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Peskov: It is impossible to conclude separate deals on Kuriles

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A spokesman for the Russian president commented on the situation regarding the South Kuriles issue. Recall that earlier, Vladimir Putin, while in Singapore, said that Russia would proceed on the issue of signing a peace treaty with Japan from the Soviet-Japanese declaration on 1956, the implementation of which in Tokyo, as we know, was immediately refused.


Peskov: It is impossible to conclude separate deals on Kuriles


Under an agreement more than half a century ago, the USSR considered the question of transferring the South Kuril Islands - Shikotan and Habomai under the Japanese jurisdiction 2 - in case of signing a peace treaty on the conditions that Japan respects military neutrality and does not deploy foreign military bases on its territory . Today in Japan, several US military bases, and the US military infrastructure in the Land of the Rising Sun is only expanding.

Dmitry Peskov's comment on this issue leads Russia-1:
Certainly, a compromise will be required that will not conflict with the national interests of either side.


According to Peskov, there can be no “separate deals” in the Kuril issue by definition.

Sands:
Adoption of the 1956 declaration of the year does not automatically mean the transfer of the two islands of Japan. The question of the deployment of US military bases in the event of transfer (Shikotan and Habomai) is important here.


Earlier in Tokyo, they “assured” that in case of “receiving” the two islands, American bases would not be placed under their jurisdiction. It would be as if the United States is really interested in Tokyo’s opinion as to exactly where it is to deploy its military facilities.
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  1. Underwater hunter
    Underwater hunter 18 November 2018 19: 19
    +71
    One gets the feeling that nevertheless the two islands are going to give up .. but why, what difference does it make for us in what state Japan is with us .. they will not calm down on the two islands and will continue to buzz ..
    1. Kostyar
      Kostyar 18 November 2018 19: 22
      +45
      For centuries, they have been collecting land, they are just squandering ...
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 18 November 2018 19: 26
        -11
        Actually, a contract of 56 years. Also Putin is to blame?
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 18 November 2018 19: 46
          +16
          Actually, a contract of 56 years
          Actually, you can either take a contract or make a new one
          1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
            Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 18 November 2018 19: 58
            +65
            At the negotiations in 1905 S. Witte tried to preserve the rights to Sakhalin under the 1875 treaty, but he heard from the head of the Japanese delegation: "The war negates all treaties. You were defeated and let's proceed from the current situation." Words of wisdom. We must repeat them now for Abe.
            Quote from the article:
            By agreement more than half a century ago, the USSR considered the issue of transferring the South Kuril Islands — Shikotan and Habomai — to the Japanese jurisdiction of 2 in the case of signing a peace treaty on the conditions that Japan maintains military neutrality and does not deploy military bases of foreign states on its territory

            Khabomai is not an island, but the Small Kuril ridge consisting of more than 30 islands. And Russia does not have such an island, Khabomai, there is a Small Kuril ridge. It is because of such victims of the USE that we have German tanks on postcards for veterans, maps of Russia without Crimea, the Kuril Islands and Kaliningrad.
            1. japs
              japs 18 November 2018 21: 22
              +53
              Dear Aristarkh Ludwigovich, as a person born in Yuzhno-Kurilsk, I categorically do not understand why anyone even raises the issue of transferring islands?
              For the sake of a peace treaty? In order to satisfy the pride of a couple of samurai?
              As the country of Victory in the Great Patriotic War, we owe nothing to anyone at all!
              Let Japan calm down and rejoice that, according to the Potsdam Agreement, the Russian Federation does not require her to be released and move off from about. Hokkaido
          2. Machito
            Machito 18 November 2018 20: 21
            +29
            Kemsk volost. I. Y.
            Such issues with the cannabis are not resolved.
            Something the Japanese did not intend to return to South Sakhalin to us, we had to knock them in the ass with our knees.
            Over the past hundred years, the Japanese have suddenly attacked us four times. They captured both Sakhalin and Vladivostok.
            Only in 1945 did we put Japan in its place. Although we should have occupied Hokkaido.
            There is a bit too much aggression from a small friendly country in such a short time.
            Japan has a good appetite, only its teeth are rotten. So, to hell with them, not the Kuril Islands.
        2. ANCIENT
          ANCIENT 18 November 2018 19: 50
          -4
          in general, the USSR does not exist, and that treaty is simply null and void due to the complete absence on the planet of one of the signatory countries of this treaty.
          1. Sands Careers General
            Sands Careers General 18 November 2018 20: 08
            +11
            in general, the USSR does not exist, and that treaty is simply null and void

            Oh well, Russia is the successor of the Soviet Union, this time, legal force has no statute of limitations, these are two, including in connection with the death of people and the reform of the countries that signed them. Ask a lawyer you know, you will learn a lot.
            There are many agreements on the planet that are hundreds of years old, and what should they be canceled?
            1. Machito
              Machito 18 November 2018 20: 25
              +22
              The Americans, and the Japanese too, spit on the contracts, and we will observe the lines when no one signed the contract?
              Do not tell my horseshoes.
              They get a donut hole, not Volodya Sharapova.
            2. Vita vko
              Vita vko 18 November 2018 20: 29
              +27
              Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
              Russia is the successor of the Soviet Union, this time, legal force has no statute of limitations, these are two, including in connection with the death of people and the reform of the countries that signed them

              For example, you give the US treaties that have emerged from half of the existing international agreements. And if it is profitable for them, they will leave all the others. Talking about the inviolability of international legal norms in the modern world can be either blind or a hypocrite. And if we talk about Japan, then after capitulation in 1945, it formally became a colony of the United States and this country will not have its own sovereignty until the American occupation ends. Therefore, concluding any agreements with puppets of the American government is at least stupid. Moreover, even hypothesizing the possibility of territorial concessions on the part of Russia is treason and betrayal.
              1. Sands Careers General
                Sands Careers General 18 November 2018 20: 56
                +3
                if we talk about Japan, then after capitulation in 1945 it formally became a US colony and this country will not have its own sovereignty until the American occupation ends.


                And why should I explain the obvious things?

                And the fact that "if it is profitable for them, they will come out" is a lie. So far, the Yankees are forced to abide by the rules of the game and the appearance of decency. With the weaker they can afford a lot, with equals they are already forced to negotiate on certain conditions. And there are more and more equals.

                And yes, no one will concede anything, on equal terms. I'm talking about the islands.
                1. NG inform
                  NG inform 19 November 2018 00: 30
                  +4
                  The Yankees have no equal, they are the coolest and made this fact their fascist ideology.
                  And the islands seem to want to give back, because Now the authorities are intensely engaged in expanding the overtone window.
            3. Стена
              Стена 18 November 2018 20: 47
              +10
              The Americans are withdrawing from treaties that they consider unprofitable and feel somehow good.
            4. Gardamir
              Gardamir 18 November 2018 21: 26
              +8
              successor to the Soviet Union, this time, legal force has no statute of limitations
              That is, they will not raise the retirement age? And in Tuapse I will go on a union permit? and in schools the National Guard will not stand? Or are you like a movie? There is a contract. but there is no contract?
              1. not main
                not main 18 November 2018 22: 35
                +4
                Quote: Gardamir
                successor to the Soviet Union, this time, legal force has no statute of limitations
                That is, they will not raise the retirement age? And in Tuapse I will go on a union permit? and in schools the National Guard will not stand? Or are you like a movie? There is a contract. but there is no contract?

                "They mixed in a heap, horses people"! And we also have the National Guard, not the National Guard!
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 19 November 2018 17: 07
                  -1
                  And we have the Russian Guard, and not the National Guard!
                  Do not watch TV, but read the documents!
                  1. Gardamir
                    Gardamir 19 November 2018 18: 17
                    0
                    read the documents!
                    Here is a link to a document that in Russia the National Guard
                    http://legalacts.ru/doc/federalnyi-zakon-ot-03072016-n-226-fz-o/
          2. Non liberoid Russian
            Non liberoid Russian 18 November 2018 20: 25
            +3
            Quote: ANCIENT
            in general, the USSR does not exist, and that treaty is simply null and void due to the complete absence on the planet of one of the signatory countries of this treaty.
            another pearl from the earring)))) it is strange that this time without errors ... before belching something seemingly "smart" at least the materiel of the subject studied
          3. NordUral
            NordUral 18 November 2018 21: 29
            +10
            Wrong position, albeit understandable. The USSR did not give, and the successor of the Russian Federation should not give. I just read a very convincing argument in the comments:

            At the negotiations in 1905 S. Witte tried to preserve the rights to Sakhalin under the 1875 treaty, but he heard from the head of the Japanese delegation: "The war negates all treaties. You were defeated and let's proceed from the current situation." Words of wisdom. We must repeat them now for Abe.
            And not only to the Japanese.
        3. PalBor
          PalBor 18 November 2018 20: 11
          +23
          I note the islands it turns out: eight large (and not two) and a number of small ones. And in 1956, a declaration was concluded, not a treaty, the difference is huge. The Nippons refused the contract, so that is where they are dear. No islands.
          And under such conditions we do not need a contract. Somehow without him ...
        4. Ivan Ivanov
          Ivan Ivanov 18 November 2018 20: 18
          +15
          Quote: Muvka
          Actually, a contract of 56 years. Also Putin is to blame?

          The elite of the Soviet past is briskly trampling, but the declaration of 56 is suddenly a model.
        5. Стена
          Стена 18 November 2018 20: 45
          +9
          Not a contract, but a declaration. Do not confuse anyone here.
        6. private person
          private person 18 November 2018 20: 50
          +32
          After the promise of GDP not to raise the retirement age, it is hard to believe that the Kuril Islands will remain part of Russia.
          1. NG inform
            NG inform 19 November 2018 00: 31
            -17
            He didn’t raise it for too long. It was necessary to do this 10 years ago, but he pulled everything.
            1. Lyuba1965_01
              Lyuba1965_01 19 November 2018 09: 06
              0
              But he doesn’t pull the oligarchs with help, he does it quickly. Well done, that’s our GDP!
            2. notingem
              notingem 19 November 2018 09: 15
              +3
              Nikita You sometimes think about what you write. There are few liberals and idiots in
              1. NG inform
                NG inform 19 November 2018 13: 51
                -5
                Well then - see how many cons. There are not many adequate people here.
                1. notingem
                  notingem 19 November 2018 15: 40
                  +1
                  Hamlo YOU ​​are Nikita
                  1. NG inform
                    NG inform 21 November 2018 18: 50
                    0
                    I do not respect stupid people.
        7. Evgeniy667b
          Evgeniy667b 19 November 2018 00: 29
          +12
          Muvka (Vladimir) , do you think not? Yes, the agreement was concluded in 1956 with the participation of the vain Khrushchev, who also moaned Stalin. Iosif Vissarionovich did not consider this option at all. None of the subsequent leaders had even thought to reassess the results of the Second World War. But the current guarantor has been pursuing his own selfish interests and those of his loyal circle for many years now. The islands will simply be brought under the law on TORs, as was done in the Baikal region. Formally, they will remain ours, but in fact Japanese. The Japanese will put their administration there, the law permits it, and then it will deduce it as a curve. In addition, fertile soil is being created for an unprincipled generation that will seep into power, such as "Kolya from Urengoy". Then there will still be. Russia's answer can only be tough NO without any circles there, otherwise nothing good can be expected.
          1. asv363
            asv363 19 November 2018 03: 10
            +2
            There is no agreement between the USSR and Japan of 1956.
        8. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 19 November 2018 05: 32
          0
          Quote: Muvka
          Actually, a contract of 56 years. Also Putin is to blame?

          Blame the Communist Party. She, as the legal successor of the CPSU, does not want to declare Khrushchev a traitor and an enemy of the people. They simply wanted to throw Khrushchev in that agreement, because the Americans did not have signatures on that agreement, and talk about their base
        9. kuznec
          kuznec 19 November 2018 06: 27
          +1
          Quote: Muvka
          Actually, a contract of 56 years.

          Actually, not a contract, but a declaration, which de facto does not oblige to anything.
          And most importantly, somewhere I read - the point is not in the islands themselves, but in the fact that their transfer changes the status of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk from the internal sea of ​​the Russian Federation to international. Who wants a US fleet in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk?
          If the islands give up, even one - they are traitors.
          1. ghby
            ghby 19 November 2018 11: 16
            0
            Quote: kuznec
            And most importantly, somewhere I read - the point is not in the islands themselves, but in the fact that their transfer changes the status of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk from the internal sea of ​​the Russian Federation to international. Who wants a US fleet in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk?

            not read correctly, there is a picture above with islands you can see.
        10. kuz363
          kuz363 19 November 2018 08: 03
          0
          This is actually a memorandum, not a treaty. Which is optional.
        11. georggy
          georggy 19 November 2018 08: 08
          0
          Today it can already be put to any working wall.
      2. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 18 November 2018 19: 51
        +21
        Quote: Bone
        For centuries, they have been collecting land, they are just squandering ...

        In-in, beggars of all stripes are already sick! am Give one to the Kuril Islands, return the second whine to Crimea, we won’t ...., send everything to anal, you can do it in bulk, you can individually, you won’t get enough of the Russian land! negative
        1. Underwater hunter
          Underwater hunter 18 November 2018 19: 54
          +18
          Quote: Major Yurik
          Give one to the Kuril Islands, return the second whine to Crimea, we won’t ...., send everything to anal, you can do it in bulk, you can individually, you won’t get enough of the Russian land!

          And after all, every 100 years we give them 2 meters per person and they won’t calm down in any way ..
        2. Machito
          Machito 18 November 2018 20: 26
          +10
          Russia has enough land to bury all its enemies.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 18 November 2018 22: 52
            +8
            Quote: Bearded
            Russia has enough land to bury all its enemies.

            land should serve as intended, not for enemy cemeteries
          2. georggy
            georggy 19 November 2018 08: 10
            +2
            Who will bury? There will be no one left.
          3. private person
            private person 19 November 2018 15: 26
            +1
            At that pace of efforts of our leadership in Russia, soon there will be no one left who will be able to bury. We’ll die out ourselves.
      3. LeonidL
        LeonidL 19 November 2018 01: 41
        -2
        Forgot about Crimea, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Donbass ... a chicken pecking
        1. Mr Credo
          Mr Credo 19 November 2018 02: 01
          +2
          So we have an eagle on the coat of arms! Or chopped chicken? Che then we do not understand the symbolism if a chicken pecks a grain of it. Or did the eagles eat a grain? Or chopped chicken so that the grain does not peck?
        2. georggy
          georggy 19 November 2018 08: 13
          +1
          Forgot about Crimea, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Donbass ... a chicken pecking

          This is a grandmother for two said ................. it is not known what they can throw out tomorrow.
    2. DMB 75
      DMB 75 18 November 2018 19: 26
      +28
      Quote: Underwater Hunter
      they will not calm down on the two islands and will continue to buzz ..

      Then do not buzz, but they will demand that they give a finger to the giver, usually .. I hope this does not come to this.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 18 November 2018 19: 34
        +10
        Quote: DMB 75
        Then do not buzz, but they will demand that they give a finger to the giver, usually .. I hope this does not come to this.

        Not any fingers and hands! An inaccessible carrot will loom in front of the Tokyo nose - the Americans will not leave Japan under any sauce. So, do not see Tokyo Kuril Islands, as their ears!
      2. Egorovich
        Egorovich 18 November 2018 19: 35
        +7
        The Japanese can get these islands only under one condition - when their slanting eyes are rounded. From this the conclusion follows - never.
      3. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 18 November 2018 20: 09
        +15
        Quote: DMB 75
        Then do not buzz, but they will demand that they give a finger to the giver, usually .. I hope this does not come to this.

        No one DO NOT GIVE ANYTHING! Almost all Eastern European countries fell under the US and NATO. The former republics of the Union, nurtured after the war, did not give a damn about Russia and are just as eager to go there, in pursuit of the "golden calf"!
        Japan is generally the eternal enemy of Russia, so why should they believe that ?!
        1. Mr Credo
          Mr Credo 19 November 2018 03: 08
          +1
          Well, and Russia since the days of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, too, is eager to go there! And Putin talks about it. It is necessary to integrate into the global economy! So we blame the neighbors for what we do ourselves! They cannot integrate, but Russia needs!
      4. Стена
        Стена 18 November 2018 20: 51
        +1
        So they say it openly. It seems that for 70 years they did not recognize the Baltic states as part of the USSR and as a result they regained it. We will not recognize Crimea, and in the end we will return it back.
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      1. NordUral
        NordUral 18 November 2018 21: 33
        +10
        Alexander! And what else to expect from thieves and traffickers in power?
    4. den3080
      den3080 18 November 2018 20: 51
      +22
      Treaties, gentlemen's agreements ...
      I watched the broadcast on the box as Nicholas I came to the "Englishwoman" and discussed the fate of Turkey, the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles.
      Frankly, directly, in Russian. And ... got a full understanding, support and all the best that could be expected.
      Hands shook tightly. Gentlemen. They did not sign the papers. What for??? Stronger than a gentleman's agreement, what could be?
      The result - the Crimean War, the defense of Sevastopol, the Anglo-French occupation forces in Crimea ...
      Bear Mark also passed all the allies under a gentleman's agreement. Borya the drunkard ... listen to his overseas speeches ... friend Bill, gentlemen ...
      How long will our rulers conduct these wiring and give away “zafuk” everything that has been collected for centuries?
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 18 November 2018 21: 34
        +6
        den3080! Till our!? the rulers will be conducted on these wiring and give "zafuk" all that has been going for centuries?
        1. Evgeniy667b
          Evgeniy667b 19 November 2018 00: 47
          +7
          The current rulers are the same agents of influence as their godfather - EBN, they just created a good alibi for themselves. It's like a wolf hiding in sheep's clothing.
    5. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 18 November 2018 22: 24
      +1
      if you carefully read the conversation about the base in general throughout Japan. Of course, they put conditions that they will not fulfill. ordinary games.
    6. Dzungar
      Dzungar 19 November 2018 06: 56
      +1
      ".... By an agreement more than half a century ago, the USSR considered the issue of transferring under Japanese jurisdiction 2 islands of the South Kuriles - Shikotan and Habomai - in the event of a peace treaty being signed on the conditions that Japan maintains military neutrality and does not deploy military bases of foreign states on its territory..... "What problems ...? Japan fulfills this clause, and a peace treaty is concluded. The question is, when will Japan fulfill this clause ..? The answer is NEVER .. So there will be NO peace treaty and the transfer of islands ... You have already given something to someone here already
    7. volot-voin
      volot-voin 19 November 2018 09: 18
      +1
      Quote: Underwater Hunter
      they will not calm down on the two islands and will continue to buzz ..

      Of course. Further - more, Sakhalin will also be requested. They will remember that in 1905, we are talking about ..... half of Sakhalin. All talk about transferring the land of Russia to anyone is unconstitutional and is a national betrayal, or a betrayal of national interests.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 18 November 2018 19: 21
    +38
    Commentary by Dmitry Peskov on this issue leads Russia-1:
    Certainly, a compromise will be required that will not conflict with the national interests of either side.

    Listening to Peskov, I just want to swear ... and so this person twists to justify the transfer of the two islands to the Japanese ... if not automatic then it will be non-automatic ... since you are discussing this topic at all ... they want to do the trick again as it was with Damansky.
    Mr. Peskov shove your compromise in one place.
    I am sure that the Kremlin elite is looking for a way to do this so as not to cause discontent among the people on this issue.
    I have already spoken out about this and firmly say once again that no transfer of islands to the Japanese should be neither automatic, nor semi-automatic, nor separate.
    I don’t believe here either Putin or Peskov ... enough for us to powder our brains.
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 18 November 2018 19: 26
      +12
      Darken ours. another hpp?
      1. gig334
        gig334 18 November 2018 19: 53
        +4
        Quote: dr.star75
        Darken ours. another hpp?
        if they give the islands back then it’s not ours.
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 18 November 2018 19: 55
          +4
          Mundial is not planned in the near future?
          1. Sofievka
            Sofievka 19 November 2018 09: 07
            +1
            New Year's Eve, all at once
    2. Alexey Novikov
      Alexey Novikov 18 November 2018 19: 34
      -14
      > I am sure that the Kremlin elite is looking for a way to do this so as not to displease the people on this issue

      And if you don’t give it back, will you always leave here?
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 18 November 2018 19: 37
        +14
        And if you don’t give it back, will you always leave here?

        Dreaming ... in spite of you I will be sitting here. smile
        1. Alexey Novikov
          Alexey Novikov 18 November 2018 19: 37
          -16
          I understand that among the white-tape ones it’s somehow not accepted to answer for your words.
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          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 18 November 2018 19: 49
            +17
            belolentochny
            Isn't that you? You and the Olympics under the white flag, you and the islands also ...
            1. Alexey Novikov
              Alexey Novikov 18 November 2018 22: 19
              -5
              Let’s not translate the arrows, we all know that half of VO are come-and-go puppies who mimic Russian patriots.
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 18 November 2018 22: 58
                +3
                Quote: Alexey Novikov
                Let’s not translate the arrows, we all know that half of VO are come-and-go puppies who mimic Russian patriots.

                Well?
        2. poquello
          poquello 18 November 2018 21: 09
          -9
          Quote: The same Lech
          And if you don’t give it back, will you always leave here?

          Dreaming ... in spite of you I will be sitting here. smile

          kaneshno daragoy, I’m trying the second time to put a minus, and the site instead drives the pluses
          1. Alexey Novikov
            Alexey Novikov 18 November 2018 22: 21
            -6
            This is a normal occurrence for a supposedly pro-Russian site. Here some white-winged puppies and puppy-wreckers gathered in large numbers, both in kamenty and in the authors.
            1. poquello
              poquello 18 November 2018 22: 41
              -7
              Quote: Alexey Novikov
              This is a normal occurrence for a supposedly pro-Russian site. Here some white-winged puppies and puppy-wreckers gathered in large numbers, both in kamenty and in the authors.

              no, ett you are fundamentally wrong, there are bourgeois here, of course, but in a small number, mainly fanatics of the USSR, Stalin and other communist views, therefore, it is no less habitual for them to water the current government into the habit of no less than the bourgeois
              1. tatra
                tatra 18 November 2018 23: 01
                +10
                Not "fanatics", but the only patriots of their country and people on the territory of the USSR. Because what the communists and their supporters did for their country and people is in everything BETTER for the country and the majority of the people, except for criminals and parasites, than the Romanovs and the bourgeois did, and even more so, the anti-Soviet clique, which ditched ALL the republics it captured The USSR, which robbed the country and the people of money, property, rights, social benefits, guaranteed by the communists work, history and culture, both Soviet and pre-revolutionary, capable only of raging against and cowardly whining "but we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists are to blame" , "and this was before us, we still disentangle it."
                1. poquello
                  poquello 18 November 2018 23: 26
                  -15
                  Quote: tatra
                  Not "fanatics", but the only patriots of their country and people on the territory of the USSR. Because what the communists and their supporters have done for their country and people is in everything BETTER for the country and the majority of the people

                  oh thanks for the 10 million deaths in civilian life, you take off your red blinders - in most issues there wasn’t much except red propaganda, it doesn’t happen that EVERYTHING and EVERYTHING is better, but there were few great people in Russia and there weren’t great communists, except for great ones Communists))))))))))))), Ekaterina won as Russia multiplied, and the Reds seized territories that they themselves and pumped
                  1. tatra
                    tatra 18 November 2018 23: 34
                    +14
                    HERE, again the eternal cowardice of the enemies of the Communists, and blaming the Communists for the guilt of their crimes. In their fantastic cowardice, meanness, the enemies of the Communists even reach complete irrationality.
                    They RECOGNIZE that after the October Revolution they created armed armies with the aim of overthrowing Soviet power, seizing the territories of Soviet Russia, killing the Bolsheviks and their supporters, they believe that they had every right to do all this, BUT they still whine in a cowardly chorus “and we have nothing to do with it, it was the Bolsheviks who unleashed the Civil War, "
                    They dismembered it in Civic, with the support of the invaders of Russia, BUT they still whine in chorus "and we have nothing to do with it, it was the communists who destroyed Russia."
                    And your comment in the eternal cowardly style of the enemies of the communists - always, when you write about YOU, when you compare YOU with the communists and their supporters - you always all act according to the same pattern of "defense by attack"
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 18 November 2018 23: 45
                      -14
                      Quote: tatra
                      after the October Revolution, armed armies were created to overthrow Soviet power

                      an armed coup, the shooting of the Tsar - the anointed of God (well, it was believed) - should the people clap together?
                      1. tatra
                        tatra 18 November 2018 23: 53
                        +11
                        Enough to lie, falsify history, concepts, definitions, and there is no need for obscurantism.
                        In October 1917 there was a socialist revolution, in 1991 - yours, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people - the counter-revolution, in order to return capitalism, gentlemen, the richest power and the Church, a System with a huge gap between the people, and worthless parasites on the neck of the people, a wretched raw-imported the economy.
                        By the time of the execution, Nicholas II had been just a citizen of Romanov for a year and a half, and your priests issued a joyful Appeal to the people on his abdication with the words "God's will has been accomplished, Russia has embarked on a new path."
                        The enemies of the Communists on the territory of the USSR have a mental tendency to betray their country and people, those who believe them, each other.
                      2. poquello
                        poquello 19 November 2018 00: 03
                        -7
                        Quote: tatra
                        By the time of the execution, Nicholas II was already a year and a half as a citizen of Romanov

                        even now he is not just a citizen, and who falsifies the concepts? and I wouldn’t want the people to fight in the white army - I wouldn’t fight, the civil war split the society, but revolutionaries INCLUDED the Communists
                      3. tatra
                        tatra 19 November 2018 00: 09
                        +6
                        HERE, again, the cowardly blaming the Communists for the crimes of the enemies of the Communists in front of their country and people.
                        YOU unleashed the Civil War in Soviet Russia, in which millions of Russian people died, millions of YOU together with the Nazis attacked the USSR and killed 26 million Soviet people.
                        And these monstrous crimes of yours against your country and people, your collaboration in the Civil and Great Patriotic War, you easily justify by the fact that you did not like the power, you see.
                      4. poquello
                        poquello 19 November 2018 00: 15
                        -9
                        Quote: tatra
                        HERE, again cowardly stall

                        Where? Citizen Romanov, the former Tsar and the anointed of God who shot? Who seized power with weapons?
                      5. tatra
                        tatra 19 November 2018 00: 27
                        +8
                        And what, why is he so special? Only by the fact that he was shot by the Bolsheviks? After all, you enemies of the Communists have proven that you do not give a damn about all the murdered Romanovs, if they were NOT killed by the Bolsheviks, including Alexander II, who was killed by the revolutionaries.
                        You yourself shot the old Ceausescu shot under false and hypocritical accusations, and none of you said that their murder is a crime.
                      6. poquello
                        poquello 19 November 2018 00: 49
                        -6
                        Quote: tatra
                        And what, why is he so special? Just the fact that he was shot by the Bolsheviks?

                        oh, he is very special, but from many angles of view, in the context of the civil war, because for the people he was like all tsars special and the act of execution was a good motivator for resistance to Soviet power, we are considering the causes of the civil war, and if, for example, read the story of Wrangel for example, he did not immediately get involved in the war, but there were events that pushed him to choose, then that the revolution was not supported by the majority of society is a fact, otherwise there would be no protracted civilian or emigration. Ceausescu was shot by bastards and, whatever he was, and these bastards and then say "Wow" during the murders of Hussein and Gaddafi.
                      7. Mr Credo
                        Mr Credo 19 November 2018 03: 39
                        +6
                        Well, now tell us about the enlightened Europeans who chopped their heads to their kings? There, the Bolsheviks or the Communists led this process? But what about the terror against the Reds in the same Europe? Was this also controlled by the Bolsheviks?
                      8. poquello
                        poquello 19 November 2018 07: 47
                        -3
                        Quote: Mister Creed
                        Well, now tell us about the enlightened Europeans who chopped their heads to their kings?

                        by all means - cutting the heads of kings among enlightened Europeans had little effect on the split of Russian society in the course of the civil war)
                      9. Lyuba1965_01
                        Lyuba1965_01 19 November 2018 09: 10
                        +4
                        Do you think that the shooting of the king was just like that, with nothing to do?
                        It was a necessity.
                        With what slogans did the White Guards go? For the Tsar and the Fatherland.
                        Having killed the tsar, the Bolsheviks knocked out the soil from under their feet.
                        Otherwise, a civil war could drag on for years, if not decades, and there would be many more victims.
                      10. poquello
                        poquello 19 November 2018 09: 24
                        -1
                        Quote: Lyuba1965_01
                        Do you think that the shooting of the king was just like that, with nothing to do?
                        It was a necessity.
                        With what slogans did the White Guards go? For the Tsar and the Fatherland.
                        Having killed the tsar, the Bolsheviks knocked out the soil from under their feet.
                        Otherwise, a civil war could drag on for years, if not decades, and there would be many more victims.

                        ) Duc clear stump out of love for the people banged the bloodthirsty king, and there were few victims? it was worth it? - undermine the country to change power
                      11. Lyuba1965_01
                        Lyuba1965_01 19 November 2018 11: 47
                        +1
                        It is impossible to shatter that which stands firmly.
                        And it is possible to undermine what has already begun to rot.
                        In any case, for me the revolution is a blessing.
                        My father is from a large family, very poor. Tell me, what was his light during tsarism?
                        And during the Soviet Union, he received a military education, worked, and made good money. He received a free apartment from the state, although the old one (by the way, which was also obtained under Soviet power) was not bad.
                        Merchants, aristocrats and fists lost from the revolution.
                        And the common people, of whom there were much more than all these prosperous, taken together, acquired a lot.
                        There were a lot of gerves.
                        But it would have been much less if the White Guards had not been helped by the Entente, which they had called to restore the monarchical system.
                        So these "patriots" of French buns themselves called to Russia those who, during this "help" mercilessly robbed it, and at the same time killed civilians who were for the Bolsheviks.
                      12. poquello
                        poquello 19 November 2018 12: 25
                        -2
                        Quote: Lyuba1965_01
                        My father is from a large family, very poor. Tell me, what was his light during tsarism?

                        this is from the series "grandmother would have a member," I can say one thing - by the time of the revolution, there were serious progress towards improving the life of hard workers, and that there would have been someone who knows him, but you can look at the bourgeoisie, because Russia was in their line
                      13. Mr Credo
                        Mr Credo 19 November 2018 16: 55
                        -1
                        As far as I know, officers made a proposal for abdication. And in the Civil they were far from the king and autocracy.
                      14. poquello
                        poquello 19 November 2018 20: 30
                        0
                        Quote: Mr Credo
                        As far as I know, officers made a proposal for abdication. And in the Civil they were far from the king and autocracy.

                        where so much nonsense? officers in civilian comrades like the rest of society, and the decision to abdicate was caused by the desire to prevent blood and the pressure of widespread strikes organized by revolutionaries INCLUDING communists
                      15. Mr Credo
                        Mr Credo 19 November 2018 23: 51
                        0
                        Where did such nonsense rush from? Is it the Communists who created the Provisional Government? And what kind of mess went after the creation of the VP? This is when the temporary began to kill officers. Did the Bolsheviks give such orders? There were no other parties?
                      16. poquello
                        poquello 20 November 2018 00: 30
                        0
                        Quote: Mr Credo
                        Where did such nonsense rush from? Is it the Communists who created the Provisional Government? And what kind of mess went after the creation of the VP? This is when the temporary began to kill officers. Did the Bolsheviks give such orders? There were no other parties?

                        sometimes it’s useful to read what they write to you
                        Quote: poquello
                        the pressure of ubiquitous strikes organized by revolutionaries INCLUDING Communists
                      17. Alexey Novikov
                        Alexey Novikov 3 December 2018 16: 00
                        0
                        It was a necessity.
                        With what slogans did the White Guards go? For the Tsar and the Fatherland.
                        Having killed the tsar, the Bolsheviks knocked out the soil from under their feet.
                        That's right, the only thing that interested the Bolsheviks was power. And for the sake of this power they did not disdain to sign the shameful world, or kill millions of citizens.
                  2. Cottodraton
                    Cottodraton 19 November 2018 04: 34
                    +5
                    And you, too, "thank you" for the 10 million "who did not fit into the market" and also disappeared. If the communists got a country plundered by the nobles and weakened by the war, which they were able to raise, then on the contrary you got a country with a developed economy ... which you have safely ... ruined.
                    Do not you talk about millions here)
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 19 November 2018 08: 16
                      -1
                      Quote: Cottodraton
                      Communists got a country stolen by nobles and weakened by war

                      do not tell my slippers, one of the leading world powers before the revolution
                      1. Mr Credo
                        Mr Credo 19 November 2018 17: 00
                        -1
                        And how was it in such a developed country that there were so many poor and illiterate peasants? Why did the Reds teach the population to read and write if the country was so developed?
                      2. poquello
                        poquello 19 November 2018 20: 34
                        0
                        Quote: Mr Credo
                        And how was it in such a developed country that there were so many poor and illiterate peasants? Why did the Reds teach the population to read and write if the country was so developed?

                        like any literate communist, you do not distinguish the difference between "leading" and "developed", I am not so advanced and I think that these are different words
                      3. Mr Credo
                        Mr Credo 19 November 2018 23: 54
                        0
                        Although leading, even developed, but in any case, poverty and illiteracy are far from synonymous with leading and developed. It's like a beggar and illiterate oligarch!
                      4. poquello
                        poquello 20 November 2018 00: 24
                        0
                        Quote: Mr Credo
                        Although leading, even developed, but in any case, poverty and illiteracy are far from synonymous with leading and developed. It's like a beggar and illiterate oligarch!

                        sometimes good to read or at least chew
                        “On the eve of World War I, Russia was one of the main economic powers. She stood in fourth place among the five largest industrialized countries. The Russian Empire produced almost the same volume of industrial output as Austria-Hungary, and was the largest producer of agricultural goods in Europe. ”
                      5. Mr Credo
                        Mr Credo 20 November 2018 03: 44
                        0
                        With the main share of the rural population, the country certainly produced agricultural products the most. That's just a matter of performance and quality. How much fertilizer did they and we have? What a harvest they have and ours. The grain that we sold them was weedy and of poor quality. What equipment could our peasant buy?
                      6. Cottodraton
                        Cottodraton 20 November 2018 02: 57
                        +1
                        On the production of hemp?) Or maybe on the level of education?)
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 18 November 2018 21: 38
        +1
        Although I don’t have a question, I’ll answer if they don’t pass it - I’ll leave. But something tells me that they’ll either ban me at all, or I’ll be years old in 90.
        1. poquello
          poquello 18 November 2018 22: 45
          -4
          Quote: NordUral
          Although I don’t have a question, I’ll answer if they don’t pass it - I’ll leave. But something tells me that they’ll either ban me at all, or I’ll be years old in 90.

          how to paraphrase - "by that time either the site will die, or the opponent will leave"
    3. Sayan
      Sayan 18 November 2018 19: 35
      -5
      Do not forget about the general staff and the strategic importance of the islands - no one will give anything back, do not panic.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 18 November 2018 21: 39
        +5
        And what was given to the Norwegians in the Barents - is this a trifle for the General Staff?
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 18 November 2018 23: 10
          +3
          Quote: NordUral
          Norwegians were given in the Barents

          Oh, trouble-trouble ... Yes, where so much from? !!! Not one, but another ... wassat Poor, miserable, worn-out water area ... And who only did not mention it in vain, without delving into the essence of that deal (and there are so many nishtyaks in return fellow ) ... laughing As for these "samurai dances" with the islands, once again among the local virtual population there is some kind of crazy hysteria from scratch. Of course, the media people here also trampled their feet, heating up the "product". Well, yell in the lobby? After all, nobody. Nobody. Nothing. Doesn't give. And never. Will not give up.
      2. Lyuba1965_01
        Lyuba1965_01 18 November 2018 21: 43
        +3
        They will give it back. I don’t know why and how the Japs bought them, but they will give it back exactly in the next few years.
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    5. Стена
      Стена 18 November 2018 20: 53
      +6
      Sand is nothing. But we do not believe Putin and his oligarchs, who determine his policy ..
    6. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 18 November 2018 22: 25
      -1
      then his job. please everyone.
    7. New Year day
      New Year day 18 November 2018 22: 53
      +7
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I am sure that the Kremlin elite is looking for a way to do this so as not to cause discontent among the people on this issue.

      you are not alone in your opinion
    8. Dzungar
      Dzungar 19 November 2018 06: 58
      0
      You have the same answer as the first to post here .... ".... By agreement more than half a century ago, the USSR considered the issue of transferring under Japanese jurisdiction 2 islands of the South Kuril Islands - Shikotan and Habomai - in the event of a peace treaty on the conditions that Japan maintains military neutrality and does not place military bases of foreign states on its territory ..... "What problems ...? Japan fulfills this clause, and a peace treaty is concluded. The question is - when will Japan fulfill this clause ..? The answer is NEVER .. So there will be NO peace treaty and the transfer of the islands .... You are here. have already given something to someone already
  3. Halado Romane
    Halado Romane 18 November 2018 19: 21
    +2
    I’m honestly wondering, when did Putin say that ?! What will he come from? It is the Japanese who suggested proceeding from this declaration. And Putin commented on this and said that many important points were not spelled out in this declaration ... What kind of comments are there about the Kremlin’s statements ???
  4. Sayan
    Sayan 18 November 2018 19: 22
    -10
    Well, gentlemen, the alarmists of the site, everything was explained very clearly to Yapam - we are ready for what you are not capable of)))))) - and then, here we started to crawl with dry soap on the belly))) even the ebn controlled by Washington was spinning like a flea on a comb, but he didn’t give up the Kuril Islands, and this one will never merge.
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      1. Halado Romane
        Halado Romane 18 November 2018 19: 54
        -1
        It is simply amazing, one thing is said, it is immediately shifted to another, they come from the third, commenting, as always in shock! They are white, they are gray! What an alternative reality!
        1. Alexey Novikov
          Alexey Novikov 18 November 2018 20: 01
          -12
          Five minuses clearly show that I'm right.
          1. Halado Romane
            Halado Romane 18 November 2018 20: 07
            -5
            Well, if people here who say that they will not give up the islands and are not going to call it pan-and-headed and desperately minus ... But those who say that they will give it all turn out to be real patriots, then I don’t know what to think ?! Patriots of whom and why ?! And the main thing is that Putin didn’t really say that he would come from some kind of declaration and would generally come from something !!!! Absolute Sur! Right now on Russia1 this topic will be voiced. Let's see the channel then the state ...
            1. Alexey Novikov
              Alexey Novikov 18 November 2018 20: 11
              +1
              The saucepans speak not because the islands will not be given away, but because Peskov is an eccentric with the letter "m", do not dare to squander OUR lands and, in general, the leadership simply thinks how to give it away so that the people do not start.
              1. Halado Romane
                Halado Romane 18 November 2018 20: 18
                -1
                Well, now they have shown once again what Putin specifically said! It was over - "especially since the Japanese themselves refused!" Meaning the gift of the USSR to two islands! Kiselev's comment- "and what weight do the Japanese assurances give us that there will be no US bases there?!?! Everyone knows perfectly well who is in charge of the American-Japanese alliance!"
                I don’t understand what else needs to be said or done to stop this hysteria here ?! Or is hysteria a normal condition here?
                1. Alexey Novikov
                  Alexey Novikov 18 November 2018 20: 21
                  -5
                  I did not say a word about Putin. It seems that you are talking with an imaginary interlocutor, but for some reason you are writing to me.
                  1. Halado Romane
                    Halado Romane 18 November 2018 20: 28
                    -1
                    I don’t mind you. You did not understand.
                2. Halado Romane
                  Halado Romane 18 November 2018 21: 49
                  +3
                  And what about the minuses did you get, sick ?! Silently! laughing Would you like Putin to give up the islands ?! If only you would turn around in the whole Ivanovo !!!!! Nooooo. Will not give up. In vain hope! You are not lucky. Fate
            2. Lyuba1965_01
              Lyuba1965_01 18 November 2018 21: 59
              -2
              "Abe and Putin agreed to build on the 1956 Soviet-Japanese Declaration. It states that after the conclusion of the peace agreement, Habomai and Shikotan will be handed over to Japan. This is an exclusive agreement that both countries have ratified and which has legal force.
              We cannot accept Putin’s statement that the subject of negotiations will be the sovereignty of the two islands. Russia illegally seized the original Japanese territories. In the upcoming negotiations, the Japanese government should not easily compromise.
              It is necessary to resolve the issue of sovereignty of the four islands and then sign a peace treaty. The government must adhere to this rule. The joint declaration should be the starting point for the return of all four islands, which Japan has insisted on for many years.
              Meanwhile, the reality also lies in the fact that there are more than ten thousand Russians living in the South Kuril Islands. The return procedure will take a lot of time.
              It is important for the government to find settlement methods that will suit both Russia and Japan. It is necessary to develop negotiations and explain what is happening to the Japanese.
              In addition to strong diplomacy, Japan needs an unshakable negotiating position. In order to deepen trusting relationships, it is also necessary to discuss specific steps to implement joint business activities.
              It is highly likely that Russia, which has deteriorated relations with the United States, will try to impose restrictions on the Japanese-American alliance. Fears are that Moscow may demand that the Japanese-American security agreement not apply to the returned islands. Any unfair demands that could harm the security of Japan should be rejected. "(Sankei Shimbun. InoSMI News.)

              And here is the "price" of these islands:
              The meeting with Putin last December in Abe Nagato’s hometown brought enormous changes. Suddenly, Japanese companies wanted to invest in a country where consumer demand is declining and where there is little chance of substantial growth. The Mitsui Group, which has universally become the Japanese pioneer in the Russian market, has announced the purchase of a 10% stake in the Russian company R-Pharm for an astonishing amount of $ 200 million. And Sojitz Corporation, with the support of the Japanese State Investment Fund, has shown interest in modernizing and managing the regional airport of the city of Khabarovsk, bordering China, in the Russian Far East, whose population is 600 thousand people. In addition, a group of well-known Japanese architects and urban planners, supported by a team of Japanese investors, announced their intention to turn the Voronezh regional center, located 500 kilometers from Moscow, into a pleasant, modern and comfortable city.

              And all political scientists note that, based on the facts, the fate of the islands was decided before Putin’s re-election. This was not announced before the election results.
              1. Halado Romane
                Halado Romane 18 November 2018 22: 04
                -1
                Who are all the political scientists ?! And the first text you quoted is what and where from ?! Kindly answer questions, and not throw in anything.
                1. Halado Romane
                  Halado Romane 18 November 2018 22: 18
                  -2
                  In general, I’ll open it, Lyuba, you have a very big secret! I’ll discard unnecessary modesty and discover, among the gypsies, I am the most noble and respected political scientist! Here from the whole gypsy people I declare with full responsibility that all islands are and will be Russian! If the Japanese continue to muddy the water, we will come and they will not only not be counted on their islands, but also a lot more! Do not know horses in Japan?
                  1. Lyuba1965_01
                    Lyuba1965_01 18 November 2018 22: 41
                    -1
                    Nobody will come there. And you are a bad gypsy. I can even prove that:

                    "It is fair to remember here that, despite all the complexities of the topic of a peace treaty with Japan, this issue can be resolved. Such complex topics can still be resolved, and this was shown, for example, by the experience of negotiations on territorial issues with China," - said the press secretary of the Russian president.
                    ("Vesti". November 18, 2018, 20:27.
                    https://vesti-ukr.com/mir/313274-v-rossii-rasskazali-chto-budet-s-kurilami?utm_source=gravitec&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=gravitec )
                    1. Halado Romane
                      Halado Romane 19 November 2018 05: 27
                      -1
                      So where does the text you quoted above come from ?! And "all political scientists" who is this ?! laughing
                2. Lyuba1965_01
                  Lyuba1965_01 18 November 2018 22: 39
                  -2
                  "Inosmi News" for today. Excerpts from the Japanese and American press. Unfortunately, this site has closed. If you are not too lazy, open and find.
                  1. Detective
                    Detective 19 November 2018 07: 42
                    -1
                    Aaaaaaaaaa ... Well, if the Japanese and American then of course !!! smile Probably inspire confidence in you ?! Lyuba, good morning. Commenting on this hysteria, as you actually understand, is not for serious people. The most important thing here is not the dispute, but the hysteria itself. If you wish, it will be possible later, after all, to refer to an inexperienced audience on a soooooooo heated discussion of the topic ... We’re not worth a price if we fall into the sediment for every information injection from our "well-wishers". Political engagement is another matter, of course! Yes !!! smile In short, this is not interesting to me. I was interested in something else - but why is Peter a bad gypsy ?! I'm somewhat in the subject and it became interesting to me. Tell me, please. You can in PM. We will ask Peter to keep silent modestly, the more he knows that I am on his side. I'm generally very glad that guys like him are. Well, tell me?
                    1. Lyuba1965_01
                      Lyuba1965_01 19 November 2018 09: 26
                      +1
                      Yes, he predicts something bad.
                      I judge not only by the news of InosMI.
                      Most of all I was guarded by Peskov's statement. He, of course, is not the mind of the chamber, but even he, with his meager mind, is clearly unforgivable to make such statements.
                      Suppose he blurted it out on his own. But not a single politician, not to mention the GDP, who is always trying to soften the crap voiced by Peskov and Medvedev, did not rush to refute his words.
                      And this all together gives confidence that the Kuril Islands will surrender.
                      The repetition of the situation with the PR, when all the deputies and "economists" said that it would be, albeit in mild terms, and the GDP was silent, also makes one think about it. There were heated debates about this in the Internet, but the GDP remained silent. GDP finished her off.
                      Honestly, all these battles about the Kuril Islands personally bring to mind one very interesting expression in my mind: "Overton's window".
                      We will now let off steam, make noise, this topic will become boring, there will be other reasons for disputes (life does not stand still), and the reaction of people to the surrender of the Kuril Islands will not be so violent.
                      In general, everything is the same as with PR and VAT. We spoke at rallies, collected signatures for submission to the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation and that's it. Resigned. And something about Internet pictures and cartoons - so who are they bothering? People splash out emotions, and let better here than the streets.
                      1. Detective
                        Detective 19 November 2018 09: 42
                        -1
                        And what Peskov said something so terrible I don’t understand? Literally - "... negotiations on a peace treaty with Tokyo will be conducted taking into account Japan's allied commitments ... this country's support for US sanctions against Russia cannot be ignored." What is being said here do you understand ?! Further - "... we see a large number ... of political conjectures that they say there is already some kind of separate deal ... this is not so and it cannot be so!" What might not suit you here? Peskov also said that in this matter a compromise would be required, which should not contradict the interests of Russia and Japan! So? Are Japan's allied interests with the United States at odds with Russia's interests? Sure! Are US bases contrary to Russia's interests? Certainly! Does Japan's support for the US sanctions policy towards Russia harm us? But what about? Well, let Japan deal with these problems ... winked What's wrong? What do you think will figure it out ?! Well, if they start, then this is generally wonderful. Let the US impose sanctions against Japan to begin with ... laughing
                      2. Lyuba1965_01
                        Lyuba1965_01 19 November 2018 09: 47
                        0
                        "It is fair to remember here that, despite all the complexities of the topic of a peace treaty with Japan, this issue can be resolved. Such complex topics can still be resolved, and this was shown, for example, by the experience of negotiations on territorial issues with China," - said the press secretary of the Russian president.
                        ("Vesti". November 18, 2018, 20:27.
                        https://vesti-ukr.com/mir/313274-v-rossii-rasskazali-chto-budet-s-kurilami?utm_source=gravitec&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=gravitec )

                        If Peskov did not say this, then a rebuttal would be published immediately, too serious and painful topic.
                      3. Detective
                        Detective 19 November 2018 10: 13
                        0
                        Lyuba, why think and invent ?! The issue was resolved with Crimea primarily due to the fact that the presence of an American base there is a direct threat to Russia's national security. The entry of US warships into the Sea of ​​Okhotsk without Russia's permission is no less a threat! What is the difference?! Are you happy with the transfer under the 1956 agreement? Will the communists settle this decision?
                      4. Lyuba1965_01
                        Lyuba1965_01 19 November 2018 10: 24
                        +1
                        Tell me, they asked you a lot what would suit you?
                        Perhaps they did this with Crimea because there was nothing to take from Ukraine. Nobody could have thought that the Crimea would return to Russia before the Maidan.
                        And as for the Kuril Islands ... why would Japan start making such investments in Russia that in this situation will not pay off very soon?
                        What hangover did Peskov make such a statement?
                        Why does Japan no longer just want and dream of these islands, but is already starting to think about politics with respect to the Russians who live there when the islands return to them?
                        Understand, individually, all these facts are trifles. But if you put them together, the picture is not very bright.
                        There are also examples of the surrender of our territory to Norway (where there are large deposits of oil and gas) and China. So there is a high probability that the islands will give up.
          2. NordUral
            NordUral 18 November 2018 21: 42
            +1
            I’m giving you a fat plus, Alexey. Although I have a ribbon - red, like the flag of my country.
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    2. StVahmistr
      StVahmistr 18 November 2018 23: 31
      +7
      but he didn’t give the Kuril Islands, and this one will never merge.
      The Kuril Islands were not allowed to be given to EBN, but about this - it was written with a pitchfork on the water. Pension age also promised not to raise. AND?
    3. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 19 November 2018 05: 22
      +2
      But how then to explain the drift of Ukraine towards our partners? What about Armenia? So the drain of the USSR is going on !? They themselves wanted !? Are we not guilty !? Well, if they allowed their partners to launch their hands on our territories, then who will believe that we are not to blame, and they themselves? Who will believe that America is afraid of us if it is in full swing at our outskirts? This is tantamount to Russia's presence in Mexico or Canada!
  5. 210ox
    210ox 18 November 2018 19: 22
    +24
    The word "compromise" is annoying .. What kind of compromise is possible regarding OUR territory?
    1. Underwater hunter
      Underwater hunter 18 November 2018 19: 24
      +14
      Quote: 210ox
      The word "compromise" is annoying .. What kind of compromise is possible regarding OUR territory?

      That's because of this word, I just got the feeling that two skeletons would still be given ..
    2. Alexey Novikov
      Alexey Novikov 18 November 2018 19: 40
      -16
      And the fact that the USSR was considering the possibility of transferring two islands of the USSR is this not bothering you? Or is the USSR possible because because?
      1. 210ox
        210ox 18 November 2018 19: 44
        +7
        The USSR considered the transfer of two islands on certain conditions. You know which ones.
        1. Alexey Novikov
          Alexey Novikov 18 November 2018 19: 53
          -7
          That is, then it was still possible to give OUR territories + conditions, and now - no? You somehow decide.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 18 November 2018 20: 55
            +6
            They certainly became ours. And about the declaration of that same year, here's what I will say. They proposed to conclude a peace treaty on certain conditions. The Japanese waved their tail. Yes and let. These islands are OURS since then.
            1. Alexey Novikov
              Alexey Novikov 18 November 2018 21: 55
              -4
              And, well, of course, only the USSR could compromise on the territories declared by its own, Russia was deprived of this right a priori.
          2. NordUral
            NordUral 18 November 2018 21: 44
            +4
            Alexey. You will study the problem, and then climb to point out errors to others.
      2. Стена
        Стена 18 November 2018 21: 04
        -3
        Was the USSR was one reality, 60 years have passed - another reality
        1. Sayan
          Sayan 18 November 2018 23: 15
          0
          The reality is the Russian islands and they will remain, and this is what follows from the statement of Putin and Peskov
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 19 November 2018 05: 24
      +1
      Quote: 210ox
      The word "compromise" is annoying .. What kind of compromise is possible regarding OUR territory?

      The fact that there should be no compromise on OUR territory is said by those who care about the future of the Fatherland. But, unfortunately, our opinion is not taken into account. We have already seen what trade-offs are reached in resolving issues of increasing VAT (who introduced it according to an enemy French model in 1991 still needs to be clarified), on setting prices for hydrocarbons, which are a public property, on the external and internal markets, and on raising salaries for doctors to 200% of the average for the region. And how cleverly they reached a compromise on the issue of the personal income tax progressive scale ... fellow
      No faith once betrayed! And even more so, his Chaldea with a watch for 37 million rubles ...
    4. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 19 November 2018 05: 28
      +1
      Well, they already said what. Our territories, their investments! Forward to the past! Like in the year 1855. And exactly 50 years later, all this uncompromisingly departed to Japan. Here, as with the Ulyanovsk airfield for NATO aircraft. We need a currency, and they pay us with bucks!
  6. Tersky
    Tersky 18 November 2018 19: 23
    +20
    It's time for the Japanese to remind that Japan signed in September 1945 the "Act on UNCONDITIONAL CAPITULATION" and explain that "Complete and unconditional surrender" means the termination of the existence of the subject of international relations, the dismantling of the former state as a political institution, the loss of its sovereignty and all powers that are the victorious powers, which themselves determine the conditions of peace and the post-war order and settlement. Well, and an unforgettable quote from their delegate ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 18 November 2018 19: 25
      +5
      And they have an agreement with fenders on military bases. Get out on your land, and then we'll talk.
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    2. Same lech
      Same lech 18 November 2018 19: 31
      +15
      It is time for the Japanese to remind that Japan signed in September 1945 the "Act of UNCONDITIONAL CAPITULATION" and explain that "Complete and unconditional surrender" means the termination of the existence of the subject of international relations,


      Yes, not the Japanese need to be reminded, but our presidents ...

      we must understand that in our history it was they who gave our territories to our neighbors without asking us ... that’s what annoys me in this whole story and now I have a strong distrust of the president in this matter, remembering how it happened in the past. hi
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 18 November 2018 20: 02
        +4
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Yes, not the Japanese need to be reminded, but our presidents ...
        And why, Shinzo Abe himself reminded of this ..
        «position of the Japanese governmentaccording to which a peace treaty between Japan and Russia should be concluded after the decision on the ownership of the four southern islands of the Kuril ridge, remains unchanged. About this, as the Kyodo agency reported on Wednesday following talks held in Singapore between Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and Russian President Vladimir Putin, Deputy Secretary General of the Cabinet of Ministers of Japan Kota Nogami told reporters. " “The consistent position of our country - a peace treaty is concluded after the decision on the ownership of the northern territories. And there are no changes on this item, " - quotes his news agency Kyodo. Although a reservation was made that he did not know about the content of the part of the negotiations where the leaders of the two states communicated only in the presence of translators. Thus, as REGNUM wrote, no changes were made in the position of the Japanese government. Tokyo still stubbornly demands that Moscow surrender to him not only the Khrushchev’s voluntarily “promised” islands of the Small Kuril Ridge, but also the largest and most developed islands of the Big Kuril Ridge - Kunashir and Iturup, demand that the Japanese have no legal and moral rights.
        The spears are broken, it's time to go home ... Alexey, hi !
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 19 November 2018 05: 26
        +1
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Yes, not the Japanese need to be reminded but to our presidents...

        Why are you talking about him in the plural? belay
    3. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 19 November 2018 05: 37
      +1
      They will answer too. You were defeated in the 90s! Let's start from the current situation! How much territory did the USSR lose after the defeat of the 90s? Does Russia Claim Lost Territories? No! And what for Russia the loss of several islands in comparison with the lost territories? Moreover, Japan also offers money to Russia! Well! Che breaking? Alaska sold and nothing! And here are a few islands! You yourself say that you can not master the Far East! And we will help you with the development! No money from you! We are investing money!
  7. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 18 November 2018 19: 23
    +7
    According to Peskov, there can be no “separate deals” in the Kuril issue by definition.

    To reinforce these words, it would not hurt to do something specifically positive and powerful in the South Kuril Islands ... For example, create a strong military base or develop industry, not in words but in deeds ...
    Then the words will not diverge from the deed, and the population of OUR Kuril Islands will be confident that the state is on its side ....
    request hi
    1. 210ox
      210ox 18 November 2018 19: 46
      +4
      There, by the way, they found something rare-earth .. Here and stood in a pose.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 18 November 2018 20: 25
        +9
        Quote: 210ox
        There, by the way, they found something rare earth ..

        Aha, our constant "partners" First, between the islands there is a direct exit of Russian ships to the Pacific Ocean through straits that do not freeze in winter.
        Secondly, if the Sea of ​​Okhotsk ceases to be inland, then the 10-mile zone. And NATA warships in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk will be at home only 20 km from the coast. Than not rare earth ...
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 18 November 2018 20: 22
      +2
      Quote: Rurikovich
      To reinforce these words, it would not hurt to do something specifically positive and powerful in the South Kuril Islands ..

      Russia creates in the Kuril Islands a new base of the Pacific Fleet

      Source: https://versia.ru/rossiya-sozdayot-na-kurilax-novuyu-bazu-tixookeanskogo-flota, hi !
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 18 November 2018 22: 57
        +3
        Quote: Tersky
        Source: https://versia.ru/rossiya-sozdayot-na-kurilax-novuyu-bazu-tixookeanskogo-flota, hi!

        Victor, I already read it yes smile An article about intentions. The Ball complex is certainly good as an anti-ship weapon, but at the moment, compared to the Japanese Navy, the Pacific Fleet looks like something ancient ... Alas, but this is a fact ... The only thing that keeps the whole world on our Far East is Russia's strategic nuclear forces ... Deep down, you yourself understand that I am right ... This is the bitter truth ... winked
        If you drop nuclear weapons and stop at conventional weapons, then at the moment, Japan does not cost anything to capture them within a couple of days ....
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 18 November 2018 23: 13
          +2
          Quote: Rurikovich
          but at the moment, compared with the Japanese Navy, the Pacific Fleet looks like something ancient ...

          Pacific Fleet - 2 cruisers, of which 1 in service
          - 7 EM / BOD, of which 4 are in service (the youngest is 26 years old)
          - 1 (one) modern corvette in the ranks + 1 on trials
          Submarine - from 5 "Anteyev" 2 in service, from 5 "Pike" 1 in service ...
          DEPL 6 in the ranks of 7 .... Total of all (not including the SSBN) 9 pieces

          Japan:
          4 helicopter carriers (theoretically aircraft carriers during rearmament on the Fi-35)
          8 EM URO
          29 EM
          6 frigates
          18 DEPL
          . winked request
        2. Tersky
          Tersky 18 November 2018 23: 17
          +4
          Quote: Rurikovich
          The Ball complex is certainly good as an anti-ship weapon, but at the moment, compared to the Japanese Navy, the Pacific Fleet looks like something ancient ...

          I agree, but if you know that there was nothing on the islands at all, there is already progress. As for the Pacific Fleet, this situevina is not ice to me either. Here it remains only to hope for that over time, and there they will bring relative order. In the meantime, plug holes where there is a likelihood of a large "leak". In the meantime, we are waiting:
          This year the fleet is preparing to receive the corvette of the improved project 20380 "Thundering". He and the next ship of this type, "Provorny", will be the first carriers of the Kalibr cruise missile complex at the Pacific Fleet.
          1. Rurikovich
            Rurikovich 18 November 2018 23: 31
            +2
            Quote: Tersky
            I agree, but if you realize that there was nothing on the islands at all, it’s already progress.

            yes I hope that the leadership of the Russian Federation understands that trade in territories is a way to hell smile because all these insinuations are just trolling the believers at the Japanese balls fellow
        3. Sayan
          Sayan 18 November 2018 23: 19
          -1
          Why drop the strategic nuclear forces? They are, and this is a fact, a serious fact, and "if" is not quoted in this case.
        4. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 19 November 2018 05: 39
          +1
          Quote: Rurikovich
          but at the moment, compared with the Japanese Navy, the Pacific Fleet looks like something ancient ...

          Comparison of the fleet and islands pulled from memory:
          Spaniards: Juan Manuel Salas Alcantara speaks to you. We are two people. We are accompanied by a dog, dinner, 2 bottles of beer and a canary that is sleeping now. We are supported by the radio station “Channel 106 - Extreme Situations At Sea”. We are not going to turn anywhere, given that we are on land and are the A-853 lighthouse on Cape Finisterre of the Galician coast of Spain ...

          Full: https://pikabu.ru/story/radioperegovoryi_amerikanskogo_avianostsa16_oktyabrya_1997_gpishut_chto_pravda_v_lyubom_sluchae_smeyalsya_ot_dushi__377146
          Something I doubt in the ability of the Japanese fleet to withstand coastal complexes of anti-ship missiles and their ability to arbitrarily anchor near the Kuril ridge without serious consequences for organisms ...
  8. svp67
    svp67 18 November 2018 19: 23
    +3
    According to Peskov, there can be no “separate deals” in the Kuril issue by definition.
    Here I agree. "Separate" that is, concluded by one of the coalition members without the knowledge and consent of the allies. Even if such a deal is concluded. then it will still have to go through the approval process, otherwise not how.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 18 November 2018 19: 34
      +5
      Here I agree. "Separate" that is, one of the members of the coalition concluded without the knowledge and consent of the allies.

      But I do not agree with your wording ...
      "Separate", that is, concluded by one of the coalition members without the knowledge and consent of the people of Russia ...
      the only way. hi
      1. svp67
        svp67 18 November 2018 19: 59
        +2
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        "Separate", that is, concluded by one of the coalition members without the knowledge and consent of the people of Russia ...
        the only way

        ???????? What is it like? The people DELEGATED their "best" representatives to government agencies. These are those who are called DEPUTIES. Without their consent in the State Duma, this document cannot be ratified, and therefore will not become law.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 18 November 2018 20: 03
          +4
          Here it is necessary to use the referendum and, based on its results, and make a decision ... the territorial issue is the most important issue and the referendum in this case shows the direct attitude of the people to this, bypassing all kinds of undercover games of politicians and deputies.
          1. svp67
            svp67 18 November 2018 20: 11
            +5
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            Here you need to use the referendum and its results and make a decision ...

            Keep
  9. stalki
    stalki 18 November 2018 19: 24
    -1
    How do we give up the islands, if fshi in their territory, is this in principle not possible?
    1. Стена
      Стена 18 November 2018 21: 11
      +3
      And if they were not, then what is possible?
      1. stalki
        stalki 18 November 2018 21: 54
        -2
        And where will we get the declaration from the 56th? Although I would be glad to wipe her.
    2. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 19 November 2018 05: 44
      +2
      And how did we give the Warsaw block !? On the count of times! Done once, we can repeat it! The policies of Gorbachev and Yeltsin live and prosper!
  10. dr.star75
    dr.star75 18 November 2018 19: 24
    +14
    Our something is muddied. If we don’t bargain with the land, we cannot immediately tell the Japanese: the question is closed, we are not discussing this topic, our islands can be wiped off with a treaty. AND EVERYTHING!
    1. Consultant
      Consultant 18 November 2018 19: 33
      -5
      Quote: dr.star75
      the question is closed, we are not discussing this topic, our islands, you can wipe with a contract

      Quote: Anecdote
      And if a diplomat says "no" - it is no longer a diplomat

      It's a hint wink
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 18 November 2018 19: 38
        +15
        Quote: Consultant

        Quote: Anecdote
        And if a diplomat says "no" - it is no longer a diplomat

        This is a hint of wink

        why so? We had a diplomat, Mr. no, and nothing, we only won, and after was Mr. yes,
        1. Consultant
          Consultant 18 November 2018 19: 58
          -7
          Quote: dr.star75
          We had a diplomat, mister no

          It was a nickname. And in no case is not what you thought request
      2. 210ox
        210ox 18 November 2018 19: 49
        +8
        We had a Diplomat .. "Mr. NO" was his name in the West. Gromyko Andrey Andreevich ... And then yes, and I don’t want to remember .. Shevardnadze, Kozyrev ..
        1. Consultant
          Consultant 18 November 2018 19: 52
          -2
          Quote: 210ox
          "Mister NO" was his name in the West

          This is a legend. A diplomat cannot be a diplomat if he cannot negotiate. This, you see, is the specificity of the profession.
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 18 November 2018 20: 00
            0
            Quote: Consultant
            This is a legend. A diplomat cannot be a diplomat if he cannot negotiate

            And he was like that, I was able to agree, and got a nickname: semi-Sakhalin. Do we need these?
            1. Consultant
              Consultant 18 November 2018 20: 03
              -5
              Quote: dr.star75
              Do we need these?

              Fortunately, nobody asks you who you need and who not. laughing

              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 18 November 2018 20: 35
                -1
                Quote: Consultant
                Fortunately, nobody asks you who you need and who not. laughing

                Well, fortunately, or not happiness, they ask. This is called an election: 1. to local authorities, 2. in regional, 3. State Duma, and finally: 4. President of the Russian Federation. Is it different in your country? laughing
                1. Consultant
                  Consultant 18 November 2018 20: 37
                  -2
                  Quote: dr.star75
                  they ask. This is called an election.

                  Yeah. That is, the very gray (for the most part) substance that rules us, exactly did you choose?

                  It’s wonderful, I will know to whom to express gratitude, in which case laughing

                  Identification wink
                  1. dr.star75
                    dr.star75 18 November 2018 20: 41
                    +1
                    Quote: Consultant
                    Yeah. That is, the very gray (for the most part) substance that rules us, exactly did you choose?

                    Wonderful, I will know to whom to express gratitude, in which case laughing

                    In the progressive West, there are 2 of the most immodest questions that are indecent to ask: 1. Your income;
                    2. Who did you vote for in the last election.
                    Well, only the one who does nothing will not be mistaken.
                    1. Consultant
                      Consultant 18 November 2018 20: 43
                      -2
                      Quote: dr.star75
                      In the progressive west, there are 2 of the most immodest questions that are indecent to ask.

                      In the "progressive west" all malacholny wassat
                      PS: well, let not all. But most are for sure.

                      Sha, I say goodbye to you. Run "star" to paint laughing
                      1. dr.star75
                        dr.star75 18 November 2018 20: 53
                        0
                        [quote = Consultant] In the "progressive west" all malacholny wassat [/ quote]
                        What? and even Trump? And even Merkel? And even Netanyahu? - as you did not tolerate!
                        [quote = Consultant] PS: well, though not all. But most are for sure.
                        And that means besides them, everyone else.

                        [quote = Consultant] Shah, I say goodbye to you. [/ quote]
                        Well, if so, then goodbye! hi
                        [quote = Consultant] Run "star" to paint laughing [/ quote] - well, probably "star", not "star", but then excuse me, nothing will be added to me. In the Air Force, a star was given for the shot down, not for the escaped! laughing
                      2. Consultant
                        Consultant 18 November 2018 20: 57
                        -2
                        If you insert quotes, learn to count the brackets ... otherwise your mustache has come off laughing

                        Quote: dr.star75
                        In the Air Force, the star was given for the downed, and not for the escaped

                        What edge are you here? Are you thumping again? See - ends quickly, and usually bad request
                      3. dr.star75
                        dr.star75 18 November 2018 21: 02
                        +2
                        Quote: Consultant
                        Are you thumping again? See - it ends quickly, and usually a bad request

                        From my life experience? It's sad! I feel sorry! Now only Borjomi?
                        Quote: Consultant
                        In the Air Force, the star was given for the downed, and not for the escaped

                        What edge are you here?

                        No, you yourself started a conversation about the stars. Analogy. And who says goodbye, but does not leave? hi
                      4. Consultant
                        Consultant 18 November 2018 21: 07
                        0
                        Quote: dr.star75
                        From your life experience?

                        Including.

                        Quote: dr.star75
                        And who says goodbye, but does not leave?

                        good
                        Just to remind you:

                        Quote: dr.star75
                        Well, come on! Who's stopping you?

                        Quote: dr.star75
                        What is bent?

                        Quote: dr.star75
                        Merged and all!

                        Quote: dr.star75
                        Stupidly merged?

                        I then neigh all the next day, like a horse laughing

                        Adieu, the Internet "winner" stop
                      5. dr.star75
                        dr.star75 18 November 2018 21: 12
                        +2
                        Quote: Consultant
                        I then neigh all the next day, like a horse laughing

                        So it was you? I apologize if I offended you! hi Not from evil, perhaps on emotions! But mind you, not a single minus! hi
              2. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 19 November 2018 05: 47
                +1
                Quote: Consultant
                Fortunately, nobody asks you who you need and who not.

                But here on the site they do not ask anyone and do not use opinions, even marshals. By naivety, they spread their opinions, thoughts about, etc. in a form convenient for use. But no use. The only consolation is a certain sense of accomplishment. And, by and large, more than half of the participants have long owed nothing to anyone ...
          2. Стена
            Стена 18 November 2018 21: 13
            +7
            If tomorrow they make claims to the territory to the Urals, then should we agree?
            1. Halado Romane
              Halado Romane 18 November 2018 21: 40
              -1
              And how many decades have they been making claims? All the way to us, someone presents something ... And what ?! The Poles all got out until they got out, and they were separated twice ... They were full of claims !!! Then he was offended by the weather. Hitler, too ... was nervous about the bunkers. They want to leave us within the boundaries of Muscovy, not just like the Urals. Well, the history of life does not teach them! Rasteryaev has the song "Russian Road" -... remember the mysterious tactical technique, when we retreat, we go forward! And we are not retreating now! We returned Crimea. Our citizens and bases are in Ossetia and Abkhazia! Donbass will return! Are you that nervous ?! You never know what the Japanese want ?! Will be crossed over!
          3. Mr Credo
            Mr Credo 19 November 2018 05: 48
            +1
            Is it necessary to agree? Israeli diplomats do not really like treaties. And as soon as they arrived, it flies back! In Israel, probably all worthless diplomats !?
  11. kiril1246
    kiril1246 18 November 2018 19: 25
    +4
    They are trying to take away the Golan from Israel, and then it turns out that they will have to give the territories themselves
  12. Leclerc
    Leclerc 18 November 2018 19: 28
    +17
    I never understood what the position of Peskov was, absolutely useless, never any specifics, everything in general terms where everything is clear, foggy, dodgy. Maybe they hold him like a toastmaster, once a year in a straight line with their fingers poke at journalists in turn.
    1. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 18 November 2018 19: 57
      +2
      Leclerc — it is his responsibility to blow dust into his eyes, which he does well, as the same Vedmede man seems to be busy, and there’s a little more sense than fire from fish.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 19 November 2018 05: 51
      +1
      Quote: Leclerc
      I never understood what the position of Peskov isabsolutely useless, never any specifics

      Budget for the maintenance of the state apparatus. Those two who minusanuli can tell you in detail about this ... Probably Petrov and Boshirov ... lol
  13. Moskovit
    Moskovit 18 November 2018 19: 34
    +2
    I don’t understand what the panic is. On the contrary, we’ll give a fine trolling from the Russian side when you withdraw US bases from your territory, that is, never.
    1. stalki
      stalki 18 November 2018 19: 35
      -1
      In, I also understand that, quite likely.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 18 November 2018 21: 07
      +3
      You are a dreamer, Alexey. Why didn’t they play it so hard in 2011?
    3. Стена
      Стена 18 November 2018 21: 16
      +2
      Trolling in matters of the country's territorial integrity is not appropriate. Here we must express ourselves unambiguously so that there are no doubts among the "partners"
  14. parusnik
    parusnik 18 November 2018 19: 35
    +11
    .What kind of compromise are they going to look for ... and what will it look like? And climb on a birch and pick pine cones ... Only on a birch pine cones do not grow ...
    1. Sayan
      Sayan 18 November 2018 20: 04
      -1
      Long hang on or what? Remember the cat sewn into the hare skin))) - Hochma of course, but nice)))
    2. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 18 November 2018 22: 01
      +2
      Their "fantasies" are endless, in the matter of crossing a snake with a hedgehog .. Building "liberal" capitalism, with signs of feudalism, with cries of a social state)) Or workers together with priests ...
      Quote: parusnik
      .What kind of compromise are they going to look for ... and what will it look like? And climb on a birch and pick pine cones ... Only on a birch pine cones do not grow ...
  15. lot
    lot 18 November 2018 19: 42
    -3
    Sands for the country - a mountain!
    1. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 18 November 2018 19: 58
      +5
      you mean in this case, Japan, we must put belay recourse
      1. lot
        lot 18 November 2018 20: 04
        +3
        Such people are worth the weight of a watch.
  16. Fox
    Fox 18 November 2018 19: 42
    +6
    It is necessary to organize the Ain Autonomous Region on Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, and demand historical justice - to return the illegally seized Hokkaido to the indigenous people!
  17. Million
    Million 18 November 2018 19: 42
    +3
    Sands is just a secretary and can try anything on his behalf
  18. RL
    RL 18 November 2018 19: 47
    +14
    Not so long ago, Moscow gave Norway the Russian waters of the Barents Sea.
    I quote:
    “Not everyone knows, and many have not even heard of the fact that in 2011 Russia gave Norway just a huge territory in the Barents Sea.

    We are talking about transferring to Norway (by the way, the NATO country) 90 thousand square kilometers of water (formally it is more correct to say the water area, not the territory, but this does not change the essence - the state gives the territory) of the Barents Sea with rich deposits of oil, gas and fish resources. For comparison, the area of ​​the entire Leningrad region is smaller (83,9 thousand sq. Km).

    In terms of the area transferred to Norway, these are six Kaliningrad regions. These are approximately two Moscow regions or two Ryazan regions. This is the area of ​​the Leningrad or Chelyabinsk regions.

    In reality, Russia has lost even more area (the transfer of these territories entails Russia's relinquishment of rights for another 240 thousand square kilometers of Arctic space in the Spitsbergen area.
    The procedure was quick enough and invisible to the country's population. Unnoticed - we mean Russia. But Norway celebrated a national holiday in this regard.

    September 15, 2010 Russia and Norway signed the Treaty on the delimitation of maritime spaces in the Barents Sea and the Arctic Ocean.

    Russia ratified this agreement by Federal Law of April 5, 2011 No. 57-ФЗ “On Ratification of the Agreement between the Russian Federation and the Kingdom of Norway on the Delimitation of Maritime Spaces and Cooperation in the Barents Sea and the Arctic Ocean” (adopted by the State Duma on March 25, 2011, approved Federation Council March 30, 2011).

    Our State Duma approved the ratification of the agreement by 311 votes to 57.
    Interestingly, the ratification took place, one might say, under the heading "secret." For the first time in recent years, an event of this magnitude was not reported by the central media. More precisely, the information was, but it had a completely different character - something like "about agreements reached with Norway on disputed territories."

    Why is Japan worse than Norway?
    1. lot
      lot 18 November 2018 20: 55
      +1
      [media = https: //varlamov.ru/2920767.html] here Murmansk is a little alive with Admiral Kuznetsov, and the sea is generally Alaska. Varlamov has a terrible blog.
  19. rocket757
    rocket757 18 November 2018 19: 49
    +4
    His words, yes to God’s ears ....
    However, surrendering the Kuril Islands is a sheer loss, no matter where you look, we really don’t want to surrender.
    Let's try, again and again!
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 18 November 2018 21: 04
      +4
      One famous director remembered.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 November 2018 21: 20
        +3
        So with our ministers, deputies and the ruling, Stanislavsky remembered EVERYTHING!
        I haven’t been able to theatrical, why should I know him? I know!
    2. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 18 November 2018 22: 03
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      His words, yes to God’s ears ....
      However, surrendering the Kuril Islands is a sheer loss, no matter where you look, we really don’t want to surrender.
      Let's try, again and again!

      The fact of negotiations, about the conditions, says a lot! Don't flatter yourself
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 November 2018 23: 55
        +1
        Faith and seduction are different categories.
        1. The Siberian barber
          The Siberian barber 19 November 2018 09: 24
          +2
          Sorry, for the incorrect statement. hi
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 19 November 2018 16: 37
            0
            Non problems.
            They even ceased to seduce us, it remains only to believe!
            However, this does not eliminate the need to take actions that should reinforce our faith / confidence that the upper ones will be forced to act as we need. soldier
    3. Lyuba1965_01
      Lyuba1965_01 18 November 2018 22: 11
      +4
      "It is fair to remember here that, despite all the complexities of the topic of a peace treaty with Japan, this issue can be resolved. Such complex topics can still be resolved, and this was shown, for example, by the experience of negotiations on territorial issues with China," - said the press secretary of the Russian president.
      ("Vesti". November 18, 2018, 20:27.
      https://vesti-ukr.com/mir/313274-v-rossii-rasskazali-chto-budet-s-kurilami?utm_source=gravitec&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=gravitec )

      Do you need to explain, say or argue after that?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 19 November 2018 00: 03
        +2
        To argue about what? Why are we not very dodgy, perhaps not very smart guys at the top and in the world okay of big politics their skills are not quoted in any way? This we understand.
        That is, a strong country can only have a strong policy, this is understandable.
        And then what?
        We, not satisfied with either of this, are in fact simple extras whom no one listens to or sees.
        Such is ce la vie.
  20. Snail N9
    Snail N9 18 November 2018 20: 02
    +5
    Certainly, a compromise will be required that will not conflict with the national interests of either side.

    Actually, this phrase says unequivocally: "Russia agrees to hand over the two islands, after working out a compromise solution that suits both sides." That is, negotiations on the transfer of the islands are indeed underway. Something tells me that the "patriots" - the propaganda apologists - "the Japs of the Kuril Islands cannot be seen as their ears" will soon have a "big surprise". wink
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 18 November 2018 20: 28
      -8
      Something tells me that no surprises await those barking for "putinuhodi".
      No matter what happens, you will still long for just that.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 18 November 2018 21: 02
        +6
        Mestny! When you indicate not to bark alone, you will hear - don’t blather, my friend.
      2. Стена
        Стена 18 November 2018 21: 19
        +2
        Yes, to sneeze at him, the country would be safe and sound, and Putin come and go.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 18 November 2018 21: 22
          +3
          While they sneeze at us. I agree with the rest.
    2. tatra
      tatra 18 November 2018 23: 07
      +2
      Well, the eternal tactics of the Kremlin bots-at first deny, then, when Putin himself admits, rush to discredit those who are outraged by what Putin did, to declare them liberals, agents of the State Department, eager to arrange Maidan in Russia.
  21. gig334
    gig334 18 November 2018 20: 05
    +8
    Japan and the United States benefit from the surrender of these islands, but not Russia. Then money will be torn from us in order to stop American missiles on these islands. Kremlin top calm down already, we have already lost 27% of our territory over the past 20 years, enough to squander people's lands.
  22. Vadmir
    Vadmir 18 November 2018 20: 09
    +7
    Certainly, a compromise will be required that will not conflict with the national interests of either side.
    In territorial disputes, there can be no compromises that do not conflict with national interests, in principle.
    But, most likely, the "compromise" on this issue will be as follows - to the Japanese Shikotan and Habomai, Russia a piece of paper with obligations not to deploy US bases on these islands. Then the poisoning of the next Skripal and no agreements with the "aggressor".
    And our Foreign Ministry, as usual, will only express another deep concern.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 18 November 2018 20: 25
      -5
      About compromise - this is, as usual, your fantasies.
      Because nothing like this happened.
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  24. Mestny
    Mestny 18 November 2018 20: 23
    -6
    Quote: Underwater Hunter
    One gets the feeling that yet two islands are going to give ..

    With sensations and faith - in the church. Or to the synagogue in your case.
    Gave or not?
    No.
    Means what? - a lie, a piece of ram on a fan.
    Sensation, damn it.
    1. Lyuba1965_01
      Lyuba1965_01 18 November 2018 22: 14
      +4
      They will give. For several years. This is 100%. Peskov is already openly declaring to the press:
      "It is fair to remember here that, despite all the complexities of the topic of a peace treaty with Japan, this issue can be resolved. Such complex topics can still be resolved, and this was shown, for example, by the experience of negotiations on territorial issues with China," - said the press secretary of the Russian president.
  25. ashnajder
    ashnajder 18 November 2018 20: 28
    +6
    they’ll give it over to the Chinese, they’ve given it up to Damans and they’ll give it back, Volodya’s grandmother obviously doesn’t keep her in Russia.
  26. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 18 November 2018 20: 37
    +7
    The fact of negotiations, about the conditions, is a shame !! However, the values, you see, are different for the current government
  27. BAI
    BAI 18 November 2018 20: 49
    +5
    According to Peskov

    We have long understood that no one can believe in the government.
  28. shirkoled
    shirkoled 18 November 2018 20: 54
    +6
    Of course, Putin will give the islands, and even Sakhalin to boot !!! We must talk with the Japanese from a position of strength, these comrades understand only the fist !!! And our guarantor has handed over everything that is possible, because he is from a galaxy of sellers of Russia, under the guidance of a humpback bear!
    1. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 19 November 2018 02: 12
      +1
      By the way, Bear Gorbi gave striped 46,3 thousand square kilometers of the prospective shelf for hydrocarbons and biological resources in the Bering Sea and greeted them on Sakhalin, closer to oil.
  29. polar fox
    polar fox 18 November 2018 20: 57
    +4
    and then the GDP will say that "some kind of blizzard is carrying sands."
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 18 November 2018 22: 05
      +2
      Quote: polar fox
      and then the GDP will say that "some kind of blizzard is carrying sands."

      Quite expected)). There is a "stuffing" in order to study the reaction of the population
  30. NordUral
    NordUral 18 November 2018 20: 58
    +5
    Certainly, a compromise will be required that will not conflict with the national interests of either side.
    According to Peskov, there can be no “separate deals” in the Kuril issue by definition.
    Sands:
    Adoption of the 1956 declaration of the year does not automatically mean the transfer of the two islands of Japan. The question of the deployment of US military bases in the event of transfer (Shikotan and Habomai) is important here.


    Everything will be the same as with the issue of raising the retirement age.
  31. Ivan RB
    Ivan RB 18 November 2018 21: 04
    +5
    Putin copes with his duties perfectly - Damansky has already given the Chinese + 300 sq. Km of adjoining territories, there are no Russians in the Donbas either, nor Russian land ... He promised the Japanese with some fright ..
  32. vanavatny
    vanavatny 18 November 2018 21: 15
    -4
    I can’t but recall that the Commander-in-Chief could for a long time surrender the Caucasus (to an unknown extent) and not suffer from Crimea ... on the basis of many years of sweaty desires of the Japanese, here many are already ready to sculpt article 275 right and left, on the killer ground that negotiations are underway ... and I don’t remember talking from the Kremlin about the need for pieces of paper about a peace treaty at all costs, hang on, fellow citizens
    1. Ivan RB
      Ivan RB 18 November 2018 21: 41
      +3
      Well, Crimea was lucky, of course, - more, Vovan decided to have a good go at it, not quite financially successful for the rest, dear Russians .. as for the Caucasus, he passed it a long time ago, and NATO will not be asking for his opinion in the same Georgia. Your commander in chief is the heir to Yeltsin and the successor of his affairs and aspirations ... what else can you expect from this, 18 years of stomping on the spot with the periodic surrender of interests, people and territories.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 18 November 2018 22: 53
        -5
        Quote: Ivan RB
        Your commander in chief is the heir to Yeltsin and the successor of his affairs and aspirations ... what else can you expect from this, 18 years of stomping on the spot with the periodic surrender of interests, people and territories.

        Over the past 18 years, the territory of the Russian Federation has only increased, but the territory of the RSFSR under the "wise" leadership of your fellow countryman and another from Georgia has only decreased, and at times ...
        1. tatra
          tatra 18 November 2018 23: 13
          -2
          The eternal cowardice of the enemies of the Communists, and their eternal double standards. The enemies of the Communists TWICE divided their country into their evil anti-Soviet-Russophobic countries and republics, and the Communists were cowardly blamed for both accusations.
          They, with their hypocritical "righteous anger", expose for the crimes of the communists that they really returned the Russian lands to the country in 1939-1940, and that the benefactor of the Russian enemies of the communists Putin seized part of the territory of a foreign country in 2014, they expose "a huge achievement".
        2. Ivan RB
          Ivan RB 19 November 2018 17: 20
          0
          You won't cover up your "fig" with shame ... And what else is this - for "your fellow countryman"? But thanks to that Georgian, as you put it, the territory, on the contrary, has increased - mate. part to help you, and you too were born ...
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 19 November 2018 20: 00
            -1
            Quote: Ivan RB
            thanks to the Georgian, as you put it, the territory on the contrary has increased - mat. part to help you,

            Which exactly increased Kaliningrad region? If it were not for Stalin, then there was no Ukraine and Kazakhstan, which appeared thanks to the Communists and at the expense of the territory of the RSFSR ....
            1. Ivan RB
              Ivan RB 19 November 2018 22: 20
              -2
              Actually, the USSR is Lenin's "brainchild". If you don't even know this, then it is better to continue digging your tombs. good
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 19 November 2018 22: 35
                0
                Quote: Ivan RB
                Actually, the USSR is Lenin's "brainchild".

                But what's the difference whose brainchild, the territories of Russia (which were its centuries) were taken away by the Communists, and all the republics (I don’t care about them) and the RSFSR including divided into national apartments, now we disentangle, and you look further into the mouth of the communists ...
    2. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 18 November 2018 22: 07
      +2
      [/ quote] [quote = vanavatny] I can’t help but recall that the Commander-in-Chief could for a long time surrender the Caucasus (to unknown limits) and not be tormented with Crimea ... on the basis of many years of sweaty desires of the Japanese, here many are already ready to sculpt article 275 right and left , on the crippling grounds that negotiations are underway ... and I don’t remember talking from the Kremlin about the need for pieces of paper about a peace treaty at all costs, hang on, fellow citizens

      I can’t help but remind you of the previous precedents. They, quite give an occasion
  33. Nikolai
    Nikolai 18 November 2018 21: 24
    +8
    It seems that they are preparing for a compromise. All these meetings with annoying Abe ... Meetings just don't happen, they are being prepared, which means there is mutual interest. We must wait for the betrayal.
  34. bmv04636
    bmv04636 18 November 2018 21: 29
    -3
    They wrote that in the agreement of 1956, the USSR was ready to transfer two islands of Japan in neutral status. Here is the main trolling and buried
    1. Nikolai
      Nikolai 18 November 2018 21: 43
      +7
      If the issue is being discussed, then there will be a solution. If Putin didn’t have a question, then he would long ago categorically refuse to discuss it and deal with the end. And I know the Japanese - lying smiles, shuffling, bowing, gifts - anything to achieve the goal. Then kidalovo.
    2. stalki
      stalki 18 November 2018 22: 11
      0
      They wrote that in the agreement of 1956, the USSR was ready to transfer two islands of Japan in neutral status. Here is the main trolling and buried
      Not a contract, but a declaration which, by definition, is just a design option and is not a binding document.
  35. akudr48
    akudr48 18 November 2018 21: 48
    +6
    The Kremlin is darkening. They dragged on the 1956 declaration, which the USSR had refused.

    And begging not to place America (so far ours) on America looks very suspicious.

    The genius of judo walks along the edge.
  36. 123456789
    123456789 18 November 2018 21: 55
    +1
    “Where once the Russian flag has been hoisted, it cannot drop anymore,”
  37. Giants
    Giants 18 November 2018 22: 01
    +3
    According to Peskov, there can be no “separate deals” in the Kuril issue by definition.
    The fate of the South Kuril Islands Vova resolved. It’s time for Peskov to come up with arguments on Kaliningrad. Fans of HPP, how do you like this argument: There will be no automatic transfer of two islands, there will be agreement on the transfer of two islands with a number of conditions.
  38. Yan Sergeev
    Yan Sergeev 18 November 2018 22: 03
    +1
    So they’ll give
  39. Radikal
    Radikal 18 November 2018 22: 04
    +1
    According to Peskov, there can be no “separate deals” in the Kuril issue by definition.
    What does "separate" mean, who is the "third" person here, separately from whom the "deal" can be concluded? The Kuril issue concerns only two parties - Japan and the Russian Federation, which has declared itself the successor of the USSR. Curious who this former diplomat had in mind? winked
  40. Lyuba1965_01
    Lyuba1965_01 18 November 2018 22: 25
    +3
    They will give these islands. It remains to dream that only these, and not all, which Japan requires.
    And the people pick up everything.
    How did the PR, VAT, the endless increase in gasoline. How did the return of the official "we didn’t ask you to grow”
    People will speak, they will be indignant in the internet, several thousand will come to protests and that’s it.
    And those who come to these protests (if they come out!) Will be called non-patriots and those who want Independence Square.
    Passed, we know.
    So get used to the idea that our territory will soon decrease.
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  42. Стена
    Стена 18 November 2018 22: 45
    +4
    Traitors to the interests of the people and the country are in a hurry to meet the deadline until 2020. 2021 elections to the State Duma, so you need to increase the retirement age, raise taxes, introduce new taxes and fees, and surrender the territories during this period. And there you look for a year and a half, people will get used to it, put up with it, or you can invent some other problem that can divert attention from their criminal acts and go to the representatives of the oligarchs in a new way.
  43. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 18 November 2018 22: 46
    +2
    By agreement of more than half a century ago, the USSR considered the issue of transferring 2 islands of the South Kuril Islands - Shikotan and Khabomai to Japanese jurisdiction

    In the case of the transfer of at least one island from the Kuril ridge, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk will cease to be Russian, but will become international, with all that it implies ...
    in the case of signing a peace treaty on the conditions that Japan maintains military neutrality and does not deploy military bases of foreign states on its territory

    This also will not save us ... Americans and without the Japanese are part of the forces of the MP with Fr. Okinawa is being transferred to the north of Australia, the question is different if the United States WB located on permanent basis on the Japanese islands, even if they leave, we prevent US forces from returning using the military and civilian infrastructure of Japan to deploy their troops in Japan for the period of military exercises, in order to protect Japan from Un (under the agreement on mutual military assistance). ..etc.
    Thus, transferring the indicated islands of Japan, we not only substitute ourselves, but also the DPRK and the PRC ...
    1. Consultant
      Consultant 18 November 2018 22: 51
      -2
      Quote: Lara Croft
      In the case of the transfer of at least one island from the Kuril ridge, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk will cease to be Russian, but will become international, with all that it implies ...

      Why?



      The interest is purely academic, it is not necessary to answer.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 18 November 2018 23: 04
        +1
        Quote: Consultant
        Quote: Lara Croft
        In the case of the transfer of at least one island from the Kuril ridge, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk will cease to be Russian, but will become international, with all that it implies ...

        Why?
        The interest is purely academic, it is not necessary to answer.

        Just the other day, an event manifested itself that could be called historical. A kind of enclave with an area of ​​more than 50 thousand square meters. km in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk recognized as part of the Russian continental shelf. Moreover, it was recognized as a special subcommittee of the United Nations, which (the subcommission) worked on this issue for several months after the submission of relevant documents by Russia. These documents, in turn, appeared after large-scale research in the Okhotsk region. It is noteworthy that members of the UN sub-commission decided on the right of the Russian Federation to the aforementioned thousands of kilometers of the shelf unanimously.

        https://topwar.ru/36206-mezhdunarodnoe-priznanie-za-rossiey-ohotskogo-morya-radovatsya-ili-iskat-podvodnye-kamni.html
        That is, together with obtaining economic rights to new areas of the shelf, Russia actually receives for internal use the whole sea - the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, which will soon become the internal seas of the Russian Federation. This means that Russia gets all the rights to the resources of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, and our country will be able to actively resist the attacks of foreign poaching schooners, which are now not uncommon in these waters.

        Ibid.
        The Sea of ​​Okhotsk is indeed surrounded by Russian territories, but on the southern outskirts it is washed by the shores of the Japanese island of Hokkaido. The presence of a neighboring state as one of the coasts of the sea did not give a legal opportunity to turn the Sea of ​​Okhotsk into the inland sea of ​​Russia. The fact that the sea has become an exclusively zone of interests of the Russian Federation has recently been out of the question since Japan opposed categorically the indicated Russian initiatives. And now the Ministry of Natural Resources is talking about the readiness of the world community to fully recognize the Sea of ​​Okhotsk as the internal sea of ​​Russia.

        Ibid.
        The UN Commission on the Continental Shelf officially handed over to Russia on Friday a document recognizing the Sea of ​​Okhotsk as fully Russian, said Russian Minister of Natural Resources Sergey Donskoy.

        https://vz.ru/news/2014/3/15/677177.html
        1. Consultant
          Consultant 18 November 2018 23: 07
          -1
          Quote: Lara Croft
          The UN Commission on the Continental Shelf officially handed over to Russia on Friday a document recognizing the Sea of ​​Okhotsk as fully Russian, said Russian Minister of Natural Resources Sergey Donskoy

          Thanks, I didn't know. But all the same - at close range I do not understand why two islands separated from the sea by other islands will suddenly again make the Sea of ​​Okhotsk a "common sea".
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 18 November 2018 23: 11
            +1
            Quote: Consultant
            I don’t understand why two islands separated from the sea by other islands would suddenly again make the Sea of ​​Okhotsk a “common sea”.

            With the transfer of the islands, it will cease to be a closed sea area belonging only to us ....
            1. Consultant
              Consultant 18 November 2018 23: 17
              -1
              Quote: Lara Croft
              With the transfer of the islands, it will cease to be a closed sea area belonging only to us ....

              Um. Well so be it.

              Then this means that nobody and nobody ever will not pass request
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 18 November 2018 23: 21
                -3
                Quote: Consultant
                Quote: Lara Croft
                With the transfer of the islands, it will cease to be a closed sea area belonging only to us ....

                Um. Well so be it.

                Then this means that nobody and nobody ever will not pass request

                Most likely they will agree on joint economic use or the Japanese will be given rights to the Kuril Islands, similar to ours in relation to Svalbard (limited economic use) ...
  44. iouris
    iouris 19 November 2018 00: 01
    +3
    What does Peskov understand by a "separate deal"? What kind of coalition does he feel he is and his boss?
  45. PValery53
    PValery53 19 November 2018 00: 02
    +4
    The condition for concluding a peace treaty between Russia and Japan should not be the transfer of the South Kuril Islands to Japan, but the transfer of Northern Hokkaido to Russia.
  46. Radikal
    Radikal 19 November 2018 00: 03
    +3
    This is how the Kuril Islands will pass - https://zen.yandex.ru/media/burckina_new/kak-budut-sdavat-kurily-5bf18cebca638500a93f4016?&from=feed
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 19 November 2018 00: 26
      +8
      The cowardly thieves' class that destroyed the Union, their successors in the person of the guarantor and its cooperative, are not washed, so they try to pray for their place in the Western world, even with a bucket. But they don’t give a damn about Russia and us.
  47. Russian
    Russian 19 November 2018 01: 03
    -7
    Out of dirtyness, Russia has not transferred these islands earlier. She herself does not need them.
  48. ochakow703
    ochakow703 19 November 2018 02: 42
    +2
    "The issue of the deployment of American military bases in the event of a transfer (Shikotan and Habomai) is important here."
    There should be only one condition, the Japanese completely remove the fascist military bases from their entire territory, and only then you can talk about love and friendship, and the islands. And so? Yes, you can not believe these fascists from the United States.
  49. nic086
    nic086 19 November 2018 05: 17
    +2
    Quote: Muvka
    Actually, a contract of 56 years. Also Putin is to blame?

    The agreement of the 56th year, in principle, is not possible because it provides for "not deploying military bases of other states on Japanese territory." And it was built around this meaning! Because at the present time as well as in the future, it is not possible, then there is no point in talking about it.
  50. gx200gx
    gx200gx 19 November 2018 06: 29
    0
    Nothing depends on our comments here, something like that, and the president can always say that
    Peskov carries such a blizzard
    .