Armored train BP-43, Kozma Minin and Ilya Muromets

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Continuing the cycle of articles about the USSR's armored trains, we confess two things.

First, we literally fell in love with these railway complexes. This is probably due to the initial lack of knowledge of the issue.



And secondly, the creators of armored trains, engineers, designers, craftsmen, workers, however, like the crews of BP, today seem to be ingenious adventurists, people for whom nothing really was impossible.

Armored train BP-43, Kozma Minin and Ilya Muromets


At least, it is precisely such conclusions that come to mind upon close acquaintance with history armored trains. In general - both built and fought. From the heart.

Today we will talk about specific, known to many armored trains. Considering that readers are “technically prepared”, today it’s more about exploits, about daily work, about people ...

In spite of everything, the main thing in any armored train is people. Fighters (railway workers on the BP are also fighters!) And commanders. Artillerymen, machine-gunners, anti-aircraft gunners, workers of repair crews, crews of locomotives, train crews, bakers, medical orderlies. In short, the crew!

Let's start with the promised most massive armored train of the Red Army, developed in 1942 year - BP-43.



The armored train BP-43 consisted of an armored locomotive PR-43, placed in the middle of the train, 4 artillery armored platforms PL-43 (2 armored platforms on both sides of the armored locomotive), 2 armored platforms with anti-aircraft weapons. Defense-4 (at both ends of the armored train) and 2-4 control platforms, on which the materials necessary for repairing the railway track or landing troops were transported.







Usually, the armored train included the 1-2 of the BA-20 armored car or the BA-64 armored vehicle.



For the Red Army during the war years was made 21 armored train BP-43. The same number of armored trains of this type were received by the NKVD troops.

“Heavy” armored trains armed with 107-mm guns with a range of up to 15 km. Reservations (up to 100 mm) protected vital nodes from armor-piercing projectiles with 75 mm caliber.

At one fuel and water refueling, the armored train could travel up to 120 km with a maximum speed of 45 km / h. The fuel used was coal (10 tons) or fuel oil (6 tons). The mass of the warhead of the armored train did not exceed 400 t.

The combat unit crew consisted of command, a control platoon, armored platoons with turret crews and detachments of on-board machine guns, an air defense platoon, a thrust and movement platoon and a railway armored platoon in which there were 2 BA-20 light armored vehicles and 3 medium-armored BA-armored vehicles. for movement on the railway track.



Armored cars were used to conduct reconnaissance at a distance of 10-15 km and as part of a guard (patrol) on the march. In addition, a landing force of up to three rifle platoons could be located on cover platforms.

Most of the most famous power supplies were precisely BP-43. The most successful design was the armored train Kozma Minin, built in February 1942 of the year in the Gorky-Moskovsky carriage depot under the guidance of engineer Leonid Dmitrievich Rybenkov.



The combat unit of this armored train included: an armored locomotive, 2 covered armored platforms, 2 open artillery armored platforms and 4 two-axle control platforms.



Each covered armored area was armed with two 76,2 mm guns mounted in towers from tanks T-34. In addition to the 7,62 mm DT machine guns coaxial with these guns, the armored sites had four 7,62 mm Maxim machine guns in ball bearings on the sides.



Open artillery sites were divided in length into three compartments. 37-mm anti-aircraft guns were installed in the front and rear compartments, and the M-8 missile launcher was located in the central compartment.



The thickness of the side armor of the armor sites was 45 mm, the covered armor sites had upper armor with a thickness 20 mm.

Armor armor protected by 30-45 mm thickness was used as a traction armor in combat conditions. In the campaign and on the maneuvers used the usual locomotive. At the tender of the armored train, a command post was equipped, connected to the driver's booth with an armored door.

From this cabin, the commander of the armored train controlled the actions of the armored platforms by telephone. For external communication at his disposal was a long-range radio RSM.

Due to the presence of four long-barreled X-NUMX-mm F-76,2 cannons, the armored train could provide a high concentration of artillery fire and conduct aimed fire at a range of up to 32 km, and the M-12 launchers allowed it to successfully hit enemy manpower and equipment by working on the squares.

During the war, an armored train shot down 14 (according to the memoirs of Commissioner Alexei Potekhin) or 15 (official data) of the aircraft. He participated in the defense of Tula, the liberation of Orel, Bryansk, Gomel.

Next - the path to Europe. Liberation of Wolomin, Prague Warsaw, Warsaw. By the way, the inhabitants of Volomin 23 February were presented to the crew of an armored train of a bronze lion in gratitude for their salvation and heroism.

Once the militia gathered by Kozma Minin liberated Moscow from the Poles. And after three hundred and thirty-three years, "Kozma Minin" already freed the Poles from the fascists. Here is a historical conflict ...

The war "Kozma Minin" ended, as befits a hero, in the lair of the enemy. True to Berlin, he could not enter. The Germans blew up the bridge over the Oder. So, the armored train stopped in 50 kilometers from Berlin.

But then, after the surrender of the Nazis in the division, he ensured the safety of the government train with the delegation of the Soviet Union at the Potsdam Conference of Heads of Government.

No less known is Minin’s “twin brother” - Ilya Muromets.



The armored train Ilya Muromets was built in 1942 in Murom. He was protected by armor 45 mm thick and throughout the war did not receive a single hole. The armored train went from Murom to Frankfurt an der Oder.



During the war, he destroyed 7 aircraft, 14 guns and mortar batteries, 36 enemy firing points, 875 soldiers and officers. In addition, the bogatyr "Murom" destroyed Wehrmacht armored train.

In our history, it is assumed that the armored train bore the name of the Fuhrer, therefore its destruction carries an additional sacred meaning. The Soviet armored train, named after the Russian epic warrior, destroys the enemy's armored train, named after Hitler.

There is a small problem. Alas, the armored train "Adolf Hitler" did not exist, just as there was not a single combat unit, except for the division "Leibstandarte SS" Adolf Hitler ", bearing the name of the German führer.

As for Leibstandarte, everything is not so simple either, the name of the division can also be translated as “Adolf Hitler's Bodyguards”. Actually, the division was formed on the basis of the Fuhrer’s personal guard. Nobody bore the name of Hitler any more: neither units, nor ships, nor canals, nor cities or towns. We did not find any mention of the armored train.

But that's not the point, if anything, is it? The bottom line is that the crew of the Soviet armored train "Ilya Muromets" destroyed a German armored train. And this is a fact that does not become less significant, from the fact that the destroyed armored train did not bear the name of the Fuhrer.

Well, a beautiful myth that was invented ... And well! War is always information war. And what's most important? That's right, victory. Real, not invented. After all, reality is always brighter and more interesting than myth.

And in our reality, the 31 separate separate Gorky division of armored trains, which included the Ilya Muromets and Kozma Minin armored trains, was awarded the Order of Alexander Nevsky. For outstanding military merit.

About the battle of "Ilya Muromets" with the German armored train in general they made up with three boxes, to be honest. It took a lot of time to understand in detail what happened there.

The story that “Ilya Muromets” and the German BP almost converged head-on to the present day has reached and still corresponds. In fact, the whole story with a single volley, lumped the enemy's BP into pieces is quite fantastic.

And now we want to submit our version to the court. Different from the standard on the web.

So, the German armored train (not “Adolf Hitler”, as it turned out, but No. 11 or No. XXUMX, we are still specifying) in June, 76 began systematically and regularly shelling the objects of our troops near the station Kovel of the Volyn region of Ukraine.

Some sources give the following picture:

“Taking advantage of the thoroughness of the Germans and the terrain, the headquarters of the armored division developed a plan of operation. The gunners simultaneously had to disable the railway track in order to cut off the escape route for the enemy armored train, and Ilya Muromets was supposed to have a parking lot closer to the invisible battery. In order not to frighten off the enemy, we decided to begin actions without shooting. ”

Let us leave on the conscience of those who wrote all this, since this literary work is completely untrue. Further in the text were the data on the consumption of shells (10 on the gun). What makes the picture all fantastic.

Recall, "Ilya" was 4 F-34 gun caliber 76-mm. Total - 40 shells to destroy the tracks and the armored train of the enemy. Without adjustment.



Of course, the shooting was. And there was just a great job artillery scouts of our armored train. While the Germans were having fun, a map of their movements was drawn up and the point from which the fire opened was calculated. And naturally, the shooting was carried out. From the position from which Ilya had to open fire. This was its essence.

During a study on this topic, we came across the memories of the captain (at that time) of Alexander Vasilchenko, a howitzer regiment of artillery. Vasilchenko said that in the case when it was undesirable to draw attention to the fact of the shooting, the shooting was done with training shells. That is, perfect blanks that did not explode.

It is possible, even possible, that the German armored train’s approach paths were shot this way. As an option - armor-piercing shells.

It was not worth targeting jet set-ups, as this is all the same weapon work on the area.

But nevertheless, the hellish task for intelligence officers and spotters. But after all they did it right on the results.

Further. Indeed, the punctuality of the Germans - is the thing that allowed to use it for their own purposes. The time of an exit of a German armored train to the point of opening of fire was known for certain, and this point was calculated quite accurately.

Next, we offer this timekeeping.

1. "Ilya Muromets" in advance, in the dark, carefully, without unmasking himself, goes to a predetermined position. With the first rays of the sun there is a preliminary guidance to the place where the German should go. Then everything burns bundles of nerves, and intelligence and spotters also have eyes.

2. The guns are infected with high-explosive fragmentation shells. Just so, the explosion of the RP-projectile makes it possible to quickly detect the place of impact and correct further shooting. PC installations are also charging. Both.

3. After drinking coffee and having breakfast, the Germans begin to advance. The crew of "Ilya Muromets" is waiting for the end of the process. As soon as intelligence gives the go-ahead that the German is in position, the first salvo follows.

The first rocket launcher is firing. Just sighting in, a few missiles, then adjustment and fire of two installations. The aiming point is behind the armored train with the aim of destroying the railway track.

The guns of "Ilya" give the first, sighting salvo. Adjustment and then really quick fire, all the same, on the canvas, or on the train, but it is more difficult.

From the fact that the German BP remained in place, it follows that on the way, most likely, slapped. And it is precisely the PC, because the 76-mm projectile is not enough. But the 82-mm rocket projectile - and that's how it is for us, so completely.

4. The Germans, naturally, having gotten themselves in such a binding, begin to urgently deploy their towers in the direction of Ilya. But, unlike our fighters, they need time to turn, aim, adjust. Time they simply don’t have.

By the way, the range of the RS-82, with which Ilya was armed, gives an understanding of the distance at which the battle was fought. The F-34 cannon was able to throw an OF-grenade at 9-10 km, an armor-piercing projectile flew at 4 km. The PC-82 could fly 5,5 km.

From here the battle distance was less than 5 km. Not straight, but ...

5. The Germans give the first sighting salvo. A maximum of 5-6 minutes has passed since the start of the battle. Projectiles, to put it mildly, do not lie next to our armored train. Affected by the lack of coordinates, the fuss caused by an unexpected battle, and so on.

Well, the Germans did not like the fuss, what to do.

But ours could, were able, practiced. We do not know how long it took the Ilya Muromets fighters to reload the PC installations. But we think that less than standard 10 minutes.

6. The second volley "Ilya Muromets." In the sense of missiles. The guns should have been silently picking the Germans. The sight is no longer in the rails, but in the armored train itself.

Actually, everything. Got up. The battle is over.

In the report it was noted that "the enemy's armored train was wrapped in white clouds of smoke or steam." Obviously, hit the pot.

A month later, in July 1944, Kovel was released. And the Soviet soldiers discovered a broken-down German armored train. The best confirmation of the success of the Ilya Muromets crew.



Here is a story. It is clear that the armored train did not converge head-on, otherwise it would not have had to wait to take pictures of the enemy's armored train. But - and so just fine.

The only battle of two armored trains for the entire Second World War ended in our victory "for a clear advantage."

In the next part, we will talk about the armored train, from which our close acquaintance with trains began. It will be an armored train number 13 "Tula worker" and its twice a unique story. In detail and with video stories of the creators of his second incarnation.
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  1. +6
    20 November 2018 06: 16
    Become very pleased.
    It was on the pages of VO several years ago that he read an article about an armored train in the Civil War, then on the network about their battles. It’s just the battle of the Gods!
    Since then, I have simply bowed to these giants. The love of the authors is very clear.
    ..... The Germans failed punctuality .....
    1. +2
      20 November 2018 19: 04
      Quote: Reptiloid
      Become very pleased.

      I support. article really succeeded.
      Quote: Reptiloid
      .... The Germans failed punctuality .....

      Our weaknesses are a continuation of our virtues.
  2. +6
    20 November 2018 06: 22
    And secondly, the creators of armored trains, engineers, designers, craftsmen, workers, however, like the crews of BP, today seem to be ingenious adventurists, people for whom nothing really was impossible.
    Thanks, very interesting. And most importantly, probably, in spite of the typical drawings, relatively standard equipment and weapons, the construction of armored soldiers gave a wide path for creativity. Even steam locomotives, the legendary "Sheep" were of different series. "Steam locomotive O (" Main ") is the first steam locomotive, which became the main one in the locomotive fleet of Russian railways. In the period from 1890 to 1915, more than 9 thousand locomotives of this series were manufactured at twelve steam locomotive plants, which made the steam locomotive O the most massive of the pre-revolutionary This locomotive worked on all state and most private railways of the Russian Empire, as well as on all railways of the Soviet Union. The most famous (and most massive) varieties are Ov and Od, nicknamed "Sheep" and "Joyka", respectively [ 1]. Also, O steam locomotives, being the main locomotives of armored trains, participated in the Civil and Great Patriotic Wars. "
  3. +3
    20 November 2018 07: 00
    Thank you for the article. If interesting.

    An interesting map would be a diagram of the battle, but I think that the concept of "battle at Kovel" gives a space of hundreds of two kilometers. The exact location of the battle is perhaps difficult to find.
  4. BAI
    0
    20 November 2018 09: 44
    What can you say about "Ilya Muromets"?
    1. The armored locomotive (or its replica?) Is preserved, it stands in an eternal parking lot.

    2. The battle was not entirely cloudless for our armored train. The following evidence has been preserved:
    "Under Kovel, the commander of the armored train" Ilya Muromets "N.A. Popkov. He was buried at Globa Station. The Germans once again informed the command that the armored train was destroyed. However, only the bath-car and change house were burned, and the armored train itself with honor left the battle. General I.I. Kretov arrived at the station and personally handed the personnel of the Red Banner Division of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR. ”
    1. BAI
      +2
      20 November 2018 09: 48
      By the way, the author recently devoted a series of photos to the interior decoration of ambulance trains. It is possible and about BP.

      Club car bath "Ilya Muromets."
      Moreover, there is not a word about this car in the article.
    2. +1
      20 November 2018 10: 07
      There is a steam locomotive of the same type. The actual steam locomotive "Muromets" was not found. In short, the locomotive is of the same type, the booking is a remake. Copy...
    3. +1
      20 November 2018 17: 00
      Interesting article and well written.
  5. +3
    20 November 2018 12: 20
    Most of the most famous power supplies were precisely BP-43. The most successful design was the armored train Kozma Minin, built in February 1942 of the year in the Gorky-Moskovsky carriage depot under the guidance of engineer Leonid Dmitrievich Rybenkov.

    Hmm ... was the "Kozma Minin" type BP-43? EMNIP, "Minin" was an atypical BP of the "individual project".
    Thanks to the presence of four long-barreled 76,2 mm F-32 cannons, the armored train could provide a high concentration of artillery fire and conduct aimed fire at a range of up to 12 km

    Long-barreled F-32? Yes, and in the towers of the T-34? belay
    1. +1
      20 November 2018 13: 12
      The type of PSU was determined by armament. The difference between Minin and the rest of the BP-43 in the air defense armor. It was there that jet art was installed. Two sites, two launchers.
      Generally speaking, one can only talk about typical bepos conditionally. This is a train. And they changed sites often for various reasons. The same Crimean "Zheleznyakov" in most documents is referred to as an air defense BP ...
      And the guns ... Indeed, these 1938 samples of the year stood. Look at the photo. What happened, then they set ...
      1. +4
        20 November 2018 13: 30
        Quote: domokl
        The type of PSU was determined by armament. The difference between Minin and the rest of the BP-43 in the air defense armor. It was there that jet art was installed. Two sites, two launchers.

        Oh-ho-ho ... Here's a typical BP-43:

        This BP, like its predecessor OB-3, had lightweight artillery sites - one 76,2 mm gun based on a biaxial platform. The difference is that on the OB-3 they put every illiquid asset from the GAU warehouses - three-inch field arms, regiments, tank L-10s. And the BP-43 received platforms with towers from the T-34 with standard weapons.
        "Kozma Minin" has artillery sites - heavy, two-gun.
        Quote: domokl
        And the guns ... Indeed, these samples stood in 1938. Look at the photo.


        Look. There are T-34 "Mickey Mouse" towers with standard "long" F-34s.
        Moreover, the F-32 cannon was never installed on the T-34 for the reason that it was extremely scarce, and it was not enough even for the KV. Alas, the LKZ for the year was unable to establish the production of "someone else's" Grabin cannon. Actually, due to, among other things, difficulties with the production of the F-32, a new ZIS-5 gun based on the F-34 had to be made for the KV - because there were no problems with the production of the F-34.
  6. 0
    20 November 2018 13: 29
    A long time ago, as they say in the years of wild youth, in the magazine "Modelist-Constructor", there was a story about the BP "Ilya Muromets" with drawings.
  7. +3
    20 November 2018 13: 40
    "Most of the most famous BPs were the BP-43. The most successful design was the Kozma Minin armored train, built in February 1942 at the Gorky-Moskovsky wagon depot under the leadership of engineer Leonid Dmitrievich Rybenkov."
    Some clarifications. BP "Kozma Minin" did not belong to the BP-43 type. Based on the surviving photographs, it belonged to the type or BP-42

    The artillery armament of these trains consisted of guns F-34 in T34 towers. But the machine guns, not paired with the gun, were installed differently. On "Kozma Minin", as can be seen from the photo, DT machine guns are also used in ball mountings.
    1. +3
      20 November 2018 14: 34
      "The open artillery pads were divided in length into three compartments. 37mm anti-aircraft guns were installed in the front and rear compartments, and an M-8 missile launcher was located in the central compartment."

      Anti-aircraft mortar armored platform BEPO "Kozma Minin" with 25mm automatic cannons and M-8 rocket launcher.
      Clearly visible 25 mm automatic anti-aircraft guns mod. 40 g (72-K).
    2. +1
      20 November 2018 14: 38
      I apologize, the glitch did not allow to finish the phrase."Based on the surviving photographs, it belonged to the type or BP-42 , or, more likely, to small-scale PSUs, often built in a single copy. "
    3. +4
      20 November 2018 14: 54
      Quote: Curious
      Some clarifications. BP "Kozma Minin" did not belong to the BP-43 type.

      Yeah ... this is clearly hinted at by two-gun artillery armored sites.
      Quote: Curious
      Based on the surviving photographs, it was of type or BP-42

      PMSM, "Minin" and "Muromets" can be considered as modifications of the basic BP-42.
      1. +1
        20 November 2018 16: 16
        "Kozma Minin" could not relate to BP-43 in any way. If only because it was built "in October 1941 - February 1942". And the BP-43, or rather, the decree on their construction was issued on 25.06.1942/XNUMX/XNUMX ...
        About 25mm air defense immediately talked. And there were no maxaks on it at all.
        And it was created, EMNIP, if I may say so, on the basis of "Special armored train (obp) No. 1" For Stalin! " Which, unfortunately, died almost in the first battle.
  8. -6
    20 November 2018 13: 52
    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov, Alexander Staver
    For the Red Army during the war years was made 21 armored train BP-43. The same number of armored trains of this type were received by the NKVD troops.
    Mdja, I underestimated the narrow-mindedness of the Soviet industry of that era - to rivet more than 40 armored trains for a war of tanks and airplanes? how is it necessary to be a man in order to promote the production of a deliberately outdated model, not even a model of a weapon?!?

    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov, Alexander Staver
    Once the militia gathered by Kozma Minin liberated Moscow from the Poles. And after three hundred and thirty-three years, "Kozma Minin" already freed the Poles from the fascists. Here is a historical conflict ...
    Yeah. And was it worth doing? that it doesn’t hurt that Poles are grateful to us already for 70 years ... apparently from the heart they were serving under the German then ...

    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov, Alexander Staver
    There is a small problem. Alas, the armored train "Adolf Hitler" did not exist, just as there was not a single combat unit, except for the division "Leibstandarte SS" Adolf Hitler ", bearing the name of the German führer.
    Well, thank God, the authors at least did not repeat the cliches of Soviet propaganda during the war, but looked into it a little. And if you look into it in more detail - then, judging by some data, this "Adolf Hitler armored train" was a restored Soviet trophy armored train, abandoned during the retreat of the Red Army and captured by the Germans in 1941 (since it carried out its own actions - and most German armored trains were some kind of "improvisation on the knee", by and large platforms with installed trophies - tanks, cannons and machine guns, and were used mainly for anti-partisan functions when escorting regular trains).

    1. +2
      20 November 2018 15: 06
      Quote: Warrior2015
      Mdya, did I underestimate the blindness of the Soviet industry of that era - riveting more than 40 armored trains for the war of tanks and aircraft?

      Well, some of them were not intended for the war of tanks and aircraft, and to protect railway communications (I'm talking about BP NKVD).
      And 20 of the 21 army BP-43s were built in 1942-1943. Moreover, all built BP-43s were used to re-equip existing BP divisions with new materiel. No new divisions were created. Because of this, up to a third of the BP-43 was in the reserve of the GABTU, waiting for "their" division to be withdrawn for rearmament.
      1. -1
        21 November 2018 11: 20
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Well, some of them were not intended for the war of tanks and aircraft, but for the protection of railway communications (I am talking about the NKVD BP).

        What else proves the inadequacy of not only the use, but even the production of new armored trains in the Second World War. Well, what is the need to protect communications by armored trains? we are not Germans (who used the armored train for this functionality), did we have an active partisan war in the rear against our own troops? or was it really like that?
        1. +1
          21 November 2018 15: 29
          Quote: Warrior2015
          Well, what kind of communication protection is needed with ARMORED TRAINS? we are not Germans (who used armored trains precisely for this functionality), did we have an active guerrilla war going on in the rear against our own troops?

          Are you seriously not aware of what was going on in our rear in the same 1944? Remember at least the classics - Bogomolov with his "In August forty-fourth". German encircled people were in our rear in small groups to the regiment (and with heavy weapons), German DRG, Ukrainian nationalists in groups before the battalion, Polish nationalists ... in April 1944, an entire front commander died in the rear of his own front, being ambushed.
          1. 0
            21 November 2018 15: 48
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Are you seriously not aware of what was happening in our rear areas in the same 1944?

            Look at my comment below, I know. But I also know that even in 1944 they tried to persistently use armored trains not for protecting railway communications, but for combat operations. And just what did armored trains do during the three years of war, BEFORE 1944, when there was no such need to protect the rear and when they suffered the main losses? Did they also protect the rear from anti-Soviet partisans? No, they even tried to close gaps in the defense with them, just like in the civil war...

            It’s just that I am categorically not only against the use of obviously outdated equipment in modern warfare, but also the promotion of an obviously obsolete branch of the military as an effective means of combat.
    2. 0
      20 November 2018 20: 51
      Ratnik, you are partly right: the Germans willingly used our captured armored trains. For example, they restored the "Zheleznka" and used it.
      Their industry could not or did not have time to develop their own model of an armored train.
      The authors, and you can’t at least give an overview: what was the situation with BP in other countries? I believe that they didn’t have a BP: the English, the Americans, the Belgians, the French, perhaps the Poles had?
      1. +1
        20 November 2018 22: 38
        Greetings!
        Quote: vladcub
        ...... I believe that the BP did not have: English, Americans, Belgians, French,?
        You will probably be very surprised if you type "first armored trains" into a search engine. I don't think I need to retell what I learned this way. I have long hoped that articles on the topic of earlier armored trains may appear.
        By the way, I wrote to you the other day .....
      2. -1
        21 November 2018 11: 33
        Quote: vladcub
        Ratnik, you are partly right: the Germans willingly used our captured armored trains. For example, they restored "Zheleznka" and used it.
        Their industry could not or did not have time to develop their own model of an armored train.

        No, they did - see my diagram above. It's just that these were mostly some "modifications on the knee", from captured property, which was quite enough for them for anti-partisan actions. They did not throw away production resources to continue the development of an obviously obsolete type of troops, they simply used what they captured wisely, sometimes supplementing it with their own.

        In the Red Army, they raved about the experience of the Civil War, when armored trains were an important force, and therefore could not abandon them (and there would be more confusion if the available resources were thrown to create the same sanitary trains).

        A rare photo of the Civil War era - the White Guard armored train "Prince of Moscow Ivan Kalita".

        According to past experience, the Red commanders tried to use armored trains in the Second World War not for counterguerrilla actions (in the absence of such, excluding Western Ukraine), but for solving front-line tasks, sometimes even operational, which simply led to train deaths.

        Soviet armored train "For the Motherland!", Destroyed on July 15, 1942 in the area of ​​modern Luhansk by the Luftwaffe.
        1. 0
          24 November 2018 14: 55
          So let's not forget that BP in different periods of the war also performed different tasks, which is indirectly confirmed even by the figures of losses: in the years 1941–43 units, in 42–45 units, in 43 - 2 units, 44-45 - there were no losses .
          Those. when the BP was used in a complex manner, they incurred much less losses., at the beginning of the war, it was different, only the BP remained, and went to save the Motherland, alas, it did not always succeed ...
  9. 0
    20 November 2018 14: 54
    But that's not the point, if anything, is it? The bottom line is that the crew of the Soviet armored train "Ilya Muromets" destroyed a German armored train.
    ,,, and this fact ,,




    Front order
    No.: 11/n From: 14.06.1944/47/XNUMX VS XNUMXA
  10. +1
    20 November 2018 15: 34
    Thank! Interesting! And the chronicle of the battle between armored trains is even better than a fairy tale! wink
  11. +1
    20 November 2018 20: 36
    I look forward to the continuation. The topic seems to be known, and at the same time almost unknown.
    Dear authors, I came across the following information: in the war for armored trains and heavy-loaded trains, the translations of "Sergo Ordzhonikidze" were used, and for the delivery of troops from the Far East and Siberia, I translate: "Felix DZERZHINSKY" and its modification: "IS". You're talking about "Sheep". Could you tell us more about these steam locomotives?
    Actually, the paravozer in the Second World War had to work to the satisfaction of
    1. 0
      20 November 2018 22: 29
      Quote: vladcub
      You're talking about "Sheep".
      Svyatoslav, you asked a very voluminous question only about the locomotives of the "O" series of modifications, more than 9000 pieces were produced. The most common modifications of Ades; Ov; Steam locomotives of the "O" series ("Main Freight Locomotive") with a double expansion machine ("Compound") of saturated steam were built from 1897 to 1928. at all steam locomotive plants in Russia and operated until the 1960s.
      "In the 1890s, steam locomotives were still very imperfect - this was the beginning of the "steam locomotive era". They ran on wood or coal and released a huge cloud of smoke." V.A. Rakov wrote in most detail about Russian Railways locomotives. Domestic railway locomotives. 1845-1955gg. About steam locomotives. Under the same name only 1956-1975gg. About other types of locomotives. Steam locomotives of the FD (freight) and IS (passenger) series were created for heavily loaded directions of the Ministry of Railways, as Russian Railways was then called, and primarily for the Trans-Siberian Railway. Bamlag with management in the city of Svobodny, primarily dealt with the expansion and increase in the capacity of the Trans-Siberian Railway, since already during the relocation of heavy coastal artillery on railway transporters (12th brigade of railway artillery.)
      In 1932-1934, large-scale railway construction was launched to meet the needs of the coastal defense of the MSDV. First of all, the operational branches of the VUR were built. First of all, the railway line Gniloy Ugol - Ulysses Bay was laid, where it was planned to place the batteries of the 5th railway artillery division to protect the approaches to the Eastern Bosphorus Strait from the Ussuri Bay. The Gniloy Ugol - Ploshchadka station (located near Tikhaya Bay in the Obyasheniya River valley) branch was laid. Construction of a railway artillery base was underway in the upper reaches of the Pervaya Rechka valley, where the so-called Military Branch of the former Vladivostok Fortress had been laid before the revolution. For the maneuver of heavy artillery systems, the "Comrade Stalin" tunnel was built between Ploshchadka station (the "Gniloy Ugol" position) and the base on Pervaya Rechka. Initially, all work was carried out by the Office of the Chief of Works of the Baikal-Amur Mainline (UNR BAM). In 1933, they were transferred to the established trust "Dalstroyput". To speed up construction, about 1933 soldiers of the 1100th, 4th and 5th railway regiments of the 6st Brigade of the Special Railway Corps were involved in this work in January 1. In 1934, all work was completely taken over by the Special Railway Corps under the command of Ya.Ya.Latsis. http://www.kfss.ru/index.php/objekts/309-zhdau Delivery of submarines Shch and M and Leningrad from Nikolaev for completion at Dalzavod on railway transporters
      This is about increasing the capacity of the Trans-Siberian Railway.
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        21 November 2018 08: 23
        Quote: Amurets
        This is about increasing the capacity of the Trans-Siberian Railway.
        For driving heavy trains, on reinforced sections of the track, powerful steam locomotives of the FD series were used with a load of 20 tons from the axle on the rails.
        Since 1933, construction of powerful steam locomotives of type 1-5-1 of the FD series began in the new shops of the reconstructed Lugansk steam locomotive plant, but the remaining steam locomotive plants and old shops of the Lugansk plant continued to produce steam locomotives of the E series, the design of which was already outdated by this time. From Wiki. According to the memoirs of Virolainen, a prominent engineer and head of the Turksib locomotive service, Turksib was designed for diesel traction. Lack of water to power boilers, defects of EG steam locomotives were built in Germany (the Germans used steel with a high phosphorus content that burst in the cold for boiler furnaces) and forced to create a new steam locomotive with the dimensions of an E-series steam locomotive, but use a tender capacitor to save water. On steam locomotives of the СО-17 series; СО-18 many new technical solutions were used. And again, V.A. Rakov, Locomotives of the domestic railways of 1845-1955.
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    24 November 2018 20: 05
    Dear authors!
    Is there an opportunity at the end of this article to place links in the ideal version for the entire Beppo cycle?
    Thank you!
    Sincerely.
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    25 January 2019 11: 15
    I, as a native of our great city of Murom, especially enjoy reading this! Although, I admit, I have already heard and read from fifty different versions of this battle! Thank !
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    29 January 2021 14: 17
    My great-grandfather served on "Kozma Minin". There was a little book read "31 special" in one of the photos he was standing. It’s a strange feeling, I didn’t find him alive, but when I looked at the photo, it’s as if it weren’t long ago.