - in the Sverdlovsk region , 1 - in the Ulyanovsk region, 1 in Samara; along one Stalin street in Bashkortostan, Mordovia and the Tambov region [2]. In the city of Dagestan Lights named after Stalin Avenue.

[Same lech]

But this is OUR HISTORY. And it’s impossible to treat it somehow differently.

I agree ... not looking much like our unreasonable neighbors to destroy their past with which are various monuments ... on the contrary, they must be preserved for edification to our descendants.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

... as a statesman ... as the creator of a state behind whose back any citizen of the country could feel calm.

Spokoino felt until 22 June, 1941 year.
Son of the enemy of the people, the daughter of the enemy of the people. In children Chmyryl

[Tank jacket]

And there were no types of enemies and Trotskyists (revolution-everything, result-nothing)?
Directly all Western countries helped us and admired us. Plus machines were sold only for wheat by "humanists" -liberasics.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Tank jacket

And there were no types of enemies and Trotskyists (revolution-everything, result-nothing)?

Are you silent about children? It's so cool

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Are you silent about children? It's so cool

The topic of "children", is it like your last trump card? If F.E. Dzerzhinsky liquidated the homelessness of children and returned children to society through the communes, where they received medical assistance, food, education and trained in craft, then under Yeltsin the number of street children reached 2 million, and the population decline reached 800 thousand. in year. Yeltsin, without war, managed to lose Russian territory, destroy the bulk of the industrial and scientific potential, destroy more than 6 million Russians and liquidate more than 50 thousand villages, villages and townships. The history of the USSR during the period of J.V. Stalin is much broader than it was set forth by the traitor Solzhenitsin in the Gulag Archipelago, and comparing the results of the rule of Vissarionych and Yeltsin, the conclusion will clearly be in favor of Stalin, since he was a creator, and Yeltsin was a destroyer.

[svp67]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Son of the enemy of the people, the daughter of the enemy of the people. In children Chmyryl

"CHSVN" is a member of the family of an enemy of the people, as they were marked in the documents. But nevertheless, who did more for the country, Stalin or Kolchak? Why is it possible for one, but not for another, to erect a monument?
And we do not know how Kolchak would have turned out if he had won the Civil War. I admit that repression would be even tougher. In any case, Kolchak’s counterintelligence on its territory, and the army in general, didn’t, as it were, special liberalism

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: svp67

Why is it possible for one, but not for another, to erect a monument?

They will install a bust in some back room, but please. It does not bother me. The point is different, at first the communists demand not to erect a monument to Nikolai 2, and then they are outraged. People have to be.

[svp67]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The point is different, at first the communists demand not to erect a monument to Nicholas 2, and then ...

Here I agree completely. I am also not opposed to the erection of monuments of our historical figures, but against the fact that they would be forced to bow to them indiscriminately.
But we have an alley of statesmen of Russia in Moscow and there are all the rulers of Russia, and what's wrong with that, everyone can come and give honor to their idol.

[Pax tecum]

svp67:
Why is it possible for one, but not for another, to erect a monument?

Alexander Romanov:
... The point is different, at first the communists demand not to erect a monument to Nicholas 2, and then they are outraged. People have to be.

And, judging by the results of the activities of these historical figures? Nicholas II and I.V. Stalin.
Yes, at least according to what the country was during their reign and what the country became at the end of their reign. Progress? Results?
Both had a world war regime ...
And here the tsar-emperor is clearly the loser ... And, he inherited the strongest empire.

[New Year day]

Quote: Pax tecum

And here the king emperor is clearly the loser ...

turned out to be an ineffective manager. It came after many years. I would not want to repeat the story with our managers

[Barbus]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

first, the communists demand not to erect a monument to Nicholas 2

And what was so great that Nicholas 2 did to erect monuments to him? Or should monuments be put to everyone who lived?

[Same lech]

I’ll continue ... Hitler Germany’s ragr ... May 9 ...
creating your own atomic bomb ... start for the development of astronautics and much, much more.
Yes, there are negative aspects in the activities of Stalin ... but we did survive and didn’t just survive, but defeated the enemy and forced the whole world to respect ... try to do this then with our liberals ... that certainly would not have happened.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

I will continue ... the ragr of Hitler Germany ... May 9 ..

He won, he did not lose so?

[Same lech]

He won, he did not lose so?

There are no victories without defeats ...
Both Stalin of 1941 and Stalin of 1945 are already different people who knew the bitterness of defeat and the sweetness of victory over the enemy.
Of course, you have to be objective and look at the story without false glasses ... but the person is so structured that he prefers not to notice it or throw it aside.
To each his own.

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: The same LYOKHA

I will continue ... the ragr of Hitler Germany ... May 9 ..

He won, he did not lose so?

As you wish. The result is a flag over the Reichstag of the Red Army.

[tomket]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

He won, he did not lose so?

Well, as if Roosevelt lost (Pearl Harbor, the Philippines, rolled back to 42 year. And Cherchel in the same way generally merged continental Europe and colonies). What is the claim then? What did not escape from the throne in a difficult hour like Nicholas the Second?

[Alex_You]

But is it not the merit of the Soviet people? Or is it Stalin?

[tomket]

Quote: Alex_You

But is it not the merit of the Soviet people? Or is it Stalin?

Yes. The Soviet people, in spite of Stalin, first industrialized, then they laid down a production plan, then riveted t-34, Elah, Yaki. He made plans for mobilization, mobilized at the right time, climbed into tanks, airplanes, battered hatches, and drove to Berlin. And all this is completely spontaneous, without any leadership or organization.

[tomket]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Son of the enemy of the people, the daughter of the enemy of the people. In children Chmyryl

Personally, Stalin went all chmyril? Or is it all the initiative on the ground showed? In our and the neighboring village. The bloody dictator and the Bolsheviks, for some reason did not jump on the police gallows, along with their wives and small children. And even in the gulag they were not sent. However, local years before 90's were called, Police House. zhinka policeman, policeman children. By the way, there is also the Kulak House, and the Pansky House. There, of course, there are no fists and lords for a long time. But the name also went years before 90-x (well, almost as long as the village has not become extinct). That's interesting. What wonderful people lived there, if the village remembered and spat until it almost died out?

[raw174]

Quote: tomket

Personally, did Stalin go around chymir? Or did they show local initiative?

Well, now Putin is personally to blame for all the troubles ... That’s Stalin personally

[Altona]

Quote: svp67

did for our country than this admiral?

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And what did the "admiral" do? He drowned his people in blood without trial or investigation. A ghoul of ghouls, although an honorary geographer there or who is he there? He behaved like a colonizer, brought the invaders. By the way, the colonialists were also good geographers, cartographers and explorers, but they never stopped being ghouls.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Altona

And what did the "admiral" do? He drowned his people in blood without trial or investigation.

This is how you relate to the ideals of others, and you will receive in return. And don’t yell then, for which they spit on you. To the cause! Deserve it!

[Altona]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

This is how you relate to the ideals of others, and you will receive in return.

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You have no ideals at all, Mr. Romanov. They would be silent already. Or is a golden cockade capable of replacing the mind, and axelbants everything else?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Altona

Or is a golden cockade capable of replacing the mind, and axelbants everything else?

Of course

[tomket]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Of course

And what does VDVshnik have in Nicholas II? Or in your world, the Airborne Forces created Wrangel under Nicholas the Second?

[New Year day]

almost all WWII Marshals were St. George cavaliers, which became under Nikolai

[Tank jacket]

This is what kind of "ideals" - LGBT people, poverty, wars, stratification of society, well, go to them in London, or better in Japan - victims of the bloody regime.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Tank jacket

What are the "ideals" - LGBT, poverty, wars, stratification of society, well, go to them in London

You have a stormy fantasy. Learn to talk with people so that you are considered a person

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Altona

And what did the "admiral" do? He drowned his people in blood without trial or investigation.

This is how you relate to the ideals of others, and you will receive in return. And don’t yell then, for which they spit on you. To the cause! Deserve it!

Yeah. They spat. So they squeal like pigs.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

Yeah. They spat. So they squeal like pigs.

According to comments noticeably

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

Yeah. They spat. So they squeal like pigs.

According to comments noticeably

Well yes. The whole javropa is on the ears. With a host overseas. To cartoons mootcha already.

[svp67]

Quote: Altona

And what did the "admiral" do?

It depends on where and when. His merits in exploring our North are really great. He showed himself very well in battles at sea, in Port Arthur, in the First World War ....

[tatra]

The enemies of Stalin on the territory of the USSR have no other history of their country, except for the evil, aggressive, deceitful, hypocritical, delusional, cowardly anti-Soviet / Russophobia, there is not a single normal hero - only anti-Soviet-Russophobic.

[Observer2014]

svp67 (Sergei)

I honestly don’t understand one thing. In the same Siberia there are monuments to Kolchak, but not one. What has the IVS done less for our country than this admiral?

No, no less. It's just that we go from one extreme to another. How to unite the people? The idea was. And quite recently. The idea that rallied you and me and Alexander Romanov won .. And even people like "Cat Mogul" All were united then by "Russian World" It was only 4 years ago! But the idea did not fit the ruling elite. Here and again everything is like cats and dogs..And all why. Ideas are not generally unifying. I need a monument. .V. Stalin. Yes, I need. Do people have the right to open it? They have. Well, again this is purely my opinion. Now the opponents will catch up. And our song is good, start from the beginning.
P / S Already said. The idea of ​​the "Immortal Regiment" is good. But only for the May holidays ..

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: svp67

What has the IVS done less for our country than this admiral?

Admiral arrested members of the State Duma, however.

[svp67]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Admiral arrested members of the State Duma, however.

I definitely missed one ...

[wmp]

I didn’t act in films

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Well, there will be a squeal ... Horror.

[Detective]

Why shriek something ?! Liberals screech without stopping, and so. But I don’t see anything bad in establishing a bust. This is our story. This is not a monument to Lenin in every gateway ...

[Tank jacket]

Svanidze for Stalin received a passport I love when liberals scream

[svp67]

Quote: Tank jacket

Svanidze for Stalin received a passport

Sorry, but for the matter, firstly, do not start a fight, but if you started, then be ready for battle. And secondly, he’s lying, he’s just lying .... In 1937, according to him, his grandfather, Svanidze Nikolai Samsonovich, a party and state functionary, was beaten up for interrogation, but his family is not listed in the archival lists of those executed and repressed. then not subjected to repression.

[rammjager]

Well, as they say, with an initiative! Then it will be! I, in any case, hope! And, yes, I am a Stalinist!

[bessmertniy]

Stalin is our story, and the monuments to him are for merit, and not for his mistakes.

[Alex_You]

It is necessary for the Germans to suggest that monuments to Hitler were erected.

[Vinnibuh]

YOU do not confuse sour with fat !!!!! (I don’t want to call you after such a post)

[Tank jacket]

It is high time! How much can a person be denigrated! Stalin did not die in the past, he dissolved in the future. The only ruler in which prices in stores decreased and salaries increased. And the liberals overwhelmed all the reforms. Well, at least one reform would have been shown before him as to the moon.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Tank jacket

. The only ruler in which prices in stores decreased and salaries increased.

The stomach is one

[Tank jacket]

He took the country with a plow, and left it with an atomic bomb.
Churchill about Stalin: It is a great happiness for Russia that during the years of difficult trials the country was headed by such a genius and unshakable commander I.V. Stalin. He was the most outstanding personality, impressing our cruel time of the period in which his whole life passed.

[Altona]

Quote: Tank jacket

He took the country with a plow, and left it with an atomic bomb.

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The Yalta post-war system, which was built with the active participation of Stalin and which still partially exists, guaranteed us several decades of peace. Already for this, Stalin is worthy of honors, regardless of other things. But many people do not value the world like that and are ready to get involved in some kind of conflict because of selfish interests. If the Yalta system collapses completely, then all contracts concluded after 1944 become void.

[Tank jacket]

And you don’t eat a yogi stol?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Tank jacket

And you don’t eat a yogi stol?

Yeah, the abundance of food in stores under Stalin was simply shocking. That was all. January 1 35 year canceled food stamps. I wonder why Stalin introduced them?

[Tank jacket]

Well, or name at least one successful reform of the liberals?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Tank jacket

Well, or name at least one successful reform of the liberals?

I don’t know what about the diberals, but I go to the store and I have no problems with the products. Are you all whining

[New Year day]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I don’t know what about the diberals, but I go to the store and I have no problems with the products.

man does not live by bread alone. Seeing a monstrous injustice, he begins to think.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

but I go to the store I have no problems with the products.

And I have a problem. With money.

[wmp]

if you introduce GOST Stalin, now there will be bare shelves

[New Year day]

Quote: Tank jacket

Well, or name at least one successful reform of the liberals?

Well, Ruslan, you give!
The whole country knows them, education reform. health, retirement finally! That's just for people it’s bad, but for the authorities it’s good. They call them successful, and people call them tormented.

[Vinnibuh]

Well, they have built churches now, have people started to believe more? About Nicholas II in general cretinism: he involved in unnecessary 2 wars, ruled so ineptly that even the "upper" class betrayed him. And yes, widespread illiteracy and hunger in the Volga region. In general, kiss him on both rolls!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Vinnibuh

Well, we’ve built churches now, have people started to believe more? About Nicholas 2 general cretinism

Well, I’m saying, you spit on the ideals of others, be prepared that the answer will arrive. And mind you, this is exactly the answer

[Vinnibuh]

Okay, tell me about Nikolai’s achievements2. Note that I did not write about other monarchs. And what about the number of churches is not true? Please pay attention, I didn’t say a word about faith.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Vinnibuh

And what about the number of churches is not true? Please pay attention, I didn’t say a word about faith

I personally didn’t mean you

Quote: Vinnibuh

Okay, tell me about the achievements of Nikolai2.

Just a small part of the article, so that I would not be accused of posting the article on the site. Do not you now want this in the economy? Full article at https://www.rusempire.ru/arkhiv-statej/1891-razvitie-strany-pri-nikolae-ii.html
Under Nicholas II, the Russian financial and monetary system was created. In his reign, the ruble pressed the franc and the mark, overtook the dollar and was rapidly approaching the quotation to the pound. For the first time in Russian history, revenues exceeded expenses, and this happened without increasing the tax burden. The burden of direct taxes under Nicholas II in Russia was four times less than in France and Germany, and eight and a half times less than in England. All this led to an unprecedented flowering of Russian industry and the influx of capital from all developed countries. In the period from 1894 to 1913, young Russian industry increased its productivity four times ... During World War I, production grew even more rapidly. The length of railways during the reign of Nicholas II increased by 1574 kilometers per year (the highest indicator of communist rule by 1956 was 995 kilometers). In the 20th century, the Russian Empire entered the world’s largest and best oil producing and refining industry, and by the decree of the Tsar even in 1896 crude oil export was limited - with the goal of developing its own industry - and 94% of all oil was refined domestically. All products were famous for their high quality and low cost.

[Vinnibuh]

Good propaganda, only you forget that most of the companies belonged to foreigners. Peasants and workers (as now) on taxes were not greatly relaxed. Railway roads, you did not count how many had to be restored. Well, a cherry, are you sure that you would be at least "average", and not in the village of chickens grazed and knew how to read?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Vinnibuh

you forget that most of the companies belonged to foreigners

Who exactly?

[Vinnibuh]

Alexander, I'll throw you a link in the evening, because. I’m sitting on the phone, but it’s not very convenient from it.

[tomket]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Who exactly?

Maybe Nobels for example? Or the Rothschildam Rockefeller? (oil business in Baku). Or are you not interested in this agitation?

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Vinnibuh

And what about the number of churches is not true? Please pay attention, I didn’t say a word about faith

I personally didn’t mean you

Quote: Vinnibuh

Okay, tell me about the achievements of Nikolai2.

Just a small part of the article, so that I would not be accused of posting the article on the site. Do not you now want this in the economy? Full article at https://www.rusempire.ru/arkhiv-statej/1891-razvitie-strany-pri-nikolae-ii.html
Under Nicholas II, the Russian financial and monetary system was created. In his reign, the ruble pressed the franc and the mark, overtook the dollar and was rapidly approaching the quotation to the pound. For the first time in Russian history, revenues exceeded expenses, and this happened without increasing the tax burden. The burden of direct taxes under Nicholas II in Russia was four times less than in France and Germany, and eight and a half times less than in England. All this led to an unprecedented flowering of Russian industry and the influx of capital from all developed countries. In the period from 1894 to 1913, young Russian industry increased its productivity four times ... During World War I, production grew even more rapidly. The length of railways during the reign of Nicholas II increased by 1574 kilometers per year (the highest indicator of communist rule by 1956 was 995 kilometers). In the 20th century, the Russian Empire entered the world’s largest and best oil producing and refining industry, and by the decree of the Tsar even in 1896 crude oil export was limited - with the goal of developing its own industry - and 94% of all oil was refined domestically. All products were famous for their high quality and low cost.

What then did the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-05. Lost territories. Could this have contributed to the revolution?

[New Year day]

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

What then did the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-05.

stole, danced, it's about power. An analogy with today’s

[tomket]

Quote: Silvestr

stole, danced, it's about power. An analogy with today’s

Well, of course. Above led agitation, on which paradise came on Nikolaev Russia. The peasant ate, the official was incorruptible and hardworking, unprecedented paces around, and then you were stolen and danced. But how can you say that, there all the angels of the earth and heavenly people were in power)))) helped the Japanese to win))))

[tatra]

The outstanding Russian thinker, economist and publicist Sharapov said that after the introduction of the gold standard, foreign capital poured into us, and with such swiftness that in the shortest time Russia sold its ores and coal mines, gold mines and oil sources to foreigners.
Sharapov considered Russia’s misfortune its enormous external debt, but perhaps he considered the transfer of productive forces into the ownership of “foreign investors” even more unfortunate.
The brutal exploitation of Russia's national wealth by foreign capital began with a deliberate reduction in its economic potential.
The system of gold monometallism devalued material values ​​and productive labor, and foreigners got the opportunity to buy cheap bread, real estate, land.
To maintain the bill exchange rate, Russia was forced to constantly increase bread exports, receiving less and less money for it.
By 1917, with budget revenues of 2-3 billion rubles a year, the state debt of Russia amounted to 50 billion rubles, of which 15 billion rubles accounted for external debt.

[wmp]

what a clever

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The length of railways during the reign of Nicholas II increased by 1574 kilometers per year (the highest rate of communist rule by 1956 was 995 kilometers).

Gee-gee. On the road Nikolaev-Murmansk, under each railroad tie, the German grenadier lay.

[Saburov]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Under Nicholas II, the Russian financial and monetary system was created. In his reign, the ruble pressed the franc and the mark, overtook the dollar and was rapidly approaching the quotation to the pound.

Only now not one Western office took these gold royal rubles. In all trade financial documents, payment is made mainly in pounds sterling, francs, dollars. No IDDO will take this ruble, which no one needs in the West, convert it, while losing a percentage. And besides, from 70% to 95% of industrial production capacity in the Republic of Ingushetia, on the eve of World War I, it controlled foreign capital, to a large extent English, Belgian and French. For example, in the hands of in. joint-stock companies had 70% of coal production in the Donbass: wherever you look - solid Yuz, Cruz, Beaulieu, Harriman. Mostly Belgians and French. Approximately 90% of platinum production in Russia was in the hands of foreign companies - as was a fair share of gold mining. For the period from 1888-1908 Russia had a positive trade balance with other countries in the amount of 6,6 billion gold rubles. This amount is 1,6 times higher than the value of all Russian industrial enterprises and working capital for them. In other words, having built 2 enterprises in Russia, the West, using Russian money, built 3 enterprises at home. Moreover, all these enterprises in Russia did not belong at all. Take, for example, the book Securities of the Russian State, published in Moscow in 1995. In it, the authors provide photographs of samples of securities. Having carefully examined these photos, we see that the Russian industry was practically divided between Western states. For example, shares of enterprises, banks and railways of the Russian Empire had inscriptions in Russian, German, English and French, except for distribution addresses in St. Petersburg and Moscow, had distribution addresses in Europe and the United States. In other words, at least 2 / 3 (according to the documents of the Republic of Ingushetia owned up to 30% of each enterprise and this justified the protectionism policy of our stupid government), the Russian industries did not belong to it and did not work for the well-being of the country, but to support the growth of foreign economies.
You can see the originals of trade documents here: http://portal.rusarchives.ru/federal/rgia/nsa.shtml or here: http://statearchive.ru/383
History is taught in archives, not in monarchy tales.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

For the first time in Russian history, revenues exceeded expenses, and this happened without increasing the tax burden.

And again nonsense! Ministers I. A. Vyshnegradskiy (1887-1892) and S. Yu. Witte (1892-1903) continued Bunge's policy: the apartment tax was introduced in Russia and the wine monopoly was restored. In addition, Witte introduced gold circulation. A new stage in increasing the tax burden is associated with his activities. The minister was convinced that restraint has its limits and, as a result, could threaten "serious difficulties with the normal development of the country's economic life." Therefore, Witte advocated a consistent increase in indirect taxes: they raised the beer tax and tobacco tax by 50%, doubled the tax rates on matches, and raised the tax on real estate. For the first time this principle was applied in commercial taxation. Now the payment for the right to trade and crafts turned into a property tax, which depended on the category of the enterprise. It is worth saying that the entrepreneurs responded to Witte with "triple bookkeeping" and withholding profits. Well, followed at the beginning of the twentieth century. aggravation of the international situation, the Russo-Japanese war, the first Russian revolution and, finally, the First World War, in general put an end to all "undertakings" in the tax sphere.
(Tax inspection in Russia (1885-1910 gg.). St. Petersburg, 1910. Department of salary fees. 1863-1913. St. Petersburg, 1913. The main foundations of the reform of state and local taxation of industry and trade. St. Petersburg, 1909.)
By the way, the biggest state income was the "Wine Monopoly" or "Drunken" budget.

History is taught in archives, not in monarchy tales.

[Saburov]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

All this led to an unprecedented flowering of Russian industry and the influx of capital from all developed countries. In the period from 1894 to 1913, young Russian industry increased its productivity four times ... During World War I, production grew even more rapidly.

I have never heard such nonsense in my life! The economic crisis 1899 – 1903 interrupted Russia's already weak economic growth, closed 3 thousand factories and plants, increased the concentration of production, promoted the formation of large syndicates (Prodamet, Prodparovoz, Prodvagon), strengthened the position of foreign capital (mainly French). From 70% to 95% of industrial production capacity in the Republic of Ingushetia, on the eve of the First World War, it controlled foreign capital, largely English, Belgian and French.
First of all, Russia even lagged behind the USA, England, Germany and France in industrial production volumes. Its share in the total industrial production of the five above-mentioned powers was only 4,2%. In global production in 1913, Russia's share was 1,72%. An undoubted fact is the slowdown in Russia's industrial growth on the eve of World War I compared with the end of the 19th century. In 1901 — 1903 there was a drop in production. But even in 1905 — 1914. the rate of increase in industrial production was several times lower than in the 1890-ies. Slowdown of industrial growth at the beginning of XX century. it did not mean that there was no demand for industrial products, but a significant part of this demand was covered by imports. As the English economist M. Miller pointed out, throughout this period there was a rapid increase in imports of machinery and equipment from Germany, and therefore only for the period from 1902 to 1906. on 1913, imports from Germany grew 2 times. At the same time, even in the development of basic industries, Russia lagged significantly behind the leading European countries. For example, metal production in Russia in 1912 was 28 kg per person, and in Germany - 156 kg, that is, 5,5 times more. As for the more complex and knowledge-intensive industries, the lag there was much greater. As pointed out by N. Rozhkov, his industrial engineering and production of means of production (machine tools and equipment) in Russia at the beginning of the 20th century. actually did not exist. The shipbuilding industry was poorly developed: about 50% of all ships were bought abroad and there was the practice of purchasing a lead ship abroad and the subsequent licensed construction of a series on it in their shipyards and also Russian and German destroyers, cruisers and battleships, and British turbines gyrocompass and rangefinders .. New industries - auto and aircraft manufacturing - only began to develop shortly before the First World War, but here Russia has lagged significantly behind the leading Western countries. So, during the First World War, Russia produced 4 times fewer aircraft than Germany, France or England. In addition, 90% of Russian aircraft were equipped with imported engines, while the engine was the most high-tech structural element, and its price was more than 50% of the cost of the aircraft. And this despite the fact that in Russia military spending in 1908-1913gg. accounted for 32 - 33% of the total state budget.

(References: S. A. Korolenko, “Civilian labor in owner-owned farms and the movement of workers in connection with the statistical and economic survey of European Russia in agricultural and industrial relations.” - St. Petersburg: V. Kirshbaum's printing house, 1892 year. Russie a la fin du 19e siecle, sous dir.de M.Kowalevsky. Paris, 1900, pp. 687, 691. Portal R. The Industrialization of Russia. Cambridge Economic History of Europe, Cambridge, 1965, Volume VI, Part 2. Bairoch P. European Trade Policy, 1815 — 1914. Cambridge Economic History of Europe, Cambridge, 1989, Volume VIII, pp. 42-46. B. Mitchell. Statistical Appendix, 1700 — 1914. Fontana Economic History of Europe, ed. By C. Cipolla, Glasgow, 1974 — 1976, Vol. 4, part 2, p. 773. Theistic Yearbooks of Russia ”(edited by the Director of the Central Statistical Committee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs NN Belyavsky) for 1908-1913 Prokopovich S. N. National income in Western European countries. - M., 1922. World Statistics Yearbooks S. Zapa“ Social- political tables of all countries of the world "publishing house" Cooperation "Moscow. So, 1908-1913 years. National Encyclopedia of Scientific and Applied Knowledge. Volume XII. Political Economy. - M., 1911. - with. 260-261, 278-279. I can continue the list ...)

[Saburov]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The length of railways during the reign of Nicholas II increased by 1574 kilometers per year (the highest indicator of communist rule by 1956 was 995

And again a finger in a puddle!
In 1890, the total length of railways in Russia was 24041 versts (Russia 1913. Section - transport, 1. Railways; table 2) 3). In the future, from the 90's. 19 century in Russia, the active construction of railways. This was done both by the state and commercial structures. Particularly high pace has been going on since 1890 of the year. In many ways, this is an indisputable merit of Sergei Yulievich Witte, who has done a lot in this area. From the "Report of the Council of Congresses of Industry and Trade on the fundamental improvement of the work of railway and water transport, highway roads in connection with the increased requirements of the national economy of Russia. 9 May 1913 g. "

“In 1904, the total network reached 55 614 versts, having increased over the five-year period by 9 052 versts, of which in European Russia -NUMX 7 versts and in Asian Russia - 144 1 versts. In 908, the network amounted to 1909 62 versts (excluding Sino-Eastern railway - 422 1 versts), having increased by 617 5 versts over 6 years, of which in European Russia - 808 4 versts, and in Asian Russia - 882 1 versts . By 926, the general railway network in 1910 62 versts was disintegrating: into the treasury network in European Russia - 422 32 versts and in Asian Russia (including the Ussuri railway) -373 10 versts; total state railways 129 42 versts. Private railways in European Russia - 502 17 versts and public access roads for private companies - 805 2 versts or all private - 115 19 versts.
Total network of Russian railways over 30 years increased by 41 691 versts, of which in European Russia on 31 562 versts and in Asian - 10 129 versts. Consequently, the network grew annually on average at 1 390 versts. The greatest number increased during the five-year period of 1895-1899 - at 13 755 versts, or at 2 751 versts per year. Then, during the five-year period of 1900-1904, the network increased by 9 052 versts or by 1 810 versts per year. The rest of the five years provided network growth at 5000-5500 versts or at 1000 versts on average per year. ”

By 1913, the total length of railways in the Republic of Ingushetia was 68370 versts (of which double gauge, only 16 889 versts), this number also included 2494 versts of private local railways. (Russia 1913; Transport; 1. Railways Table 3) 7). This is the length of roads both of general use and local importance. Translated into kilometers (68370 multiplied by 1,06679) it turns out about 72 936 km.

In the USSR, by the 1960 year, the length of public railways, according to the statistical yearbook “The National Economy of the USSR in the 1960 Year”, amounted to 125 thousand km (Section: RAILWAY TRANSPORT. Table: OPERATING LENGTH OF RAILWAYS OF THE MINISTRY OF WAYS FOR THE END OF THE MESSAGE ; thousand kilometers) p. 353
However, this number does not include local roads. On the same page, under the above table, there is an entry: “In addition to the indicated operational length of the public railways of the Ministry of Railways, there are railway access roads to industrial enterprises and organizations; the length of these non-public routes was at the beginning of 1961, 102,4 thousand km. ”All these are local railways, which also played a crucial role in communications. And of course, they also had to be built.

Total, the total length of railway in the USSR was 227,8 thousand km. The difference with the 1913 year is 155 thousand km. Divide 155 by 40 (roughly from 1920 to 1960) and get an average of 3,8 thousand km. in year. Even such rough and primitive calculations give an idea of ​​the pace and scale of the construction of railways at that time. This despite the fact that the country suffered such terrible disasters as the civil war from the First World War and the Second World War.

History is taught in archives, not in monarchy tales.

[Saburov]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

In the 20th century, the Russian Empire entered the world’s largest and best oil producing and refining industry, and by the decree of the Tsar even in 1896 crude oil export was limited - with the aim of developing its own industry - and 94% of all oil was processed domestically. All products were famous for their high quality and low cost.

Everything! Put out the light!

Oh please! Read at least one real trade document, not tales from monarchist sites ...

Oil production in Russia began in 1820 from a well on the Absheron Peninsula in the city of Baku, which in 1803 became a part of the Russian Empire. In 1820, oil production was declared a state monopoly, and such a system lasted 40 years. After it was canceled, the first industrial oil from the well was produced in Baku in 1870. After the abolition of the state monopoly, capital took 10 years to come to the fields and begin to develop them. In 1880, oil production in Russia amounted to 1 million oil, which at that time amounted to 10% of world production. And Russia began to threaten the United States, which in the 19th century was an absolute monopolist in oil production, and the Rockefellers and the Morgans made their fortunes in the monopoly position of the United States. In 1895, Russia already controls 45% of the world market, production amounted to 6,5 million tons.
At the end of the 19th century, the Russian Empire had 320 oil companies, most of the oil industry was financed with British capital, 40% of the capital in the industry was of British origin, as Britain was looking for alternatives to American oil. Then there were three large companies: the first is the company of the Nobel brothers, one of the brothers later established the Nobel Prize, and this company controlled 14% of the market at that time. The Nobel brothers company was known for its technical innovations. The company of Nobel brothers built the first oil pipeline in the Russian Empire from Baku to the port of Batum, and thus organized large-scale oil exports outside the Russian Empire. They built the first Russian tanker in 1877 to transport oil from Baku. The second major Russian company was Shell. When the Paris Rothschild Bank founded the Caspian Oil Company in 1892, it was bought several years later by Shell, an oil trading company, which thus entered oil production in Baku at the end of the 19th century. And Royal Dutch Shell controlled at the beginning of the 20th century 16% of the Russian market. Another major company was the All-Russian Oil Company, which, however, 35% owned British capital. She gave 22% of oil production in Russia in the 1914 year.

Source: History of the Russian oil industry, A. Koksharov, Lectures on the Russian oil industry, Problems of the organization of oil production in pre-revolutionary Russia L. Shepelev. Scientific reports. Sheveleva A.V. The history and current status of vertically integrated oil companies in Russia.

History is taught in archives, not in monarchy tales.

[Tank jacket]

Thanks to the bloody Nicholas II, we plunged into the First World War and, as a continuation, into the Second World War.

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Tank jacket

. The only ruler in which prices in stores decreased and salaries increased.

The stomach is one

Liberals in the 90s and left the stomach. True vodka really heaps.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

True vodka really was heaps.

Who made you drink?

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

True vodka really was heaps.

Who made you drink?

I didn’t drink. Do not worry.

[Same lech]

And the liberals overwhelmed all the reforms. Well, at least one reform would have been shown before him as to the moon.

These will show ... another reform is coming for our stomachs ...

The Izvestia newspaper earlier reported that the proposal of the expert council under the government of the Russian Federation to introduce a tax on processed products of red meat was supported by the Ministry of Health, the cost of sausages could rise by almost 30%.

RIA Novosti https://ria.ru/society/20181119/1533056804.html

What is it like ...

[Proton]

This is probably the first monument to Stalin from Khrushchev’s time.

[gunnerminer]

From the rearrangement of monuments, the defense potential does not increase.

[New Year day]

Quote: gunnerminer

From the rearrangement of monuments, the defense potential does not increase.

Please note, this is not a permutation, but an installation.
Yesterday in Maly I watched "Woe From Wit" with Solomin and Kayurov. As soon as we remember Griboyedov, everything that was said then is relevant now.
"Where? Show us, fatherland fathers,
Which ones should we take for samples?
Are not these people robbery rich?
Protection from court in friends found, in kinship,
Magnificent building chambers,
Where they are poured into feasting and drunkenness,
And where do not resurrect customers-foreigners
Passed through the life of the infamous features.
And who in Moscow was not clamped with mouths
Lunches, dinners and dancing? "
I was amazed at the number of students - a lot. After the performance I asked, I liked it. So there is hope.

[gunnerminer]

After the monument to Stalin, a monument to Khrushchev will be erected.

[New Year day]

Quote: gunnerminer

After the monument to Stalin, a monument to Khrushchev will be erected.

long standing

Monuments to N.S. Khrushchev installed in the Krasnodar Territory. Tired of the ongoing disputes surrounding the installation of monuments to Stalin in various regions of the country, the authorities of the Gulkevichsky district of the Krasnodar Territory - in spite of the fans of the “father of the peoples” - decided to erect a monument to Nikita Khrushchev. In 2005, a column was erected near the building of the regional Association of Corn Seed Producers, on top of which a bust of the author of the “thaw” was installed. The inscription on the column reads: "The Great Ascetic of Corn Cases."
In the city of Kursk avenue was named after Khrushchev.
In the capital of the Republic of Ingushetia, the city of Magas, a street is named after Khrushchev.
In the capital of the Chechen Republic - the city of Grozny in 1991-1995 and 1996-2000, the area was named after Khrushchev (now - the "Minute" area). In 2000, the former Ordzhonikidze Square was named after him.
September 11, 2009 in the village of Kalinovka a monument was erected by the sculptor Nikolai Tomsky
http://library.brown.edu/exhibits/archive/khrushchev/k2.html
http://www.snob.ru/selected/entry/37179
http://www.newizv.ru/society/2005-05-24/24776-ot-blagodarnyh-detej-kukuruzy.html
http://www.rg.ru/2009/09/17/reg-roscentr/hruschev.html
http://www.rg.ru/2009/09/17/reg-roscentr/hruschev.html

[tatra]

Well, if only the enemies of the communists will erect a monument to the next evil and deceitful "destalinizer".

[rammjager]

Quote: gunnerminer

From the rearrangement of monuments, the defense potential does not increase.

Uh, don’t tell! You may not.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: rammjager

Uh, don’t tell! You may not.

But how, planes will become faster or more powerful tanks

[rammjager]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: rammjager

Uh, don’t tell! You may not.

But how, planes will become faster or more powerful tanks

Yours Sasha, neither tanks, nor planes will become more powerful! Have you ever heard anything about morale? And this, believe me (and not only me), a thing not comparable to either tanks or planes! In general, nothing!

[Tank jacket]

The USSR and the missile tanks had better the army, which knew the joy of victory, if Gaidar Chubais and others hadn’t grown in the 70s liberals ... Khrushchev’s thaw mold. I wanted to pass the chairs with the briefcases to the children, but to try the bare ass and perversions, that’s the essence of the Khrushchev’s elite.
In general, defense potential did not help win the Cold War 1.0

[New Year day]

Quote: Tank jacket

Khrushchev thaw mold.

in today's language, this is his PR company. Mao said well about this

[gunnerminer]

Manipulations with monuments contribute to the release of an accumulated social pair. For a while.

[kalibr]

As soon as Lenin died, it turned out that the second person in the party, Comrade Trotsky, was a traitor. Kamenev, Zinoviev, Bukharin and Stalin overthrew Trotsky and expelled from the USSR.

But after a couple of years it turned out that Kamenev, Zinoviev and Bukharin are also enemies and pests. Then the valiant comrade Heinrich Yagoda shot them.

A little later, Yezhov shot Yagoda as an enemy agent. But after a couple of years it turned out that Yezhov was not a comrade, but an ordinary traitor and an enemy agent. And Yezhov shot Beria

After the death of Stalin, everyone realized that Beria was also a traitor. Then Zhukov overthrew and shot Beria.

But soon Khrushchev learned that Zhukov was an enemy and a conspirator. And he sent Zhukov to the Urals.

And a little later it was revealed that Stalin was an enemy, a pest and a traitor. And with it, and most of the Politburo. Then Stalin was taken out of the mausoleum, and the political bureau and Shepilov, who joined them, were dispersed by honest party members led by Khrushchev

Several years passed and it turned out that Khrushchev was a voluntarist, a rogue, an adventurer and an enemy. Then Brezhnev sent Khrushchev to retire.

Soon Brezhnev died, and it turned out that he was a senile, a pest and a cause of stagnation

Then there were two more senility, which no one had time to remember, because they died like flies.

But then a young, energetic Gorbachev came to power. And it turned out that the whole party was a party of pests and enemies, but now he’ll fix everything right now.

It was then that the USSR collapsed. And Gorbachev turned out to be an enemy and a traitor.

[Gray brother]

The authors of the graffiti of Alexander Solzhenitsyn, who appeared on the facade of the five-story building, did not coordinate their initiative with either the residents of the house or the authorities. As a result, instead of approving reviews (they would try to draw such a thing on my house), a scandal erupted.
The regional Ministry of Internal Affairs reported that an audit is being conducted on the appearance of unauthorized graffiti. What will happen to the portrait is still unknown. As explained in the district administration, most likely the public utilities will have to paint over it - with subsequent reimbursement of expenses from the pocket of street artists.

[Alex Justice]

Also make them paint the wall.

[Altona]

The installation of the monument to Stalin may entail an insult to the feelings and dignity of a part of the inhabitants of Novosibirsk. The fact is that Stalin’s figure is ambiguous and causes polar assessments by the public.
------------------------
The stupidest formulation you can think of. All polls show almost 70% recognition by society of the personality of the Generalissimo and his enormous contribution to the formation of the modern world order. Moreover, the "part of residents" whose feelings will "offend" are not indicated. Novosibirsk was a mighty industrial and scientific city, which, like other cities, "some of the inhabitants" crushed to please their narrowly selfish interests, like the rest of the country. And this "public" should be driven out altogether. In France, in Paris, there is Place de la Bataille-de-Stalingrad and this does not offend anyone. In 1993, the official name "Stalingrad Battle Square" was established.

[New Year day]

Quote: Altona

The dumbest wording you can think of. All polls show almost 70% public recognition of the individual

these are excuses for those who want to continue the ball. After such dances, you can lose the country.
“From the very first moment of our meeting, Stalin made a strong impression on me: A man of extraordinary proportions. His sober, almost dry, but so clear-cut manner of expression and firm, but at the same time generous style of negotiating showed that he bears his name rightfully. The course of my negotiations and conversations with Stalin gave me a clear idea of ​​the strength and power of this man, whose one wave of his hand became an order for the most remote village, lost somewhere in the vast expanses of Russia, - the man who managed to rally the two hundred millionth population of his empire stronger than any king before ”. Ribbentrop
This unity is afraid of power, true unity, and not November 4

[New Year day]

Quote: Altona

The installation of a monument to Stalin may lead to an insult to the feelings and dignity of some of the inhabitants of Novosibirsk

and my installation of monuments to Yeltsin causes a gag reflex. You go along the Nevsky-YELTSIN-CENTER. I want to spit. but you go by, don’t.

[Free man]

At last! Hooray, comrades!

[New Year day]

At last! Justice must triumph.

they say that Hitler said that. I do not know. But, the fact that this is precisely said, I agree.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Silvestr

they say that Hitler said that.

Yeah, Stirlitz personally said this when he celebrated with him in a vest and budenovka on May 1 ...

[New Year day]

Quote: Puncher

Yeah, Stirlitz personally said this when he celebrated with him in a vest and budenovka on May 1 ...

want to say that Hitler’s writings have not survived to this day?
In fact, are there any objections?

[Henderson]

but there is no essence of what has been said. Another attempt to make an icon out of someone, the funny thing is that they took Hitler for an authoritative speaker (let him never say such a thing). They survived what is called.

[New Year day]

Quote: Henderson

Another attempt to make an icon out of someone

But was not Stalin an icon at that time? My parents say that.
Whether Hitler spoke or didn’t tell me, I was on the drum. It is important that such a person is in demand in our years, because this ball masquerade will not bring to good.

Quote: Henderson

They survived what is called.

Yeah, I agree.

[Henderson]

Quote: Silvestr

But was not Stalin an icon at that time?

It was. And this led to hidden conflicts within the USSR itself. Which just waited in the wings and broke out with a new one in the late 80s, greatly accelerating its decay.
And to learn history is always useful, it goes in a spiral. But to bring Hitler as an authority is already too much.

[New Year day]

Quote: Henderson

But to bring Hitler as an authority is already too much.

you obviously didn’t pay attention to my footnote under the photo

Quote: Henderson

It was. And this led to hidden conflicts within the USSR itself. Which just waited in the wings and broke out with a new one in the late 80s, greatly accelerating its decay.

It turns out that he is to blame for everything, and after him there was nobody?

[Henderson]

He is the instigator of many contemporary problems. But this does not mean, of course, that after all everyone was good and smart.

[kalibr]

As soon as Lenin died, it turned out that the second person in the party, Comrade Trotsky, was a traitor. Kamenev, Zinoviev, Bukharin and Stalin overthrew Trotsky and expelled from the USSR.

But after a couple of years it turned out that Kamenev, Zinoviev and Bukharin are also enemies and pests. Then the valiant comrade Heinrich Yagoda shot them.

A little later, Yezhov shot Yagoda as an enemy agent. But after a couple of years it turned out that Yezhov was not a comrade, but an ordinary traitor and an enemy agent. And Yezhov shot Beria

After the death of Stalin, everyone realized that Beria was also a traitor. Then Zhukov overthrew and shot Beria.

But soon Khrushchev learned that Zhukov was an enemy and a conspirator. And he sent Zhukov to the Urals.

And a little later it was revealed that Stalin was an enemy, a pest and a traitor. And with it, and most of the Politburo. Then Stalin was taken out of the mausoleum, and the political bureau and Shepilov, who joined them, were dispersed by honest party members led by Khrushchev

Several years passed and it turned out that Khrushchev was a voluntarist, a rogue, an adventurer and an enemy. Then Brezhnev sent Khrushchev to retire.

Soon Brezhnev died, and it turned out that he was a senile, a pest and a cause of stagnation

Then there were two more senility, which no one had time to remember, because they died like flies.

But then a young, energetic Gorbachev came to power. And it turned out that the whole party was a party of pests and enemies, but now he’ll fix everything right now.

It was then that the USSR collapsed. And Gorbachev turned out to be an enemy and a traitor.

[Nehist]

Does the employee read the study guide ?!

[kalibr]

And something, is something wrong?

[BAI]

The erection of a monument to Stalin may lead to an insult to the feelings and dignity of some of the inhabitants of Novosibirsk.

We have the installation of monuments to the White Guards, the renaming of various objects all the time causes an insult to the feelings of citizens and nothing.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: BAI

causes an insult to the feelings of citizens

Yes, drum everyone. If the Bolsheviks with their hatred did not rush to erect monuments to others, no one would say a word to you

[Ham]

the fact that there is still no monument to the greatest leader of our state, equal to Peter the Great and Mother Catherine, is the greatest shame! We will not cleanse ourselves of the Western liberal filth if we ourselves succumb to their "humanistic" wiring! the more they are still humanists ...

[depressant]

Chukotka The day after the death of Stalin. Officers and their wives were gathered at the headquarters of the unit. On their knees they took an oath of allegiance to Joseph Vissarionovich. My parents were there. They stayed true. Stalin built the Midday World, not the Predatory Things of the Century. Glory to the Great Stalin! Glory!

[Ham]

you can read the diaries of Academician Korolev (the very one whom the "tyrant" repressed) - after Stalin's death he was on the verge of suicide for several days from sincere grief and grief!
and how he wrote about what grief and what a great man died

[Servisinzhener]

Your statements are not true to say the least.

[Ham]

Quote: Servisinzhener

Your statements are not true to say the least.

what exactly?

[Servisinzhener]

There are a fair amount of monuments to Stalin in the country, there is even a corresponding wiki article.

[NordUral]

John! He had no equal at all in history.

[New Year day]

Quote: NordUral

John! He had no equal at all in history

“It was great happiness for Russia that during the years of difficult trials, the country was headed by the genius and unshakable commander Stalin. He was the most outstanding person who impressed our volatile and cruel time of the period in which his whole life passed.

Stalin was a man of extraordinary energy and unbending willpower, sharp, cruel, merciless in conversation, which even I, raised here in the British Parliament, could not oppose. Stalin, above all, had a great sense of humor and sarcasm and the ability to accurately perceive thoughts. This power was so great in Stalin that it seemed unique among the leaders of states of all times and peoples.

Stalin made the greatest impression on us. He had a deep, devoid of any panic, logically meaningful wisdom. He was an invincible master at difficult moments of finding ways out of the most hopeless situation. In addition, at the most critical moments, as well as at the moments of celebration, Stalin was equally restrained and never succumbed to illusions. He was an unusually complex personality. He created and subjugated a huge empire. This was a man who was destroying his enemy by his own enemy. Stalin was the greatest, unparalleled in the world, dictator who took Russia with a plow and left it with atomic weapons.

Well, history, people don’t forget such people ”

Cherch ll U. Speech in the House of Commons on December 21, 1959, on the day of the 80th anniversary of Stalin.

[tatra]

This is the attitude to their country and people. The Romanovs had Peter the Great and Catherine the Great, the Soviet communists and their supporters Lenin and Stalin, and the enemies of the communists in the USSR had one monarch, and only because he was the last, and because they shot him, from whom the enemies of the Communists took the country in 1991, the enemy of Russia and the Russian people - Yeltsin, collaborators of the Civil and Great Patriotic War, collaborators with the invaders of their homeland, invaders and Nazis, pathological liar and slanderer Solzhenitsyn, a citizen of Austria-Hungary and Poland Bandera.

[rotmistr60]

Each historical figure who has contributed to the development and strengthening of the country's defense is worthy of a monument (not a bust). This Nikita developed a rapid activity to discredit I.V. Stalin in order to cover up his sins during the period of repression.

[Halado Romane]

One way or another, Victory is associated with Stalin. I do not see problems in the bust.

[Reserve buildbat]

Polar views. The people are for the installation of at least a bust, or better a monument in full growth and not "on private territory", but against, as you might guess, those whom Stalin justly, albeit too mildly rotting in the camps. True, in our country the entire government belongs to the second category.

[Detective]

You know, Ivan (Stroybat reserve), I wrote that I do not see problems in the bust of Stalin. Indeed, his activities are evaluated in different ways, but the figure in our history, as you look, was outstanding. The history of their country must be known and, of course, the Communists can gather in some place and bow to the person whom they consider to be brilliant! I do not belong to his fans at all. The main thing for me is that there should be peace inside Russia. To Russian people finally reconciled. Real Russian people, patriots of their country, albeit with different views. However, there is a problem, and it is just in people like you! In the Stalinist camps there was someone to sit on business. The only thing is that no less than those who got there were completely innocent! Don't you care ?! This was recognized in Soviet times! You do not respect the memory of these people ?! Do not respect the relatives who honor the memory of the innocent victims ?! When the vile film Matilda came out, I told the rejoicing Bolsheviks (fortunately not everyone was happy) that you will very quickly get the same thing ?! We got - a nasty comedy about Stalin and a film about party workers who are fattening in besieged Leningrad! Fine?! Do you like it that way ?! The fact is that one must respect his own history and the memory of his ancestors and the feelings of his contemporaries - compatriots, so that they do not remember becoming any more of a kind of livery!

[rammjager]

Quote: Detective

You know, Ivan (Stroybat reserve), I wrote that I do not see problems in the bust of Stalin. Indeed, his activities are evaluated in different ways, but the figure in our history, as you look, was outstanding. The history of their country must be known and, of course, the Communists can gather in some place and bow to the person whom they consider to be brilliant! I do not belong to his fans at all. The main thing for me is that there should be peace inside Russia. To Russian people finally reconciled. Real Russian people, patriots of their country, albeit with different views. However, there is a problem, and it is just in people like you! In the Stalinist camps there was someone to sit on business. The only thing is that no less than those who got there were completely innocent! Don't you care ?! This was recognized in Soviet times! You do not respect the memory of these people ?! Do not respect the relatives who honor the memory of the innocent victims ?! When the vile film Matilda came out, I told the rejoicing Bolsheviks (fortunately not everyone was happy) that you will very quickly get the same thing ?! We got - a nasty comedy about Stalin and a film about party workers who are fattening in besieged Leningrad! Fine?! Do you like it that way ?! The fact is that one must respect his own history and the memory of his ancestors and the feelings of his contemporaries - compatriots, so that they do not remember becoming any more of a kind of livery!

You know, Igor, I can’t understand your position. It seems that you are writing sound thoughts (unlike Romanov), but there’s some kind of sediment left. Therefore, I’m putting you minuses, as a rule

[Detective]

Vyacheslav, I am a Russian person and that’s it. I will never accept a communist ideology. But this does not mean at all that I should consider the Communists my enemies by the fact that they are Communists. Russia will never defeat external enemies. Russia can be destroyed only from the inside. They are trying to make us shoot at each other. I was in such a situation in Moscow in 1993 and for the rest of my life I remembered that feeling. I do not want a repetition of this and naturally I will do everything in my power to prevent this. Here is my position.

[Detective]

I can add the only thing that you will not understand me. most of you people who do not accept communist ideology are instantly recorded as liberals. I come across this everywhere. This is a flawed position. Liberalism, at least in the form in which we observe it, is Russia's worst enemy. I am a conservative. You can consider me a monarchist.

[Detective]

Vyacheslav, with all due respect, I don’t need to tell about the war. I know that this is no worse if not better than you. Unfortunately of course. I seem to have written that I am just against the internal conflict in Russia.

[rammjager]

Quote: Detective

Vyacheslav, with all due respect, I don’t need to tell about the war. I know that this is no worse if not better than you. Unfortunately of course. I seem to have written that I am just against the internal conflict in Russia.

Igor, the question is a provocation! In the case of a batch, which side will you take?

[Detective]

And what are the sides of the batch and for what purposes?

[rammjager]

Quote: Detective

And what are the sides of the batch and for what purposes?

Well, you, as a boy? You all understand perfectly!

[Detective]

Of course not. What should I understand ?! Just do not have to operate with such concepts as people. I am also a people and I dare to assure you a lot. Vyacheslav, they asked a provocative question and were shy ... Speak - who, with whom, when, for what! You can heroically hide appearances and addresses! And so we'll figure it out.

[tatra]

In the territory of the USSR, all 100 years after the October Revolution, only two people live, regardless of nationalities, radically different both in work and mentality, intellect, priorities, attitude to their country and people, their history, adequacy, rationality - Soviet and your anti-Soviet, who has been raving against the Communists and their supporters for all these 100 years, but he himself hasn’t done anything useful for the country and people, but he hasn’t even proposed that he proved that he is against the BEST for his country and people.

[Detective]

Are you contacting me? Well, you see - I am about reconciliation, but you about what is Soviet and anti-Soviet, and of course stigmatize! Have you heard about the Russian people? About the very people who created this great country without any Marx and Lenin. I've been working since 17 years. From the age of 18, as I put on epaulettes, I still don’t take off. And you call me an anti-Soviet. I am Russian and from the Russian people. And I do not like and will never like it when they spit in my story! Your country's history began in 1917, and the history of my country is millennia! That is the difference between us. And the fact is that I’m talking calmly with you, and you instantly turn to insults.

[tatra]

There is NO need for hypocrisy, Igor, firstly, you, the enemies of the communists, have proven yourself that you don't care about pre-revolutionary Russian history and culture. Secondly, there is no need for the crown enemies of the communists "and here I am, me, with me."
Thirdly, you, like all the enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR, including the Russians, only for everything worse for your country and people in comparison with the Soviet - for the pre-revolutionary and your post-Soviet, in which you, the "Russian" enemies of the communists, have proved that in particular, what do you care about the fact that Russia in EVERYTHING has degraded in comparison with the Soviet period, starting with morality and ethics, on the enormous demographic damage that you inflicted on the Russian / Russian, on the supermortality of the Russian / Russian people after you captured Russia in more than 14 million people.

[Detective]

Everything that you have written is not possible to comment.

Quote: tatra

you, the "Russian" enemies of the communists, have proved, in particular, that you don’t care about the fact that Russia in EVERYTHING has degraded in comparison with the Soviet period, starting with morality and ethics, to enormous demographic damage

But you'd better be silent about this! It’s hard to imagine such damage to the Russian people both in demography and morality, as your predecessors did.

[Andrey VOV]

Does the presence or absence of shoulder straps speak of some kind of special "Russianness"?

[Detective]

Well, they accused me of not bringing any benefit to the state and, in general, people like me do nothing. So I explained. In general, comrades, if you read above what I wrote, you will see that I have no objections to the bust of your leader and, in fact, I spoke of reconciliation between the Russian people no matter what views they hold. What did you get in response ?! Well, re-read your comments again - insults, accusations, cons ... Answer yourself - who actually contributes to confrontation within the country? I will answer you myself - YOU! Romanov told you above - you will not respect other people and their position will receive an appropriate attitude! Don't give a damn about you? They added up to a certain percentage in the elections. Supplement to statistical error. But your business.

[Reserve buildbat]

That's for sure, in the garden of elder, and in Kiev, uncle
Igor, I somehow did not understand your idea. The fact is that one must respect one's history and the memory of one's ancestors and the feelings of contemporaries - compatriots, so that those who do not remember kinship do not turn into Ivashka! "- this means that the fight center and monuments to all drunks and traitors must be erected, and the monument Great man - no, no?
Much has been said about the "innocent" before. Look, Khrushchev even recorded Vlasov and Bandera in the innocent. I'm not even talking about the resettled peoples.
What does it have to do with some kind of Matilda and "comedy" about "fattening" in besieged Leningrad? Both are mud. Trash, unworthy not only of a film adaptation, but even a mention in a decent society. "Authors" - for correctional labor, films - in the furnace. Ministry of Culture - to the Kolyma
These are the products of the very category of "citizens" whom Stalin, unfortunately, did not punish severely enough.

[rammjager]

Quote: stock buildbat

That's for sure, in the garden of elder, and in Kiev, uncle
Igor, I somehow did not understand your idea. The fact is that one must respect one's history and the memory of one's ancestors and the feelings of contemporaries - compatriots, so that those who do not remember kinship do not turn into Ivashka! "- this means that the fight center and monuments to all drunks and traitors must be erected, and the monument Great man - no, no?
Much has been said about the "innocent" before. Look, Khrushchev even recorded Vlasov and Bandera in the innocent. I'm not even talking about the resettled peoples.
What does it have to do with some kind of Matilda and "comedy" about "fattening" in besieged Leningrad? Both are mud. Trash, unworthy not only of a film adaptation, but even a mention in a decent society. "Authors" - for correctional labor, films - in the furnace. Ministry of Culture - to the Kolyma
These are the products of the very category of "citizens" whom Stalin, unfortunately, did not punish severely enough.

I completely agree with the swamis, the namesake. And, I begrud (IMHO) the country must be saved, it’s not too late.

[rammjager]

Quote: rammjager

Quote: stock buildbat

That's for sure, in the garden of elder, and in Kiev, uncle
Igor, I somehow did not understand your idea. The fact is that one must respect one's history and the memory of one's ancestors and the feelings of contemporaries - compatriots, so that those who do not remember kinship do not turn into Ivashka! "- this means that the fight center and monuments to all drunks and traitors must be erected, and the monument Great man - no, no?
Much has been said about the "innocent" before. Look, Khrushchev even recorded Vlasov and Bandera in the innocent. I'm not even talking about the resettled peoples.
What does it have to do with some kind of Matilda and "comedy" about "fattening" in besieged Leningrad? Both are mud. Trash, unworthy not only of a film adaptation, but even a mention in a decent society. "Authors" - for correctional labor, films - in the furnace. Ministry of Culture - to the Kolyma
These are the products of the very category of "citizens" whom Stalin, unfortunately, did not punish severely enough.

I completely agree with the swamis, the namesake. And, I begrud (IMHO) the country must be saved, it’s not too late.

Damn “add”! Beah with this keyboard :)

[Detective]

Well, Khrushchev if the Communist of the Communists does not fail me in such a way that in your ranks you yourself can figure it out okay? Yeltsin center from the same opera. Otherwise, you unfortunately did not understand what I was talking about.

[tatra]

Well, so are Khrushchev and Gorbachev and Yeltsin from your "destalinizers", why do the enemies of the communists always betray not only those who believe you, but also each other?
On the territory of the USSR, indeed, as the communists said, a community of Soviet people was created according to beliefs in relation to their country, its history, its great people and real heroes.
And the enemies of the Communists are each only for themselves, so you are not a priori able to create a normal State, System, economy, ideology FOR

[Detective]

Oh how ?! So the Communists Khrushchev, Gorbachev and Yeltsin are mine ?! Excuse me, but Trotsky, Kamenev, Zinoviev, Bukharin, Rykov, Yezhov, Beria and other mehlis are also mine ?! Please tell me what a squiggle !!!!! And what relation do all your Bolsheviks-Communists have to me as a monarchist ?! You’ve been trying to find out among you all your life who once again there is a traitor to the newly created (wow manners !!!!) people, and it’s my fault ?! Well, I do not. I do not want to have anything to do with your internal party disassembly. So far, of course, this does not begin to threaten my country of Russia and my Russian people!

[tatra]

Well, of course . If people from the end of the 80s, together with all of you, enemies of the Communists, rave against the Communists, slander those, praise the enemies of the Communists, justify all their crimes, whose are they? Of course, yours, anti-Soviet. Ha, and what, you, enemies of the Communists, have stomped 27 years to vote for the members of the CPSU Yeltsin, Putin, Medvedev, Yavlinsky, Prokhorov, as for the Communists?

[rammjager]

Quote: tatra

Well, of course . If people from the end of the 80s, together with all of you, enemies of the Communists, rave against the Communists, slander those, praise the enemies of the Communists, justify all their crimes, whose are they? Of course, yours, anti-Soviet. Ha, and what, you, enemies of the Communists, have stomped 27 years to vote for the members of the CPSU Yeltsin, Putin, Medvedev, Yavlinsky, Prokhorov, as for the Communists?

No, well, there are 5 points! Igor is a minus to you, Irina is a plus. Yes, the young lady will forgive me for my impudent intervention.

[Detective]

Irina, if you feel some pleasure from calling me an enemy, you can certainly continue to do this. I do not fight women and I can’t consider you an enemy. I have never voted for Yeltsin, Medvedev, Yavlinsky and Prokhorov. On the contrary, the last two are certainly your colleagues. Of course, I voted for Putin and I will continue to vote.

[Million]

The current power of Stalin is afraid! Even in the form of a bust

[kalibr]

In Penza it’s standing, nobody is touching ...

[Andrey VOV]

A long road begins with a first small step .. Any historical figure that has left a huge mark in history is ambiguous, but thanks to just such personalities, a breakthrough in the development of mankind takes place .... and political dwarfs, like poplar fluff, interfere, burn out quickly and in memory don't stay ..
And the authorities need to take a clear position and stop being weathervanes ...

[NordUral]

So Stalin for these terrible hell.

[fighter angel]

Really, such news pleases! Vissarionych has long earned a monument, and not one! Howl louder, liberoids ...

[akudr48]

This is not the drama of the liberals, they will survive.
This is the tragedy of the people when Stalingrad is called Volgograd, when the authorities destroy the historical memory and the truth about Stalin, when they magnify and build monuments to traitors like Yeltsin.
Micropobeda in Novosibirsk is good, but it still needs to be held.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: akudr48

Micropobeda in Novosibirsk is good, but it still needs to be held.

This is a nano-victory that few would have noticed if it weren’t for the press.

[Moskovit]

It is interesting that they want to erect the monument in Novosibirsk. On the one hand, the Novosibirsk region was one of the "leaders" in terms of convicts, dispossessed and resettled peoples, on the other hand, the positions of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation are strong in it.
It is unlikely that anyone will connect and reconcile the monument. It seems to me early to put it. Too many more memories of the negative consequences of his reign.
But the Communist Party is better to engage in their party building and youth.

[tatra]

With anti-Soviet propaganda alone, the Stalinophobes committed several crimes, including slanderous accusations of some people for crimes, and unsubstantiated acquittals of criminals.
So casually, simply because it is so profitable for them, they declared ALL repressed in the USSR for political reasons, and ALL prisoners who had gone through the Gulag for 30 years "innocent victims", and those who repressed them for their crimes were declared criminals.
Anti-Soviet propaganda is a template by which you can slander any power in the world.

[Hole puncher]

Duc in your area, you can even put a monument to yourself, at least in a cap, even with a mustache.

[Larum]

Something of drama in the government and the president did not notice.
it will be necessary, in each city they will deliver. If only they voted as before correctly.

[vladcub]

In the Rostov region in one of the villages three years ago, a monument to Stalin was erected. The monument was erected on the initiative of veterans and with the consent of the village administration. Was there information on TV that it was set to 7 in the Russian Federation?

[NordUral]

Yes, a wonderful time in our yard, a monument to the leader of the USSR has to be erected in private territory. But at least it’s good for a start, and in Novosibirsk there are many opponents of this monument. Here on Change.org the petition is being promoted by those wishing to ban it, it’s good that there are not so many people who want to sign it all over the country, a little over 10 thousand

[pafegosoff]

In our city, the bust of Stalin survived Khrushchev and other rulers. About 10-15 years ago, in connection with the reconstruction of the street, they moved to a cozy square between the administration building and the city hospital. Somehow it did not interfere and does not interfere ... But to Lenin, two monuments were demolished (cement or gypsum). And they did it right. One bronze is enough (Tomsk workshop).

[HMR333]

it’s not a fuck here to denigrate times, but it’s not as unknown as the others would have acted in its place! who is sinless, let the first throw a stone at him! the states in the general genocide of the Indians for cranks and that there’s nothing to silence the heroes and they pour their mud on Stalin remembering not the best deeds; it’s good that no one remembers them! hypocrites! the current state police kill people more than Stalin at one time, and then, for reasons of suspecting them later and accusing him, he could not personally check everyone, so why is he to blame for everything? and why in the victory then he was not fully deservedly involved as they accuse him of being guilty of all murders! in the time of kings

[Yasen Ping]

read the story, articles on why Stalin did this, his power hung in the balance, plus a bunch of real German spies because our connection was not perfect, they all listened to it, and he could ... plus those revolutionaries who remained after the revolution, they they didn’t know how to do anything how to make a revolution, like Trotsky, they weren’t suitable for business executives, but they had to raise the country ... because there were such purges, but not like the liberal media voiced, 600 thousand were shot, not millions ..

[Tank jacket]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Tank jacket

Well, or name at least one successful reform of the liberals?

I don’t know what about the diberals, but I go to the store and I have no problems with the products. Are you all whining

Well, oppose it, where at least one liberal reform that can be called positive. The store with GMO products and new GOSTs did not work. I do not need 10 varieties of poisoned sausage. Give me the doctorate in accordance with Soviet GOSTs. And do not forget to answer about reform. He does not know whether you see. You do not know do not write ...

[Moskovit]

Could you buy this sausage? Or maybe on coupons in a crush? How people humbled themselves to buy basic things. They could have killed a cyanotic chicken. And the sausage also had enough cardboard. All my childhood passed in lines. Want to go back. The people in the elections are giving less and less votes to the Communists. They no longer know what to come up with. They will call Olga Buzova for the next presidential election. Anyway, her rating is higher than Zyuganov.

[Tank jacket]

So oppose, where at least one liberal reform, which can be called positive.

[Moskovit]

And who said that I am for liberal reforms? We are returning to the situation of 1917. The government does not learn lessons, but this does not mean that it is necessary to initialize the Soviet era, and even more so the Stalinist era, in which none of the members of the forum had a decent age.
At least it is clear that the socialist project in its pure form has failed.

[Tank jacket]

Failed and collapsed, not failed

[tatra]

One of the qualities of the enemies of the Communists is evil irrationality. You are against the Communists, and against the pre-revolutionary and post-Soviet authorities. It is irrational. And also among all enemies of the Communists, raging against the Soviet regime, not one of them is able to prove that pre-revolutionary or post-Soviet power is better for the country and people than the Soviet one.

[Yasen Ping]

Muscovite, at least youtube look how you did it so that there wasn’t enough food products ???? mountains of food were dumped in the forest, there is direct evidence of that, they led the people to revolt, we all had food, clothes and even cars ... except for the normal government led by Gorbaty ...

[Moskovit]

What mountains fell out. It may have been in Moscow. In Siberia, no one threw up any mountains in our country. Especially in the early 80's. And in the southern Urals. I stood there for hours with bread. Not enough. Under Brezhnev. Who is this crap? I don’t need fairy tales, good or bad, about the USSR, I lived in it.

[Ros 56]

It’s in what Southern Urals you stood for hours at a time, explain.

[Moskovit]

In the Orenburg region. They came for an hour and a half or two before the importation of bread in order to take a turn, otherwise they brought little. It was possible to stay without him. I'm not saying that there were some hungry years, but due to some flaws there was a shortage of bread in the region where wheat fields were around!
Recently I was there again, walked to places of childhood. I went into this store, there, despite the fact that the outskirts of the village, the assortment was such that the Soviet man would have had enough kondraty.

[Ros 56]

What are you lying, I have been living in Orsk all my life since I was 54, the region traveled far and wide, from Svetly and Yasny to Buzuluk, and I know Orenburg as my Orsk, but I hear about the shortage of bread for the first time, especially in the 80s . When we went to the competitions, we always took the Orenburg loaf as a present for the peasants, from 81 to 90, so don’t hang noodles on the people’s ears. If any local baker of the local spill did not arrange delivery to the local general store, this does not mean anything. Well, name the area where such miracles took place.
Even in the crappiest February of 94, when there was no money for bread, they themselves baked bread. And after two months, I earned both caviar and whiskey and cervelat and certainly did not sit without bread.

[Moskovit]

Be quiet, be quiet Orsk hero. This is the village of Saraktash. The district center, by the way. So moderate the ardor.

[Ros 56]

I was there, they took vodka from you in '93, so I myself should die my bullshit.

[Moskovit]

It is visible that drove. And a lot of underweight. I’m not telling you about the 90s, but about the 80s. Can you read?

[Ros 56]

Learn to read and understand what you read first.

[Ros 56]

But Yeltsin-the center directly causes everyone to approve or something? Thin - poor, with tragedies, with blood, but Stalin raised the country after the devastation, made it an industrial power, it is still unknown what the USSR would have become if it had not been for the war. But Yeltsin destroyed the country, destroyed the army, put industry on the brink of destruction, put young people on drugs and deprived the future, it’s kind to the liberals. It's time to end ranting with these clowns, otherwise we'll get to the turmoil.

[Detective]

And that someone here draws parallels between Stalin and Yeltsin ?! Well, except that both made a career in the field of communism. This is where the parallels end. There are few people who want to live, that at one thing, that at another time.

[Tank jacket]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Tank jacket

What are the "ideals" - LGBT, poverty, wars, stratification of society, well, go to them in London

You have a stormy fantasy. Learn to talk with people so that you are considered a person

So tell me about the ideals of liberals? Interesting?

[Goldmitro]

Quote: kapitan92

I still don’t understand Dslf.otujcz why the Bolsheviks prevented the monument in the center of Moscow, the hero of the Russian-Turkish war, General Skobelev !?

The outstanding Russian commander, General Skobelev, is not particularly favored by the power structures with the dominance of liberals in them. Even when the metro station was named after him, it was not without the liberal "podlyanka". Instead of calling the station respectfully - "General Skobelev" so that people remember that there was such an outstanding RUSSIAN general in the history of Russia, the liberals simply called the station "Skobelevskaya", such as "Nogatinskaya", "Chertanovskaya", etc. and you don't understand what the name is. And all this is due to the fact that we are talking about a RUSSIAN general!

[ZVS]

Finally, at least somewhere there will be a monument to the man who led the country in its most difficult years and made the country great!

[vvu-globus]

In Penza there is a Stalinist center and a bust of I.V. Stalin is nearby. See below for my comment.

[Steel falcon]

Nobody wanted to get in touch with the Stalinists, just as they would not want to get involved with other dubious informals like the Goths or AUEshnikov.

[Tank jacket]

Quote: Moskovit

Could you buy this sausage? Or maybe on coupons in a crush? How people humbled themselves to buy basic things. They could have killed a cyanotic chicken. And the sausage also had enough cardboard. All my childhood passed in lines. Want to go back. The people in the elections are giving less and less votes to the Communists. They no longer know what to come up with. They will call Olga Buzova for the next presidential election. Anyway, her rating is higher than Zyuganov.

Well, about the frank sabotage of the party council nomenclature in recent years of the USSR, which led the privatization and shootout and Canadian wheat, what do you know?

[Moskovit]

You yourself correctly noted that these faithful Leninists quickly removed their party cards in the closet and began to take the country together with the Komsomol-Khodorkovsky. But where did they come from? They sprouted from there, from those times. The whole system is rotten. All.

[tatra]

NO, the only benefit from Gorbachev is that thanks to him we all showed our true nature. And for the real, by convictions, communists and their supporters, what the beliefs were 100 years ago, they remain so now, and you, the enemies of the communists have proved that you are always ready to pretend to be those who are beneficial to you at the moment, you pretend and pretend to be and "loyal communists", "and" ideological anti-communists ", and monarchists, and liberals, and democrats, and" great philanthropists "in your propaganda against the communists - and were none of that.

[Ivan Ivanov]

It would be nice to have more social. justice to establish in any territory.

[Pacifist]

Stalin is a historical value and worthy of perpetuation in the monument, certainly much more worthy than the drunk who was immortalized and sing praises in Eburg.

[komradbuh]

God forbid !!! At last

[Yasen Ping]

and where, what address ??? I'll go there, put flowers ..

[Sleeping]

They will open a bust of Mustachioed in private territory and just where there will be flowers to bring idolaters.

[Sleeping]

Registered to advertise your books?

[Tomich3]

What about Tomsk cons? Fat from .. in Siberia? GRAS PATRIOTIC !!!!

[wmp]

read the comments. people are you talking about. I am not a communist, Stalinist, liberoid. I am for justice. where is justice? (that’s what we need to talk about). By the way, I respect Stalin very much (I’ll have to buy a couple of square meters and order a monument). 80% of officials should work with a jigsaw for the good of the country. well for short.

[Russian]

Let them put it on private. This is their business.

[vvu-globus]

In Penza, too, the liberals made a lot of noise, but there is a monument for a long time.

[Bator]

According to a certificate prepared in February 1954 by Prosecutor General R. Rudenko, Minister of Internal Affairs S. Kruglov and Minister of Justice K. Gorshenin, for the period from 1921 to February 1, 1954 he was convicted of counterrevolutionary crimes by the OGPU collegium, “triples "The NKVD, by the Special Meeting, the Military College, the courts and military tribunals of 3 people, including 777 people were sentenced to death. This is for thirty-one years. This is the end of the Civil War, this is the era after it. This is four years of a terrible war with Hitler. This is the period after the Second World War. This is a fight against gangs of Bandera and forest brothers. This includes Berry and Yezhov, and other bloody executioners. Here are the traitors of Vlasov. Here are deserters and looters. Self-shooters. Alarmists. Participants in the gangster underground. Nazi accomplices who shed blood. This is the "Leninist Guard", which destroyed a great country to the joy of the enemies of Russia. Here Zinoviev and Kamenev. Trotskyists in this number. Figures of the Comintern. Traitor and traitor Tukhachevsky, who was about to arrange a military coup. The executioner Bela Kun, thousands of drowning officers in the Crimea with stones on their necks. A multifaceted figure, polysyllabic. If you divide the total number of executed by the number of years, you will get less than 380 people a year. A lot of? Of course. But let’s not forget what years it was. And there are no tens of millions executed. This is exactly a deliberate lie. Remember this figure: 642 people. That was. It is necessary to know and remember

[Rimlianin]

It is true that they refused to erect a monument in the center. Indeed, the personality is ambiguous. At the same time, a tyrant and a creator. A monument to Yeltsin in the ECB will be removed. As soon as the power is replaced and his successors leave.

[Tavrik]

Well done Novosibirsk!

[Griol]

Why put only a bust? Yes, it is better to build a whole memorial, on the walls of which you can list all the "exploits" of the "best friend of children": - victims of surplus appropriation, collectivization, certification, repression (emphasize repression in the army and navy), the destruction of 75% of delegates to the 17th party congress, support for Hitler the first two WWII years (the supply of strategic materials even when the concentration camp furnaces were smoking), the betrayal of millions of Soviet people, soldiers who were captured or surrounded (later they were recognized as traitors), "gratitude" to those soldiers who became disabled without arms and legs (there are almost all from the central cities were sent to Solovki in boarding schools .. And just a bust in Novosibirsk is a spit on unnamed camp burial grounds ... This is very fond of "patriors".

[commoners]

Quote: Griol

Why put only a bust? Yes, it is better to build a whole memorial, on the walls of which you can list all the "exploits" of the "best friend of children": - victims of surplus appropriation, collectivization, certification, repression (emphasize repression in the army and navy), the destruction of 75% of delegates to the 17th party congress, support for Hitler the first two WWII years (the supply of strategic materials even when the concentration camp furnaces were smoking), the betrayal of millions of Soviet people, soldiers who were captured or surrounded (later they were recognized as traitors), "gratitude" to those soldiers who became disabled without arms and legs (there are almost all from the central cities were sent to Solovki in boarding schools .. And just a bust in Novosibirsk is a spit on unnamed camp burial grounds ... This is very fond of "patriors".

A new victim of the Unified State Exam was drawn, they read "The Archipelago" in the classroom. Education! They forgot to write about the millions of those executed. Read at least "Golubeva-Teres Olga. Night raids of Soviet pilots." Maybe you will understand something. Hardly. "The stoves of concentration camps and unnamed camp burial grounds were smoking" is a good attempt to put an equal sign, the Vlasovism went cold.

[Irbenwolf]

Long overdue!

[kalibr]

Quote: Barbus

If you buy the ruling elite, then you can destroy any state

Why didn't we buy it?