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Our winners of flying "dragons" in Vietnam

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When I was preparing my previous article “The intertwining of destinies. The one who crashed on the slopes of Tam Dao " about our pilots in Vietnam, he found a lot of memories of former rocket warriors. Paying tribute to them, I decided to write about how they lived and fought on Vietnamese land.


Our winners of flying "dragons" in Vietnam


After the 1962 Caribbean crisis, NS Khrushchev, then General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee, wanted to improve relations with Washington and was opposed to a new military clash with the United States in Southeast Asia. And only after his removal from power in 1964, serious changes occurred in Soviet-Vietnamese relations, which contributed to the provision of urgent military aid to the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV). In fact, the American aggression was opposed by the Soviet Union with its scientific and technical potential and new types of weapons.

In 1965, deliveries of all the necessary weapons for the Vietnamese People’s Army (VNA) began, mainly for the air defense forces. The DRV supplied these types of military equipment like anti-aircraft missiles (SAM) SA-75M "Dvina", MiG-17 and MiG-21, bombers IL-28, transporters IL-14 and Li-2, antiaircraft artillery, radar stations, communications equipment, etc. In total, during the Vietnam War, the 82 SA-75M Dvina and 21 TDN CA-75M and 8055 B-750 missiles were sent to them. Together with the supply of equipment in the Soviet military schools began accelerated training of Vietnamese pilots. The future rocket officers of the VNA studied at the Military Academy of Communications named after S.M. Budenny in Leningrad.

Our help to the DRV was to demonstrate the combat use of our equipment in the shortest possible time and to prepare personnel so that it could not only work on it, but also repair it on its own when it failed. So, for the entire period from 1965 to 1974. 6359 generals and officers and more 4500 soldiers and non-commissioned soldiers were sent to the DRV as Soviet military specialists (CBC). On a business trip, they went in civilian clothes and without documents left for storage at the embassy. Sent those who knew this technique and had experience launching missiles at the site. There were even former front-line soldiers among them.

By that time, the main roads throughout Vietnam had already been broken, everywhere there were craters after the bombing. Our specialists had to share with the Vietnamese all the burden and deprivation of a combat situation. We worked together, sparing no effort, and sometimes even our own health. At the very beginning of acclimatization, the heat was especially hard on everyone. But with the lack of heat due to the moisture hanging in the air, everyone walked wet. After a short time, something like malaria or fever began among the new arrivals. Many have suffered from fever and severe headache for 3-4 days. Due to illness, all the work and training were delayed a little, but the doctors were able to quickly put everyone on their feet.

The problem of learning was the lack of educational literature on our technology. In understanding complex terms, the language barrier interfered. Classes were held under canopies covered with palm leaves, built directly on the positions. Instead of desks and chairs, cadets sat on mats, wrote with pencils and pens in their notebooks everything that they were taught by the SVS. They had to be easily controlled with the equipment in the cockpit of the air defense missile system, remember the assignment of all the buttons and tumblers of the control panel, correctly recognize target marks on the locator screen. Round-the-clock, they persistently analyzed technical schemes and mastered complex formulas, although the majority of students did not exceed the level of four or seven grades.



The combat design of the SA-75М SAMs in numerical strength could be divided into 80 Vietnamese and 7 by our specialists. For about a month, Soviet specialists themselves sat at the control panels of anti-aircraft missile technology, while the Vietnamese were near and, recording all our actions, gained their own combat experience. The principle “do as I do” turned out to be the most effective way to learn. Then the Vietnamese transplanted to the consoles, and the task of the SVS was to ensure that, standing behind the backs of comrades from the VNA, to insure all actions. After each battle, all the personnel gathered to conduct a “debriefing” and the corresponding conclusions. Through the 3-4 training month, a group of our specialists moved to the next division, and everything repeated from the beginning. And sometimes I had to teach directly in combat positions, during the constant air strikes of the Americans. Workers of war, ordinary Soviet guys, far from their homeland, fought themselves and taught their Vietnamese comrades the military craft. But the Vietnamese showed perseverance in their studies and were eager to beat the enemy on their own.

A typical Vietnamese village is in the disarray of the peasant huts in the shade of banana trees and palm trees. Several pillars with beams and light walls of woven bamboo, one of which is open during the day. The roof is covered with palm leaves or rice straw. In such huts, which we called "bungalows", lived by 4-5 people. From the furniture - a folding bed and a bedside table, instead of lighting, they used Chinese lanterns. For shelter during the bombing - packaged into the ground container number 2 (pack of wings and rocket stabilizers). It is possible to shove five of us into it to survive the bombardment. From the buried cap from the container number 1 (packaging from the second stage of the rocket), a Vietnamese field bath was built. Muddy water from the rice fields was first defended, then warmed in the boiler, and then in this improvised bath the fighters steamed on arrival from the position. Had to be treated for prickly heat and diaper rash baby powder, mixed in half with streptotsid, and even in the course was the Chinese "tiger ointment for all diseases at once."

Because of the unbearable heat and very high humidity, all our specialists were in positions in only shorts, only a cork helmet on the head, and an unchanged flask of tea in hand. Helmets were left on the bus in which they were brought to the position. At night, the wailing frogs did not allow to fall asleep. They all slept under improvised gauze curtains, which protected them from numerous mosquitoes. Different tropical animals, poisonous centipedes, snakes, etc. also pestered me. There were cases when especially seriously ill patients were taken to the Union for treatment.

Depending on the season, the diet consisted of vegetables (tomatoes, cucumbers, onions, peppers) and fruits (bananas, tangerines, grapefruits, oranges, pineapples, lemons). Sometimes fighters spoiled the breadfruit or mango. The main product was rice (with pebbles). Sometimes potatoes and cabbage. Canned food, meat of aged hens, rarely pork and various fish dishes went to the side dish. Black bread and herring had only to dream. The peasants came, and with the words “Mai Bai Mi Get!” (“The end of the American plane!”) They gave their best food.



Often, combat positions for ZRDn did not have time to properly prepare, and had to turn around in small fields among rice fields, on the outskirts of villages, on mountainous rocky slopes, and sometimes right at the base of the homestead of broken bombs. Positions are mostly masked by lush tropical vegetation. If possible, a dumping earth embankment was built around the PU, temporary shelters were dug near the cabins. Residents of nearby villages assisted in equipping positions. The peasants were digging trenches right on the field for themselves and their children to hide from cluster bombs. Even all women working in the fields with them had weapon. We had to work at night too, so that the position would remain unnoticed by the enemy’s intelligence. It often happened that the division was not fully deployed, but only three or four out of six installations. This made it possible for the calculations to curtail faster than the standard time and in a short time to change the place of deployment. ZRDn was constantly in motion. On the move, they were engaged in repair, set up equipment and checked the systems. It was dangerous to remain in the “illuminated” position, since the enemy had launched missile and bomb strikes on all the positions discovered. The fact that it quickly darkened at sunset, it was only on hand rocket men. They transferred the vehicle to the marching position, and under the cover of night hurried to change their place of deployment.

Bamboo "rocket"

And on the left positions immediately the Vietnamese skillfully organized their false “rocket positions”. On conventional wagons, they put models of cabins and rockets, the frames were made of split bamboo, covered with rice straw mats and painted with lime. The “operator” in the shelter could set all this props in motion with the help of ropes. Bamboo "rocket" turned, imitating the command "Synchronization". Nearby were the false “anti-aircraft batteries”, the trunks of which were replaced with thick bamboo poles painted with black paint. The illusion was complete. Weakly disguised, from a height they were very similar to the real ones and served as an excellent bait for the enemy. Usually the very next day, a raid was made on the “position”, but the enemy again lost airplanes, since the false positions were always covered with real anti-aircraft batteries.


Heavy strategic bomber "Boeing B-52" "Stratofortress"


At night, a powerful rumble from the eight engines of the strategic bomber B-52 fills the entire space, goes from all sides, even through the ground. Suddenly, a firestorm and crash arises from the ground - it burns for two and a half seconds six hundred kilograms of the powder charge of the missile launch missile, with a 50 ton load, tearing the missile from the launcher. The roar of the explosion bends to the ground. You feel that the whole head is trembling, like an aspen leaf in the wind. Rockets fire arrows pierce the night sky. Rejection of the send and red points of the missiles are rapidly removed. Our CA-75M Dvina complexes were able to shoot down targets at altitudes up to 25 kilometers. Already forty minutes after the command “Go-off campaign!” The division managed to turn off the equipment and go into the jungle.

The anti-aircraft missile forces of the DRV, prepared by the efforts of the SVS, shot down about 1300 aircraft of the US Air Force, among which were the 54 B-52 bomber. They bombed the cities of North Vietnam and the “Ho Chi Minh Trail,” which was used to supply troops in the south of the country. From 1964 to 1965, the US Air Force struck with impunity from a great height that was inaccessible to fire anti-aircraft batteries. Inflicting terrible destruction, they wanted to "bomb the Vietnamese people in the Stone Age." But after the first successful firing of the Soviet missile, American pilots were forced to descend from a height of 3-5 km to a lower altitude of several hundred meters, where they immediately came under fire from the barrel-mounted anti-aircraft artillery. I must say that small-caliber anti-aircraft artillery batteries reliably covered ZRDn, and the rocket men, even after having shot the entire ammunition load, remained under their protection. American pilots were so afraid of Soviet missiles that they refused to fly over North Vietnam, despite the double fee for each sortie. The area where our air defense system operated, they called the “Zone-7”, which meant “seven boards for the coffin”.

During combat use, various deficiencies in military equipment were also revealed. Separate blocks, and more often other transformers of power supply units of PU amplifiers, burned out from overheating and high humidity. Identified deficiencies were recorded and sent to the Union of developers for revision. Continued constant confrontation with the enemy and rapid response to any innovations from each side. It was then that significant changes occurred in the military industry. So there were modern air defense systems, control systems and major changes in the methods of combat.

Shrike

The American AGM-45 Shrike rocket represented a particular danger to the RRD. Her passive guidance system was configured to detect the frequencies of the operating radar system of the air defense system. With a rocket length of 3 m, a wingspan of 900 mm and a starting weight of 177 kg, its speed reached 1,5 Mach (1789 km / h). The estimated range of the AGM-45A is 16 km, AGM-45B is 40km, and the launch range to the target 12-18 km. When undermining the warhead was formed around 2200 fragments, in the 15 meter radius of destruction. After launch in the intended area, the rocket activated the homing head to search for a working radar. The pilot required accurate aiming in the direction of the radar, since the Shrike rocket locator had a small scanning angle. It was a sophisticated weapon that brought a lot of trouble to our rocket engineers, forcing them to “puzzle over” in search of protection against it.

Complicated the fight with the "Shraykami" their small reflective surface. When the screen of the SNR operator was simply filled with interference, it was very difficult to detect the signal reflected from the Shrike on it. But rocket men have found a way to deceive this beast. Having found the Shrike, they turned the cockpit “P” antenna to the side or upwards, without turning off the radiation. The rocket, guided by the maximum signal, also turned in that direction. After that, the radiation of the SNR was turned off, and the Shrike, which had lost its goal, continued to fly by inertia until it fell a few kilometers behind the position. Of course, we had to sacrifice our own missiles, which lost control during the flight, but the equipment could be saved.


Light deck attack aircraft Douglas A-4 "Skyhawks" launches Shrike rocket


Major Shelomitov Gennady Yakovlevich, a participant in the hostilities in Vietnam as part of the 260 GRD, recalls:

“After the launch of the rocket on the target, the manual escort operator V.К. Melnichuk saw on the screen a “splash” of the target and a moving mark separated from it. He immediately reported to the commander:

- I see "Shrike"! Going on course for us!

While deciding on the removal of radiation from the antenna with the Vietnamese command through an interpreter, the Shrike had already flown to the SNR. Then the guidance officer, Lieutenant Vadim Shcherbakov himself made the decision and switched the radiation from the antenna to the equivalent. After 5 seconds there was an explosion. In the cockpit "P", on which the transmitting antenna is located, a door was knocked out by an explosion, and a Vietnamese operator was killed by a fragment. The trees near the cabin were cut off by shrimps like a saw, and from the tent, in which before the shooting was the personnel of the battery, there were flaps the size of a handkerchief. Our military was lucky - all survived.

In the event that a Shrayk filled with balloons exploded, they, flying apart from the starting position, fell into the missiles located on the launching launchers. The warhead of a 200 kg missile exploded along with an oxidizer and fuel. The blast detonated and detonated missiles on other launchers. All metal turned into twisted, holey fur from an accordion. Highly toxic rocket fuel was ignited and burned. ”


Effective was the tactic of the action of the ambush division. During the day they hid in the jungle, and at night they left for the prepared position. Only three out of six installations were deployed, which made it possible to launch rockets, quickly roll up and go into the jungle. True, it was not always possible to do this without loss. The American pilots had the right, instead of fulfilling their combat mission, to turn around and strike at the detected divisions. Usually discovered positions of the air defense system were attacked by pairs of F-4 “Phantom II”, F-8, A-4 aircraft. Several US aircraft carriers cruised along the entire coast, and for massive raids, their number increased to 5 units. Ten squadrons of A-4F, A-6А carrier-based attack aircraft and six F-8А carrier-based fighter squadrons took part in the air raids. Airplanes based in Thailand and South Vietnam also joined them. During the raids, reconnaissance aircraft RF-101, RF-4 and jammer RB-66 were actively used. A lot of problems delivered high-altitude reconnaissance SR-71. Flying at an altitude of 20 km at a speed of 3200 km / h, it quickly flew over Vietnamese territory and was the most difficult target for the rocket men.

Ball and magnetic bombs

In Vietnam, the Americans used inhuman means of destruction and ammunition, such as napalm, spraying of herbicides, container ball bombs. The case of such a bomb was a container of two halves, fastened together. The container contained 300-640 garnet balls. Each grenade ball weighed 420 g and contained up to 390 pcs. cartridges about 4 mm in diameter. RDX was used as an explosive. The container itself was equipped with a time-delay fuse from a couple of minutes to several hours, and sometimes even days. With the explosion of a ball bomb, the fragments scattered over a radius of 25 meters. They hit everything that was at the level of human growth and to the surface of the earth.

“Once during a raid, a container with ball bombs was dropped on the house where we lived. It exploded at an altitude of 500 meters from the ground. 300 “balls of moms” scattered from it, and they began to fall on the roof of the house and on the ground around it. They were blown up from the impact when they fell, and hundreds of pellet balls with a diameter of 3-4 mm flew in all directions. Everyone who was in the house lay down on the floor. Ball explosions continued for several minutes. Frames flew into the windows, dug into the walls and ceilings. Balls that exploded on the roof of the house, could not hit anyone, because the house was a two-story. Those who were on the street managed to hide behind the columns and the low wall of the gallery. The drinking water tank in front of the column turned into a colander, and clear water flowed from it in all directions. 24-year-old lieutenant Nikolai Bakulin, who happened to be on the street during the bombing, then got a gray strand, ”recalls Major G. Shelomitov.


Container ball bomb in the Hanoi Military Museum


Magnetic bombs with delayed action were also a great danger. Their Americans dropped from a small height near the road. They could wait for their victim for a long time, having just sunk into the ground, lying on the sides of the road. If a metal object got into the magnetic field of such a bomb: a car, a bicycle, a man with a weapon, or a peasant with a hoe — an explosion occurred.

The enemy regularly used EW equipment. Most of the raids were carried out with the use of powerful radar jamming along the sighting channels of the target. And with the 1967 of the year, they began to add additional interference through the missile control channel. This significantly reduced the effectiveness of the air defense missile system, entailed the loss of missiles launched. They fell where it was necessary, and in the places of the fall the components of rocket fuel were combined and threw out streams of fire in which the warhead exploded.

To prevent loss of control, it was decided to immediately reconfigure the working frequencies in all available missiles. Technicians worked around the clock to achieve the necessary protection against enemy interference.

To create interference on all channels during massive raids, the Americans specially converted the B-47 and B-52 heavy bombers.

Plying along the borders with Laos and Cambodia, these planes, by their interference, prevented the Vietnamese SNR from detecting targets, contributing to the impunity of American aircraft. At night, the rocket battalions had to secretly move forward to the border with Laos to set up an “ambush” where nobody expected them. The rocket men made night marches hundreds of kilometers in length, moving along broken roads at night through the mountains in the jungle. Only after the equipment was reliably disguised, it was possible to take a break and wait. The hot meeting with a volley of three missiles on the far frontier was a fatal surprise for the jammer RB-47, flying under the guise of a dozen F-105 fighter-bomber bombers and A-4D attack aircraft.

Costly and carefully guarded target destroyed. During the attack response, the security guards of the bombers did not manage to detect the exact location of the missile launch and, having bombed the false position, disappeared. At dusk, the rocket men turned down their vehicles and returned to base. At the same time, in the area of ​​Hanoi, the enemy applied a massive air strike at strategic targets. The Americans, who consider themselves to be completely safe, without fear of return fire from the Vietnamese air defense forces, made their flights with impunity. But they miscalculated, and with the loss of their radio frequency cover, they were easy prey for ZRDn VNA, which immediately shot down a dozen aircraft.



The attacks on Hanoi were made using the most powerful interference by large groups of 12, 16, 28, 32 and even 60 aircraft. But the enemy also suffered significant losses in technology and manpower. In just a week, 4 Colonel, 9 Lieutenant Colonels were shot down near Hanoi. One of the shot down was a young lieutenant John McCain, who later became a senator. McCain's father and grandfather were famous admirals of the US Navy. His plane, taking off from the aircraft carrier "Enterprise", shot down the calculation under the command of Yu.P. Trushechkin, near which position he fell. The pilot managed to eject, but his parachute-wing landed in the lake, he broke his leg and arms. He was also lucky that the capture group arrived on time, as the peasants could usually score American pilots with American hoes.

For this victory, Trushechkin was awarded the Order of the Red Star. In memory, he left himself a flight book with records of parachute checking, where the cover pen was written with the marker "John Sidney McCain." “Fortunately, he did not become president. He hated the Russians. He knew that his plane hit our rocket, "- said the former missile.

Approximate statistics for downed enemy aircraft:
Fighter aviation shot down - 300 pcs.
SA-75М - 1100 pcs.
Anti-aircraft artillery - 2100 pcs.


Monument composed of fragments of downed American aircraft in the museum of Hanoi





SA-75M Dvina anti-aircraft missile systems at the Museum of Hanoi


In December of the 1972 of the year, while repelling a massive raid on Hanoi, the missile divisions managed to shoot down the X-NUMX bomber B-31. This was a blow to the Americans, after which they decided to sign an agreement in Paris to stop the bombing of Vietnam and the withdrawal of their troops on the terms of the Vietnamese side.

Protecting a peaceful people from the arriving bloodthirsty and fire-breathing dragon apparently absorbed into our consciousness from Russian folk tales. Seeing the Phantom decorated for dragon, spewing fire and bringing death to peaceful Vietnamese villages, I realized that half-literate Vietnamese peasants probably considered our warriors to be dragon-oppressors and called "lilen-tench" (Soviet soldier).


Attacking Dragon - McDonnell-Douglas F-4 Phantom II Tactical Fighter


Among the Soviet soldiers who died in Vietnam, along with pilots, were rocket engineers, technicians, and cameramen. They died, despite the fact that the Vietnamese tried to protect them at any cost, often covering their bodies from fragments. The Vietnamese loved these open and brave warriors who could, after hard work, arrange concerts and sing their soulful songs about a distant country.

We were not servants to some gentlemen
And they served the Motherland in those former years
Do not climb on the top of the first rows,
Everyone did as it should, just like men.
We are so familiar with risk
When some pants fall,
And we were afraid of "Shraykov" and "Phantoms"
Much less than his own wife.
The days have passed, your duty fulfilled,
To family returned and friends,
But we will never forget
You, fighting Vietnam!



The leaders of the 7-th VNA anti-aircraft missile regiment, 1967


SVS group 238-th SFD VNA, 1967g.


Soviet military and Vietnamese children


Soviet military experts 236-th GRP, Vietnam


Attack Riders: F-105F with AGM-45 Shrike and F-105D missiles with bombs


The defeat of the F-105 anti-aircraft missile


List of used literature:
Demchenko Yu.A., article "Vietnam has experienced so much ..."
G. Shelomytov, article "Everyone believed that this could never happen"
Yurin VA, article "The hot land of Vietnam"
Bataev S.G., article "In zone" b "and further ..."
Belov A.M., article "Notes of the SVS Senior Group in 278 Zrp of the Vietnamese People’s Army"
Kolesnik N.N., article "Teaching, fought and won"
Bondarenko I.V., article "Ambush in the mountains of Tamdao"
Kanaev V.M., article "Our combat crew"
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Photos used:
nhat-nam.ru, tomi-aleks.tourister.ru, nationalmuseum.af.mil, warspot.ru
Articles from this series:
Intertwining destinies. He who crashed on the slopes of Tam Dao
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  1. Korsar4
    Korsar4 19 November 2018 05: 46
    +17
    Interesting, vivid memories.
    1. Ber
      Ber 19 November 2018 07: 13
      +10
      +100, a very interesting article.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 19 November 2018 10: 30
        +7
        I read it with great interest. Thank you to the author. I heard from the memories of our specialists that the Vietnamese did not run away from the position during the threat, even covered our bodies with their bodies.
    2. Bongo
      Bongo 19 November 2018 14: 01
      -4
      Quote: Korsar4
      Interesting, vivid memories.

      The topic is interesting, but the author is clearly not in the subject. There are too many inaccuracies, and in some places outright blunders, and the publication itself resembles a propaganda campaign from Soviet times.
      1. Cetron
        Cetron 20 November 2018 23: 56
        0
        You have all the publications
        Quote: Bongo
        but the author is clearly not in the subject. There are too many inaccuracies, and in some places outright blunders, and the publication itself resembles a propaganda campaign from Soviet times.

        And what did you write? Where are your articles?
        In short ... Kiss owls in the ass further!
        1. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 21 November 2018 08: 36
          +3
          Quote: Cetron
          And what did you write? Where are your articles?
          In short ... Kiss owls in the ass further!

          stop Have you tried to go to Bongo's profile? fool Seryozha recently had a cycle devoted to Vietnam's air defense.
        2. Bongo
          Bongo 21 November 2018 13: 35
          +2
          Quote: Cetron
          And what did you write? Where are your articles?

          My articles are published weekly on the Military Review and reprinted by other sites.
          Quote: Cetron
          In short ... Kiss owls in the ass further!

          Thank you, but I am not an expert on kissing asses, I leave it to you ... hi
  2. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 19 November 2018 05: 54
    +8
    I really liked the article, like the previous one in this series.
    I learn new things about the different sides of that war.
    Thus, he learned about Khrushchev’s attitude.
  3. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 19 November 2018 06: 17
    -4
    American pilots were so afraid of Soviet missiles that they refused to fly over North Vietnam, despite the double fee for each sortie.

    During the operation of Linebacker ll, the B52 bombers made 729 sorties, according to your statement, were these unmanned flights? Or are you just lying?
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 19 November 2018 07: 13
      -17
      This is not a lie, but ordinary propaganda, the victim of which, among others, was the author of the article. The enemy is cowardly, the enemy is afraid, diapers, figampers ... Amers do not know how to fight without Coca-Cola and the military field McDonald's, etc.
      1. Moskovit
        Moskovit 19 November 2018 09: 20
        +15
        There is still such an option for the attacking side - there are no losses. All planes returned to base, but fewer.
        We had a teacher who served there. He told how our and Vietnamese fired. The Vietnamese often just fired rockets as they should, since they lacked either knowledge or experience + fear of strikes. Ours acted more skillfully and riskier. For this, they almost paid for it once, didn’t manage to minimize their position and were hit by a raid. He calculated, despite the persuasion of other comrades, immediately ran into a small bunker. He trusted the bunkers, as he took part in the exercises near Totsk with a nuclear explosion. They were shocked there too, but bearable.
        In general, the Vietnamese bunker overwhelmed and dug them up only the next day. During this time, they managed to turn gray, and blacken, and turn green (s). He himself was shell-shocked, but most importantly he was alive. Of those who ran into the jungle, no one was left alive, the Americans turned the surroundings into a scorched desert.
        By the way, he never scornfully spoke about the Americans, but passed through the Vietnamese)).
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 19 November 2018 09: 23
          +5
          The warrior will never speak dismissively of the enemy.
        2. Ace Tambourine
          Ace Tambourine 25 November 2018 08: 10
          0
          But my chief in the army, who passed both Vietnam and Egypt, spoke very well about the Vietnamese ....
          He told (whether I don’t know the bike or not) that the Vietnamese, for safety from Shrike, carried the operator’s chair onto the roof of the cab P, and adjusted the 120mm pipe along the radar axis. They planted the most far-sighted there, and he held the plane in the bell of the pipe by rotating the control knobs of the selsyn. And the rocket went on these commands without highlighting the target.
          And he did not express himself about the Egyptians without a mat and spitting, but he used to say that Israeli pilots were unsurpassed masters ...
          1. Moskovit
            Moskovit 25 November 2018 08: 30
            0
            Recently, the father of our friends died, he also fought in Egypt, was wounded. They buried with military honors.
            I never talked about that war. I remember once, in a state of pretty good, so to speak, that the Egyptians were all stupid, stubborn, could not do anything and scattered at the first danger.
  4. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 19 November 2018 06: 26
    -6
    The tactics of the ambush battalion proved to be effective. In the afternoon, they hid in the jungle, and at night drove to a prepared position. Only three out of six installations were deployed, which made it possible to launch missiles, quickly curl up and go into the jungle.

    The task of air defense to protect the object from destruction, this is a priority. If enemy bombs did not fall on the guarded object, but no attacking aircraft were shot down, then the task was completed. If air defense systems shot down enemy aircraft, and only firebrands remained from the object, then air defense did not cope with its task. The ambush tactics described above show the inability of North Vietnam's air defense to defend strategically important targets.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 19 November 2018 07: 18
      +1
      No way. Air Force losses are also taken into account when planning air operations, and this tactic was used quite successfully by Soviet air defense during the Arab-Israeli War of Attrition, in repelling the attacks of Hale Avira.
  5. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 19 November 2018 06: 46
    +1
    This was a blow to the Americans, after which they decided to sign an agreement in Paris to end the bombing of Vietnam and the withdrawal of their troops on the terms of the Vietnamese side.

    Another lie, the Linebacker ll operation was the result of the intransigence of the Vietnamese side in the negotiations in Paris. After the Americans rumbled into the ashes of the air defense of North Vietnam and began the systematic destruction of the economy, the Vietnamese delegation turned out to be more accommodating and returned to the negotiating table.
    The Vietnamese really liked these open and brave warriors who, after hard work, could hold concerts and sing their soulful songs about a distant land.

    Unfortunately, neither the USSR nor Russia now have any benefit from this. Vietnam is friends with the United States, trade reaches $ 50 billion, while with Russia only $ 5 billion. Vietnam seems to us not an enemy, but it is difficult to call a friend who does not pay old debts despite the availability of funds for this.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 19 November 2018 07: 21
      +4
      Today, Vietnam is a leader in US investment in Southeast Asia. This is due to the rather large and successful Vietnamese diaspora in the United States. Yes, yes, those whose parents escaped from Saigon in Amer helicopters laughing
      1. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 19 November 2018 07: 40
        +4
        Quote: Krasnodar
        This is due to the rather large and successful Vietnamese diaspora in the United States.

        I think that just the Vietnamese consider themselves winners, and the Americans are not trying to argue with them about this. It helps to step over the past and look to the future.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 19 November 2018 07: 45
          +6
          I think that business people in both countries absolutely do not care for this war))
        2. bober1982
          bober1982 19 November 2018 08: 21
          +14
          Quote: Puncher
          I suppose just the Vietnamese consider themselves winners, and the Americans are not trying to argue with them about this

          The American casualties in Vietnam are more than three thousand aircraft alone, if you do not take puppets and vassals into account. Then who should call themselves those who called themselves Vietnamese?
          1. Hole puncher
            Hole puncher 19 November 2018 11: 42
            0
            Quote: bober1982
            The American casualties in Vietnam are more than three thousand aircraft alone, if you do not take puppets and vassals into account. Then who should call themselves those who called themselves Vietnamese?

            What does the loss have to do with it? The Americans left Vietnam, and North Vietnam captured southern, thereby victoriously ending the war. If the Americans lost twice as much, but seized North Vietnam, then it would have been their victory despite the size of the losses. So losses are not of secondary importance.
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 19 November 2018 11: 45
              +8
              Quote: Puncher
              Americans left Vietnam

              They didn’t leave, but cleaned.
            2. Tarhan
              Tarhan 19 November 2018 19: 28
              +1
              The Americans left Vietnam, and North Vietnam captured southern, thereby victoriously ending the war.

              They talk about the US military defeat. But this is not so. The United States entered South Vietnam to counter the spread of communist ideology, at the request of its government. North Vietnam is a separate state and did not officially participate in the conflict. But massively sent troops who were called partisans of South Vietnam.
              The United States could not and did not want to violate international law by declaring war on North Vietnam, but it was forced to bomb the bases of the North Vietnamese troops, who called themselves partisans of South Vietnam, in North Vietnam itself, in Laos and Cambodia. North Vietnamese troops established their bases in Laos and Cambodia and from there made raids on South Vietnam.

              The US withdrawal from Vietnam is more connected with the mass protest movements in the US itself than with the notorious military "defeat". People in the United States demanded the return of their guys from the jungle, they say, let South Vietnam resist communism itself.

              If the United States wanted to attack North Vietnam with its land army, then within a month Ho Chi Minh's followers would be driven from cities to the jungles of North Vietnam. North Vietnam would fall, but of course the guerrilla war would continue, no matter how long.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 19 November 2018 21: 16
                +2
                Here, the Americans were afraid of a repetition of the Korean scenario - the entry of Chinese "volunteers" into the war immediately after the capture of North Vietnam.
                1. Tarhan
                  Tarhan 20 November 2018 08: 28
                  +3
                  Then the Americans were afraid of repeating the Korean scenario

                  No, you cannot refuse Vietnamese heroism, courage, perseverance. At one time they repelled two campaigns of the Mongolian empire of China. And then, after the United States left, they tackled the invading Chinese troops of Mao, who invaded to punish Vietnam for the overthrow of the Cambodian dictator Pol Pot.

                  AND FURTHER. Vietnam began its war of liberation against colonialism from the 50s of the 20th century. He fought with the French, then the civil war of the North and South, then brutal hostilities with the American army.

                  And in the 50 years, the population of Vietnam was 25 million people. 25 years of war and in 1975 the population of Vietnam amounted to 50 million people !!!
                  War is war, as they say, but "lunch" is on schedule.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 20 November 2018 08: 54
                    +1
                    So no one says that suckers are flying. But Amers, under other circumstances, would have made them. The forces are unequal.
                    1. Tarhan
                      Tarhan 20 November 2018 08: 57
                      +2
                      But Amers, under other circumstances, would have made them.

                      Yes sir. I wrote about this in a previous comment.
              2. icant007
                icant007 20 November 2018 08: 27
                +3
                Quote: Tarkhan
                If the US wanted to attack

                Key phrase. Since the time of the film "17 Moments of Spring" the phrase of the German general "Americans think that the war can be won by air bombing alone" has been known.
              3. Mikhail Matyugin
                Mikhail Matyugin 20 November 2018 11: 38
                0
                Quote: Tarkhan
                The US withdrawal from Vietnam is more connected with the mass protest movements in the US itself than with the notorious military "defeat". People in the United States demanded the return of their guys from the jungle, they say, let South Vietnam resist communism itself.

                If the United States wanted to attack North Vietnam with its land army, then within a month Ho Chi Minh's followers would be driven from cities to the jungles of North Vietnam. North Vietnam would fall, but of course the guerrilla war would continue, no matter how long.

                The problem is that the military industrialists and the US oligarchy simply wanted to continue to wash their grandmothers in the Vietnam war, without leading it "for real" (well, as we do in Chechnya later), and with "limited forces", and if not for public opinion, the war there and in the 90s could still be going on.
              4. ruigat
                ruigat 20 November 2018 18: 21
                0
                Yeah how. I think the Fed owners remembered how their mattress slaves fled from Chinese volunteers during the Korean War. So, the owners of the Fed did not want to repeat these marathons, and therefore they did not use ground forces against North Vietnam.
              5. gsev
                gsev 22 November 2018 02: 58
                +1
                And how would the USSR and the PRC react to this? A few million Chinese volunteers and the United Air Army would not support VNA. After all, only 12 years ago this happened in Korea. In general, the United States achieved everything that they could not get during the war out of this war. Perhaps the protesters in the US against the war realized this before the government.
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 19 November 2018 07: 53
      +4
      Quote: Puncher
      Another lie

      You need to take a break in the comments, often out of place.
      Listen to a song, for example ........my Phantom loses height
    3. Moskovit
      Moskovit 19 November 2018 09: 22
      +10
      Propaganda is propaganda. But in the end, who had to drape from Vietnam? How sad it is for you.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 19 November 2018 09: 45
        0
        Are you talking about me? laughing To me this ... - somehow violet on Amers)) If we talk about those who had to drape from Sinai, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Algeria, etc. - then none of the above was defeated on the battlefield. Politics, public opinion, pressure from the world community, economics, etc. - these are the reasons that prompted Jews, French, Russians and Amers to withdraw troops from these places.
        Quote: Moskovit
        Propaganda is propaganda. But in the end, who had to drape from Vietnam? How sad it is for you.
        1. Moskovit
          Moskovit 19 November 2018 12: 10
          +1
          Yes, not for you, but for the Hole Puncher)
      2. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 19 November 2018 11: 45
        +2
        Quote: Moskovit
        But in the end, who had to drape from Vietnam? How sad it is for you.

        I say, the Vietnamese are the winners, the Americans lost, because their goal for which they laid thousands of souls is not fulfilled. What is the grief?
    4. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 19 November 2018 13: 03
      +7
      Quote: Puncher
      ..... Unfortunately, neither the USSR nor Russia now have any benefit from this. Vietnam is friends with the United States .....

      As if it is not known why this happened. The disaster and counter-revolution of the 1990s nullified socialist projects. As, however, and Nikita tried to destroy the plans of Stalin.
  6. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 19 November 2018 08: 22
    +5
    [/ quote] in the shade of banana palm trees. [quote]

    Bananas do not grow on palm trees. And the article itself is wonderful. To the author - respect.
    1. Katran
      19 November 2018 08: 38
      +7
      I agree with the criticism, the author apparently was mistaken, because not a nerd =)
      "Sometimes a banana is called a banana palm, which is incorrect, since this plant does not belong to the palm family."
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 19 November 2018 08: 48
        +7
        The article is a little inaccurate, of course there were no Su-17s in Vietnam, the article itself is very interesting.
        1. Hole puncher
          Hole puncher 19 November 2018 11: 45
          +3
          Quote: bober1982
          Su-17 in Vietnam, of course, was not

          Apparently confused with MiG17 ...
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 19 November 2018 11: 55
            +1
            Here I agree ....... and the Phantom loses altitude, the MiG-17 did a good job.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 19 November 2018 13: 11
              +3
              Quote: bober1982
              Here I agree ....... and the Phantom loses altitude, the MiG-17 did a good job.

              Greetings, Vladimir! We rarely meet recently. In the comments on this wonderful article I agree with you !!!
      2. Korsar4
        Korsar4 19 November 2018 20: 26
        +2
        Yes. They have their own family.
      3. Slinqshot
        Slinqshot 20 November 2018 19: 49
        +2
        By the way, on the F-4 squadron VF-111 was applied the head of a shark. What does the dragons have to do with it ?!
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 19 November 2018 20: 24
      +4
      And in general, they are grass. But this topic can be developed for a long time. Because many people consider the palm as grass.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 19 November 2018 22: 58
        +2
        That's right. A palm log does not exist, more precisely, you can saw off the trunk of a palm, but there will be no log from it. Grass is grass.
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 19 November 2018 23: 10
          +1
          And Xenophon used in his "Anabasis". And they make rattan furniture.
          1. Slinqshot
            Slinqshot 20 November 2018 19: 27
            +3
            Og, and read how much it starts to crumble
  7. bald
    bald 19 November 2018 08: 32
    +1
    Thanks to the author, very much. Such an article would refresh the memory of the Vietnamese, especially the youth. A similar situation with Japan, when they forget who your enemy was and is.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 19 November 2018 09: 30
      +3
      Given Port Arthur, the GV in Russia, Lake Hassan, Halkin-Gol, Japan had many enemies.
      Yes, China and Korea (the Philippines and Singapore, too) to the Japanese Pts are not breathing evenly. Quite equal to the German Nazis were the “samurai”. In some ways even tougher.
      1. bald
        bald 19 November 2018 10: 04
        +4
        This is so, I mean the states that brought with their bombing, civilians, woe to both states.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 19 November 2018 10: 06
          +1
          I realized that you are talking about the States))
          1. bald
            bald 19 November 2018 10: 09
            +1
            Japan has sins of darkness, you're right, they tortured akin to the Nazis. Just looking at the other side of the coin.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 19 November 2018 10: 55
              +1
              And they tortured, and raped and executed, and even ate (!) The local population. Americans - every war they have is massive bombing of everything. Moreover, they hated the Japanese for Pearl Harbor, while the Germans were treated well before they saw the concentration camps.
    2. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 19 November 2018 11: 47
      +2
      Quote: bald
      forget who your enemy was and is.

      Why are they their enemies? You do not rush at the Germans (I hope) with your fists or at the Turks?
      1. bald
        bald 19 November 2018 11: 56
        +2
        Everything goes in a spiral - peace - friendship - close ties - and a knife in the back (for example, we are with Germany). Of course I don’t rush laughing
  8. bionik
    bionik 19 November 2018 10: 46
    0
    The war in Vietnam. Dance with death
    1. Slinqshot
      Slinqshot 20 November 2018 19: 39
      0
      "Dance with Death", "Winners of Flying Dragons" - how pathetic and idiotic headlines. It seems that almost 100 years ago Ilf and Petrov consumed such creators in their unforgettable Sweaty Shaft of Inspiration. But no, they will not be translated. They are also proud of themselves for sure.
  9. Grigorievich
    Grigorievich 19 November 2018 10: 56
    +6
    He served urgently at that time in the Air Force in Mukachevo, so a new one was formed on the basis of our regiment, and the regiment was sent to Vietnam. Some of the equipment was loaded into the AN12 and even flew to the Crimea, but then returned, the Chinese did not miss (1965) the Chinese part Technicians appropriated. As a result of air battles, the MiG21 began to put guns, the atoms were just rockets. For our 21, two phantoms were lost.
  10. Fitter65
    Fitter65 19 November 2018 12: 47
    +5
    [quote] [The DRV supplied such types of military equipment as ... Su-17 fighter-bombers, / quote]
    I hasten to correct the author - the Su-17 was not delivered to Vietnam. The first Su-17 arrived in Egypt in 1973. Later modifications of the Su-17/22 family, such as the Su-22M3, M4 and sparks, were delivered to Vietnam, but these machines went into series after the end of the American aggression in Vietnam. hi hi
    1. Katran
      19 November 2018 18: 44
      -1
      It may be that Wikipedia is lying? https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/
      Article "Group of Soviet military specialists in Vietnam"
      New batches of weapons, including anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) SA-75 "Dvina", fighters MiG-17 and MiG-21, were transferred to Vietnam fighters-bombers Su-17, IL-28 bombers, IL-14 and Li-2 transport aircraft, medium and small caliber anti-aircraft artillery, detection radar stations, communication technology, etc.
      1. albert
        albert 19 November 2018 22: 23
        +2
        So in the wiki, we are talking about the MiG-17, and not about the Su-17. Take a closer look.
      2. icant007
        icant007 20 November 2018 08: 40
        +2
        The fact that Wikipedia, to put it mildly, is not always accurate, is not a secret. There you always need to check the sources. It happens that a fact is stated and there is a footnote to the source. And the source says the opposite.
        For example, in the specified link to Wikipedia, nothing is written about the use of the ZSU "Shilka".
      3. Fitter65
        Fitter65 20 November 2018 12: 45
        +2
        Quote: Katran
        It may be that Wikipedia is lying? https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/

        Most likely it is. Su-17, and the earlier series without an internal ridge, and with an external aerodynamic ridge of an even reduced height were delivered to Egypt. Most aircraft of these modifications were not delivered abroad. There were no deliveries of this aircraft to Vietnam. In 2005, I ordered a series of models of the Su-17/20/22 family, commissioned by Expocenter KnAAPO, and therefore I had to get to know the history of the creation, production and delivery of aircraft of this family in detail. The site of our aircraft factory has data on almost all Su-17/20/22 aircraft, a modification of the serial number where they were delivered.
      4. Vivan
        Vivan 23 November 2018 02: 13
        0
        I give a guarantee that the Su-17 was NOT delivered to Vietnam. Mig-17 and Mig-21 - yes. And the Su-22 - after the American war.
  11. irazum
    irazum 19 November 2018 12: 50
    +8
    The article is very interesting, a very thick book can be written about this. But only the facts, no conclusions. Although one conclusion can be made: the Vietnamese are not Arabs. First warriors, second traders.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 19 November 2018 21: 21
      +1
      Jordanian Arabs fight beautifully. True, the average command structure of them is “Circassians” - Circassians, Vainakhs, Kabardins, who are born wars.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 19 November 2018 23: 00
        0
        And how did the Jordanians show themselves in the Arab-Israeli wars? Example, plz.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 19 November 2018 23: 06
          +2
          They inflicted equal losses on Israel - for example. If they had a quantitatively equal l / s and more weapons, the Jews would be used now both geographically and politically in a different situation. IMHO.
    2. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 21 November 2018 08: 38
      0
      Quote: irazum
      The article is very interesting, a very thick book can be written about this.

      The article is very weak, many facts are distorted, the author is absolutely not versed in technical issues. No.
  12. bbss
    bbss 19 November 2018 12: 55
    +1
    Events coincided with my urgent service. However, no one from our call came to either Vietnam or Egypt.
  13. Fitter65
    Fitter65 19 November 2018 13: 25
    +2
    According to the author
    In December 1972, while repelling a massive raid on Hanoi, the missile divisions managed to bring down 31 B-52 bombers.

    But we look at the statistics of the US Air Force losses and we see
    Boeing B-52 Stratofortress
    - Air Force: 48 aircraft in the years 1965-1973;
    According to other (official US data) data, the losses amounted to: 31 aircraft, 17 of them shot down in military operations, 1 decommissioned due to military injuries, 11 crashed in flight accidents, 1 decommissioned due to non-combat damage and 1 burned down at the airport in Japan.

    On the first evening on December 18, planes took off from Guam; twenty-nine B-52 triplets took to the skies in just 30 minutes. A few hours later, 42 more B-52 bombers took off from U-Tapao. The targets of the strike were airfields of the DRV aviation in the Hanoi region. The winter monsoon brought dense clouds to the target area. Against the background of clouds, the torches of working anti-aircraft missile engines looked especially beautiful. The crews of the B-52 counted more than 100 launches, and one plane was fired at once by two or three complexes. In this case, the capabilities of electronic warfare to suppress missile control radio channels were sharply reduced. On the first night, only the B-52G from Guam "received" the missile; the crew drove the damaged car in the direction of U-Tapao and parachuted over the territory of Thailand

    On the night of December 18-19, 93 Stratokrepost bombed railway stations and energy facilities in the Hanoi region. This time, the flight crew recorded 150 missile launches. According to American data, the B-52s had no losses, representatives of the DRV reported two bombers shot down that night. About a hundred "strategists" appeared over the Hanoi-Haiphong region the next night. The planes followed the same routes as in the first two raids. The air defense forces did not fail to take advantage of this - the crews of the bombers have already noted more than 200 missile launches, there have been cases of simultaneous launch of 10-15 missiles on one plane. The American pilot's hope that "our" black boxes "would outplay their" black boxes "did not come true. Even according to the US Air Force that night, six B-52s were shot down, and six more were damaged. Interestingly, the Vietnamese chalked up only four aircraft.

    As we see references to 31 aircraft shot down in one raid there is no mention anywhere.
  14. Fisherman
    Fisherman 19 November 2018 14: 12
    0
    Gorgeous article !!! My favorite TV channel "Zvezda", which I watch regularly, 2-3 weeks ago, showed a whole cycle of documentaries about our soldiers fighting heroically outside the USSR and Russia. In one of the programs they showed just about Vietnam.
    PS how did this McCain survive? Lucky him, oh how lucky.
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  15. sivuch
    sivuch 19 November 2018 14: 22
    +6
    This is a very serious topic and, unfortunately, the author has many factual errors. The Su-17 has already been mentioned. The Dvina air defense system is the SA-75, and the S-75 is the Desna. For the magazine Ogonyok, this may not be important, but for a technical publication it is desirable to write accurately. And not 95 launchers were delivered (whoever thinks so, it does not matter what rams are counted by their hooves), but 82 SA-75M air defense systems " Dvina "
    21 TDN SA-75M
    8055 V-750 missiles
    Deliveries of S-75 began only in the year 79.
    Further, Shrike cannot have a warhead weight of 200 kilos in any way - it weighs about the same. Perhaps the memoirist did not know then that it was Standard-AWP, but now the author cannot allow such mistakes - he writes that the rocket weighed 227 kg.
    1. Katran
      19 November 2018 18: 54
      -2
      I agree with you, but as they say correctly: "Don't lie a little, just spoil the story" drinks
  16. jurijsv
    jurijsv 19 November 2018 14: 38
    0
    Great story. It is a pity that the Americans have a short memory, although, as can be seen from today's situation, they clearly want to fight with the wrong hands.
  17. Avior
    Avior 19 November 2018 17: 18
    +4
    The pilot managed to eject, but his parachute-wing landed in the lake, he broke his leg and arms. He was also lucky that the capture group arrived on time, as the peasants could usually score American pilots with American hoes.

    And then the Vietnamese erected a monument in this place and elevated McCain to the rank of national hero.

    And they wept when he died, and carried flowers to the monument and under the American embassy.
    But I wonder if a monument was erected to lieutenant colonel Trushechkin in Vietnam?
    Or just at the grave from relatives?

    Especially considering that
    For a long time, Yuri Trushechkin suffered from cancer, reports Fontanka.Ru.

    The holder of the Order of the Red Star, received for fulfilling his international duty in Vietnam, lived in an old house on the outskirts of Krasnoye Selo near St. Petersburg, where he had not had water and heat for the last days, retired at 10 thousand rubles and died in terrible conditions.

    In the end, after numerous appeals, Matvienko instructed to repair his house, but he did not wait for this. :(
    After entering the reserve, Trushechkin first lived in Riga, and then moved to Russia, where he received no help from the state. He poked around in rented apartments and, according to his wife, lived almost in the basements.

    In the end, in Russia Trushechkin was given a room in a communal apartment. But not as a reserve officer, but as an internally displaced person.

    “I received nothing for my service in the armed forces,” Trushechkin himself says on the surviving video.

    The last years of his life, a veteran huddled in a dilapidated hut in the Leningrad Region and lived in poverty, watching on television the successes of an American pilot, whom he had once shot down.

    Thank the granfather for the victory?:(
    1. irazum
      irazum 19 November 2018 18: 09
      +4
      "We do not abandon our own" ...
      1. Cossack 471
        Cossack 471 19 November 2018 20: 32
        +8
        My division commander, Lieutenant Colonel Yakovlev E.V. He fought in Vietnam and was awarded the Order of the Red Star. He said that if the plane was simultaneously fired by both anti-aircraft missile launchers and anti-aircraft artillery and the plane fell. then both of them wrote it down. Hence such losses for the Americans. In the Union in the divisions there was a secret book "Experience of the war in Vietnam and the Middle East" We read it. it was written almost as a manual for the belligerents. There was also a secret book "Beyond the Boundaries of Our Motherland" of approximately the same content. Someone who wrote comments earlier. wrote that the Americans at the end of the war "rolled out" the air defense of Vietnam. this is not true . The last raid on Hanoi and Haiphong was on December 26, 1972. passive interference (cut foil) lay on the streets in a layer of 15 cm, and nevertheless they failed to destroy the air defense system. In 72-73, it was recognized as the strongest in the world. since only she had such combat experience.
    2. Mikhail Matyugin
      Mikhail Matyugin 20 November 2018 11: 32
      0
      Quote: Avior
      “I received nothing for my service in the armed forces,” Trushechkin himself says on the surviving video.

      The last years of his life, a veteran huddled in a dilapidated hut in the Leningrad Region and lived in poverty, watching on television the successes of an American pilot, whom he had once shot down.

      The terrible fate of the next forgotten hero.
    3. Katran
      20 November 2018 21: 43
      +2
      I know not by hearsay about the attitude towards veterans and combatants. My father, an invalid of the Second World War, died in the regional hospital for veterans, went to "heal" and was left alone with his heart attack, when at night he could not find a single doctor on duty ...

      But here's the mentality of the Vietnamese can be judged by the memories of our SAF:
      "The Vietnamese are filled with self-esteem and they have not accepted to share their sorrows and sorrows with strangers, trying to arouse pity in those. They can only allow this in relation to their family members. Weeping in a vest and complaining about life is more inherent in us than in them. This is partly due to the fact that in Buddhism, showing compassion for a loved one, you take part of his karma, respectively, his former problem becomes yours.
      .......
      Sometimes I feel like a Vietnamese and see us through their eyes, and it seems to me that we are less harmonious than they, we are somehow strange and ungainly. We live in an atmosphere of constant conflicts, our ambitions, in our own greatness and imaginary significance, and we cease to see the abstract labels of living people, it seems to me that they are more tolerant of alien opinions and human diversity of worldviews. From the experience of traveling around the world, I can say that Vietnam is almost the only country where we are still loved by Russians (Russians).
  18. samosad
    samosad 20 November 2018 07: 23
    +1
    Read M. Kosarev ... "Cardboard stars". Stunned ...!
    1. Katran
      24 November 2018 19: 42
      0
      It says: "Monuments are erected not to those who fought, but to those who start wars."
  19. vindigo
    vindigo 24 November 2018 14: 03
    0
    I heard that the Vietnamese say: "It would be better if the Americans defeated us then."
    1. samosad
      samosad 22 November 2020 08: 29
      0
      Yes, right now, too, a lot of things say "officers' daughters" ... and now what?