Fire in the shopping center again - now in Vladivostok

Another fire in the mall. This time the flame destroyed the shopping center "Bum" in Vladivostok. Firefighters report that the fire occurred at night, and the calculations arrived to extinguish the fire within three minutes after the first call, which was received at the control desk on duty at 01: 28.

The total area of ​​the fire was 1,6 thousand square meters. meters

According to witnesses, the fire started in a Chinese cafe where gas cylinders were used. It is stated that one of the cylinders exploded, after which the flame instantly engulfed the cafe's premises and began to spread across the upper floor of the “Bum” shopping center, where the catering point was located.

After some time, there was a complete collapse of the third floor of a shopping center located on Russkaya Street.

It took several hours for the fire brigade to locate the fire and spill the building of the Bum shopping center. It is noted that the building had a strong smoke, and therefore involved the calculations of the gas and smoke protection service. About fifty firefighters and 14 units of fire equipment worked on the burning object.

Inside the building conducted a preliminary inspection. Local media reported that the victims and victims (at the moment), fortunately, no.

According to some information, the shopping center "Bum" had already been closed due to violations of fire safety standards, but then they were reportedly eliminated and the shopping center opened again.

Recall that this is not the first fire in the Russian shopping center in the past few months. The tragedy ended in a fire in the Kemerovo Zimnyaya Chery mall, where 60 people died, including the 41 child.

Comments

[ANCIENT]

the main thing is that there were no human casualties

[Starover_Z]

Again a shopping center, this time balloons ...
It’s good that there are no victims, but the explosion is what ?!
And what, gas equipment today, in the era of "developed" democracy, is not subject to verification ?!
How long will this continue?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Starover_Z

And what, gas equipment today, in the era of "developed" democracy, is not subject to verification ?!

This will always happen, in any country this can happen. There is also a BUM shopping center in Komsomolsk, we also have Chinese cuisine on the fourth floor of NIHAO, a buffet.
It’s good that there are no casualties, although considering how many boutiques with furs and a bunch of other shopping centers with electronics and clothes are there. .... maybe the victims will be, Chinese, the owner of the kitchen hangs himself in FIG

[Dazdranagon]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

in any country this can happen

- but it happens for some reason only with us. Coincidence? I don’t think so ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Dazdranagon

- but it happens for some reason only with us. Coincidence? I don’t think so.

Yes, it’s noticeable that you don’t think so wrote to the authorities to spit, at every opportunity yes?
Give a link for the formation of personality, or you will find yourself?
29 people burned out at Korean fitness center
A fire in a hospital in South Korea: dozens of dead ...

[gunnerminer]

-Fire in a hospital in South Korea: dozens of dead ...-

This sad fact doesn’t justify the fires in Russian shopping centers, and the general bribery in regulatory authorities. The doctrine - on the world and death is red - does not pass.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: gunnerminer

Fire in a hospital in South Korea: dozens of dead ...-

Murad, today you do not pass by my comments. Do you work

[gunnerminer]

Nobody forces anyone to read comments.

[svp67]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Yes, it’s noticeable that you don’t think so wrote to the authorities to spit, at every opportunity yes?

And yet, this does not color us. Moreover, these events take place with enviable regularity. And here's another thing, no matter what the mess in Ukraine would be, but I don’t remember something that the shopping centers would burn so often.

[spech]

- but for some reason it happens only with us. Coincidence? I don't think ... hi

We modestly keep silent about California

[Gray brother]

Quote: Dazdranagon

- but it happens for some reason only with us. Coincidence? I don’t think so ...

Why did you get this? I already got it.

[Bull Terrier]

there shouldn’t be any cylinders there at all. gas in shopping centers is prohibited. his leadership generally did not catch flies in my opinion. will sit down

[Same lech]

It is claimed that one of the cylinders exploded

Fried something .... probably the oil got on the cylinder valve.
In general, I would forbid using gas cylinders in crowded places ... any accident or stupidity of the owner of this cylinder and bang ... a lot of corpses and destruction, outraged public and it is no longer possible to ask the deceased.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Fried something .... probably the oil got on the valve.

BOOM closes at 22.00, the Chinese works until 21.00. There is no one there at night

[Same lech]

BOOM closes at 22.00, the Chinese works until 21.00. There is no one there at night

Lucky ... a guard or guard could fry something ... there couldn’t be a balloon at night itself, there should be an external reason ... although they could just forget to close the valve on the stove ... gas accumulation ... spark from the light switch and bang bang again.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

..could a guard or watchman fry something ...

As he gets there, everything is closed there.

Quote: The same LYOKHA

. although they could forget to shut the banal valve onto the stove ... gas accumulation ... spark from the light switch and again bang bang

That there would be a spark from the switch, this switch, someone had to turn it on! But even in this case, the cause of the fire would have been a gas explosion, not a cylinder. The cylinder would explode much later when the temperature gained.

[Same lech]

As he gets there, everything is closed there.

Closes ... never mind ... I had a few nights to work in such establishments ... sometimes people have plenty of different jobs there at night.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Closes ... nevermind closes

C'mon, guards climb boutiques, measure jackets, turn on telly, play consoles. I'm from another planet.
Here are the boutiques next to the Chinese kitchen, if you look carefully, you can see the blinds that go down and lock when the store closes. And China also locks up.

[Same lech]

It is necessary to make some kind of repair, for example, in this boutique ... the owner of the building and the boutique allows only at night ... you have to do at this time ... there are a lot of nuances.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

It is necessary to make some kind of repair, for example, in this boutique ... the owner of the building and the boutique allows only at night ... you have to do at this time ... there are many nuances

In the article, everything is clearly written, what do you think of the version of the version ??????? Why the hell do you need it ???????

[Same lech]

In the article, everything is clearly written, what do you think of the version of the version ??????? Why the hell do you need it ???????

Doing nothing thoughts of my horses ... herd rushing through the attic do not give rest.

[demo]

Propane-butane oil mixture does not explode.
That oxygen is yes.
Oxygen is an oxidizing agent. An instant oil oxidation takes place with the release of a huge amount of energy.
In my memory, an oxygen cylinder, located on the third floor of a nine-story building, pierced all floors up and stuck in the roof.

A gas cylinder can explode only if the valve leaks when a mixture of air and gas is formed in the room. And a little spark.
And ...... paragraph. Full.

[210ox]

You are absolutely right. Leak. It may well be deliberate. Yes, and where are the gas cylinders in the shopping center from? As far as I know, this is prohibited.

[Gray brother]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Fried something .... probably the oil got on the cylinder valve.

The cylinder could explode after the fire started. Maybe there the wiring was short or the gadget which was left on the charge could also catch fire.
The balloon simply cannot explode, the more this whole thing caught fire at night when there was nobody.

[loki565]

Oil on the cylinder valve ???))) Is it oxygen to you, what kind of heresy))) Yes, and the cylinders do not explode without an external fire. There could be a gas leak, a fire, and the cylinder had already exploded during a fire, from extreme temperatures ...

[Gray brother]

Quote: Starover_Z

And what, gas equipment today, in the era of "developed" democracy, is not subject to verification ?!

Every day - definitely not, and in the era of "developed socialism" too.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Starover_Z

And what, gas equipment today, in the era of "developed" democracy, is not subject to verification ?!

That's why she is "developed".
You take an empty bottle and go to the nearest gas station, pay the money and voila, you are the happy owner of a full gas bottle without any check with a siphon valve, but for that with money saved on checking, repairing or replacing the bottle. Everything is elementary "Watson", this is a democracy with a national mentality, multiplied by a market economy - just everyone was given the freedom to choose how to commit suicide and take with them how many dozen more, from there "results" with fires of thousands of "hectares" and collapses residential entrances.
Previously, during the "totalitarian scoop", this procedure for refueling gas cylinders took place exclusively through specialized state points. They still seem to exist, but ... as they say, there are options.
Thank God that our "market managers" do not have enough brains before the invention of the technology of using oxygen in combination with propane for heating and cooking - the effect of an explosion of such a combustible mixture would be many times more "interesting".
The main mentality of the current market RF is expressed in indifference to everything around, in all spheres of life. So the shopping center "Boom", like "Winter Cherry" is far from the last on the list, unfortunately.
Sadly it all.

[Galleon]

Quote: Sovetskiy

but for that with money saved

Here are the keywords in the description of the causes of all fires. In order to force the tenant to comply with the law and pay some sum - at least for altering the alarm or fire extinguishing if he closed the sensors or sprinklers with a dull ceiling, at least for cleaning the technological ventilation, at least for the sake of repairing the same ventilation, the general director of the shopping and entertainment center sometimes has to attract they do not work. And such stinkers / economists (cross out unnecessary) tenants will be found in every shopping center!

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Galleon

Quote: Sovetskiy

but for that with money saved

Here are the keywords in the description of the causes of all fires. In order to force the tenant to comply with the law and pay some sum - at least for altering the alarm or fire extinguishing if he closed the sensors or sprinklers with a dull ceiling, at least for cleaning the technological ventilation, at least for the sake of repairing the same ventilation, the general director of the shopping and entertainment center sometimes has to attract they do not work. And such stinkers / economists (cross out unnecessary) tenants will be found in every shopping center!

The market however ...
And about the alarm in general, it is interesting: they rented a production room without a fire alarm. We say to the owner: "Let us put the alarm on the rental bill ourselves." The owner refused. We delivered it at our own expense, but without official registration and a service contract, with savings in general. Firefighters came and tried to "blow" the tenant, ie. we, and not the owner "for improper fulfillment of the PB requirements," the arrows were transferred to the owner. That's how we live.

[NOMADE]

By the way, there is no sprinkler fire extinguishing system. And before that, in the spring it was closed. But then they opened, supposedly, the comments were eliminated)

[NOMADE]

Yes .. beautifully "edited" my post .. No words. Did I write curses or not? Alexander?
I violated the site rules when I mentioned that you are using obscene expressions, pointed out the nature of the construction of this "shopping center" (why did they delete this information? Does it really hurt your eyes?)))

[Machito]

The wave lifted by the Winter Cherry passed, and fires began. The administration of shopping centers does not deal with fire safety because it interferes with making money. Firefighters feed, collect bribes.
To change the situation, the landing and resignation of officials for insufficient control of fire safety are needed.
Otherwise, we will lose people.

[snake]

Quote: Starover_Z

How long will this continue?

Has it ever been different with us? So that the perpetrators of the mess are justly punished, and the shortcomings in TB are completely eliminated? Unfortunately, the next state of emergency of this kind is a matter of time.

[NEXUS]

Quote: ANCIENT

the main thing is that there were no human casualties

No conclusions are drawn; life does not teach anything. Therefore, the only thing that can be said is the main thing that there are no dead.
And to make sure that this does not happen in the future? Why? Only when there is a public resonance, then the big ranks begin to move and talk intermittently about what they are going to do, promising that this will not happen again. That's how we live ...

[Ross xnumx]

And everyone reported on the checks carried out after the fire in Kemerovo ... How can one not recall Viktor Stepanovich:

Spawn this did not happen, and again the same

[Mountain shooter]

Everybody is alive? Firefighters reacted immediately? Well, okay. And the object ... Well, there will be a lesson. As for compliance ... These standards are written in blood ... And ashes of burned people ...

[gunnerminer]

The power of the fire is proportional to the amount of the bribe paid to the inspection authorities.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: gunnerminer

The strength of the fire is proportional to the amount of the bribe paid to the inspection authorities

When did you last give a bribe? Go try give

[gunnerminer]

In such an ugly winter-winter state, the shopping complex can remain only for a good bribe.

-You yourself when the last time you gave a bribe? Go try it.

Only the Gorbachev family can talk about perestroika.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: gunnerminer

Only the Gorbachev family can talk about perestroika.

So I didn’t give it. Then you’re bluffing about bribes. The days are over when everything could be done for a bribe. Go try buy right

[gunnerminer]

- The days are over when for a bribe -

Just the same. In order to burn a shopping center due to an unsuitable fire condition, the right to drive a car is not needed.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: gunnerminer

Just the same. To burn a mall due to an unsuitable fire condition,

You tired me, do not write me more, I will not answer

[engineer74]

A bribe, even if it was, is a consequence. And the reason .. What did the founding fathers say about 300% of the profit?
IMHO

[SS-18 Satan]

I'm sorry .. and the military have something to do with this? or the site of the Ministry of Emergency Situations hackers strangled?

[Fedorov]

It is necessary to plant bureaucrats, and once again put in a mess, you can shoot. Then Yagoda and Yezhov were right, Beria was resting, although he had put things in order.
Chkalov in his place, Stalin methyl, did not agree. That would be a joke.

[gunnerminer]

Do not change everyone. It is necessary to improve the legislative framework to reduce the likelihood of corruption and theft.

[igorbrsv]

But it wouldn’t hurt to introduce the execution. To be afraid

[Galleon]

And I think, when will there finally appear comments about the need to shoot or plant someone. I even started to worry.
Lightly.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Galleon

And I think, when will there finally appear comments about the need to shoot or plant someone. I even started to worry.
Lightly.

And I think, when finally there will be comments about the need to understand and forgive someone. And it’s better to regret and reward, then pay insurance and forget. I even started to worry.
Soon.

[Galleon]

Past
I did not write about the need to understand and forgive someone. This was not meant. Below there is another comment of mine, in which I, as an active industrial safety engineer in the mall, support the statement about "Money Saved".
Powder helps.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Galleon

I did not write that someone needs to be understood and forgiven.

Then explain the purpose of your message. You do not like the inevitability of punishment for committed violations and crimes? Cruelty? I do not need to list my positions and merits. Then one well-known to everyone also said a lot of things and promised, and, as soon as they chose, he began to explain completely different values ​​...
Cleaning helps. You do not mask looting with powders.

[Galleon]

Quote: ROSS 42

Then explain the purpose of your message

Those who like to pass sentences are usually not good experts in their field, because the desire to anoint with black paint and inflict reprisals is ahead of their thought. Their principle is "what is there to understand". Note - they do not even know who in this situation needs to be "put up against the wall" and spit at the Ministry of Emergencies. (I am not an apologist for the Ministry of Emergency Situations and have no relation to this office). I am not impressed by the calls of the profane, so I made fun of the first person who showed up and am going to continue to do so. There are people on VO, whose comments are always interesting to me, but they, as a rule, are expressed infrequently. and to the point.

Quote: ROSS 42

I don’t need to list my posts

Well, how would you understand what I’m saying firsthand, but I’ve been digging into this topic for a number of years? You will pay attention to the photo to the article. The mall is small. There is no smoke ventilation in it (which is clear from the article - the rooms are clouded with smoke), there is no fire extinguishing - the entire 3rd floor burned down. One alarm that someone is servicing under the contract. There is also no special person to monitor compliance with PP No. 390, although by order of someone there should be issued. Today, he will talk with the Ministry of Emergencies during the preparation of the fire act. Rather, I’ve already talked.

[rocket757]

No casualties, good. Surely, after all, there are a bunch of different violations. The rules are different in order to be followed in order to avoid disasters.

[bald]

Maybe I'm wrong, but where is the Chinese public catering, and not only automatically, this territory falls into the zone of increased danger. When checking - everything is smooth, but it is only worth leaving and ....

[Qwertyarion]

The use of liquefied gas in places of mass arrival of people is unacceptable.
The owners of the premises could not know about it, but allowed the use.

[Waldemar]

The border is that drawbar. Thousands of unwanted elements roam the streets. Around gouging. In such conditions, for example, arson can be arranged in five minutes without preparation

[An60]

I understand that - military news !!! Or did it explode a Chinese rocket launcher?